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Do an internet search on ileocecal valve massages. These help. I think Hiatal hernia probs come from this too.
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He recommended ketotifen, chlorophyll perles and Liver Nano detox.
Also, he said my gall bladder was really not doing well so when I mentioned that a long time ago I had done Hulda Clark's liver flush and got tons and tons of flukes out he said to definitely do that again.
Has anyone done this? It says to not drink or eat after 2PM but I really think that would be dehydrating (I mentioned I didn't think my kidneys liked the flush, but he tested my kidneys and looked at test results and said they could handle it).....I want to try to drink some water this time.
Also, it was interesting to note that on my Allergie-Immun results it noted C7, T10-12 and L4,5 and a lot of those have to do with the Ileocecal valve!
Dr. K said to email HG with the updates of what he found.
What I'm worried about is that a lot of this can be caused from eating "raw" and trying to eat healthy foods (seeds, etc.) (when this first started to bother me was ironically when I had tried the vegetarian diet!)....so am wondering if It'll get better and then can resume eating raw things or if I will always have to be careful...
Also, wondering about colonics. He recommended doing colonics that were with the bigger tube and someone is there the whole time (can't remember the name) versus the one where it's with a machine and the person is in and out. I have read that the only safe colonic is a gravity fed one (similar to an enema) which, I believe, is the one that someone comes in and out. Any thoughts?
Anyway, he also upped the amount of parasite drugs that I should be taking because he said that is still a huge issue and could be causing this as well.
Meanwhile I still can't eat much, but he said that sometimes we have to get worse before we get better.
He also said that it takes time (like peeling an onion) to learn what is really the underlying cause of something and we are getting closer.
So there's hope!
Off to email HG :-)
Thanks Hobokinite I will search that!
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Quick update. Seem to be done with this wave of toxins. Went from craving chlorella and binders to not wanting any. Confirmed by energy testing.
My reliable energy tester also confirmed (she did not know my results of my blood and saliva tests) that I am low in progesterone and estrogen dominant. That might explain my insomnia.
Still have some digestive issues and gut issues, but am over 99% healed. God is good.
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question on energy healing: I am done with AI (will resubmit a sample to make sure in a few weeks).
Would energy healing interfere with AI now?
My energy tester feels that opening up the chakras might help release more toxins. It certainly did a few years when I went to an energy healer--herxed like crazy.
Anyway do energy healing and post AI mix? (finished my last round of AI at the end of April)
Have made a lot of progress since then--especially after I relearned to walk with the "cross walk" correctly.
Lee
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Just listened to Dr. K's ART II DVD where he said that people with leaky gut should use caution with clay.
Gettinhealthy, have you done any emotional work for the allergies? Family systems work?
After my PK session on Sunday, boy did that dump the stuff -- I have felt lousy ever since. She used the blue glasses and I assume the hand movements/eye movements contacted areas in the brain with stores of neurotoxins.
I am so happy for those of you who can have personal sessions with Dr. K. Those of us from out of town, if we do get an appt., have to see one of his assistants. So I keep reminding myself I'm on the AI drops and am trying to take Dr. K's advice when he says give your illness one hour a day and your life the other 23.
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I did try one session with the allergy antidote specialist that Dr K recommended, but it was over the phone and there was a delay so it was a bit diffucult to do.
I have not tried the family systems work.
I feel very lucky that I get to see Dr. K.
His assistants are amazing as well.
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Lex, Could you elaborate about the leaky gut/clay caution issue?
I'm sure that most of us have gut issues and am surprised that the clay caution has not come up before now.
Thanks!
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I attended the seminar...where Dr. K said that all clays contain aluminum...some higher levels than others. Green clay contains the least amount of aluminum..he said.
Dr. K recommends to only use the green clay for no more than a month. As clay will slip through the leaky gut into your system. Clay can be beneficial in the short term, when needed as a binding agent.
I always test t see when I need it...and for me, its only a day or two, after using other binders. It appears to me that timing is important when using clays.
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It looks like lightparfait answered the question about the clay. K said that MOST people do okay with green clay, but there's that magic word MOST. I usually don't fall into that category.
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Clay --- with leaky gut - the texture alone - sort of sandy - may not feel all that great leaking through the gut into the bloodstream. We do have to use common sense. I don't think I would be using it more than ONCE a month.
I have never used it internally, except years ago with Arise& Shine, long before Lyme, and after a wasp sting, or other skin impurity.
Take care.
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Lee, I can't answer your question, but would like to congratulate you on your improvements; that's great news,
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Oh shoot! I am so sorry to hear about the clay containing aluminum. It had been working so well for me in alleviating my morning headache as I took it right before bed.
