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LBS
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My LLMD says it is typical for Borrelia patients to gain weight.

How?

In the past month, having gone sugar and gluten free, I have lost 10 lbs.

I am trying to keep the weight ON!

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Yes, the sugar-free and grain-free diet caused me to lose a little weight also. A friend of mine lost a lot of weight that way.

I think those who gain weight with lyme (about 80% of lyme patients) are gaining it before going on this diet. They just lay in bed and that is what causes the weight gain.

Those who suffer with lots of nausea and gastrointestinal problems will also lose weight when they have lyme and during treatment. These folks can get dangerously thin.

Just know that you really are in the minority. A few others on here had the same problem, though. I know you don't want to get too thin. You will have to eat a lot of high calorie or high fat foods like meats, avocados, nuts, etc.

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hi there...i concur with tf that those of us with gi lyme lose lots of weight. i have actually been eating a bit more the past few weeks and today i weighed in at 85 pounds a5 5 feet 3 inches tall. my health is at risk just form this weight loss.
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i dont know why four post came out of that-im so sorry!!
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Chastain, it happens when you multiple click your post to send it. You can delete the extras by clicking on the pencil icon, then click the delete box.
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thanks robin!
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My doctor said that weight issues and Lyme are another part of the body that can be deregulated. He named a big word that he said until Lyme is in remission, I won't lose weight. He mentioned he wished he had money for a study to prove it.

He said it was too expensive to test for and that it will correct itself when the infection is in control.

Wish I could explain it better. The conversation came after I strictly dieted this summer and cut out everything and lost 2 pounds barely.

I don't sit on the couch. I work full time, shop, cook and walk the dog. Today is Halloween and I am sugar free.

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That's good to know ktkdommer, I have gained so much wt. My first 30 lbs came on with little change in my routine, or eating habits.

I was unable to do my aerobic tape, but I was very active at my job.

The rest has come on slowly over the last three years. About 90 lbs total.

It's so uncomfortable, I wish there was a way to get it off. I've tried many things as well.

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Check it out - http://www.personalconsult.com/articles/obesityandbartonella.html

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For some, early weight loss is followed later by gain - for seemingly no apparent reason (as many maintain a healthful diet).

This book & site explain why lyme, and Cpn, caused serious weight gain in some patients and how, once the infection(s) were addressed, it just seemed to nearly fall off.

One of the important points, though, is that even thin people can have fatty veins (a sort of "interior obesity"), so this book is for everyone, not just those carrying more weight for the endocrine system is directly tied to weight - either direction.

ADDISON'S usually causes extreme loss (but it can also cause gain, though most doctors are not aware of that switch).

ADDISON's is an endocrine condition that can be separate from but also caused by lyme. Either way, it would need to be addressed.

Site below explain more about that:

Site: http://www.potbellysyndrome.com/

The Potbelly Syndrome: How Common Germs Cause Obesity, Diabetes, and Heart Disease.

Book link, you can look inside the book and read readers' reviews here:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/159120058x/ref=nosim/httpwwwpotbel-20

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The authors above show HOW that can happen but - other than the obvious "treat the infections" advice which is vital - don't detail the range of support techniques for the adrenals along the way.

While not a LL doctor and not discussing lyme (but does acknowledge infections as stress), THIS author offers great advice that can benefit those with lyme.

While it's a great resource for herbal and nutritional supplements, it's not just about what supplements can help, or about low dose Cortef (hydrocortisone), but also about some self-care, habits, and such that some of us may never think about as being so important:

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/

Website: Adrenal Fatigue - James L. Wilson, DC, ND, PhD

His book link:

http://www.adrenalfatigue.org/adrenal-fatigue-the-21st-century-stress-syndrome-book

Amazon link where you can look inside the book and read 146 reader reviews, who rate this a 4.5 out of 5:

http://www.amazon.com/Adrenal-Fatigue-Century-Stress-Syndrome/dp/1890572152/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320162262&sr=1-1


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/89790

Topic: NATURAL SLEEP & ADRENAL SUPPORT

Many other links here.

In addition to adrenal support to help reduce elevated cortisol, inflammation control would be another avenue, too to address weight gain.

One of the best is curcumin. Those with gallbladder issues might need to use the weaker turmeric, itself and not the stronger extract which is curcumin. Magnesium also helps address inflammation.

Mitochondrial support, too. That can help the heart, so that we can better enjoy moving about, even if in a measured pace.

Also one of the huge reasons for weight gain is the tendency to want to run like the wind when we can - or push punishingly hard even when we can't.

