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karawhite
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hi everyone...once again I reach you to the experts- you guys here on LM...

my llmd told me to take serrapepetaze to break up biofilm - im currently taking :

Serrazimes 33 mg 20,000 units of activity(whatever that means). I'm taking just 2 a day.

Is this enough?!

Also, I know there are different kinds of these enzymes- which ones are the most effective? And is there anything else besides these kinds of enzymes?

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That sounds like a good plan!!

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Lumbrokinase is better for biofilm
You can try cistus tea and EDTA soy lecithin and rife and heat.
And if your research online there are other ideas people use for not just Lyme disease

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Lumbrokinase is better for biofilm
You can try cistus tea and EDTA soy lecithin and rife and heat.
And if your research online there are other ideas people use for not just Lyme disease

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I used lumbronkinase/boluoke and wobenzyme for 1.5 years. Then I had my blood looked at by F labs and I still had "substantial biofilm", so I don't think any of that stuff works.

I read that lumbrokinase is the most effective and boluoke is the best of the lumbrokinase - which is actually just earth worms. If you take it 3 times a day on an empty stomach, it will thin your blood by ten percent in a month. That is expensive, especially the boluoke.

I am now doing IV EDTA, which chelates heavy metals and also binds with the magnesium and iron that makes up the biofilm.
I have only done two IV's so far. The nurse told me it takes 10 to 20 to get rid of the metals. That should also have a profound effect on the biofilm. I will let you know how it goes - The day after I feel pretty bad.

There are remedies with oral liposomal EDTA, which is supposed to work better than just EDTA. I tried LipoPhos EDTA and it tasted so horrible I couldn't tolerate it. It is expensive too.

I tried Artemisinin Essentials, which has liposomal artemisia and EDTA. The fat in this acts like a trojan horse to get into the biofilm, which LOVES fat. Then the artemisia can kill the pathogens while the EDTA degrades the biofilm by binding with it's minerals. It is expensive too.

Why not just do an IV once a week for $150.

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so breaking up biofilm means thinning your blood? can't that be dangerous?
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My son had about 20 IV chelations. He's in remission now for about 2 years. He also took antibiotics, antifungals, anti-parasitics and anti-virals, and lots of supplements, so I don't know what really did it. But he did do IV's for metals.

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Thinning your blood is probably not exactly the same thing as getting rid of biofilm. That was just what I read. My blood was hyper coagulated two years ago so I did the heparin. Then I read that heparin can cause you to leach calcium from your bones causing osteoporosis so I quit it.

I wonder if baby aspirin would help since it is anti platelet forming. I read something about taking it when you have lyme that was negative but I can't remember (so annoying) why! I think it had something to do with the effect it can have on the intestines - it can also cause stomach ulcers.

Other blood thinning supplements are jiaogulan, hawthorn and capsaicin. You get the best effect with all of these herbs etc when you take them on an empty stomach.

Jiaogulan is an adaptogen. It brings your blood pressure down if it is too high and raises it if it is too low. If you feel tired, it will perk you up but if you are overly excited, it will calm you down. Chinese athletes take it for it's calm energizing effect. It promotes a healthy heart and is know as a longevity herb in China.

More recently people are using xylitol and lactoferrin for biofilm. Lactoferrin binds with iron, which is used to build biofilm It will not break existing biofilm down but it helps to prevent it from forming.

Xylitol is a sweetener made from birch trees, that has no calories. It has been promoted by dentist because it destroys biofilm in the mouth that causes plaque.

A doctor began using a combination of xylitol and lactoferrin on diabetic wounds that would not heal. These wounds have biofilm protecting the bacteria. This treatment saved many patients that were facing amputations of their limbs.

You need 6 grams of xylitol to do any good dentally. I read (I don't know if it is true), that the bacteria, which love sugar, eat the xylitol because it is sweet and it causes them to die. Xylitol is not good for pets so if you use it don't give it to them.