Thanks to all for the info. I, too, fall into the "exception to every rule" category.
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Dr. K. still recommends clay...but not to take too much of it. Says a little aluminum in the clay for short periods of time will not harm...especially if you do not have the leaky gut it should not be absorbed by the body nor be an issue.
The problem comes with the leaky gut and clay and many other things.
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I wonder how many people who are doing treatments like this *don't* have leaky gut these days It's pretty common- and likely a given with anyone who is struggling with their health right?
I don't want to speak too soon, but I think I've kicked the giardia or whatever it was - it's been over 10 days now with no symptoms other than occasional mild nausea which is sometimes an issue for me anyway.
My husband is still getting lots of big whiteheads on his legs. More actually.
My oldest daughter is very excited to start the next round - she doesn't have any obvious to her symptoms from eating wheat anymore - which is quite amazing considering it used to trigger rages, migraines, swollen painful knees, insomnia, and acne breakouts. It was very obvious when she ate it once we'd cut it out for a while.
It feels good to be moving forward even if it does feel slow at times - I'm good with slow I know that there are huge changes happening under the surface, so I can be patient. There are other changes too that are more difficult to word with my other kids.
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Skiesmama, Congrats on the kicking of giardia!
I also have a daughter on the drops with 2 more getting ready to start next month.
When did you all start?
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Skiesmama,
Fingers crossed about the gardia and great news too that your daughter is showing such encouraging improvements.
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Dr. K says the aluminum in green clay contains larger particles which makes it okay for most people.
Has anyone had herxes from the colored glasses? Man, that last PK session has me wobbling all over the place for six days now.
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We are about to start round 4 - there are 7 of us - my husband and I, and all 5 of our kids (2, 4, 7,9,15 yo) It's definitely interesting Not sure how much benefit my oldest is going to get from it - aside from the initial round tho, as she is just hitting the teen party time age. She's planning on moving out too, so she's really hit an age where she's going to do what she's going to do and I just cross my fingers and hope she's making smart decisions So far pretty good, but still a fair bit of partying which is pretty counter productive as far as AI goes. I'll be happy tho if all she gets is the gluten allergy healed - that was the biggest issue for her by far - all her symptoms seem to be linked to that.
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I am having a hard time right now and wanted to know other people's experiences with pain management.
I am doing the best I can with binders: chlorella, charcoal, betisitoserol, apple pectin. I've found that baking soda baths give me temporary relief as does rebounding and chi machine.
Nonetheless, all joints, bladder, intestine, skin and even head just hurt as in major detox.
The pain seems worst on the two weeks off the drops, with lots of ear ringing and emotional stuff and sweating.
This is not minor; it feels really major and I have that awful "I can't stand it" feeling. I try to stay active with my kids, but I'm starting to really lag from the pain -- not loss of energy.
I am thinking of ordering/trying Microsilica and Biologo Inflamme. These will take time to get... so....
Any good pain relief ideas in the meantime?
thanks,
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I would love to find a good ART practitioner and/or a follower of Dr K in the NY area. I am doing some metal detox with Dr H and it is really helping: would like to explore this some more...
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wiseforit - I'm sorry you are suffering so much - I personally don't have much pain tolerance and would have reached for something pill like by now Not ideal tho. I have seen comments tho that it's ok to take pain killers sometimes if you really need to - I have a few times for the sake of being able to parent. I hope you find relief soon!
I've heard people mention using the detox foot pads - would they help keep things moving? I really have no idea, just been wondering about them for myself - with the usual question of would they be appropriate with AI - I know that earlier in the thread people mentioned using them, but then no mention in ages - I know that sometimes along the way what seemed like a good idea urns out not so good -
Can anyone comment? Zombie? You used them right? Just curious whether they would be advisable or not -
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The footpads I'm quite certain won't interfere with AI. They are not homeopathic and are not introducing anything new into the system. If anything they protect the kidneys. You can put the pad on the pain as well, esp. if the area has moisture or sweats. Like under maxilla.
I am one week done with ROUND TWO, and feel pretty lousy. I seem to do better when I'm actively taking the drops.
Klinghardt himself takes over the counter meds for pain when he's up against the wall. He talks about this in one of his ART I DVDs -- had a terrible sinus pain, forgot everything he knew and I believe it was advil he took and he praised the product for helping him out of a hole.
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There is a doctor on Long Island named Gurevich (or something like that) who practices ART. He's an MD. I'm sure if you Google you'll find him. He also heads up a study group.
Marc Schwartz is in Jenkintown--a chiro. who has studied with Dr. K for years.
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Warning - this is choppy - I was interrupted by a couple of phone calls!
I am not sure I would use foot pads or microsilica which pull even more of the toxins.