I ruined my body trying that and was bed ridden for a year. Could not do a thing. So, aerobics can cause weight gain if they ground you.

Aerobics are not allowed during illness (due to mitochondrial, cardiac, liver, adrenal and brain tissue stress, etc.) but many other great ways to move are and they can help achieve strength, balance.

Light Weight Training can help the muscles. Also good to add to that: Tai Chi, Qi Gong, Pilates, Yoga, Gentle water exercises, Walking. If up to it, slow biking. Avoid over exertion that results in "payback" or set backs.

A habit of dancing when the mood strikes, just move to the radio - but this is not Dancing With the Stars. Just enjoy a bit of movement often during the day, where ever you are, even if in a chair, wiggle that butt to some tunes.

A rebounder (mini trampoline) is excellent for lymph movement -- but, again, this is not a competition and try to resist the urge to bounce sky high. Without feet even leaving the mat, just gently bouncing is good.

For those who are bed bound, massage therapy may be needed to get the lymph tissue and all body tissue moved around. Massage would be great for everyone, really.

Those with vestibular issues (inner, middle ear) face more challenge as even moving the head can be hard. Massage is especially helpful here but when exercising, try to keep the head stable and focus on on a tree or plant, etc.

A GLUTEN FREE diet also helped a lot to reduce inflammation and puffy weight. Many LLMDs want their patients to be gluten free as they see many benefits from that. But that's another whole set of threads, too.
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LBS,

you said you are gluten free. Might there be a chance that, somehow, that is sneaking in? - it can even be in lipsticks, lip balms, etc.

There are several different links that offer surprising detail. Just Google search:

"Hidden Sources of Gluten"

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And Parasites are also to be considered. They can cause severe loss - or gain.
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(((( keebler))))) thanks for your insights.
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In the begining I gained weight but when My borrelia was activated FULLY AWOKE from head to toe as I got babesia and bart activated too , I started loosing weight and was scary .Than over the treatment I start gaining.When I relapsed from the car accident I start loosing weight again as My lyme and BABS was again activated and back on antibiotics I start gaining it and gained more .

Loosing weight is very dangerous and both times that I lost weight I was fighting for my life.

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http://icmr.nic.in/ijmr/2006/august/0804.pdf

THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROTEIN & AMINO ACID DURING ACUTE & CHRONIC INFECTIONS

Indian J Med Res 124, August 2006, pp 129-148

- by Anura V. Kurpad

Fifteen pages of text.

Excerpt from abstract on page one:

. . . In general, the amount of extra protein that would appear to be needed is of the order of 20-25 per cent of the recommended intake, for most infections. . . .

[note: see what author states about lysine supplementation appearing to help immune function.]
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There are a lot of reasons why lyme can cause weight gain or weight loss for some people. When you are sick like that...especially for a long time other body systems can become out of balance. Organs, glands, hormones etc etc. So there could be a number of reasons for weight gain or weight loss aside from diet or exercise.

Medications can also cause weight gain or weight loss so the medications people are on for lyme could also be contributing to weight fluctuations as well...including antibiotics.

Anyhow, just wanted to throw that thought out there as well.

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everyone is different...

it is very hard for those who lose with lyme to understand that it's possible to gain with lyme.

post like these always make me sad.

those of us gaining from this disease shouldn't have to read that we just don't exercise enough and aren't on the proper diet [Frown]

like keebler said, i just don't talk about it with family and friends anymore, because they don't get it, and neither do the people here who are fortunate to lose weight from this illness rather than gain.

i have enough to deal with from lyme and co-infections, and it makes it so much harder having people speculate about my weight gain on top of it.

i know nobody is talking about me specifically, but comments in here are still really hurtful and it's hard for me to not take them to heart.

i used to be able to lose weight like crazy on a low carb gluten free diet... but one day my body completely reversed on me. to those who believe it's not possible, you just might find yourselves in my shoes one day, and realize how unbelievable frustrating it is [Frown]

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My LLMD says there are many reasons.. everyone has hit on inactivity, but inflammation is what my LLMD says is a big one.

Also, many of us can't absorb foods, so malabsorption plays a role. If eating anything, which is my problem a lot of the time is an issue, smoothies, greens or protein drinks sometimes can be absorbed better.

I lost a lot of weight (Over 100lbs) using the hcg protocol. You would have to google it and I did the RX sublingual. My LLMD says it is fine to use this diet and it is the only way I can maintain my weight. I cycle on and off.

