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Thanks Robin.

I've been anxiously waiting for the release of this book, put my request into the library a month ago.

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/137645#000000

In your interview post, Kris Newby states she is scared about how Lyme patients will react to Willys involvement in the tick bio-weapon activities.

I think she's delusional if she thinks Lyme patients are her biggest threat.

It's critical for her to take the proper steps to protect herself from our foes, our deniers, the CDC and the IDSA. Because you know, the ####'s gonna hit the fan !!!!!!!!!

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I don't think she needs to be concerned about how Lyme patients will react - the possibility of biowarfare has long been discussed!

Just take a look at the book Lab 257.

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It always turned my stomach the lyme patients that said how does it help us talking about this stuff...

If anyone knows the history of our government and having accidental biological releases like the one with Ebola in Reston Virginia, wouldn't you like to know if your disease comes from an accidental release and coverup of our government.

I mean you just never know, what if this also becomes evidence used in their court case down in Texas where they're currently suing the same CDC/IDSA Doctors for conspiring with Insurance companies.
https://www.courthousenews.com/insurers-accused-conspiring-deny-lyme-disease-coverage/

Sorry, I get tired of people turning a blind eye to corruption in our government, I really do.

This why corruption goes on, because we let it go on and no one ever gets prosecuted and goes to jail.

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I don't think she needs to be concerned about how Lyme patients will react - the possibility of biowarfare has long been discussed!

Just take a look at the book Lab 257.

Just a hunch, I think she's more worried about lyme patients retaliating.

I mean thinking what a chronically ill patient is capable of after he or she learns that their disease is caused by a government's accidental release of a biological warfare weapon and they're purposely covering it up. Purposely denying you insurance coverage... The Doctors in your home state still saying it's psychosomatic disease and doesn't exist in your home state.

Considering how pissed off director Timothy Grey from Under the Eightball was after losing his sister. Thinking on the lines of the family members who lost loved ones and the hopsitals/doctors who mistreated their them, what could they be capable of as more evidence is brought to light.

I just went into a hospital in rural Michigan, Rochester to be exact. Because I was having lyme seizures... Guess what the Doctor said, there's no lyme in Michigan. Despite the numerous articles stating lyme disease is spreading all over the state, like this one here
https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/tick-season-in-michigan-how-to-stay-safe-as-lyme-disease-risk-spreads-east

The lies are so bad surrounding this disease, it without a doubt could bring down the whole insurance medical system considering what's at stake in the current lawsuit in Texas.

I mean if they win their case down in Texas, that could possibly mean we could all receive money. Even maybe allowing us to sue!

What did Dr. J say in the recent Under Our Skin 2 Documentary, "the lies are too big to confess."

When I brought up the biowarfare documentary Under the Eightball documentary with the top LLMD in Michigan, guess what he said, everything in that documentary is true.

And one of the LLMDs from my area was actually in that documentary, Dr. M from Keego Harbor.

I'm so grateful more evidence is coming out in this new book, good for the author and Andy Abrahams interviewing her.

I suspect Andy wouldn't have been doing this interview if he hadn't thought that there wasn't any connection of this being biological warfare.

Even Tom Grier talked about the interview with Willy Burgdorfer and this being an accidental biological warfare release on Coast to Coast AM years ago
https://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/grier-tom/53606

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quote:
Originally posted by Dan455:

I mean if they win their case down in Texas, that could possibly mean we could all receive money. Even maybe allowing us to sue!


By the way, listen to what this video has to say when you get a chance...

https://youtu.be/40EWjpREeXY?t=956

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He wants his lawsut to open the doors who are suffering from lyme disease because of late detection for them to be able to sue the CDC, lawsuits against the government are hard to win but lee says he'll lyme sufferers all the data from his case to do it...


Remember Dr. Lee is suing the CDC for 57 million for suppressing early detection testing.
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I had pre-ordered the book "Bitten" which arrived in my mailbox the day after it was released. It's a thriller, hard to put it down.

I haven't had time to read all of it yet, but I was eager to post my favorable review of it on the Amazon website in order to help boost its sales.

Here's a link to all of the reviews for Kris Newby's "Bitten" posted to date, just to whet your appetite for reading it.
https://www.amazon.com/Bitten-History-Disease-Biological-Weapons/dp/006289627X/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_pl_foot_top?ie=UTF8#customerReviews

FYI: If you're trying to guess which one of the reviews is mine, since my screen name at Amazon is different from the one I use here at Lymenet, then here are a couple of clues:
My screen name at Amazon is somewhat related to my alias here at LymeNet, and a second clue is verbosity -- i.e., wordiness. Brevity has never been my strong suit!

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quote:
Originally posted by TX Lyme Mom:


I haven't had time to read all of it yet, but I was eager to post my favorable review of it on the Amazon website in order to help boost its sales.

FYI: If you're trying to guess which one of the reviews is mine, since my screen name at Amazon is different from the one I use here at Lymenet, then here are a couple of clues:
My screen name at Amazon is somewhat related to my alias here at LymeNet, and a second clue is verbosity -- i.e., wordiness. Brevity has never been my strong suit!

