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SScott
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I have been treating Bart sucessfully with Rifmapin for 5 months. I have nausea and gas/loose stool and weight loss with the Rifam, but it really keeps Bart in check.

I recently took a 3 week break to do a parasite protocol. I felt amazing without all the nasty side effects of Rifampin...then I crashed with Bart symptoms again (anxiety, lack of focus, confusion).

I can't take Leviquin or any quinalones due to tendonopathy. Any other abx that treats Bart? Maybe an Abx along with A-Bart or something? Thanks. Scott

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Scott,

Staying on the parasite protocol for at least 6 mos, or until symptom free is VERY important. Thirty days is never enough.

The symptoms you describe sound like you could be herxing from the parasites, and are parasite symptoms. Google parasite symptoms.

Parasites lay thousands of eggs and the cycle will continue if you don't get rid of all of the larva and eggs. I got rid of my Bart with antiparasitics and salt/c.

Do research on parasites and check Hulda Clark info.

Gael

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The rifampin makes my heart pound. I have been on it over two months. I wounder if the pounding is a herx or side effect, so I just push through. I am tired of it and re

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what do you all take against the parasites?

is it prescription only?

thanks!

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Gael, thanks. I've been treating parasites herbally for about 3 months and feel it has somewhat successful. However, I wanted to try something different, so I stopped Rifam to do a pharma treatment - Biltricide/Albenza/etc, and didn't feel my liver could handle both.

I have noticed significant success with this, however, the Bart-like symptoms were very scary. So I ran back to rifam and am back to herbal parasite treatment. I'm wanting to go back to the pharma treatmetn for parasites, but I'm too scared to do so withouth at least covering Bart to some degree.

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FFluterby, I am also taking Bactrim DS. My LLMD believes to go after Bart hard, with Bactrim providing secondary coverage. I have read that Gentamicin (sp?) may also cover Bart? I'm thinking Bactrim, Gentamicin, and maybe A-Bart and see what happens. I really want to get off Rifam. I have a consult with my LLMD next week and will see what she says.
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I'm not sure if this is right or not, but I thought I read somewhere that once you go off rafampin, you should not go back on. You should also not pulse it.

I am working on Bart also and of the three infections (Lyme, Babs, and Bart), it is my worst one. I had been on Rifampin for about 11 months; it took me probably about half of that time to get up to the proper doseage.

Also, not trying to scare anyone, but I just had a bloodwork scare with a very sudden and low platelet count (46) and was taken off the Rifampin (Azithromycin too). My second bloodtest shows the platelets at 61, which is good that they are coming back up, but still low.

My doctors believe the cause was because of the rifampin, but took me off everything for now. I also started taking ABart about a month ago, but stopped when I started getting rashes and bruises, then I guess about a week later had bloodwork that showed the sudden drop in platelets.

The literture does say that Rifampin can cause platelet counts to go down, so please just be aware and if you start getting any rashes and bruising, get a platelet count right away.

It is not something to put off and is very serious.

Once my platelets are back to normal, I will be trying the ABart again as it seemed to be working very well for the short time I was on it.

Bart is really frustrating to deal with so I do understand what you are going through. Good Luck and hope you start feeling better soon.

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flutterby-Rifampin makes my heart pound also, but for me its a herx because I've always had this. It also makes my veins throb and I feel a pulsating in my body. Again, this is Bart for me.

rks-thanks for the info. I get monthly lab work but strangely rifampin has actually taken away the bruises I was getting constantly out of nowhere...

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SScott-there is also Cumanda, a herb used for bartonella treatment. I have not used it but will be considering it.

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Hey Jamers - funny how different meds work on different people, eh! I am questioning the A-Bart too though, but docs think it's the Rifampin, so time will tell!

I hope it isn't the A-Bart though. I really want to try it again once I can.

Hope you got through Hurricane Irene ok. I guess being online is a good sign that you did.

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