Finally, what works for me is the Geno type diet when I am off hcg, which is the next generation blood type diet. Read about it at dadamo.com

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Ahh, weight gain. During my first two years trying to figure out what was wrong with me, I gained 20 pounds. I had gone to 10? specialists and by the end of those two years, a pulmonologist said it was the added weight that was causing my problems. Strange, how could my symptoms appear prior to gaining weight and then be caused by some future weight gain? Boy, was he an idiot!

Weight gain due to these infections is very resistant to diet and exercise. Same goes with weight loss.

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Food allergies need to be considered too. When I eat corn chips, I tend to bloat and get tired. I only recently figured this out.
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I have a close friend who is very large and she recently used a lot of binders, and a seaweed wrap and lost 13 lbs. She thinks that her body takes on water to help fight toxins..she was exposed to strong pesticides when in the army. Her theory is that the water is there to protect her cells from toxins. As she is using binders to take the toxins out she is now able to lose weight. Food for thought.

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I assume most of us are clear of additives (which can cause bloating and addiction of junk foods) but, just to be sure:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=029690;p=0

Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors

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Chemicals & Scented products can also contribute to inflammation & endocrine dysfunction that can cause weight gain:

http://www.ewg.org/

Environmental Working Group
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Regarding exercise safety, Burrascano's guidelines included here:
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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=077325;p=0#000000

Topic: To everyone with CARDIAC symptoms please read!

Includes articles & discussion about exercise safety & methods

Exercise Intolerance explained

MITOCHONDRIA, MYELIN & ADRENAL SUPPORT - and how these can help in various ways
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EMLA (emla999/Lyme) just posted at another thread - 27 December, 2012:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/121973?

Topic: A bacteria to blame for causing obesity

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Chinese research proves bacteria to blame for causing obesity


http://www.chinadailyapac.com/article/chinese-research-proves-bacteria-blame-causing-obesity


http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/19/landmark-chinese-study-intestinal-bacteria-control-obesity/


http://www.nature.com/ismej/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ismej2012153a.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23235292
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I have found, by happenstance, that BERBERINE and GREEN TEA seems to be helping weight nearly lift from my body. Only two changes I've recently made.

I still maintain excellent food habits but, with lyme, that mattered not regarding no apparent reason for my gaining weight gain from this insidious & complex illness.

Still, I remain gluten free (always will, due to the celiac gene), no processed foods, no "simple" carb whatsoever, no GMO and mostly organic -- and I think all that matters for a couple reasons - so my body doesn't get clobbered.

Still important to consume good protein, complex carbs and good fatty acids.

I am severely exercise intolerant (as are some with lyme and nervous system damage) so, other than Qi Gong as usual, the weight loss cannot be attributed to any increase in exercise. It is just not an option in my case, at this time.


Still, for what it's worth, as a helper in various ways - mostly I find it helps reduce inflammation, thereby reducing my state of puffed-ness but that also helps in other ways:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=121034;p=0

BERBERINE – LINKS SET


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/32152#000000

GREEN TEA - LINKS SET
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Keebler, I think often questions get lost when you post so many long posts one right after the other.
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I'm unhappily adding my name to the weight gain group.

20 lbs in six months.

I eat mainly low carb vegetaable based foods, aside from a half cup of oatmeal I have been having in the morning, mixed with whey powder.

I'm a firm believer weight gain is caused by inflammation, msg and food additives, and also by toxins being stored in fat/sluggish lymph.

(Obviously by overeating also, but I don't think many on this board do that, given that our pill schedule is so regimented)

So I am trying dry brushing, coffee enemas, berberine and extra sleep to see if I can reduce the toxins and the inflammation and lose some fat pounds.

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I tend to agree with you, Greta. In my experience, diet and exercise , or lack of it, are only partly responsible for weight gain in this illness.

Hormonal imbalances, inflammation, candida, food intolerances caused by the infections and the yeasts, possibly also heavy metals and other chemical pollutants the body is holding on to........all these affect weight.

I do not agree that Lyme stomach/GI issues always lead to weight loss: I have many GI issues from lyme, but am two dress sizes bigger, despite my best efforts.

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http://www.salon.com/2013/10/24/study_your_great_grandparents_exposure_to_ddt_could_be_making_you_fat/


Study: Your great-grandparent’s exposure to DDT could be making you fat

The pesticide's gene-altering effects can be passed down three generations, researchers found

-by Lindsay Abrams - Salon.com - Oct. 24, 2013

Americans born after 1972 have been fortunate enough to grow up in a DDT-free world, for the most part spared exposure to the potentially cancer-causing pesticide. But as the Environmental Protection Agency acknowledges, DDT is difficult to eliminate entirely, both from the environment and from the bodies of those exposed to it. So it’s very possible that we’re still seeing its toxic effects today — and according to new research, it could be one of the factors contributing to the current high rates of obesity. . . .

