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Quick theoretical question for bio photon fans. I just received my PE-1A and am running through
a Spooky2 detox program before I start treating with Nosodes and bio-photons, but something
just ran through my head that has me confused about the whole premise behind bio-photons.
I've read on these posts that blood nosodes are the most intense and therefore are used after
all other concentrations have been addressed etc...
But if near and far red/infrared penetrates tissue to get deep in our bodies, carrying information of the frequencies of pathogens it passes through, then why
doesn't it automatically treat our blood as a blood nosode? If the light is travelling
through our blood, why does it matter if its in a vial outside of our body versus in a vein
inside our body? Shouldn't all our pathogens be addressed just by the mere use of one of
these devices?
For the record, I'm not trying to debunk or debate. I'm excited by the testimonials I've
read and heard and am eager to hopefully heal a bit myself, but I do like to rationally
understand what I'm doing if I can. Especially since minimizing doubt seems to be beneficial
for progress of any kind. Thanks
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Hi Steve, your questions do have some logic, no worry.
I don't think anyone knows the whole science behind that, specially because we are talking about homeopathy and nosodes, that have no back up from conventional science.
Basically, nosodes are water for them.
And frequencies are just placebo (rife, spooky,....).
The first thing to know is that the treatment with nosodes + infrared is NOT an INFRARED treatment, but a NOSODE treatment.
You could drop the infrared, if you drank all those nosodes, and/or injected them IV many times a week, under your tongue, the way homeoapathy is used.
The nosodes is what you want to treat lyme, not the infrared. Infrared is a mere carrier of the information.
Take off nosodes from the solar plexus, there won't be any strong improvement in lyme symptoms. You can try and see for yourself.
If you only drank nosodes, instead of photooning them, you would need a more fixed schedule of intake (maybe 6 times a day for lower potency nosodes),
... and if you inject them IV that would work similarly too, but probably you would need daily infusions in the beginning, then lowering the frequency as the potency rises.
It's much harder than photooning, and still less efficient in my opinion.
The infrared is just a carrier of information. It is not the treatment itself (in case you use it in conjunction with nosodes).
Of course you may use it alone, pulsed, and it will help for many other problems, but don't count lyme! Lyme won't go out with infrared only (at least, not for bad chronic cases).
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Biophotons do exist, cells do emit these coherent laser-like emissions, that's hard core science already accepted.
What researchers are discussing now is what are these biophotons doing, what are the functions of biophotons?
Prof Popp thinks it has to do with cell communication.
The hard-core science ends there.
Further on, it is more like trial and error type of science. The one that NASA has been doing.
They did loads of experiments with infrared, such as 660nm, 880nm wavelength infrared effect on cells, tissues....
For some reason, these experts have discovered that some wavelengths are helpful for repairing cells, even help healing cancer cells, etc
There are loads of papers on that, specially to enhance health of astronauts...
This is just one I found now. You can ask Larry about more, I'm sure he's got quite some.
anyway, it's all based on trial and error, more than science, even if NASA inspires some 'seriousness'....
Germans have used laser to transmit information of nosodes or homeopathics for quite some time (that I have knowledge through self experience, more than 15 years ago, but it can be even more).
Dr. K is a fan of that laser-transmission, and I even have his 'device' here, and used it before I found infrared.
In the US, there are practitioners using the so called Laser Detox or something like that, that is basically that : they send the info of homeopathics through laser, that is swept on the body of the patient after passing through a nosode or homeopathic vial.
The patient does not ingest the homeopathics, but take the homeopathic through laser.
There are other methods to try to transmit the information of nosodes exist in the Germanic speaking world:
This company uses Dr. Ludwig's first PEMF device, a bit improved, to transmit the information of homeopathic products to the patient through pulsed high voltage (PEMFs).
It's not new either.
Infrared is just another carrier modality. As I have used laser for some time before I tried infrared, I can assure you that infrared is a much better carrier of information.
