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Thanks for the info Dan. Yes, I agree that you wouldn't want to run different frequencies at the same time. I am excited about typing in the numbers and running them in sequencial order.
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Summer, that's what I was talking about, wasn't it? We program in the sequence we want, how long we want it to run, and then we sit and wait, right?

That would work for me while biking, playing Xbox, and all that stuff?

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MB -- yes, it looks like you could ride your bike b/c the machine would run the numbers and you don't have to keep entering them in manually the whole time you are operating it.

For some reason, I didn't think you were supposed to use the rife near computers or TV's. Might want to double check about that, in regards to your xbox wish.

Do you think using 2 machines during your treatment will affect your systematic process?

IMO - Get started using your current machine, time is a wasting!

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I may forego many plans as I continue research. I have not begun. I'm finishing a number of books on Rife and frequency. Sylver's book is really great. I'm finding that a simplistic routine may not be in my best interest, even if it could be helpful for controlling variables. As usual, reality is so much more complicated than a laboratory experiment can entirely account for.

We'll see what happens. I'll do my best to get the best of both worlds if possible.

It's a constant process of working things out in my head. I have an appt with the LLMD this Thursday. I know she's going to have ideas and plans that may conflict with Rife, so starting the therapy within the very near future may happen.

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What are the primary underpinnings of an appropriate routine for Rife therapy in your opinions?

In other words, water, detox, exercise. What do you find to be the three most crucial things, and do you use specific machines for purifying water or at least making it safe and healthful, and do you use certain brands of a certain detoxification product or drug?

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2ndtimearound, thanks for your reply and info, and everyone else thanks for sharing all of your experiences, it is very helpful/informative. I plan to try a machine at the llmd office a couple times to make sure I can tolerate it, and then get myself a machine.

thanks again, diana

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I finally bought a rife.. a used perl. The info I have so far suggests rifing every day for lyme. This scares me. I think you can also run multiple freqencies at once (banks I think). This sounds contradictory to all I have learned about rifing lyme. Any thoughts???

Thank you.. and thanks for such a helpful thread.

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For anyone who is interested - I wrote this out the other night and it got lost in cyberspace somewhere! Arrrgh! Oh well, here goes again [Smile]

1st treatment ever:

612 - 1 Minute
432 - 1 Minute
= 2 minutes total

I herxed VERY hard. My first herx started about 12 hours after my first treatment. Increased brain fog, joint pain, fluey muscle aches, chills, freezing cold hands and feet, increase in muscle twitches, extreme irratibility along with crying spells, and fatigue that was out of this world. This lasted about 3 days and then lifted pretty quickly after that. For detox I drink LOADS of lemon water throughout the day along with 3-4 cups of strongly brewed green tea. I also take turmeric, milk thistle and vitamin C daily for liver support.

2nd treatment: 2 weeks later

612 1 and a half min.
432 1 and a half min.
=3 minutes total treatment time

I had basically the same herx as the first time - all the same symptoms - but to a lesser degree. It was a little more tolerable.

I rifed again 2 weeks later but added 306 for 1 minute and 2 minutes each on 432 and 612, totaling 5 minutes treatment time.

From that point forward I increased my treatment times and continued to add new frequencies such as 76 and 1,224, and ending with 10,000. By my fifth treatment I was up to 18 minutes total treatment time. I had very strong herxes but tons of improvement always followed so it was worth it to me.

A few months into treatment for Lyme I had a Babs relapse so I used my machine for that. I did 20,27 and 570 all for 1 min each totaling 3 min total treatment time. I had an immediate clearing of all symptoms. I didn't have near as bad a herx from Babs as Lyme, so I got really brave really fast and upped my time substantially until I was rifing for Babs anywhere from 15-20 minutes at a time several times per week.

All the frequencies I use with ratings:

Lyme
612 - 10
432 - 8
1,224 - 12 (yes, it's that good)
306 - 5
76 - 6
10,000 - 7

Babesia
570 - 10
20 - 10
27 - 10

Hope that helps and happy Rifing!

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Also, I haven't been around a computer for a week or so and it's so great to see this thread growing so fast!

The past couple of weeks I've kinda felt that I've hit a wall as far as rifing for Lyme is concerned. I know that Doug Mcclean felt that spirochetes could become resistant to the same frequencies and I'm wondering if maybe that's the case??

For the last year I've pretty much had the same pattern: Lyme symptoms hit - I rife - typically have an immediate clearing of symptoms which lasts a glorious 24 hrs or so and then classic herx.

Here's the new pattern over the last few weeks. Lyme symptoms hit (which lately has included a lot of old symptoms I haven't had in a while) - I rife - I have the same clearing of symptoms that lasts for about 24 hours - AND THEN no herx! Just the same symptoms back that I rifed for to begin with and they don't go away again until I rife AGAIN and then they're only gone for about 24 hours before returning again....it's really confusing me.

I'll definitely be trying the syphilis frequencies - I need something to hit this this stuff hard.

Trial and error...trial and error. How I wish there were an easier way!