Awesome, more reviews and publicity the better.

I noticed one news website recently gave it a good review after it popped up on the google news feed
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/05/17/where-lyme-disease-came-from-and-why-it-eludes-treatment/

The author David Swanson said she didn't touch more on plum island and the history, but still said the book goes great into depth otherwise.

I found this rather interesting

quote:
Originally posted by David Swanson:


Newby assumes throughout the book that there has to have been a particular major incident near Long Island Sound, either an accident or an experiment on the public or an attack by a foreign nation. Burgdorfer reportedly claimed to another researcher that Russia stole U.S. bioweapons. Based on that and nothing else, Newby speculates that perhaps Russia attacked the United States with diseased ticks, coincidentally right in the location where the U.S. government experimented with diseased ticks.

Whether it was just an accidental release or this was done by Russia, it amazes me how the US Government just looks at all of us as collateral damage. Real sad...

quote:
Originally posted by Kris Newby:


The government needs to declassify the details of these open-air bioweapons tests so that we can begin to repair the damage these pathogens are inflicting on human and animals in the ecosystem.


As Newby writes, yes, our government needs to begin to repair the damage done by these pathogens, this includes the proper medical for all of us.

Newby also talked about on Coast to Coast AM how our wonderful government even experimented and injected ticks with radiation. The thought was the ticks would then pass on the radiation to the human target, then kill them.

I noticed quite a few videos popping up on YouTube recently all centered around the biowarfare side of lyme after this book has come out.

Also just recently Joe Rogan had author Annie Jacobsen on his podcast talking about project paperclip and the nazi scientists that were brought over to America after WW2. Such a dark dark history!
https://youtu.be/3MZr5J5DOfk

When Newby was on Coast to Coast AM she mentioned Annie Jacobsen and her coverage of project paperclip, if Newby is looking to get a lot of publicity the place to go would be Joe Rogan's podcast, considering Joe has brought up Lyme numerous times on his show as well as mentioning he has 10 friends with Lyme Disease.

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I found this rather interesting

quote:
Originally posted by David Swanson:


Newby assumes throughout the book that there has to have been a particular major incident near Long Island Sound, either an accident or an experiment on the public or an attack by a foreign nation. Burgdorfer reportedly claimed to another researcher that Russia stole U.S. bioweapons. Based on that and nothing else, Newby speculates that perhaps Russia attacked the United States with diseased ticks, coincidentally right in the location where the U.S. government experimented with diseased ticks.

Whether it was just an accidental release or this was done by Russia, it amazes me how the US Government just looks at all of us as collateral damage. Real sad...

quote:
Originally posted by Kris Newby:


The government needs to declassify the details of these open-air bioweapons tests so that we can begin to repair the damage these pathogens are inflicting on human and animals in the ecosystem.


My Comments -- (since the formatting above isn't very clear):
I recall reading, probably in "Lyme Disease and the S.S. Elbrus" by Rachel Verdon, but it's been too long ago for me to remember whether it was this book or another one, that a really bad storm knocked out the electricity on Plum Island, causing failure of air locks in special Biohazard rooms which allowed airborne pathogens to escape into the hurricane winds and drift ashore into populated areas.

The reason for this failure was given that Congress had not appropriated enough money for back-up, fail-safe systems, and the Director at Plum Island made the decision to put their limited funds into research and to skimp on safety protections since there wasn't enough money to achieve both.

My BW books are all in *deep storage* (that is, not in my house) right now, so I cannot easily access them in order to refresh my memory of these details. Nevertheless, this simple explanation sounds much more logical to me than any other explanation assuming malicious intent which I've come across. so far

Motto: Never automatically assume malfeasance whenever ordinary human incompetence can explain a mystery of this nature.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dan455:
quote:
Originally posted by Dan455:

I mean if they win their case down in Texas, that could possibly mean we could all receive money. Even maybe allowing us to sue!


By the way, listen to what this video has to say when you get a chance...

https://youtu.be/40EWjpREeXY?t=956

quote:
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He wants his lawsut to open the doors who are suffering from lyme disease because of late detection for them to be able to sue the CDC, lawsuits against the government are hard to win but lee says he'll lyme sufferers all the data from his case to do it...


Remember Dr. Lee is suing the CDC for 57 million for suppressing early detection testing.

Dan, I think your getting two different lawsuits mixed up. The suit by Dr. Lee is different from the RICO suit down here in Texas.

The RICO lawsuit is NOT about the money -- although money is a necessary claim in being able to get a lawsuit accepted into civil court. However, the purpose of the RICO lawsuit is to put a STOP to the egregious denial of diagnosis and access to treatment by the outrageous past actions of the IDSA and by the individual defendants.

Remember the persons who wrote the now defunct and out-dated IDSA Guidelines were an *ad hoc* committee -- meaning that they nominated themselves to take on this task and then they succeeded in getting their handiwork rubber-stamped by the IDSA as a whole.

