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MariaA
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The following are links to a few threads in which herbal medicine is discussed for Lyme and yeast- mostly those herbs from Stephen Buhner's protocol from his book Healing Lyme, along with a few other protocols relying primarily on herbal treatment.

Some guidelines:
-Let's keep this thread concise and only about herbs (some discussions cover more but are mostly about herbs)- Let's keep it from becoming too long to read.
-Please post only links and brief descriptions. -Please dont post advice or make this thread into a discussion. Let's keep it organized.
- Please don't post about other alternative treatments if they're not herbal (ie rife, lightworks, prayer, etc. Sorry.)


Please note: although these herbs can be purchased without a prescription, there can be side effects and you should do this under a doctor's direction. Some posters below indicate they have had serious side effects from some of the herbs. Do not take these herbs without AT LEAST reading Stephen Buhner's book. This thread does NOT give you enough information to self-treat safely!!!

Remember that some of the positive experiences on this forum are the same people posting over and over again. Not everyone has the same experiences with herbal treatment or herbal-and-antibiotic treatment. Some of the posters who report positive experiences are doing many other forms of treatment besides Buhner herbs alone.

The Buhner book contains a 30-page bibliography of studies which support his conclusions, and those references are a good start for more information that may help you evaluate whether to try this treatment.

Our testimonials on the Internet are not a substitute for a decent LLMD's advice and guidance.

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Links to Buhner's book and updates:

Stephen Buhner's book Healing Lyme:
http://tinyurl.com/y4wgbk (amazon.com link, includes good reviews)

Buhner's website with book updates/corrections:
http://www.gaianstudies.org/lyme-updates.htm

Buhner's advice column on Planet Thrive website:
http://planetthrive.com/cgi-bin/members/pub9990215891170.cgi?categoryid=9990235248536


member experiences
member experiences with Buhner protocol, sources of herbs, and mentions that Raintree cats' Claw uses gelatin capsules and why:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050113
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=048986
more member experiences:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050014
some 2008 member experiences talking about "herx" experience with some of the herbs:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=068786

Robi initially feeling better on herbs, then relapsing, and others talking about boneset, artimisin, and Buhner herbs:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=046141
another 'has anyone gotten better just with herbs alone?' discussion (there've been several of these threads here, by the way):
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051744
huge list of stuff MariaA takes, discussion of ulcer and herbal care for GI symtoms, 'overdoing it' and travel/work/stress:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051153
Another old thread with personal experiences - many people seeing good results, a couple not seeing any results after a few months- and some people reacting really badly to Buhner's appearance and finding out that Buhner does lectures on spirituality/indigenous cultures):
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=047595
a success story on herbal protocol:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052307


where to buy herbs, cost comparisons (see also 'encapsulating'):

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050713
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050113
The "mother of all" (i.e.- huge) cost comparison threads for herb sources:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=042136
WHere to buy red root and Smilax:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051543
includes discussion on getting the alcohol to evaporate out of tinctures if you need to avoid it



Side effects, discussion of drug interactions, what order to start, how to tolerate taking so many pills, encapsulating your own herbs

Thread about diarrhea, nausea, etc gastro-intestinal system side effects when you first start the herbs:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050945
drug-herb interactions (mostly not Buhner herbs except for Ambien/andrographis comment from BUhner's book):
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=046171
how to begin Buhner protocol, PICC line and surgery and possible interactions with some of the herbs:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=049263
problems mixing andrographis and artemisinin or artemisia annua tincture:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052271
sense of taste altered by herbs or by Lyme
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052476
Questions about taking Buhner herbs with food or without:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051543
encapsulating herbs and advice on getting all those pills down
encapsulating your own herbs:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050738
advice on how to take the many Buhner Protocol pills, gel versus veggie capsules , encapsulating your own, good experiences with the protocol
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052334

"natural" (and other) tick repellent:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=070238
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=068585

2009 thread on sources of alternatives to the proprietary Cowden Protocol herbs: http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/86427?

