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Janice70
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He said just keep getting tested every 12 months. Is a reading of 19 bad?
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What kind of pressure?


Drops for what?


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www.emedicinehealth.com/ocular_hypertension/article_em.htm


Normal eye pressure ranges from 10-21 mm Hg


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One book that I find excellent is:


http://tinyurl.com/9ba7pq (through Amazon)


The Eye Care Revolution: Prevent & Reverse Common Vision Problems - by Robert Abel, Jr., M.D.


You can look inside the book and read customer reviews at the link.

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There is also an audio version of the book available.


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Pressure relating to glaucoma. I read that 21 or over means you probably have glaucoma.
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If you are concerned about possible glaucoma, best to see an opthalmologist.

Since certain eye problems are common with Lyme (and I think optic nerve issues can be a problem), ideally see a Lyme-literate neuro-opthalmologist.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glaucoma

Glaucoma

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Dr. Abel has a chapter about Glaucoma in the book linked in post above. On page 126, he says that one common factor many with glaucoma share is high blood pressure.

He also says (on p. 125) that there is more to it than eye pressure. It's too long to copy, but this is very well worth getting to read this chapter alone (34 pages).


You might try to cross search a researcher he quotes: Alan Robin, MD and his article in the December 1997 Issue of Ophthamology Times. Dr. Robin has a different way to assess beyond just eye pressure.

The Beaver Dam Eye Study and the East Baltimore Eye Survey - found that 40 % of people with glaucoma have "normal" pressure.

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So, if you are doing the very best you can to take care of yourself, treating lyme accordingly, etc., reading more about what you can do to help your eyes . . . that will all be empowering and may serve to protect your eyes.

Dr. Abel also discusses, in detail, nutritional therapy - and also how some medicines (and drug interactions) can actually be toxic to the eyes.

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There is also a great group of eye exercises you can find in this book/ DVD and on some You Tube videos:

Yoga for Your Eyes: Natural Vision Improvement Exercises by Meir Schneider


The Bates Method - "Better Eyesight Without Glasses" is also a good book, upon which the Yoga book is based.


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And this book, in addition to specifics on treating lyme/TBD, offers a great deal about how to take care of ourselves as lyme patients.


This book, by an ILADS member LLMD, holds great information about treatments options and support measures:


http://tinyurl.com/6lq3pb (through Amazon)


THE LYME DISEASE SOLUTION (2008)

- by Kenneth B. Singleton , MD; James A. Duke. Ph.D. (Foreword)

You can read more about it here and see customer reviews.

Web site: www.lymedoctor.com


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Erica makes a good point. In re-reading your headline, I see you saw an Optometrist.


You might ask your LLMD for a referral to a LL eye specialist - as Erica suggests, it's best to see a Lyme-literate neuro-opthalmologist if you have eye problems.


(Are you being treated for lyme? Do you have a LLMD? If so, have you discussed your eye symptoms with him/her? That would be important.)


Good luck to you!


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www.itmonline.org/arts/glaucoma.htm


Treatment Of Glaucoma With Chinese Herbs


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Hi. Newbie here. I'm a very sick eye doc with Lyme, bartonella, and borelliosis. Eye pressure up to 29 may be normal. Not a very good test for glaucoma. Better to look for dammage to optic nerve (visual nerve) with dilated exam. When in doubt, a threshold visual field test (painless but boring) can be done to detect early glaucoma. Other reliable tests that can help pick up glaucoma include corneal pachymetry and gonioscopy. I agree that optic neuritis is a much greater concern with Lyme than glaucoma, but of course the possibility of glaucoma still exists in everyone. If you're quite concerned about glaucoma, easiest way to rule it out would be the visual field route. Maybe ask a glaucoma specialist for a second opinion. Hope this helps.

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breaking this up for us severe neuros to be able to read/comprehend. betty


quote:
Originally posted by Rebekah:

Hi. Newbie here.

I'm a very sick eye doc with Lyme, bartonella, and borelliosis.


Eye pressure up to 29 may be normal. Not a very good test for glaucoma.


Better to look for dammage to optic nerve (visual nerve) with dilated exam.

When in doubt, a threshold visual field test (painless but boring) can be done to detect early glaucoma.


Other reliable tests that can help pick up glaucoma include corneal pachymetry and gonioscopy.


I agree that optic neuritis is a much greater concern with Lyme than glaucoma, but of course the possibility of glaucoma still exists in everyone.


