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Actually, I would like to hear your thoughts on that, Tracy.

Sadly, very few are going to be interested in the topic anyway.

Thats too bad when epigenetics is the basis of the future of medicine.

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No not heard from Sparkle and hope she is OK as well..
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Sparkle is fine, I think she needs some time off from the lyme world.

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Oh, thanks for the Sparkle Report, Bob. Good to know.

I started back on the Cosmic/ Prill Water yesterday. I'll be more patient watching for results this time.

R62, I'll post on the Epigenetics thread and bring it back to the first page. Maybe it's the wrong time of year for that type of discussion. People are busy enjoying what they can of summer or are involved in warm-weather projects. I know that's my main issue right now - too many other priorities occupying my mind.

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I'm also out a bit from LN.

I think Sparkle is fine (she sent me an email not long ago that I still have to answer...) and great to know Alv is trying to live her life again!

If it takes time to get out of lyme and all health problems, it takes LONGER to heal the rest around (relashionships, house, garden, professional life). Much longer than healing the body.

Creativeness will come up again slowly, knowing again what is to ENJOY simple things in life will come back again (music, dance, eating out, friends swimming, cycling, reading things that have nothing to do with lyme or disease, and so on...).

The physical energy is the first to come back and it can come back rather fast when all infections and great load of toxins are out. Multitasking comes back with physical energy, I feel.

But all the other subtler energies will come back only slowly after. For me, the main thing I notice that is back is INITIATIVE. I only knew I had lost it for years when it finally came back recently.

I find it is mixed with creativeness and feeling pleasure. I want to get more pleasure out of everything (food, activities, work, relashionships, music, whatever), then I'm more creative to achieve that. All that involves personal initiative, get to the telephone, google, new shops, new places, new experiments...

When I was still sick, to go out to simple excursions or to the swimming pool was hell. It involved so much planning that I couldn't handle without much effort. I still remember that very clearly, like if it were yesterday.

Driving became boring again, while before it was big effort not to crash into another car or kill a pedestrian!

Even my sense of direction came back, and I feel, better than I ever had. I suppose some heavy metal cleansing in my brain did the job?

It is funny that these 3 concepts keep popping up in my head (initiative, creativeness and pleasure) as though I had never had them before. I am only SO aware of them because I lost them during lyme.

I'm also working on my fears, that sickness will come back again one day. I still have to fight with my brain saying "I don't need to take these remedies with me anymore when I go out for a week". Nor my PE-1.

That is where I'm working now. I can't live in constant fear of being sick again, I have to enjoy life as it is. But it is not that easy because I'm dealing with a recent trauma.

Enjoy the sun and the water, Alv! These precious moments, even if we relapse a bit after, will be imprinted and are sort of inspiration for us to continue our healing journeys!

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Great to hear you're doing well, Alv; all the best to you,


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Alv! You GO, girl! Enjoy your improved health, by all means. That's the bottom line for all of us. And thanks for checking in - I was wondering about you......

And same for you, Selma - in your recent post - and other posts, as well - you've beautifully described your journey back to wellness and the `collateral' healing that takes place along with just the physical aspect.

I want to experience those things that you and Alv - and Bob and Bejoy, etc. - have described. I felt like I was on my way there before I broke my pelvis 2 years ago. Nothing has been the same with me since then. It seemed like I `recovered' well from the actual physical broken bone itself and thought that's all that mattered, but something fundamental was altered.

I lost my boyfriend of 6 years at almost the same time. I thought I handled that somewhat gracefully, as well. Maybe it was the combination of the two events - enough `trauma' on more than just the physical level that set certain processes in motion...... and shut down other areas of Me. Whatever it was that changed, I simply could not `pick up where I left off' and move forward.

Now I know why some prominent homeopaths and unorthodox practitioners write entire books on the effects of trauma. And no wonder some of the treatments along the lines of AI are getting a lot of well-deserved attention. We all have a lot to `undo' and a lot to get rid of besides just infections.

I'll be starting my new `protocol' in early August - after a couple of important events are finished. Plus, there was a foul-up and still one product I don't have yet.

And besides eating some toasted marshmallows this summer, [Big Grin] I plan to find some time to go shooting in the near future. It's been nearly 3 years. Time to enjoy it again before I forget how. [Smile]

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Congratultions Alv and Selma.:-) Thank you so much for sharing your journey with us and leaving so much good insight and experience for us.

I have taken the yasko test for methylation and have 15 of 30 genes polymorphic. Urine test shows very low to non existant cobalt which is supposed to mean B12 is not being utilized.

I have located an ND who is familiar with the methylation issues and works in a clinic that incorporates many of Dr. Ks techniques.

She uses Scio and there are detox specialists there who use ART. They work as a team. I will hopefully have my amalgam situation evaluated.. and taken care of there.

Hoping to find an energetic way to address methylation and everything else for that matter. I think this may be my best place to go for now.

My goal is if there is active Bb, to eventually treat with photons. I cant see using the abx route or herbs long term. But.. whatever it takes to get well, i need to stay open to.

Please share your new protocol, Tracy!

Oh.. body temp is still regulated and hair still not falling out from NMT. Less shakes and tremors (knock on wood) but more pain and muscle weakness. Not sure if it is the NMT working things out or the way lyme and company works. We worked on a balancing immune pathway last time and are to work on the two other pathogen pathways next unless something else comes up.

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R62 -- add the mms, 6 drops in water twice a day it will kill the lyme start with one drop twice a day working to 6. Your body shouldn't struggle to much with that dose and imo is synergistic with the LED. Add l-citrulline when doing the LED treatments 1/4 teaspoon of powder twice a day. first thing in the morning and before bed at night. Will take care of any ammonia buildup as well as increasing nitrous oxide lost from the LED treatment. Just my opinion, but I think that will get you closer. If later down the road you need to do KPU which I'm guessing is the case.

I also like taking teasel root tincture. 2 to 3 drops in water three times a day. I feel it is very strong herbal medicine.

by doing all the above, take herbs to support liver, kidneys and bladder to help ensure elimination and organ health.

I'm writing this quickly, just providing some ideas for others to chime in.

Tracy soooo sorry for some of the traumas you had to endure. I hope sometime in the future we can all sit down together and enjoy a few of your famous toasted morcels and have a good laugh.

I'm very happy for the success of both Alv and Selma. Its sweeter then marshmallow morcels. [lol]

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R62, I will share my protocol, though about all I will be able to tell you is the name of the product and what in it and what it's supposed to do...... I finally got a list made up and a `schedule' made so I can stay on track. Oh, and some of the `imprinting' stuff she did is only available as a printout, and I won't have that info for a week or two. I'm still VERY nervous about some of this.....

R62, with all these tests you've had done, was there any protocol or products recommended at the time for treatment? (I think you talked about some of this but that was many pages back. I'm not sure what you ended up doing and how you ended up taking/doing what you have recently....)

Thanks, Bob - I know we've all been to hell and back at various times in our lives. I also know that some are more likely to be affected long-term than others, and as in my case, I'm not even aware of it. The effect goes far beneath the surface.

Bob, you've mentioned bile salts in the past. Could you share what specific product(s) you used?

Preferably on a beach near sunset...... I love the image of all of us sharing some laughs around a fire while toasting a few marshmallows. By the way, you get penalized if your marshmallow catches fire...... so I suggest you practice beforehand. [Big Grin]

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I've got to admit it, I've been too busy enjoying life to spend much time on lymenet. I'm writing this with a huge sense of happiness, and with great encouragement to everybody that you can get well.

I spent the weekend hiking at 9,000 feet enjoying the alpine wildflowers, and also remembering how to roll my kayak in the local reservoir, something I have not dreamed of attempting in many years.

I have had lyme and or co-infections since I was 7. I'm 44 now. I was seriously ill for most of the last 15 years, with some rebounds and breaks along the way.

The deeper I look into my recovery process, the more I understand about shock and trauma on a deep level, to the point that it affects the immune system.

The body/mind is one system, and trauma is trauma regardless of the cause. Trauma can come from car accidents, abandonment, toxins, bacterial overload, and anything too intense to handle all at once.

When there is more trauma than we can handle, the body will go into shock, and become unresponsive to the situation. Even the immune system will sometimes not respond to a terrible onslaught of multiple tick born infections, This can help why some people are more vulnerable than others to tick born infections.