[ 10-03-2009, 12:39 AM: Message edited by: MariaA ]

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individual herbs in main protocol:

andrographis:
what brand of resveratrol
herxing on andrographis
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051853

cats' claw:
samento (cats' claw) taken before testing to improve chance of getting positive test:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051974
high doses cats' claw
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051988
lots of members saying good things about Cats' Claw
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051082
2008 thread on Cats' Claw:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=075708

resveratrol / japanese knotweed / polygonum cuspidatum:
phytoestrogens, resveratrol (from wine) and Japanese Knotweed:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052251


sarsaparilla / smilax galabra:
Odd reaction to Sarsaparilla:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051390#000000

Smilax and herxing?:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051729

"I think sarsaparilla doesn't agree w/me":
taking herbs/drugs in smaller doses than prescribed
nausea from sarsaparilla
sforsgen mentioning ART testing problems for some with sarsaparilla

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051955


siberian ginseng / eleuthero / eleutherococcus:
Siberian Ginseng (eleuthero) and adrenals:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051615

another discussion of members' experiences with eleuthero and possible side effects:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051655


artemisinin
artimisin/artimisia/artesunate
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050530

poster reporting heart issues on artemisin:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050316
artemisinin, where to buy:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052105
problems mixing andrographis and artemisinin or artemisia annua tincture:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052271
artemesinin- bad reaction, and Keebler discussing where the 'artemesinin is neurotoxic' rumor comes from: http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/78141#000003


zhang protocol
discussion of Dr Zhang's recommended herbs and a little discussion of Buhner protocol:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=048986
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051135
Dr. Zhang on Babesia:
http://www.geocities.com/playpub/TP-Zhang.htm
Buhner vs Zhang protocols, offtopic links to herbal asthma studies, discussion of how to take the herbs and whether capsules are best:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051658
can you make your own Zhang herbs: http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051848
2009 thread about coptis in Zhang protocol:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/81397

bee venom therapy
bee venom therapy (mentioned in Buhner's book, though not part of the core protocol):
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=045611
link to Brorson's grapefruit seed extract presentation
bee sting therapy- dramatic results and herxing
dosages for bee sting therapy
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=051864

2008 thread on bee venom and successes with venom cream, very informative:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=065842

Some sources of bee venom products and kits/charts for doing venom therapy with live bees: http://www.dancingbeeacres.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=009&DEPT=1056165156&BACK=A0001A1

[ 05-20-2009, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: MariaA ]

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maria, please copy your thread and paste it to TREEPATROL'S NEWBIE LINKS archives; will be great to have many links in ONE place; thanks. [Big Grin]


when treepatrol returns sometime, he will eventually bring his archives up to date with new additions; he's been sick off/on and his dad is really bad right now.

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candida/yeast/taking probiotics

oregano oil and a herx or a yeast die-off:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050518


yeast and sexual transmission, and some suggestions for controlling the yeast:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050613


thread discussing an OLD (2000) study on potency of various brands of probiotics:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=049257

more on probiotics:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050683

what is an anti-yeast (candida) diet:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052005

oral yeast thread:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052009

caprylic acid and more yeast information:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052435

lots of good information about resveratrol/knotweed, herxing on it
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052510


liver support:
milk thistle discussion:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050531


Coinfections (this topic is in many of the other threads too):

Stephen Buhner on herbs for Babesia:
http://snipurl.com/17ckk
Buhner's opinion on artemisinin, artemisia, and alternative herbs (in which he says he doesn't recommend artemisinin): http://snipurl.com/1ae1t
thread on 'natural' treatment for babesia (summer 2008):
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=067911
babesia and cryptolepsis and artemesinin/contains some titles of studies on cryptolepsis: (thread posted winter 2009) http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/77283?
ordering Bear Creek Herbs cryptolepsis, plus discussion of constituent alkaloids in cryptolepsis (March 2009): http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/78214?

more cryptolepsis:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/79035?


Compilation of posts by Selma, Scott Forsgen, and others about herbal babesia treatments:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=070349


garlic
liver safety animal study
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050113

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=049438
much info about garlic breath:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052459


2008 post about elevated liver enzymes while on Buhner Protocol:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=075527

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Thanks for putting together this very comprehensive list, Maria. Very helpful.

