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SacredHeart
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I'm sick. I have two kids, and a wife. We are going broke. I can't afford something that isn't really built to proper specs.

I read one article that says a certain "lyme con man," is just making a bunch of money off of rife, and makes us look like quacks. Supposedly none of the machine are actually built to Dr. Rife's specs that are sold out there today.

On the other hand, I see numerous people say they are getting well, but could other variables be at play and they just so happen to start feeling better around the time they get their rife machine going?

I am throughly impressed with Anthony Holland's frequency generator, and Cottonbrain's post is what brought me to these questions.

Are there specs out for Anthony Holland's device that he found? Are there any for sale anywhere, or do we need a larger scale device in order to sit in the plasma light the Helium is giving off?

I sure want to believe that the RIFE machines work, but I'm trying not to let my emotions get in front of my logic. I'm not trying to attack anyone using it, I'm just looking for the truth.

Thanks, God Bless.

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Look at Spooky 2 software and machines. It is very reasonable. I am awaiting the plasma generator which might make it very effective.
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Rife doesn't penetrate enough to get complete resolution.
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The EMEM5A is pretty effective.

If you are interested in Rife, I would purchase Bryan Rosner's book on Lyme and Rife Machines.

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You don't need Anthony Holland's machine. It's not for sale, anyway. And theirs is set up for a different purpose with the 11th Harmonics, specifically for cancer study. If you want to study his work for other reasons, start with the institution he works with and explore their work.


There are excellent ones discussed in Rosner's book / site and with this set that are well suited for lyme, etc.

As LymeToo says, the most economical and quite adequate is the EMEM5 (although the frequencies are dialed individually and does not "do" a sweep which would be a nice luxury but not required.)


http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=117755;p=0

Topic: RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS

VITAL: Get Rosner's book
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billrrr, you say:

"Rife doesn't penetrate enough to get complete resolution." (end quote)

Actually, it does. Far better than any other approach. Links above explain how.

Now, it's still a very intricate process that can take time but it absolutely can penetrate where pharmaceuticals & herbs cannot, such as deep into bone where lyme can hide.
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Patches let me know how that goes. Is the plasma generator the same type that Anthony Holland was using?

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Are any of the RIFE machines on the market truly built to the origional specification?

If not does it matter? Any electrical engineers around here that would know?

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Q: "Is the plasma generator the same type that Anthony Holland was using?"

Yes. A Plasma bulb is what he demonstrates here. This bulb is identical to an EMEM5 bulb and while he does not explain everything, what he says early in the talk is the same as with rife . . . the pulsing, etc.

http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/Shattering-cancer-with-resonant

TED Talks

Shattering cancer with resonant frequencies:

Anthony Holland at TED x Skidmore College

17 minute video - Added Jan 10, 2014
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Spooky 2 is an attempt to make Rife affordable to the world. John White, the founder, is a genius with a charitable bent. I don't think he sells the product to make much if anything.


I still have my lyme and co infections so I cannot say I have had great success with it, but I keep trying. The introduction very soon of the plasma bulb may be the real breakthrough,

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Keep me posted patches, I'm very interested in the new tech considerings the results are demonstrable.

Keebler thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

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quote:
Originally posted by SacredHeart:
Are any of the RIFE machines on the market truly built to the origional specification?

If not does it matter? Any electrical engineers around here that would know?

The gb4000 with MOPA tube is the closest machine to what Royal Rife worked with. I know of a couple of people from this forum that were able to put lyme in remission with it.

Bergy who post on the rife thread at times put his wife into remission with it and Juli who use to post here put lyme and coinfections into remission also. Julie started a Facebook group called rifing lyme so it would be easier for newbies to go into files and read all of her tips and notes.

She also shows used gb4000 for sale on ebay when available where one can get a used one for sometimes up to 1/2 off on her FB page.

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Cool, thanks for the info JarJar.

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FYI, this is from the Spooky 2 forum:

Royal Rife’s original plasma machines applied frequencies directly to the patient. He wished to make his circuits more efficient, so he employed Philip Hoyland, a radio engineer. Hoyland was very concerned that the frequencies Rife had discovered could not be patented. He turned Rife’s system into a radio transmitter so the healing frequencies could be obscured.

Radio transmitter circuits are electrically efficient, but are not ideal for treating people. Most of the power is wasted on a frequency that does nothing. Only a tiny percentage of the power is useful.

