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fflutterby
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I took my first dose of Suprax just now. I am going to be taking Biaxin twice daily also. Should I take the Biaxin now also. Or just go slowly and wait for a reaction from the Suprax. My Dr. told me I should not herx because I went through that already in Sept.

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anyone ?

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Hey there - I never took this combo but I know you'll be okay. Although I can't help with your question, just wanted to send some support your way.
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Thank Geo, I can always count on you. [Smile]

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" . . . should not herx because I went through that already in Sept. . . ."

Uh. ?

A herx reaction can happen at any time and it can be ongoing for months or even years. As long as spirochetes are being killed off, there can be a herx reaction.

Fear of a herx is never an excuse to avoid treatment, although it is a might consideration so that we can fully PREPARE with good liver support, antioxidants, and a good schedule for self-care.

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It helps to understand the "Herx" process and what we can do about it.
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http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/101262

Topic: What does a herx feel like?

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"Herx 101" (my attempt at making sense of it)
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Lyme is caused by the gram-negative bacteria, BORRELIA b. - that is what is known as a SPIROCHETE, a cork-screw shaped bacteria that can sort of spring where ever it wants, not needed the blood stream for transport.

Spirochetes are particularly rough bacteria and they can take many forms to evade detection and resist treatment.

When spirochetes get irritated they emit toxins. To begin with, Borrelia b. is a very toxic infection. But irritate it and it spews forth even more toxic junk into our bodies.

So, our bodies are loaded with toxins and our liver and kidneys are overwhelmed. One reason why LIVER SUPPORT is vital to treatment.

To spirochetes, irritation to them can be nearly anything. It can be strong medicine, too much activity, too much heat, too much noise or light, etc.

That is why lyme patients feel so awful so much of the time. Even a little vibration will irritate spirochetes. Too much heat, too much movement.

Still the herxheimer reaction - from "chemical assault" (even if from a strong herb) - is very real.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheimer_reaction

Herxheimer reaction

The Herxheimer reaction (also known as Jarisch-Herxheimer or Herx) occurs when large quantities of toxins are released into the body as bacteria (typically Spirochetal bacteria) die, due to antibiotic treatment or rapid detoxification.

Typically the death of these bacteria and the associated release of endotoxins occurs faster than the body can remove the toxins via the natural detoxification process performed by the kidneys and liver.

It is manifested by fever, chills, headache, myalgia (muscle pain), and exacerbation of skin lesions.

Duration in syphilis is normally only a few hours but can be much longer, up to months or years, for other diseases, especially Lyme Disease.

The intensity of the reaction reflects the intensity of inflammation present.

The Herxheimer reaction has shown an increase in inflammatory cytokines during the period of exacerbation, including tumor necrosis factor alpha, interleukin-6 and interleukin-8.[1][2]

The reaction is also seen in other diseases, such as borreliosis (Lyme disease[3][4] and tick-borne relapsing fever[5]), bartonellosis, brucellosis, typhoid fever, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, and trichinellosis, Q fever, and cat scratch disease.[6][7]

. . . much more at link above.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search for Medical Abstracts:

Herxheimer Reaction - 233 abstracts

Especially note herxheimer abtracts with Leptospirosis, another spirochetal infection.

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A "herx" can also be connected to liver stress, in general. But it may not always be, technically, a herx.

Often, we call just feeling horribly icky a herx. Lyme - and lyme treatment - can be a rough ride. Not all of that is a herx and sometimes the term is overused but, in the end, liver support often helps make treatment easier and safer.


If the liver is overwhelmed, and then asked to outperform - handling too many chemicals or faced with too much exercise - it can't process out the toxins and there is a backwash, so to speak. Technically, that may not be called a herx (or it may be) but it's a toxic reaction, all the same.

More specifically, a "herx" can also be connected to porphyria, just one kind of liver stress resulting in a toxic level of elevated porphyrins. There are at least eleven kinds. More about how at least one kind is seen frequently with lyme patients:
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http://drsusanmarra.com/LymeDisease/HerxheimerReactionHerx.aspx

Herxheimer Reaction (Herx)

a LL NDs explanation and suggestions for what can help
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From GiGI, who reminds us not to let the title fool us. This is totally with the lyme patient in mind:
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http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/images/stories/powerpoints/autism%20protocol%2009.pdf?chakra_shop=091fbfd82767a7016c134abeaf0114a2

FOUNDATIONAL PROTOCOL for AUTISTIC SPECTRUM DISORDERS

DK, MD,PhD, et. al. through www.Thriiive.com Summit and Think Tank

147 pages - September 2009

Special thanks for their contribtion to Amy Derksen ND,
Anju Usman MD and Catherine Tamaro

p. 3: mitochondrial dysfunction

p. 7: No fluorescent lights or compact energy efficient lights (they are linked to neurological disorders and contain mercury).