If you're quite concerned about glaucoma, easiest way to rule it out would be the visual field route. Maybe ask a glaucoma specialist for a second opinion.

Hope this helps.

rebekah,

welcome and thank you so much for sharing your expertise!!

do you have a llmd, lyme literate md; if not, post in seeking dr. forum.

subject: show the state you live in, LLMD NEEDED

your above comments i broke up with be a wonderful addition on there for your introduction as well!


i would have sent the below to you by private message, PM, but you have NOT enabled that feature. that is how we send llmd names to newbies. they are NOT to be posted on public board ok.

if you are interested in getting pms, click on your PROFILE ABOVE, chose UPDATE PROFILE, and go to the bottom where it asks about private messages and chose YES. click update; done.

if you chose later to STOP it, do same procedure and show no again ok [Smile]

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Welcome; i'm so glad you found us!! You've come to the right place for education and support!


Dr. Burrascano's most recent "Diagnostic Hints and 2008 Treatment Guidelines for Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses" .
http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/treatment_guidelines.html


PAGES 17-19 discuss ADULT & KIDS MED TREATMENTS!
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/80440?#000006
Dr. B's Supplement List
http://www.lymepa.org/Nutritional_Supplements.pdf


this link, making the most of your LLMD visit, may help you also.
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=020605#000005

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/77378

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TREEPATROL'S NEWBIE LEARNING LINKS ... over 1000 links of good info and guidelines galore!! MUST SKIM & READ !!

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/29917
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Betty's suggested POSTING GUIDELINES . many of us have neuro lyme where we can NOT read long solid block text and be able to comprehend and read it as is.

please edit your post by CLICKING PAPER/PENCIL ICON to right of your name. that opens up BOTH subject line and body text.

now please break up your WORDY SENTENCES into one sentence paragraphs. Then hit ENTER KEY ``TWICE`` after each paragraph; we need that space for comprehension.

then go to left hand corner and mark box to receive ALL REPLIES, and click EDIT SEND

we thank you for helping us; [Wink] otherwise, we will SOB, SCROLL ON BY, since we can't read to help you. If I see posts like this, I SOB them; to hard on me.
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People seeking doctors might be able to get help from their state online information and support group. Nearly 3,400 people belong to state groups. Some of the groups are small but more than 20 of them have 50 or more people and seven have over 100.

To find your state group, go to
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/statenamelyme

Type your state name and lyme as one word, like this -
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/newyorklyme

South Carolina is the only state that needs a hyphen between the statename
and lyme, e.g. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/southcarolina-lyme

The groups are moderated and you have to apply. Most don't allow doctor names, but once on the group, you can ask for doctors in a certain area and ask people to email you privately.
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This explains the medical politics around lyme WHY you need an ILADS-educated or ILADS-member LLMD (and there are also some ILADS-member LL NDs (naturopathic doctors):

www.clinicaladvisor.com/Controversy-continues-to-fuel-the-Lyme-War/article/117160/


TESTING

You should also be evaluated for coinfections. Not all tests are great in that regard, either, but a good LLMD can evaluate you and then guide you in testing. One of the top labs is:

www.igenex.com IGENEX

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There are a couple other good labs for certain tests: Fry; Clognen; Focus. Your LLMD will know.
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VERY important to read - even BEFORE testing:

Dr C's Western Blot explanation is discussed here:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=042077

"With most infections, your immune system first forms IgM antibodies, then in about 2 to 4 weeks, you see IgG antibodies. In some infections, IgG antibodies may be detectable for years.

Because Borrelia burgdorferi is a chronic persistent infection that may last for decades, you would think patients with chronic symptoms would have positive IgG Western blots.

But actually, more IgM blots are positive in chronic borreliosis than IgG. Every time Borrelia burgdorferi reproduces itself, it may stimulate the immune system to form new IgM antibodies.

Some patients have both IgG and IgM blots positive. But if either the IgG or IgM blot is positive, overall it is a positive result.

Response to antibiotics is the same if either is positive, or both. Some antibodies against the borrelia are given more significance if they are IgG versus IgM, or vice versa.

Since this is a chronic persistent infection, this does not make a lot of sense to me. A newly formed Borrelia burgdorferi should have the same antigen parts as the previous bacteria that produced it.

But anyway, from my clinical experience, these borrelia associated bands usually predict a clinical change in symptoms with antibiotics, regardless of whether they are IgG or IgM."
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