People who use plasma devices today are not using a “Rife” machine. They are using a “Hoyland” machine. Philip Hoyland’s desire to conceal frequencies back in 1936 set the foundation for all future system designs.

The revolutionary Spooky Plasma is the modern equivalent of Royal Rife’s original machine. A system designed to heal. Not hide.

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Thanks patches, good info. =)

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Again this was just written by the Spooky founder and inventor:

Are any pictures available on this site? Will this system be compatible with the tubes used on the Ralph Hartwell SSQ systems? Or will the tubes be a proprietary design that will only work with the Spooky Plasma machine. Will Bill Chebs be designing the tube?

Sorry for all the questions, just curious and excited at the same time.

Answer. Photos of the final stage beta will be coming soon. A bit more work is needed on the plasma head. The main unit and electronics design / firmware is completed.

The tubes are not proprietary on purpose but we have designed Spooky Plasma to be extremely safe, so the design is quite different from existing systems.

There is a flexible conduit carrying a very low voltage signal to the tube. The tube is made from polycarbonate plastic. The stuff of bullet proof screens.

A tank can run over the plasma head without damage to the plasma tube. There is no risk of electrocution.

There are 2 computers on the main board. 2 high quality oversize power supplies. Full over-current and over-voltage protection.

There are 2 coil outputs; a high power sharp pulse (80 uS) and an analog output which will pass any waveform.

The Alleva coils pass 11 amps in very short bursts. This provides a very rich set of harmonics.

Theoretically, a pulse of close to zero duration contains all frequencies. Kind of like the MWO. The shorter the better. Even though the coil passes 11 amps it is cold.

Please be patient while we do the finishing touches. We have already achieved the impossible through superhuman efforts and vision of many people.

We have overcome the limitations of other systems by following the original concepts of Royal Rife, not that other guy.

Other plasma systems have a maximum modulation of 400 kHz and a fixed carrier frequency. We can directly pass a frequency from 100 kHz to 3.5 MHz and modulate this signal up to 1.7 MHz if desired.

Imagine the ability to directly apply the BXBY waveform using plasma. 2 cancer frequencies directly applied by plasma.

You can also use lesser systems to drive our Spooky Plasma, like the GB4000 or F165. Any signal generator that can run above 100 kHz will work.

If you wish you can use an MP3 player to modulate this signal. The input protection circuitry allows any input voltage from 3.3 volts to 20 volts.

We do not use a tank circuit. No balun. No tuned cable length. No overheating electronics. This means that for the first time ever, a plasma system can directly apply Spectrum or Spectrum Sweep, a much more effective means of applying multiple frequencies simultaneously.

You can of course go back to the old fashioned system of fixed carrier and modulate that if you wish. But why take the bus when you can fly?

The future is Spooky!

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(breaking up the post for easier reading for many here)

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So they are really still tweaking the system then? Do they have any microscope video evidence yet?

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Of the machines that were built under Dr. Royal Raymond Rife’s direction, only three remain.

GB4000 with MOPA
The manufacturers have an unsurpassed reputation. They make the only Rife machines today that remain true to Dr. Rife’s design and specifications - and even improve on them. They offer two configurations, both of which are true Rife. Their products are the only machines recommended by CancerTutor. Can be ordered online or by phone.

From my research the gb4000 and MOPA is the best choice.

http://www.delusionalinsects.com/styled-40/styled-32/styled-33/

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So the Hoyland (and Spooky 2) is like the EMEM 5 A, correct?

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Cool, thanks for the link. Pricey. I hope we come into some money soon. =)

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You can get the EMEM 5A for less than $500. It's worth at least a thousand.

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Cool, maybe I'll sell the juicer I got. It is so time consuming. I'd rather just eat a bunch of greens. I don't seem to get much juice out of greens even though it is a masticating juicer.

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quote:
Originally posted by SacredHeart:
I'm sick. I have two kids, and a wife. We are going broke. I can't afford something that isn't really built to proper specs.

I am super wary of RIFE machines. Ive read a little about them, but I just don't know that I would personally spend the money on them, because I really don't know if they have validity or if its just a placebo effect going on.

But then, harnessing the placebo effect is an effective outcome. The mind is absolutely involved in the disease process.