Keep in mind also that the IDSA Guidelines are no longer available on the National Clearing House website for Practice Guidelines because they have not been revised since 2006.

Please excuse any minor inaccuracies in what I'm posting here because I do not have access to all of my documents which are in *deep storage*, as I already explained in a previous post.

Otherwise, I usually pride myself in going to great trouble to double check what I post. I cannot do that right now though, nor do I expect to have a chance to do so anytime very soon.

It seems more important to me to post these general ideas now, as best that I can, while allowing for the possibility of a few minor inaccuracies, since there's not really anything that I can do about it easily at this time.

I will add one more interesting detail. I was personally acquainted with Plaintiff #2, the late David Kocurek. I'm told that he learned that a legal team in Houston had finally been found to accept this case when he was in the hospital in an apparent coma on his death bed -- and that, get this -- he squeezed the hand of the person beside him and tears appeared under his closed eyelids when he was told that all of their hard work had paid off and that the case would indeed be filed.

David passed away the very next day, I'm told. David was a leading member of our Texas LDA, and I'm so proud to have had the privilege of knowing him. I get goose bumps and tears in my eyes, just thinking about that poignant death bed scene.

I like to think that if David is watching over us from "the other side" that he will continue to be a tremendous force and help to us in unseen ways and that our side cannot lose this case, with David's continued help from beyond. David was and still is a force to be reckoned with, in my estimation.

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We went off topic briefly, but now it's time to come back to Kris Newby's new book "Bitten" about the Biological Warfare (BW) origins of Lyme disease.

I finally finished reading the book last night, after numerous interruptions since first starting it, and I bookmarked one sentence/paragraph in particular because it really grabbed my attention:

pg. 230 (next to last paragraph):
"With Lyme disease, there's no profit incentive for proactively treating someone with a few weeks of inexpensive off-patent antibiotics. It's the patentable vaccines and mandatory [diagnostic] tests before treatment that bring in the steady revenues year after year."

My Comment:
Bingo! That says it all, in a nut shell. We all already knew that, but it surprised me when Kris Newby interjected it into this book.

I don't know why that sentence//paragraph caught me so much by surprise, but it did. Most of her writing had been strictly objective journalism, without editorial comments.

Maybe that's why I was so surprised to read this statement in her book. It's as if she simply couldn't restrain herself from this one expression of personal sentiment and frustration regarding the habitual obstructionism by our IDSA adversaries.

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Just got Bitten book from library.

I now know why author Kris Newby was concerned about how Lyme patients would view Willy's involvement in the bio-weaponry of ticks.

I'm only on page 53 and am throughly DISGUSTED !

Here we are worshipping this man who discovered the bateria that causes Lyme, hence Borrelia Burgdorferi his namesake, and the whole time, he was responsible for our sufferering.

The evils of man are infinite.

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Now that's a bold move, I thought I'd never see the day, lol

"Lyme disease a bioweapon gone awry? Rep. Chris Smith pushes Trump to investigate"
https://www.app.com/story/news/local/communitychange/2019/05/30/lyme-disease-bitten-chris-smith/1212255001/

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He wrote a letter to that extent to President Trump and three inspectors general — of the departments of Defense, Homeland Security and Agriculture — requesting a “serious and comprehensive investigation” into the book’s assertions.

Boy will this get patients and people riled up, that's if more of the media covers it and more people are aware...
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quote:
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Just got Bitten book from library.

I now know why author Kris Newby was concerned about how Lyme patients would view Willy's involvement in the bio-weaponry of ticks.

I'm only on page 53 and am throughly DISGUSTED !

Here we are worshipping this man who discovered the bateria that causes Lyme, hence Borrelia Burgdorferi his namesake, and the whole time, he was responsible for our sufferering.

The evils of man are infinite.

I haven't read the book yet, just going by what you're saying here. If he was responsible for continuing the suffering, I'm thinking, who else could we name it for? Actually, who else would want their name associated with it?!
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Page 131

"One of Willy's folders was stuffed with faded carbon copies of letters documenting his bio-weapons work infecting fleas, mosquitoes, and ticks with lethal agents. There were reports on his plague-laden flea experiments and his detailed efforts to infect mosquitoes with lethal doses of the "Trinidad Agent", a deadly strain of yellow fever virus extracted from the liver of a deceased person."

"Also found were deposit slips from 2 different Swiss bank accounts."

Page 223

"And finally, was there a darker secret Willy felt guilty about?
There was his claim that he'd twice been questioned by the Feds about missing biological agents. He had mentioned these visits to me, Lois, Tim Grey, and Ron Lindorf.

"Could the outbreak on Long Island be associated with a biological release by a foreign entity? As improbable as it might seem, Willy would've been a prime target for Soviet recruiters. He had easy access to biological agents, he could travel frequently to Europe without raising suspicions, he spoke 3 languages, and he had money pressure that could have been leveraged by foreign powers."

"Also, he had a large amount of money hidden in a bank account about which 3 heirs knew nothing about."

