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Northerner
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Hello,

I was wondering if anyone has ever NOT herxed using a Rife machine? If so, did you ever improve with no herxing?

I recently bought a Rife and have been trying to make myself herx trying many different frequencies. So far nothing other than maybe a slight herx. This is very strange since I can practically have near fatal herxes from water.

For those of you with Rifes, how long was it when you first got your machine until you herxed?

I'm starting to think that my Lyme/co-infections are untreatable. After 20 years of this with everything else failing, Rife seems to be my last hope. I have been going downhill very fast this year.

Any advice???

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Okay, this is just my opinion but I don't think a herx is all that desirable. It can be very hard on the body.

I don't think you have to get a herx to get healing.

I have a rife EMEM5 and I've only used a few times. Within the time limited instructed, I do not herx. That suits me just fine.

Herx is highly over-rated as a measurement of success.

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I've never used a rife machine (hope to get one in the future)

But how do you know the machine is working order? How would you know if it is malfunctioning and not putting out the waves?

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If the light bulb is going, it is working. You can see the fluctuations in the light pulses. They change with each frequency number. (for an EMEM5, anyway).

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A note of caution, I don't how you are trying to make yourself herx, but (for lyme frequencies) it's only supposed to be used for a certain number of minutes and no more than every 12 days (for EMEM5, at least). To increase either the time or shorten the time between treatments can cause damage to liver or kidneys from excess toxins.

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Can you give some details as to how long you are running the machine and how you are using it specifically?

What type machine are you using?

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Wonderful. It's good to see Dan is on board. He's brilliant in all things rife.


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The strongest "herx" response looks to come from using Rife frequencies that sends the frequencies thru an argon light (argon is a gas). This increases the *depth of penetration*.

What kind of Rife machine are you using? For how long? At what frequencies? Are you pulsing AND scanning the frequencies? Did you do a "general program" FIRST?

Your comment about herxes from drinking water (?) is very interesting from a Na-H2O balance standpoint as well as from a water-lipid standpoint.

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Rifed last night for my first treatment with EMEM5A.
Head feels foggy, less energy today. Seems like my tinitus is gone -- maybe from Bart 832. Headaches are rare for me anyways.

Machine was on a chair, I was sitting 4 feet away.
Should I be closer?

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Thanks for all your replies everyone!

I recently bought a GB-4000 Rife machine and I have been using it for a week on Lyme and Babesia frequencies. I know it hasn't been a long time I've been using it, but I have a 30 day return policy so I am pushing it some at first trying to see if I will herx on it.

I think that it is working properly because both red lights are on and I do feel some tingling and an occassional prickly sensation when I use it.

From what I've read though most people seem to have severe herxes in a very short time when they first use it. And with my severe herxing history I find it strange I haven't had that reaction yet.

I have been taking a couple of days off the machine now because my heart is beating too fast and wacky. I have a very bad heart from the Lyme and once a month around the same time it always gets more severe. This is a typical pattern for me so I don't think the machine caused this.

Still confused how often to use it and for how long. Waiting 12 days between treatments seems like such a long time if there is no herx reaction going on.

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It took 4 or 5 sessions for me before I had a defineable herxeimer reaction, that is not to say I was not being benefited, as was mentioned above - it is not a necessary or even desirable result (though I must admit it is a bit reassuring).

I am unfamiliar with that machine and no rife expert - so I cannot comment further. But, in general, it took me approx. 3 months before I could look at my track record and see quantifiable improvement - which is what you really want anyway, right?

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If you herx on other Lyme treatments and not using the GB, something is likely wrong. Either that or you have already lowered your bacterial load enough that your body can easily handle the killing effect.

Let assume it is not the last scenario. There are only so many possibilities.

1) the machine is not working, or you are not using it correctly.

Out of the box, with the default settings it should work. Are you using the amplifier and is it turned to the max output? When the GB is running is it indicating that the frequencies are being run? Are all the wires conducting electricity. I would check them with an amp probe. They are the weak link in the machine.

2) Your symptoms are either mostly being caused by a coinfection, that does not have a herx reaction. You also could have another coinfection that you have not treated for.

Or you have another disease that is similar to Lyme, would respond to a oral Lyme treatment, but not necessarily Lyme frequency treatments.

There is really only one possibility here. I am not suggesting you have this, but the only other disease like this, is Syphilis. If this is a possibility, then try the Syphilis frequencies and see what happens. This will not mean you have it, because the Syphilis frequencies can sometimes work on Lyme also. It could mean you have a weird strain.