My history contained birth trauma, loss of a sibling, mercury toxicity from a mouth full of amalgams, encephalitis at age 7, a serious neck injury at age 17 without any family support, yada, yada.

At 22 multiple tick bites and weeks of no sleep threw me into illness without internal reserves or external resources to recover.

The key to my recovery seems to be gathering resources of all kinds to help the limbic system and immune system recover from shock and trauma, so they can respond to illness in a healthy way.

Treatment included counseling, bodywork for physical injury, CST for deep level shock, and of course immune support to attack the pathogens, and detox support to clear all manor of the unwanted out of the body.

Clearing lyme borrelia to the point that my immune system can effectively respond to any low level that may pop up has been a remarkable and successful journey.

I have twice had lyme return symptomatically after periods of extreme stress and trauma, but both times recovery was straight forward using the biophoton and nosode technique.

A very interesting aspect of my recovery has been the discovery of the tick born encephalitis viruses. There seem to be at least one American version and one European. Thanks to Selma for alerting me to the FSME virus.

Biophoton and Nosode treatment for this virus is currently balancing my hormones, reducing pain in my neck and shoulders, giving me more energy, and increasing my neurotransmitters to the point that I feel happier than I remember, possibly ever.

I have treated both with an energy transfer of nosodes available in Europe, and with a series remedy made from the energy signature tester vial.

I encourage people with chronic fatigue symptoms to check into the possibility of these viruses, and to treat as appropriate.

This has been the next step in getting my life back for real.

Best wishes to you all in your health and recovery.

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Thanks for inquiring about me. I'm doing OK. Not completely cured but OK. My main problem now is bad lower back pain. I'm not exactly sure what's causing it.

It may be parasites, a structural thing, or something I can't even imagine, yet. My feeling is that it's still parasites & I ordered some Humaworm today.

I guess I just realized that I didn't have Lyme. I really believe that my main issue is parasites. I went through alot of phases of freaking out & trying to kill everything off too quickly.

There are probably people here who have been misdiagnosed as having Lyme when they don't just like the false negatives.

I wanted to post a warning about MMS. It is very strong stuff & not to be taken casually. Once you begin to kill of the parasites, you may become very ill. Both myself & my guy became very ill from doing this. It kind of feels like a bad flu or virus.

My advice at this point is that one could look at Lyme, etc. as a parasite & start from that point of view. My feeling is that all of the energetic testing & computerized stuff can make things very complicated.

In my experience, it was better to simplify & to start with cleansing & detox. It's really quite powerful. I became quite ill from detoxing which pulled massive amounts of stuff out of me that I would never have imagined were in my body making me ill.

Someone inquired about people getting ill from using the infrared light - yes.... people did become very ill on occasion. One lady e-mailed me & said she ended up in the ER due to using the LightWorks & taking abx at the same time. There have been other occasions where people became very ill, as well.

There was a good article on Mercola recently about certain types of abx. Many of the side effects of abx as were described are the same as symptoms of Lyme as people post here! How do they know which is what?

I became a bit put off by this message board since there may be people here who derive money from touting products. Once we have that, objectivity about treatments goes right out the window.

It also occurred to me that some people here could have obsessions with medical treatments, being ill, etc.

I'm not discounting anyone's suffering or search for a treatment that works - but the concept of obsessiveness did cross my mind.

It also occurred that these people with the energetic testing could take advantage of people & make quite alot of money selling people all kinds of stuff that they don't really need.

I'm not trying to invalidate anything but I'm going to be a bit cautious about this area of medicine. Intuition & trust play a big part in getting well. There are people out there taking advantage of people's desperation & trust.

For me - years of research came down to treating with some of the simplest & most inexpensive things. These are the things that have worked for me. It may not work for others but it's working for me.

I wish I used that $10 grand I dropped on the Fibromyalgia & Fatigue Center & went on vacation to Hawaii instead...

Take care folks!

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That's great bejoy, we seem to all be making progress.

I feel your description of tick born encephalitis viruses had triggered memories of a tick that bit me January 2008. I thought I was making good progress but then started to slip. I found my thyroid tsh level was 72 at one point.

It feels good to feel healthy again. I'm glad your feeling well.

I've been doing a limited form of the KPU protocol. I was taking a good bit of ionic zinc, equivalent to the recommended KPU dose. A little over a week I no longer test for it. I still test for evening primrose, manganese is a no, but still testing for b6.

Its great knowing when and when not to do something.

I'm also thinking of going to a raymon grace seminar in virginia. aug 2 and 3.

I've been creating my own tinctures. I'm planning on starting a poke root, yarrow, st johns wort, and teasel root tincture tomorrow. There is a field growing these plants wild.

I'm going to purchase a PE1 just to have one. The lightworks is just not powerful enough.

Tracy -- the bile acid factors is from Jarrow. I got it had iherb. I used it for about 8 weeks and haven't tested for it since. Bile is interesting, we produce it in small quantities, and our body recycles it. If something damages the level of bile we can find ourselves deficient. Just taking bile acid for a little while can replenish the stores of bile.

Energetic testing allows you to determine if you need more.

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BeeJoy,

You wrote:
"The key to my recovery seems to be gathering resources of all kinds to help the limbic system and immune system recover from shock and trauma, so they can respond to illness in a healthy way. "

Are you saying you did not use any herbal or abx to kill your lyme but rather used techniques to build up your immune system? Yes? thanks, JL

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I have a feeling you are right for more than you Bejoy. I have a strong feeling this will be true for me as well.

Excited to hear more, Tracy. Yes a protocol, very low dose supplements.. its all very interesting. This therapy is described as epigenetic through use of supps to support the methylation cycle.

It would be very interesting to see how homeopathic dilutions of the supps would work.. or if trauma work, etc would do the same. I am going to give specific genetic snps to my NMT therapist to include in one of her scripts.

You can learn more here (its intense reading):

http://www.ch3nutrigenomics.com/phpBB2/index.php

Bob.. wish I could. I'm concerned about citrilline and how it plays in the methyaltion cycle for one who is "broken". Not sure what it breaks down into. I know some of the supps for ammonia break down into glutamate and I may be high in that as well. None of the amino acid supps are recommended by the protocol.. there has to be a reason. I asked the board and waiting for a response. Dr. Y is very particular about how each supp effects the cycle and other supps. Its a strict protocol.

Anyone heard of the teasel healing that uses the flower essence.. think thats how it works.

Friend also doing NMT had a fear traced back to an age of a trauma, had the memory and release from that age which was definitely related to the fear... I didnt know NMT did this and am asking next session to make sure. The practioner combines therapies.. healed his wife and a family member of MS with NMT, alone or in combo with other like therapies.

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Sparkle.. good to hear from you.

Side effects of abx (or any medication).. I have been thinking that alot lately when listening to commercials for drugs.. thinking.. those are my symptoms..

Intuition and trust are huge and so is the process that we all take to our own recovery. Its all a learning process and we all are here to learn different things.. and sometimes the same thing. Like religion.. its personal and sacred this path of illness and healing.

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Teasel either works wonderful or does nothing. This is my own experience. My old lyme disease reacted ZERO to teasel.

Then I got bitten again a few times, and in one of these times, teasel tested good. I took it and yes, it worked VERY WELL.

Daughter's FSME reacted very well to teasel too. Not only as monotherapy, but yes, she reacted well to it too.

Another hint for FSME, high doses of Vit A. But I don't know if it helps with old FSME infections (with acute, it does seem to help).

As for MMS, different diseases, different people, different treatments. I could never ingest it. Rubbed on skin, yes, but not ingest it.

Bob, try to ask if you need MANGANESE WITH ZINC to DETOX heavy metals. If I merely asked 'do I need manganese? or Zinc? I never got any positive.

As for bile, I guess if we add fats (butter, cream, and any natural oils) on the right combination (together with the right foods), it makes your body to produce bile already (?).

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JL, I've used just about everything in my recovery, abx, herbs, homeopathy, structural work, etc. They all helped. In fact the bacteria killing took away some of the cause of shock and overwhelm.

I'm just looking at healing through a different filter at the moment. For me the resources for bacteria killing were essential, but the bottom line was a system too overwhelmed to fight on it's own any more.

What I'm seeing at the present time is how major trauma and micro traumas throughout my life left my body in shock to the point that I had no internal resources to fight infection.

