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Crazy celery experiment, made me lose 3 hours this morning in the limbo.

After re-reading the new Celery book from Anthony William, I came to realize that celery is a biofilm breaker.

Anthony does not employ the word 'biofilm' in the book but he explains that celery juice goes in the gut (small intestine) and dissolves the mucus there (that was built up from oils we eat).

When it dissolves the mucus, it uncovers many bacteria hidden behind that mucus, so that celery can then finally reach the bacteria directly and kill them. So he says.

Well, to my understanding, that is the definition of biofilm: mucus, thick mucus, sometimes very hard even, that is build up by bacteria (good and bad bacteria do that) so that they are protected from the microbiome and from the immune system of the host.

Dr. K. says some biofilms cannot even be cut with a knife on a board in a lab, so hard they are!!!

These microbes have evolved for so long, so they DO know how to build good castles of protection for their survival - biofilms.

Behind these biofilms, colonies of 'good' and 'bad' bacteria can develop in peace, so to say.


Biofilms are extremely common in nature:

- the water in a vase with flowers will have biofilms floating after a couple of days

- dental plaque IS biofilm protecting streptococcus and other bacteria against our teeth-brushing or other foods / water that may wash them off. Inside the plaque, they can work with less disturbance and eat up our teeth.

- when you get a cold, and you got all that mucus coming out from nose and throat, great part is biofilm, other part I think are debris from the fight between our immune cells and the pathogens (the garbage that needs to be flushed off, with dead corpses of both pathogens and our immune cells).

- the gut has a lot of mucus due to pathogenic and friendly bacteria

- liver has mucus from bacteria trying to protect themselves against the liver immune system (this info is from Anthony),

Etc

Anthony describes such protective mucus as being ACID and built with rancid oils, which somehow seems to make up for what is known as 'biofilms' in science (to my understanding).

Ex: dental plaque is hard to be washed out and it is very acid.

The acid will 'eat up' the minerals in the teeth (bones are alcaline), breaking it so that bacteria such as strep can come in and feast in our teeth.

He suggested to swish the mouth with celery before swallowing it, to treat the cavity. Or to gargle with celery if you have throat infections, tonsil problems, etc.

Celery is a biofilm breaker AND a disinfectant (anti-bacterial, anti-viral), he says.

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So the GENIUS in me said: why not then dripping some drops of celery juice inside my nostrils, like sniffing drugs?

I suffer from left side sinus dull pain for almost 2 decades (since lyme disease, that made me lose teeth and then I got one tooth that messed with my left sinuses).

It is is MUCH better today, but I get mild pains there, on and off. .

I have no cold, my nostrils were totally open, no nose allergy for the moment, so that's a good experiment day!

WRONG!!!

I put about 10 drops of celery juice in both nostrils and they clogged up almost immediately with very thick mucus.

Where was it coming from?

I could not drink, nor eat for hours, as my nose was COMPLETELY STUCK for HOURS.

I kept trying to clean the mucus out, but as it was so thick, I could barely do that.

I felt like blowing my brains out. I had to breathe by the mouth, so it stole my whole morning.

I had no energy to do anything, not even eat.


My eyes got red (probably from celery squeezing through the sinuses to the eyes), probably killing some stuff there too, it's been 6 hours since my 10 drops of celery in my nose and my nostrils are still partially stuck.

My explanation is: celery is a POTENT biofilm breaker, it went to my sinuses and dissolved old dry mucus (biofilm) there, made it sort of 'liquid', and then I could blow it off, slowly.

I'll do it again, but this time I'll be smarter: only one side at a time!!!!

The right side, that I thought was HEALTHY, well, was also FULL of mucus, and as stuck as the left side.

I had a friend that had chronic sinusitis (I don't) and she got so much facial pains, and head pains that the doctors told her, she's got DRY mucus inside that need SURGERY to clear out.

She did an awful surgery, but of course, it never solved the problem for complete, and it does not solve the cause of the problem either...

So I suspect that using celery in less amounts could prevent this kind of surgery??!

I'm NOT recommending that to anyone, but if you'd like to see what is a POTENT biofilm breaker in action, just put ONE DROP of celery juice on one nostril and see for yourself!!!

But don't blame me!! I warned you!!

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UPDATE Day 2 morning - on celery drops experiment:

Yesterday evening, after I wrote this, I tried more 5 drops on my left nostril only, once it re-opened after hours being blocked...

More mucus came out, it blocked again but less than in the morning, but I got a BIG CRASH from adrenal fatigue.