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MB -- You ask an interesting question about the underpinnings of an appropiate routine for rife and I think that it differs from person to person.

IMO, I do feel that purfied water and detox are imporant to everyone. You don't want all the die-off to be recirculated back into your system. You need to flush it out.

I think exercise is important IF you can do it. Right now, I can't.

In terms of the water, most people I know have installed a reverse osmosis system in their homes.

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LL28 -- Thanks for posting your tx protocol. Just like you, I don't feel a herx come on for 12-24 hrs after I rife. And then the fatigue is crushing along with the flu-like symptoms & pain in the neck.

I think that it is good that you are seeing old symptoms re-appear. I think I read in Bryan Rosners book that it is like peeling away layers of an onion and that towards the end of tx, peole report their first lyme symptoms re-appear.

So don't get discouraged, I think that it is a good sign.

I think it would be a good idea to throw in some new frequencies for lyme & babs. I will post some frequencies that I use.

You also might want to look into doing some research into the DNA frequencies. I haven't used them yet, but I plan on it within the next few months.

I agree that the trial and error part of the rife process is the hardest. Sometimes it feels like finding a needle in a haystack.

LYME Frequencies
42- 125- 203- 240- 432- 380- 484- 570- 610- 611- 612- 650- 690- 790- 800- 810- 832- 864- 920- 942-1224- 2112- 4320- 4328- 2,506,752 and 10,000. You can do 10K everyday

BABS Frequencies
570- 20- 27- 76- 5776- 753- 432- 1584- 1583- 650-661

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I have found that 612 works for Spirochetes.

2016 Hz works for some form of Lyme that I have not determined yet. It is not killing all cyst form and might not kill any. But it does kill some form of Lyme that 612 Hz is missing. Possibly, it is just more effective at killing Spirochetes than 612 Hz, but I am still not sure on that point.

What I do know is that the DNA frequencies are still hitting something that neither of the above frequencies are eliminating completely. I am fairly certain the DNA frequencies do hit cyst form.

I have contradictory evidence, so my new frequencies consist of:

612 Hz
2016 Hz and multiples such as 4032 6048 hz (Syphilis)

789,000 (Syphilis)

The first ten DNA frequencies run in the Mhz range.

I am going to try determine if 789,000 Hz and 2016 Hz are doing the same thing. I also am going to try determine if 612 hz is needed at all if the Syphilis frequencies are used. I have some evidence that 612 Hz may not be needed if the Syphilis frequencies are used.

Confusing results, but nothing else has been easy either.

Dan

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quote:
Originally posted by R62:
I finally bought a rife.. a used perl. The info I have so far suggests rifing every day for lyme. This scares me. I think you can also run multiple freqencies at once (banks I think). This sounds contradictory to all I have learned about rifing lyme. Any thoughts???

I would not rife for lyme everyday. A friend of mine also had a PERL and he said they recommended the same thing but he didn't do it that way. I would also check the frequencies they use in the "banks" just to see if they are in agreement with some of the more effective ones people here prefer. If not, I believe you can set up your own programs.

Once again - I wouldn't do it everyday or very long until you verify the freqs and see how you react - start slow - just my opinion.

All My Best!

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Interesting thread to say the least. Something I've definitely considered after I'm done with Dr B protocol is Rife treating.

Is that pointless to do after doing an abx treatment and going into remission?

Could i possibly pull myself out of remission by starting to hit lyme with rife? lol

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Thanks for all the great information.

I have had to take a break from Rife since I was in the Hospital all week but I want to get back to it and again start slow using the detox numbers I have posted I use to see how it goes.

My whole body feels so different after this infection and I got to feel the waters again.

This thread really has grown to become a wealth of great information and experiences and includes some great specifics that I know is helping us all and will help many to come...

Blessings to all...

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Asummers,

Thanks for the encouragement and the frequencies you use. Some of them were new to me so I'll give them a try for sure. I plan on rifing tomorrow using the syphilis freq that Dan posted. I'll let everyone know how it goes...

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by asummers:
Just like you, I don't feel a herx come on for 12-24 hrs after I rife. And then the fatigue is crushing along with the flu-like symptoms & pain in the neck.

Asummers...Your rife herx description is exactly what I experienced added with dizziness and pain on the back of the head. Would that be a lyme or a babesia herx that you provoked with rifing?

Are you able to distinguish between the types of herxes based on the frequencies you used?

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secondtimearound.. thank you. I dont see how if one herxes 12-24 hours later that you can judge what is too much if doing every day.

It is most desirable to hit one frequency at a time, right? The bank will go through all the frequencies set in it.

LL28.. what if the rife is disabling but not killing? Then the immune system would come in and fight but not be able to finish off? Would taking homeopathy or transfer factor be helpful?

If you are herxing with the same frequency again, then it is still working, right?

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"secondtimearound.. thank you. I dont see how if one herxes 12-24 hours later that you can judge what is too much if doing every day."

In my opinion - It really appears to depend on the individual and their immune system.