Take MSM. There are many posts about MSM starting in 2000 on LN under my name. At least a teaspoon morning and night. It picks up the lactic acid that feels uncomfortable from the areas/joints where everything was stored that have not seen any action probably in years. I used to take 3 and more teaspoons at a time. Put it in juice and it goes down easier. You can buy it by the pound.
Any anti-inflammatory with Tumeric in it. The different glucosamine products that are available. Some have MSM in it. The longer you are doing AI, after the first few bottles, the toxins start to move, and it is important that we recognize that and help it along, not by detox agents, but by supporting products - binders, binders, comforting baths (not hot). I am sure you will find several here http://www.neuraltherapy.com/LymeProtocolOct09.pd
You are way ahead of the game if you make a serious effort to learn to use a tensor or o-ring testing or pendulum, even muscle testing with your partner. Doesn't have to be ART for self-help. You can pin down the problem easily: if positive for a liver support product, you will instantly know that your liver is stressed and needs support. If you test positive for tumeric - you know tissue is aggravated and wants to be calmed down. The product that the body likes tells you the body's primary problem for this moment. Tomorrow it may change to something else. and it may tell you to use more binders by testing the different binders
Suffering is not necessary - and trying to learn how to go about it of course is easiest when you are not in the middle of a crisis. Alkalinizing somewhat helps for brief periods to get pain under control. Lemon juice. A bit of baking soda. My husband always feels better with any products that has micronized chlorella in it -
Call Biologo and check if they now have a better way to get the products overhere or if someone is importing them. Check the www.bioray2000.com or call them for a product that will buffer.
If all fails, go to the grocery store buy some organic tumeric. Go to www.firstchineseherbs.com and talk to Sarah what she can offer to help the pain. She is a wonderful lady.
Again, I would not use anything that pulls more toxins out of joints and tissue now. I would not use microsilica and would not use foot pads. If you learn to tensor, you can test the products before you use them. You will need tiny samples to test.
It is a learning process, no doubt, but finding a doctor who can test you every day, because that is how often things can change, is impossible. So it really pays to learn self-testing. Pendulum, tensor, 0-ring testing, muscle testing. Dr. Klinghardt's mother, who is 85 years old, tests with her tensor and travels with it and her pendulum. You should have seen her, some years ago, when she was overhere kneeling on the floor at the fancy new Whole Foods place(where I never shop) testing out the different magnesium products that she needed with her pendulum! It's a great place to test what may work for you. because all the products are there on the shelves. I use the cord that comes with my tensor, and I am sure some people wonder about the little old lady! and her magic wand.
Have courage and keep going - it won't hurt forever. That I can promise.
Take care.
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Psr1, if you are not doing AI, make sure you are not allergic to the metals. It won't work permanently until you clear the DNA allergy/dysregulations. AI does that beautifully. And before that, make sure that your mineral base is good -- we cannot detox metals and chemicals if we don't have the good essential minerals needed to do the job.
Take care.
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Re minerals -- when I up the minerals I really detox. And I'm not overdoing it with Matrix Mins, electrolytes and micro mins . . .
you are probably right re the detox foot pads -- I think while they detox well, it may be too much action while on AI
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I read where MSM can pass the blood brain barrier? Would this perhaps recircualte mercury back into the brain? I am a little confused on the MSM.
Can it be taken with minerals etc?
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1) I was reading early posts and it seemed as though people got full analysis letters with each bottle. Is this so?
The last 4 letters I received with bottles of drops had the very same letter about the apple & worm. The letters were identical except for the number of blockages part, which changed from letter to letter.
I know they are very busy, so this is not a complaint -- just an observation about earliest posts. i also understand that it would be impossible for AI to identify every chemical by name to list what was going on. Just seemed like the early posters were getting more detailed letters.
that's all....
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I started AI in January of 2008 and only my first two letters had details. The first one was very detailed and the second one listed the known chemicals I was allergic to that had not shown up in round #1. Every other round after that was just like you described.
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Only the last test when it is found that no more dysregulations can be found is accompanied by a letter that will give the details for the sections 1.1 through 10.l., i.e. the status of the dysfunctions with the green/yellow/red indications.
The letter that comes with the last test results also says: "..it might take some time for your body to restructure all matter. Please allwo your body the time to do that. Our rule of thumb is that a restructuring may take up to one year if disruptions existed for ten years."
They cannot identify by name any of the 80,000 chemicals individually that could possibly be causing the dysregulations. They are referring to chemical groups, not individual chemicals.
Take care.