I had drunken nosodes before I found infrared, and never got such a deep healing effect. The information of the nosode went to my body, but healed a bit.
when I did not drink, but photooned it through infrared, that did the trick: it was as though the whole nosode information came inside, and outside, through my bones, inside my brain, spine, organs, everywhere.
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There was lady from this forum in the past, that is now treating lyme patients, that also used the PE1 with nosodes to treat herself. Decades of lyme suffering for her, and all her children were sick.
She treated herself to try and see.
She said that the whole house started herxing. Her daughters were herxing too, without getting the treatment!!
What she understood by that, is that she became a walking Borrelia nosode herself.
If infrared boosted the low-level laser-like photons coming from the cells, and IF these photons do have the function of cell communication as Popp thinks (and dr. W too), well, that makes sense.
The photon field of a person goes out of the body, expands in a fashion like people describes aura.
Or if you don't believe in aura, there are Kirlian photographs showing light around the bodies of people, that is purely a physical phenomena photographed.
Whatever these colorful lights mean, we don't know, but if they do transmit information, that is maybe a reason why other people around you, living in the house, may get treated simultaneously...
So in that sense, it matters little how deep infrared penetrates or not.
You're just using infrared to boost cell's light energy.
the solar plexus is a chakra, a place with greater amount of light coming out.
Picture the photons passing through the nosodes in your solar plexus, and expanding to the whole photon field around.
Laser is bidirectional (the info comes and goes simultaneously in two directions). I wonder if coherent light found by dr. Popp is not the same (I don't remember if I read about it...).
The lady healed from long term chronic lyme with the PE1 + nosodes too, and that has been about 8 years ago, like myself, Sixgkids...
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If you are interested, there is also Prof Meyl, who has developed an incredible device using Tesla coils to transmit information to the body of a person.
Prof Meyl is a physicist, and published many books on scalar waves. There are practitioners using his transmitting device all over the world, even to treat severe cancer patients.
The treatment is very simple: the oncologist puts the patient in between two big coils, and uses patients cancer cells in vitro, still alive.
Like from urine of the sick patient. As he is already in metastasis, cancer cells are found everywhere.
The machine is off, the urine vial on one of the coils. Then the oncologist puts some drops of chemio on the urine vial.
They know, by laboratory experiments, the exact time cells will start dying in vitro.
So they wait until that moment comes, when cancer cell apoptosis happens, to turn the machine on.
The patient only sits in between coils for a few minutes until all cancer cells in the urine vial (in vitro) are dead. Then they turn off the device, the patient goes home.
Only by being in the field between two big Tesla coils, the patient got his treatment. Pure information treatment, with cancer cells dying.
That death-cry from those in vitro cells are amplified (the info is probably in cancer cell photons) and sent to the patient 'field'.
Prof Meyl thinks his device works through scalar waves (not photons....)... But as no one can measure such scalar waves, it's hard to prove either....
Anyway, some patients come to the next session walking, not more on wheel chair barely able to talk or move!
All science can do today, is experimental, but it is still fascinating.
I don't know. But based on what I do know about the placement of the nosodes or blood on the solar plexus is that it gets the attention of the immune system because it's in the energy field of the body.
So, if the immune system doesn't take notice of these pathogens inside the body, there's something about it being right by the solar plexus that makes it take notice.
Otherwise the blood wouldn't be stronger than the other nosodes because it would have been being used all along. In my experience, switching to blood was tough. Also, the more blood I used (as in a few drops vs an actual small vial), the more difficult it was.
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Oh, thanks Six... I forgot to answer about the blood nosodes.
Well, first idea is to treat using Bb nosodes, to reduce the load of Bb.
Photons are just carrier of the Bb nosode informatino.
Then when that is done, treat the rest: blood nosodes contain not only one pathogen, but possibly many others and other problems too.
So using the blood as the 'information' will be more overwhelming than Bb nosodes.
That is how I see the treatment. It has nothing to do with penetration of infrared...
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Good luck! I hope it works well for you! I think your assessment of why the blood has to be outside the body is pretty much correct. I don't fully understand it either, but I believe the same.
