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lYME WIPED OUT BY VITAMIN C

"One case in particular stands out.

A woman suffering with severe and debilitating Lyme disease had been seen by many doctors and had not responded to several courses of antibiotics.

Her health was rapidly failing and her husband called Dr. Levy.


The woman was immediately infused with 100 grams of Vitamin C and within just two hours of treatment here husband reported that she looked 50 to 60 percent better.

Over the next two days she received five more 50 gram infusions of Vitamin C, and by hour 72 she was completely well.

That was nearly two years ago.

She has since suffered no relapses, nor is there any indication of a chronic infection. "


"Anecdotally, I have had the occasion to clinically cure a case of acute Lyme disease with three days of intravenous vitamin C therapy.

Whether this is readily repeatable, or whether a chronic case of Lyme disease would respond as well remains to be seen.

At the Colorado Integrative Medical Center we are now initiating a combination of therapies including those mentioned in this newsletter to see precisely how much success we can have on a regular basis with this particular disease.

We are presently accepting new patients at this time who have this condition and are looking for another treatment option."

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" My Lyme symptoms started two and half years before it was finally diagnosed correctly following a Western Blot Lyme test.

I tested positive for Lyme disease and tick borne disease coinfections Bartonella and Rocky Mountain spotted fever in September 08.


Prior to being diagnosed with Lyme disease I was referred to Psychiatrists and Pain Management Specialists none of which even considered my symptoms could be Lyme.

....
It had gotten to the point where I couldn’t write my name in cursive because I had lost dexterity and/or communication from my brain to my hands.


I was referred by my primary care physician to a Psychiatrist that prescribed the following medications over the course of the two plus years of undiagnosed Lyme: Klonopin, Buspar, Lexapro, Effexor, Paxil, Cymbalta, Xanax XR, Xanax, Trazadone, Zoloft, Valium, Prozac, and Zyprexa.


All of these medications individually had their own side affects which further contributed to incorrect diagnosis of my symptoms.

In addition to the Psychiatrist over this period of time, I was also referred to several Pain Management Specialists from Anne Arundel Medical Center to Johns Hopkins for the nerve pain radiating from my Pelvic area down my left leg.

The Pain Management Specialists administered 15 different nerve blocks to include blocks administered through my back under x-ray.


In addition to the nerve blocks they also performed a procedure to burn and deaden the femoral nerve so that it would not transmit the pain any longer.

All of these injections were risky and extremely uncomfortable.

In addition to the nerve blocks the Pain Management Specialists prescribed the following pain medications over the same 2 plus year period: Methadone, Opana, Opana XR, Oxycontin, Vicodin, Percocet, Elavil, Neurotin, and Lyrica.


As you can imagine the great mimicker Lyme disease together with the Psychiatric medications and pain medications sent my overall health in a downward spiral.


Upon the successful diagnosis of Lyme disease, I was treated by an Infectious Disease specialist who inserted a Picc Line in my left arm and administered 30 days of Rocephin.


Upon conclusion of the 30 days the Picc line was removed and the Infectious Disease specialist considered my Lyme treatment over.


I was still experiencing all of the same symptoms and he suggested I go see a Psychiatrist.


I didn’t feel I needed a Psychiatrist at this time and after doing our own research I went to a Lyme Awareness Doctor at the National Integrated Health Associates in Washington DC.


The Lyme Awareness doctor immediately began oral Antibiotic treatment that had me on no fewer than 3 antibiotics at the same time.

Over the course of 9 months of treatment by the Lyme Awareness Doctor I was on: Doxycycline, Rifampin, Azithromycin, Flagyl, Levaquin, Bactrim and others that I can’t remember at this time.


Hind site being 20 – 20, all of this time I was developing a severe stomach infection (Candidiasis) and lost weight from 170 down to 127 lbs.


I was following the doctor’s orders directly for increased probiotics and diet and was placed on Diflucan on several occasions over the 9 month period to treat the stomach infection.


All the while my stomach infection was getting worse and I was now almost completely unable to eat.

Feeling I was at rock bottom a friend of mine who was successfully treated at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute told me of a new IV therapy with mega doses of Vitamin C that was showing promising results for the treatment of Lyme.


I was unable to eat, had lost 43 lbs., and was experiencing all of my symptoms at their highest point.

My wife contacted Florida Detox and Wellness on a Friday morning and we were on a plane on Sunday.

During my first appointments at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute.

I was extremely weak, couldn’t eat, my immune system was completely shot and as I mentioned earlier I was at rock bottom.


Florida Detox and Wellness Institute immediately ordered brain chemistry and major blood work and began administering IV Therapy with mega doses of Vitamin C.