"Willy expressed criticism of the US biological weapons experiments he participated in, and perhaps at some point, he felt that sharing information on the US program with our enemies was justified as a way to level the playing field,"

DESPICABLE

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Do you know why Lyme is so hard to detect ?

Willy does.

Pages 90, 100, 116, and 199.

"The perfect incapacitating agent was one that made a large population ill for weeks or months. The illness would be hard to diagnosis and treat, and the target population wouldn't even be aware they'd been dosed with a bio weapon. This would make it easier for invading, vaccinated soldiers to take over cities without much of a fight or the destruction of property."

"Willy's scientific studies from 1952 and 1956 reveal the intentional infecting of ticks with 4 different pathogens, 2 being spirochetal and 2 being viral. The virus lowers the surface antigen of the bacteria."

"Antigens are the 'bad guys' to an immune system and antibodies are essentially the beat cops on the lookout for them. When antibodies bump into an invading germ's surface antigen, they bind to it, placing a 'Most Wanted' poster on it. They also send out a biochemical all-points bulletin to other parts of the body, with instructions to destroy the germ."

"The virus lowers the antigen so you can't test for it."

"If the organism stays within the system, you won't even recognize what it is. In your lifespan, it can explode....We evaluated it. You never deal with that as a scientist. You can sleep better."

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So, I'm going to ask the naming question again - name it for the guy who was involved in creating it?

Name it further? How about Bbb - borrelia burgdorferi's bioweapon? Borrelia byebye burgdorferi? The latter one is kinda catchy.

Just dreaming up ideas - Bb-hdy: Borrelia burgdorferi how-dare-you?!

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Call it what it is.

BWBb
Bio-Weaponized Borrelia Burgdofer

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If you've read the entire book, as I have, you would recognized that Willy B. was duped into doing BW research when he first started on it.

It dawned on Willy B. gradually that that's what it was, but by then he had a wife and two young children to support and he needed a secure job in order to do so. Besides, they both loved Hamilton, MT -- "God's Country" as he called it because it reminded him of his native Switzerland. His wife was a native of Hamilton and didn't want to leave her family and her hometown.

In the end of the book, the author (Kris Newby) plants clues about the fact that Willy B. probably got even with his covert employer (the DOD) by giving away (or selling) secrets to the Russians.

I've known for over two decades that Lyme disease was the result of BW research after I found a copy of the 1969-70 Congressional Budget Hearings for the DOD where it talks about lethal agents and incapacitating agents and about insect-vectored means of dispersing them. That document was an eye-opener.

Thus, it's not too surprising that there has been a cover-up about it and a denial of diagnosis to victims of Lyme disease because TPTB (the Powers That Be) recognized early on that it would break our national health care budget as well as that of the insurance companies to acknowledge a disease for which there was no then known cure.

After all, AIDS appeared on the scene at about the same time that Lyme disease was starting to appear nation-wide, transmitted by infected mites which were delivered along the flight paths of migrating birds. This explanation is discussed in the book "Lyme Disease and the S.S. Elbrus" by Rachel Verdon, available on Amazon:
https://www.amazon.com/Lyme-Disease-Elbrus-Rachel-Verdon/dp/1470178397/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=Lyme+Disease+and+the+SS+Elbrus&qid=1560097828&s=books&sr=1-1

At any rate, AIDS got all of the money because AIDS patients were dying and their illness could not be denied. That's when the PWTB invented the fake diagnosis of CFS (Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) in an attempt to "paint the patients with invisible ink."

The ploy succeeded for nearly 4 decades -- 5 decades actually -- until the truth has finally come out at last, thanks to Willy B's admission during the last year of his life that he had been heavily involved in BW research for most of his career because he didn't want to take that secret to his grave with him.

Willy B. managed to see that all of his lab notes and other records and documents were preserved and archived in a state library in UT. This was his revenge against those in government who had duped him into this line of work, once he finally realized how devastating this illness can be.

Willy B. himself contracted Lyme disease from the urine of a lab animal which splashed into his eye. Consequently, he eventually developed Parkinson's disease later in life. It is my personal belief that he never got as sick as so many other victims of Lyme disease are because he most likely didn't contract any of the other tick-borne co-infections (Babesia, Bartonella, mycoplasma, viruses, etc.).

That 's why so many ordinary Lyme patients today have so many complicated symptoms because they are dealing with these other tick-borne co-infections, in conjunction with Bb, which suppresses their immune system, making their cases much more complex to diagnose and also to treat effectively.

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I feel very grateful indeed to Willy B. because he wanted the truth to come to light before he died about the origins of Lyme disease, including his role in it.

I'm optimistic that this book has come out now, at almost the same time as the class action RICO (racketeering) lawsuit against the IDSA by victims of Lyme disease, which is due to start very soon (this next week, I think) in Texarkana, TX. One of the lead Plaintiffs (now deceased) in that lawsuit was a leading member of our Texas Lyme Disease Assn.

The synchronicity of these two simultaneous events couldn't be better, IMO, for exposing the multi-faceted Truths about the origin and about the orchestrated cover-up of Lyme disease.

