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I have used a lot of different abx over the last 3 years and have seemed to reach somewhat of a plateau. Maybe it's time to try a rife machine. I have seen many different rife machines on the web but I have no idea which one to get. Since the cost is not insignificant ($2,000 - 2,500), I want to make sure I get one that is worth it. I also think this will be interesting info for more than just me. Therefore, I would like to invite you rife machine users to share the following information with the rest of us:
- brand and type of machine used. Company name that makes it - where you bought it (phone number/ website URL) - when you bought it - price you paid - description on how this machine is used (contact / wand / ...) - how often you use it / have used it - how long per session - which frequency / frequencies you use - do you use only the Rife machine or abx in combo - results, preferably as detailed as possible. Is there a way you can quantify the results? Maybe compare it with results of when you were on abx? - negative side effects - other points?
I also like to know if you have had any comments from your LLMD about the Rife machines.
Thanks,
Tim
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I have a GB4000. It is great for running different frequencys at the same time and cutting the treatment time. It also comes with a big book of different frequencys for different illnesses. I would herx 2 days after using the machine for 5 minutes and it would last a day or two...
Had to quit using it since antibiotics and rie dont work together really well... hopefully will be able to return to using it when I show big improvements, right now it is slow
GB4000, EMEM, Doug Coil, and Magnetic Pulser are all good ones and have different purposes
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Also you can join the lyme and rife group on yahoo. It is run by the author of this book.
Hope this helps, robi
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Here's a link on rife poll. It was very helpful to me & also reading the Book robi suggested helped tons:
I bought one on faith a year ago after reading the bood & everything I could get my hands on. I ended up getting an EMEM3D2/T from rife labs. I have been off abx for a year now rifing & taking supps for one year now. I feel it may be helping.
But was it that I did 3/4 years of abx treatments for my lyme & co's & that has keep it me partical remmsiion for now or is it the rife? No way to know for sure.
What sruck me the most was that... to me it makes no sense logically to sit in front of a light bulb to get better. But the more I read on people who where doing it & how it seems to help them I decided to take a leap of faith & get one.
Hope this helps Dana
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If money is tight I would recommend the EMEM analog machine for value and effectiveness. If you can spend more the GB-4000 is more convenient because you can program it and it runs up to eight frequencies at a time. It also runs sweeps and various other options.
Both work well and it is largely a matter of preference. But, the GB-4000 is more convenient and the more convenient it is the more likely it is that it will be used.
I bought mine used but I have bought a couple of things from this site with no problems.
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thanks so much, very helpful story. Did you (should I) get the 10 W amplifier as well with the GB-4000? What about the other stuff (wrist bands and poly pads)?
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I am almost convinced getting this GB-4000. I just have one more question:
I see only positive postings about Rife machines. This is understandable - human nature. If there are only positive experiences then let's gooooooooo. I would actually also like to hear from those people that have bought and used a Rife machine but that did not see any improvement. Is there anybody out there that can speak from their own experience and tell me NOT to use a Rife machine for Lyme?
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This is not from my own experience with Rife but in 8 years of facilitating a support group I have never seen Rife cure anyone. The ONE thing I have seen cure people is longterm abx, period.
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Hi tvalentijin
I just wanted to add that after 3/4 years of heavy duty treatments I can longer stomach any of the orals. I already went the IV route so that is not an option for me now and am allergic to the injectables... Hense I turned to rife a year ago.
I feel it is helping & with not so many options for me. It has been able to keep most of my lyme symptoms at bay. It has not been a "cure" for me but in light of my circumstanse a real help.
I choose the EMEM machine, because from the polls & everything I could read it seemed at the time to be the most popular machine & fairly easy to use. I also feel comfortable that it is a none contact devise. So far so good but I am keeping all my fingers crossed.
Good luck with your search & what ever treatemt you may find that can help you too.
Blesssings Dana
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Tim, Between the Lyme/rife book noted above and the Lymerife website, you can find most of the answers to your questions.
I've owned pad, plasma and EM Field( Doug Coil) devices and they all work. Most people end up using a combination over time. Frankly, for long term use I would use a radiant (plasma or coil)type of device, as they are easier on your body.
I have been off abx(except for short periods for other things than Lyme) for over 4 years using rife and work full time(Climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro over Xmas. Rifing works great to control Lyme.
You are turning to rife for the same reason most people do...you have plateaued on abx. I think you'll find that rife will get you down the road a lot farther.
Good Luck rifing!
Ernie
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I had a doubt about Rife like you, most posts say working, while I couldn't figured out why.
So I built one myself and started rifing two months ago.
My recovery seems speed up since I started rifing with pulsing abx(Rifampin & Mino)MWF.
I am 80% better.
