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Tammy N.
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I'm kind of stunned by this.

I started treating parasites back in May, and have passed parasites daily since then. And since I have issues with detoxing and cannot tolerate sulfur supps, it seemed the best thing that helped me to not become overloaded was daily coffee enemas. They made my treatment completely tolerable.

I don't usually see anything exit at the time of the enema. It's always in the morning that I see them.

Anyway, just last week I decided to give myself a break on the enemas. I thought I would take a week off, then restart at maybe 2 or 3 times per week. Suddenly the bugs stopped exiting. I felt excited thinking that maybe I finally killed them all off (I also felt particularly good all week, and continued with my herbal tincture and salt/c). So I thought the bugs were gone.

I just did a coffee enema yesterday afternoon, then this morning Hello, they're baacckkk.... or I suppose I should say they were never quite gone. (In my gut I didn't feel like they were completely gone.) Anyway, guess I need to continue with the enemas. I saw my local LLMD today and discussed with her. She said maybe the parasites are lodged in by gallbladder and liver and the coffee enemas help to stimulate those areas and expel them. We were just sharing guessing ideas because, certainly, it doesn't seem possible that coffee enemas would have any killing effect. But they do seem to help to keep things moving.

So my advice to my parasite-killing friends out there.... consider adding daily coffee enemas to your "to do" list.

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Will do!

I remember RZR had a similar experience.

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I notice the same thing. I usually only "see" results after I have done a coffee enema. Not during the enema but the next movement after. If I don't do the coffee enema, no parasites.

I wonder why that is?

I did just do 3 colonics last week and did see results with that, so I know they are still there.

This is obviously a long term treatment to get rid of them. I have been treating for a few months now, first with over the counter herbals, now with pharma meds.

Best wishes.

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Yes, glutathione suppositories also help with exit.

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Tammy,

I had the same experience, but I just did warm water enemas. I think that it's possible that the dead and dying parasites move down into the lower colon and need some liquid pressure(water/coffee) to help push them out.

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Isn't this odd? Huh.

I've done EDTA suppositories that caused them to come out. And also artemisinin/garlic suppositories (but I have a difficult time with them because of the sulfur in the garlic). But it's strange how the first thing that comes out is a large parasite.

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quote:
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I had the same experience, but I just did warm water enemas.

Gael

Good idea Gael. I was looking for a way to easily transition to Epsom Salt Enemas and then Coffee Enemas.

I think I'll try warm water enemas first, to get some courage up to try the others.

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Gael - that sounds like a good idea. Maybe warm salt water.

Hello by the way [hi] I've been thinking of you.

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Hey Tammy,

Been thinking about you too. Warm salt water would be good. I think colon cleansing is one of the most important things we can do. Glad to see you are still having good results getting rid of parasites.

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How can you be sure that what you are seeing is actual parasites? Alot of times BM can resemble them but they are actually normal. http://naturalhealthtechniques.com/basicsofhealthwhat_is_a_normal_bowel_movement.htm
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The parasites I saw would always float to the top of the water. Some of the worms were 8-10-16-20 inches long. Others looked like the pictures on www.lymephotos.com

For me, it was unmistakable as to what I saw. I even (gross) fished some out that had other shapes and colors and dried them on a paper towel. There was no question as to what they were.

I made it into a science project because I couldn't believe what I was seeing. If you are taking antiparasitics and see strange objects in the toilet you will know.

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If anyone thinks we are immune to having a parasitic infection just because we live in the US, you are wrong.

It's a nice thought, but a bit of magical thinking to think we are somehow "above" it. That parasites are something that happens to "unsanitary, dirty, poor people in 3rd world countries".

That our society is too clean to have the "p" word.

I used to think all of the above...but I was wrong...could have literally been dead wrong.

Mucous and food particles could never in a million years be mistaken for liver flukes.

Once you see actual liver flukes in your toilet, after you take an anti-parasitic, there would be no doubt that you have parasites.

http://voices.yahoo.com/parasitic-infections-dramatically-rising-america-6875326.html

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Yes...same thing happens with me.

No enemas, no parasites exiting.

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I did antiparasitic herbs for 6 mos straight without seeing anything exiting. As soon as I started salt/c, (even at low dose)they started pouring out of me. Sea salt and vitamin C can act like a natural enema, plus they both support the adrenal glands.

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Ellen - valid question. But mine are obvious parasites (mature!). It's not even like "maybe??, could it be??". There is no mistaking it. I have many dozens of photos that I've shared with my doctors. Actually, on a brave day, I think I'm going to post photos here on LN (why not share the eye candy...haha....sick joke, I know....but ya gotta laugh otherwise you can lose your mind over this stuff).
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You've convinced me, I'm going to try warm salt water and also the coffee. Thanks for posting about this!