I paid $5,000 for my IV treatments. I would do it again even if it was only making me 'think' I got better!

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What kind of IV treatments did you get Maia?

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We are using rife and find it very helpful.

The frequencies for muscles-to-relax is one I really like.

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quote:
I am super wary of RIFE machines. Ive read a little about them, but I just don't know that I would personally spend the money on them, because I really don't know if they have validity or if its just a placebo effect going on.

But then, harnessing the placebo effect is an effective outcome. The mind is absolutely involved in the disease process.

Cancer is not healed by the placebo effect!!!

I know 2 people personally who had terminal cancer- one was given 3 months to live, the other 6 months. Both did radiation treatment AND WERE STILL DYING of their cancer. Both then used a rife machine. One was healed in 3 weeks, the other 3 months. Both had very in depth follow-up, and the one was actually opened up. The one opened up had only scar tissue where the tumor had been.

COMPLETELY CURED! Not a trace of cancer, and both are still alive and well several years later.

Maybe it's time to put your thinking cap on Mai. You're starting to sound like a troll on a couple threads.

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quote:
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Maybe it's time to put your thinking cap on Mai. You're starting to sound like a troll on a couple threads.

Oh please, Grow up.

I wish Lymenet was more inclusive of differing viewpoints. Ive actually thought of leaving to the better facebook groups, because people here are rude to anyone's skepticism or differing ideas. We all come here to learn.

I'm not convinced on rife machines so far, and I am not going to believe the ridiculous assumption that MMR vaccine causes autism. If that makes me a troll, then I'm glad to be a troll as they seem to have at least a grasp of healthy skepticism and science.

There is no evidence that a Rife machine can cure cancer. Even Andrew Weil is skeptical of them. That doesn't mean they don't work on some level. But many people do get better from cancer against the odds, without spending over $500 playing with electricity.

The mind is a very important component in healing chronic illness. This is an interesting read on placebo's and the mind body connection:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/06/26/how-doctors-can-ethically-harness-the-placebo-effect/#.VNfPoC4YGSo

I have a friend that does frequency zapping. I think its ridiculous, but to each their own. It makes him feel better.

I would not pay for a rife machine, but if I came across one and was desperate, sure, I would try it with an open mind. I've decided to pursue targeted antibiotics, and herbals and exercise. I am also doing yoga and meditation.

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quote:
Originally posted by SacredHeart:
What kind of IV treatments did you get Maia?

Zithromax, rocephin, and flagy.

Oral Zithromax, and ceftin.

I was recommended IV lipids, but I am doing them orally instead. Was told I could also try lipids in a coffee enema.

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Oh ok, I thought maybe you were doing some other stuff through IV other than antibiotics. I'm not at that point yet. May end up there though.

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SacredHeart,

Rife machines definitely help some people more than others. But, just because they help some more than others, doesn't make them ineffective. I feel the reason for that is the differences in machines, and because some people don't use the correct frequencies for the pathogens inside them.

It is a lot of experimentation, but so is taking ABX. I'm definitely not against ABX, but even if one gets help from ABX, it is money you cannot recoup. With a rife machine, you have an investment that you can always recoup.

I can assure you that it is not "just other variables at play" that happen to coincide with improvement. Rife machines really work. True belief comes from knowing someone personally that has beaten a chronic or terminal disease.

I would ask local lyme friends if anyone has experience with them, and do some trial sessions to see how you respond before investing the money. There are absolutely no side effects.... except maybe herxes. There are no "black-box warnings" that I know of (pun intended). The only caution I have is to do short sessions at first to see how you respond. But, that is a caution for all treatments, whether conventional or alternative.

From what I have heard, BCX Ultra, and GB4000 with MOPA are the top machines. Bryan Rosner's books are good places to start if you are new to the treatment.

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quote:
I know 2 people personally who had terminal cancer- one was given 3 months to live, the other 6 months. Both did radiation treatment AND WERE STILL DYING of their cancer. Both then used a rife machine. One was healed in 3 weeks, the other 3 months.
Unfortunately this is anecdotal. Was it the Rife or the radiation, or the immune system? Or a combination?

I also know of stories of people who stopped their cancer treatments for rife, and died shortly after. Why didn't it cure their cancer?

I am a full adherent to the mind-body connection to healing. Sometimes, what we have is too powerful to combat, which is where modern medicine comes in (and herbals).

