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nefferdun
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I was just blown away when I found this.

"Bartonella may inflame the pancreas in some cats leading to insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus."

I KNEW IT!!

I was doing very well off abx. Then I accidentally poked myself with the needle I used to give my diabetic cat a shot. That is when I began to get symptoms again.

No one here would help me. I got my blood work done through F labs but no one would call him. I just got worse and worse.

I AM GOING TO SEE DR. F THIS WEEK. I AM GOING TO GET MY POOR CAT TESTED AT THE VET. MY GOSH.

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old joke: idiopathic means the patient is pathological and the the doctor is an idiot

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There is more. My adult son was diagnosed with type one diabetes 3 years ago and the vet publication said bartonella can also cause diabetes in humans. Naturally I can't find that in any medical publications online.

Dr. F says PR can cause diabetes and I asked my son to get tested but he thinks he is fine.

The point is, if these infections can cause diabetes in animals, then why wouldn't they in humans?

Bartonella also causes very bad uveitis in dogs and cats. That is not normally listed among the human symptoms but I found information about it in humans. It has been one of my primary symptoms since the beginning.

Ehrlichia can be chronic in dogs and causes uveitis. In dogs, Ehrlichia goes dormant in the spleen (I believe) and then emerges again. I want to see a vet!

I don't know what is going on. Perhaps the poor cat got bartonella from me and I am just having a relapse.

My brain is a mess. I am so glad I am going to see F and find out what is wrong.

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old joke: idiopathic means the patient is pathological and the the doctor is an idiot

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That is shocking! I hope you can get some help for the both of you!!

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I hope you have an easy travel, and the hotel gives you a free massage.
I would love to hear how your appointment goes, sending good thoughts--

Probably you know I have no memory of a single tick bite, but mixed it up with feral wild cats many years ago.

Ironically, I have been researching and been concerned about my own possible blood sugar issues the last few weeks,
thinking I should get it tested.

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low positive Fry biofilm test, 2012.
Update 7/16- After extensive treatments,
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I remember right before my son was diagnosed with diabetes, he was complaining of very severe abdominal pain, which is characteristic of pancreatitis.

After he was diagnosed I brought it up. His girlfriend is a heavy drinker and thinks insulin is the panacea for his disease; she encourages him to eat and drink whatever he wants. When I expressed my concern that he may have gotten pancreatitis from drinking, she withdrew in silence, taking him with her.

Since then he has also complained of extreme anxiety and feeling tired, both of which he attributed to the heavy load in school. Now the bottom of one foot hurts really bad. He diagnosed himself with plantar faciitis. I told him to see a doctor.

Here is one of the links about diabetes, cats and bartonella. I hope you are not getting diabetes , surprise. If you don't want to read the whole thing, read under conclusions.

It is a wonder I am still surviving - so much stress - and no one gives a hoot about helping me. Having lyme is like having leprocy.

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old joke: idiopathic means the patient is pathological and the the doctor is an idiot

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We found an association of Bartonella seropositivity with platelet disorders (thrombocytopenia, epistaxis, excessive bleeding, and splenomegaly) and pancreatic disorders (pancreatitis and insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus) in both cats and dogs. Similar disorders were originally described in people infected with Bartonella.

Appropriate antibiotic therapy caused rapid recovery of animals with platelet disorders and resolved or lowered the insulin requirement in 39% of infected cats with diabetes. Bartonella may inflame the pancreas in some cats leading to insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus. Our findings indicate that Bartonella can inflame virtually any tissue in the body and can induce varied clinical syndromes.

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Wow. I have a diabetic cat as well. I didn't know this about bartonella. In her case I unknowingly have her steroids when she was young bc I got her with a skin condition where she had over Reactions to flea bites! She woukd literally chew herself to pieces.
The vet who dx her diabetes a few yrs later told me that was probably why she got the diabetes. Poor baby.

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Sorry about your cat CD57. Do you have to give her shots twice a day? That is what we have to do. I guess there are a number of things that can cause diabetes in animals and humans.

You would think if they knew about the connection between bart and diabetes that they would check for it, especially since cats can transfer the infection so easily to humans.

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Hi Nefferdun

Do you have the link to this article?

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Neff.... you should be getting home tonight.... How did your appointment go? Can't wait to hear about it!!!! Hope it all went ok traveling and all!

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Hoops123 -- Found the link for you.

http://www.natvetlab.com/PDF/newsletters/Vol-8-No-4.pdf

hadlyme -- Neff posted about her appointment in general. Here is the link.

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/33289

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Thank you
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This is interesting. I just want to share my experience. My doctor started me on Doxycycline and Rifampin and Tinidazole for Lyme and Bartonella. The Rifampin being for the Bartonella. I started the Doxycyline and then added in the Rifampin. What I had was a VERY diabetic reaction. I called my doctor because I was scared and had diabetes and she said it was probobly a herx. Anyways. I had SEVERE thirst and hunger with having to pee alot. I don't know what all but I remember it came on with the Rifampin/Bartonella treatment. It went away after a week or so but I lost like 10 pounds in a few days and I was eating non stop. It was really weird. I don't have diabetes but when I looked up the symptoms they all pointed to a diabetic type reaction. Anyways, freaked me out!
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I am finding managing my diet like hypoglycemic/ diabetes individuals is working best,

low/ no sugar, low carb, small meals eaten every 2-3 hours,
and taking coconut oil mixed in hot drink 3x a day.

When I take the coconut oil an hour before bed, I stay in bed a solid 8 hours, which previously is/ was unheard of for me.

Keep the blood sugar regulated through diet.

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Lyme positive PCR blood, and
positive Bartonella henselae Igenex, 2011.
low positive Fry biofilm test, 2012.
Update 7/16- After extensive treatments,
doing okay!

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