Healing the shock gives my body back the capacity to fight infection in a normal way, like those other people who get bitten but don't get many symptoms...until they have a life crisis.

I have been using biophotons with nosodes to alert my immune system to pathogens it had been ignoring because of being overwhelmed.

I may be talking about trauma in such a way as to make it sound too simplistic. Simple the concept may be, but easy to overcome it may not be. Just going to counseling to get over your issues probably is not going to heal lyme for anybody.

Dealing with trauma on a deep neurological level might heal somebody's lyme, but even so, I wouldn't bet on it without some additional bacteria-fighting technology. Both together are very effective, in my opinion. Take your pick of bacteria fighters. I prefer biophotons and nosodes.

I've seen several different technologies that deal with neurological shock. They include craniosacral therapy, network chiropractic, rapid eye, EFT, NET. I'm sure there are many others. The effectiveness of the therapy usually depends on the skill of the therapist.

I prefer to work with somebody who doesn't need to heal me for their sake, and can just do the techniques from a place of peacefulness and patience with the process. I find that this is usually somebody who has been through their share of trauma and has overcome a great deal of it.

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The teasel i'm using isn't targetted for lyme anymore, just don't think I've got it. it just to help rebuild what is broken, leg muscle and bones. I test very strong for it!

Selma, I don't test very strong for manganese either or together. I think I topped out on both of these metals and I'm in the stage of backing off them. I test more for the b6 and evening primrose then anything else and I think that is winding down too.

I finally broke down and purchased a PE1. Talked with its maker for about 30 minutes, he has great deal of information that he shares on the site.

I determined lightworks isn't going to cut it for the long term. Its just not well built enough. Mine is starting to fail at times. I know a pe1 over the years is going to be a great purchase.

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I would like you guys to know that I'm not anti infrared light & energetic testing. In my case, I feel there is something physical that I needed to work on removing.

I'm concerned that residue from chemtrails or biowarfare may be influencing readings from energetic testing. In my case, several energetic testing methods did not find parasites that I clearly saw leaving my body. So, it can be hit or miss - just like standard lab tests.

I would like to go back to treating on a more subtle level at some point but I found it was important to get as much of the toxins out as possible, first.

Where I live is incredibly sunny & it's stronger than where I lived prior. I have been spending time outside to get infrared light & vit. D.

I feel I don't need to use the LightWorks right now. My feeling now (which I may change as some other time) is that the exposure to LED infrared light may be imbalanced as compared to natural sunlight.

I'm not sure what role the Nogier frequencies add. It may be possible to tape remedies onto the body & just go outside to get the effect. I haven't tried it, so I'm not sure what the result would be as compared to using a device.

I have been reading some of Dr. Schulze's ideas & they make sense to some degree. I just decided to try to take everything back to a simplified form of treatment to see how far I could get with it.

With some of these supplements, we really don't know what the long term repercussions will be to use on their own or in combination.

We also don't know if the supplements are potent or pure, as is the case with many herbal products. Sometimes, they use inferior products to produce the supplements or herbal tinctures/pills. They also may not be as strong as they could be.

If things like trauma or epigenetics can influence our health - it's worthwhile to consider the effects of everything. It's hard to get away from all the toxins, pathogens, toxic emotions, everyday exposure to memes, etc. We don't really know how everything will effects us psychically, spiritually, physically, emotionally...

I decided to try some basic hygiene & concepts of detox as a way to approach the issues of toxification & exposure to pathogens. I'm not sure it will work completely but I figured I'd give it a try.

Bob- I've read some of Raymon Grace's stuff - very interesting!

Good luck to everyone!

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Tracy, I'll get back to you soon, sorry for delay in answering your email!

I hope you are feeling alright. Summer is here, and my moving away too, so quite messy. I'm now on my herbal and remedy cabinetS. There are thousands (no exaggeration) of things to sort out and throw out and to keep.

I discovered I have so many OWN homeopathic substances I had done by myself... I also put all your little homeopathic gifts in bottles and I keep them as gold!!

I didn't take any carcinosin, but stopped testing for it... I guess either a scar treatment or a kind of reiki treatment 'canceled' it.

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I just want to share with you all (that got an infrared machine) that I think I found an effective way to get rid of scars (I mean, of scars as causing troubles)!

The technique is the following: pulsed light, about 60-70% potency, different Nogier frequencies for each scar (muscle tested).

I applied light to the scar, while I tapped all MFT about 12 times each, in order from MFT 1 to MFT 9, and then repeated the operation.

Sometimes, my scar needed still to get further photons without the tapping, but usually, that 2x MFT sequence tapping was enough.

I suspect that I will only need treatment again in 2 months or even 3 months. I will do every month for about 3 months to see if they are definitively gone.

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congrats for your PE1 Bob! Welcome to the club then!!!

Great that teasel works for something else than killing! I didn't know it does.
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Update, if I didn't do it yet:

I had a recent fight with candida (that got dormant fast with Sanum Albicansan and San candida). No diet, no clear symptoms.

My daughter fought something in her intestines too, that reacted to Fortakehl and Ledum. It is dormant too.

It happened when we stopped ALL treatments.

I think that some sort of REIKI massage in the chakras is what we are needing to continue detoxing without supplements. So we are back to this reiki 'massage'.

A few days ago, I noticed I had some pain in one of my thumbs. I tested my box of nosodes, and what came up is NONE of the Bb nosodes (not even the 1,000K), but Borrelia ANTIGEN. So I photooned the nosodes, and yes, the pain is gone.

Funny thing is that one of my toes started to 'herx' too after photoning with Borrelia antigen.

gotta go again!

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Hey, Sparkle - thanks for checking in and letting us know how you are and what you're up to! Sunlight destroys homeopathic remedies - just something to keep in mind if you decide to experiment with taping remedy vials to your body out in the sun. I don't' know much beyond that so not sure which light waves do the damage.

As for energetic testing - computerized or otherwise - I hope it will turn out to be a valid from of prioritization. When too many things go haywire, it becomes nearly impossible to know instinctively where to start. Eventually, perhaps I'll be able to dowse or use a bobber or muscle testing, but until my body gets hydrated and minerals are more in balance, I'm not a good `conduit' for energetic currents. The accuracy won't be consistent. I can still practice, though.

Bob, thanks for info on bile and the Jarrow bile acid factors. I had no idea that we recycle bile! I've realized that my current bowel issue may be a deficiency of bile (judging from my stool color, which HAS changed). Since our intestines require bile to stimulate movement (peristalsis) and keep stool soft, this makes sense. And what also fits the picture is that I'm borderline low on sodium (blood tests) and energetic tests indicate I'm deficient in most minerals, and sodium is ESSENTIAL for bile production. So, it's back to the main mineral/ electrolyte issue. Not sure if I'll order the Jarrow product or just limp along and wait to start my `protocol' and see how that goes.

I've been tempted to try the Triphala again, but really don't want the same problems it caused me before. I should probably just sit tight (no pun intended) and not over-think or over-orchestrate too much right now.

And Bob, I really hope you can go to that Raymon Grace seminar. You seem like a perfect candidate for the type of work that Raymon does! And I'm sure there will be a lot you can share with us, as well. Go for it!

Bejoy, you've expressed the whole trauma dynamic perfectly - thanks so much for that.

R62, yes it WOULD be interesting to see how homeopathic dilutions of various supps might work. Selma has certainly found that dilutions often work better than `therapeutic' (full strength) doses.

HI, Selma - no problem. Just answer when you get time. I need to send you another e-mail, too.

Re the Carcinosin (cancer remedy): When indicated and at the right time, it is a ``beautiful'' remedy, according to a German homeopath I've chatted with who was involved in translating an Austrian proving of Carcinosin. She has studied the remedy in depth and said this is a very deep remedy and so often indicated today, especially in kids, but is often overlooked. (you don't have to have cancer to need this remedy, BTW)

I've been attempting to learn the MFT - Mental Field Therapy - tapping technique that Selma has been talking about on LymeNet for ages! (Thanks Selma!)

There's a basic routine involving a specific sequence of points for tapping combined with speaking corrective affirmations for a given problem (physical, mental, etc.) - this varies a bit depending on which website or practitioner is explaining the procedure. When I become familiar and comfortable with the basic routine, I can incorporate more specific body areas for `treatment', like scars, organs, etc. - anything where there might be some blockage or energy drain.