So my morning crash was not ONLY due to lack of nose breathing, but also from a HERXHEIMER reaction (die-off reaction).

I could breathe partially from one side, but still, fatigue came and all I could do was sit and then I had to sleep. So these 5 drops on ONE nostril put me to bed for 2 hours.

Once I woke up, I felt better.

So today morning, I somehow feel my face (sinuses) lighter.

As it's Sunday, I can afford another crash, so I decided to do both sides again (not recommending that again, it's just my own experiment).

So I put a lot on each side (maybe 20 drops each nostril), while breathing in.

The drops fall in the throat, you actually feel the taste of celery somehow (a bit).

But then, my right ear made a noise, like sand was inside it, and boy, it started ITCHING like hell.


But the itch is soooo deep inside the ear canal, that I could not reach it. It was a MAD itching.

I again got unsettled, and decided to pour 2-3 drops in the ear. ANYTHING to stop that itching!


About 1 hour later, I'm still itching, but better than at start. It's bearable. I continued pouring some celery juice in the nostril, to attack that inner ear problem....

I continue to pour mucus from both nostrils, but it's much better than yesterday, much lighter, less thick.

And I'm able to breathe normally. And so far, no crash.


I kept a tiny jam jar (the ones we get in the airplane) with bits of celery juice inside, and I'll continue dripping it in the nose and ears during the day.

I start to think that this celery is THE medicine for a cold or flu. If I catch a cold, I'll pour some drops inside my nostrils for sure, 2, 3 times a day, to attack the invading viruses from start.

My eyes are not red today, but they do feel funny.

All the pathways nose - ear canals - throat - sinuses - eyes are connected and you actually feel the celery juice working on all that.

It's a bit irritating to the inner skin / mucosa (I can see how RED my nose is from INSIDE).


But I'm rubbing the celery on skin too, and the skin reacts ZERO to it (no redness, not even on the face).

So I suppose the inner nose is reacting because it's got mucus and the celery is breaking it apart (as it's a biofilm-breaker).

If you'd like to try this, just know that it's not too easy, as you may react in your eyes, throat, sinuses and ears at the same time. And still get a crash, from the die-off effect.

Choose a weekend to do that!!😀
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UPDATE Day 2 afternoon - Another crash with ear pain.

Just an hour crash, but the pain was rather intense (it's still here).

My right ear, that was itching in the morning, started to be painful after more nasal celery drops + 1 drop in the ear after lunch.

I thought my right side sinuses were healthy, but I guess they weren't.

I don't remember having ear pain since childhood, so if you got problems in sinuses, ears etc, start very slow with that, because the pain is not fun...

The left side feels nothing (my most sick side), only a bit lighter in the sinuses. It looks like I'm not treating it even.

The right side (my healthy side) feels like an ear infection pain + upper or lower teeth pain + nerve jaw pain (tirgeminal nerve?) + back throat pain + dull headache + facial pain (sinuses).

It feels like the ear pain is gone all over my right side, affecting the nerves, causing the dull headache.

Due to pain, I crashed again now, for about 1 hour. Now the pain is down to 30-40% and I'm back on my feet.

I think the drops in the nose in the afternoon caused all that, it's not the single drop in the ear that did that.

The celery is probably cleaning some old deposits of infection + mucus / biofilm, that I could NEVER suspect I had (not at the right side, not in the ear).

If you got chronic ear pain, jaw pain, trigeminal neuralgia, back teeth pain, start very slow.

I didn't have any of these problems (apparently) but I have been going through a rough time, detoxing these areas...

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I just copy-pasted the posts I wrote in the forum of Anthony William.

I feel okay now, almost no pain, but these few drops of celery in my nostrils did knock me down.

And I'm amazed to see what they do to dry mucus (I had ZERO mucus before I put the first drop there). So I thought...

The crashes I got were very real, so I do think these drops are doing something.

it was the most spectacular experience I had concerning biofilms, because I could actually see what it was doing, in a matter of minutes.

Not recommending that, but if you'd like to try, just do it slow, and on one nostril. You may be surprised!

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In the book Celery, Anthony describes how celery juice travels in the small intestine clearing the mucus first, then attacking the bacteria under the mucus.

You need to drink at least 16 oz to see good results, even more to feel it acts all over the body (liver, blood, brain etc).

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There are risks with shooting any vegetable juice directly into our sinuses.