If you want to try it everyday - that is certainly up to you - I personally wouldn't.

You could rife for other things though.

Three years ago when I first started rife my immune system was in real bad shape so I, actually my wife identified my pattern.

I would rife and 3-4 days later I would be a wreck - so I believe that it took longer for my immune system/body to identify the toxins. Of course this is all opinion/personal experience.

This time after being bitten again I would rife and then herx the next day. Of course I had been completely well for three years with a healthy immune system.

The idea is to kill the active spirochetes, detox and wait for the spirochetes to build up again - this appears to be the case when lyme has converted to the other dormant forms of the bacteria.

I noticed this both times being sick - the first time I had to take my time waiting for it to activate plus I was so sick. This time because it was a new infection I needed/wanted to rife every 2-3 days for the first 8 weeks. Now I haven't had to in the the last 2 weeks. I will tonight and see if I herx - but I don't really have any symptoms at this time so we'll see.

As they activate and you have detoxed the previous toxins you do it over again for as long as it takes.

This has worked for me twice now with the small additions of other treatments - meds,salt/c and this time, 3 days of buhner herbs.

I have done very little outside of the protocol outlined in the lyme and rife book by rosner.

Frequencies:

It would probably be beneficial to do both - run multiple frequencies and individual. I can only run individual frequencies but running the multiple would cover more per treatment, hit the in between ones and save time - This is why I am looking at the GB4000 so I can have the best of both worlds.

All My Best!

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I saw my LLMD yesterday (Dr H in NY). They are encouraging me. They said "We have a routine for people who Rife that will support your treatment. The Rife is your decision, we don't know or suggest frequencies, but we can provide plenty of help in detox, heavy metals, and many other areas that we use with patients who do take that route.

This was a shock to me. It was the PA who I saw and have worked with. She is brilliant. She did "not" prescribe or recommend this to me, but she seemed excited and happy about my decision to take it seriously.

At any rate I'm exhausting a few more antibiotics before starting. She prescribed ongoing Rifampin, Tindimax, Naltrexone, RX Chelex, Vitamin D3, Milk Thistle, Vitamin B6, (Multi Mineral), Lariam, Magnesium, Diflucan or VFEND, Ongoing Nystatin, VSL3/Theralac/Saccrymycin, ALA, and NAC, as well as Dr. Zhangs Hepa#2.

She also told me to get a Reverse Osmosis unit installed for fresh water. She told me I need to drink a lot (but also replace the lost minerals from Reverse Osmosis with one she prescribed), especially when I begin Rife. She told me once I'm done with the antibiotics, then I can start Rife if I choose. I told her that's how I wanted to do it.

Anyway, I thought this was exciting news since I'd never heard her so excited about Rife before.

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Frequency treatments are not as unknown as you would think. It is just not discussed openly for the obvious reasons.

I am glad they know how to go about detox, since this can be a problem for some people.

Dan

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From an old post of mine

"I ended up looking into the list I was given with my machine for syhphillis and ran that program last night.
Wow. it was powerful. I am herxing badly today. Quit intense.

If your curious about those numbers.. they are

900 660 650 625 600 626 20 658

Notice all the 600's!"

Has anyone tried this sequence?

I found I got quite herx from it and after finding the 2016 in old antidotes then I went searching for other syphillis numbers.

I think there is something to this and from readings here Dan is in agreement with the signifigance.

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I noticed that there were some questions about the BCX ULTRA Machine posted by some.

I am using this machine if you want to Message me or ask me any questions feel free to and I will try to help in any way I can.

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LL28 -- you have inspired me to try the syphilis number/s as well and see if i get a reaction. I hope you will post your reactions to the frequencies here, as I am curious to see who else reacts.

lauralyme -- i have been concentrating on rifing for babs more than lyme. from what i can tell so far, i seem to have the same herx whether it is lyme or babs that i am rifing for.

my goal is to get to rifing once a week for lyme and twice a week for babs.

and my pain is actually in the back of my head/base of my skull/neck. another thing that i noticed was that the nights that i rife, i actually fall asleep easily. i usually have problems with insomnia.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by METALLlC BLUE:

She also told me to get a Reverse Osmosis unit installed for fresh water. She told me I need to drink a lot (but also replace the lost minerals from Reverse Osmosis with one she prescribed)

Viewing a recent video of Dr H at a conference he stated that he put alkaline water ionizers in his office. Hearing him say that was encouraging me to buy one but now I see his PA leans towards reverse osmosis.

Now I'm confused as to what water system to get.
[confused]

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Laura,
She told me about the Ionizer too and said that's really great. She wasn't pushing for one or the other per se.

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MB -- glad to hear that you had a positive experience with your PA about rife. I used to see Dr. C (MO).

I brought up rife to him as an option and he stated that he has had many patients use rife and they no longer need to see him b/c they are doing so well and are in remission. He in no way tried to discourage me from using it.

I know what you mean when you want to exhaust all abx options, I am in the same boat. That is why I signed up for another yr of new abx to try and kick this babs in the butt.

