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ohioperson22
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So, the constellation of symptoms that results from thickened blood, the consequent sluggish circulation, and--separately--capillary leakage...

What can be done about it? Is this something that should go away with treatment?

1 month into doxy, fatigue and orthostatic intolerance are MUCH better. However, neuro symptoms (a topic all by itself) and thick blood feeling--specifically the latter--are worse than ever.


Anything besides taking an oral "enzyme"?? (basic biology tells us that most proteins ingested orally will be digested in the stomach and small intestine. Enzymes are proteins.

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Prickly Ash Bark can be very good as a support.
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No links set for that but a few file notes below. Prickly Ash Bark is in many supplement formulas for lyme / TBD.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Prickly+Ash+Bark

PubMed Search

Prickly Ash Bark - 5 abstracts


http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/a/ashpr077.html

Botanical article


http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/important-herbs/prickly-ash-bark-zanthoxylum-species.html

Prickly Ash Bark

From: THE ONE EARTH HERBAL SOURCEBOOK


Then you can search what LL herbalist authors write about it and then talk to your LLMD or LL ND about it. Never add this before talking with your doctor - and be sure they know all the Rx you are taking, for any reasons.
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HAWTHORN can also be very helpful for circulation support.
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Be sure to get as many of the books you can by Stephen H. Buhner. He explains SO much about how these infections do what they do and what we can do to in the way of support.
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Also, in Buhner's book, "Natural Treatments for Lyme Coinfections - Anaplasma, Babesia, and Erhlica" on p.161 , he gives a list of Herbs and Supplements to use for Severe Intravascular Coagulation - if that's what you have. You might

Want to search the Internet for info on Babesia and blood thickening. I've read about it somewhere but can't remember where.

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I use Krill Oil, ginger and Turmeric for blood thinning and all the other benefits.

I know it works because I had some extensive surgery and the surgeon commented that " everything he sewed up seeped". It wasn't a problem but he said it was unusual.

I hadn't taken the supplements for a week beforehand either.

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Here's an article on hypercoagulation (thick blood).

Dr. C on Lyme and Hypercoagulation
http://drcharlescrist.net/hypercoagulation.html

I was told to take serrapeptase or buluoke.

There's also a fibrin monomer test which and another one (can't remember the name) that reads the actual thickness of blood.

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Systemic enzyme like judie says on empty stomach...i do know bee venom and dan shen have helped with my thick blood

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Coincidence or not.......I had a very large DVT while treating Lyme Disease. Went from my calf to my stomach. Not fun! However I was also on low dose hormones; and it was discovered I have May Thurner Syndrome, basically a constricted vein.

I was told my blood was thick when admitted to the hospital. I stayed on Coumadin for two years, then went to one adult aspirin per day.

I would advise taking something to thin your blood as there are several reason why having and treating Lyme can thicken your blood.

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I'm buying turmeric/curcumin.


And going to do red wine a few times a week too, to thin the blood.


Eh, my D-dimer was normal... when my lyme must have been raging, with no treatment.

I am, however, going to order my own clotting studies.

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ohio, good luck boosting your immune system with the wine thing.
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Well, I'm not immunodeficient. And six-eight glasses of red wine per week is not going to destroy the immune system.

But that's just me. If not having wine helps people feel better, then all the more power to them!

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From p. 27 of Burrascano:

"CERTAIN ABSOLUTE RULES MUST BE FOLLOWED IF LYME SYMPTOMS ARE TO BE PERMANENTLY
CLEARED:

1. Not allowed to get behind in sleep, or become overtired.

2. No caffeine or other stimulants that may affect depth or duration of sleep, or reduce or eliminate naps.

3. Absolutely no alcohol!

4. No smoking at all.

5. Aggressive exercises are required and should be initiated as soon as possible.

6. Diet must contain generous quantities of high quality protein and be high in fiber and low in fat and carbohydrates- no simple carbohydrates are allowed. Instead, use those with low glycemic index.

7. Certain key nutritional supplements should be added.

8. COMPLIANCE!"

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ohioperson22
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Like I said, a couple red wines a couple days a week will not suppress the immune system.
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Bioflavonoids, like rutin, help to tighten up

vessels. That can be found in the pithy part of

citrus. Horse chestnut does the same thing. You

would have to check to make sure it does not

interfere with your blood thickness situation.

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Cyruta Plus by Standard Process is good for capillary leakage too.
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I kinda agree with tf ,maybe reservatol from red wine or japonese knotweed maybe better...? Thank you look up

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Two reasons for heparin therapy.

1. It thins thick blood when Lyme biofilms, etc. exist. (Aspirin does not work for this purpose.)

2. Heparin coats the red blood cells to prevent Babesia organisms from entering and destroying them, and from multiplying. Heparin can be put in a transdermal cream by a compounding pharmacy to avoid daily injections, or delivered thru IV line. Approximately $40 month for the compounded cream.

"Treatment with various concentrations of heparin showed complete clearance of the intracellular parasites."

https://sites.google.com/site/marylandlyme/symptoms-information/heparin-hypercoagulation

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Alcohol shuts down the detox process completely.

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I like wine too OP.

I actually tried to get away with this in the beginning [Smile] .

Believe me, when you're treating Lyme you'll lose interest in this idea completely. I still miss it but once all the drugs got in me and I started killing spirochetes I couldn't touch a drop even if it was waved under my nose.

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Good to know about the heparin thanks tincup...alcohol in tincures has been ruff with tinidazole. ..

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No kidding, blue, kills me every time. I had to stop.
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