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Lymetoo
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Quoted from one of our LLMD's:

In Dr. P’s words:

“Another common presentation is MS. When we say that Lyme can mimic MS, it can do so literally 100%. So, we have to ask what percentage of MS is caused by Lyme.

If you look at the epidemiology of Lyme, it overlaps with MS identically. If you look at the diagnostics--whether it's white spots on the brain or spinal cord or optic neuritis, oligoclonal bands in the spinal fluid, or evoked potentials--every single clinical descriptor has been reported with Lyme. There is no clinical, laboratory, or radiologic feature which accurately differentiates the two.

Keep in mind that the majority of symptoms of Lyme are caused by the immune system going after the organism. If you induce immune suppression, you can reduce symptoms in most patients, but at the huge cost of allowing the bacteria go deeper and become more entrenched. So, it's no surprise that steroids given before antibiotics increase the risk of antibiotic treatment failure.

Back in the early MS literature, they found spirochetes in the brains of patients who were autopsied. They called it by a Latin name that meant myelin destroyer.

They knew it was a spirochete that wasn't syphilis but they didn't know what it was, and they did a number of animal studies taking the spinal cord fluid and tissue of those with MS and putting it into baby animals, and the animals got progressive neurologic illness.
But when steroids were discovered, they realized they could suppress symptoms quickly, and this whole concept of autoimmune disease sprang up. So, before steroids, MS was known as an infectious disease.

This is also where a 180 degree turn was made in the field of rheumatology. In the older rheumatology literature, there was an ever-present investigation into the causes of inflammatory conditions. Now it seems that everyone focuses on newer and more lucrative immunosuppressive drugs without looking for the cause of the inflammation.”

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Excellent post. Do you have the URL / link for that? I'd like that for my reference notes & the link helps a lot.
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No, I don't. I found it on Facebook. It was posted by one of the Lyme groups. I'll see if I can find out which one.

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Found it first try with "Google Advanced Search" and copy & pasting in the entire first sentence in the quotation space. I love that feature.

Seems to match the post you saw at Facebook. Sometimes, the text can be altered & even skewed from original by posters on social media sites, so glad that at least to my eyes & a moderately careful match (as to what my energy can provide), it matches.

This is a good article interview with a well respected LLMD.

I did not scout out Part 2 (or beyond?)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/where-cdc-guidelines-fail-leading-lyme-doctor-succeeds-part-1_n_9318660

Where CDC Guidelines Fail, Leading Lyme Doctor Succeeds

Part 1

A lot of medicine is dogmatic. Doctors are not taught to think as they go along; they're taught to read guidelines and they just practice but they're not investigating the processes themselves.

By Dana Parish, Contributor - Huffington Post

03/01/2016
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Good job sleuthing!

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