Readers, Please do not do this. There are better ways.


https://www.xlear.com/store/xlear-sinus-care.html

Xlear Sinus Care

https://www.xlear.com/store/xlear-sinus-care/xylitol-and-saline-nasal-spray-75fl-oz.html

Xylitol and Saline Nasal Spray - .75fl oz

Ingredients: Purified Water; Xylitol (non-GMO); Saline; Grapefruit Seed Extract (non-GMO)

PubMed search of medical literature:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=xylitol%2C+biofilm

Xylitol, biofilm - 72 abstracts

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=xylitol%2C+nasal

Xylitol, nasal - 21 abstracts

one of those:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24999540

Xylitol and its usage in ENT practice. 2014

Excerpt:

. . . Xylitol has no antibacterial properties of its own; rather, it appears to enhance the body's own innate immunity.

Xylitol has anti-adhesive effects on micro-organisms

like Streptococcus pneumoniae and Streptococcus mutans, inhibiting their growth. Xylitol has already been used for preventing otitis media, rhinosinusitis and dental caries. . . .
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Very interesting, I wrote to a friend about your one person experiment. She also has one side of her sinuses chronically plugged.

I always heard not to put anything in the ear. So, I'm a little bit leery about the benefits of doing that.

Thank you for sharing.

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The thing is I had practically no sinus pains, no blocked nose for years (only when I catch a cold, they get blocked).

During lyme I lost a couple of teeth to severe ROOT infections. Really bad. The tooth leaked super acid liquids through my left nostril for 2-3days, until I could go to the dentist.

Since then (possibly 13-14 years ago), my left cheekbone got pains, on and off, that I treated in various ways. Last years, it got much better, so pain was down to zero most of the times, I just felt a bit of an annoyance there from times to times.

So theoretically, I had no sinus problems, no blocked nose, nothing when I dripped celery juice inside.

THEN I got that awful reaction and realized, I had dried mucus in both sides.

That meant, I had chronic sinus infections even though I got no symptoms, no blocked nose, no pain .

What I didn't know is that my inner ear was also infected, with something chronic. I don't even REMEMBER having ear pain in my life (probably during childhood).

The experiment was interesting because it showed me how many hidden chronic infections we have, even if we are symptomless.

Yesterday, I could put drops of celery 3 -4 x a day, and I only get a liquid mucus coming out, BUT my tinnitus got very strong.

I do think I start to reach the origin of that tinnitus (mine was super mild since lyme went away). During lyme it was bad, many types of sounds, in higher intensitiy.

After lyme, I could barely hear the sounds. Until my celery nose drop experiment. By day 3, it got very high.

I suspect I'm treating some sort of inner ear inflammation through the nostril. I'm not sure dripping stuff in my ears reached the innermost part of the ear.

It reactivated something there, by taking off biofilms (?). That's my guess. Today I'm making a pause.

my whole neck is relaxed, like I got a deep massage. I think somehow what I treated was an interference field (either the left side tooth, or the inner ear). But that's another subject!

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Brussels, I had prior to Lyme had sinus infections every spring and fall. After Lyme no issues with sinuses.

Or so I thought. I've been losing teeth to horrible decay for the last 5 yrs. Not because I was neglectful.

Well I recently had MRI of brain because from the neck down, I'm really good. But my brain wasn't clearing.

Sure enough there is lesions on the brain. But the MRI also caught infections in my upper sinuses.

So my tooth decay, ear issues, brain issues and eye issues that become front and center the last 18 mths....I know is left to treat.

Last month my Naturopath/w biofeedback had to go deep to discover some bad guys in my jaw and teeth.

Actinomycosis
Pseuodomonas
Staph
Strep

I've been rifing for these and it has really stirred up a hornet's nest in my head. But this celery juice sounds very interesting to me.

Thanks for the info.

Pam

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Pam, sorry to know you're still fighting tooth issues...

All of my bigger problems started during lyme, and I ended up losing many teeth to deep root infections (jawbone infections).

Now they stopped to cause me big problems.

The celery book describes celery as a biofilm breaker (even though Anthony does not use that term exactly, but he only says it dissolves the mucus, which i can confirm it's very TRUE!!).

It also describes celery as a potent antimicrobial, a disinfectant. You can use it on skin, on a cold sore, on lips, etc and see for yourself.

Even mouth wounds, just swish the mouth with it, they heal MUCH faster.

That's why I decided to try in my nostrils, to see if I could reach the spot where the infected tooth once was. And boy, it did reach that and other spots!!

It's all connected: the trigeminal nerve, the jaw muscles, the back molars, the inner ear, the eyes and the sinuses!!!

