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lymeboy
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I know there are quite a few here who have gotten better after going to Germany for Bionic tx.

I am approaching what I think may be an end to my patience for abx. I can't do this much longer. I might have another year left in me. I'm not going to be swallowing 30+ pills / day for the rest of my life. I also refuse to accept that I may feel like this forever until I die. It's either get better or check out early.

After 3 years of abx, multiple docs, my current one being the best, I just don't know if this is all worth it. I'm a single parent of a teenage daughter. I'm pretty sure I'm ruining her life. She's more depressed than I am. I don't blame her. There's no money here, I'm a big mess and I'm constantly stressed out and miserable. I've had it with the rollercoaster, and I want off.

The reason I make this point is because I don't want to waste any more money on a treatment that is going to leave me still sick. I know a lot of folks here claim to be in remission bc of the TX, but I have heard from 3x as many that say it's a big expensive scam and a waste of time.

If I spend $ on this, it'll likely be the last of my cash. I don't even have the funds right now, but if I break my butt for 6-10 months, I might be able to come up with 3-5G tops. Which is why I am so reluctant to jump into another tx that won't get me well.

What is the general price for the TX in Germany. In addition, what did you pay for lodgings, and what kind of lodging options are there. Including food, airfare and lodging, what did the whole thing cost? My guess is well over 5g. Can it be done cheaper somehow? Is it really worth it? I would like to hear from those that this treatment failed as well. I am just not close to being convinced about it.

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Not including the Bionic, it cost me less than 5K.

I used the Bionic for infection treatment, but other things had to be addressed - parasites, metals, toxins, mold. And, I also worked very hard at rebuilding my body with good food, sleep, exercise, sunshine, and replenshing depleted minerals.

So, the photons are not a stand alone treatment, but I didn't have to worry about taking anything else for the infections, I just used the photons. I did continue to use them once I got back. After many months I was in remission, and I still continued to use them monthly out of fear of relapse.

I no longer have fear of relapse and am on no maintenance. I do eat very clean, exercise, sleep enough, and have balance in my life between work/play/rest/sleep. Nothing special for Lyme, only things we should all be doing anyway.

I went to Germany in 2008. And, as I mentioned, treatment has to continue for quite some time, and other issues have to be addressed, not just infection.

This is where most stay - http://www.gaestehausklein-dobel.de/

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That looks nice. All the rooms have kitchens? That isn't too pricey at 30 euro/night.
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I went to Germany in April 2012. The cost of my trip was about 6000 Eur, I did not buy Bionic but I did stay for 4 weeks.

I agree with Six, photons are great killing and immune modulating tool, but only killing will not get you in remission.

You have to address many aspects of these very complicated eco-system. And obviously 4 weeks is not enough, so you have to buy a photons emitting device if you would like to pursue energetic treatment. You dont have to buy Bionic, in my opinion, it is extremely overpriced. I use PE-1, which was about 1500$.

If it was the last money that I would have to spend, I would probably not spend it on the trip to Germany, but I would invest on buying PE-1, multiple nosodes and definitely learn how to do energetic tests (I use Biotensor from Germany).

For me personally the trip to Germany was priceless, because, Dr. W. teached me how to use Biotensor and my whole life depends on that now. I also met with Brussels (she is an excellent ART practitioner!!!!) , who shared with me her passion of homeopathic, herbs, photons, ART and psycho-kinesiology treatments and this had opened the whole new world to me and completely shifted my treatment.

So 7 months later Im still treating since I have to address KPU, heavy metals, parasites and multiple co-infections. But I can tell, Im in the much better place right now then I was a year ago. My Borrelia , Bartonella and Mycoplasma are dormant. It has been 9 months that Im off abx. Most of the time Im 90%- 95% and finally it looks like I start to see light at the end of the tunnel.

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I can't offer any insight on the Germany treatment,
but I know exactly what you are going through as I am in
a similar situation.

The only thing I can tell you is to keep going and keep trying.

Best of luck

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Yes, some rooms have full kitchens, others have at least a kitchenette so that you can eat at the guest house.