Dr. W believed the time off from it was as important as the time treating so he had us treat only twice a week. If you feel toxic, take the time to address that. The photons only made me feel better.
And drink a lot. He had us drink a liter of water while we were using the bionic (it took an hour, the PE1 is for less time) then he gave us a detox iv with fluids afterward.
Keep us posted!
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Steve, since nosodes are killers, I would stop the killers of any knd (herbs or chemicals) for the same pathogen. example if you are treating with Borrelia nosodes- I would stop Andrographis, etc. I guess the support supplements are OK to take.
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I Just did 15 minutes of d5,d6, and d8 with direct frequency at level 6 with the PE-1A. I did all of Dr. W's 10 points, then did all of brussels points, and started back on Dr W's and got 75% of they way through a second cycle when the machine timed off. I've decided to stop taking binders since it's what Dr. W recommended, but I'll keep them on the table if I start herxing badly.
Also, now that I (think I) know the protocol, it clears up the original question I had on
this thread regarding blood nosodes and bio photons. You never shine the light through the
nosodes. I was under the impression that you did. I thought that was the whole point. If it
was, my question about blood nosodes would make sense, but since it isn't, my question made no
sense. Many thanks to Brussels and six for humoring me in my misunderstanding.
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It's a totally different mentality using physics to heal instead of biochemistry, so your misunderstanding is, well, understandable!
Dr W says not to do the thyroid points if you're hyperthyroid. And we did do twice a week, no more. It is true we had detox/mineral IVs immediately following. He also had us drink a minimum of 1 liter of water during treatment.
He taped all the nosodes together and had two stronger vials that he said were the bacteria in the middle.
I hope you're feeling good after the first treatment. It just felt very weird to me after that first one. I remember sitting in my apt and just thinking how weird I felt. I never really herxed from the treatments, though maybe a little when I started the blood back home without the detox IVs.
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I was definitely peppier with photon treatment. After 3 weeks in Germany (six treatments), I came home and the next day went to my son's football game starting when he had to be there.
Usually my husband would take him, then come back and get me when the game started, and I'd leave partway through. I hadn't been to a game since I got sick, yet after photon treatment for less than a month and during my monthly flare with jet lag, I went for the entire game.
After 3 weeks, Dr. W wanted us to take a break. He said breaks were as important as treatment because it gave the body time to do its work. Not long, I think I only took a week off because I still needed it.
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Steve, it is always like that with photons. Right after the treatment you can feel more energetic due to the photons effect on your body , then next day - herx come.
I don really understand Dr W idea of not taking binders. I take it. I can't even imagine how miserable I would feel during Herxes without binders. You absolutely need to remove the toxins.
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I found by the time it was time to treat again, I was feeling bad again. The photons would make me feel better, but by the time a couple days had passed, I really felt I needed it.
We'd treat twice a week, so we'd have more days waiting over a weekend, and that was always harder.
If I remember right, I stopped having that happen as time went on except maybe during my month off. He wanted us to take a month off to let the body heal.
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Thank you both for your input. I felt better the day after taking the charcoal. Again, I'm not
sure if that's the reason or not, but I'll keep an eye on things after my next treatment and use the charcoal or magnesium if I feel down again.
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I would take binders without a single doubt.
Chlorella is not even chemical, it's a plant, like you take whole bunches of lettuce at once (I feel one tiny coffee spoon of chlorella has even more powerful effects than 1 lb of pure organic uncooked fresh spinach leaves).
It makes zero sense to me that a doctor would tell you NOT to take antioxidantive foods like fresh veggies and other things because they clean the body... and instead take oxidative stuff (??)...
Like choosing white sugar to natural organic forest honey?
No, for me, it makes zero sense. I would go for a high anti oxidant diet the moment I feel any trouble, avoid all oxidative stress (such as of toxins in the lymph and blood) because that is the only thing that makes sense to my brain.
I hope you'll survive without binders, but as I said, I would not risk myself.
Note that dr. W's ozone infusions help to both kill and CLEAN the body. We are not taking these ozone infusions.