If you do the crazy experiment, just do few drops and only on ONE SIDE, or you'll block both airways and then you can't eat or drink (like it happened to me for 3 hours!!!).

I'm having a whole body reaction with this experiment. A whole body, truly, like a BIG weight came out of my back.

But it knocked me down again, today, day 4.

Today I went to wash my hair and had to put my head upside down in the bathtube. I usually had water running from my nostrils the moment I put my head upside down.

today, NIL!!! No water, nothing!!!

I thought everyone had water dripping from the nose if the head got upside down!!!?

but I was wrong: what I had was a chronic active infection the whole time. For 10 , 20 or more years??

What I remember today was that during my 20s, I did yoga and stayed upside down, and I think my nose did not get blocked. But in the last 10 years, for sure, it did get blocked with 'clear' water that I thought came from my eyes...

But no, they came from a chronic sinus infection.

And today I'm getting a strong tinnitus on my right side, meaning, something got stirred there too, just because of celery juice drops in my nostrils...

Go figure. This is a potent biofilm breaker and possibly a potent antimicrobial too.

It cleared my watery nose of one decade or more (since lyme, at least) in 3 days!!!!!

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There are other ways to address issues with safe ingredients.

First, the vessel / utensils in our kitchen are not without certain microbes that we might be fine ingesting and sending on to our stomach acid.

Even water used for a neti pot must be first boiled, cooled before using as a sinus rinse. Even then, there have been deaths, literally, from using a neti pot, even when it was thought to first be clean.

Just two of many other reasons not to squirt celery juice up one's nose:

1) various bad-boy microbes can be on or in it &

2) there are some plant toxins that could damage the delicate sinus / nasal tissue. Oxalates are just one category of plant irritant that can be present.

Heating the liquid cannot destroy the oxalates. They are sharp, needle like crystals that can lodge anywhere in the body.

Some folks do better than others with the normal way one should consume food - through the GI tract.

Oxalates do not belong up one's nose. A lot of damage may occur.


http://www.failsafediet.com/the-rpah-elimination-diet-failsafe/

Failsafe diet . . .

Celery contains traces of natural benzoates. Celery contains natural nitrates.

Raw vegetables can irritate sensitive stomachs. Celery is high in oxalates.


https://vric.ucdavis.edu/pdf/diseases_lateblightcelery.pdf

Late Blight of Celery

. . . the fungus will penetrate the host and produce visible symptoms in approximately 9 to 12 days. . . .

. . . a fungus, Septoria apiicola, which may be seed-borne and live in the soil in undecayed celery refuse for as long as 18 months. . . .
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http://www.pkdiet.com/pdf/oxalate%20lists.pdf

The Oxalates & Salicylates Foods Lists

19-page pdf

page 8:

Celery is HOX (high oxalate)
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If water needs to be sterile prior to using as a nasal irrigation, it just seems common sense that anything else we shoot up our noses should be, too.

Still, under no circumstance should celery juice be put up one's nose.


https://pharmacist.com/article/brain-eating-amoeba-death-highlights-importance-safe-neti-pot-use

Brain-eating amoeba death highlights importance of safe neti pot use

American Pharmacists Association - Jan. 8, 2019

. . . sterile or distilled water . . . .

. . . Use of safe water is imperative. The Seattle woman who died was using tap water run through a Brita filter.

FDA recommends that neti pot users boil tap water for 3 to 5 minutes and then cool to lukewarm before using . . . .

. . . " FDA recommends that boiled and cooled water can be stored and safely used within 24 hours" . . . .

[poster's note: BUT - if the vessel used for that water is not sterile, that could pose a risk.]
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Thank you for your concern, Keebler, but it does not really work people who swim.

If you swim like I do, in rivers, lakes, swimming pools and sea, your theory of dangerous things to put in your nose would go down the drain.

Anything theoretically could be infected in food, air and water, you're right.

But if I think about that, I wouldn't be able to even breathe, because the air is full of pathogens.

Or go swimming, as when you do, your ears, eyes, nose, mouth, everything is not only in contact with the water, but you actually inhale, drink, sniff all that in great amounts.

The sterilization advice is wise if you want to live in a bubble, inside a bunker, without contact with anything else than a sterilized air, water and food.

It does not fit my lifestyle.

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One would still not want to be shooting OXALATES up into sinus / nasal passages nor introduce potential pathogens that need not set up shop. There are much safer options.
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Have you read many of Buhner books? I suppose not, because Buhner explains clearly that a herbal plant has hundreds if not thousands of chemical components.

