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https://www.amazon.com/Bitten-History-Disease-Biological-Weapons/dp/006289627X?fbclid=IwAR0u3vxSdeye7cVbE_MaP8LlwLYx_fLdYWcJhEvrO79rT_5MPi1AIHXH0NE
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It is available at my local library so I checked it out. It is a fast read.

More information on the biowarfare origins of lyme. There are rumors floating around about the same type of origins for the latest coronavirus.

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Many have read 'Bitten'.

Here's a discussion;
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/38167#000000

The atrocities of man and evil in great detail.

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Thanks guys!!!

I'm a bit out of the lyme world...

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I don't see how a bunch of drama helps anyone but Kris Newby sell books.

https://publichealth.yale.edu/news-article/15651/

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While Borrelia burgdorferi seems to be infecting humans for a long time, the weaponized version has a much complex genome than the usual versions...

I remember Dr Klinghardt talking about that in the past. I can't find any info at the moment though...

Besides, if lyme disease were only Borrelia, we would be celebrating: lyme is made of joint-pathogens, and that is what the book was about.

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Here is a study done in New York Stae and Connecticut;
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877959X19300330

If you ask the top LLMD'S they will tell you it is much harder to treat Lyme patients today than it was 30 or 40 years ago.
Today's ticks are sewers of infections, carrying lots of pathogens. Such as;

Anaplasma species
Borrelia species
Babesia species
Bartonella species
Nematodes
Viruses

And the most abundant pathogen found was Rickettsia (Swiss agent) in New York and Connecticut.

Brussels,
Follow Dr Rafal Tokarz at Columbia University
https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/people/our-faculty/rt2249

Dr Rafal Tokarz wrote the above study. He has presently indenified over 30 viruses in ticks.

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Thanks Bonnie!

Wow: "He (Tokarz) has also analyzed the microbiome of ticks and identified a wide range of new tick-associated agents, including over 30 new viruses."

New viruses, meaning there should be still other KNOWN viruses in ticks...

I find it funny we never hear about that in the lyme community....There's an obsession to treat bacteria...

Funnily, in the link you showed above (NY, Connect), the guys analyze ticks but found no bartonella?!?

We keep hearing that bartonella is EVEN more common than Borrelia in ticks, but they haven't found any inside their ticks?

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I found this article, somehow old, but he talks about the Swiss Rickettsia helvetica inside ticks, that was known to Willy.

He even thought it could be the cause of lyme disease in the past.

If you read the whole article, you'll understand that the causative agent of lyme as being Borrelia is not really written in stone...

There are unexplored holes in history.

And ANYWAY, no one seems to be exploring viruses as etiological causes of lyme, so you can't simply discard that possibility either.

This article also mentions 20 other viruses infecting ticks (that so far, no medical doctor has been treating, I think?), and also mentions that Rickettsia causes BULL'S EYE RASHES, similar to Borrelia.

So, the diagnosis that EM rash is 100% Borrelia has been always wrong!

Remember in the past, people also said Bells Palsy was 100% Borrelia, now it's known to be very wrong. Other pathogens cause Bells Palsy too.

This is what Lipkin says:

“Everyone wants to get to the bottom of this (cause of lyme),” Lipkin said.

“All of this is critical to … finding out why some people respond to antibiotics and some people don’t, and whether or not the antibiotics being used are appropriate, and trying to find ways to link different bacteria and different viruses to different syndromes.”

I wonder how this viral/ Rickettsial thread has developed in the last years (as this article is rather old...). Anyone knows?

https://www.statnews.com/2016/10/12/swiss-agent-lyme-disease-mystery/

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Another interesting thread is that the MOST common bacteria found in NY / Connect area in this study is Rickettsia (they even did not find any Bartonella in any of the ticks!!!).

They found Rickettsia buchneri in 65% of ticks, while Borrelia was found in 56% of ticks!!!

I mean, no other pathogen is infecting more those ticks than Rickettsia buchneri, that was discovered sometime in 1926 and 1965 by a German researcher called Buchner.

In 2015, there was some heightened interest in the pathogen, so more papers appeared.

And the species is Rickettsia buchneri.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1877959X19300330

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I looked for how close or far is R. buchneri from Rickettsia helvetica, that Willy B. was working with...the so called Swiss Agent.

Here is what I found:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4365292/

Look at Fig 4.
These 2 Rickettsia species are related, somehow.

Not as much as R. monacensis (that looks like another German strain), but pretty close as you can see in this phylogenetic graphic.

Don't you wonder what are these German pathogens found in extreme prevalence in American ticks from NY and Connecticut?!

If you read the article I posted in the previous post, you can see that the etiologic agent of lyme is not really Borrelia written on stone... In fact, it's our best guess for the moment, inspired by the research of W. Burgdorfer.

If you are taking herbal concoctions as long as I have been, after having been infected by Buhner's passion of herbal medicine back in 2005-6, you know about plant synergy.
How some herbs work better in synergy. It's a pretty real phenomena, even measurable (just read any Buhner book...).

Pathogens, we know, also work better in synergy (as seen in lyme, EBV, AIDS, any chronic infection, sepsis....).

The Western 'scientific' mind can only look after one cause = one disease = one treatment (or few treatments)... so that they can test in a lab and come with a magic bullet treatment.

I would rather let the door open to speculation, let the idea "synergy of pathogens" inside my dictionary of lyme and let open the possibility that what is making us ill is more than bacteria.

No one knows what these multiple concoctions Willy was working on, what mixing German, Swiss pathogens inside ticks would give as a result.
I would let the idea 'synergy of pathogens' turn around my head - maybe that's one clue to look for right treatments.

When everyone knows viruses were injected in ticks, and that most ticks are infected with viruses, but no one is talking about these viruses and they simply come with Borrelia as the cause of lyme, don't you feel there is a problem?

How can they actually know?
We're only speculating NOW because antibacterial agents are not working.

But in fact, when I read about the history of how Borrelia was found to be the major agent behind lyme, I feel this is far from been written in stone!!

And just because you find Borrelia inside most people does not mean Borrelia is causing all that disease, otherwise, EBV would be also another pathogen found in more than 95% of the population, why wouldn't it be the cause of lyme?

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