- full article at lnk above.

And Salon's link to the Los Angeles Times:

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-obesity-ddt-ancestors-pesticides-20131023,0,6712051.story#axzz2idrmuau5

Ancestors' exposure to DDT may contribute to obesity, study says

- By Tony Barboza - October 23, 2013

Exposure to the pesticide DDT could be playing a role in high rates of obesity three generations later, a new study says. . . .

- full article at link above
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Other chemical / endocrine disruptors that can contribute to hormonal issues (including weight gain) are discussed here:

http://www.ewg.org/

Environmental Working Group
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This is an older thread, but I wanted to thank everyone here for these great posts.

One of my first symptoms of active Lyme (upon reflection), was 2.5 years ago after I was healing from mono and I gained 20 lbs in a month, 3-4lbs a week with severe afternoon nausea/flu-like symptoms.

After ruling out the obvious (small human), my doctors kind of shrugged and ignored it and said I should watch what I eat.

To gain that much that fast I would have had to eat an additional 12,000 calories per week. I think I would have noticed that!

Since then, another 20lbs have piled on, even with increased activity (biking) and cleaning up my diet.

I've since stopped biking because of exhaustion, and luckily the weight has stabilized. Fingers crossed it comes off soon, because my knees can't take it!

These diseases are so frustrating and weird. Thanks for all the support.

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paleogal,

next post for you, too, on exercise intolerance

Glad some detail here helps. Remember that weight is often not at all what - or why - we think. So often, it's inflammation and all the other things mentioned above.

That weight gain could happen even with biking and good diet - and that it causes exhaustion really does point to this not "being your fault" so be sure to resist that notion.

Adrenal issues are very likely and other things that the Potbelly Book may point out (although those authors don't offer many helpers beyond, that's where a good LL ND may be of specific help in identifying . . . oh, stuff. My hands are just screaming to stop and brain is done, too.

Be sure infection(s) are assertively, directly addressed, of course. For many, this is something that slips due to lack of access to LLMD or LL ND / treatment. Somehow, the infection(s) must be dealt with head-on, and consistently.

Hope you have some sunny days and cool evenings ahead.
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As aerobic exercise can be damaging for those with chronic stealth infection (and it's advised to be avoided by those with lyme), still, movement and strengthening is very important -- yet, it's important to also note that . . . .

For some, due to tendon, joint or tissue issues, lifting even light weights - grasping anything - may be not just impossible but damaging.

For some, too, a severe exercise intolerance may be involved. For those folks, some explanations, support ideas and what can help:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/115275

Topic: post exertional malaise & Exercise Intolerance


something like Qi Gong or Tai Chi . . . or gentle Pilates can be very helpful as good non-aerobic movement, each with a variety of major benefits. Expert advice not just from someone trained in a method but also someone who is very lyme literate. If they do not know about lyme, they may advise dangerous actions (that is, for someone with lyme / TBD).


http://life.gaiam.com/article/more-studies-confirm-tai-chi-and-qigong-heal-and-prevent-disease

Studies confirm benefits of Qigong

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=QiGong

PubMed Medical Literature search for

Qigong - 440 abstracts

QiGong, circulation - 13 "

QiGong, cardiac - 41 abstracts

QiGong, brain - 31 "

QiGong, pain - 75 abstracts

QiGong, strength - 18 "

QiGong, balance - 18 "

QiGong, lungs - 8 abstracts

QiGong, mood - 40 abstracts
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you have gotten a lot of answers here and I cannot read them really, but I thought I would add my 2 cents.

I hadtick disease/lyme for very long time untreated. I had a fight with my weight off and on through at least 10 years, but never lost enough to feel thin or look the way I wanted . I didn't know I had lyme at this poiont. I could still do pretty much everything. I used to run and that helped me maintain.

after I had my 3rd child - the prgnancy when I got my bullseye rash- it became even harder to lose weight.