At this point, no one could convince me whether or not Rife works in principle, or works because people THINK it's helping, or if they were getting better for other reasons.

Therefore, I wouldn't spend an arm and a leg on it. But if it was my last option? Sure, I would do it. Or, if I got ahold of a good quality one for cheap, sure, I'd give it a go.

But just as there are unscrupulous doctors, there are unscrupulous purveyors of all manner of rife and zapper machines. The original poster wants to know if it is a scam.

My advice would be, some people really believe in its benefits, but watch out for imitations and too good to be true testimonials. Go for it if you have nothing else. Might make you feel better until better drugs and therapies come out.

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quote:
Originally posted by SacredHeart:
Oh ok, I thought maybe you were doing some other stuff through IV other than antibiotics. I'm not at that point yet. May end up there though.

Not yet. My viral load is pretty high right now. Epstein bar, mycoplasma. My immune system needs a break from those drugs anyway.

I took oral ceftin for a month, see how that goes.

I am doing byron white drops now. My biggest problem is residual pain in my nerves, like the lyme got released from its hiding place and is causing inflammation still. I don't know if this is what they call PTLD or not.

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quote:
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I know 2 people personally who had terminal cancer- one was given 3 months to live, the other 6 months. Both did radiation treatment AND WERE STILL DYING of their cancer. Both then used a rife machine. One was healed in 3 weeks, the other 3 months.
Unfortunately this is anecdotal. Was it the Rife or the radiation, or the immune system? Or a combination?

I also know of stories of people who stopped their cancer treatments for rife, and died shortly after. Why didn't it cure their cancer?

I too, "know of," or, heard of, people with cancer not getting well with rife, but those stories were the people that waited until they were practically dead (from what I have heard) before trying rife.

Hearing and knowing are very different.

BUT, I KNOW two people PERSONALLY that after their conventional treatment, were STILL diagnosed with terminal cancer (present in their bodies) that then ONLY used rife and a liquid vitamin product and are still alive and well now, and have medical proof that the cancer is gone!

Rife definitely works. Unfortunately lyme and coinfections are very difficult to eliminate. But there are people on this forum that can attest to its effectiveness even with TBD.

I'm glad to see you are willing to take Byron White Herbals, Maia. I hope you don't look on their website, because it may convince you it's hocus pocus. They don't have the science text to prove it works. [Wink]

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I was getting lots of liver pain from the ABX. about 3 1/2 years of different ABX. Twice I had to stop my ABX and before my enzymes
came down to where I could restart the symptoms became very pronounced and disabling.

I looked for a used GB 4000 with MOPA and found a TrueRife unit for 1/2 price. It had been used once and works very well for me. I am upping my treatment times each week.

I have Lyme, Bart and CPN. The CPN symptoms were the first to go. The only other way I could get rid of the CPN cough was ABX. I now treat with a CPN sweep daily and cough maybe 5 times a day instead if 20 times an hour.

The CPN improvement has encouraged me to significantly increase my treatment times.

After I stopped the ABX I went heavy Cowden and Colloidal Silver. However the cough did not dissipate until I added the rife treatments. I have just recently added CBD oil a week ago.

Spooky 2 is a good priced unit and the software to drive it is excellent. Patches is right, John is amazing and so incredibly knowledgeable. If dialing a frequency that can penetrate the body to kill cancer cells, virus and bacteria can be turned into a low cost solution I think John is doing it.

I was just lucky to find this barely used unit for a good price. Next week I look to start sleeping with a TrueRife component called the Hammer. I think it would compare to a MOPA like treatment component. I think the extended kill time will provide significant benefit. And yes I am treating while I write this!!!

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quote:
but those stories were the people that waited until they were practically dead
Isn't that a convenient rationalization though? I read about a man in Seattle with testicular cancer who refused surgery and instead underwent a year's worth of treatment with Rife and then died. Hulda Clark died from multiple myeloma so I am not sure that is a good selling point either.

Raymond Rife maintained that cancer is caused by bacteria and his machine could detect the microbes by the color of the auras they emitted. But cancer is not caused by bacteria (only stomach cancer via H. Pylori). Now people claim the device created vibrations that are supposed to "re-enliven" the p53 gene in order to cure cancer, hard to follow that one.

