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daystar1952
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There is some interesting information at the link below. It concerns the dangers of socialized medicine and the possible danger of the new State Child Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Notice the word embedded in that Abbreviation. Go here if you want more to think about http://lymesentinel.blogspot.com/search/label/Politics%20of%20Disease
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Just trying to understand....

Are you implying that if we give health coverage to "ALL" children, that they "The Government and The Corporations" will be implanting chips in our children?????

I am just trying to understand what you are implying. Please correct me if I am wrong.

In regards to Childrens health care... I can't believe in this day and age that we live in one of the wealthiest nations on the planet and yet parents have to make choices between eating dinner or taking their ill children to a doctor. IMHO I believe all children should be able to have health care.

Regardless of the above argument regarding the word "CHIP" being embedded or not, thousands of children currently are not receiving health care and that's what I am most concerned about. I don't consider it Socialist to make sure all children have health care coverage. In fact, quite the contrary.

For a nation as wealthy as ours to not make sure innocent children are cared for is an outrage and deplorble.

Of course it would be "quite" a conspiracy if the plan was to embed chips in children. Now, that would be very scary.

Don't mean to be argumentative, but I am just trying to see where you are coming from.

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I agree with you....we should all be able to afford health care. The system needs to change....and I'm not sure how we can do that...besides letting the government be in charge of us. However, I'm sure there is always more than one way, if people put their heads together. Things really seem to have gone down hill when health insurance became a big thing and the drug companies have become so all powerful.

The more control we give to the govermnment, the more control they will gladly take. I don't trust the corporations/government nor do I believe they want to tenderly take care of us. Yes there are very good people that work for the government, who believe they are doing the right thing.....even if they aren't. Government, medicine and science are so compartimentalized that all the worker bees only know their own little role and mostly are not aware of what they may be taking part in...the bigger agenda.

The government is not some benign parent that loves us. An entity, such as a corporation does not have a conscience.

So, let's see, I guess my main concerns here are that the more government programs that are installed, the more enslaved we become, less freedom of choice. It would be even more of a monopoly. Doctors would be trained even more so by the government/drug companies.

IBM and Applied Digital Solutions (digital angel, verichip)are corporations which can also and perhaps already do buy their way into government. If you google verichip and go to their website...they're coming up with all different ways to market the implanted microchip. The media is involved also, scaring us with stories of missing children, wandering alzheimer patients....lost pets.etc.

They are even marketing the chip so that it will appear to be a cool and cutting edge thing to do...getting implanted. Some bars have already been set up so that you can get chipped and pay your alcohol bill with a swipe of your hand.

You also might want to look up transhumanism. There are actual groups who are VERY serious about transforming humans into....well....something else. In fact, Yale sponsored a transhumanism conference.

I have done some reasearch concerning the Elite/government/corporations and they have alot of fun with symbolism (words, numbers, initials, logos......etc).Many times they flaunt their semi secret agendas right in front of us....while they laugh at how stupid we are. I am very concerned that SCHIP may having chipping our children as one of their eventual motives. I know it sounds like science fiction but they have already done it with pets and now more and more people are getting microchipped. It's bizarre that people are really allowing this to happen.

The following link is an hour interview with Aaron Russo....a friend of Nick Rockefeller. It starts out a bit slowly but people really need to watch the whole thing to better understand our government...as a whole....and the plan to microchip the population
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918

I am not posting this to just frighten people. My purpose is to get people thinking. We can only be controlled when we are ignorant. This is why there is such a thing as propaganda. When we are deceived and lied to....and the population believes these lies...then and only then can we be manipulated.

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I am not saying that I want more government, however I don't see people lining up to take care of our nations children's health care. Talk is cheap if you know what I mean.

If we are not going to take care of our children, then it becomes the states(governments) responsibility to do so.

There are a lot of smart ppl out there, who like you said should put their heads together, but obviously they have not and the problem of children not being taken care of still exists.

Because of this situation, "We" have allowed the governemt to intervene by installing the SCHIP.

We as a nation have noone to blame but ourselves. If we had prioritized children, then we would not be in this prediciment. At some point it does become the governments responsibility to intervene.

I guess what I am saying is that I get infuriated when I hear people get upset about a growing government and yet "We The People" are not doing our part to insure that these programs do not become necesarry.