A third major synchronicity is the publication by Ying Zhang of his research on antibiotic treatment of the persister forms of Bb.

What more can we wish for. The synchronicity of these three events creates a bomb shell effect which cannot be ignored nor swept under the rug any longer.

Hopefully, the two-tiered diagnostic test criteria will be called into question as a result of all the synchronicity of these three major events.

Surely, the reality of chronic, late-stage Lyme disease can no longer be ignored.

Or am I being naive? .... or overly optimistic?

I refuse to believe otherwise.

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In the end of the book, the author (Kris Newby) plants clues about the fact that Willy B. probably got even with his covert employer (the DOD) by giving away (or selling) secrets to the Russians.

I forgot to clarify what I meant by this statement, which could easily be misinterpreted.

What I intended to convey is that I believe that the author was suggesting that Burgdorfer sold secrets (or perhaps the two "missing" samples) from his collection (which he blamed upon "theft" by the Russians) as a way of "getting even" with the US DOD for duping him into becoming involved with BW research.

Remember, Willy B. was originally a native of Switzerland which is noted for its neutrality. Just because he assumed American citizenship when he married an American wife, he would have felt more like a "citizen of the world" rather than feeling deep loyalty to the US.

His US citizenship benefitted him in his quest for permanent employment here which he desired because both he and his wife loved Hamilton, MT -- "God's Country" as he always referred to it because its surroundings reminded him of his native Swiss Alps.

We have many very close international friends of European origin who have become American citizens but whose loyalties to their own native countries are still very dear to them. Thus, I sense that Burgdorfer didn't have any qualms about such actions, assuming that this is the explanation for the disappearance of those two samples from his collection.

If so, then this would explain the very large deposits of money into a Swiss bank account in his name which his family inherited from him after his death. He had told no one about it while he was still living, but it was his way of providing for his family's security.

This is my interpretation, and based on Kris Newby's explanation of this event in her book, I can't help but think that she also probably holds a similar view. Her writing was deliberately vague and subtle about this event, IMO.

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Thank you to those who posted so much info from the book. I am too depressed already to read the whole thing, like I did with the Lab 257 book when it came out.

This thread helped me to get some of the basic info w/o having to sink myself in another bottomless pit of human corruption. I do not think anything will be done, but I hope I am wrong.

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Thank you so much for sharing those very interesting passages on LymeNet.org TX Lyme Mom!

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I do not think anything will be done, but I hope I am wrong.

I agree, there probably won't be...

But I'll say this, we must not ignore the truth and acknowledge this part in history so we don't repeat itself...

All we can really hope for is a cure like disulfiram to surface and the medical establishment to finally acknowledge chronic lyme as an active infection, rather than the propaganda that was put out to dismiss this disease as psychosomatic and autoimmune.

And considering the lawsuits going on with Glyphosate, just a whole different beast all together... I suspect the government will be helping with the coverup of that as well.

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After reviewing my old BW files, I found a copy of a very old CDC homepage on CFS, and guess what -- are you sitting down? I hope so because it clearly states:
Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases
National Center for Infectious Diseases
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, GA, USA

The URL for this webpage was: www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/cfs/cfshome.htm

Look very closely at the URL. What do you think NCI stands for?
What do you think DOD stands for?

The date on this document was 9/17/98.

In other words, CFS (Chronic fatigue Syndrome) was nothing but just a cover-up for a man-made disease which was considered at that time to be incurable.

"Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases" is another give-away, too!

Eventually, they moved CFS into another division at the NIH after they realized that the public had caught onto the significance of its URL.

I've saved this document in my files for over 20 years because of its historical significance.

I also have a copy of the Congressional Budget Hearings for the DOD for 1970 (held in June, 1969) when Dr. Donald MacArthur was a key witness. This document is a record of their discussions about BW agents, including aerosols and also insect-vectored diseases, some of which were lethal and others which were incapacitating. (pgs. 120-121)

Very incriminating, methinks!

It's not in electronic format for easy transmission because of its very early date which pre-dates electronic records.
I obtained it from the micro-fiche area of the documents division at the TAMU library.

I've heard that this same document exists in other major university libraries also, but one would probably need the assistance of a documents librarian in order to find it, as well as other similar historical documents probably, too.

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Although, remember, TX Lyme Mom, when CFS first appeared as a clinical diagnosis - around the same time as Lyme and AIDS - the working theory was either EBV or another HHV virus was at play, so it arguably would have fallen under the same HHS division.
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Although, remember, TX Lyme Mom, when CFS first appeared as a clinical diagnosis - around the same time as Lyme and AIDS - the working theory was either EBV or another HHV virus was at play, so it arguably would have fallen under the same HHS division.

Yes, I do recall that, but I always assumed that the putative "virus" was simply something that would have shown up anyway because of the immuno-suppression caused by Bb.

It was a clever ruse, IMO, but it never really fooled anyone very much -- although at the time, mycoplasmas were in vogue, thanks to the educational efforts of Dr. Garth Nicolson who was familiar with the clandestine BW research at UTMB in Houston.

