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Brussels
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I just watched the video with the interview of Kris Newby by the Under the Skin director, about her book Bitten.

This journalist Kris Newby found solid evidence about stealth pathogens being studied and released in nature from this lab (accidentally and on purpose, like dropping infected ticks in Cuba).

Even Willy Burgdorfer admits...
He was a bioweapon researcher...

Yes, the guy who 'discovered' lyme disease!
The hero of lyme communities, who finally gave an answer to lyme sufferers!!

What's interesting is that not only Borrelia was being studied as bioweapon, but other organisms such as Rickettsias and VIRUSES!! 😳

All transported by ticks!

They were creating illnesses that are stealth, meaning, not exactly 'lethal' but incapacitating.

Combos of pathogens were researched for bioweapon's programs.
Babesiosis was inside too, it seems (I read that in the Amazon book reviews about Bitten...)

Since 1968, babesiosis, rickettsia and Bb were known to be inside ticks.

Why TODAY no one speaks of viruses being transported by ticks?

My question is: we think lyme as being PRIMARILY caused by Borrelia burg, because of what Willy Burdgdorfer said... Right?

This 'truth' (?) remains unchallenged.

My question is: 'If Rickettsias, babesiosis and viruses were inside the ticks as combo pathogens from start, according to the bioweapon researcher Willy Burdgorfer, why do we think lyme is caused by Borrelia only?"

Couldn't this be a strategy to make all our treatments USELESS?

I mean, who disclosed that Borrelia burgdorferi was behind lyme sufferers' complaints was a BIOWEAPON researcher (W. Burgdorfer)!!!

My question is: why has Willy talked about Borrelia only?

He did NOT scream outloud about ALL the other nasty research he was involved with.

Like all the REST of pathogens HE was mixing and researching inside ticks.

It took decades for doctors and other researchers to pin point the presence of the today called "tick born CO-INFECTIONS", also coincidentally found in lyme patients.

In the 90s, no one was talking about lyme coinfections, right? Not in the mainstream!

In the early 2000s, that is when it started, but still not really mainstream.

Who said these were CO-INFECTIONS, in fact?
Just because doctors and researchers found that LATER, does that make of them CO-INFECTIONS?

What are the MAIN infections and the CO-infections in fact?

What about the VIRUSES every LYME patient will be suffering from, sooner or later found in their labs? HHV-6, cytomegaly, EBV, other herpes family viruses, etc ??

How can we know what is the MAIN infection and the CO-infections, I mean?

Viruses are not even CONSIDERED part of TICK BORN COINFECTIONS,right?

Well, they were there INSIDE TICKS SINCE START!

Why if Willy Burdgdorfer, the lyme hero, said Borrelia was the MAIN cause of lyme, so that we used the WRONG treatments?

Such as antibiotics?

Yes, because antibiotics will have zero effect on viruses!

On the contrary, antibiotics lower the immune system so they will make viruses and fungal organisms stronger.

What if he KNEW that?!? [Eek!] [Eek!]

I mean, the guy was a bioweapon researcher!!

He's probably responsible for immense suffering and deaths of thousands of people!
Not a hero at all!

If we concentrated on bacterial organisms and not in viral ones, the STRATEGY to heal would be VERY different!!

Maybe this was done on purpose by Mr W. Burgdorfer? [Eek!] [Eek!]

No wonder why herbal and holistic approaches have reasonable degree of success, because they are LESS specific against pathogens, more widespectrum....

What if the strategy of W. Burgdorfer when he 'discovered' Borrelia burgdorferi was behind lyme patients complaints was not part of his evil's plan to keep people sick?

Just my thoughts....

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Bringing up conspiracy theories that cannot be proven only serve to heighten the anxiety of Lyme patients.

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These are all what-ifs, but I don't think we'll ever know.

We know he told the Under Our Skin team: "I didn't tell you everything."

It's very sad, though, because I was at the event where folks with LymeDisease.org gave him a thank you certificate for all his help in identifying the organism.

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Is he still alive?
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Yes, many questions.

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No, he passed.
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Well, guys, I live in Switzerland for 20 years.

They are the masters of diplomacy.

You'll never get some of them to talk, unless you threaten them (ex. bank secrecy, their 'neutrality' hiding own interests, but no one knows except the Swiss...)

Very good diplomats with white collars, super clean image. Just think about your image of Switzerland!

Behind all this wealth, there was very dirty money.

Many pharma business are headquartered in Switzerland, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmaceutical_industry_in_Switzerland

Nestle? Swiss!

They do care about image, but what they do behind, it's another story....

Why has Willy spoken?
Sorry if I heighten anxiety.

I'm just raising the possibility that this guy had a hidden agenda.

I think I lived too long here in Switzerland!!! [Big Grin]

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Brussels, you're probably correct, but he's dead now and we can't find out.
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You're right, Robin. We'll never really know.

I'm just writing for those who consider Willy B. as a hero. So that they think twice and stop turning a probable monster into a hero.

He even might have been one - even though I don't find heroes should work for developing BIOLOGICAL weapons of mass destruction...

They know that these biological agents can get loose and wreck havok. How heroic can that be?

Just know the Swiss care A LOT about their clean image. Under the carpet though, there can be a lot of dirt.

Think Big Pharma and think Nestle, and you get the picture.

As I said, I've been here too long to believe on this 'clean Swiss image'.

Not everyone is like that, of course.
Fortunately.

Remember that who wrote the IDSA guidelines to diagnose and treat lyme disease long ago was not the US, but the Swiss!!

Yes, the IDSA copied us here in Switzerland, and that's when the whole mess started.

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While reading this the government experts claimed the first case of lyme disease to be Wisconsin in

1968 therefore not evidence of bioweapon warfare experiment because it wouldn't have been that widespread.

They dismissed deer for some reason but deer aren't the only animals to carry ticks. Birds, wolves, coyote, even lizards and turtles.

The grey wolf was in Wisconsin during that time but later years mostly eradicated. But really so where a lot birds dropping ticks to the ground.

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