One other benefit to going to Germany is that Dr. W uses nosodes that you can't get here. It's good to start treatment using those stronger nosodes. You can't take them with you as even over there it's illegal to take them out of doctor's offices.

I agree about the PE1. It's also a good device. I have a Bionic because when I went talk of the PE1 was just starting and I didn't want to take any chances.

I do not have a biontensor and did not know how to muscle test through most of my treatment. I do have good intuition about what I need. And I had ART done every few months to give me direction. When I'd hit a wall in treatment, I'd do ART again. Eventually I did learn to muscle test.

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is there a way to learn biotenser without going to Germany. Obviously, Just getting a PE1 and trying to do it on my own is ideal. But I would want to do it 100%. I won't be spending 1000 to 1500 on something to just kind of do it the best I can. I'll need to know everything before I start. Is there a place in the U.S. that does this lyme tx, or could educate me in terms of how to hit Lyme with it?

Haven't yet given up on abx. BUT, I don't see doing it for more than another year at the very most. I am pretty scared to know what it's doing to my body. I take very high doses, for a long time now. It needs to stop.

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lymeboy,I have sent you a PM.
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Thanks everyone for the input thus far. It helps a lot.

I am now wondering, what does the photon tx, muscle testing, nosodes, etc. do for very bad neuro symptoms? the majority and worst of my symptoms are brain sx. I also have lesions. Does photon tx handle neuro symptoms well?

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lymeboy, I am sorry to read your post, but I can certainly relate to how you are feelings. "Germany" has always been what I would call my last ditch effort. It's been 6 years of the roller coaster for me, so I understand. Please keep us posted on what you decide.

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Hi lymeboy,

Just sent you a PM.

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Anuta, thanks for the nice compliments! So glad to hear you are doing much better and that all these immunosuppressive infections are dormant.

That is exactly what I think of this nosode + photon treatment thing: forget about abx, and even herbs to treat Bb. If you need a killer for Bb, use photons, point. Much faster, easier, deeper, no doubt.

Then the rest, you need to treat as it comes.
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Lymeboy,

I treated all on my own, I mean, the photon part.

I would do the first ART course from dr. K. You learn how to open regulation with it and how to muscle test. If you like it, do ART II, you learn how to test remedies and treatments.

You can even buy the DVDs to learn that, if you are an open guy you will learn that even from the DVD. The DVD is simply the whole course, just put into tape. You can buy the materials and books, whatever you need, I supppose.

but the help of an experienced ART person is non-replacable. At least in the first year, I find. Second year on, if you did the courses, you will manage mostly on your own, most of the time, with some help every 2,3 months or so.

If the ART practioner is open, he will test for you the photonic treatment, with the potency and time you need in each part of your body. and when you should do it again. And what cleaning stuff. And which dilutions of nosodes you need.

Anyway. Never burn all your money in a single treatment. Chronic diseases will never heal with a single bullet treatment, in my opinion.

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If you are sick, testing onself is not the way to go. You can twist and turn it, Brussels, whichever way you want, it does not work. I am not going into details because it is way too complicated to describe and you, Brussels, must know that very well.

We all know that if our brain is switched and the left answers instead of the right, things aren't going well. That is often the case when people are sick and struggling, even when a lot of improvement has already taken place.

The people who are doing ART well have been at it for several years, intensive studying always keeping up with what is being learned in the meantime. Medicine is not an exact science, neither is ART.

Shortcuts in ART do not work and only lead to dissatisfaction prolonging an already long enough problem.

The treatment in Germany is not at all popular among Lyme people there, because it only deals with 2% of the 100% of the disease. And the one it deals with is probably the one that is the least difficult to deal with.

I regret ever having brought this treatment method to LN now already 5 years ago and I have tried to tell this many times since then. There seem to be only one or two persons gone into remission out of the
35some who followed us -- the rest are still struggling today and some are struggling very badly or are not with us any longer.

It takes a lot of understanding on the part of the treating practitioner to deal with this chronic disease which has so many facets to it, and we are finding even more stumbling blocks today.