Rife was able to get some amazing pictures of microorganisms well before electron microscopes were created. The idea behind MOR frequencies sound plausible as high-energy electromagnetic fields Do treat cancer, its called radiation therapy as well as radiofrequency ablation and microwave ablation.

A rife machine or zapper seems more primitive, they have low level radio waves or tiny electrical impulses. I'm not envisioning them being powerful enough to kill tumor cells or disrupt genes. If they were, you certainly wouldn't be able to have one at home.

My problem with Rife for Lyme is that Rife could not be patented, hence correct frequencies and the exact mechanism of operation is still unknown. Rife machines today are different from those created by Rife and likely do not match his output frequencies.

Borellia had not been discovered when Rife's associates were establishing MOR's for various pathogens. In order to find the frequency that kills Lyme spirochetes, you would have to observe one under a real Rife machine, trying millions of different frequencies to observe at what frequency the bacteria would disintegrate or stop moving. Since Lyme is slow growing and difficult to culture, it would take years of your life.

Something I doubt Mr. Bryan Rosner himself has done. So yes, I am a bit skeptical at this point that anyone has found the frequency for Borellia. Until that is done, I think it is distracting people from pursing treatments that would help them.

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I'm glad to see you are willing to take Byron White Herbals, Maia. They don't have the science text to prove it works.
Pharmaceutical drugs work because there is an underlying natural pathway. Aspirin itself was derived from botanical material. Herbal remedies have the benefit of high dosing without the toxic effects. Of course, not all of them are effective as no ones bothered to study them all, since you can't patent nature.

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Rife said a virus was responsible for the cancer he found, under the microscope. He never said it was the sole cause of all cancers. Many decades later,science discovers HPV virus causes cancer. A little late in coming.

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Hpylori is a spirochette infection also...thinking about doug coils?

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I have used the GB-4000 first for treating Lyme,Babesia and Bartonella. The Babesia is gone and has been for several years.

The Bart may still be there, but if it is there are no symptoms at this time.

The lyme is still there but causes little in the way of symptoms. It is greatly reduced.

Its really not an either/or proposition.
It seems whenever an alternative treatment method comes up it either is a complete fraud or it works spectacularly.

It depends what you are treating, how long you treat it, what infections you have, how many you don't know you have, if the device can reduce any particular infection, what device you are using, age of patient, immune fuction, etc.

There are lots of variables involved.

If in doubt buy a used or cheaper machine that has a history of working. An EMEM is strong enough to kill a lot of Lyme and are not super expensive.

Use two Lyme frequencies that work exceptionally well. 2016 Hz and 840.6 Hz
Rather than running the 100 or so Lyme frequencies for short times, Run the most effective ones longer.

Do not start with long runs. A couple of minutes and work up from there.

There is a depth factor using these machines. It takes a longer run time to get the deep infections. I will run for an hour or longer for some infections. Of course an infection that is limited to the blood does not take as long.

It is the single and only treatment I use for Crohns disease. The results of the disease came close to killing me once. If I had a more effect option, I would use it. I have tried more conventional methods. If they would have worked, I would be using them.

Its not a cure all, it's not a scam although there are scammers involved with them like anything else.

It works exceptionally well for some pathogens, not as quickly or as well for others. Borellia is by far the toughest one I have dealt with. Its not a quick fix, but it's quicker than it was ten years ago due to the frequencies used.

Some get much better others do not. One person recently found out ALS was involved. She steadily got sicker even though she treated lyme. That is much of the problem. You may have Lyme or another disease. You may have Lyme and another disease.

Its not simple or easy for every person. Disease is not always simple.

Everyone one will not get better, some people will. Just like any other treatment.

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A lot has been done to discredit powerful and useful treatments in history.

I would trust MORE anecdotal stories than FDA 'proved quack' stories. Or even medical papers, financed by pharma corporations.

A good way to know is simply: try and test yourself.

But do it seriously.

I cannot just say abx don't work because I took just one abx a couple of times, right?

Many people test once a Rife and says it doesn't work.

I wonder...

I found a Rife frequency for a skin cancer for a medical doctor (a neuro-surgeon from Poland). He had all tests done by conventional doctors: cancer for sure.

After only a couple of applications of one single frequency (2, or 3 times), his skin cancer disappeared.

He skyped me to show it fully gone. He did no other treatment. He's a medical doctor HIMSELF.