It seems simple enough on the surface, and staying `in the present' and avoiding language which could have a negative effect appear to be the only pitfalls. I really hope I can work with this and get my `regulation' going better before I start the new `protocol'.

I'll be honest - having had no perceivable success with `positive thinking' exercises or reciting personal affirmations in the past, I'm not altogether convinced this will do anything. It's not the validity of the technique that I question; it's my personal capability that I wonder about. But the good news is that I don't have to believe in it for it to work. Not only that, it's free so there's nothing to lose if nothing comes of it.

Maybe most of you already do this or some version of it. (I explained a little about it for those reading this who may not be familiar with it.) If you have any tips, please pass them forward!

Here are a couple of websites about MFT (or EFT - Emotional Freedom Technique or MTT - Meridian Tapping Technique - all very similar):

http://www.eftemotionalfreedomtechnique.com/

http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse1.htm

Yikes! I better get going, too.

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Tracy, on positive thinking... There's another technique using MFT 1 and MFT 2 SIMULTANEOUSLY tapped that is not positive thinking but sort of NEGATIVE thinking!

You would be amazed to see how this negative thinking technique works!!! You think of the trouble (negative) and then tap these points and suddenly, the trouble feels like fainting. It's as though the trouble, when it surfaces with words and tapping, stops to be a problem! Wihtout any positive suggestion!

It is though a bit dangerous to do that often as according to dr. K. this specific treatment reaches the lymbic brain. Meaning, it changes your 'animal brain', so it's very very deep inside.

Not indicated for all types of troubles either (it will take too long to explain here).

I'm experimenting now with photons to see if we need less time tapping... I'm still not sure for all cases. So far, I guess the scar treatment is efficient, but the rest (positive statements, negative statments, switching...), I'm still experimenting. Bejoy is also!!!

So let's see what we come up with in the next weeks. She's got 2 photon machines, so she can flash simultaneously two points (the switching points, for example). I am just wondering if one can't get an overdose of light, but hopefully not as the treatment itself is short.

Anyway, I certainly wouldn't be playing with photons with parasites (if I had active parasites). I still couldn't find any parasite that is killed with photons. On the contrary, it seems they benefit from it.

Update on hubby's liver and GI fluke. Psorinum Vet homeopathic is NOT eliminating the whole 'infection' by itself. I just changed his protocol to either ANDROGRAPHIS + GERVAO or GERVAO + bellis perenis tincture (homemade, from a sort of daisy flower).

My brother took Humaworm and is still with symptoms. So it didn't work either for him.

I start to see why people have troubles to kill parasites like liver flukes. I would just keep adding herbs like I did with bacteries, but 'normal' people are afraid of combinations and prefer going one by one (my brother is like that).

Buhner would certainly recommend the opposite, combinations!!

I would also add microcurrent or Rife. I think daughter and I never struggled a lot with parasites because they really got killed with microcurrent. Hubby hates microcurrent, so he has to go only with herbs. He can't stand it more than a few minutes (the KMT).

Let's see how long he will still take to eliminate his critters only with herbs! I feel kind of funny to get back to the herbal world, trying to find good combinations to deal with eggs, larvae, adult forms. A bit like going back to the past when I had only herbs to kill!

It feels a bit old fashioned now!!!

He is feeling tired, so it may be that I got it! He also had a flare (for 2 days) of Mucor mucedo suggesting (for me) that there's some killing going on.

With Sanum, again, Mucor muc is dormant for him, so here we go adding chlorella tomorrow...

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Hey Bob, great you got into doing your tinctures! I love doing my own too.

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Uncovering more with my tests. Mycoplasma, strep, clostridia in gut. Stongyloides. MAP and Amino Acids tests pending. B12 not bring absorbed.

I have a light coming thats blue, green and infrared with a place in it to put vials. Its for detox. I can share more as I learn more.

New ND is not as alternative as I hoped but same clinic is totally alternative on the detox team.. they divide these things up. treatment and detox.. they have LED detox, MFT, AET, etc.

ND wonders bart but I have strong reservations. Did not show up twice on zyto. Anxiety can be caused by other things like possibly the gut situation or lyme.. pooling in legs may not be bart edema.. so we are testing again.. like that means anything. She also has a Scio and I am not sure that tests for lyme bugs. We are also checking for systemic yeast.

Working on methylation (to include ammonia) and gut first. Hopefully Amino acids and metabolic tests will be very revealing. I wish they used ART for treatment like they do for detox there.. doesnt make sense does it?

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Have used EFT recently on several occasions and immediate relief... so many layers to peel, though..
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Dead tick barely embedded in my daughter... any clue how a tick can die barely embedded. Every small... made me wonder about using LED on points after someone has been bitten. She is taking lyme homocord.
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My update on NMT:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/82349?

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Eek, R62!

What's a `lyme' homochord? (I know the homochord part - I just don't know what the remedy is - Bb nosode or something else?)

One Lymie I know says that every tick that bites her dies.

Thanks for pointing us to your NMT update.

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Brussels--

Very interesting about the photons possibly strengthening the parasites. So curious to find out why it works for most infections but not parasites. I've heard from others that photons don't work for parasites all that well too. However, maybe not so much for larger parasites, but babesia--considered a parasite--seems to respond well to photon therapy.

I was recently put back on wormwood, so I'm probably dealing with c. pulmoni again. Only wormwood tested--no humaworm, no VRM formulas--so I'm pretty certain it's this one.

I'm having a lot of success with ozone thus far. Although ear insufflation was originally suggested as a way of easing into ozone therapy, it increased my brain fog tremendously and I found out later it was because I have a backload of toxins in the hindbrain. Now I'm just doing ozonated water, sauna, and rectal insufflation. I think the rectal is by far the most beneficial, because my gut is still a huge problem (despite taking progurt). I can actually feel an immediate different in energy after the rectal.

I've also been using photons as a means of replacing neural therapy (ref. Brussels above). It seems to be working well, so I'm delighted that I don't need to go hunt down a NT practitioner to inject procaine. my first procaine/prolotherapy injection was $250. Straight up ridiculous, because in europe I heard it costs 1 euro.

I got a mouthguard recently for my jaw occlusion, which was tested to be a huge problem with polarization filter (ART). I also had pain on the left TM nerve, but I could never quite figure out what it was due to. Now with the mouthguard, my jaw isn't testing anymore, and the pain on my left hip & knee are better too! Interesting how our biodynamics tend to work in a top-down way.

I would love some more info on this homochord business! Tick repellent in the blood--tempting to say the least.

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Its a Bb nosode with all the dilutions. Thats a homocord, right? ??

She had red blotches on her chest this AM that went away in a few hours. She says she has had them before... ??

I dont understand the dead tick. It looks like one I found hanging on the dog.. dead and barely embedded.. the dog is on frontline.

So many ?? (questions) these days.

Thank you for the neural therapy directions, Selma!

I've lost my muscle tester. I dont trust her testing anyway at this point. Cant get a consistant hang of the pendulum. Considering the biotensor but wondering if that is really that helpful?

I think my kids will see her last time for a while at least and we are going to concentrate on their guts. After looking at my results, and knowing their main symptoms are gut related, I think logically this makes sense. I think you can energetic test on a bandaid level too much. got to use it with some logic or deeper thought than just muscle testing organs and symptoms in a hodge podge way.. perhaps I am missing something here...

Thats intereting about the ozone, Joey. Thank you for sharing that.

My flora and sig A are up thanks I think to VSL. The gut bacteria are out of whack though. Mycoplasma in teh gut concerns me and I cant get any info on that. Anyone familiar?

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Oh.. my daughter has been bitten more than once this year.. last one was not dead. We did catch it fairly soon.

This last one might have been on half a day?

My husband is out in the yard all the time and never gets bitten.

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Question:

Has anyone heard anything about Dr. Cheney's bison cell-signaling factors and stem cells? This is interesting to me in light of epigenetics and signals being the ultimate decider of gene expression. Cheney's protocol addresses both the hardware (actual gene replacement with stem cells) and software (shunting gene expression-phenotype-to normal with bison CSF).