Of course you may spend your savings any way you want, but I do not want to hesitate telling the truth as I and many of the others who went there as patients see it. Lyme Disease is a totally different "animal" here as compared to Lyme in Germany because of the way we live and of course other factors.

Think it through very carefully before you take this step.

Best wishes to all.

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lymeboy, "I am pretty scared to know what it's doing to my body."

I am eternally grateful that I listened when Dr. K. told me many years ago: "If I knew they worked, I would give you abx". He ART tested every antibiotic on the market and my body simply said no. I had a total of about 3 months of abx before I saw Dr. K. and a few different abx in between the following years whenever they tested well for me, alltogether 6 months. Never longer than 3 weeks or so. At that point my body usually turned allergic/blocked.

Lyme and co-infections have left me many years ago. I am still dealing with the toxic metals that went into major distribution while in Germany without warning or protection and were and are still well encased in the biofilm my body created. Now I am dripping out biofilm --- using almost a box of cleanex every day and resorting to colonics because that also helps to rid the body of the biofilm quite well.

My advice to anyone struggling with any chronic disease not sure of exactly what - find an ART practitioner or anyone with a solid brain and good energetic testing to help guide you through. It is important to do it right the first time, so that one does not have to spend years to undo the damage from incorrect earlier treatments. We know so much more today.

Again, the best.

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I would like to politely disagree with you, GiGi... I think it is possible to dowse for answers about medical issues by one's self. Sometimes, it's the only way we can do this. Not everyone has the financial resources to go to alot of holistic practitioners.

In any case, this illness is very complicated. Sometimes the doctors or we, ourselves, find something that works. Many of the highly paid, progressive doctors do not know how to cure people.

I guess I can't really talk because I haven't been to see Dr. K but I do see many people get well & many people stay ill who post here. Sometimes, what we do works & sometimes it doesn't. It's hard to say which treatments exactly will help us. Each case is individual.

After dealing with this a long time - I don't think it's a good idea to "bet the farm" on any particular treatment. It's important to pace yourself & not run out of steam. There are no guarantees on anything. We have to keep our minds open & realize that we may have to live with illness.

I'm not trying to be discouraging - but it happens. People also get well, too. It's important to not give up.

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quote:
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I would like to politely disagree with you, GiGi... I think it is possible to dowse for answers about medical issues by one's self. Sometimes, it's the only way we can do this. Not everyone has the financial resources to go to alot of holistic practitioners.

Not only that, but many of us don't have access to practitioners who use energetic testing.

I did not have a biotensor, but I did use someone who learned ART testing from Dr. K, but only 3 or 4 times in order to help give me direction in what to treat next.

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I'm running out of steam.
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Sorry... Maybe try to change your perspective on it? Sometimes, we have to do that. Are there things you can do to try to make yourself more comfortable for the moment without doing so much "killing" of pathogens?

Sometimes, we have to try to just "run in place" for a bit to figure out the next phase or direction.

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sixgoofy - Yes, there were practically no practitioners when I lived down south. If there were, they were in hiding. I think natropathic medicine is actually illegal in South Carolina & Tenn...

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I think there could be lots of different possible answers to what heals the body.

I happened upon one of them, a PEMF machine, which chiropractors and physical therapists could have - you would have to call around, I guess.

It's a small machine that emits electromagnetic pulses through a white coil that we hold near our body. It boosts the electromagnetic energy in the body so it can function better, in all cells.

So what I'm wondering is, what modalities do you all think could help Lymeboy, given what he says he's dealing with, including the brain lesions?

In that vein, is there anything at all you've tried in the past that helped you that you're not doing at the current time? Just curious.

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Sparkle, you cannot tensor and get true answers when the body is blocked. You have to unblock it first. I am talking about a tensor in this case, not about a pendulum or the old method of dowsing.

Because many of you do not have access to energetic testing is not a good enough reason for me not to suggest that someone in need go look and find someone. As far as I am concerned, even EAV, ART, or other sound energetic testing helps.


Why are some people so defensive when it comes to the subject of energetic testing? For a chronic disease as most of us have to deal with and as I had to deal with it is a Godsent. At my age, it would probably not be around without it. So give people a chance and don't turn them off before they even try finding someone who could possibly help them.

