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daystar1952
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I have been looking into why I have vertigo, ringing in the ears, jaw crunching noises, off balance, ear popping when swallowing, tooth pain that wanders around, left eye twitching...etc. It all brings me back to the work of Weston Price and how our modern jaws are not big enough for all of our teeth and as a consequence our bites are not normal.

Chewing and talking with a bite that is off causes overproduction of substance P which causes inflammation. I also heard in the video I will post the link to below that in one dentist's opinion, 95% of Lyme patients have TMJ disorders.

He also says that substance P allows the lyme spirochete entrance into the cells. Supposedly getting rid of substance P from different reasons and sources (including TMJ or bite misalignment) will help a person to heal.

The process of fixing the TMJ problems has to be done right or it will fail. Dr Dwight Jennings has several videos but here is one where he is interviewed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CJZi9EEaw&t=47s

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Lyme "eats" our cartilage in the joints.

My jaw was "fixed" by Dr Nick, DDS .. see You Tube.

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TMJ can be a sign of decay at the root line. It did not show up on my xray. I had a small cavity at the end of my tooth but once my dentist started drilling it opened up a bigger issue and not just that tooth. Once it gets to the root line it spreads, so clearing all that out, getting crowns solved the TMJ.

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Very good info from Dwight Jennings!

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Yeah, I had TMJ problems and went into physical therapy for it, but going on abx and treating co-infections like Babesia took it away.

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I have had TMJ problems since I was in HS. I finally went to an otho specialist and had it fixed. It included wearing a retainer to move my jaw, then braces. It's much, much better, but it will still flare up because of the permanent damage in the joint.

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My former chiropractor used to fix my TMJ by using an arthrostim, a hand-held device that taps at 12 times/second. He would sit behind me, ask me to open/shut my jaw, jut it/pull it back, and he would tap lightly on the head/jaw bones that were out of place.

It's part of the the Koren Specific Technique and there is an organization for the arthrostim.

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What is TMJ?

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Temporomandibular joint - where the jawbone meets the temporal facial bone - where we chew/talk.

Like when I had no clue what was going on, I suddenly woke up with a jaw that didn't open! I was told to contact an oral surgeon, and he made me a splint which kept the teeth aligned and no more jaw muscle spasms.

It was due to lack of magnesium, which the bacteria use up for their reproductive needs. Mg is needed for the cellular ATP energy cycle. If we don't have enough, our muscles get stiff and go into spasm. We all need to take some form of magnesium.

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Neuromuscular dentists have special high tech equipment to be able to accurately measure a person's malocclusion...jaw trackers...etc. Many patients with movement disorders, headaches, ringing in the ears, dizziness, off balance, eye problems,pain in teeth, ADD, sleep issues, issues with strength in limbs....etc etc...can be helped through neuromuscular dentistry.

With many people, the chiropracter can help but often the TMJ comes back because the person's bite is off...due to accident or just being born with not enough room for the teeth, and /or not a wide enough jaw. In short malocclusion cannot usually be fixed by a chiropracter.

So....if you have been treated with many antibiotics but can't seem to get rid of certain weird symptoms, I would highly recommend an evaluation by a neuromuscular dentist. They are the type of dentist with the special equipment to diagnose and treat this problem properly.

Robin...do you still wear the splint or did the magnesium take care of the problem?

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Here is a somewhat long video but a great explanation of how TMJ can affect us. Other videos show Parkinson's, dystonia, and Tourettes also being helped by TMJ orthostics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3Kys5KI6O8
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Bb also very often causes severe magnesium deficiency. Magnesium deficiency will cause nerve "firing" to go haywire and create all kinds of muscle tightness. That also creates BRUXISM (clenching & grinding of teeth, often even in deep sleep) which can really destroy the jaw joint.

Many Rx also deplete magnesium. Check everything you might be taking in that regard, too.


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FELDENKRAIS - look up their help for TMJ education as far as body mechanics / ergonomics and training goes. Very specific and very helpful to me.

More specific than yoga, much more specific.

BIOFEEDBACK training with a P.T. was also essential to helping me "feel" correctly how to use my jaw and how to rest it, too. I really needed the SOUND of the biofeedback machine as the irritation sound told me my muscle and nerve tension was too much and absence of that tone told me when I was in the right position.

It took about 6 training sessions to figure that out yet the skill really stuck with me - at least during hours when awake.


VITAMIN C is also key. There is a risk for those with lyme of developing SCURRY and that can destroy jaw tissue, too. Many don't eat citrus fruits

(and IMO, too many kinds fruits are avoided in hopes of curtailing candida but many fruits can still work, with caution as to amount and timing, with other foods and in presence of anti-candida herbs such as olive leaf extract)

However, though, be certain that a top form of Vitamin C is in good measure every single day as well as fiber and antioxidants found in most fruits.

All I suggest is in addition to direct assertive treatment for lyme &/or whatever other infections might be along for the ride.
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Thanks Keebler! That Feldenkrais looks interesting. I will check into that. The neuromuscular dentists that fix a congenitally malformed jaw also want you to do physical therapy and posture stuff. I agree that Lyme and say lack of magnesium can cause TMJ in some people.

I also think that the theory is possible that chronic lyme can be encouraged by people who have congenitally malformed jaws that don't have enough room for their teeth. All people who have had braces also have the potential for the jaw being in the wrong position. When we have to move our jaws into a certain position in order to chew , speak and swallow, it creates the inflammatory Substance P which can cause systemic inflammation throughout the body.

It is also postulated that substance P opens up the cells and allows the lyme spirochete in.Before the industrial revolution people were born with enough room for all of their teeth. The diet of the parents determines the jaw structure of the child.

Also if a baby was not nursed...that also sets people up for malocclusion. Most dentists don't recognize the position of the jaw when fixing a bite...they only look at the teeth.Here is another excellent video where Dwight jennings gives a presentation about how many or some of our "lyme" symptoms could be attributed to malocclusion.The things is that if one's bite is off, TMJ can be helped through physical therapy, etc but it will keep coming back.Thanks everyone for your input. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK7iGyBNROk&t=1037s

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