He's still very much alive, and was part of this forum years ago. His lyme also went dormant with many treatments, including photonic.


Yes, this story is anecdotal. But for me, it's more than proof that Rife works for some people, for some types of problems. Could that be placebo? Well, anything can be.

There are many too many people in this forum that swear for Rife.

Dr. K. uses Rife frequencies (same pathogen frequencies) in his own devices of microcurrent, I mean, the devices he helped designing to treat lyme and co-infections.

He's been using that for decades.

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It is real, not a scam.

The trouble is that since it is not accepted by the mainstream, it has not been studied, so the best methods for use are unknown. We are operating in the dark.

We are stuck with trial and error, perusing frequency lists that may or may not have any merit, and depending on testimonials for info. If we had any idea what we were doing, these machines would become the first line against many infections, and our dependence on abx would plummet.

Still, even with this knowledge gap, many have improved using these machines and gone on to get their lives back, with a small handful becoming completely well.

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Do you have to be OFF of antibiotics for Rife to work? Or can it be done in conjunction with treatment?
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You can use it along with antibiotics. My wife has used natural antibiotics on occasion and I treated her with frequencies at the same time.

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I wanna believe... gonna try a gb 4000 with mopa ...i am wasting away here and dont know if i should try it all or am i going to fast...want to stop damage asap...it is on heart and head ...can it penetrate beter than abx with out toxicity? If it doesnt work and i slip i will be disabled soon... should i do orals and rife ,or straight iv then alternatives. ...i see people that do months and dont get better ,then some swear by rife...
no more muscles ...can muscles grow back?

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Look into BX https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFZXr2fsJaI
http://www.bxprotocol.com/deltascience.php

also, I cured my Lyme, Bart and mycoplasma with Rife delved with photonics light. heres my story:

I had Lyme Complex Disease, diagnosed by dark field live blood analysis in its chronic form. You could see the spirochetes and cysts under the microscope. I had been bitten at least 6 months previously but had no rash or fever.

I had also been bitten a couple of years previously for which I did have fever and did take doxycycline for 20 days. I don’t know which incident caused the active Lyme.

Symptoms that drove me to the doctor again were severe fatigue, shortness of breath, horrible joint pains, memory loss and prone to collapse... and a lot of other lessor symptoms, also.

I devised my own treatment protocol. I used colloidal silver (NutraSilver) for 3.5 months. I found this effective also for blood born candida which was seen in the blood analysis.

I used Marcozyme enzymes to break open the cysts and applied the silver one hour after the enzymes 3xd. Separate the enzymes from all food. They must go directly into the blood.


At week 7.5 no Lyme was not seen in my blood any longer. I still felt ill and had Lyme symptoms although, improved. Not seeing Lyme is not conclusive that it is fully gone.


I was able to cook dinner now at least.
I also had Bartonella symptoms. At this point at 7.5 weeks I added Rife treatments using the GB4000 with MOPA amp. It took me a good 7.5 weeks to find a used Rife and have it shipped from Canada.

Google GB4000 with MOPA. I developed a set of frequencies to use with the assist of others who had effectively treated their Lyme with Rife.

From the day of diagnosis I also treated with Ozone RI, VI, ear insufflation and Sauna. I did VI daily. The others mixed daily though out the week.

The ozone really helped me to feel better on a daily basis but I could see after a time that this protocol was not curative.


I used coffee enemas for headaches from detox and chlorella to help bind detox poisons. I also used Barlow's LDM - Lomatium dissectum extract to boost my immune system for the first 3 months.


In the beginning I had severe jaw, gum and tooth pain and it was actually an issue months before I knew I had Lyme disease. MMS mouthwashes eliminated this in short order.. maybe a week or two.


Because Lyme runs down the immune system so drastically on my second blood exam lots of parasites were seen in the blood. I treated these with Barlow's parasite tincture called Clarkia and felt much better after about 2 weeks, although it gave me quite a head ache for the first 5 days from detox.


By the beginning of the 4th month I still could tell I had Lyme but it was much better. I was now traveling and able to keep up. I also had to treat for Bartonella which could be seen in the blood also.

My doc said that he couldn't be sure if it was Bart or Babesia but my clinical symptoms directed me to Bart. Colloidal Silver did not help with the Bart as the symptoms continued over time while on the silver, but the shortness of breath did improve somewhat in the first few months which could have been a reduction in Lyme or Bart. Bart attacks the RBCs more so than Lyme does.