Again the best effect is when you take it without protein or other sweeteners, so put some in your tea or coffee.

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A few interesting links about using lactoferrin and xylitol for biofilm.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21377840

http://bacteriality.com/2008/04/13/wolcott/

I just found a protocol from an autism forum. It is 1 ts xylitol in water 2-3 times a day and 250 mg lactoferrin. You should take it on an empty stomach but the only time my stomach is empty is the morning. I guess I will try it first thing in the morning and right before I go to bed.

I seem to be getting better from the IV and HH2. I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow and if I can talk him into testing me, I am worried there might not be enough left to get a positive result. But I guess they are testing for antibodies so even if I am getting after it myself with the herbs etc, it should come up positive. I hope so.

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You can get low dose aspirin that is coated and won't bother your GI system. My mom had problems taking regular aspirin, but the low dose was fine. It is commonly prescribed to prevent heart attacks, which is why she was on it.

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Thanks for that info Lymednva. Maybe a combination of all these things will do some good.

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Here is a link about using aspirin to break up the biofilm produced by candida.
http://aac.asm.org/content/48/1/41

Another
http://aac.asm.org/content/early/2012/02/27/AAC.06082-11.full.pdf

Real interesting. This study used aspirin with EDTA.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302313

Another study said platelets help form biofilm. Aspirin is an anticoagulant, preventing platelet aggregation so it reduces biofilm specifically associated with heart disease.

Aspirin is also anti fungal, anti viral and anti bacterial.

Sounds like it might be very helpful.

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Heparin injections were the best for me while also doing antimalarials for babs/proto.
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One of the mechanisms that make hyperbaric so effective at wound healing is that it dissolves the bacterial biofilm in the wound.

I like this example from nature: If you watch a bubbling stream, it is clearer where the water is moving and bubbling over rocks and becoming oxygenated, but the "slime" (biofilm) collects in the stagnant pools and near the edges of the stream where it isn't oxygenated...

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Haritaki was found to break up biofilms. It's an ayurvedic herb. It is usually found in triphala, but I found triphala to be too strong for me and just took the haritaki.

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Hyperbaric also has the advantage of not having to be digested and disseminated through the bloodstream...as both the digestive system and circulatory system may be compromised (i.e., malabsorption, hypoperfusion, etc.) in people with Lyme and other chronic illnesses.

Through pressure, oxygen is forced directly into the tissues where circulation can't reach.

Dissolving biofilm is just an added advantage to the anti-microbial and restorative capabilities of hyperbaric...

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Neffer,
This is a very interesting post. "More recently people are using xylitol and lactoferrin for biofilm. Lactoferrin binds with iron, which is used to build biofilm It will not break existing biofilm down but it helps to prevent it from forming." I ready the doctor's post on it treating diabetic wounds that won't heal. My only questions is, just because it topically breaks up biofilm, how would we know that it would break up biofilm orally? I guess people are just taking it in the hopes of it working or have there been studies that you know about?

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I use marcozymes and serrapeptase. serrapeptase doctor's best at 80,000 IU 3 x day. Marcoymes definately break open the lyme cyst without any extra anything. I was hoping the added serrapeptase would impact larger biofilm if I have it... I definately have had candida..and it is reducing.

For chelation I cannot afford IV work so Im looking at Dr Garry Gordons oral chelation product. He's one of the worlds leading experts in all forms of chelation and he says that oral can work as well as IV just not as fast.
this is a great article on what he says and I think I will use his product along with cilantro which I already have, and lots of chlorella as a binder.
http://www.smart-publications.com/articles/dr-garry-gordon-interview-the-health-benefits-of-EDTA-chelation-therap

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If you want to dissolve biofilm in your colon nothing is better than Ozone by rectal insufflation.
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Pushingthru, I found the protocol on a forum for autism so we aren't the newest ones to use it. They said it is helping their children. It is also very effective for kids with inner ear infections.


People are having a lot of die off using it for candida. I have been googling it but some of the most interesting links won't load.

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