I so agree with you regarding big Pharma, Government, and major Corporations having too much power. This is very true, but that does not by any means excuse us as a people from allowing children to not be taken care of.

If we don't want more government, then we as a society need to take care of this issue or we will see more programs like the SCHIP.

If big pharma really cared about children or big corporations and big banks for that matter, then they would supply children with this basic care, but NO it's all about the bottom line and at some point that is where Capitalism becomes a bad thing.

Capitalism can be a great thing, so long as there is a balance. We have obviously not been able to find the balance, because we have become infiltrated with self greed and profits at all costs, even if it's the health of our citizens.

Don't get me wrong, I do see your point about becoming enslaved to the Government and the corporations, however we have allowed that to happen and unfortunately the middle is dwindling away, while the wealthy are getting wealthier and the poor are getting poorer.

I do believe instinctively these money mongers will keep taking and that is why society voted for change this time around. If you notice it's cyclical. I don't know if we can ever retain the power that the corporations have over us, but in the meantime I will not sit around and allow children to be disposed of like they are garbage.

I do hear what you are saying about implanting Chips into humans, animals etc...In fact when I bought my puppy, he came with an identificaton chip that had already been implanted into his upper shoulder area. I also had a valuable horse at one time that had one too. Not by my choice I might add.

I agree that this is a scary thought, but regardless we still can not excuse our behavior as a society and not allow children to have health care. If the wealthy will not help out, then this is what happens.

So, in this particular scenario, do you believe that these children who become insured will be "chipped" in the process???

I will watch the interview that you recommended.

I actually think that we agree on a lot, but am not willing to not support SCHIP because of the word CHIP is supposedly incripted in it.

I also agree with you in that we really do need to think. I believe that is a lot of the big problem. We don't think, we just live our daily lifes and don't have any clue what is going on around us. We accept that it's never our problem, that's until the problem is at our front door knocking. By the way, Ignorance is not bliss. So, we are in agreement on that as well.

PS not to by rude, but there are days when I wish I did have a chip on my 17 yr old son. Only kidding. LOL

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Yes we do seem to agree on alot and you are right it is all of our faults for ending up in the mess we are in. You are also right thatchildren need taking care of. But look at how they are "taking care" of them now. We have a growing number of children on antidepressants and ritalin. The vaccines are also under serious question.Mandatory Mental health screenings are also on the docket. I don't know what the answer is. For example......children need inhalers and other essential treatments. But we must also look at WHY they need these treatments. Is it because vaccines cause autoimmune conditions/allergies....etc? You see what I'm saying? We're asking the wolves to guard the henhouse.

Yes......I am concerned that chips will be implanted in the children at some point. I am not saying this is definitely the purpose of the SCHIP program but I think we need to keep an eye on it.

Maybe one answer could be to convince people not to donate to the big coporate charities who never find any cures...only treatments. Maybe we should have funds within each town for people who want to donate and then (there could still be problems along the way) the towns could form committees to help children get treatment. Maybe some of it would be natural treatment.

It just hit me....you don't see any large charity organizations collecting money to dole out to children who need it...for natural treatments. All the charity organizations are collecting money for research....which they end up spending any way they want.

I also think we need to somehow support private researchers whom we know are doing good work. It appears that it is not a good idea to ask for money from the NIH or other government agencies because they end up skewing the entry requirements and the study results

It's almost as if our system does need to crash so we can start over fresh. You're right about the cycles. I guess it takes things getting really bad before people will revolt. However, if we are microchipped , we won't be able to stand up for what is right. It's a difficult thing and I think we need to seek Divine guidance.
Thankyou for your intelligent response :-)

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Perhaps this could also be a solution

http://www.republicofnh.org/

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Hi there,

This is a healthy conversation!!! THX

I agree with you that they are shoving so many kids on meds for no reason at all. I do believe there are some that need these medicines, but agree that way too many are just put on anti-depressants, ritalin etc...for the quick fix.

I also like your idea about not giving money to companys that don't find cures. Perhaps if we stopped the outflux of money given to these companies that don't find cures, then they would reprioritize and find cures instead of only treatments.

It would be pretty darn funny to see how quickly they started finding cures. Ok, I really like this one a lot. Good job.

Yes, it is sad about the cycles. You would think that we would smarten up, but no we just don't use our brains and as you said we have to crash first. I agree about the devine guidance. Gosh, I just wish that there would be a devine intervention to take care of all these messes.