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Okay, I didn't Rife yesterday as planned. I felt so good and I didn't want to ruin it!

I woke up this morning and had a lot of symptoms and just an overall "Lymie" feeling, so I decided to play around with the Syphilis frequencies to see what happened.

Like Dan's wife, I can feel what frequencies work and don't work during treatment. I get weird twinges and twitches and shooting pains in my bones and things like that - very helpful b/c it makes it easy to tell which freq are working and which ones aren't...

I just rifed about 2 hours ago and here's what I did:

2016 - 3 minutes

600 - 3 minutes

658 - 3 minutes

900 - 1 minute

I had zero reaction to any of these - nothing. I was pretty disappointed and starting to feel a little discouraged. I decided to go back through my notes from months back when I was having so much progress to see if there was something I was missing....

I noticed that back in July I had used 800 and noted "major reaction" in my notes - but I never used it again (whoops).

Sooo, I thought I better give 800 a go again and see what happens. WOW!! About a minute into it I started twitching everywhere. My right leg started tingling and I got a stabbing sensation in my head near the back of my ear. My wrists also started to hurt REALLY BAD. I ran 800 for 3 min total.

I then decided to play around with some other 800 numbers so I ran 832 and 864 for 4 minutes each freq. I had a very similar reaction to both of those - a lot of twitching and random pains.

About an hour later I had to run to the toilet several times because I had bad...you know...

NOW I feel sooo good...almost like I took a happy pill or something and just a total feeling of relief.

I'd love some speculation as to why the 800 frequencies caused such a profound reaction in me. Aren't those Bartonella frequencies? I thought I got rid of Bart a long time ago...

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Metallic,

That is great that L. gave you options again.
I always liked her. Hope the new protocol goes
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LL28 - first let me say how jealous I am that you can feel the frequencies as you are doing the rife. I think that makes it so much easier.

Yes, those 800's are Bart frequencies and I am not surprised that you had a reaction to them.

Off the top of my head I am remembering something in Bryan Rosners book about when people are on abx, that the lyme & coinfections hid from the abx deep inside our bodies. Then, when we are off the abx, over time they come out from hiding.

I am guessing that is what is happening to you. It sounds like it has been a while since you treated for Bart and now they think it is safe to come out and have a party.

That is why I thik rife is something that is used over the long haul (years). Because a lot of us pushed these infections into 'remission' and it is just a matter of time before they come out to play again.

Not sure if I made sense, I have terrible brain fog and difficulty formulating my thoughts in an adult manner these days. I think you have Bryan's book, it is in there somewhere.

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Hey asummers,

I do feel very blessed that I can feel many of the frequencies working...it does make it easier.

I think you're absolutely right about pushing the infections into remission on abx and when things are "safe" they come back out to get you.

I've had increasing symptoms over the last few weeks and I've been rifing and rifing and rifing with basically no results. Of course I was using Lyme frequencies - I thought I was chasing the right thing. No one is more surprised than me that it seems to be Bartonella rearing it's head again.

I took Zith for about a year and it seemed to have cleared it for me, but apparently not completely.

I KNOW that I'm gonna have a nasty herx from this treatment, but hey, no pain no gain!

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Hello..

I was wondering. Does anyone just feel better after each rife and does not herx?

Also.. People who use Foot Plates. Have you used them on your calves while laying in bed? And if so did you notice any difference? I have tried it and I notice I get a much bigger sensation and even burning feeling. I wonder why that is. Is it because of the thinner skin?

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I've used a footplate under my calves and felt nothing from it.

Last night I rifed with someone in the room who isn't usually there and isn't symptomatic, although he had lyme with a bullseye and was successfully treated with abx years ago. He felt pain in him left wrist every time I hit an erlichia frequency, even without knowing when I hit them.

Interesting.

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A wet wash cloth should be used on the plate for conductivity. Dry skin is not a very good conductor.

Interesting result with the Erlichia frequency. you can use this same blind method to eliminate any placebo effect possibility.

I used to do this extensively, which is how I determined that it was an effective treatment.

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Since doing Kpu,I am feeling better after Rifing with my EMEM. Quite interesting to me.A few days later though I feel ill. Not sure if that is a herx or not as KPU protocol still is quite intense.
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Tonight I tried something different. I hooked up the GB-4000 to the amplifier and the EMX. I ran frequencies through the contacts and the plasma device. Contact mode and plasma mode at the same time. I also ran the Gating feature.

I am somewhat limited to frequencies this way as I am in Audio mode, which leaves me lower frequencies to use. I ran the Lyme Harmonic first, which is 306 Hz and doubled each time to a total of eight frequencies. These run at the same time. It had some effect, but less than moderate.

Then I ran 2016 Hz for forty minutes. She felt this quite a lot at first. She felt it in her jaw, spine, hips and just about any place a joint existed. After about 15 minutes the effect diminished and was not too bad after that. She did say she might have to turn it off in the beginning. She did stick with it, and it got better.

I ran 6048 Hz also, but not much was felt from that frequency. It seems that either most of the Lyme was killed, or she just could not feel it anymore for whatever reason.