Here is the quote on the more difficult to do of the two, replacing the software:

"Dr. Cheney has found that certain low molecular weight peptides called Cell Signaling Factors (CSF's) have the ability to more quickly shift gene expression towards normal as measured by echocardiography. CSF's can often improve function within 90 days, though tests results show progress well before the patient actually experiences it. For instance, measurements of cardiac diastolic function typically improve months before patients report feeling better and doing more."

This sounds more promising to me than just replacing stem cells because scientists are starting to realize the problem isn't just genes: it's the adaptation of genes to our environment. However, stem cells also make sense because genes themselves can evolve during the course of illness, which Dr. Cheney addresses: "There is also the problem of genotype corruption which can only be addressed by stem cells."

The whole article can be found here:
http://www.prohealth.com/library/showarticle.cfm?libid=14735

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R62--

I know my flora is in better balance and sig A higher (from 13 -> 47) from my last GI function profile by metametrix. However, I think the gut is the hardest organ to fix and it's not even close. Coupled with the fact that 70% of immunity is gut-related, and serotonin production is largely gut-regulated, we have a major problem. Most of the top CFS researchers in the world emphasize the gut ecology (cheney and merleir esp.) as a top 2 or top 3 impediment to wellness.

That is why I think rectal ozone is probably one of the best things we can do for the gut. It just about kills everything, maybe besides large parasites. Replacement with probiotics is critical after insuffulation though.

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I dont know how this happened, Joey, but my fecal sig A went from rock bottom on the CSA test to 74 on the GI function test... still a long way to go.

I am using VSL and mastic gum. I went at least a week without probiotics and supps before the test.

My good flora is 4.1 and 6.4 as compared to 0 and 1 on the CSA.. not sure how those compare. The CSA was over a year ago.

My anerobic bacteria are sky high which is supposed to be a clue that opportunistic bacteria are significant.

Now did lyme cause this or did the abx cause this? I think I had candida before I was ever treated for lyme. Gut issues.

I wish the ozone did not kill the beneficial flora. I am close to sold on it, though.

The body can produce its own stem cells.. I wonder how that can play into this. So genes can evlove during the course of illness. Thats good to know.

This is amazing:

One doctor told him, ``Well, your body adapted to the reality of a failing heart in order to survive and now that your heart is fixed, it will take a year or two for your body to re-adapt back to the reality of your new heart.''

Then:

In other words, all chronic illness always has two problems to solve: the problem at the core of the illness and the adaptation the body makes to survive. The first can sometimes be fixed very quickly (hours to weeks) but the latter takes time. There is no ``hours to weeks fix'' to the second problem of adaptation because it becomes programmed into one's gene expression, also known as phenotype.

Since his surgery and adaptive cure from heart failure, Dr. Cheney has found that certain low molecular weight peptides called Cell Signaling Factors (CSF's) have the ability to more quickly shift gene expression towards normal as measured by echocardiography. CSF's can often improve function within 90 days, though tests results show progress well before the patient actually experiences it. For instance, measurements of cardiac diastolic function typically improve months before patients report feeling better and doing more. There is also the problem of genotype corruption which can only be addressed by stem cells.

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You know the acclaimation: you are already healed.. (thinking of above)

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I am reading The Genie in Your Genes. Much more scientific than Braden or Lipton.

pg 47:

Stem cells:

When you cut your hand and your body needs to repair the break in the skin, the trauma sends a signal to the genes associated with wound healing. These genes express, stimulating stem cells to turn themselves into healthy, fully functioning skin cells. THe signal results in the putty being formed into a useful shape. Such processes are occuring in our bodies all the time: "Healing via gene expression is documented in stem cells in teh brain (including the cerebral cortex, hippocampus, and hypothalamus, muscle, skin,,,,

When there is an interference with this signal, which in the would healing studies comes from the emotional states of angry subjects, the stem cells dont get the message clearly (my thought just popped up.. the LEDs speed wound healing) Not enough putty is turned into useful shapes, or the process of molding the putty takes a long time, because the body's energy is instead being sucked away to build threat-response biochemicals triggered by the angry emotion. Wound healing is compromised.

Notice that these signals do not come from the DNA.... they come from outside the cell. The signals tell the proteins surrounding the DNA strands to unwrap and allow healing to begin.

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Not sure if this has a thing to do with stem cells repairing DNA.. but maybe apply to the CFS action??

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Thanks, Tracy, for the info on sunlight & remedies. Why isn't this the case with the infrared light?

I've tried some of this infrared & homeopathic remedy treatment in my own format. It's quite interesting but I don't know how effective all of this really is. It may be some kind of placebo - which isn't a bad thing if it works. The mind is very powerful. I just can't say for sure why or how it works or doesn't work.

I really don't know why I had such an extreme effect with the infrared light. I tried all of this over a year ago. It's hard to tell what my exact problems were or still are. I do know I killed massive amounts of flukes with wormwood, cloves, & black walnut hulls. The infrared light did not help me.

It's really a simple but effective way to get them out by using the black walnut combo. I've read the the flukes are pretty easy to get rid of that way. I think the caps are better than the tincture.

Since I didn't have money to spend on natropaths & expensive tests, etc. - I did it all myself. My advice for anyone new looking at all of this is start with the simple basic stuff first. You can get very far with simple, inexpensive remedies & avoid lots of headaches later.

If you are still ill after doing some basic cleanses - look to the more complex solutions. You really have to do the cleansing properly & stick with it, though.

I recently read an article that says that people who take vitamins do not live longer than people who don't. Some vitamins can be harmful to take to much such as vit E & beta-carotene.

I know folks are ill out there. I can empathize. The answer may not be to spend hoards of money thinking that eventually something will work. I think that the body responds to basic stuff like good, pure food, air & water, exercise, rest, & detoxification.

I am not against alternative remedies but extreme thinking either for drugs or alternative medicine may not be the solution. Our culture is very materialistic so we may think having all of these complicated choices is beneficial. I'm not so sure that's the answer.

I may be a "devil's advocate" here but I'm just sharing what worked for me.

Please check out this article about a war criminal who became an energetic healer...

Radovan Karadzic's New-Age Adventure
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/magazine/26karadzic-t.html?ref=magazine

We really need to be careful who we trust to be our healers & doctors!

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Man, I had another bad heart episode last night - I thought I was going to faint but didn't. I've known for a couple of weeks that one was coming. Fortunately, I was back from my `sunset walk' with my dog when it happened. The Lachesis 30C worked again! This time it took a little longer - about 3-4 minutes (forgot to time it). So, the Lachesis has worked both when the tachycardia, etc. had been going on for over an hour, and when it had only been going on for maybe 8 minutes. That makes it less likely that it was just `coincidence', or that I just happened to take the remedy at the time the problem was going to resolve itself on its own.

R62, the Bb homochord sounds great, but what do you use preventatively for all the OTHER junk that ticks can carry?

Good to hear how well the EFT seems to work for you!

Selma, that's interesting about the `negative thinking' approach with the tapping. But how do you tap MFT1 and MFT2 at the same time? Just do one side of the head and one eye area, I guess?

Well, I won't do that because of what you said..... thanks for the warning about it.

Regarding parasites, I wish I knew whether they were a big problem for me or not. I'm sure I have some - everybody does - but I just don't know (yet) where or how bad. I'd sure like to know that before I attempted a liver/ gall bladder cleanse, that's for sure. I may have to ask the CEDSA lady to specifically test for that a couple weeks after I've been on her protocol, though it's possible that parasites simply won't show up yet. (She does quick check-ups every 2-4 weeks for free to see how things are going. She can use saliva sent through the mail or in person.)

I'm not sure how well homeopathics do with parasites, either. Though there are lots of references to worms and other parasites in prescribing texts, I rarely see this discussed on the homeopathic boards, and maybe that's the problem. Unless they know it's a problem, they don't treat it. And how would they know unless there was `evidence' in the stool or something? We all know that getting tested for parasites in the Western world is nearly a lost cause.

Homeopathics sure worked for me when I picked up some bug about a year ago - whatever it was, it acted like Giardia. It took awhile - and I had to repeat the treatment - but it did go. But that's just one instance, and it was something `acute' that hadn't been around awhile. Acutes are always easier to treat than chronic stuff.

Ozone and even ozinated oils spook me a little bit. I respect you guys who are using these treatments. I'm not sure I have the guts to try either of them.

Some of the stem cell discussion should go on the Epigenetics thread! Seems interconnected, to me.