When I started to focus on Rife frequencies for Bart it went away in a few weeks. Bart needs to be treated twice a day due to its replication rate.


As Bart and Lyme got better other symptoms that I had from the start got much worse, to the point of really painful. This was confusing to me. A friend suggested that I give mycoplasma frequencies a try.

This appears to have cured it so I am assuming I had mycoplasma. The frequencies are generally pretty specific per pathogen. Mycoplasma symptoms for me were restless leg, swelling in the lymphatics on inner thighs and groin and sharp stabbing pains in the thighs.


I am quite well today without the use of any conventional antibiotics.
I would not trust ozone therapy to cure Lyme. I know a lot of people who use ozone for Lyme and reports of cure are far and few between and I'm even skeptical of those.

Perhaps if you could do DIV 3x a week it might work but you would have to do it for a long time I suspect. Lyme replicates at least twice a week but the cysts present other issues.


Because Lyme and their co-infections are so mysterious I still rife once a week. I don't want any back sliding, but I have considered myself cured now for the last year. I did Rife treatments intensively for at least one year, totally leaving behind all the other stuff at 4 months.


These are the frequencies I used:
Lyme: 612, 2016, 432, and 840.6 which is believed to be specific for the cyst or some other more difficult form.


Bartonella H.: 832 (and I always run it with the Lyme group even if no symptoms) you may have Bart. Q. so test for that.
Mycoplasma: Group 1 = 688, 690, 880.2, 254, 642, 644, 660, 690
Group 2 = 864, 986, 2,900, 688, 690, 880.2
Starts the sessions for only a couple of minutes each..

In a short time I was running them for 30 to 45 minutes each on carrier wave 3.300
My total cost for my treatment including the Rife Machine ($2,800 used from Craig’s list) was $3,400. I will never give up my ozone and Rife machines.


Hope this is helpful to you.

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If an infection like babs or rmsf or virus have no cell wall per say is it still possible to shatter them with frequency to death...does the cell they are infected in die as well...?

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There are likely many mechanisms involved other than breaking a cell wall.

I treat mycoplasma pneumonia and it is more difficult to eliminate, it can be done. Often, all you have to do is weaken the target pathogen somewhat and the immune system will do the rest.

I don't know if an intercellular infection and its treatment results in cell death or not. If it does, it must not be a big issue for the body.

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I've been to a scalar wave seminar here in Germany.

A few medical doctors have been using a combination of Rife or homeopathy or frequency generated frequencies COUPLED with a scalar wave device.

Medical doctors with experience with Rife and frequency-generated rife frequencies (recorded in a memory stick, or mp3 player, if I understood it right).

Someone even had a Spooky 2, and is going to couple it now with the Scalar Wave device developed here in Germany.

From experiences of these medical doctors, they affirm that Rife does work, it does not penetrate as much as they should, and the frequencies (or energy) is not always beneficial. But it works.

They are using now not direct Rife, but they are saying scalar waves will send Rife frequencies MUCH DEEPER and milder to all tissues of the body, with much better results.

They are not really commercial people selling devices, but university professors (physicists) who work with pure university research.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
The EMEM5A is pretty effective.

If you are interested in Rife, I would purchase Bryan Rosner's book on Lyme and Rife Machines.

Can you tell me how is it very effective? Are you cured by it?
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Has anyone been cured by rife machine? If not, I tend to believe it's a scam.
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My GB4000 works for me. I've used it for 6 years. I've been off all antibiotics for 6 years.

I have about 7 pathogens. A good treatment for most of those is about 2 hours. Even 2 hours doesn't hit them all.

I have H.pylori (i assume) and the rife treatment works on that pretty well, i think. I read from Jeff Sutherland that the rife tx for H. pylori is one hour. So i treat for one hour about once a week. This eliminates some symptoms that i used to get, like vomiting and feeling nausea in my head.

For H.pylori, a sample treatment is i run 676 for half an hour, and then 67600 sweep to 67650 for 15 minutes, then 5 different frequencies in a group for 15 minutes; these are 676, 2167, 728, 880, 2950. Or i run these frequency choices for different proportions of time, adding up to one hour.