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Does anyone know if there are frequencies that could possibly kill healthy cells?

Is this a concern with rife?

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From the NCFL

5000 (allergies, short use only, long exposures may affect red blood cells)

Treating Tuberculosis should not be done, as there are some possible hazards in making it worse, by missing pathogens released by the breaking up of the bacteria.

This comes from Rife's experience in treating animals with TB. If done correctly, it was very effective, if done wrong, it was deadly to the animals.

These are the only potential problems I am aware of. Of course, not everything is known.

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I'm happy rifing mostly every day. I'm just beginning, not very sick, not very big herxes. I haven't used the amplifier yet.

I do 612 and 2016 for 1 minute each day. They feel warm in my forehead. 2016 feels warmer and stronger.

Candida rifing hasn't cured my candida yet. It's better, but not cured. Also, i just assume it's candida, haven't had any scientific diagnosis.

Dan, what frequencies did you use to cure it?

I'm using the Candida CAFL 1 , both as groups and sequence, for 3 minutes on groups, and then gradually increasing the number of single frx, i'm up to the first 6 frx, 1 min each.

Before that i was using the GB4000 candida frx as a group, their channel #122.

The candida frx feel warm in my forehead too! I'm feeling everything in my forehead, and nowhere else.

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I have never treated Candida or yeast of any kind.

464 Hz was mentioned by one researcher that I trust.

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Well, I did it...I just ordered the GB-4000 last night!

I have a lot of studying to do so I can start using it on my husband (and myself) soon after it gets here!

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The GB is a great machine. I hope it help you both a lot.

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Tick battler congrats on ordering the GB 4000. I doubt you will be disappointed. I am buying the B3 which is the model the company put out before the GB.

I ran the syphillis frequencies for 1 minute each. I didn't have a herx from it. In order to double check, I ran the frequencies again the following day. The second time, I might have felt a twinge in my head on 600, but still no herx or other reactions.

I think this is a good sign b/c if I had a reaction, my husband would have some explaining to do [Frown]

I have a DT EMEM5a and when I ran the high frequency of 789,000 - my machine sounded like it couldn't go that high. There was no light coming from my machine and the noise was so slight. Can this machine handle high frequencies like these??

I was also reading another rife website that states Dr. K feels that many lyme patients have chronic strep that they aren't aware of. And some people were rifing for strep off the CAFL list.

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Thanks Dan and asummers. I hope it will do the trick. I haven't ruled out also getting an EMEM down the road.

I too worry about strep...particularly for one of my 5 year old boys...he has OCD tics but has tested negative for strep. I do wonder if it is just not showing up in testing.

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Good Deal Tickbattler.. I hope it wokrs out well... I am excited for you.

I have had to lay off the Rife at all since I was in the hospital and recovering.

I got the guts to try it two nights ago and It was sooooo painful to do. I am still dealing with risidual pain from the whole ordeal even after two weeks post discharge.

Not sure if that had something to do with it or if it is because I had to take a 3 week break?

What do you think.

I barely could handle it. I then after a few hours did just detox and healing and organ support and that sure helped it calm down some.

Now I am fearful to do it again but I know it might be helping too.

I ran a new program just for bacterial infections because of this Port Blood Infection but I do not think that was the issue. I ran my other normal programs I have been for Lyme and Parasites and Viruses. I have 3 I run now consistently. And I felt like never before. The pain shotting through my legs and arms and knees and wrists and head and toes and feet and fingers and and neck and back and all over the place.

HAs anyone had shooting pains like all along your nervous system?

I think that is where these buggers are hanging on.. Is that known ?? Do they hang on the nerves or do they just affect the nerves as a reaction??

Anyone know how this works?

Thanks..


OH Good point on the STREP Commment. Before I got sick.. I had STrep throat every 3 weeks for 6 months and that is what precursed my huge illness and bedridden condition forward...

So Thanks for reminding me. I am going to look those up!!!

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Spring,

Maybe the blood port infection took alot of work for your immune system and while it was busy with that lyme and co's popped back up again, then when you rifed you hit them?

In any case, be careful and go slow.

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I react favorably whenever I ran strep and staph freqs. I don't know why. I've often suspected I have a chronic staph infection hidden somewhere in this old body.

It rears it's ugly head every so often.

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I am pretty sure Lyme attaches to nerves. That is what brings on Bell's Palsy. I also think that is why my wife can feel the effective frequencies.

Strep is common, and anyone can have it. I was randomly running frequencies to try find out why I was so sick, prior to my Crohn's Diagnosis. I ran strep and had several hits in various parts of the body. I was surprised by that since it was one of the few times I felt a frequency doing something.

It did not resolve my problem, but I never would have guessed I had any Strep in my system.

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Dan,
Have you tried running the frequencies for Mycobacterium Tuberculosis, or any of the frequencies that some suggest may be causing Crohn's Disease. Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis?