Just some random ideas. Since we do not know your history, or have the information you do, you will have to see what is most likely here.

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The closer you sit to a plasma Rife type machine, the more effective it is. The power is roughly cut in half for every foot of distance between you and the machine.

Plasma machines do seem to penetrate into the spine and joints somewhat better than a contact machine. You also get harmonics from the tube itself, that are not present with contact method.
I have programmed in harmonics in my own custom Lyme sets. They work, but I do not know if they work better than any other Lyme frequencies.

The contact method worked extremely fast on brain problems from Lyme. I speculate that is because of the high water content of the brain. It may have nothing to do with it, but it worked way faster in this respect than I would have expected.
Possibly bettr than a Plasma tube in this respect, but further testing would be needed to prove this out.

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Thanks for more feedback Chris and Dan.

I did all of the checks on my Rife and it all seems to be in working order and running okay. I checked the wires too, and they are conducting electricity.

I am going to try some different frequencies tonight to see if I get any reaction. It is interesting that you mentioned wierd strains, Dan. I have often wondered if I have some severe mutant strains of Lyme/co-infections.

No matter what I've ever tried in the last 20 years (antibiotics, natural supplements, other machines or gizmos), I usually get severe herxing but no improvement at all once it wears off.

If trying different frequencies doesn't work, I might give the expensive Perl Rife a try. It sure is depressing and discouraging though. I have never been able to relate to anyone ever getting better from Lyme/co-infections.

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Another thing to try is using the Lyme autochannels and also push the channel sweep button when it starts. This will vary the frequency higher and lower than the listed frequencies. If you have a mutated strain it may hit something.

There are different strains of Lyme and it is possible you have a European strain. I still think some of the autochannel frequencies should hit it no matter what strain it is.

432 Hz is another known effective Lyme frequency if you have Lyme typical to this country. Try sweeping 2 Hz higher and lower than 432

A good universal pathogen frequency is 666Hz.

Yeast, Candida, frequencies might be something to try also.

Let us know what happens. If you have Lyme and other treatments make you Herx, there is no logical reason this one should not produce the same reaction.

Good Luck

Dan

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I just thought of the obvious. You may not have any Lyme in spirochete form currently. Try using Magnesium for a few days and try again. Mg always seems to lure it out.

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Thanks for all your advice, Dan! I will try out those frequencies that you suggested along with the sweeps.

I was thinking that maybe most of my Lyme is in cyst form now and untouchable. But I have been taking magnesium powder everyday for a couple of years now, so if that lures the spirochetes out, there should be a bunch floating around in me.

I have very severe candida problems for many years since I took massive dosages of antibiotics. I haven't tried the Candida frequencies yet. Could it be some of the Candida needs to be knocked off before I can touch any of the tick diseases? I remember someone told me years ago that their LLMD said the yeast needed to be knocked out some before the other treatments would work.

Everytime I use the Rife though I feel some tingling and occassionally a prick here and there. Is this always an indication that the frequencies are travelling all over your body?

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I can feel sensations occasionally, but not most of the time. I do not treat myself for Lyme. My wife feels joint pain with effective Lyme frequencies but that is not typical. Most people feel nothing.

Distinct sensations, the kind you do not experience any other time can indicate something being hit.

I think it is quite possible that some other pathogen is causing you problems at this time. I would try frequencies for the obvious ones.

464 Hz is an effective frequency for Candida Albicans. 676 is an effective frequency for H-Pylori. Both will have to be used for several days in row to get ahead of reproduction. Sweep 2 Hz above and below after running the original frequency for at least five minutes each.

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Northerner... Did I miss it? Did you say how many MINUTES you ran the machine each time?

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Thanks for the Candidia and H-Pylori frequencies, Dan. I had no idea that H-Pylori went hand in hand with Candida. I will probably try those frequencies next. I was amazed at what I found Googling the Candida/H-Pylori connection. This could explain my severe food allergies.

Lymetoo, it has varied a lot how long I have run the machine each time. I started out with 2 minutes, then 10, 20, and when I run the auto-programs they can go up to 25 minutes.

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I have food allergies also, from Crohn's Disease. I have never treated much for Candida, but have for H-Pylori.

I had it in my stomach for awhile which caused me a lot of pain and problems. It moved up into my stomach from using antacids and acid blocking drugs, prior to my Crohn's diagnosis.

Six five minute treatments of 676Hz along with six sweeps from 675 to 677 for five minutes eliminated it from my stomach.

It probably did not eliminate it entirely from my body, but the stomach was a hostile environment and it did not take much to allow the stomach acid to kill the damaged bacteria.

