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Janice70
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I'm starting to wonder if my Resonant Light PERL rife machine is doing anything. I don't feel a thing when I use it.

It is about 6 feet high, above the TV. I called the company, and was at first told that is too high, but without an explanation.

Then after consulting with the technicians, they said it was fine. But I wonder, since it is not seeming to do anything, if I should

lower it. It would be very inconvenient to put it somewhere else, but I would if necessary. But then again, for the first month, it

was about 4 feet high, and still I didn't notice anything. The company says to have it between 3 feet and 14 feet away. The

distance between the top of the machine and where I sit is about 7 feet.

My husband did notice a reduction in candida. This was while it was 6 feet high. But nothing else, really. I was very hopeful and

wanting it to work, but I am questioning it now.

I'm not extremely ill, but have several very annoying symptoms that are not improving.

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Edit your topic to say:
Rife Machine not working and you'll get more replies from the Rife people

IMO rife is quackery, but others say it works.

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In my opinion, your machine is one of the most powerful and the distanance should not make a difference. You mostly do not feel anything when it is running, but may feel a response after your treatment.

If you don't seem to respond after treatment, then my guess is that you have not found the right frequencies for your problem.

I am not an expert on rife--it is physics and I don't have much knowledge of physics. I have a Beam Ray. I can run it in the room it is set up in and my lymie daughter responds even if she is upstairs in her bedroom.

I also know a doctor who has a Perl. He had to move it out of his office because other people in the office building were being affected when he ran it.

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Funny how your post on wanting get a rife machine got a pile of responses and testimonials but ypur post for help with it not working gets almost no attention.

The guy Doug, who builds the machine that Roesner shills
He did his research in house, answer me this how did a private researcher go to the CDC and get live lyme spirochetes, then bring them home and continue to breed them to research frequencies under his microscope equipped with a frequency generator

People with CDC positive WB results get ignored, but Doug the coil guy affiliated with NO ACCREDITED MEDICAL RESEARCH FIRM, called the CDC and they provided him with live lyme spirochetes to experiment with in his house, and then by a miracle Brian Roesner found him on the web just weeks before his site went under and a 100,000 books, DVDs and coil machines later everyone is cured, THANK GOD!!!!

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quote:
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I also know a doctor who has a Perl. He had to move it out of his office because other people in the office building were being affected when he ran it.

OK this statement you just made.

You know a doctor using this unapproved FDA device and said it in a public forum.

Do you realize that now the FDA and FBI can get your ip address from Mr Bachmann ,and knock on your door, and make you provide the doctors name, and if you don't comply indite you for
for obstruction of justice.

Why do think Roesner has a disclaimer on every page of his book

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WOW WOW WOW>>>

Is this true and has this ever happened where they get your address from Mr Bauchmann and knock on your door from something you type here ??

Has it??

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Doug does not build machines. He has no interest in selling coil machines of any sort. He will, however, help you if you are trying to build one yourself. He makes zero money off coil machines or any kind of machine in any way. After talking with him a couple of times, I tried to get him to build me one, offered money, told him to name the price, but he flat out refused.

How he got ahold of the spirochetes is another matter. I don't know the answer to that one. I would be quick to dismiss it myself, as it is a giant whistling hole in the fabric of the 'coil story', but I have spoken with him numerous times and have found him to be very honest and helpful in every area. Therefore, I cannot dismiss it out of hand.

But it is a very difficult point to get past. I don't blame anyone for doubting. I have heard his explanation, and I *choose* to believe him. It is plausible. A stretch, but plausible. But I have no idea if it is true. And as I said, it is the only part of his story that is the least bit questionable. But on a side note, a tour of the web will show you many people who have access to spirochetes -- where do they all come from? How do they GET them? How do they grow them?

Today Doug is well. He was very sick, ready to call it a day, and after nearly 4 years of coiling he made a full recovery. Though he's been well nearly twenty years now, he does not consider himself cured by any stretch, and every 4-6 months will blast out a pretty long, intense session of coiling. He is still willing to talk with any Lymie who calls him. He's a very decent guy, and give away much of his time talking to sick people. He will also tell you that getting well with a coil machine was a BRUTALLY hard thing to do.

As for me, I have a coil machine and have been using it over a year. It IS brutally hard. But I have made definite progress -- it's slow, and not nearly what I might like, but it is very real. Will I get better? Who knows, maybe. A full recovery? Doubtful.

But I am a chronic case with a terrible gut, who had pretty much failed abx therapy. The abx helped me early, until my gut went bad -- then everything followed. My last 4 years of abx therapy, up till 2008 approx., left me much worse than before I'd started.

I did not have many choices left.

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IP addresses are like phone numbers

They caught a guy that used craigslist that killed a hooker by his IP

Truth is stranger than fiction.