While research will analyze one, two, a few isolate components, Buhner says, our science has no tools to analyze thousands of chemical components and how they work synergistically.

If you isolate a chemical compound in cats claw, and it comes out it has cancerigenous potential, it means nothing, he says, because the high intelligent plant factories will have made many other anti-cancerous components to cancel that effect.

And that happens not to ONE HERB, but to all herbs that have been used as medicine in our history. And to foods and vegetables too.

Buhner shows a multitude of examples, papers on that, but as always, I don't think many read his books well.

Regarding oxalates: there are oxalates in EVERY SINGLE fruit and vegetable on the planet.

Oxalates in plums are different from oxalates in cheese.

Yes, cheese has oxalates.

Oxalates in herbs come together with healing phytochemicals, vitamins, minerals.

what Anthony writes is almost word by word what I read in Buhner's books in the past:

"The vast array of nutrients in the so-called high-oxalate leafy greens and celery are some of the most beneficial available to us. Fruits, vegetables, leafy greens and herbs contain anti-oxalates that prevent oxalates from causing the damage that current trends tell us they cause".

"Oxalates are widespread, whether we like it or not. So are anti-oxalates."

The common belief is that foods high in oxalates produce kidney stones and gall stones. It's not oxalates causing high uric acid in the kidneys, but proteins that create kidney stones and gout by bogging down the liver.


People are healing from kidney stones with celery juice, instead!

People are afraid of spinach for the same oxalate reason, while spinach is known as a super healing food for ages.

Please refer back to Buhner and read his books for once at least: healing herbs (celery is not a vegetable, but a herb) have many anti-chemical compounds that act synergistically so that the plant's active chemicals can heal different people with different conditions, without damaging them.

Otherwise there would be no single FOOD that would be totally safe, if we keep cutting down each of its chemical and seeing what each of these chemicals are doing.

Alone, they can do harm, but not in the whole plant.

It's not only Anthony saying that, but Buhner says that in many of his books.

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It's a very different thing to ingest through the GI tract a food than shooting it up one's nose. It's dangerous and irresponsible to suggest that others try this.
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Taking something through the nose is not only possible, but it is a common medical procedure when patient cannot eat through the mouth.

They simply feed a tube through the nose and let the LIQUID food pass to their stomachs.

If you swim anywhere, you'll know that when you 'drink' water from the nose accidentally, it won't end up in the brain miraculously or in your lungs necessarily, but it simply goes down the throat to the stomach, exactly like your food and drink.

The same way you can breath through your mouth instead of the nose, and the air finds its way to your lungs instead of your stomach, well you can drink through your nose instead your mouth, and the drink will fall in your stomach, not in your lungs!

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Water from the swimming pool: with chlorine, sweat, saliva of swimmers, with bacterial rests of wounds from skins, vaginal liquids, pee from kids, nose mucus from every single swimmer who stepped in that water, hair, viral warts etc.

People still go swimming in swimming pools, and drink that water accidentally, and that water goes through eyes, NOSE, ears and their skin wounds, and that is not irresponsible and dangerous because everyone is doing that, swimming in swimming pools.

Go to a lake, full of bacteria, algae, fungi, parasites, fecal matter from all sorts of animals living there, dead cadaver pieces in decomposition with all the pathogenic bacteria, ...

.... rests of gasoline / petrol from boats, industrial garbage, pesticides and all agricultural products leaked in that water, oils used in engines etc and you do the same: ...

...you swim there, and that water goes through your lungs, NOSE, mouth, eyes and fine, is that a dangerous and irresponsible activity?

But suddenly, if you add a drop of water or juice inside your nose, and it becomes life-threatening, while everyone who swims take even gulps of THAT type of water through the nose and all other openings of the body!!!?


Of course, people can get sick from swimming anywhere, but well, you can get sick by breathing anything anywhere, even in a bunkered home with filtered air.


I wonder if you guys never swim?? You never drank water through your nose while swimming??

I mean, THAT dirty water from the sea, lakes and even worse, the swimming pool?

If you never swum, you never drunk water from your nose.

If you swam just once in your life, you ingested all that dirty water through your nose, yes, .... and through the eyes, yes, .... and through the mouth, yes, and that water went deep into your ear canals, and seeped through every wound you had on your skin through your lymph and blood.

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Ancient yogis have been cleaning the nose with the neti pot with water or salty solutions for thousands of years in India.

They simply put the water through one nostril and let it drip to the other.