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Lex, you would be the first one on Lymenet I think with an excessive essential mineral base. Maybe have a mineral test done to see where you are and to make sure that they are balanced. Usually, people with a perfect mineral base do not accumulate toxins -- the body is able to get rid of them. Lack of essential minerals is one of the reasons we cannot regulate.
We may not realize it while on this therapy, but the body is very busy trying to end the disruptions, and adding more to this I am not sure is necessary. We are not getting any place faster by overdoing it. The opposite. All of us are doing a major overhaul! whether we know it or not. That is at least my understanding and explanation to how I react to the therapy. Whenever I have talked to AI, they always encourage "listen to your favorite music, smell the roses" -- they don't say push more with this or that.
Support, yes.
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MSM and Neurological Diseases
The brain is extremely sensitive to the effects of toxic materials such as heavy metals and organic compounds. Many of these compounds tend to accumulate in nerve cells where they can cause severe oxidative damage. Neurological disturbances such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease, may be the result. MSM is one of the few antioxidants which can easily pass the blood-brain barrier. It prevents and repairs oxidative damage and restores cell membrane elasticity and permeability. This allows the nerve cells to start excreting waste products.
The powerful action of MSM is illustrated in the following example. An older woman suffered from poisoning caused by exposure to aluminum. This heavy metal had accumulated in her brains and caused severe neurological damage. The woman had been confined to her bed for six years, unable to communicate with her surroundings. All this time she had not spoken a word. Medical doctors could no longer help her and had given up on her. She was completely dependent on her husband who took complete care of her needs. A natural health care practitioner advised two teaspoons of MSM (about 15 grams) daily. The MSM passed the blood brain barrier, and restored the permeability of the brain cell membranes, following which her brain cells were allowed to purge the heavy metal poisons. Two weeks later, the orthomolecular physician prescribed a warm bath to her in which special substances had been added to help her eliminate the released poisons through the skin. After twenty minutes in this bath, the woman suddenly smiled and said "Gee, I feel much better now." These were the first words she had spoken in years. Several months later, the woman was capable of leading a normal life again (7).
(From a 16 page article all about MSM, the best one I have ever found, that I posted yesterday again on LN)
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I know I'm mineral deficient, more so now that I stopped taking mag glycinate. My calcium also went down the drain too as I was taking coral legend (Premier Research Labs). My ph is 5.8 -- way too low.
Am waiting for hair analysis to come back.
Hope you all had a good Fourth.
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I am supplementing with a multivitamin, multimineral (and extra zinc) supplement that I think Dr H developed. I also take magnesium. I do know that I am feeling better doing this. I did not even know AI existed before starting my abx/herbal treatment...will certainly do it once I am off the abx.
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Gigi, I wonder what the substances were that the physician prescribed to go in the bath...any ideas?
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Hi all, Today we heard that my oldest daughter tested positive for KPU and also has very high lead and mercury in her system. (Boy, does this explain a LOT!)
It is a blessing in a way because it has prompted her to go on the AI therapy sooner than originally planned. So she is weaning off her thyroid and adrenal meds.
Will the drops release the lead? Are there any special binders for lead?
We have apple pec, chlorella, microsilica, glycine, anc activated charcoal.
Also, approximately when should she start with mineral supplementation for KPU?
THere are now 5 people in my family who will be on AI. I'm going to go buy some different colored sharpies as someone suggested, but overall, I am slightly overwhelmed.
It is a blessing tho, and I am truly grateful for the chance to change our rotten DNA.
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thejoje...
glad your daughter found what she needs to begin to improve. When my daughter started the zinc...and then the core, she felt better mentally very quickly. She had no other reactions to the KPU protocol. Said she was finally feeling normal and had more energy and could cope with school stresses better.
also then beginning the liquid multi minerals...she knew she was finally improving. Got much stronger physically too. Although she did experience some detox issues with the minerals...like aches and pains as metals were moving...she just did not complain, as she had worse feeling in her joints previously before treatments.
WE both began movin lead from the long bones...especially in the shins. Came out on its own around round 6 or 7 if I recall. Lead and aluminum were our largest "dumps" to begin...mercury is slow but steady.
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Wow, 5 people on AI therapy. Talk about costly!!! Well, I guess so is medical care when we get sick so it may work. This AI therapy is becoming the next big thing on Lymenet. It looks like the trains are getting packed. Posts: 7545 | From The 5th Dimension - The Twilight Zone | Registered: Mar 2008
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Do you remember when your daughter started the zinc. Was she already on the drops?
Did your daughter use the biotensor too?
Was she faithful to use the binders?
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Does anyone know if Alinia is ok to take while on AI? I just looked it up and sometimes it is referred to as an "antibiotic" yet it is for parasites mainly.
I can email HG as well, but just curious if anyone else already knew.