If Sparrow knows a doctor operating an illegal machine she shouldn't be bragging about it in a public forum.

I seriously doubt anyone is monitoring this bs, but if they were whoever is at the end at that ip would have some explaining to do.

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quote:
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WOW WOW WOW>>>

Is this true and has this ever happened where they get your address from Mr Bauchmann and knock on your door from something you type here ??

Has it??

You don't get it, RIFE MACHINES ARE ILLEGAL
The people that sell them get around the law with disclaimers and saying they are for experimental use only

Bottom line, if some dumbo sits in front of one these things for an hour and it works and blows out their kidneys and liver, someone is gonna have some answering to do.

Luckily that has not happened and in society where one pill is good but 2 is better, thank god these things don't work good enuff to kill someone or at all for that matter.

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But it is a very difficult point to get past. I don't blame anyone for doubting. I have heard his explanation, and I *choose* to believe him. It is plausible. A stretch, but plausible. But I have no idea if it is true. And as I said, it is the only part of his story that is the least bit questionable. But on a side note, a tour of the web will show you many people who have access to spirochetes -- where do they all come from? How do they GET them? How do they grow them?

Legitimate medical facilities grow them, they capture infected ticks, and they have a hard time culturing stuff.

Its such a joke, its like me saying hey I wanna create a anthrax or
aids vaccine I gotta a killer lab in my bedroom, can I have some specimens.

I would maybe believe it, if he said he poked himself with syringes till he got some bugs and found a way to culture them.

For gods sake I think they have difficulty culturing Lyme, Babs or bart from a blood sample at pro labs and this guy has a colony in his house??

Look at odds of a PCR sample that has bugs.


Also by the grace of God, Doug was the one person on earth with no co-infections?????

He and Rosner cured themselves from saying you want fries with that.

If Doug isn't getting a cut from Rosner's publishing company you gotta be kidding me, freedom of speech with a disclaimer on every page is more profit then making junk frequency amplifiers.

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"If Doug isn't getting a cut from Rosner's publishing company you gotta be kidding me, freedom of speech with a disclaimer on every page is more profit then making junk frequency amplifiers."

In order to believe this, one would need to believe that Rosner would be willing to part with a dime. So far, I have seen no evidence to support that.

Edited to add: Actually, I misspoke. This is not true or fair. Bryan Rosner sent a free book and DVD to another Lymie I know. I completely forgot that.

[ 10-03-2009, 09:54 PM: Message edited by: nomoremuscles ]

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quote:
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"If Doug isn't getting a cut from Rosner's publishing company you gotta be kidding me, freedom of speech with a disclaimer on every page is more profit then making junk frequency amplifiers."

In order to believe this, one would need to believe that Rosner would be willing to part with a dime. So far, I have seen no evidence to support that.

He is selling a DVD interview with doug that is an hour and half long. Come on man, straight man and shill, do these guys ever get on coast to coast,
Art Bell could have saved Ramona...

I feel like a scumbag posting a link of these 2 grifters merchandise

http://www.lymebook.com/letter

Yeah doug is just letting rosner pick his brain on dvd for free
and since lyme is considered a medical problem the disclaimer:


Disclaimer: The products offered on this web site are intended for informational and educational purposes only and are not intended to prevent, diagnose, treat, or cure disease. The statements on this web site have not been evaluated by the United States Food and Drug Administration. If you have a medical problem see a licensed physician.

I wonder if Pasteur or Salk would have marketed their research in the same manner if he had high speed internet and when they found their cures attached disclaimers.

There is no suppression of real science, it cannot happen,
only quacks get suppressed.

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Hopefully the thread starter gets some answers to her questions and the discussion of legitimacy over whether Rife therapy is a sham or the real deal is taken to a new thread. Starting a new thread: It's only the polite thing to do.

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quote:
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Hopefully the thread starter gets some answers to her questions and the discussion of legitimacy over whether Rife therapy is a sham or the real deal is taken to a new thread. Starting a new thread: It's only the polite thing to do.

Funny how so many people wanted to help on this post from Janice

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/85220?

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I assume you are treating Lyme Janice70?

What frequencies are you using? I always recommend 612 Hz and 432 Hz, as they are the most reliable for the type of Lyme common to the U.S.

Where the machine is located should not make a huge difference. But you do lose half of the power for every foot of distance between the person and machine.

You may also want to try Rocky Mountain Spotted fever frequencies if the Lyme frequencies are not having an effect.

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You also will not notice any effect if you have no spirochetes available to hit.

This is why some propose that using antibiotics is not compatible with frequency treatments. Since the spirochete form seems to be responsible for most of the symptoms, I feel that anything that keeps them down is beneficial.

My wife has not responded to 612 Hz for a couple of months. Since she has reacted severely to these in the past, I think it is safe to say she has little spirochete form to kill.