Tracy

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below is a single category for semi-related topics that were hard to separate:
Dr Klinghardt's treatment for Lyme, Detoxification (not just Klinghardt's ideas), Chlorella, metals/amalgams/mercury

thread about a 34-page paper by Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, MD PhD (Seattle), who incorporates Buhner's protocol (along with detoxification, treatment of coinfections and parasites, various naturapathic methods, salt/C, and many other treatment methods)
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050656

Gigi writing about detoxification with Cilantro (I think this is from Dr Klinghard's research):
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050040

long thread about antibiotics not working in a very long-term ABX case- people suggest/discuss various things that might be the problem or that may help. Generally not antibiotics focused thread. Discusses Rechtsregulat, hypercoagulation, root canals as a source of problems, more. Very conflicting advice in this thread:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=045476

Babesia and herbs (and more): compares Dr Klinghard and Buhner protocol, discusses salt/C, etc:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=048277

Old, mid-2005 thread that predates the Healing Lyme book- this one covers alternatives to antibiotics, which includes very detailed post from Gigi about the many therapies that she and her husband followed, from Dr Klinghofer's protocols (dr K has since then taken on a lot of suggestions form Buhner and other research that has come to light since that time):

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=034069#000015
Old lengthy posts from Gigi about garlic and other things in relation to metals detox and other detox:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=042044
chlorella:
lots of information about chlorella:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052431

even more information about chlorella:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=052486

chlorella and amalgams:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052541


cyst form

Thread speculating about borellia in the cyst form, and Buhner herbs:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050946

Stephen Buhner's column segment in which he addresses the question of cysts, but also outlines his treatment philosophy:
http://snipurl.com/17gv0


grapefruit seed extract:
grapefruit seed extract as cyst buster:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051668


herbs and antibiotics (note: many threads in other categories here discuss both as many of us used both)

member experience with Buhner and doxycycline:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051248


"doxy and nausea" thread- herbal, accupressure, and "seaband" remedies for nausea:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=070290


herxing and herx control:
long discussion of different people's experiences with herxing or not herxing on herbs, and whether their symptoms improved anyway. Some discussion of sarsaparilla and red root and other detoxfication protocols:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051998

[ 11. August 2008, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: MariaA ]

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Maria,

Thanks for collecting this info in one place. There are a few threads I can think of to add -- will dig these out of my files and post the links in the next week or so.

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Thanks so much for collecting these links!!

Very helpful to have them in one spot [Smile]

Blessings
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Thank you for taking the time to gather this info ! VERY HELPFUL!

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Thank you so much Maria! You have just saved many people hours of headaches and stress [Smile]
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miscellaneous herbs:


Cowden Protocol, cumanda, burbur:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=048370

2009 discussion of Cowden herb 'Enula', and using cheaper herb elecampane instead:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/88323?

reishi and other mushroom products (mentioned in some of Buhner's other books):
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050274
Discussion of anti-inflammatory herbs and astragalus:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051484#000000
astragalus
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052352


Some boneset threads (several forum members started it in January 2007:)

non-herbal discussion of pain management in which MariaA mentions boneset for pain:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051488#000028

Boneset and the liver:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051433


Lots of discussion of boneset for various things including chills:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051155


herxing on Buhner herbs, and lots of other information, including where to get herbs, which version of andrographis to get, members' experiences, boneset/nausea (MariaA), boneset/allergy to it (Hardynaka), :
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051314;p=1


huperzine A and devil's claw discussion
dosage for huperzine A
huperzine and sleep
studies from China regarding alzheimer's and huperzine

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=052003

thread about coptis and some Chinese herbs
jwf (john) dramatic success story
JimBob talking about bad experience mixing coptis and andrographis
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=044646

raising CD-57:
brief mention of cats' claw and other stuff that raises CD-57 (SForsgen):
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051297

[ 11-28-2009, 11:45 PM: Message edited by: MariaA ]

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supplements:
Alternative Measures- What Helps?

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=045674
metallic taste in mouth after taking ALA and NAC
coughing up blood after taking NAC
discussion and links about NAC killing c. pneumonia bacteria
cystine and diabetes warning
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=051954

[ 03. May 2007, 03:16 AM: Message edited by: MariaA ]

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How about the website www.Lyme_Aid_Buhner@yahoogroups.com --
it's a very busy discussion site on the Buhner protocol

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Bump for Those asking Questions About Herbs

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Maria,

thank you very much for the time and effort collating the links! [bow]

great job! [group hug]

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quote:
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How about the website www.Lyme_Aid_Buhner@yahoogroups.com --
it's a very busy discussion site on the Buhner protocol

YES, it has been super busy. MY mailbox has been FULL everyday except for one since I joined a few months ago.

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Keep up the good work, Maria.