They have been doing that MUCH before sterilization was even known, much before Western civilization discovered 'science'.


If you ever tried to learn that neti pot, like millions of Indians already did since ancient history, you'll probably have drunk quite some water through your nose trying to learn it.

The West has been learning with them and now Mayo Clinic is RECOMMENDING nose wash with salty water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UixdsD1lJNY

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The same way not everyone sterilizes drinking water, boiling it to drink it, the same way we may choose not to sterilize whatever goes through nasal passages.

If you swim, you know it's impossible - how to sterilize the whole swimming pool??


Of course you can - theoretically - as you can drink sterilized water, if you wish.

However, babies drink juices from fruits, infants too.

Do parents sterilize the juice? Some of them do, I never did, because you lose the main nutrients in fruits.

If the water in plants were contaminated from INSIDE with bacteria, the plant would be also sick.

And we were never going to be able to drink any juice, eat any raw fruits or eat raw salads.

Certainly, not give fruit juices to infants.


You can theoretically drink whole bottles of water through the nose, and the water will fall inside your throat down to the stomach.

Exactly like you can breathe through the mouth and the air goes to your lungs NOT to your stomach.


Whatever life threatening situation you think putting things like food and water through your nose means, think about the millions of Indians washing their nostrils with the neti pot since yogis existed and...

...think about babies drinking fruit juices.

Or simply think about ANYONE who EVER swum in their lives.


The only difference to take a juice through your nose and your mouth, is that the mouth offers saliva to start digesting it, while the nose does not.

If you take 1 liter of juice through your mouth or nose, both will end up in your stomach.

If you don't want to drink the celery juice through the nose, just use it in the neti pot.

It will go from one side to the other and leave your body instead of falling in your stomach.

Celery is salty and it will work better than the salty water, because it has enzymes that break biofilm, while salty water will only have the salt to dissolve biofilms.

A Russian friend told me now that in Russia, a common medicine for babies with stuck nose is drops of beet juice (squeezed beet) inside the nose: the enzymes open the mucus almost immediately, allowing BABIES to breathe.

How dangerous that can be, that it became an overall practice among the population??

The danger is exactly the same danger as drinking fresh squeezed fruit juices without sterilization.

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Quote: "The danger is exactly the same danger as drinking fresh squeezed fruit juices without sterilization." end quote.

No, it is not. You're talking about shooting celery juice up one's nose. That is very different than ingesting it.

It's not just the matter of being sterile, there are elements in vegetable or fruit juices that can irritate the nasal passages.

And some of the plant matter may leave residue behind that could contribute to infection.

The nasal passages are not the place to put our food, even if in juice form.

Most of us have inhaled water when swimming in various kinds of water and most of us have choked or laughed and had a beverage pour out of our nose. Generally, that's just once in a while and we just go on.

As for swimming water, though when we get a big push of water far into the sinuses, it usually works out

but sometimes that can create the need for a gentle medicinal nasal spray or even more assertive treatment at times if a sinus infection develops. A brain infection can also develop, depending upon circumstances. Not that this happens all the time, of course, yet it's important to be aware.

Overall, though, regularly (as some kind of treatment) shooting celery juice up the nose can be an invitation for irritation and infection.
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You started saying about how life threatening putting something in the nose would be because it was not sterile - now you are backing off talking about vegetable FIBERS may cause irritation...


Well, it come out that beet juice has been used traditionally by herbalists and some cultures.


http://www.complete-herbal.com/culpepper/beets.htm

"The juice of this herb drawn up into the nostrils powerfully evacuates phlegmatic humours from the brain, and cures inveterate head-aches. This is counted a great secret by some."


https://itinerariesoftaste.sanpellegrino.com/trip/beetroot

"No wonder then that beet is a part of Russian medicinal folklore.

Anyone looking to get rid of a blocked nose, for example, is advised to grind up and juice beetroot, onion and aloe vera to create their own nose drops."


And I still wonder, why would the fiber get stuck to the nose (that is full of protective mucus as it breathes fumes, pollen, viruses etc) and the same fiber would NOT get stuck to the back of the throat when you eat it?

The fiber in the nose can cause a brain infection?!?

Well, so can a simple breathe of air do: you may catch a virus such as HHV-6 and die of a brain infection.

Even opening the windows can cause you a brain infection as it can let a mosquito infected with lyme come through it, bite you, and you may bet lyme encephalitis and die.


The Russian recipe of nose drops come not only with beet root juice, but also with onions and aloe vera!

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