During the first week of treatment I received 4 rounds of IV therapy and by the end of the week we were going over most of my blood work and adding mostly natural supplements to aid my fighting the stomach infection, battered immune system and brain chemistry issues.

I returned to Florida on two more occasions and have received 19 rounds of IV therapy.


My natural killer cell count which had remained under 40 during 9 months of Picc Line and oral Antibiotic treatment was now 464.


The Lyme Awareness Doctor’s that treated me with all of the antibiotics wanted this count to be around 180 before they would cease treatment.


With 19 treatments at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute, I had achieved and surpassed the goal of 180 to a high of 464.


Most of my Lyme and stomach infection symptoms have subsided and I plan on continuing treatment at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute for additional IV therapy and adjustments to my brain chemistry to help address anxiety and Depression symptoms.


I hate to think of where I would be if I had continued on the oral antibiotics and not sought out treatment at Florida Detox and Wellness Institute...


After having used over 1000 hours of leave and missing the last 4 months of work I have now returned to work part time working my way back to full time.


On 9/30/09, he reported, ” I am dramatically improved from when I first visited Florida in June.

I still feel I have a ways to go but I think the majority of my issues may reside in the anxiety and Depression arena.

I would love to knock out that last positive under band 23 while I continue to work on my brain chemistry and associated anxiety issues.”


12/11/09 Steve reported he is working about 6 hours daily, but the tachycardia which developed with his Lymes infection continues and he is scheduled for an echocardiogram on 12/15/09.


His heart rate is often over 100 beats per minute. After meeting with his cardiologist, Steve reported, “My heart is structurally and physiologically sound.

There are no blockages, it is the right size and it is operating normally.

However, the heart monitor revealed that my heart rate is normal until I reach early morning.

The monitor recorded a high of 158 at 7:15 a.m. on Tuesday. I was still in bed at this time.

There was a pattern of high heart rate in the a.m. and then leveling off as the day goes on.

There were also isolated instances of rapid heart rate at different times throughout the day. “

Toprol, 50 mg BID, lowered his pulse to normal range, but he experienced nausea and discontinued Toprol.


Two Hawthorn capsules daily have lowered his resting pulse to about 100, without side effects and he was asked to increase the Hawthorn dosage.


On 3/8/2010, Steve submitted a whole blood sample for testing by Central Florida Research.

Their highly sensitive Borrelia Burgdorferi Direct Fluorescent Flow Cytometry test revealed Steve tested negative for Lyme Disease.


On 4/18/10 Steve emailed that he is playing golf again and has returned to work full-time.

On 10/12/10, his wife emailed

'Steve is doing fantastic and is back to work fulltime and has his life back.

I haven’t seen him this happy in along time!

He is still taking lots of your supplements and the toprol for his heart but has his life back ,playing golf every week.

He never thought he would ever play golf again.

I will NEVER be able to thank you guys enough for what you have done for us.

Steve is a new person, thanks to you! I hope you all are doing well. We think about you often and talk about you all the time because people are always asking about how he got better.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of sick people with LYme here in our county with lots of woods and deer around everyones house."


Steve's story from
Steve's lyme helped by IV Vit c

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Hi Group,

I want some very high quality Liposomal Vitamin C.

You probably will be surprised at this--but I haven't taken vitamin C in years. I know I need to very much. I'm mad at myself for skipping vitamin C.

So can someone recommend some Liposomal Vitamin C which is either a pill to swallow or a liquid which tastes good. I had some once which was a packet of orange goo which was supposed to be flavored orange but it tasted like jet fuel! Taste is very important to me!!!!!

Thanks,
Zeitgeist

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Oh... I only know about Mercola's Lipo C in pill form, but I haven't heard good reviews about it...

I produce my own, and it does taste awful (very acid, like vit C shall taste).

I'll try to look around for you, ask in the lipo C group. Give me a couple of days to find out.

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People are suggesting to drink Lipo C (from ascorbic acid) with a straw OR to produce liposomal C with Sodium ascorbate (practically tasteless).

that could be one way to try?

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My last recipe of liposomal vitamins / minerals.
It tastes much better than only liposomal C.

And I do not react with insomnia like I do with pure liposomal C.

My daughter is in the USA now for the next 2 weeks, so that is what I prepared for her (but I'm also taking it).

50 grams ascorbic acid (Vit C)
15 capsules Magnesium (citrate, that is what I got)
16 capsules Selenium (natural source)
6 capsules B-Life Protect (HPU supplements with zinc, B6, manganese)
17 capsules Niacin (B3)
40 grams of maca powder
4 dropperful of CBD oil
5 dropperful of cilantro tincture
3 droppers of concentrate D3
(I would add about same amount of K2 if I had home, but I haven't got it now....)
2 teaspoons of honey
230 ml of water
75 ml of vodka

(I tested the mixture energetically, as many things do not 'combine' well).