I used to work out allthe time and nothing came off. all this while I had been pretty much off wheat and my allergies were getting much worse so I was allergic to most foods and I still couldnt lose.

one week , it seemed, years after that last child birth I gained about 20 pounds in that week. ok, maybe it was like a gain over 2-4 weeks, but it was fast. at the same time I was eating less. even my husband commented that he noticed. I would be full after about 1/2 cup of food per meal. I didn't know at the time, but I had chronic gastroparesis.

my hair had also been falling out. all my bloodwork was always normal when I went to the endocrinologists, etc. but I knew it was a thyroid problem, I just knoew it.

about 2 years after that weight gain is when I found out I had lyme and the other stuff. the only time I lost weight is when I went on doxy and got gastritis. then I lost 30 pounds from being in so much pain and could only eat like acup of feed a day. I felt like crap but looked great.

well, sorry, this has turned into a long story...what I am getting at is that it messes up your thyroid. I also had gastroparesis from my lyme, and irritable bowel. some people with IBS have constant diarriaha , like my mom, and cannot gain any wiehgt.

she eats like a truck driver to maintain and is doing better now that she let all her fats phobias go- like eating butter, fatty meat, avocados, etc....

I hope you find answers soon

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Endocrine Disruptors and weight issues:

http://tinyurl.com/oelefzr

Contaminating Our Bodies With Everyday Products

- By Nicholas Kristof - The New York Times, Sunday Review - Nov. 28, 2015

Excerpts:

. . . virtually every pregnant woman in America has at least 43 different chemical contaminants in her body. . . .

. . . “Emerging evidence ties endocrine-disrupting chemical exposure to two of the biggest public health threats facing society — diabetes and obesity,” the Endocrine Society said in announcing its 150-page “scientific statement.” It added that “mounting evidence” also ties endocrine disrupters to . . . .

. . . Of the 80,000 or more chemicals in global commerce today, only a tiny share have been rigorously screened for safety. Even when a substance is retired because of health concerns, the replacement chemical may be just as bad. . . .

. . . The chemical lobby spent the equivalent of $121,000 per member of Congress last year, so expect chemical companies to enjoy strong quarterly profits, more boys to be born with hypospadias and more women to die unnecessarily of breast cancer. . . .

. . . For now, experts say the best approach is for people to try to protect themselves. . . . try to eat organic, reduce the use of plastics, touch cash register receipts as little as possible, try to avoid flame-retardant couches and consult the consumer guides at www.ewg.org [Environmental Working Group] . . . .

[Full article at link above.]
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http://www.salon.com/2015/12/21/air_pollution_partner/

Could air pollution contribute to the obesity epidemic?

Dirty air is thought to cause a number of negative reactions in the body, including metabolic disorders

by Janet Allon - Alternet - Dec 21, 2015
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Be careful with INSECT REPELLENTS & SUNSCREENS, too, as some of them can be very toxic to our bodies. Sometimes, weight gain is the least of our worries with these chemicals. There are safer choices.

http://www.ewg.org/

Environmental Working Group

- check ingredient safety on all kinds of personal care and household products
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Does anyone have an insatiable appetite? I'm always hungry. Always. I stay pretty hydrated, too.
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Are you getting enough fat in your diet? See "The Big Fat Surprise" book and YouTube lectures by NINA TEICHOLZ.

Too many starchy veggies or fruits can also create insatiable hunger. See posts added below on 7-24-18 for detail about LCHF, Low Carb High Fat way of eating. No hunger involved. Really.
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I know this link is long yet it does not seem to take the post "wide" so that's good. I don't like to use the Tiny URLs because, so often, they just don't last. For some reason, they often seem to "expire" and then the connection is lost.


www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/for-half-her-life-doctors-told-her-to-lose-weight-but-something-else-was-going-on/2016/05/16/f8afdec2-f8da-11e5-8b23-538270a1ca31_sto ry.html?tid=pm_pop_bhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2015/02/mystery0828.jpg

For half her life, doctors told her to lose weight. But something else was going on.

By Sandra G. Boodman - The Washington Post - May 16, 2016
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Alisa Vitti's work on using diet to heal PCOS and other hormonal problems is great:
https://www.floliving.com/

The book Woman Code is what I know about her stuff...I haven't followed her lately, but it looks like she has a lot more programs and stuff. I think a lot of it is available for free.

(PCOS isn't what I'm dealing with, though, I've been tested a couple of times....by every new doctor I've seen, unlike the lady in this article, unfortunately!).

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I. puffed up with water weight all of a sudden about two years ago. My best friend, finally came to see me after being sick for years, homebound90%of the time.

She said I can see you gained weight, but it's not fat , your puffed up..

looks like 20 lbs of water weight.

I funny because I mentioned it to 3 doctors that month.