People NEED to know there really are better ways to feel better.

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Bump For those asking questions

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Bump For those asking About Herbs

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Thanks. There is some fun reading in here... especially the part about Buhner's appearance. He seemed so cerebral in print!

Oh yeah, and reading these older posts makes me wish I had found this forum a year ago.

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[ 03. May 2007, 03:23 AM: Message edited by: MariaA ]

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I put these in Newbie Links.Under herbs Page 4.

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Thanks, tree!

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Please note I have not updated this thread in quite a while, and recommend that you also also use the 'search' function and search on different members' names for 'recent posts' to find more information about protocols the old threads talk about.

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What a wonderful source of information for us! Thank you.
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bumping this to the top again, please note that most of the threads I've archived are a year or more old at this point. Do search here for more recent information if something doesn't make sense.

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Thank you for updating us with some posts, but a request:

-please don't post advice in this thread, it'll become unreadably long. Please post links to other discussions or websites, and a short description of the link.

-please leave this thread for listing of HERBAL treatments only, not other alternative methods. I'm trying to keep this thread as a herb-specific resource.

Ie, please don't post links about antibiotics-only, provigil, lightworks, low-dose naltrexone, 880NM, Rife, prisms, pendulums, diflucan only, prayer, etc. I know some threads discuss all of the above.

I'm trying to keep this readable and on-topic. I'm not saying I have an opinion on the other modalities, just that they are not herbs and this isn't a thread for ALL alternative medicine stuff.

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Thank you very much, both for understanding, and for contributing content!

By the way, I can edit any of my previous posts. If you'd like me to put any of your links into another area of this thread, just PM me and tell me where to stick it.

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Couple of good threads recently (note that I have also edited in a few 2008 discussion links into previous posts in this thread):

Keebler talking about Cats' Claw (with links to abstracts of studies on the herb) and Bromelain for inflammation. Luvs2ride followed by talking about diet and rheumatoid arthritis, leaky gut syndrome, glutathione deficiency and detoxification from killing of LYme bacteria, and much info about herbal and doctors who used 'complementary and alternative' treatment to figure out what Luvs2ride's issues were:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=075609


abstract of an animal study about resveratrol reducing amyloid plaques in the brain:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=075624


where to get herbs for treating stomach ulcer:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/78945#000004


My 2009 thread on herbal and dietary help for urinary tract infections and kidney support:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/88461

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Pages 8 through 14 of this document.

Specifics on what to take and why.

Great whole document but to stay with your topic.. Only pages above pertain.


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Miscellaneous:

Keebler has compiled an excellent group of resources about 'natural sleep' and some of it is herbal: http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/89790

discussion of maca (a herb that's been heavily marketed in the last few years, which usually makes it hard to sort out the various claims), including lots of links:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/89495

Pulsing artemesinin to avoid building up detox enzymes that make it inactive:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/89912?

2010 thread on inflammation, curcumin or turmeric, with lots of references for further reading:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/90898

Some Keebler-compiled links about some possible herbs for headache:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/90500?#000006

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2010 threads
There are fewer people discussing Buhner Protocol on Lymenet now than there were 4 years ago when I started this thread. Certain new products have sprung up- usually expensive 'protocols' based on the Buhner system but with lower dosing. More users are now using cryptolepsis for babesia with much success at controlling symptoms.

Much of the Buhner discussion is over at the lyme_aid_buhner yahoogroup, and Buhner still writes his column on Planet Thrive and answers questions there. See the first post in this thread for links to both sites.

I think I can now keep up with the lower-volume of herbal discussion and will try to add more of them here.


user experiences:

Mazou has been posting about having some good success with Buhner core protocol and now with additional supplements:
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/91027

BLT ('bartonella-lyme tincture') formula (not sure where this is available, just through some practitioners apparently)

Discussion of some of the herbs in the 'BLT' formula that a few users are on (the herbal site below is very slow to load and sometimes has problems, please be patient or try later if it won't load):
http://herbalmedicine.tribe.net/thread/5a8852a7-3c10-4c22-916d-9e6748df8334

and another discussion of this formula, where someone figured out where the formula originally came from:
http://tribes.tribe.net/herbalwisdom/thread/3afc1e57-b796-4420-9d2a-17afb82ede77

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Maria,

You asked me a long time ago if I wanted to post here and I was not organized. Well, here's a sort of annotated bibliography and a few questions and comments that I post if someone new asks about supplements:

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Do you have a LLMD? Are you on a treatment protocol?