Most ND's have a method to test energetically, whatever method they use to succeed, but it is a lot better than going on for years and years and continue suffering. Many medical doctors in Europe are doing ART. Many ND's are doing ART. I would say there are several hundred across little Germany who are doing ART. People's attitude is exactly the same as here --- voodoo. But if you keep throwing out the negatives about it, it becomes more and more difficult to spread the message about positive energetic testing in general.

I am not talking about giving up -- I am the last one to give up, or I would have stopped posting here many years ago.

Just remember, no practitioner or medical doctor or DO or dentist hangs out a shingle telling the world "I am doing EAV or ART or kinesiology". This should be obvious to everyone. We are living with AMA, FDA, and the like. This is the reason one has to search for people who do it.

Yet I was pleasantly surprised the other day seeing a sign in my little town on the side of the street saying "Colonics done here". I don't remember the exact wording, but just the fact that "Colonic" was in big and loud letters on a big sign standing on the sidewalk told me that a few things seem to be changing for the better. I left a river of biofilm during my last colonic that was unbelievable. I need a box of cleanex for the rest of the biofilm that is coming down from my nose now. No, it's not a cold or flu, because biofilm has to be practically cut off with scissors! When the metals depart, the biofilm also departs - my newest discovery. And I drink Rockrose tea (cistus).

Lymeboy, please keep searching.

P.S. Did not see Robin's post. Lymeboy, killing with abx or any other similar agents it not a good idea while you still carry a big toxic load.
You are only adding more to the load with more abx.

Most likely, some of the supplements you are taking without being tested your body cannot deal with and they block and are not absorbed. That has happened many times to me as the body changes its needs. Some of them that you are deficient in are needed, but reducing the toxic load is the next important task. And through energetic testing you can find out what is in that toxic load. Then you can address this. And the next thing after all I have learned is treating parasites that have become more and more of a problem in recent years.

You can do it!

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I did go to Germany and got the photon treatment. While it was not the miracle cure for me I will say it really really helped me. When I went I weighed 90 pounds (That's about 30 pounds less than what I should weigh), I was in danger of losing my job due to time missed from work.

I am back working full time (more than 40 hours per week). My weight is normal. For me photon treatment ranks in the top 4 treatments along with seeing an energy healer, allergie-immun (helped release metals, but did not help my allergies), and parasite treatment.

My Lyme damage is to the nervous system and that will take a long time to heal, but I know I will get there.

A word of caution: Don't overdo the photon treatment as some who first went to Germany did. Too much of almost any treatment can be dangerous.

I use a biotensor or a pendulum, but I make sure that I get my energy healer to help with some of the larger questions--too much emotional involvement when I do it myself.

God made us in His image and I believe I will be totally well.

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Once again I say that with all these alternative treatments, we have only anecdotes to go by in judging how well they work. And typically the people who were helped are more inclined to talk about it. So, it is a skewed information base and you are taking chances when basing important decisions on it.
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Poppy,

What works for one person may definitely not work for another person. Most people who have had lyme might say that antibiotics cured them. At least that is the information I had.

But antibiotics do not work for all--certainly made me worse not better--and so some of us turn to what you call "alternative" treatments.

Of the people I met in Germany who had the photon treatment--some go totally well and some did not. SOme made major imporvements in their health; some did not. Most of the people never have posted on lymenet and never will--that includes some who got totally well.

I have always felt that God plays the biggest role in my treatment plan (indeed, my whole life). If after much prayer I don't feel at peace with a treatment I don't try it or continue with it. I made the mistake of ignoring my own advice with some treatments and regretted it.

Anyway, everyone is different and no matter how much advice we can dispense here each person has ot make their own health decisions.

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Gigi said:

"The treatment in Germany is not at all popular among Lyme people there"

I corresponded with a lady in Germany (from the US) who has lyme. She told me just what Gigi said. Lyme patients there don't think much of this treatment and are not flocking to it. She was looking for a Burrascano type doctor in Germany, and I was able to help connect her to one.