One treatment would only resolve it for about 18 hours. I thought it was a placebo effect at first. But when it would work every time for 18 hours, I knew I was on to something. It was a matter of treatment time not my imagination.

Your post reminded me that Candida weakens the intestinal mucous and leads to leaky gut. Which in turn leads to food allergies from stuff leaking into the body. I should be treating for Candida as well. I have reduced carbs and sugar that feed it.

Next time I fire up the Rife machine I am going to hit the Candida hard.

Thanks for jogging my poor memory.

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I'm sorry to hear that your are suffering from Crohn's Disease and food allergies, Dan. Everyone these days seem to be so sick from so many different things.

I hope that when you Rife for Candida that you will get improvement from it. Candida seems so hard to kill too.

It has been interesting to find almost every disease and condition imaginable in the Rife frequency lists to try. I even found one for Chemtrail detox.

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I quickly got my Crohn's under control once I was diagnosed. A little surgery, Chlorine Dioxide and a prescription for LDN and I was better than I have been in years. Bad bacteria and a faulty immune response. Easily fixed.

Crohn's was easy, Lyme is hard.

Do not believe that frequency treatments work for all of the things listed. There are only a handful of treatable conditions that have any degree of credibility behind them. That is why it has the appearance of a quack device since so many unfounded claims are made for treating every thing under the sun.

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I concur with the above, and would also add that lyme in particular is not necessarily what the current generation of these devices are suited for. In my experience (successful experience, fwiw) they do a tremendous job keeping the bugs in check but by no means should you rely on this as your sole solution/treatment.
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Dan, I'm glad to hear that you quickly got your Crohn's Disease under control. Did you ever try the Crohn's auto frequency on the Rife? If so, did you notice any difference?

Chris, what other things do you do for your Lyme beside the Rife machine? I am unable to tolerate much of anything, but I am taking some natural supplements and trying to detox a little.

I wonder if a Rife would work on the swine flu frequency if a person got sick with that? I suppose since this one is a mutation never seen before of human/bird/swine, it might be tricky to find the right frequencies.

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The Rife machine was not helping my Crohn's for a few reasons.

I was not sure what or how many bacteria were responsible for the symptoms. I had narrowed it down to three or four.

Some of the bacteria that were likely to be involved had no known frequency to treat with.

There was likely several pathogens and yeast involved and it is hard to treat numerous conditions with a frequency machine.

I did try the Crohn's frequencies, and they seemed to help short term, but so little that I can not rule out a placebo effect.

I did get a reaction when treating for Mutant E-Coli strains. It was a negative reaction and made me sick the first time I ran them. I did it a second time to eliminate coincidence and it made me sick again. I never improved from this treatment, so I quite using it.

At that point I used MMS to kill all acidic bacteria because it had the properties I needed to kill unknown harmful bacteria of possibly several species. It worked exceptionally well for my condition. After that, I could run the very same E-Coli frequencies and had no reaction to them. That gave me a big hint that E-Coli was one offending bacteria.

The Rife machine helped a great deal in eliminating a concurrent H-Pylori infection. This improved my condition considerably, but was a separate problem brought on by over use of antacids and acid blocking drugs prior to my diagnosis.

Experimenting with finding a new frequency for a life threatening condition is not the best tactic if you have a better alternative.

For any new virus or bacterial infection, I would use MMS first, because it has such a broad killing effect on bacteria and viruses, it has a good chance of working.

Having said that, I do not use it on Colds or Flu any more. The kill off is so fast it actually seems to stress the body too much. I would use it for a life threatening condition. I will never be without some on hand. I also use it when I am bit by a Deer Tick. They are thick on my property, and I will get bit several times a year.

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My Rife herx tend to peak 2-4 days after treatment.
Joint pain in knees, hips, and shoulders. Very sore back and neck. Brain fog, tired.

Anyone else notice a delay too?

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That MMS sure sounds like a good supplement to have on hand for many different problems. Did you ever herx on this supplement when you were killing off different bacteria? Did your wife ever try MMS and herx or improve on it?

Yeah, I have heard that the ticks are really thick in Northern Minnesota. They are extremely thick down here in Southern Minnesota too, but don't worry. The Mayo Clinic told me that there is no Lyme or tick diseases in my county. [cussing]

Mookiewill, how long have you been Rifing? Are you improving any?

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Northerner,
Just started 2 treatments for Lyme, Babs, Bart followed by Lymph support.

My tinnitus seems better, my sleep times are longer.
EMEM5A

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