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I've read from my kit not to use aluminum for heating the coffee. I have no idea what our pots are made from. Not sure what to do.

Shouid I start with maybe 1/3 of a solution? My ND suggested it. And maybe not hold as long? The kit recommends 15 min!

Should I Lie in the bathtub just in case?

Is it painful?

Anything else I Should know?

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Editing to add: First, as I kept writing, so much came to mind so you will likely be rather miffed at me and do dozens of eye rolls. Yet, each thing I mention does matter. And it will get easier once the basic homework is done.

Also, after an enema, rest. Plan to rest at least an hour. There should be a relief and some feeling better after a while though you may feel "spent" - The next day you should feel better.

I did not even think about using a microwave as I don't have one. If you use a microwave, best to use a glass the approved for such - no plastic (even if it says it's okay for microwave). Only glass or ceramic and check your vessel against detail at the manufacturer's website to confirm.

As I recall, Pyrex is not microwave safe. Be sure to verify whatever you use.

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Until you can identify the composition of the metal in your pots, do not use them for this purpose. Just don't.

You should be able to search the brand / model of your pots as to their composition - call the customer service folks at the manufacturer's website.

Nickel can also leech out of some stainless steel, though, and that's not great. You'd want the higher number of the SS rating, not the lower 18 number on lighter pots.

Any kind of non-stick coating also should be avoided for this purpose. Any kind, even the newer "green" kinds. No one knows just what those really are & the data is not yet out on all that.

slick glass enamel coated pans like the steel-coated enamel pans by Chantal are fine. That same sort of real glass enamel coating is used on LeCreuset cast iron but much heavier to handle.

some pans say they are enamel lined but use a plastic base. Be sure it's not that.

If you have a very nice higher composition stainless steel, (20 being the second part of the number) you might use that as a double boiler so that coffee reheating would not touch the interior of your other pans if unsure or if any aluminum or nickel.

A certified PYREX double boiler bowl set in a pan of hot water might also work. Check with actual people at the PYREX company for instructions. Some newer, cheaper pyrex dishes have been found to be faulty so be certain.

Corning ware, also - the older the better but not for direct stove top heat until a difuser is used or you have a dish that would work as a double boiler insert to bring to warm.

Others might have other ideas, too, but it seems to me if your coffee pot (best not to use any coffee PODS as they are all plastic and will absorb into your coffee - and into you) . . .

if the lining of whatever coffee pot you use is glass enamel or SS, just let it cool enough . . . yet you'd have to heat high the water (to sterilize it) to dilute it for the mixture and then bring that down to safe temp, too.

You do not want to put very warm water into any kind of container that is plastic. It has to be nearly cool. But the heating up first is key to help it sterilize.

Hopefully, there's are other places that will offer more detail.
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Q: Should I Lie in the bathtub just in case?

No. You can have a serious bodily accident trying to get out in a hurry especially if you wear socks.

And if you have an elimination accident in the tub, that will take a long time with strong solutions to clean up and also then in the washing machine for the textiles.

Be sure your bathroom floor is relatively clean and drape a thin half sheet or fabric to lie on. But you will have to wash it so don't make it too thick. Use a scarf / sweater to keep you warm or put a warmer layer on top of you and don't let it touch the floor or toilet.

Having your favorite relaxing music playing is helpful -- and low key lighting.
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Q: Is it painful?

Well, I would find it much more painful should I have waited in the tub.

I would practice the insertion of the tip at a time when you will not be doing the actual enema. Practice several times until you are comfortable and capable with that part.

Practice getting up and back down again, too from your resting position.

You do not want to slip in the bathroom - practice how to avoid that. Keep a towel on your towel rack in case you might slip and fall into that (do not land your nose on it like I did once).

Also plan as to how / where the insertion tip will go when you remove it so that none of the surfaces in the bathroom get contaminated.

Hobby gloves / or the kind doctors wear are advised. If not used before, practice how to remove and discard so that the outsides of the glove are folded in as removed to prevent contamination of any surfaces / trash can sides, etc.

Slippers only IF non-skid. You might actually want to keep some shoes on if they add to stability. This matters most: stability.

You may be in quite a hurry at various times. Practice the dance so that your body has some muscle memory in the event you are rushed.

As for the pain in insertion, that should be minimal. If it's not, do not continue and reassess with your ND.

As for pain of bowel emptying, well, yeah, that's going to be somewhat painful as a diarrhea event might be. Manageable cramping usually - but it can be varying in intensity & duration.

If you use some kind of tush personal wipe for clean up - do not flush, no matter what the package might say. These clog up sewers terribly.

There is a lot to consider at first - and key specifics to follow. And at first it can be overwhelming. But it can become much easier. I found the practice, soft music and lighting to really help.

But then, after a few times, I decided I'd rather just support my body to do this naturally from the inside out (with magnesium and some nice colon support herbs such as Rhubarb 17 by Seven Forests) so I did not have to go through this.
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Q: "Shouid I start with maybe 1/3 of a solution? My ND suggested it."

I suggest following that advice.