I just thought that it was important to let you know this, lymeboy.

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If the treatment is not popular in Germany than I wonder why so many Germans were getting the treatment when I was there.

However, the point is not to argue about the treatment. It works for some and not for others.

A lot of people in the USA don't flock to alternative treatments, either.

I will say that I wish I had treated for parasites and metal detox prior to going to Germany--that didn't even enter into my thinking at the time.

Best wishes to all.

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Thank you as always, TF. I am hearing more and more stories like what you have mentioned. Definitely not sold on photons, in fact I am not planning on messing with them at all at this time. I do want to start exploring other avenues, such as metal detox and parasites. I tested very high for mercury poisoning a few years back. I have since had my amalgams replaced, but I know that won't do much to detox metals. I'm sure I've only gotten worse. I have a big problem in my mouth. My teeth are in bad shape, and my tongue is always numb. It constantly feels like my tongue fell asleep.
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I don't think there are any reasons to create a polarity dynamic between alternative vs. allopathic. Both can be helpful. Plenty of people die from allopathic medicine. Probably less actually die from alternative medicine.

The antibiotics don't always work for everyone. I've seen plenty of people here go for it in a big way with the abx & fail. They see the top rated LLMDs & still don't get "cured". It's hit or miss with this.

There's really no way of knowing since we have so little actual data about testing, treatments, etc. This is a very complicated illness. I don't think we even know the 1/2 of it.

If I were starting over again - I would definitely rule out parasites & heavy metals if my illness was lingering.

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quote:
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I don't think there are any reasons to create a polarity dynamic between alternative vs. allopathic. Both can be helpful. Plenty of people die from allopathic medicine. Probably less actually die from alternative medicine.


I agree with Sparkle. In my family alone, allopathic medicine has nearly cured my husband, while it made me worse.

95% of my former, top rated, LLMD's patients get well...I was one of the 5% who didn't...the resulting sepsis and antibiotic resistant bacteria could have killed me.

I doubt there has ever been a case of sepsis (in my case), or antibiotic resistant bacteria due to overuse of herbs.

I think antibiotics are very important, in moderation, and in combination with alternative medicine.

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sparkle, save your $$$ on going to Germany, concentrate on your mouth instead, lots of diease originates from the mouth, toxic teeth, root canals, cavitations, gums and infected jaws, Lyme loves to hide in the jaw along parasites.
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dal123: I completely agree about the jaw. When I feel my best, my jaw doesn't hurt, and vice versa.

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I haven't been active on LymeNet for quite some time. In addition to Lyme & infections, we had a toxic mold problem. 3yrs of remediation hell and being displaced from our house which was gutted to stud walls. Moved back in, further relapsed from the move....long story.

All that said, I wanted to comment on this thread. While I have not had the Bionic880 or PE1 treatment, I did have an experience that I think relates that some might find interesting, hopefully you Lymeboy.

Like many, I was sick long before I was finally diagnosed. I knew something bad was wrong. I had too many relapses lasting 1-5 days where I couldn't work. Of course all conventional labs showed everything in normal ranges. But, here is where the photon exp comes in. I developed skin cancer. After many surgeries and treatments, a dematologist finally acquired a new photon device for cancer. I was one of this particular clinics early patients to use it. I was never able to finish the treatment. The first treatment knocked me on my butt....flat. The next day I could not lift my head off the pillow!! I knew the photons had done something to me. I was clueless as to what. It took years for me to find LymeNet and realize that photon machine had killed bugs and what I had was a HERX. The dermatologist was clueless what happened but refused to use it on me again after seeing what happened. So, yes, I believe photons can be very very powerful. But, one does have to be careful. I have no idea what kind of life device they used on me. I know it wasn't any of these being discussed, but I think all photon devices can strongly affect us.

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It's not a surprise to me that people in Germany say no one is flocking to have alternative treatment. It's really the same thing here.

Here the alternative docs are busy, but the vast majority goes the conventional route.

There are studies being done on photon treatment. http://www.cuph.org/projects/global/material/546/binary/

And, as mentioned, photons are powerful, not to be underestimated or overused.