And it is not true that he does not give substances to help CLEAN the body, as I heard he gives IV homeopathics such as LYMPHOMYOSOT and Hepar Compositum, which are EXACTLY aiming detox.
I think it's dangerous to play with antimicrobials of any sort without binders, because I already had the experience before.
The harm loose toxins do to a body (organs, cells, nerves) is much more scary than Borrelia pathogens, that only do slow harm. These toxins feel like poisoning the brain, liver, kidney, cells, GI tract, and I would simply bind these off my body.
You have the PE1 and nosodes at home. Suppose your treatment goes slower if you take binders (I don't see the logic on that, but suppose this could be true).
What would you lose? Just re-do everything again, at a later time. You have already everything at your hands, right?
I would clear the toxins, and as soon as you feel energetic again, go back to the PE1 and re-do the same potencies you did already.
If you feel no reaction, you just re-do it again on a higher potency (to D30, for example).
When you reach D60, you'll surely feel something, so go slow. Once a week, like running a marathon, not a sprint, slow wins the race.
Good luck, Steve!! Take binders or super potent antioxidants like Megahydrate or whatever your body can take. Watch your KIDNEYS carefully, as kidney cells grow VERY SLOW and any damage you do there will take you as long as damage to the brain.
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I just wanted to follow up belatedly in case people wonder if biophotons and nosodes helped
me. Well I had no response positive or negative which confused me. But, I recently
got an appointment with the best Lyme literate Doc in GA and his contention is that I don't
have a current infection. My immune issues and hormone imbalances may have been triggered by
the initial lyme infection and just stuck around after my immune system got rid of the
lyme infection. Anyways, I just wanted to follow up in case
it'd be useful information for anyone else trying to figure out if they want to try it and
were wondering if it worked for me. Sorry I can't give a more relevant experience.
I definitely want to thank all the wonderful
people on this forum who shared their experiences and time trying to help me.
Especially you Selma. You went way out of your way for a stranger from across the world and
I'm forever grateful to you. Best of luck and lots of happiness to all of you!!
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How in the world did her determine you no longer have lyme, as there is no test for that other than lots of time with no symptoms, and then still, it might pop up again.
Always have a critical eye. I don't know that there is always a reaction. And by the way, I did biophoton therapy with Dr. W. in Germany. I lived in Switzerland at the time and would drive over there for treatments. Every person's experience was different.
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quote:Originally posted by lymewreck36: How in the world did her determine you no longer have lyme, as there is no test for that other than lots of time with no symptoms, and then still, it might pop up again.
I've gone 9 years with no symptoms. I do nothing for Lyme anymore. I do eat right and live a healthy lifestyle, but more because I want to be healthy as I grow older than as a treatment for anything.
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Many people do not develop lyme, even though they harbor the bacteria.
If you enter a room with flying flu viruses by millions, why is that some catch the flu, while others don't?
There is no magic protection in our nostrils against flu viruses.
They WILL go inside the mucosa, and try to get a grip there, in all noses breathing the same infected air.
But NOT all will fall ill.
It's not the pathogen that cause illness. Not alone, at least.
In my opinion, no pathogen disappears COMPLETELY after any treatment.
They all just stay there, under control, in dormant forms or acting in slow motion.
If you guys read more about Enderlein's theories you'll understand that pathogens come and go, depending on the milieu.
They do not keep stuck to one form, they change, go dormant, get awaken, reproduce, cause problems (or not), then go dormant again, and they all change in multiple forms (that's what they call pleomorphism).
That is why their idea is to try to bring them back into less active forms, bring them back to be protein molecules instead of active destructive pathogens...
Only your immune system can do that.
Once with Bb, forever with Bb, like what happens with most pathogens (candida is the same, herpes too, right?).
But Bb is NOT synonymous of lyme disease, the same way that a flu virus is not synonymous of the illness we call flu.
Just think of herpes or Hepatitis C. These pathogens stay with us forever, once there, forever there!
But does it mean the guy has active hepatitis C forever? active herpes forever? Active candida forever?
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