I'm just curious where you are in that regard. Since I was also diagnosed with Crohn's Disease, I now attribute it to tick-born infection having caused my autoimmune illness, but I suspect infectious disease is general the cause of conditions like this.

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Dan, which bacteria do you contribute to your Crohn's sx?

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Yes, I have treated for MAP and a few other suspect pathogens. I had already used MMS, which actually brought me straight out of a flare, so the effect of the frequencies is hard to determine.

There likely is an interplay of several pathogens that exist because of a faulty immune response. My use and the success of MMS suggests this may be the case.

I simply do not have hardly any symptoms to resolve at this time. I have it under control so well it is hard to really tell if any other treatment does anything or not.

I have several potential methods to get me out of any future symptoms, and I would be surprised if one or more of them would not do the trick.

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Very interesting about the strep. My niece, who has Lyme, had frequent strep infections as a child.

As far as Lyme attaching to the nerves, do you mean neuro. through the nerves themselves or the brain or a combo? I have had many neuro problems, but the one I find most interesting is my voice problems. An ENT said it was a neuro effect of Lyme that causes my vocal cords to go in spasms.

I was given a diagnosis of indeterminate colitis (because it skipped my transverse colon), but lately my gastro has been calling it ulcerative colitis. He says because the damage isn't that bad, but it was only the 1st scope that showed it.

Anyway, a long time ago I read where somebody said that Bartonella is the culprit for IBD. Didn't Dr. Fried say that, too? I tested neg. for Bart, so guess it's my Lyme.

My hubby is going to go to my sis' and retrieve my EMEM. I feel bad taking it from her, but since my relapse and the expense of the Bicillin injections, AND everything other part of the treatment is killing me I feel I need to.

Should I try it on my Lyme or no, because I am getting the abx? Or should I just use it to detox and/or use the frx for other infections (like the ones in this thread)?


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It will not hurt anything to go at the Lyme, but I would try 789,000 Hz and/or 2016 Hz in hopes of hitting something other than Spirochete form.

The ABX will pretty much have eliminated any Spirochete form.

I hope you are drinking Green Tea to help the ABX.

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How can one use rife with EMF sensitivuyt? I have it severely, so I am guessing RIFE would not be a good option for me??

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The sensitivity problem may prevent you from using frequency treatments or not. The problem is worse when using a sine RF carrier wave, but many machines either do not use a carrier wave, or you can run it without it.

I would try find a machine to try before buying one for sure. Then you will know for sure. The sensitivity problem seems to always get better as Lyme is reduced, but getting past that problem is not easy.

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Well, I'm definitely having a flare of some sort. In the beginning of this thread I just had to talk about how great I've been doing and how I'm functioning at 90% - Well not anymore [Roll Eyes]

I'm trying not to look at this as a full blown relapse but I've got about 20 different symptoms all at once right now that I haven't had in a loooong time. Muscle twitches everywhere, feels like bugs are crawling around under my skin, the right side of my face is numb and tingly, eye pain, crazy floaters, headaches coming and going with the wind, severe joint pain in my hips, insomnia, random anxiety and a few other things I'm sure I'm forgetting because the brain fog is back too!

All of this happened after starting coconut oil - that is the only thing I've done differently. I didn't start out slow either. Nope, I thought, "Hmmm, I'm doing so well I think I'll take 3 TBLSP a day. No worries, I'll be fiiiine". Ha!

Not positive that's the culprit but I don't know what else it could be. I rifed last Saturday and had major reactions to all of the Bart frequencies which really surprised me, but no reaction to any Lyme ones. I rifed again last night and had zero reaction to the Bart frequencies and a lot with the Lyme. Soooo, basically I'm totally confused. Maybe they're taking turns?

One thing is for sure - this SUCKS.

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Where do you buy an economical rife machine? How come I can find no companies on-line? Only thing I can find is site warning against rife as being a total scam.

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I'm so sorry to hear about the relapse LymeLauren. [Frown] THIS is why I responded on that one thread saying this crap IS a LIFELONG battle. All these talks about cure/remission never hold up. I hope it turns around soon. Good luck.
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Thanks Seek, I really appreciate it. I believe too that this is likely a lifelong battle for most of us....

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Sorry To hear Lauren. Dang. How long were you at 90 percent? What percent do you guage now? And how fast did it go down to that? Just like a month or two?

Are you doing anything besides rife? or are you planning on just doing rife to try to recoup the ground? Did you stop the coconut oil? Did that help at all?

Gosh I am so sorry. This whole disease sucks bad and I do not wish it on anyone ever... I thick about near every other disease and sometimes wish I had them. Even the deadly ones. I guess the long term suffering gets to me. Sometimes it just makes you feel like you wish at least there might be an end soon.

Well. Hugs and My thoughts are with you... I hope this is a short setback and you will regain your 90 percent very soon. 90 percent is great!!! so you were there not that long ago and I have faith you will return soon...