Now I believe Rife is doing something, because when I move the coil over my head, it literally vibrate my painful nerves (or the painful areas) and execrate the pains.
I have almost life time headache, so maybe the Rife is curing the inflammation in my head?
Anybody have such experience?
I figure since Rife can exert such strong effects on my nerves, it can also adversely affect bugs in our body.
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Rife does not work for everyone. There are some reports of no improvement. I do not know why, other than some obvious reasons.
I think curing it with Rife frequencies is a rare occurance. My wife has had about a 95% improvement but we have not completely got rid of it yet. Sun exposure always seems to make it more active. We have to treat more often in the summer and less in the winter. We are currently at a stalemate with symptoms neither getting worse or getting better.
The symptoms are still just occasional joint pain which happen more often in the summer.
Overall she is still much better than before we started which is worth quite a bit in itself. But, it may take something more to completely get rid of it. Time will tell the rest of this story.
D Bergy
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D Bergy, Could it be that the rate of improvment slows down as you get better? I am wondering for the people who don't get better, are they using the wrong frequencies or maybe the use the Lyme frequences, but ignore the ones for co-infections???
In addition to rifing, I have focused on critical supplements to help also. For example, Burrascano's list is the best, especially CoEnzyme10 for energy. Also the 3 essential oils(omega 3, 6 & 9) & the 5 basic sugars( re: sugars that heal).
Ernie
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I bought a Rife and do not feel it has helped.
I seemed to react to every setting - Lyme, every coinfection you can think of, and diseases from countries I've never traveled to even. I tried settings for prostate cancer, and even being female, I had a reaction.
I think the reason I 'react' to every Rife setting (and do not feel better after the initial worsening of symptoms, but instead worse than ever) is that I believe we are all heavy metal toxic. Or perhaps we are toxic with iron or copper.
When we plug the Rife in and turn it on, we are merely reacting to the electromagnetic fields of the Rife.
I've posted this in other threads, but I personally am convinced from what I've been reading that electromagnetic fields, especially from cell phones, is what is causing what would ordinarily be a harmless microorganism to cross that delicate blood-brain barrier.
I'd recommend purchasing the book 'Cross Currents' by Robert Becker over putting money into a Rife Machine. If you don't believe cell phones and other EMFs are the cause of your Lyme, you will after reading this book.
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Sorry I missed your post tvalentijn. I would recommend the amplifier with the GB-4000. I think it would work to a degree without it but would be underpowered. That is what I have heard from some that have used it both ways.
Yes, I think the treatments do produce less and less results at some point. That seems logical since the easiest stuff gets removed right away. Seems like all treatments have this same effect.
I am sure there is a coinfection we are missing or that the machine will not work on. I am going to start programming in some frequencies for coinfections that we have not run yet and use some general pathogen frequencies that I have noticed many people have such as Streptococcus.
We may have to go to a whole different method to get rid of the last of it, but the machine is keeping it at bay which gives us time to try different things.
Contact machines, such as our does not deliver frequencies using an electromagnetic field. A carrier wave is used to deliver frequencies.
EMEM devices do use a very weak EM field.
A Doug Coil uses a stronger EM field.
Best Regards
D Bergy
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Have you considered that your experience with exposure to sunlight fits theories put forth in the Marshall Pathogenesis?
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This isn't the first-person report that you asked for and I don't remember seeing any first-person reports of Rife failure on the Lyme boards. Maybe the others are too embarrassed to admit that they were taken-in by the hype and are shamefully lacking in courage to post that experience for the benefit of others.
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Or the more obvious reason that there is not that many failures.
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"He rode the "herx" train to his grave on 16 Jan 2007."
I read your statement to mean that rife directly contributed to this person's death. Is that the exact meaning of your statement?
Thank you, Dave
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I really want an answer to the following question. Please don't be mean, I am having a bad day:
What do all the anti-rifers on this board think a person should do who can't stomach the abx anymore & has gone threw the IV route and is allergic to the injectables?
Thanks Dana
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Sorry I didn't read the Sterngold post, but I have read enough of your previous posts on rife to understand your position. And I certainly don't need for you to tell me the difference between a herx and a relapse.
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Have only been using an EMEM rife for about 2 months but so far the results are encouraging:
Having suffered with an avg body temp of 96.0-97.5 for 15 years, within a couple of weeks of the 1st rife treatment my body temp had risen to 98.0-98.6 consistently. Has anyone else experienced this?
From day 1 rife treatment, experienced GI herxing. Being prone to cholecystitis, it was not an unexpected herx. This herxing has improved with licorice root, sarsaparilla, and probiotics.
Pain and spasm in the low back and legs has improved considerably.