Sparkle, I'm not sure. But it's possible that the infrared light DOES degrade the nosodes/remedies. This was a topic that came up early on in the Bionic 880 discussions. Then my computer went down and I was out of touch for several months. I don't think the question was ever answered, though. I don't see it discussed at all now.

Homeopaths who are working with Agro-homeopathy use remedies on crops ONLY in the evening hours because of the sunlight problem. All labs that make remedies for professional use put their remedies in amber bottles.

I assume you are using clear vials or bottles for your experiments? Maybe when you experiment with the sun, you could just use a very tiny amount of remedy or nosode, then discard it when finished? Start with fresh remedy every time?

Maybe the extreme effect you had with the inf. light was because your parasites were thriving on it? It makes some sense based on what others here have said.

Sparkle, I'm with you on doing simple, inexpensive things to clean up our bodies. It can only be helpful to anything else we do in the way of treatment. But as you learned with the liver/ gb cleanse, it gets tricky if you do more aggressive things and do them in the wrong order. (Thank goodness there are people like Hulda Clarke who've made this easier for us.)

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If anyone needs nosodes, Dr Marc said to put his name and number here, he has no fear of the FDA since he is in Mexico. He can get the kit and the live Borrelia nosode as well. His number is 011 52 664 686 2981 this is how you dial from the states. His email is dralbarran@biomedixgroup.com you will deal directly with him. His Cell is 011 52 1 664 307 6049

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Thanks, Troy. This info could come in handy.

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There is much about homeopathy here in this thread, i wonder about the homeopathic thuja for viruses, how does one use it?
Any thoughts on the new xmrv virus and this kind of therapy? (infrared plus homeopathic nosodes)
Saliva would contain it, that would be the answer?

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Just pulling the thread up for those interested. Since May, my daughter and I remain free of lyme, free of lyme treatment.

I still use the PE1 for some things, but mostly on the Nogier frequencies.

I still take a few Sanum when they test.

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I have both the Bionic and the PE1, there is no comparison in power, I have to do much shorter treatments on the PE1, it goes deeper as it has a 940 frequency as well. It also has 880 like the Bionic, 875 which are infrared LEDs (invisible). It also has 655 and 680 with are red/far LEDs(visible). 9 herz is very close to what Dr W uses and believe me it works, it also has 4.5 and 18 in the lower ranges. You can only use this machine at a fraction of the time that you use the Bionic, it has larger LEDs 5mm the Bionic has 3mm. The lights are positioned in such a way that they work synergistically together. In other words they enhance the power of one another. The Bionic was the innovator, it is a good machine, but using both I find no need for it, in fact I am now selling mine. For more info and discussion on these two machines visit our group:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bionic880-PE1/

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I do my treatments on the pulsed mode with the PE1 at 9hz and 18hz. It's very effective and since I have both machines, I find it much more powerful than the Bionic, larger LEDs 5mm the Bionic has 3mm older technology. It not only runs on 880 (this is the Bionic's only wavelength), the PE also has 940 for deeper penetration, 880 as mentioned, and 875nm all near infrared LEDs, there are two others in the red/far LED visible range of 655 and 680 nm. I have no use for my Bionic any longer, as by directly using both, there is no comparison in power. Troy

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Very interesting, Troy. What exactly are you treating at this point? Are you using nosodes with all of your light treatments?

It would certainly be good news if the much cheaper PE-1 could be used in place of the Bionic 880! Do you know if Dr. W. is aware of the PE-1 or has any interest in experimenting with it?

Thanks for the great news, Selma! Do you think your new `environment' is better or worse for you, healthwise?

Hope everyone had a great summer!

Bob, did you go to the Raymon Grace seminar in August?

Sparkle, how's the detox going?

Robin/R62, where are you at with treatment protocols?

Alv, would love to hear an update from you.

Carry, I've been following some of your other posts here at LN

Bejoy, the whole trauma issue is probably at the forefront of illness for many of us. Not just major trauma but all the little stressors of life that affect some of us more than others. I just finished reading the book ``The Potbelly Syndrome: How Common Germs Cause Obesity, Diabetes, and Heart Disease''. I'll never look at multiple infections quite the same again!

This book has shed new light and revealed many dangerous misconceptions about cardiovascular problems, insulin resistance, osteoporosis, weight loss, specific diets, MS, arthritis, and a host of other ailments. Though the title is misleading, the premise of the book does go back to the `terrain' problem. Similar to a pain-inflammation / pain-inflammation loop, there is a cortisol-infection loop that `feeds' chronic infections and invites new ones. I think any seasoned Lymie would appreciate the information in this book, though the index could use some expansion. (I don't remember where I first heard about it but I know Keebler has recommended this book a number of times in her posts.)

Gee, I never did post my protocol based on the CEDSA (Computerized Electro Dermal Stress Analysis) testing, did I. Well, everybody seemed to need to take some time off this thread, including me. I'll get around to it eventually. It has helped my elimination issues immensely, and for the first time ever I can tolerate taking some chlorella. So, I've had improvements in some critical areas.

Hopefully, folks will check in once the nice weather has finally faded.

I think we need a ``PE1 and Bionic, Part Two'' thread.

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Pulling it up again for the ones asking me the points I treated. I'll try to see if I find them here again.

My daughter and I are still in remission from this treatment, so no need to add anything for the moment in this thread. Entering then month 9 without any lyme treatment whatsoever.

For me, since I caught lyme, this is my longest remission. I'm still crossing fingers though.
I'll see if I find the points to use the PE1 and pull that up too...

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This is from my notes, in the beginning of May, these are the points I used photons every time I used nosodes (not for cleansing, but for killing), just one second each, in direct mode (not pulsed):

L+R wrist (inner part)
R+L ear
3rd eye (in between eyes)
L+R MFT4 (upper neck, behind each ear)
Top head (MFT1)
R+L thyroide
Thymus (collar bone area)
Navel
Tailbone
L+R MFT8 (under the arm, height of nipples)
L+R knee (behind them)
R+L palms (middle of them)
L+R soles (middle part)
L+R under the ear (upper neck, sides)
L+R kidneys (back, upper part)
energy point (under the knee to the outside)
liver (right side, on ribcage)
above both ears
inner elbow
side hips (exactly where legs and hip connects)
shoulders (front, in acupuncture, the 'lung' points)
Omoplata (sp?) (back of shoulders)
Belly (side of navel, both sides)
Inner part of ankles (if you stand up, about 7 fingers from floor)
cheek (MFT 5)
upper column (middle)
top of shoulders (lymph node area)
all around knees

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Bumping for Susan
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Any updates from PE-1 users on effectiveness and results? I'm thinking of getting one. Is this the right place? http://www.photonicenergetics.com/

I hope its worth $1600.... I'd love to hear current thoughts on this since most of the posts in this thread are a year or more old.

Thanks.

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I used the Bionic and I'm still free of infections.

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Six, is there any way for me to get nosodes without going to Germany? In general, what's the best source for nosodes?

Also, what are peoples' experience using auto nosodes with either urine or blood (or some other way?) How do I do that and how much to dilute? Thanks...

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Bumping for Mo, Scorpio and whoever is interested.

It's been more than 2 years I stopped treating, so I'm sure I must be forgetting things today...

If you are patient to read this long thread, congrats!!! [Big Grin]

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Oh yeah another novel for me to digest!! LOL...

Seriously this is very helpful. I'm excited to learn more about it!

Thanks Brussels! You are wonderful for coming back and helping us! God Bless you!

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I tried photoning with a bottle of Bactrim on my chest instead of nosodes. Not homeopathic Bactrim, just regular Bactrim antibiotic, and it actually did something. Amazing. Who knows why...... ?
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Dan, I guess either infrared itself did something? How long did you photoon?

Or it could be the effect of pure substances (not nosodes) that dr. W. uses. I don't understand the principle, sorry.

I am GUESSING it is like auto-urine therapy, or taking own blood. It's an 'old' therapy, widely used (I heard about it since I was a small child, used for people with autoimune disorders like lupus).

Somehow the undiluted stuff (blood, urine) sends some messages to the body and the body corrects itself (similarly to nosodes and homeopathy).

I never tried but I may try (through photons) to heal some allergies, who knows? I just didn't take my time to do that yet!

Just keep us posted. Do you feel herxes and symptom improvement?