Light at night: battery operated red light in bedroom does not harm melatonin production in the brain

p. 14 Decrease Visual Sensory Overload . . . use incandescent light

p. 16: TV/DVD/computer: less than 1 hr/day. Turn down contrast and sound.

p. 17: Classical music, listen with intent. Avoid most other music.

p. 18: Body: *dental issue and suggestions

Find a biological dentist

Read booklet: A.C. Fonder Dental Distress Syndrome (link at bottom of page)

p. 20: suggests Doctors Data Lab for metals testing

note: hand writing at tops instructs patient:
(two words ineligible), Detoxamin (250 mg). chlorella, NO Cilantro.

p. 21 Austic children fail to excrete mercury

p. 22 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20222982

Mercury induces inflammatory mediated release from human mast cells - J Neuroinflammation. 2010 Mar 11;7 (1):20.

Abstract

BACKGROUND: Mercury is known to be neurotoxic, but its effects on the immune system are less well known. Mast cells are involved in allergic reactions, but also in innate and acquired immunity, as well as in inflammation. Many patients with Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD) have "allergic" symptoms; moreover, the prevalence of ASD in patients with mastocytosis, characterized by numerous hyperactive mast cells in most tissues, is 10-fold higher than the general population suggesting mast cell involvement. We, therefore, investigated the effect of mercuric chloride (HgCl2) on human mast cell activation.

p. 23 CONCLUSIONS: HgCl2 stimulates VEGF and IL-6 release from human mast cells. This phenomenon could disrupt the blood-brain-barrier and permit brain inflammation. As a result, the findings of the present study provide a biological mechanism for how low levels of mercury may contribute to ASD pathogenesis.

p. 27: Myelin sheath binds heavy metals

p. 28; p. 30 Detox

computers offgas
(two notes on cadmium: traffic and even organic grains)

p. 32 Detox: reducing toxic burden from vaccine adjuvants

Never give Tylenol . . . (it reduces glutathione production and makes thimerosal more difficult to clear from the body) . . .

many other key points for vaccines

links: www.mercola.com & www.THRiiiVE.com

p. 34 starts:

Foundational Vit K Protocol Toxin Binding Agents (aka Vit K Protocol)

p. 36 & 37 - Rehydration Cocktail recipe

p. 38 - 39 Electrolyte recipes

p. 40 Magnesium

p. 41 Phosphorus

p. 42 ATP

p. 43 Vitamin D3

p. 44 Vitamin K2

(see seizure association with phosphorus & B-6

p. 54 Optimal Foundational Support

p. 62 LED Health Light

p. 64 67 Tonsils

p. 68 Exit Routes (Kidneys; Liver/Gallbladder; Skin; Colon)

p. 69 Starts Toxin Elimination

p. 76 Supporting the Kidneys

p. 77 Liver support

p. 78 Natural Anti-inflammatories

p. 80 - 82 General Detox Support

p. 88 - 97 Microbes and Biofilm

p. 98 - 99 Parasites

p. 100 Lyme disease

p. 101 Typical Co-infections - & Typical opportunistic infections

Rash Photos and discussion in following pages

p. 111 - 112 Dr. Ks Lyme Cocktail

p. 113 Minerals needed

p. 114 - 115 Viruses

p. 116 - 118 LDM-100 (Lomatium dissectum) tincture

p. 119 Clinical Signs of Chronic EBV (mono)

note: mushroom extracts, propolis, artemisinin

p. 121- 122 Mold/Yeast

p. 123 Exciting new treatments

p. 124 - 127 Herx Support

p. 131 Repair

p. 132 Maintenance

p. 133 134 RESOURCES - (1.) Core Products (BioPure)

p. 135 136 (2.) Specific supplements (which are often necessary)

p. 137 138 (3.) Resourses: other often indicated products

p. 139 (4.) Resources: specific homeopathic /herbal preparations

p. 140 (5.) Resources: products available by prescription only

p. 141 Other resources

p. 142 Links
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of the way down page one, there are lots of LIVER LINKS and articles that explain HOW THE LIVER WORKS so that we have a better idea of what a herx is all about:
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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=065801

Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS
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I am detoxing. I do epsom, baking soda & fresh ginger baths. I take alpha lipoic acid, I am on the Core, I drink plenty of green tea. I am taking a good chlorella. I am taking Milk thistle for liver support.

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what is alpha lipoic acid..havent heard that one yet, nor milk thistle...where is the best place to get those and how much do you take? I take chlorella, do espon baths and drink green tea Decaf....thanx

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Diagnosed with chronic neuro lyme 12/10 after 30 years of vertigo.2 tick bites in 3 yrs from upstate NY. Was on omincef for nine mths..zith and rifampin stopped.Remission~ All the pain and symptoms are back and I am not treating now with biaxin.

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Read page 28 for info on the alpha lipoic acid

http://researchednutritionals.com/FactSheets/Burrascano%27s%20Advanced%20Topics%20in%20Lyme%20Disease%20_12_17_08.pdf

Read page 31 re: the Milk Thistle.

I would read the entire document. There is lotsa great advise in there.

I get my supps from Swanson. Price wise they are good. You can call and they offer great product support.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SW982/ItemDetail?cm_vc=id-sidebar-save&cs=NWF019

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As a rule, I never start two things at one time. Just me. Even if told to start them together, or to start at large doses. I always start slowly, then work my way to the desired dose. And, I would wait a week before adding anything new to your protocol.
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