This was during the time when UTMB was supervising aerosolized mycoplasma experiments on prisoners at our state prison located in Huntsville, TX -- 50 miles from where I live.

I was a good friend of one of the prison guards who knew all about what had happened over there, and his wife and I searched for whatever documents had not already been destroyed. We were able to find earlier documents, but later documents had been destroyed in an "accidental" overnight fire in the prison headquarters.

I was able to find evidence of some of these earlier experiments in the TAMU medical library which contained acknowledgements of the DOD for help in aerosolizing some of the earliest experiments, back in the late 1970s and mid-1980s before these records were "lost".

According to Willy Burgdorfer's book "Bitten" though, aerosols were decided to be less effective than insect-vectored agents, so that line of BW research was eventually discontinued, in favor of insect-vectored agents instead.

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I lived in the Marshall Islands when one of the aerosolizing experiments that Newby alluded to took place back in the late 60's. We were so sick. We were told we were just a beachhead for the Asian flu. Maybe, but who can say now?
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I think Newby thinks it's a chimera, maybe some cross between the Swiss Agent and Bb? I might have that wrong. She kind of stays careful not to commit here, if I recall correctly.
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Have you tested negative for Lyme disease?

Willy also tested negative.

One day when Willy didn't have a Lab assistant, he had to clean the cages of infected rabbits cages. Urine splashed into his eyes. He knew immediately he was in danger. He developed 5 oblong rashes in his armpit and torso areas. Pictures are included in the book.

He started himself on antibiotics and placed a call to Dr Allen Steere and inquired about other treatment options.
He tested negative numerous times and his colleagues dismissed his diagnosis of Lyme disease. He deducted his negative test results were due to his antibiotic treatments. I tend to believe he knew better. The viruses he added to his lethal mix of spirochetes, lower the outer surface protein of the bacteria, rendering your immune system too blind to wage a battle with antibodies.

While he asserted he suffererd no further symptoms after the accident, he retired within 3 years at the age of 62. He continued to do consultation work until he died.

Willy lived to the age of 89.

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Another popular news organization Gizmodo, has just followed up with the Christopher Smith article and the book Bitten.

"Pentagon Ordered to Tell Congress If It Weaponized Ticks And Released Them Into the Public"
https://gizmodo.com/pentagon-ordered-to-tell-congress-if-it-weaponized-tick-1836391549

Would love to see how the military industrial complex responds to this... Maybe they'll send Shapiro to debunk the whole history of project paperclip! [Roll Eyes] https://youtu.be/3MZr5J5DOfk

Starting to gain some momentum!

Joe Rogan needs to get Kris Newby on his podcast, maybe even have Annie Jacobsen on there too.

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Also just on CBS News

"House passes amendment ordering Pentagon to review whether U.S. experimented with weaponizing ticks"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-passes-amendment-ordering-pentagon-to-investigate-whether-ticks-were-weaponized/

As well as 2 hours ago on CNN, my guess is this is going to hit TV World News soon, so I'd keep an eye out.

"House of Representatives orders Pentagon to investigate whether ticks were once used as biological weapons"
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/17/politics/lyme-disease-amendment-investigation/index.html

Quite weird how this is all of a sudden taken seriously... Can't be just because of the book, there's been another book and even the documentary released previously, Under the Eightball and Lab 257, something has to be going on behind the scenes to getting this pushed.

I just hope we're not in some kind of a biological cold war with other countries like Russia and Iran, considering what Newby said in the book Bitten.

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Newby assumes throughout the book that there has to have been a particular major incident near Long Island Sound, either an accident or an experiment on the public or an attack by a foreign nation. Burgdorfer reportedly claimed to another researcher that Russia stole U.S. bioweapons. Based on that and nothing else, Newby speculates that perhaps Russia attacked the United States with diseased ticks, coincidentally right in the location where the U.S. government experimented with diseased ticks.


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The Pentagon will never admit anything. Other researchers and reporters have raised this issue before with very damning evidence and the response is always the same..."we never did anything like that". End of story.
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That's not to say that I don't believe that Lyme is a biological weapon. I am 100% convinced that it is, and anyone who thinks different is woefully naive.
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I think Rep. Chris Smith deserves applause here. He has been our advocate in the House for many years.

I, too, doubt it will get anywhere in a Pentagon investigation ordered by the House.. They will have to take it more seriously, though.

I think it is good to be talking about it, just now.

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quote:
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I, too, doubt it will get anywhere in a Pentagon investigation ordered by the House.. They will have to take it more seriously, though.
I think it is good to be talking about it, just now.

I doubt very seriously whether the Pentagon folks will have any clue about where to start looking in order to find out because it was all too "compartmentalized" -- on a "need to know basis" -- and most likely with many records no longer in existence or long-since forgotten and lost.