ALLL HANDS UP IN AIR ,BIG I DON'T KNOW WHY, THAT'S VERY UNUSUAL.

DUH !!!!!!!## My thought and words were lets find out or send me where you go for an answer.. 2years ,plus, still waiting [bonk] [bonk]

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http://www.salon.com/2015/12/21/air_pollution_partner/

Could air pollution contribute to the obesity epidemic?

Dirty air is thought to cause a number of negative reactions in the body, including metabolic disorders

by Janet Allon - Alternet - Dec 21, 2015
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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/3/37250?#000000

FDA Recalls Product with Undeclared Sibutramine in Weight Loss formula

& why this one product may not be the only place it can be found - what to look out for

[Much more detail at link]
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INSULIN RESISTANCE / METABOLIC SYNDROME

was staring me in the face. I adhered to what I thought were good "glycemic index" principles but that was the problem, really, even with good quality fats and real food. My insulin was being pushed even with organic black rice, even in small amounts. Same with other foods that appeared healthy on that chart.

I was wrong in many of my posts above where I focused on the glycemic index and nutrients mostly. I deleted most of those that said, "just do your best" as I thought that's all that could be done. However, a different approach came along to wake me up.

The past two months, each day, average about 3 hours of viewing lectures and taking notes and finding a ketogenic approach far better for my body.

Where the problem lies: INSULIN SENSITIVITY for many who deal with the issue of obesity. The wrong kinds of fats (corn / vegetables oil are toxic . . . olive oil and even butter are good), and even the glowing nutrient stars that some starchy veggies can be - for certain people, they are creating insulin rush and become stored fat.

I also had preconceived out-dated ideas of what Ketogenic was . . . and I was so wrong. My old way of thinking held me up for years as I notice the dates in which all this became available.

The glycemic index failed me. Big time. It ignores the problem of insulin dysfunction.

Ketogenic is not for everyone and really, LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) offers more leeway. Ketogenic interests me more due to the seizure help it seems to offer.

Where I not to deal with severe neurological matters, I would lean more to the LCHF approach with a few more veggies.

All this might not be for everyone yet, even slim folks can benefit from this knowledge:

investigative authors NINA TEICHOLZ (The Big Fat Surprise)

& GARY TAUBES (A Case Against Sugar; Why We Get Fat) . . . are vital places to explore for everyone.

In addition to their books at your library or local book stores . . . they have their own websites and YouTube has many of their presentations.


The film: The Magic Pill --- now streaming at NetFlix (and maybe other places, too)


What is a Ketogenic Diet / Way of Eating?

Start with a search for VIRTA HEALTH . . . see the research links regarding the science.

Dr. Sarah Hallberg & Dr. Stephen Phinney there as seek out all their YouTube presentations.

Dr. Eric Westman with Duke University program. His many good presentations also available through YouTube.

Dr. Timothy Noakes, books and videos also excellent.

& find the groups: Low Carb Down Under, Low Carb USA


By the way, Low Carb, High Fat is Moderate Protein - and "high" fat is not excessive yet very satiating and has purpose.

and, fairly soon into it, the body starts using stored fat. It's all very interesting.
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Not all who are overweight or obese have the distinct conditions of Lipedema or Lymphedema or other Fat Disorders. Fortunately, there is now more information for those who might to better understand the science of it all -- and for those who don't yet still want to learn about, well, the science involved.

Interestingly, I stumbled upon this in the Ketogenic lectures. This is amazing hope for so many that there are real changes that occur for many who have been on ketogenic plans.


https://www.fatdisorders.org/

Fat Disorders Research Society

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4zBZEEwLw2nGkqIp7txy8Q

Fat Disorders Research Society - YouTube Video Presentations


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTR9YE4dIA4

Vitamins, Minerals & Supplements for Lipedema

20:50 . . . Aug. 2, 2017 by Fat Disorders Research Society

Dr Karen Herbst and Chuck Ehrlich, MS, MBA discuss vitamins, minerals and supplements that help to reduce the impact of symptoms of lipedema & Dercum's Disease at the 2017 FDRS Conference.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmo1nSwwywo

Lipedema & Ketogenic Way of Eating

by Leslyn Keith, OTD & Catherine Seo, PhD

36:11 video . . . 15 October 2017, Lipoedema UK Conference


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGfz-YyC5pY

Diet and Lifestyle for Lymphatic Disorders: Implementing a Ketogenic Diet - conference by LE&RN

50:00 video . . . 28 August 2017

http://lymphaticnetwork.org

LE&RN: Lymphatic Education & Research Network
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