I think people need to give money to private research like you said. We definitely see eye to eye on this one. It seems like the more I learn about research, the more I have learned, that unfortunately so much of the money is coming from big pharm and huge corporations. It makes me sick.....

Lets pray they don't chip us in the meantime.

Thanks for the good conversation. I really enjoy when I can have a rational discussion and both parties try to see the other point of view. Thank you for seeing mine. :-)

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It's been nice talking to you too. You know.....I think that part of our problem is that we do want God or aliens (LOL) or a new president....etc to get us out of this mess we are in. But.....it's beginning to feel more and more to me like we have all helped create this mess (as you say)and now the mess we are in will be our learning experience and that we have to go to God for the solutions.

I think that may be the whole point we have to learn....that someone else can't "save' us but that this is an individual learning experience. Just like with a parent , I guess, if we intervened in all of our child's problems then they would never learn what they are supposed to learn

Perhaps we are making other Gods when we look to Obama and others with such ardent fervor. You know that saying in the Bible that says......"Seek Ye FIRST the kingdom of God.....and all the rest shall be added unto you.

I've experienced this in small ways... that when I make time each day to be still and ask God's presence and Love to fill me and then to flow out to others....things just go better. I am guided as to what I should and shouldn't do. I don't believe we as mortal humans can see the whole picture and that's why our human judgement is so fallible. It's like we are going down a river in a boat and cannot see what is around the corner but as an anology we could say that God is up above the river bank and can see what is ahead. All the twists and turns are visible from the "higher perspective"

I've found that one of the things I need to work on ...is consistently making time each day. Myself and others have seen the fruits of doing this. It's really cool and amazing to watch your life smoothly unfold before you....to become more harmonious. So....I think we need to expose the wrongs in the world, the best we can...but at the same time we need to express the love and forgiveness that comes from God. When we come from this different perspective, we will find that we don't hate or want revenge and this can also change the hearts of many who appear to be doing wrong. People can feel when something is coming from God...instead of from humans.....even if they can't verbalize it

Well...I don't want to go on and sound preachy but I just wanted to add some hope.

Joy to you all

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I think these are some wise words from Ron Paul

http://lymesentinel.blogspot.com/search/label/Politics%20of%20Disease

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If it weren't for "socialized medicine", I'd be dead. But it needs to be greatly improved!
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Obama's Picks Don't Change the Culture in Washington

February 13, 2009 by Phyllis Schlafly

President Barack Obama has indeed made history. His selections for his Cabinet and other top government offices make a mockery of his much publicized campaign promises to give us "the most sweeping ethics reform in history" and to "close the revolving door" to lobbyists.

Some historians confer the ignominious appellation of most corrupt on President U.S. Grant of the 1870s, some on President Warren G. Harding's Teapot Dome scandal of the 1920s, some even on President Bill Clinton. We'll leave it to historians to judge where Obama ranks after evaluating his appointments.

After South Dakota's voters defeated Tom Daschle for reelection in 2004, he pocketed some $5 million advising clients how to seek influence with the government while, at the same time, technically avoiding the label of lobbyist. Then, he failed to pay $146,000 in taxes on that handsome income.

Meanwhile, Daschle became what the Washington Post said was one of Obama's "closest and earliest political allies." So Obama selected Daschle to run the huge Department of Health and Human Services, where he would oversee the health-care companies that had been paying him so generously. Obama planned for HHS Secretary Daschle to play a dual role with an additional perch called the White House Office of Health Reform, where he would coordinate the federal takeover of the entire U.S. medical system.

Even after it became publicly known that Daschle had failed to pay all his income taxes, Obama defiantly declared that he was "absolutely" standing by Daschle. Obama urged Daschle to continue his campaign for confirmation by an obedient Democratic Senate majority.

It was not until Obama's biggest cheerleaders, the big-city newspapers...criticized this notorious lapse in ethics that Daschle withdrew.

Obama nevertheless did not promise to cut off dealings with Daschle, who can now go back to his lucrative job of representing the health-care industry. In exiting his attempt for Cabinet confirmation, Daschle said, "I remain one of its [health-system reform] most fervent supporters."

http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2009/feb09/09-02-13.html

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Hi Neil,

Just trying to understand how this is applicable to this thread.

This has what to do with SCHIP???

Do you believe all kids should have health care or not????

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