Fatigue is now my main problem and has not improved much if at all. It seems that the worst fatigue is within minutes of finishing the treatment so maybe the worst bouts of fatigue are herxes as well.
Best of luck to you.
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I haven't had much luck at all with Rife. I feel worse after Rifing, but I've yet to feel better.
So if I'm correct that EMFs are my problem more so than Lyme - perhaps even the cause of Lyme crossing the blood-brain barrier - then the EMFs from Rifing could potentially send me to my grave.
I just know that when I restarted my Ceftin, initially I felt better right away. A few days later I 'herxed' on my antibiotic and felt worse. A few days later I felt better again.
With Rife though, I feel worse immediately and then continue to feel bad. How could this be a good thing?
I do think Joe should ease up on some people on the forum here. We all have memory problems, and we just hold out hope that there is something that will work. If we're guilty of asking the same question over and over again, well then shoot me, too.
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I had a similar experience to Tailz. The first 2 very short rife sessions knocked me flat for 24 hours both times. I experimented with frequencies and times, based on tons of literature I read. I was pretty careful. After 4 months I never felt better, only worse, and eventually went back on abx.
I have since used a mag pulser and a blood electrification device. They seem to be easier to tolerate than rife for me and have offered some relief, albeit minor.
Am doing only Rx for Babs right now.
Am glad it works for those who can tolerate the side effects or herxes. I am a wimp.
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I too had the experience of feeling pretty bad with rife treatments in the beginning. No abx. I would have reactions during the sessions. It didn't matter what freqs I used, something felt weird. My herxes were really bad 24hrs later.
I was seeing Dr C at that time and told him I had been using a rife machine and he said great. He had had several patients that couldn't/wouldn't do abx any longer, improve with rife. I told him I had been using for about 5 months, but I was still having very strong herxing.
At this point I still wasn't "feeling" better. Dr C said I should of seen some results and be having better days before now. It wasn't a month after seeing him that I had a good couple hours one day. I mean symptom free. wow
These good periods came and went over and over again. Half a day here, half day there. Feeling like crap the rest of the time.
There was light at the end of the tunnel. I knew this day would come. After all it was positively a spiritual, God given blessing that I had found my rife machine.
It was about the one year mark that I realized I was no longer dying a slow death. It was going to be okay. My expectations have always been just feeling better. Being able to do life.
Rife alone did not do it. It was months and months and now 3 years of cleaning out toxins in my body. I'm not cured. Don't know if that is possible until I personally expereince it.
What I do know...from my experience, abx wasn't going to get me back to life. Abx became the enemy sometime during my three + yrs doing them. All I had to do was look outside the box of modern medicine and ask for help.
Today I can do life. I still need to pace myself. I struggle with stress of life. I might not ever be the A Type person I used to be. On second thought I don't ever want to be her again.
I still come to lymenet daily to see if the "CURE" for lyme and other vector borne-illnesses has been found. Meds, supps, rife and detox and detox is how I do it.
Pam
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wow cave thats alot of questions
I did my first IV in 94 & then orals for 9 years held me pretty good.
Then huge crash aprox 4 years ago. I did 6 months IV & then 3-4 years oral followup... IV meds where...
Primaxin, clindamyacin, zithromax, levaquin, cleocin... (rochepine was not an option as my liver tanked fast back on IV in 94). My LLMD decided to quit the IV because I stopped herxing on the IV abx and had reached a plateau & thought that it was time to go to orals.
Then treated for babs. This seemed to be the nail in the coffin of my stomach & GI track. I was pukin & nauseated for 8 months straight. With erosions in my GI tract.
The erosions are gone but my nausea is still there. I can tolerate bland food only. I tried to re-start abx but I start pukin again. I am lucky now to be able to tolerate bland foods. I can't even stomach some supps without the nausea getting worse. So orals for now are out of the question.
But my stomach is a champ for holding out for 12 years on orals
So I guess you can say my stomach made the decision for me to stop orals. I did not decide to quit orals because the herxing was so bad & it was very bad. I pushed threw the herxing.
Re: injectables: yes, I am highly allergic to penicillin/bicillan (sp?) throat constrictions & can't do rochephin- it tanks my liver & gave me gall bladder problems.
I don't want to go the IV rote again. For several reasons. I can't afford IV costs. The 6 month IV nearly broke us. I lost my LLMD a year ago so not that motivated to fly across country to do IV when we can't affored it. And I know from experience if I can't do oral follow-up after the IV I will just tank. BTW the IV only got me so far. The orals where also key as well.
So here I am. In a pickle
I tried some mild herbs but they also upset my stomach.I turned to rife as my only alternative treatment for the past year. Time will tell if it can hold me.
hope this answers some of your questions. Take care Dana
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