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Brussels
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No immunity is gained from antibiotics.

The next bite will bring again lyme.

The dr has an interesting view on lyme treatment.

He treats patients that have already gone through antibiotic treatment.


http://www.homeopathicmd.com/2013/06/chronic-lyme-disease-questions-answers/

I particularly don't think classic homeopathy heal lyme, but I do agree with his view about limits of antibiotic treatment.

I also do not agree with him concerning nosodes. They were extremely helpful in my case.

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I agree with this in my case. I believe I am one of those that antibiotics did more harm than good. Antibiotics only took me so far and after that I never saw any improvement. I probably got about 60% better with them but kept at it for years more hoping to get to 100%.

I wish I had know this years ago, because I feel if I had just worked on my gut and healing I might have been better off.

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It's never too late, Pebles!
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My husband is getting ready to start a 4 week IV antibiotic treatment. What can we expect? And how can we prepare for it?

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Just 4 weeks is next to nothing compared to what people here do, meaning YEARS on abx.

If he never did abx and believe it may help, I would still go and try.

Some people do get help from it.


I wanted to believe in the past, but it turned out that abx damaged our gut in a way that it took us years to heal.

Abx anyway is just a temporary solution, even if you take it for years.

The reason is that, in the end, it is your immune system that has to kick in and deal with the rest of infection that is left (abx never kills everything).

We've been constantly bitten by ticks, every single year.

So for us, abx cannot work, or we have to live with it forever, as we get bitten from about March to September ever year.


The main problem for us: it is hard to do one week of abx, how could we live on abx forever?


Another problem: we already have many food allergies (improving with time, but slow improvement), abx will only make worse.


Still another problem: lack of mineral and nutrient absorption due to damaged gut. Very bad, when you are super thin like us, and very bad when it is a child (growth).

bones may get weak, skin, nails, hair, you can get muscle loss (like we have). It can be a bit scary, I mean, long term.

Food allergies only make the problem worse, so, when I think 'abx', in our case, I try to think more than twice and try any other option first. Abx for us is really the last thing to try.


Another problem with abx: I'm fighting candida for about 30 years already. I fear candida, it can be handicapping, when it is really strong.


So I refused to keep on trading lyme for more candida.

Candida, in my experience, is even more stubborn than lyme. Harder to get rid of, even though it is less dangerous, in my opinion.


So we can't see abx as a solution for chronic disease. Not long term.


But short term, we did give a shot in the past (about 9, 10 years ago).

Since then, we use abx only in emergency situations.

That means, about once every 3 years for me.

And for my daughter, that has more gut symptoms than I have, she stopped abx for good for at least 8-9 years or so. She never took a single dose ever since.

She suffered too much already, we're still trying to heal her gut.

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Preparation for abx? Loads of probiotics.

It won't really help tons, but it is better than not taking them.

and I would already be reading about what to do next, after abx.

Like diet, infrared sauna, photon treatment, rife, cavitation, chelation, hyperbaric chamber, acupuncture /osteopathic massage / cranio sacral, whatever treatment that involves strengthening of the immune system.

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I have considered seeing this Dr. in the past as he is located not far from me, however, his articles are filled with numerous accounts of misinformation regarding LD.

"only about 1% of Ixodes tick bites will result in actual human infection"

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I don't know anything about this doctor, sorry.

I used classical homeopathy for decades, and so does my family. Last years, we stopped though.

I do find it is supportive, but a hard-classical doctor is too stiff, in my opinion. I still went to see my classical homeopath for treatment during lyme, though.

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I don't know how expensive and useful this dr is.


You could try his approach with other types of treatment, combined?

that is what we did: classical homeopathy with other schools of homeopathy (for symptom relief, nosodes, Heel, Sanum approach).

But certainly, lyme is not ONLY an infectious disease.

It is also an disease caused by weak immunity, other factors than tick bites.

Our ticks here in Switzerland do not get cleaner with the years. On the opposite.

Now we are even in red zone for FSME, lyme encephalitis. My daughter once caught it. A mortal terrible infection.

Despite that, tick bites are now mostly harmless for us. So something has changed inside our bodies, I believe.

That is why I posted this article here.

treating the bite (injected pathogens) is just a tiny part of a treatment, in my opinion.

We are all frightened to death from pathogens, bacteria, viruses.

Despite the fact that our bodies have more bacterial cells than our own!

10 times more 'them' than us, for healthy individuals!!

Treating bacteria, viruses without considering that they are more us than we, humans, is something that will take decades to come down in medical practice.

Whatever toxic are ticks, we who fall so ill, have other problems than simply 'infections'.

Treating viruses the way is done by MDs, is damaging our own proteins, as viruses are proteins, basically.

Anti-virus = anti-protein. Dr. Rau from Paracelsus often talks about that.

Anyway, I think classic homeopathy is another tool to help chronic diseases. It is not a sole approach (according to our experience), but I think it helped us.

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It is hard enough to get rid of Lyme and co-infections with antibiotics. If anyone thinks they can do it without, good luck with that. We started getting positive results with antibiotics right away.
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'Right away' is the exact right expression.

Most of us have experienced 'right away' improvements with antibiotics.

The problem comes AFTER that 'right away' experience.

Suppose your 'right away good improvement' lasts a month, 2 months, a year...

Then after the years, despite multiple abx combinations, iv, cyst busters, biofilm breakers, whatever, you are still very ill....

Just suppose that, because some of us have been through LITERALLY years of treatment.


Never denigrate Grandma remedies and alternative approaches before you have gone through the humbling experience of chronic diseases and treatments.

That's just my opinion.

Or just wait for next tick bite, or the news that other biting insects transmit lyme.

You can believe abx will heal all those lyme relapses, re-infections, or even a single infection from a single bite, if you stay your whole life on antibiotics.

As you can believe that reinforcing the body's immune system is also another alternative to be free from lyme treatment one day, IN SPITE of new bites and new re-infections.

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One of the most mind-limited ideas people have is that:

- drugs are stronger then herbs or Rife or alternative treatments, such as homeopathy (that is considered like a joke)


Herbs that people with lyme are taking are not like baby teas or coffee.

Have you ever tried coptis? Or andrographis? Or artemisia annua? Japanese knotweed? Cats claw?

These are powerful stuff.

If you ever read any of Buhner's books, you may change your view of herbs.


If you keep reading what people share, after years of lyme treatment, you realize that each alternative treatment has a place in itself.

Oxygen chambers, Rife, homeopathy, infrared saunas, PEMFs, physical exercises, high voltage plasma devices, photon treatments, yoga, acupuncture, chiropractic massage, diet, fasting, bee venom etc...

Haven't you ever heard that a certain herb or supplement gave someone THE herx of their lives, that no single - or combined - abx gave in the past?

Or that a certain Rife frequency could finally eliminate one infection that no abx before could?

In my case, it was homeopathy that closed the book of lyme RELAPSES.

I could reach remission, but after stopping treatments, I relapsed, on and on. Until I did photon + homeopathy.


What about tuberculosis? Today, they recommend a combination of 5 different abx for tuberculosis, and no warranty of success.

If you ever had active TB, like I had during lyme disease, you'd rather think twice about that blind belief on drugs, because I swear that I tried to use all possible treatments.

It was not multiple abx that healed me, but an homeopathic nosode!


Drugs have also their place, but they are not exactly supporting health, long term: drugs, by definition, are short term helpers.

They can only help you out temporarily, buying time for the body, saving you from emergency, but they do not build health up.

Unfortunately. It would have been so fast and simple if drugs were all we needed!

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