Also, HG did email me back regarding my ileocecal valve and being allergic now to almost every food and he said that it can happen in between drops where the body is a bit in chaos.
Thanks!
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Is HG a physician (MD)? How does this person know of all medical conditions? I'm just curious what this person's medical specialty is. It seems AI fields tons of medical issues like this.
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Seekhelp - I live in New England where many of the "fine medical schools" are. I know many physicians (MDs) who are experts in handing out an rx to make the symptoms go away. This is how many of our problems got started - suppressing the bodies own response.
HG is not an MD. If it is your natural path in life to study how the body reacts when in chaos, how blocked organs function or do not or to even know how different systems work together - you are likely to know more about about the root cause of "medical conditions" than some MDs.
If I break my leg, send me to the ER. If I want to know what chemicals I need to recognize in order to clear them or to find out to what extend the recirculation of toxins is affecting my health - send me to HG.
There are some MDs I would trust in those departments but not many.
Too many times I asked "what causes this?" to and MD and got "I don't know".
Just my opinion.
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Can anyone explain the difference between BioPure's MicroMinerals and MatrixMinerals? (I am taking the Electrolyte Enhanced Matrix Formula but want to add minerals.)
Thanks!
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Can anyone explain the difference between BioPure's MicroMinerals and MatrixMinerals? (I am taking the Electrolyte Enhanced Matrix Formula but want to add minerals.)
Thanks!
P.S. Most of the pain I had been experiencing off drops has stopped as I began the next round of drops (#7). I guess it is reordering the chaos! Thanks to everyone who made suggestions to help with the detox bone/muscle pain.
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thejojoe, and others with teenagers on AI...
Daughter never used the tensor...and I do not use it around her or my family on a regular basis...she is not open to energy medicine in general,(laughs at me a little as Mom's silly things) but only took the drops to get me off her back originally...and because it caused me to stop feeding her mega doses of pills and capsules daily. Although she does allow me at times to test products for her...and she humors me.
She never believed the supplements worked for her that she was on for two years...and now I know she was correct as she was not able to absorb them or digest them well before AI with the leaky gut, etc! Said she felt sick from them!
Taking only a few drops daily was a mental relief for her... and because of her positive experiences with them...she will now not do without them now. She is a believer in AI, especially because she can now eat all foods, and be in nature, and hug cats and dogs with no problems and breath swimming in chlorinated water twice a day. (she had very severe allergies)
As she is away in college...she will only take minimal things and they have to taste good and be a simple protocol for her to comply. I cannot monitor her as if she was home. It actually has been a healing release for me as well, as not trying to have her on the perfect protocol, just a good simple healthy one that will not harm her. Childrens' health take a big toll on a mothers health!
She does not take binders regularly or hardly at all and in general does not have any physical complaints. Although I do know she has had detox issues (she doesn't really get it)...and at those times I have suggested chlorella which she did say she took to help her through.
Any aches and pains she has had, she attributes as just normal for athletes, or any viruses etc that have come out, she just gets through it and tells me about it too late.
I send in her saliva and ask her how she feels...always first says great..no problem, then when I probe with detox type questions...I hear of her aches and pains that have come and gone. I do know that if things were bad, she would call me to ask about what to do...which she rarely has done, except with she had the flu (possible swine flu for three weeks...and then pneumonia during finals).
So her mental attitude is not of someone who feels like she has a chronic illness any longer. This has changed positively. No depression any longer. It is so refreshing to have a happy teen.
She started the zinc after starting the drops...in the first rounds. She was actually on the complete KPU protocol for about 1 1/2 months, but found it to difficult mentally to do, taking each individual mineral throughout the day...so she refused to continue, even with her extreme KPU....this was before Core came on the scene.
She agreed to just stick with the Zinc alone during breaks between the drops. She was living at home in senior year of high school then. Now in College ...we found Core...and she has been taking Core, only between AI rounds. She is not taking it religously...but certain weeks on and certain weeks off.
I know whe sould physically benefit from taking the individual KPU ingredients...but taking only Core is better than nothing at this time. The zinc is what I believe has given her the relief from depression. So she now knows that helps her versus taking an antidepressant. She experiences the mental benefits.
At that time we also started her on liquid minerals. They tested ok to take with the AI and the Core minerals...it was not too much at once for her. She likes to take the mango flavored Intra-Min by Drucker labs. Easy to take in the measured ounce/cap tha comes with it for a teen. Stores easily in her frig and comes in small bottles when she travels with sports. She feels fantastic with this, and takes it off and on weekly. It tests for her as good as the biopure matrix minerals, but more convenient for her to take. ( I do test products for her, before getting them...)