In the past magnesium seemed to bring out spirochete form, but that was when she started using Mg.

When you start getting noticeable symptoms, such as increased joint pain, try it then. At least in my wife's case, this means spirochetes are out in the body.

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DBergy, if you have an EMEM3D2 Machine, do you place it on a table and sit in front of it and read? Do you lay flat? How far is usual for one of these machines? The GB uses radiant too, right, so the same principle should apply depending on amplification.

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I have both a GB-4000 and a Rife Labs EMX, which is basically an EMEM capable of running high frequencies.

When I use it personally, I set it right on my lap.I am usually treating an intestinal bacteria, so that is why I do it that way.

In general. I place it as close as i can get it to me. These are not hugely powerful machines and the signal degrades over a short distance.

When My wife uses it, I set it on a chair as close to her as I can get it.

The GB is a contact machine, although I have adapted it to work with the EMX in audio mode, without the amplifier, as the EMX is providing the amplification. Even though the GB is a contact machine if I get it too close to my laptop in contact mode, it will interfere with it.
It does radiate a little even though it is not intended to.

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Yes, I've been doing 432 and 612, as well as many others. I'll try the Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, also. Is that the same as

Ricksettia? The coinfection program that comes with the PERL has Ricksettia but not Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

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ROFL!

Yer a funny guy Losfer!

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I do not know what their co-infection program consists of, but here are what is listed for Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever.

Rocky_Mountain_spotted_fever - 375, 862, 943, 788, 468, 308
Rocky_Mtn_Spotted_Fever_and_Lyme_v - 7989, 1590, 239, 846, 422, 417, 1455, 39975, 40439, 884, 797, 758, 693, 673, 577, 4870, 4880, 578, 128, 579

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How long do you do each frequency? Do you start the protocol of Rifing using just "one" and then try another "single" frequency the next time?

I'm just wondering how to get started so I can keep it organized and as systematic as possible.

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The better way is to use one at a time, and assess effectiveness. Especially with any co-infections since less is known about which, if any work. This is much easier if you can feel the working frequencies, but I suspect that is not normally the case.

In the long run it is better to find effective ones so you can discerd the rest. It is harder than it seems, since some seem to work one time and will not work later.

I have run all of the CAFL frequencies in a session just because I did not want to take the time to try figure out the efective ones, but that is not really practical running one at a time. I was running eight at a time when I did that.

I also will try frequencies that others have found to work as a place to start.

Dan

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I forgot to answer your original question.

To start, 30 seconds of one frequency is plenty. No more than one minute. The reaction largely depends on how many spirochetes you have in your body at the time. If you are quite symptomatic, you will likely suffer a pretty intense Herx.
612 Hz is likely to work well.

Once you have determined the severity of your reaction, you can then adapt your treatment time.
I think that most of any bacterial damaging effect will occur in the first two minutes of treatment, and I usually use a five minute treatment time, per frequency. In reality, the frequencies probably only slightly damage a lot of the spirochetes, in the end, the immune system is going to do the bulk of the work.

Since you have had problems with most other treatments, I would assume this one will also give you detox problems. Perhaps other members with more experience on detox methods can help. I do not have much experience in this area, as it has not been an issue in our case.

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Are both of your feet grounded? Shoes off.

The Perl is very strong, I react to 432 so badly I cannot use it.
You should drink a glass of water before you rife. Some salt on the tongue.

Normally the company is very friendly and helpful.
Did you talk to their nurse? And also the technician?

It is better to rife without any clothes and better to rife when it is dark outside. The room has to be totally dark.

Also the best time is the full moon and no moon.

I really don't understand it, there must be some
frequency working.

Karen

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Dan,
Karen talked about rifing without clothing on and a few other suggestions. What do you think?

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The frequencies should penetrate most anything besides grounded metal. Since this is a very quality machine, I doubt there is anything wrong with it.

Water is recommended simply because it can dehydrate you slightly.

I do not use any special procedures, although I have used a grounding plate on occasion. It does not make much difference.

If nothing is being hit than there is likely nothing to hit. I do not know the history of the user, but if they are coming off of, or using antibiotics, there may not be any Spirochetes to kill.

Lately, I do not normally get a reaction from the standard Lyme frequencies with my wife either. Since we are treating every day, there is not much to kill. If we do not treat for a couple of weeks, she will react.

Lyme does not remain dormant very long. I would just wait until some symptoms start appearing. Use the machine then, and see what happens. Magnesium sometimes seems to bring Lyme out,

Another approach is to assume that the few remaining symptoms are from something other than Lyme. If you can narrow down a co-infection, you could try to treat it.

I would not rely of feeling anything. I do not think most people do. But it should produce a Herx, if it is hitting Lyme. The only exception is if there is very little left. Then you will not get a Herx on any treatment.

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