A two hour time block is a lot of time! I often don't have that much time, so i treat as long as i can and then just have a few slight symptoms such as woozy head (mostly from candida, i think, and other fungi), slight eye or ear pains, or an infrequent Babesia attack. I often spend 30-50 minutes per day running candida frequencies.

I also have the PE-1 red light device, which helps.

So the GB4000 works, but doesn't kill everything 100% . To me, it's a miracle. I'm endlessly grateful that it keeps me alive and well. I'd be in bad shape without it.

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I purchased both the GB 4000 and later the Spooky 2 after learning about how you can use it remotely at a workshop at a Lyme event. The unfortunate thing about the Spooky 2 is that the instructions are very complex. I feel like you have to be an electrical engineer to be able to operate it correctly. However, it appears to really work when hearing what those with success report!

I have struggled to understand how to use it and find the GB 4000 much easier to operate. I am thinking of purchasing the MOPA to go with it so I can use it hands free in my home while I am free to do some other things.

I am not sure it is the placebo effect or not, but with the GB 4000, I have noticed some calming of my symptoms including reduced tinnitus. So for that reason alone, I want to keep it.

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http://voxpopulinews.net/dr-anthony-holland-and-the-future-of-medical-treatment/

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Has any one had experience with truerife f117?

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by D Bergy:

"It seems whenever an alternative treatment method comes up it either is a complete fraud or it works spectacularly. "

Amen! Ain't that the truth!

I have a new attitude towards Lyme treatment now. If it may help me and I can halfway afford it and it's not likely to cause harm, then I think I'm willing to try it. So I think I may try Rife. The GB-4000 is expensive but I can swing it. Especially when compared to the cost of continuing on my current course... hardly cheap either... those co-pays really add up.

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Has any one eradicated viruses with rife ? Like hsv or ebv cmv?

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Brussels, I have a scaler panel that I attach to my gb4000 to run individual freq and love it. They sell them here in the states.
Use my MOPA for sweeps and auto channels.

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I stopped my wife's Shingles running the Herpes Zoster frequencies. I haven't had any experience with the viruses you mentioned.

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Thank you dan i think its time to invest in gb4000...is it worth it to get mopa with plasma?

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Has anyone noticed if pets feel the MOPA too while treating their owner's lyme and co infections?

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Sorry, I am just clueless about rife. I forgot to ask, if you can also use a scaler panel with ENEM5A?

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Where can I get the GB 4000? I can't take these antibiotics anymore.
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quote:
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Q: "Is the plasma generator the same type that Anthony Holland was using?"

Yes. A Plasma bulb is what he demonstrates here. This bulb is identical to an EMEM5 bulb and while he does not explain everything, what he says early in the talk is the same as with rife . . . the pulsing, etc.

http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/Shattering-cancer-with-resonant

TED Talks

Shattering cancer with resonant frequencies:

Anthony Holland at TED x Skidmore College

17 minute video - Added Jan 10, 2014
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Hello,

I'm dealing against Lyme disease, me and my family. I tried abs, buhner, doug coil... I'm still stuck.

I saw a comment from you about the EMEM machine? Does it worked? Could you give me your opinion of it?

Any info would be usefull.

Best regards.

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joecheagaray,

There are replies in the other threads where you posted today wit this question.

Yes, Rife works. However, it is not simple. Each person has a totally different "case" really and there are many variables.

Yet, bottom line, yes, Rife has helped many reclaim their lives over time.

It requires figuring out which frequencies are the best . . . knowing that rife should only be done every 12 days for lyme but that other coinfections can be done more frequently.

If you have a doug coil, you may not need a rife. See what the folks in the discussion thread might say about that.

Best to go to the Rife Discussion thread . . . and see other links here, too.

If you don't find your answers, you might start your very own new thread with "Post New Topic"

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=117755;p=0

RIFE Machine - Reference LINKS
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I started rifing because I met several people that were recovering with it. One of the advantages of living in Lyme central I guess.

You do, however, need to use the correct approach. For myself and others I have met, this means treating far more frequently than the every 2 weeks described in Rosners book.

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For those like me living below poverty level, Spooky2 offers the Lyme Rife frequencies on YouTube and IME, when listening it really can be felt. I have no idea if it works yet, but I listen every morning because it's better than nothing.
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Klutzo - Any update on the spooky 2? I am interested in this machine and wondering how you rate it? Please!
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