OUr bodies have memories. I saw a show last night about pain and how after years of pain our minds develop a pain memory and that they are researching how to break that cycle with various visual neuro therpies and that they feel confident that we can teach patients to retrain the brain back again to feel no pain and help the chronic pain sufferers. Pain is and has been a large part of my symptoms and meditation a large part of what helps. So I do believe that it can work. It was just reearch.

But point is that your body has that memory of 90 percent that is still pretty fresh. I hope you bounce back to it soon.

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Lauren,

Hang in there it may be just a progression backwards through the infection - as outlined in Rosner's book. I wonder if the coconut oil could have opened some cysts.

Rich,

I think others have posted links throughout this thread where we purchased our machines.

Here is where I bought my two machines:

www.rifelabs.com - they just had a family death so I'm not sure if the son has gotten back up to full production yet.

www.coilmachines.com

I am not affiliated with either.

All My Best!

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LL28 -- I agree with secondtimearound about the progression backwards theory. Now that you aren't on any abx, these lil' critters are coming out of hiding.

I am not familiar with Coconut Oil and its purpose, but it sure sounds like it did something.

This is the time for you when rife is going to be more important than ever. It sounds like the bugs have come out to play, bart, babs, lyme -- who knows, but I feel you have to be vigilant and rife.

If coconut oil is a cyst buster, then I would rife after b/c what you don't bust could turn into spiro's.

Hang in there.

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Look up monolaurin in regards to Coconut Oil.

Richedie there are many different machines out there. The GB-4000, Several EMEM devices. One of the lowest cost devices is made by an individual who makes them at cost.

I will PM you some info, but I will have to do it tomorrow as I have to go to work right now.

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We have a DT EMEM for my daughter. Easy to use and is very inexpensive. There is about a month wait list.

PM me if you have any questions on this particular machine.

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I am so far behind and this is so far back in the thread, I am including the entire post.

Thank you, secondtimearound. This makes a lot of sense. It seems folks that use the perl have a diff protocol and I am not sure how to go forward. I dont understand 5 days on and two off. Esp with delayed immune responses.

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Originally posted by secondtimearound:

In my opinion - It really appears to depend on the individual and their immune system.

If you want to try it everyday - that is certainly up to you - I personally wouldn't.

You could rife for other things though.

Three years ago when I first started rife my immune system was in real bad shape so I, actually my wife identified my pattern.

I would rife and 3-4 days later I would be a wreck - so I believe that it took longer for my immune system/body to identify the toxins. Of course this is all opinion/personal experience.

This time after being bitten again I would rife and then herx the next day. Of course I had been completely well for three years with a healthy immune system.

The idea is to kill the active spirochetes, detox and wait for the spirochetes to build up again - this appears to be the case when lyme has converted to the other dormant forms of the bacteria.

I noticed this both times being sick - the first time I had to take my time waiting for it to activate plus I was so sick. This time because it was a new infection I needed/wanted to rife every 2-3 days for the first 8 weeks. Now I haven't had to in the the last 2 weeks. I will tonight and see if I herx - but I don't really have any symptoms at this time so we'll see.

As they activate and you have detoxed the previous toxins you do it over again for as long as it takes.

This has worked for me twice now with the small additions of other treatments - meds,salt/c and this time, 3 days of buhner herbs.

I have done very little outside of the protocol outlined in the lyme and rife book by rosner.

Frequencies:

It would probably be beneficial to do both - run multiple frequencies and individual. I can only run individual frequencies but running the multiple would cover more per treatment, hit the in between ones and save time - This is why I am looking at the GB4000 so I can have the best of both worlds.

All My Best!


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This rife is really working! This is exciting! It's going so much faster and better than i ever imagined!

The pattern so far is that i rife e.g., early a.m., feel herxy woozy all day, thinking i'd better not rife the next day till i get clear, then the next a.m. my head is all cleared and i'm ready to rife again.

Except today i didn't rife, so i had a great day with a clear head, hours of mostly symptom free, ---which is better than i got from years of abx!

Then i rifed, for Babesia, Candida, Lyme, and for the first time i tried the Dental Foci channel #200 and had a stronger head reaction than from the others. I also did have warm head feelings on Fry Labs protozoa 72 and 120.

For detox i'm doing lemon and garlic every day, and some nights chlorella or MCP Modified Citrus Pectin.

So i think the rifing is just amazing!

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Hey Polly,

Thanks for the report. I can't wait to get my GB 4000 and to start using it on myself and my husband!

I saw you mentioned that you only did 2 frequencies for a minute each in the beginning. How long did you do this before you added more frequencies or run time? Also, why aren't you using the amplifier yet? Do you think it would be too strong?

I'm curious, where did you get the Fry labs protozoa numbers? What was the rationale for linking these numbers to this protozoa?

Were they listed elsewhere in this thread?

Thanks!

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Nenah Sylver quoted Peter Walker as saying, "Pad devices have a positive effect because they can tonify the body and help improve its energy levels. Plasma units are great for killing parasites."

Makes me wonder whether plasma units are preferred over pad units for eliminating lyme.

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Hi..