When she was done school, I looked in the plastic box I loaded with binders and emergency health products...and saw none of them open except the chlorella! So even preparing some teens with the right weapons for health defense is useless!
Just want to encourage you to make it simple for a teenager if possible. When my daughter feels in control and makes her own positive health decisions it is all good. Otherwise if she is forced to do something that is mentally distasteful to her...she will not comply and will not improve and hide that fact from me. Creating more angst for the whole family then we will not remain healthy! It snowballs...so be patient and help her keep it simple.
Her protocol may not be so perfect...but at least she will do something that will benefit her rather than nothing. Less is more for teens!
They will have to learn on their own with a little positive reinforcement from us. As they mature they will know how to care for themselves.
Just my personal experience to encourage you.
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Wiser - glad you are feeling better!
I inquired at BioPure last year about the difference between MicroMinerals and MatrixMinerals.
They said that usually DK suggests Micro for supplementation and Matrix for supplementation/detox.
The minerals list on the two differ in that there are many more in MatrixMinerals.
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Very good advice, Lp. I am writing all of it down.
Maybe we could co-author a book one day about the ways to make our kids well -- "How to Sneak Your Kids to Health", what do you think?
When you get a chance, could you share what dosage/brand of zinc you purchased?
And thanks for the great advice and all that you went through with your daughter's illness.
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That was a lovely post, Lp and one I can identify with: I send my son [the one with Gilbert's Syndrome] off to university each term with a few supplements and things for flu, but most of them still come back little used!
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I had another question as I think candida may be an issue for me as well. I'm trying to eat less sugar, but need to keep weight on and found that gluten free vegan baked goods help :-) Also, the candida diet says vegetables and various meats, but I'm trying to be easy on my digestive system and I think meat is difficult to digest?
Anyone have thoughts?
Also, HG emailed me back within 1 day! That was reassuring.
Waiting for our 5th round of drops! Starting my husband on the drops as well so hope it goes well for him too!
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Hey all, I just sent payment to AI and noticed that they are tacking on an additional $6 for postage. Has this additional charge always been there (and I didn't notice) or is this something new?
Either way, do we still send out the $10 separately for postage?
Thanks
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I always just send it via Paypal and include my PSP numbers so they know for sure who sent it.
I knew to send postage money when I started back in February, but not sure it said $6.00.
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AI asks to send 6.00 Euros for postage for each bottle/package. Call it shipping & handling. If you look at the label of the yellow box the drops come in - you will notice that it costs that much. It is stamped right on the label. Before the value of the Dollar/Euro changed, that equalled $10.00 (US Dollars). So anyone who wanted to reimburse them in cash, would send a $10 bill. This is how most Germans do it.
Not sure it is safe. German friends of ours ordered a CD once from some American company and put the cash in the envelope (they did it while they were vacationing here in this country and had no checking acct) and of course never saw the CD nor any other response. I tried to make up for the loss later and sent them a CD, but of course it was not the same as the CD of The Fifties' Music that they had listened to and wanted.
So they ask either $10.00 or 6.00 Euro (symbol is E with dash - not on my old keyboard) for each shipment.
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This sounds good - will do it that way tonight!
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Gettin and all, It is difficult to detox without the right proteins. There are some tribes up in the high mountains of Peru or somewhere who live on nothing but sweet potatoes and are perfectly healthy. That does not work for us. DK repeats again and again - "have never met a healthy vegetarian".
Most of us need digestive aids, at least for a while, especially after the leaky gut has done a number on us.
As you are releasing metals, you will notice fungi/candida neurotoxins flaring. But it changes almost daily. If you learn to test yourself, you will notice during AI, one day candida/fungi shows up, next day possible a few bits of virals. A bit of a herpes/mouth is typical. It is the first thing that shows. All part of a general detoxing period. It needs to be addressed on a daily basis. Candida shows, I up garlic or antifungals. Same if viruses test for a day, I add Vit A or garlic or any of the antivirals - for just a day or two.
It all is part of the detoxing - because all in our ecosystem are now on high alert and their way of life is disturbed. After a while all returns to calm. So no need to panic. It is not new, it is exactly as Dr.K. has been preaching for years - "If you have one thing, you also have the others". This is not a reinfection or acute - it is neurotoxins on the move and we feel them.
I would not do Alinia at this point, even if you test for it. It is going to be a much easier process after you have finished a few more bottles and eliminated other dysregulations. Alinia definitely "digs deep" and I would not have wanted to try that during the early rounds.