I blended it all for about 5 minutes

Then added 70 grams of lecithin and blended for about 5 minutes more.

Then sonicated the whole thing for about 40 minutes.

It acts as Lipo C (joint cleansing /pain, sinuses feel cleaning from inside, etc), but it does not excite me as Lipo C does.

Lipo C alone causes me anxiety.

Daughter and I take 4 teaspoons of that liposomal mixture. Then we take CoQ10 and Iodine.

In the evening, we take fish oil or krill oil with chlorella (because zinc, cilantro, vit C do mobilize heavy metals). And that is all.

After reading about teeth health, I'm thinking about cod liver oil.... Still wondering if I'll take it or not, due to heavy metals....

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I just realized my candida/fungal infection that comes every year, didn't show up so far.

It is snowing here, so we are 'theoretically' in winter.

I also realized that curcumin is antifungal.

I take both Vit C in liposomal form and curcumin + spirulina in liposomal form (in days on and off), not the same day.

This new mixture above is new, to substitute my pure Lipo C mixture (that I take for months, but that still causes me anxiety).

And also to fit winter time better (with vit D3...).

I should be covered in candida by now, but I don't even see candida showing up.

I also take fermented veggies (kimchi), but I also did this in the past, but it was not ENOUGH to put my 3 decade old candida dormant in winter months.

I always get back candida in autumn and full blown candida in winter (Dec, Jan, Feb).

So far so good.

Chronic candida, that is seasonal for me, is my last BIG health issue, that started 30 years ago.

In the last 20 years, it messed my life for at least 6 months a year (sometimes less, but sometimes more, till 9-10 months a year).

I want to believe this is due to my liposomal experience, but only spring will tell!!!

In spring, I'll know if I went through winter WITHOUT antifungals, anti candida homeopathics.

If it happens, I can only conclude it is due to lipo C and other lipo mixtures I'm taking DAILY, for the last 6 months.

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Article about advantages of liposomes

" Conclusion

1- There are many potential applications for liposomes in the food industry, ranging from the protection of sensitive ingredients to increase the efficacy of food additives.

2- Due to the fast degradation of essential oils, they tend to lose their antimicrobial and antioxidant properties, that’s why liposomal encapsulation is a perfect alternative to avoid these problems and delivery them in a better way.

3. Liposome encapsulation provides multiple benefits to essential oil properties, when they are used as antimicrobials to have an effective control of certain pathogenic microorganisms in foods."

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Yes, liposomes protect essential oils against degradation, help to deliver them in a better way, and still, act as effective antimicrobials!

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I'm at the klingh... institute making a course (Germany), and many of his products start to be in liposomal form.

The institute is also selling a product of liposomes so that people can add anything (andrographis, herbs, whatever you imagine possible) to it and create your own liposomes.

I can easily imagine what is inside this product because I produce my own liposomes... It's all in this thread, open to anyone.

But practitioners doing the course have no idea!
There are medical doctors, all sorts of practitioners, most never heard about liposomes!


There is a huge difference in intake of anything alone or in liposomal form.

Few people are using it here too.

I see huge possibilities to treat very stubborn and drug resistant pathogens such as Babesia (duncani specially), Bartonella or mycoplasma.


And also for people with gut absorption problems (I guess about 100% of chronic infection patients have gut problems because pathogens colonize the gut anyway....)

... who try to fill in their nutrition deficiency with supplements and everything else.

Most of it get lost or attacked by stomach acids or enzymes, when they aren't encapsulated in liposomes.

This liposomal revolution is right here, inexpensive, available to us now.


you can also choose to buy ready made products for about 10 to 100 times the price of ingredients.

I met some practitioners again, and they told me I look different (skin is clear, more healthy in a way).

the only thing I'm doing new are liposomal products.

Whatever: the revolution is somehow already happening. It's just a matter of time (or urgency) that will push more people into the liposomal revolution.

I'll keep my experiments, now adding more food items (as I react better with complete food, fruits, than with chemical supplements).

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Craig used Liposomal C to fight lyme.

Look at page 321, 322 and other pages.

He also made use of other liposomal products such as lipo EDTA and lipo glutathione.

The logic he used for healing is very similar to what I think works for lyme: intense rotation of treatments, never stay stuck on one single type of treatment because the bacteria adapts.

And also, because you need RE-BUILDING your body as well.

Reversing chronic lyme disease by Craig Bruner

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