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Thank you dal123... At first I thought you were being smart with me - LOL...

Yes, you are echoing my thoughts about this. I still am in need of some dental work. I had to have 2 teeth removed this year & may need another one pulled.

I have 2 fillings with mercury that I want to have replaced, too.

Yes... The dental issue & the parasites are big parts of this illness for some people. I would make sure all that is clear before using any infrared device. There's alot you can do prior to working with the photons.

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Sparkle,

Its worth the money, find a good holistic dentist that utilizes homeopathy, those teeth that were removed may need sanum homeopathic injections, energetic remedies rubbed on the gums, Theres a good general one - OraTox. Plus VER, a parasite remedy that can be succussed and rubbed on the gums.

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After reading everyone's responses here, I've come to the conclusion that parasites and/or heavy metals are the major piece to this puzzle. Attack!

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Hi, I wish I could go only heard good things about going overseas from Germany, to Switzerland,Brussels all accept & know & do more than here. Sad isn`t it.
Why all the stars from Montel to Cher to many others go overseas to get PROPER care.....
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quote:
Originally posted by Catgirl:
After reading everyone's responses here, I've come to the conclusion that parasites and/or heavy metals are the major piece to this puzzle. Attack!

Yes, both were big issues for me as well.

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Thanks dal123! I was trying to take care of things through my dental plan. I couldn't find any holistic dentists on the plan, though. The price comparison is really significant - it was actually 5 times more expensive to get the stuff I needed done throuh a holistic dentist...

I've been to a few "holistic" dentists & they we kind of con-artist types... I got jaded. It's hard to find really good dentists. The regular ones I went to were highly qualified but I had some problems with them.

I'm going to have to sort all this out... Thanks for your recommendations about this. I know it's a really important issue.

I don't have experience with going to Germany but I did alot of work on my own with the LightWorks. I would recommend that people deal with dental & parasite issues prior to working with infrared light.

We don'e know what effect the infrared light has on heavy metals or parasites in the body, as far as I know. It may casue these thing to get worse.

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"We don'e know what effect the infrared light has on heavy metals or parasites in the body, as far as I know. It may casue these thing to get worse."

Sparkle, I know the effects, because I and my husband lived them and luckily survived. Today I know that the treatments as done there were wrong and very inadequate and for most of the group damaging.

It is irresponsible for me to encourage anyone to go there for treatment now. There are a couple thousand ART practitioners all over Europe, all of them knowledgable and trained in chronic conditions, including Lyme. But no matter how one approaches it, no chronic disease involving Lyme can be cured andpeople pronounced lymefree in three weeks. That has got to be a sad joke.

The lovely Gaestehaus and its owners and the small delightful church in the town up the hill lingers in my memory. If my husband were still alive, we would go over there for a little vacation.

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I am going to be seeing a biological dentist next month. I am convinced that many of the bacteria are lingering in some weak spots in my jaw and areas where I had previous dental problems. My gut is telling me that this is related to how I lost my hearing.

I also will likely be seeing a therapist who uses the Omnamed machine for diagnosing and treating areas that are 'blocked' or damaged by scar tissue.

From what I have read, the machine can 'test' you for the area that is most problematic at the time - and that way you can address the most significant part of your illness.

I am pretty sure that it can find problems due to parasites and heavy metals as well as biofilms. I wish I knew for sure, though.

Has anyone here had experience with a biological dentist? Or a therapist who uses the Omnamed machine? I would like to hear whether you feel they have helped in your recovery. I spent over $1000 for an Atlas chiropractor that was not able to help me at all. I don't want to throw away more money.

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Hi, have had all my mercury teeth pulled due to cavities etc, I wish could say I was better & my friends said was waste of money to do teeth. Guess we are all diff. or have diff co-infections that this doe`s not work on.
Take Care, Hugggsss to all in need, Kerry

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Sorry you didn't have the luck you had hoped, Kerryblue. Was it a biological dentist that did this? Or was it a traditional dentist? That is a lot of work and expense. I appreciate hearing about it and will weigh it into my decision if that is recommended to me.
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The last thing I will give away is my photon machine!