I'm old enough to remember the end of World War II (just barely) and how scary the world was back then, so I'm a little bit more willing to excuse the decision makers in those early days, especially after they discovered what atrocities the Japanese and the Germans had been up to. For example, see this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Unit-731-Testimony-Wartime-Experimentation/dp/0804835659/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3BQ44OGNKFQJ2&keywords=unit+731&qid=1563405698&s=books&sprefix=Unit+%2Caps%2C150&sr= 1-1

It's easy for us to sit in judgement now, with the advantage of 20/20 hindsight and with much more information at our disposal now, thanks to the internet and to records in digital format.

But none of these tools were available to librarians even just a couple of decades ago. So we must all remember not to be too harsh in our criticisms if the DOD officials are unable to come up with these lost (perhaps deliberately hidden) records.

I'm planning to share some old documents and records with my Cong. Rep., in person if possible, while he is back home here in our district during the summer recess. He'll know whom to funnel these materials to, I hope.

Let's not be too hasty in hollering "cover up" against current DOD officials if they can't find evidence of everything. We need to offer our help by sharing whatever documents we know about and then trust that they will do their best to seek Truth objectively.

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It doesn't look like the Pentagon story has much traction to it beyond a few initial stories.

Here is a pretty disgusting article calling it an easily discredited conspiracy story.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/weaponized-ticks-lyme-disease-investigation

That pos Wormser is quoted in the article telling his usual lies. I swear if I had the ability to get that *** hole in a room and cover him with ticks until he had a hundred bulls eye rashes on him I would do it.

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quote:
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It doesn't look like the Pentagon story has much traction to it beyond a few initial stories.

Here is a pretty disgusting article calling it an easily discredited conspiracy story.

Yeah there's some articles trying to debunk it, but there are also some other good articles from pretty major news networks considering it to be real.

Someone on HealingWell.com just said Trish Reagan on Fox Business news did a piece on it, considering her reaction it must of been good.
https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4139532&g=4139577

Here's two clips from Russian Today, you know the russian news where American reporters like Ben Swann have to go after getting kicked off of mainstream media for reporting about the link between autism and vaccines. Poor Ben and the others like Jesse Ventura, who end up on this foreign news syndicate because they were basically banned from American Television for reporting on the truth.

Ben Swann on Fort Detrick - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnekjy1b0s0
The Resident w/ Lori Harfenist - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq_769qwqfg

I think Kris Newby and Andy Abrahams are gaining traction with this latest publicity and even though the Pentagon is probably going to flat out lie, I think it's opened up a lot of Americans minds.

Probably the most publicity Lyme has ever gotten at the world news level and it being the biowarfare side I would never suspected this would ever happen. So I'm pretty happy and optimistic!

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That pos Wormser is quoted in the article telling his usual lies. I swear if I had the ability to get that *** hole in a room and cover him with ticks until he had a hundred bulls eye rashes on him I would do it.

You can only expect Wormser and others like Shaprio to do some sort of damage control, that's there job, I suspect it always has been from day one.

I think this may bring up other questions as well, like why the CDC is being sued by 12 lyme patients in Texas as well as Dr. Lee for suppressing his new lyme diagnostic test...

You read the comments of these videos starting to pop up on YouTube, you've got a lot of pissed of civilians.

Ron maize - "Giant lawsuit?"

Jovanny Garcia - "Am I hearing this right? Why haven’t we sued the government!?"

Another Virtual Identity of Someone Who Isn't Me - "They did it. Won't admit it. The end."

Ranticore - "The pentagon admitting to something? HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Now, that is hilarious."

acrodriguez34 - "Anymore evidence required to show that the US government is a crime syndicate???"

stephney smith - "I was born & raised in CT. 27 years I had enough . Moved to Nebraska. Lived there 10 yrs, I got Lyme disease. Bulls eye on leg, fever so high I was ready to die. Spinal tap. Antibiotics didn't work. Delirium. Horrible disease"

N Esq - "Military testing on American citizens is 100% legal and the law! This is fact!"

Nick Kraitor - "Pentagon : yes we released it, we are a bunch of psychopaths. Reality : We don't admit to anything, whatever we have done, this is just another conspiracy spread by crazies."

Grega - "CDC is currently being sued by doctors and patients. wish them best of success."

If I were Wormser, Steere, and Shapiro. I'd be shaking in my boots right about now...

Especially considering having a bit of a rogue president in the office right now who talks about the corruption at the deep state level as well as fake news.

I have my doubts he'll do anything, but ya never know...

I suspect the Romney family knows quite a bit what's going on, considering Romney's wife has MS and probably had Lyme Disease originallty, considering Romeny's cousin is behind that company Curza that's making a drug to eradicate biofilms.