I found the following link, but if someone knows of another formula or easier way, can you please post it?

http://www.sawilsons.com/basicenema.htm

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can you do this if you dont have a gall bladder

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Catgirl - go for it!

lpkayak - I would think so, but you may not get the same benefits as someone with a gallbladder. The one good thing is that you will be expelling additional waste (toxins) that your body may otherwise have held onto for many more hours (or until the next day). That alone is good reason to keep things flushed out, imo.

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Just did the Epsom Salt enema.

It was no big deal...I don't know why I was so scared to start them.

1 tsp Epsom salt to a bag of warm water.

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Has anyone tried castor oil suppositories?

Lax, does epsom salt cause yeast?

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I do weekly castor oil packs on my liver, but never heard of doing those as suppositories. What's the idea behind it?
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Tammy, you mentioned doing garlic suppository enemas. I'm wondering if you could just press a garlic clove, mix with olive oil and insert with a syringe.

I know garlic is hot and wondering if it might burn?

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Michael, just looking at biopure and noticed their product supports for microbial/fungal/parasitic and co infection defense (ALTA).

Has anyone tried this product?

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Catgirl: I don't know if Epsom salt causes yeast or not. I already have yeast. I've been doing the Epsom Salt enemas several days now.

I was told if you use to much Epsom salt, you will know because you will itch...but I think she meant itching due to the salt, not yeast. (sorry TMI)

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Marz, I read on another blog that one person smashed two cloves of garlic and boiled it in water, then mixed 1/2 to 3/4 of the mixture with room temp water and saw results.

He said it did not burn, no pain, but his body went crazy trying to get parasites out of him. He also said since then, he's had more stomach movement & weird sensations.

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Thanks lax!

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Hey Catgirl: Do you know if 14 days of Pyrantel pamoate would make me extremely tired?

I was doing GREAT after the Biltricide, but I'm on day 12 of Pyrantel and completely wiped out everyday.

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I take the pyrantel with ivermectin, and that has generally made me tired. Your liver is working to process it, and perhaps cleaning up from some killed parasites if you're being successful.
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I've never taken it for 14 days. Pyrantel seems to hit me harder than the others.

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Marz - I haven't done a garlic suppository enema. In thinking about it, I don't like the idea of putting in a suppository and then doing an enema at the same time. I've done artemisinin/garlic suppositories at bedtime. Then coffee enema the next morning.

lax mom - I don't remember feeling particularly wiped out from Pyrantel. But it's not surprising that some may be. Killing these bugs is hard work and very tiring on our bodies. I had issues with Alinia because it contains sulfur (which I have a problem with). I didn't realize it until I was already on it for about 10 or 12 days. That made me feel wiped out, toxic and weird. The first few days were fine, but then it hit me. I have to say tho, after the sulfur stuff subsided, my energy soared after the Alinia.

Like Michael, I was given Pyrantel while taking Ivermectin (Iver 4x day, with Pyrantel at night for 2 weeks). This is part of Dr. K's protocol.

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For those reporting the worms in the stool following use of coffee enemas ... are you seeing them in the stool literally following the coffee enema, where you're releasing the coffee? Or are you saying, since you do the enemas periodically, worms come in the stools periodically (but not necessarily with the coffee)?

I just did my first one yesterday, will do more, just was curious.

Also, how do ya'all clean the tube? With what substance, and then it naturally ends up with still some water or some liquid in it after you're done, until next time? Or do you manage to really empty/dry it somehow?

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Good for you Michael!

No, I almost never see them during the coffee enema process. Mine always come out the next morning.

I only use disposable, latex-free enema bags. I try to be environmentally conscious, but this is one area where I give myself a break. It makes everything much easier. And they are very inexpensive.

Here's a link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002NWS2BM/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

Happy cleansing!

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Sorry if this is a repeat question. I didn't see it in the posts. What kind of coffee do you use?

The disposable bags make so much sense, I am going to buy those.

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Don't know about anyone else, but I am using coffee sold by S.A. Wilson's, from the link Catgirl provided above. They also sell equipment. They say their coffee is a special blend, and also specially processed, both with the idea of them being used for enema in mind. While you could drink it, it's not intended to taste like coffee people are familiar with, it's intended to work well for enemas, including having more of the chemicals that make them good.
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I use an organic, medium roast coffee from whole foods. Works great!

Make sure it's not decaf.

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Only organic coffee (not decaf). I buy mine at Whole Foods...their 365 brand.

I just took a quick look at the S.A. Wilson's organic coffee. I might give that a try next. Nice to see they are approved by the Gerson group...that's pretty impressive.

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