Living in tick land, it is my only warranty of fighting some infections (borrelia included) in the FASTEST and most effective way I could EVER imagine possible. We are still being bitten many times a year.

Borrelia is not the MAIN problem for us, lyme sufferers.

It is what made us sick, at first, that is the problem. Many have been bitten by infected ticks, while not ALL fall sick with lyme.

I agree with many of you, concerning teeth, cavitations, parasites, scar tissue, psychological issues,heavy metals, toxins etc. These are all part of sickness. Add electrosmog, hormones.

And dr. W's protocol does NOT deal with these problems.

However, whatever anyone says: photons + nosodes is the fastest way we found at home to put Borrelia dormant.

Lyme is not only borrelia, I agree, but as dr. K says, Borrelia is the master mind of tick born coinfections.

So kill it, the others lose their master and get weak. It is consistent to what we experienced at home. It took us though about 5 months of treatment against Borrelia after years on dr. K's holistic treatment. Our Bb goes dormant, so does other coinfections (not all, but many).

That to me is dr. W's treatment: a treatment of Borrelia, point. He calls that lyme disease. Well, it is lyme disease, technically....

Killing borrelia will not treat the CAUSE of sickness in the same way that killing cancer cells do not treat the cause of illness.

Same as for candida: killing candida, controlling food, etc, is not treating the CAUSES of candida. Why is that we fall sick with candidiosis? Answers, I believe, are similar with lyme.

But of course, I am SURE I was going to be again easily sick if: my amalgams were still here, without dealing with KPU, allergies, detox, cavitations, energy problems (I had loads of problems), etc...

My daughter still relapses every two years or so.

And it takes her LESS than 3 weeks to get rid of the relapse (meaning, active borrelia). But I treat from day 1, when Bb tests positive. With photons.

So we are still looking for ways NEVER to get a relapse. That is the real difficult part of the treatment, that takes years...

Borrelia became to us one of the easiest part of treatment. That is what photon + nosode treatment mean to us. It's as simple as that.

I won't shift back to treat her lyme relapses the OLD way: abx combo, herbs, ingested homeopathics, rife, kmt, whatever. Nope.

Guess that, when the doctor finds Borrelia active again, MANY COINFECTIONS get activated too. Like magic, in a matter of days, we get our whole friends back. If we don't treat Bb, she gets lyme.

So I simply treat her with photons + nosodes, as there's nothing easier and faster that I know.

And meanwhile, we continue treating her with Allergie Immune, KPU, chlorella, sometimes using ART testing for organs /MFT /Psychokinesiology / family constellation...

Still, there is mercury coming out from her. So we are still, somehow always treating a bit, here and there, but we are not treating lyme disease!

Is that clear or confusing?

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Since 2009, I never relapsed from lyme, despite many bites. But I still treat candida in winter. It comes back to me in winter, on and off.

I had that previous to lyme, for decades. The holistic treatment of dr. K, I think, plus other energy treatments, helped me a bit, but I'm not healed from that either. I'm muuch better, but not healed.

Some say, candida is not that bad. Well, you may think so, but once one has chronic candida, lyme can come back, I believe. And so can cancer. Or any other chronic infection.

It is an immune system problem, toxic problem, smog problem etc. So I am also treating the 'terrain', so to say, low gear, but doing that, so that my health slowly improves. For me, it is a life long process.

Not even dr. K is without preventative treatment. He takes many of the products he recommends, does the infrared sauna, is very worried with detoxing, get tested with ART on and off, etc, right? I guess, we are all on constant 'treatment' for the terrain.

However, it is a HUGE difference to treat when you don't have a life threatening disease, consuming your body day by day.

Now I'm treating on my rhythm, when I feel like doing that.

It is very different to treat the terrain when you are still having to fight multiple infections and have no more even space in your schedule to fit in a metal detox program plus KPU whatever, so tight your day is, in taking one supplement /remedy after another.

that is what not-having-active-borrelia means to me and my daughter. It gives us a pause to treat our terrain in our rhythm, without hush.

Not having active borrelia is the best present I got in the last 5 years!

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