I remember when Romeny was putting out flyers in Lyme Disease endemic areas saying vote for him and he'll get your the aggressive treatment need(IV Antibiotic), protect lyme doctors for longterm antibiotic treatment.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/mitt-romney-versus-lyme-disease-and-science

Believe me, there's so many in government that are aware of what's going on, it's about time something like this happens. I just hope it keep it's momentum going.

lol. Joe Rogan had Bob Lazar on his podcast, now people want to storm Area 51. He also had on Annie Jacobsen to talk about the project paperclip scientists, I hope he has on Kris Newby shortly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MZr5J5DOfk

And by the way, if you haven't caught that radio episode on Coast to Coat AM with Kris Newby back in May, it was posted on their YouTube channel in June last month, great episode on C2CAM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD7wBYcXizM&t=12m34s

Anyone speak French? lol Again, I think this is the most publicity Lyme Disease has ever gotten in the world media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4hX5Roa3VQ

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Ok I found a link to Fox Business video, posted by another youtuber, so hopefully the video doesn't get taken down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6dyuRQHQnc

Fox and the Doctor that was on, Dr. Marc Siegel from NYU Langone Medical Center, said Representative Chris Smith is doing great work on lyme research and the biowarfare side wasn't far fetched and he mentioned how Willy Burgdorfer worked for the department of defense for bioweapons to bioweaponize insects, including ticks.

So HealingWell.com member Donjr was right, a lot of positive things to say by Dr. Marc Siegel, it's actually very shocking how truthful he is.

If that video gets taken down, here's a direct source on Fox Business News website
https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6061264420001/#sp=show-clips

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The Washington Post article on Rep. Smith's amendment was challenged by the author of "Bitten" the scientist and writer Kris Newby in a rebuttal published in the Post.
(You can read it on Lymedisease.org)

Here is an excerpt. I split it up for easier reading.

"I felt an infinite sadness when I read Morgan Krakow's coverage of this story, which got many facts wrong

and relied on an expert who hadn't read the evidence in my book, or worse yet, ignored them for political reasons.

The cited expert, Michael Osterholm, may have personally known the discoverer of the Lyme bacterium, Willy Burgdorfer, but this didn't mean that he knew what was inside of his heart.

Over five years, I have an unearthed an extensive array of documents that prove his role in the bioweapons program,

and I have a videotaped interview of Willy where he told me about some of his bug-borne biowarfare experiments.

Evidence leads us to conclude that the epidemic of sickness during the late 1960s was not caused by the Lyme bacterium,

but another genetically engineered organism that no one is looking for.
Towards the end of his life, he felt remorse about this dark pursuit,

and it was obvious that he wanted to set the record straight before his death.

His admissions aren't something that we want to believe, but now that the truth is out,

we, as compassionate human beings, must put our Cold War past behind us and strive to stop the suffering."

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quote:
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The Washington Post article on Rep. Smith's amendment was challenged by the author of "Bitten" the scientist and writer Kris Newby in a rebuttal published in the Post.
(You can read it on Lymedisease.org)

I think that there's always going to be the human beings that have preconceived notions and bias towards subjects like these because they both scare the hell out of you and many people are so hopped on these desensitized drugs these days, whether it's Xanax, beta blockers, or whatever. I mean the truth is, most people like living in their bubble, when that bubble gets popped, first thing they try to do is debunk any type of conspiracy to make themselves feel better.

I've seen in with these vaccines, glyhposate, GMOS, 5g... Whatever! People are always quick to pass judgement before looking at the evidence and scientific studies. It is what it is, this is how a lot of humans are.

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[/QUOTE]I think that there's always going to be the human beings that have preconceived notions and bias towards subjects like these because they both scare the hell out of you and many people are so hopped on these desensitized drugs these days, whether it's Xanax, beta blockers, or whatever. I mean the truth is, most people like living in their bubble, when that bubble gets popped, first thing they try to do is debunk any type of conspiracy to make themselves feel better.

I've seen in with these vaccines, glyhposate, GMOS, 5g... Whatever! People are always quick to pass judgement before looking at the evidence and scientific studies. It is what it is, this is how a lot of humans are.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. I have been sick since getting bit in Nov. 2002, and no amount of information I have given my family members has even remotely meant anything to them.

They do not believe chronic lyme is a real condition and that everything I have gone through is just psychological problems. Why? They asked their family doctors here in Florida and they told them Lyme doesn't exist in Florida and there is no such thing as chronic lyme.

I have periodically over the years talked with them about the bio-warfare angle, and all they do is roll their eyes and say "it's just not possible our government would do something like that. Not possible". No amount of evidence means anything to them.

You said it perfect with your living in a bubble comment. They just can't handle anything outside of that.

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You do not have to believe ILADS, Global Lyme Alliance, Lyme Disease Association, Lyme support groups, LLMD'S, Healing Well Lyme, Lyme Litterate researches on the front lines, hero Lyme sufferers from all walks of life, and the countless Advocasy and Foundations worldwide. (Apologies to those I forgot.)

BELIEVE YOUR EYES!!!!

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Mid 1950's
Willy infecting ticks with pathogens;

https://ibb.co/7v4jx16

There is only one reason he performed these experiments.
TO KILL.

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Just the publicity as a result of the House action has people talking, which I am very pleased about - people are finally starting to put 2 and 2 together.

I suggest not letting doctors get away with anything anymore - go ahead and bring up the biowarfare topic and call it what it is.

Besides "Bitten," "Lab 257" is a good read on the topic - discusses various kinds of experimentation at Plum Island.

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