It was me who wrote in a past post on this thread that

"Reminder about 72 and 120 ... Nynah Silver writes that those two numbers kill 75 percent of parasites.
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So hence the connection thinking that those might cover the fry protozoans..

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Yes, here's the quote i got the numbers (72, 120) from; it's good to get back to the original source before starting rumors!! Thanks for the reference, springshowers!

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Someone started this thread about killing the Fry Bug which is a goal of mine

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/88900

I added in the 72 and 120 and it hit me with the biggest punch yet...

So I suggest trying these to to start with. I will post any more infor I find out if and when I do.. : )
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A couple of us are trying to target the mystery protozoan and

Karenl stated in another thread "started rifing the 787 for malaria and it did something all over my body"

I added progrsms to my generator and they are

Malaria - 4, 20, 28, 222, 550, 713, 880, 930, 1032, 1433, 1444, 1445, 455, 743

Malaria - 555,728,787,880

Toxo - 434, 852, 19665.89, 979.11

I always still add in the Detox and Kidney Liver Lymph programs too

Otherwise I am doing long periods of time on the rife...

I started with just the detox and organs supports for the first few weeks. This really helped me alot.

I now do those plus rotate with a Viral program and Parasite program and Lyme program. Now added in Malaria and Toxoplasmosis.

We will see... I see it also as some insurance on not allowing what I have done to return as well.
So we will see.

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UNQUOTE
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Tick b-----

(Polly starts here) I'm still doing only 2 minutes a day on lyme, 1 min 612, 1 min 2016, and i still haven't hooked up the amplifier.

It feels right to me: i still have to feel woozy all day, so it's giving me plenty of effect. My most urgent problem is Candida in the guts, so i'm doing 6 or 9 min per day on Candida.

I may have slight left-over Babesia or even Bart, so i spend a minute or 3 min on those groups, which i imagine make me feel better.

I thought it was interesting that i thought i felt a comparatively strong reaction to the Dental Foci channel; i do have a couple of root canals and an implant, so i should do that channel every day---

provided i can take care of detox properly! That's still a puzzle for me. I've got a whole file of quotes and need to research chlorella on pubmed. My LLMD said sauna is the best detox. My problem is fear of robbing my calcium, magnesium, strontium, and trace minerals.

I'm also worrying about this quote from another forum:

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Reply here: http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/

Posted by : Michael Walczak

I would caution anyone of using serious Detox supplements, and the Rife frequenciies for any major dx while trying to grow bone into an implant. The surgery and metal implant compromises the Immune System, especially the white killer cells. The Detox interferes with the cellular bone growth, as well as, the gums.
You can read this information from many years ago in Price-Pottenger literature. Do one at a time. Unfortunately, it is difficult to ignor cancer cells, while waiting for the Implant to heal. :cry:
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What to think about that???

Also, for completeness, i am still taking a small dose of abx and a full dose of Buhner and Babesia herbals.

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I've known since I bought my rife machine back in '04 that it was a lifetime investment into my future/well being.

I've never expected the magic "cure" thing. I've known for 10 years this was a long journey.

Remissions are very short lived. It's very complicated. I'm a vector magnet. That's why my rife will be with me for the rest of my life.

That's why I was blessed enough to be led down this path.

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At first i felt all the rife reactions, while rifing, in my forehead. Now i'm feeling all the reactions while rifing NOT in my forehead, but in the rest of the brain area like top and back head.

Why? what does that mean? Do the books by Bryan Rosner and Nenah Sylver explain why i feel them in the head now? I haven't read these books.

I wish a guru like Selma or Dr K would say something far out like "your channels are unblocked".

Do these books say my technique is wrong of fudging treatment: a little abx, a little rife, but not enough to kill a bug?

Should i buy those books?

My husband is a skeptic: he looks at the manual and says "Sine wave... square wave... energy.... these people have no idea what the words mean. None of this makes any sense to me."

Then i say, "The Dental Foci channel hit me hardest."

He: "Better have your teeth checked."

I: "But you don't believe in rife."

He: (fudge, wiggle)

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Holy 72 & 120! I just rifed these two numbers and 1 hour later, I have stabbing pains all over my body. They feel like a 4 on a scale of 1-10 so there are managable.

I know this is a herx from the rife, b/c pain or even stabbing pains is not part of my symptom list.

I can't wait until I try the Malaria & Toxo frequencies.

How often can you rife for parasites?

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Can those of you who rife with an EMEM machine- if you have been rifing for close to a year- tell me the amount of total time you are rifing?
I have been rifing for 8 months now two times a month but am only up to 14 minutes total including the 10k detox. I know people respond differently to rifing, but would be interesed in knowing what amount of time others have worked up to. Thanks. Beth

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Beth,

While lyme is to be 12-14 days apart for treatments, you can rife for other infections/conditions more frequently. This will move you along faster.

You can even do 10K everyday (to address inflammation).

And, even with lyme, as you get better and herxes become a thing of the past, treatments can be more frequent. That can take a while for many, though. Still, no point in letting time pass you by if you can do treatments for coinfections while you wait out the lyme timing.
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