Are you gluten-free? A gluten-free diet will help tremendously and most LLMDs recommend this.

Not an herb, but the nutritional supplement, MAGNESIUM is the number one supplement for pain reduction. Fish oil, too.

For LIVER SUPPORT - the most common supplement is Milk Thistle but there are others. As the toxin from lyme, and also the chemicals from Rx can be hard on liver, supplements to support and protect the liver are essential.

Here's a composite I've made of many things to consider. Not all herbal formulas are on this, but most. It's not so easy as just taking this or that. Some herbs are for support; other are more for antimicrobial action. Herbs are nearly always in a combined formula. And your LLMD should be aware of everything you take as it could alter the effectiveness of the Rx plan.

If your LLMD is knowledge with supplements, great. Some are aware of the nutritional supplements such as vitamins and minerals (magnesium, etc.) and others also have knowledge in a few specific herbal supplements such as Milk Thistle.

You might want to consult a LL ND (naturopathic doctor) or other professional with training and licensing in this area. A good LLMD will have a working relationship and should be able to refer you to someone who will fit your needs in these complementary areas. And, be sure any LLND is truly LL and ILADS-educated, and works well with your LLMD.

A ND who is not LL (that is ILADS-educated) simply does not have the knowledge to be treating lyme/TBD (tick-borne disease) patients. They may be great at treating other patients, but lyme patients deserve doctors (of all types) to be thoroughly educated about all aspects of TBD (tick-borne disease).

Now, they may not go by the ILADS guidelines, but they should know the work of all the authors listed on this page - and that of Alan MacDonald, too, with his work on biofilms. And the work of Garth Nicolson with mycoplasma.

All this is to compare and contrast - and to be sure all the bases are covered. Rx protocols are included for background but most also incorporate supplements.

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* This explains WHY you need an ILADS LLMD or ILADS LL ND (naturopathic doctor) to guide your treatment protocol.

www.clinicaladvisor.com/Controversy-continues-to-fuel-the-Lyme-War/article/117160/

CONTROVERSY CONTINUES TO FUEL THE "LYME WAR" - 2007

" . . .To treat Lyme disease for a comparable number of life cycles, treatment would need to last 30 weeks. . . ."


"...If all cases were detected and treated in the early stages of Lyme disease, the debate over the diagnosis and treatment of late-stage disease would not be an issue, and devastating rheumatologic, neurologic, and cardiac complications could be avoided..."

. . . .

- Full article at link above.
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Links to treatment:

http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/treatment_guidelines.html

ILADS Treatment Guidelines

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http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf

Advanced Topics in Lyme Disease (Diagnostic Hints and Treatment Guidelines for Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses

Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines (2008) - 37 pages

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As important as any supplements, sections regarding self-care:

Go to page 27 for SUPPORTIVE THERAPY & the CERTAIN ABSOLUTE RULES

and also pages 31-32 for advice on a safe, non-aerobic exercise plan and physical rehabilitation.

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MAJOR REFERENCE LIST FOR SUPPLEMENTS:

This is included in Burrascano's Guidelines, but you may want to be able to refer to it separately, too:

http://www.lymepa.org/Nutritional_Supplements.pdf

** Nutritional Supplements in Disseminated Lyme Disease **

J.J. Burrascano, Jr., MD (2008) - Four pages

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http://www.lymeinducedautism.com/images/Lymewhat_is_it_part_3,_LIA.pdf


LYME DISEASE Considerations in Diagnosis and Management

June 26, 2008 Lyme-autism Connection Conference

Steven Harris, MD

125 pages - Powerpoint presentation

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http://www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/LymeProtocolOct09.pdf

A Treatment Guide: Lyme and other Chronic Infections

by Dietrich Klinghardt, MD, PhD

October 2009 - 87 pages

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This book, by an ILADS member LLMD, holds great information about treatments options and support measures:

http://tinyurl.com/6lq3pb (through Amazon)

THE LYME DISEASE SOLUTION (2008)

- by Kenneth B. Singleton , MD; James A. Duke. Ph.D. (Foreword)

You can read more about it here and see customer reviews.