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Maybe you're detoxing the Bactrim? That would be my guess.

Then the Bactrim coming out could cause a herx.

Just a theory ...

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Actually 1 day later I can say photoning the bactrim DID give me a herx and improvement! it wasn't detoxing bactrim... I have only taken one dose years ago.

My theory is when you hold nosodes close to the chest, they "highlight" or "expose" the bacteria and the photons kill or disrupt them and I suspect something similar happens when one holds an antibiotic near chest. When I hold either nosodes OR antibiotics near chest I can "feel" my infection spots get active and achey even WITHOUT photons. So maybe nosodes and antibiotics do roughly the same thing in a different way? once the spots get achy the body is aware of them and they stand out and then the photons go to that place? Just a theory but remember I don't think ANY of our theories are solid fact, this whole area is pretty unknown and its possible even Dr. W's theories aren't what's actually happening.

I do have a question though for six and brussels since I have both of you (the photon experts) right here in this thread....

I've always reacted very quickly to any treatment, ie have a herx within a few hours, improvement very quickly afterwards, and need another treatment immediately afterwards. I'm not one of those people who can use the same treatment for months. It stops working for me in a matter of days or a week max.

So my question is.... is it OK to photon every day? I know I could have a massive herx that spirals out of control but trust me that doesn't happen. I have the herx, improve, then back to normal symptom cycle happen litterally every 24-48 hours. If I can photon every day, that would help a lot. Thoughts? Again remember - herxing isn't an issue for me, all of my herxes so far with about 20 photon treatments have been mild to moderate, and gone in 24 hrs. Thanks.

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I am seriously considering purchasing a PE-1. I have done everything in the book of healing over the last 4 years with little to no improvement. I think the PE-1 is a move I have to make at this point.

BUT, I just recently found out that I have a very small amalgam filling. This came as a HUGE surprise and actual shock to me, as I had ALWAYS paid out of pocket for composite fillings. I wonder if this is actually a filling from childhood that I do not remember getting...???

In any case. Is it ok to use the PE-1 with a small amalgam filling?... I eat tons of chlorella everyday and do other stuff to detox... I have treated everything under the sun.

Also, I believe my true problem is not even lyme, but biotoxin, mold illness.. Is PE-1 helping people with that problem as well?

I am worried about wasting money that I really don't hae to spend, but at the same time... what have

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Dan, that's interesting.

The act of taping the item to the chest and the act of photoning are two entirely separate things. Taping the item to the chest alerts the body of it. Photoning gives the body the strength to go after it. So it's not surprise you feel it even without the photons.

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thanks for pulling this up, brussels.
i have my light unit but am studying allot here.

could folks please keep most of the IMPORTANT info about use here, on this thread, for everyone interested?

at least on how-to stuff.

that way, the info is accessable to more people here, rather than spead amongst so many threads.

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Dan, very interesting experiences, what you wrote.

I will tell you something: that we don't need to ingest homeopathy, nor photoon it. Just hold the vials (if on glass is better) and they will work, in case your cells can communicate the message.

I use Bach flowers ONLY this way, without ingesting, and it works better, deeply, and faster than ingesting for weeks. I used it with many people and I see kids and animals react VERY WELL and fast,like with homeopathics.

There are other VERY mysterious ways to treat, but that equally work very well, but this would go TOTALLY in the quantum world, and it will be hard to share here in public, as people are even skepticals of ingested homeopathy or even herbs!!! But you can send me a PM and we can talk.

I do think that for you, you got to tune the way you feel works better. I am usually very sensitive and then I need LESS than others. But your sensitivity sounds different than mine?

What I guess for you is that you need rotation of things. Or possibly treat some sort of psychological problems? Would you know a bit of EFT or know someone who can test you energetically to rule out this issue?

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Unexpectedills!

Glad you 're going on!

My opinion: the place for mercury is not in our body. Just one amalgam replacement costs not a lot: get it out anyway, with or without photon treatment! It just takes minutes and it can save you sooo much more.

Just the chlorella you need daily to keep the mercury vapors out of your body will pay for your replacement in less than a month!!

OK? Next: Mold, yes yes yes. Combined with Sanum and other nosodes, plus LONG TERM chelation or KPU or AI, that was the best treatment I found, so far.

I'm still treating candida/yeast /mold on and off. Photons are EXTREMELY efficient with that in comparison with anything I ever tried before, but you need nosodes, very similar to borrelia treatment.

As for the money issue, so sorry you STILL have to struggle with that on top. I would first take off my amalgam because it causes havoc, short, middle, long term.

If you have little budget, buy the Sota Lightworks after your amalgam removal. It is like a toy, some people say, but for what I remember, it still works!!

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Hey Mo, you are right, but I wonder, now that the threads started, where to stop them??

Which machine do you have? Can you post the website or a photo or the technical info? I'm curious!!!

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So, is the PE-1 out for me? I have a mouth full of amalgams. There is no way I can or would have them removed right now. Are you saying the PE-1 will not work if you have any mercury in your body?

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I am now completely convinced that 3 days ago photoning a bottle of bactrim held at my chest was massively effective, possibly among the top 10% of effective treatments I have ever tried. I would love to hear if people have had a similar experience. I will say that I am highly allergic to Bactrim and have had major eye problems with one of the ingredients in bactrim - trimethoprim - in the past when taken orally. However I will also say that the dose or two I took of Bactrim in the past (orally) was VERY helpful, so maybe that's why this works? Maybe it is like all the benefit of Bactrim without the side effects.

In any case, I am also allergic to the quinolones and I plan to try this again with a quinolone antibiotic, maybe I'll get benefit without the tendon reactions.

This is mind-blowing. How would anyone believe that this works? I would never believe it if I didn't experience this first hand. I still hardly believe it!

This seems to open up a whole new world beyond just photoning nosodes. I think nosodes AND perhaps antibiotics do as Six suggested - alert the body to the presence of something. Then maybe Six is right, the photons give the body the energy to go after the thing. But while nosodes have definitely helped me when photoned, photoning the bactrim was much much more effective for me at least so far. This is like being in a fiction world! Fascinating.

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By the way Brussels I have held Bactrim to my chest as an energy test many times and have never had the experience I describe above, so I think photoning it was key, not just holding it, but the quantum world sounds fascinating and I am sure this is in that world!
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http://www.drkaslow.com/html/pda_-_photon_directed_action.htm

I found a very interesting article of a dr. who uses infrared and red laser to transmit the message of homeopathic and radionic remedies (as those found in Asyra).

He also uses acupuncture points to flash the infrared, but he uses another machine he calls Quantaray.

http://www.rightwayenterprises.com/quantaray.htm

that was the only info I could find in google...

does anyone know this doctor?

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Hey Dan, you are in the same position as I was when I first used it on my daughter, with a knee that was so swollen...

She sat on the hard floor of the kitchen on her knees 5 DAYS after 1st photon session!!!!??? She not only sat on her knees, she THREW herself on the floor to show me how her knees were not painful anymore!!!

She could not even SIT on her bed without pain, nor on the sofa. The wheel chair caused her pain, the toilet was each time a traumatic experience of screams...

5 days, and the knee pain was totally gone. And the swelling. I couldn't believe my eyes.

If you had told me, I wouldn't believe either. I only believe and keep posting more than 2 years after our experience because this was amazing!!!

I will give you a hint: get the Bactrim, and succuss about 300 times, against your palms or hard surface. You have to use glass, preferably on a clear vial.

You can either add a LOT of water to it, or do it WITHOUT the water. Or do both in two vials /bottles. Then photoon again (or just keep them on your solar plexus).

The effect of it should be even stronger. Do more dilutions, and more succussions, and you'll get a stronger effect (theoretically).

Just a note: when you use infrared flashed through your meridians, as you were doing, it's a bit like you are FEEDING your meridians with energy that is proper to them.

You can see that acupuncture meridians shine infrared in Pubmed articles.

So, your meridians that were depleted due to disease are finally well 'fed', and doing what they should do: flowing, transmitting information. Popp says that one of the functions of these Chinese TCM meridians is to trasport light and with it, information. At least, that is what I understood he said in his website.

So, suppose you stop taking infrared today and use something on your body TOMORROW or even in a few days, on the solar plexus or whatever 'energy' opening from your body (accupuncture points are such places, chakras other places).