We just started it on #14 - and we are fully aware of the effects --- the are definitely there. My husband had done Alinia 6plus years ago! These buggers do not go without putting up a fight! Alinia works on all including biofilm. They lived in "heaven" all these years. The body is doing double duty and I do not believe in forcing things too early. That is a decision you need to make. Remember, Dr.K. has been detoxing for twenty some years and more and did not have as nearly as bad AI test results as any of us did. So even though he is doing the drops, his reactions are there, but probably much milder than some of us have experienced. So I don't always do what he says or tests! I learned that many years ago - he is a tough cookie when it comes to tolerance. Don't tell anyone I said so!
Ready for breakfast!
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Thanks Gigi. That is interesting and you make good points.
I'm doing a lot better after starting Ketotifen. I noticed when I did a search on "ketotifen" here on Lymenet that you posted about it a few years back saying it did indeed help leaky gut. I feel so happy! Perhaps because the sun is finally out too :-)
Thanks again.
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I called BioPure about the minerals and they said they cannot give out any information. The guy in K's office, Sam at the dispensary, said the same thing. I wonder if taking the minerals with food would cut down on the brain feeling like it was hit by a truck.
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Minerals should always be taken with food. It actually is, or used to be when food was still food, a part of food.
I do not know how far you are with AI, but one of the reasons AI cautions on taking a lot of products or any products is because you may still be unable to regulate, i.e. still allergic, to some of them. Minerals are a perfectly healthy thing, but when the system turns chaotic, who knows. Go with a bit less, or change the brand, and take them with food. And don't take everything every day.
The more of products you take that have a strong detoxing effect, the worse you may feel because your body still is unable to deal with big loads of toxins.
I had call from a doctor this morning in Europe who told me about a detoxing device that captures the toxins while the person is connected to the device. He was talking that one can actually see the dirt that comes out, visible then in a container, to the naked eye. It's probably a good idea we don't all know how much of that garbage is tugged away in our body.
He mentioned to me to eat two organic bananas a day to get at the enzymes more readily.
Yes, Gettin, I have posted many things over the years - in one ear and out the other for most people. If it doesn't work like a pain pill with instant results, people seem to pass over it.
Yes, the sun is finally out, and I am going to climb up on the roof in a minute to put up sun blinds over the large skylights, so that we will not have to smother in the heat. One of my kids was smart enough to "confiscate" Mom's 24 foot ladder - but I have a shorter one that still reaches where I need to go. Keep your fingers crossed!
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Quoting Nana:
"Too many times I asked "what causes this?" to and MD and got "I don't know".
You said it well, Nana. And if you are old enough as we are to see an old people specialist - he/ she will all tag it onto the "part of getting old" list.
The problem with that is that now kids have problems that already fit that "old" list.
Just got back grandchildren's AI tests. They have everything and more than the parents. So it is a good thing to start early, or as recommended by HG, to do AI before having children. Our 8 months old grandson has all his parents have and some extra.
ukcarry, sorry, I don't know what they put in her bath water in addition to the MSM she was taking.
Take care.
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One of my holistic MDS told me, You have a disadvantage in that you have a methylation defect and you're also up in years (I am 63), but don't let that dissuade you." I could have slugged him.
Yes, I will take the minerals with food. I was under the impression that liquid minerals should be taken away from food and minerals in tablet form with food. But nothing is cast in marble.
I didn't know it got that hot in Seattle, Gigi -- isn't that where you live? We are in Maryland and let me tell you, 105 degrees is sizzling.
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the jojoe... the zinc picolinate we use is from Moss Nutrition....Cardiovascular Research Ltd. 25 mg.
Must test for individual amounts and when to take.
I suggest your daughter get tested for individual products in the KPU protocol along with testing the multi mineral core mix designed specifically for KPU for better direction for her.
Also, I do not test to take Core or Zinc any longer now that I am done with AI. I am plannng on testing my daughter this weekend when she comes home...to see if she still tests energetically for it.
We will both do the KPU urine test again when she is done with AI, to see what our numbers are. It would not surprise me if we will eventually be free of KPU as things seem to be clearing for us in general.
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Just got my 14th bottle of drops--been doing AI without a break for well over a year.
The latest report shows 4 energetic blockades and 6 chemical subatances.
I started the new drops today, hoping I do OK with them in the heat of summer.
Best wishes to everyone! Nutmeg
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Just a warning: do not take zinc on your own. Zinc needs the supporting enzymes and more. Many of us test with AI with a defect in enzyme production. Look up your AI test, section 13.1. Zinc can do the opposite, i.e. carry metals where you do not want them. Read Klinghardt literature carefully before you extra dose with single minerals and base it on good energetic testing or lab work.
Better safe than sorry.
Take care.
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Good comment Gigi....I agree.
When I mentioned Zinc usage for my daughter...it was used with proper lab and energetic testing...for her.
Always a risk to follow someone elses protocol.