Web site: www.lymedoctor.com


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http://tinyurl.com/5vnsjg

Book: Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections - by Stephen Harrod Buhner

website: http://planetthrive.com/2009/08/buhner-healing-lyme-program/

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Topic: Buhner Healing Lyme Q & A links have changed


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http://tinyurl.com/5drx94


Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine - by Dr. QingCai Zhang, MD & Yale Zhang


web site: try www.sinomedresearch.org and use "clinic" and then "clinic" for the passwords or call Hepapro through www.hepapro.com

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www.lyme-disease-research-database.com/lymenutritionfile1_files/Integrated-Approach-DAN.pdf

HEALING LYME DISEASE: An Integrated Approach to Curing Chronic Infection

Daniel A. Kinderlehrer, M.D. (2004)

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This author is also an ILADS member & a LL ND author:

http://www.dancingviolets.com/media/pdf/LymeDisease.pdf

Chronic Lyme Disease and Co-infections: Clinical Overview (Snow)


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Similar approach, from another ILADS-member/ND author:

http://www.steveclarknd.com/LymeDisease.htm

Your Path to Wellness (Clark)

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RIFE

http://www.lymebook.com/lyme-disease-rife-machines-bryan-rosner


Book: Lyme Disease and Rife Machines by Bryan Rosner

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Not at all about lyme, but a good site for articles about supplements:

www.vrp.com

In their search bar, just pull down from products to articles for access to a fabulous library backed with solid research citations for every article.

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More specific to herbs but, again, not about lyme:

The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook (Tillotson, et.al.)

http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/one-earth-herbal-sourcebook/

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You can also see medical abstracts for many supplements at PubMed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

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www.itmonline.org

ITM - Chinese Medicine research site

Just search "Safety" if you have questions about herbs or interactions with an Rx. Great details here.

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www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

February/March 2006

BIOCHEMISTRY OF LYME DISEASE: BORRELIA BURGDORFERI SPIROCHETE / CYST

by Prof. Robert W. Bradford and Henry W. Allen

EXCERPTS:

. . . A discovery of great importance relating to a toxin produced by the causative agent of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, has been linked to a similar toxin produced by the organism Clostridium botulinum (botulism) *. . . .

[extensive explanation of:]

* Lyme Disease Toxin . . .

* Action of Toxin . . .

* Dietary SUPPLEMENTS in Lyme Disease . . .

. . . .

- Full article and great photos at link above.

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* as he compares the effect of the borrelia toxin with that of Botulism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Botulism

Botulism

Botulism (Latin, botulus, "sausage") also known as "Botulinus Intoxication," is a rare but serious paralytic illness caused by botulin toxin.

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Methods mentioned in the article above:

http://www.beatinglymedisease.blogspot.com/

Book & Author's Blog: Beating Lyme Disease by David Jernigan

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And one more set:
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One book that may help with understanding how the body systems work is:

THE ONE EARTH HERBAL SOURCEBOOK (Tillotson)

Most of it is viewable on line here: http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com/

MENU on left of page will take you to the BASICS OF HERBS - and beyond.

Amazon also carries it. This book does not discuss lyme or TBI protocol, still it is an excellent resource for so much, especially understand our liver, etc. Diets for certain kinds of illness are suggested.

Repeat: this book does NOT discuss any treatment for lyme (other than a passing reference to sarsaparilla at http://tinyurl.com/2eeqct ).

Still, it is an excellent place to start for understanding so much about human and plant life and how they work together.


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ITM - INSTITUTE OF TRADITIONAL MEDICINE

www.itmonline.org - home

ITM's Article Directory : www.itmonline.org/articles.htm


A few ITM links regarding SAFETY and INTERACTIONS:

www.itmonline.org/safety.htm

www.itmonline.org/arts/herbdrug.htm - 2000

www.itmonline.org/arts/herbdrug2.htm - 2003

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Editing to add compilation links that include some of those above and also many more:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/2/13239

MORE WAYS TO FIND A LL DOCTOR

&

WHY you need an ILADS-EDUCATED LLMD &/or LL ND

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http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/2/13964?

Topic: How to find a ILADS-EDUCATED LL ND, L.Ac., etc.

(an ND is a naturopathic doctor), (a L.Ac. is an acupuncturist) . . . or . . . a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, etc.

Includes many articles and books on complementary / integrative methods - & RIFE links.
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