Don't ignore all the infrared you took in the days, weeks before. They are still boosting your meridians. So with or without flashing light NOW, it's not a BIG difference. You will be getting the info in a stronger way than if you weren't using infrared at all.

There is a lady that posted here called Bejoy. Her 2 daughters had lyme disease, like herself. She swore, many times here and in private emails, that everytime she treated herself with the PE1 using nosodes, HER WHOLE family was herxing after, even if they were not present in the house during her treatments but at school.

She became a sort of shining nosode wlaking entity!!! Wherever she went, even outside her home, people with lyme disease could react to her previous treatment!!

So when she treated anyone from her family, she had her binders ready for ALL. She knew that eventually, everyone would be treated.

She noticed that on and on.

That is another reason we don't usually flash the nosodes with more than a person in the room. If you do, we are treating everybody in that room.

But even after leaving the dr's office, I'm SURE dr.W would agree with this thought, we can be treating other people too.

I'm glad you come to the club of nuts. I do feel I'm nuts compared to what most people believe. There is MUCH more in life and in our bodies that we don't know.

Just stay open and even more AMAZING things can be proven right. Not to scientists, but to your own experiences. Many more new stuff is to come!!

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i don't mean to stop the other threads, brussels, i mean with individuals, we never know what direction things may take. lots of great information will be had from all threads..

but i wonder if here we can just keep up with some of the mechanics, some of the general questions.
if possible.

i have a general question:

could someone do a re-cap of the ten points to be lit, and for how long on each point?

i've read for days, and a refresher post would be fantastic.

second question re: photoning with substances/herbs/medicines.

can sussessing give any substance a frequency?

like, could you photon cephalosporins (rochephin)
if sucessed?

could you photon a live, cold pressed plant remedy? does that have frequency in and of itself, or also, necessary to success this?

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My gut feeling is that photoning the bactrim did not transmit the energy of the bactrim to the body, but instead, holding the bactrim to my chest "alerted" the body to the bacteria that the bactrim would kill if swallowed, and the photons gave the body the energy to kill. The bactrim just did the alerting. In this way it acted not so differently than a nosode.... just my guess.

Brussells, Thanks for all the great info! I don't doubt anything you say, as after my crazy experiences, I do believe anything is possible. I mean, photoning that bactrim was so incredibly powerful, it touched symptoms that no other treatment has ever touched. I made the mistake today of taking another herbal supplement and I could tell it was a waste of time and disturbed the "energy" from the photons. Could it really be that all we need are photons and nothing else? That would be amazing! (of course I don't mean for every health problem - we still need chelators, nutrients, detox -- I just mean, maybe photons are all we need for infections.)

Nevertheless I still have a few very highly rated herbals like Bar-1 that I still want to try in the coming weeks.

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It could be that photons are all you need for certain pathogens. Not ALL pathogens react to photons, so don't be overexcited!

Borrelia does, no doubt. Babesia, I have my doubts. Bartonella will be killed, almost for sure, with photons and the nosodes. Not much worry on bart either, I would say. Specially after borrelia is gone.

Another point I FORGOT to say to you, Dan: if you use the 9 EFT /MFT points with photons, A LOT can be happening in your body.

I believe I saved my husband from anaphylatic shock basically with EFT /MFT and homeopathic dilutions of both his saliva and the allergen. It was fast.

All dr. K's practioners know that we can cancel an allergy using the EFT /MFT points. If not permanently, at least temporarily. I've seen that so many times that I know it works. I use this technique very often with my daughter too.

Suppose that when you put Bactrim, that you were allergic with, on your solar plexus after having photooned your EFT points some time before.

You could have been treated for your Bactrim allergy!!!!

In energy medicine, whatever you use on your 'triger points' or meridians, will send only an energetic message to your body. Whatever your body does with this message, is INDIVIDUAL. It's your body that interprets the symbol (in this case, the Bactrim on your solar plexus).

It depends on what your body wants to do with that information. That is how homeopathy works. And I believe, Bach flowers, and auto urine or autohemo therapy. Or even EFT or MFT. Even acupuncture is somehow related to that all.

Have you read about neural therapy? Practioners inject something homeopathic on trigger points and you react like hell? Well, I guess infrared do the same, perhaps even stronger.

I hope you all get hold on how INTELLIGENT our bodies are and forgive our bodies for getting so sick. If we are sick, is that because our bodies are OVERWHELMED with things it cannot cope anymore.

Give back some peace to it, not flushing it with chemicals, give back its real nourishment, nature, deep breaths in pure air, exercises, sunlight, good food, good medicine, good water,

good sleep, not burdening it with too many EMRs, your body WILL do what it has to do but it couldn't. No chemical medicine can do this for you!! Not even hundreds of chemicals you ingest combined will do the full job for you.

that is where I say that energy medicine is much more intelligent as it uses your own body's energy to heal and talk intelligently to your body.

A chemical drug is like an angry mother sending you a command: do this, and only this and shut up!

The energy treatment is more like: I just talk about this topic that I find important for you (in this case Bactrim, or borrelia): what would you like to do with it?

Once you learn energy testing, you will see HOW much your body knows and how much your brain is limited. Sometimes you are convinced you want something, but your body says 'nope'. I follow my body now and ignore my brain!!!

Some people are fortunate to have great feelings and openess and they practically don't need any energy testing. They go by instincts, feeling. And they get most of the time, right things for their health condition. Many children are like that.

I guess that learning to read your body is something that is the most important thing to do. Don't poison it, respect it, and it will tell you a lot on what to do, to take. Put your brain apart when you do that.

Once you decide with your instinct, then use your brain. But not during the choice.

When I was on my sickest days, I had a big intuition. I relaxed all my muscles and said, just do what you want! I left them all relaxed, and then I started walking around and my hands went to cardamon. With cardamon I got rid of babesia once.

Now I just found an article that cardamon is antiparasitic!!! I still take cardamon to this day.

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Mo, I gotta go to my piano lesson! I'll answer you later!
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wonderful info, selma.
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Mo, go to lumenenergetics, she has a chart showing many points you can use (more than dr. W). If you have the Bionic, follow dr. W's point though.

PHotooning with substances, plants. No idea, you got to try and see? My Bach flowers never tested with photons for myself, but who knows?

Succusing can give frequency? I guess the frequency comes from the water content, if I understand it well. The less diluted homeopathic dilutions need MUCH MORE succussing in my own experiences, than higher dilutions.

So I would succuss my D1 rechtsregulat about 200 times and feel it is better than the original bottle of undiluted Rechts. But for dilutions bigger than D30, surely, only 100 succussions are enough.

In my opinion, succussion works with water.

As for frequencies, EVERYTHING has a frequency, that is how the biofeedback machines work, how energy tests works. Whether your body can read the frequency and do somethign with it, I don't know. It seems yes, but in what way does this stuff work, I am new in the subject.

I even never photooned undiluted blood in my life. I may do it, just to test and see myself, but I think you got to read about autourine autohemo therapy to get an idea of the subject. My guess.

Some people took HOMEOPATHIC antibiotics here with good results. You got to know the dilution your body needs.

Dan is the first that I know to use the frequency of Bactrim undiluted. But he is using infrared in other days, so don't expect something to happen if you never used infrared or some otehr forms of energy boosting technique.

I use many kinds of homeopathic penycilins and have no doubt about their efficacy. It is even MUCH SUPERIOR to the undiluted penicilins as they cause no harm to the gut and they kill still BETTER than the mere chemical.

Dr. K is a great fan of Sanum killers, and he's got decades of experience with these killers. Many are merely different types of penicilins.

As for plants, try if it tests good?

Buhner has a beautiful book about plant communication. Very inspiring. I do think we can get more than chemicals from plants, but I don't know how healing they will mean in the mere physical world. I mean, would they help you killing pathogens only with their presence /frequency? I don't know...

I know that plants can heal us in other levels, very high levels (purely spiritual) but we don't need machines for that!!!

We use our primeval basic instincts only and they work if you are open to these incredible and superior beings: plants.

If you have doubts, try Bach flowers first to grasp what is this plant language that Buhner is talking.

Once you dilute anything made from a plant, it becomes homeopathic, and then, you got to go back to Hahneman, I suppose, for guidance!!

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thank you, selma!!
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Great info, Selma, you amaze me.
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