I give what has worked for us so possibly others can get a direction to explore, or support if going thru the same issues....not to have others follow exactly what we are doing and to blindly follow without knowing individually what is needed at the time.
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Because the BioPure products contain frequencies, I am wondering -- HG says not to do any other frequency work. If they contain the KMT or Rife frequencies, that could explain why I'm having a hard time with BP minerals.
Premier Research Products are also energized.
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Lex, Biopure products contain the ingredients listed. Nothing more, nothing less. I have used them for many years because I know DK does not promote a product or use it in his practice unless it is clean and has proven to work. He does not use a product if his patients do not benefit from it.
Maybe you know something I don't when you talk about added frequencies!!!!
AI in itself is a powerful act and if you overdo it by adding too many and too much of mobilizing products, that may be a part of your problem. There is a definite reason why AI recommend not to add much, but liquids. If you have been toxic for a long time and your body has been unable to regulate, it means that going slow is better. Detoxing is definitely a balancing act that is different for every person.
You always have a choice - stop doing AI or reduce it and/or stop adding extra products your body can't deal with yet. Only you can control that.
Hope things start working for you soon. It is difficult to comment without knowing exactly what you take and do.
Take care.
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I just noticed that for my first round AI documented items from 1.1 through 14.1, but the last letter they sent where they said I had not disregulations, they only showed results from 1.1-10.1.
Nana and LP, did that happen with you?
Lee
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In one of Dr. K's DVDs, he mentions that Rife frequencies are added to the cilantro and in the ART III DVDs he mentioned that the products have been energized.
I am not taking much of anything but did try the minerals and electrolytes. I take enzymes and betaine with meals. Trust me, I have dropped a lot of the things I was taking..
I ask a lot of questions because I'm also a practitioner and want to be able to be a good detective. This Lyme stuff has humbled me greatly and I bow to you,Gigi, for sharing your journey with all of us.
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Lee - I am away and do not have my "end" test results with me but mine did not include everything that the first test did.
Only things that still show dysregulation, even if they went from red to green but not still in the "perfect" range, those are the ones that are listed.
If it's not there, I think it's same to assume it was cleared (even if it takes time to work all of it out).
Lex - check the dates on the DVDs about cilantro. Things change as new things are learned. Cilantro is something I keep my hands off. If someone's body is loaded with mercury and you start pulling it from the brain..... not something I would want to do.
I was at the ART III seminar and I don't recall anything about products being energized but maybe I missed something. I would think it might have to say so on the bottle.
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I know that cilantro is a hard hitter and I have avoided it for years. Once was enough. As a matter of fact, I have avoided most things -- detox is something I was afraid to do because every dr. that put me on this or that caused backfires.
In the ART III dvds it mentions that neem is energized and I believe he said that the BioPure products are energized as are those from Premier Research Labs. Since I don't exactly know what "energized" means I thought I would bring it up and dig deeper hoping that someone has the answer.
Perhaps the interview with Mercola and DK is an old one (it's on the Web) where K. mentions that cilantro contains Rife frequencies. Since then DK uses the KMT frequencies. I have the machine with the 12 frequencies which I have not used since going on the AI drops. Even when I used it, I did so very little as all I got was more herxing.
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Dr. K did mention on several occasions at the most recent seminar, that the Biopure products are produced pure and with his specific instructions or direction, with some special attributes. I just received my tape from the conference, so I'll take not when I review it.
I do not recall specifically what he said, as it was vague, but it also did make me think it was either frequencies, or gems, or some sort of energy or intention that make the products very special and effective in his opinion. I seem to recall him saying something like special or unique many times, which did catch my attention. They seem to test well for most people.
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Dear Friends,
As you may or may not recall, I was told in April that I was done. I didn't agree. GiGi and I had some email traffic about what I was taking at the time, and found that the Intrisic Factor in one of my supplements for methylation (detoxing) could throw off the results.
So, I waited (impatiently) for a couple of months to pass and sent in a new sample.
It was not a pleasant couple of months, either. I had seizures, high temperature, a migraine that had me screaming in pain (never had one that bad!!), and other problems.
And, I finally investigated the one tooth with a root canal in it, found it was defectively treated, and had it pulled and the cavitation handled.
I recently got the results from AI--I'm not done. I received Round # 13 drops, and am now taking them.
And, due to metals issues and inadvertently giving myself more with the brand of chlorella I was taking, I'm now getting some EDTA chelation intravenously. I actually found a doctor in my area who trained under Dr. K!!!
More news as I get it.....
Best,
Cass A
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Cass A,
Thanks for sharing your news as this info will be helpful for many on this thread. Glad you are now getting to the "root" of things. I do hope your other issues begin clearing!
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