Q: "And maybe not hold as long? The kit recommends 15 min!"

Your body is going to dictate this. At first, you may not be able to hold very long at all. Listen to your body - you will need to resist a BIT at first, of course, but ultimately, you will learn to figure this out between rumbling and when your colon means serious & swift business.
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Something else you might want to practice though it's more just a matter of learning:

When you remove the insert / tube, it will likely SQUIRT and that could go all over you / bathroom. Have a plan.

If a bag & tube is used - and if there is any liquid left at all in the vessel, you'd want to pinch the tubing prior to removing the insert tip. Then have a paper towel to cover the tip as soon as you can.

Also plan as to how to dispose of that paper towel "catcher mitt" in a hygienic manner where no hands are likely to touch it later as when emptying out the bath trash basket, etc.

if a smaller enema bottle with no tube just the neck, similar action to contain any squirting or leaking.

And - cleanup if a reusable bag is used - follow instructions to be sure the inside of the bag / vessel will be clean now and also for the start of the next use.

Also, be sure to CLOSE the LID on the toilet before flushing every time.
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And finally, this is the formula that helped my bowel and natural detoxification functions so much. Kind on the body, no props or events required and helpful in various ways.

Just about every naturopathic doctor and acupuncturist knows this brand (from a U.S. herbalist in Portland, Oregon - who is world-known for his research) and many stock it. Yours likely will know, too. Ask if this might be a good formula for your body. Do not use until you ask your ND, though.

https://www.goldenneedleonline.com/Rhubarb-17-250-tablets.html

Seven Forests Rhubarb 17

Description of how this works / the support aspects & Ingredients are listed.

Excerpt: . . . This formulation does not cause intestinal cramping or diarrhea that is characteristic of the stronger purgatives and it is suited to long-term use. . . . .


www.itmonline.org

ITM - the manufacturer / herbalist's website where you can search each ingredient and find various articles as well as cautions that might exist for certain circumstances.

For instance, Rhubarb 17 contains six percent He Shou Wu (ho-shou-wu) - your ND would know if this should work for you or not, or more specifically,. with your liver at this point in time.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

PubMed - medical literature abstracts from around the world

where you can search each ingredient by both the common name and the scientific name (as results will vary depending upon which name is searched)

a cross-search of an ingredient with a body function or organ also yields faster results when first learning about one ingredient.

& from my file / study notes:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=034408;p=0

RHUBARB - for colon support - LINKS set


http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/36879

TRIPHALA - LINKS set -- also wonderful and gentle colon support
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It's also been said to do in the am after you go. But I go at various times during the day, up to 3. Can't be when I wake up or at 2 am. So when are the best times?

And this is so much to understand. Is there a checklist somewhere to follow?

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I'm sure there are checklists that your doctor can recommend - or from trusted sites.

No, absolutely do not do this in the middle of the night when you awaken at 2 a.m. That could be disaster for getting right back to sleep - or at least back to a dark & quiet restful state. Do all you can to protect fiercely good sleep hygiene. This is so important.

Try to get a red night light so you don't even have to let any other light into your eyes when you use bathroom during sleep time.

The best time is when you will be alert yet also relaxed - and not have to rush out anywhere so can rest a while. Until you get used to this, make it a time what works for you regardless of if you just had a BM or not.

This is a lot of work at the start - it will take energy to arrange all the details and it will be a physical toll until you get it all ironed out.

Keep in mind the time and all your tools it takes to get your water sterile (or as close as possible), etc.

I'm thinking mid-evening might be a good time, a few hours after a VERY LIGHT meal has had time to digest but also at least 2 hours prior to a good bedtime around 10 or 11 pm bedtime, ideally.

You might want to have some bone broth handy to warm up later, afterwards, if you feel weakened, as is likely.

That gives you a couple hours for the cramping to settle down, for your gut to settle down in other ways so you won't be running to the bathroom once off to sleep for the "after effects" so to speak.

As this is basically a forced diarrhea event, keep that in mind for the time you will need to recover & to clean up the equipment properly, etc. I sure would never want to go through this in the middle of the night.

The time frame is far greater & the amount of gurgling and movement in the bowels - well, that's much more than just having a bowel movement.

It will get easier with practice but your lower gut is still being put through a lot. That takes a relaxed couple of hours till all is quiet and settled down. Sure did for me, anyway,. years ago when I did this weekly for a couple months.
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Lying in the bathtub is exactly how I do it and that is in case of spillage which is common. I do not have physical movement issues. . This has been very helpful for me.

You might look at this:

https://drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/COFFEE.htm

https://drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/COFFEE%20ENEMA.HTM

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I got my kit from purelife, using med roast coffee.
I'll try to find a good list then.

So is it better not to do this before eating?

Interestingly, on Myers detox site about how to do the enema, they're recommending light roast, while lymenotlite's link says stay the f away from light. Christ w/the the confusion.
Also, Myers site says it may make one jittery...uh, I thought the caffeine doesn't really affect a person going through that end...*scratches head hard*

So now I have no idea how much coffee to use..1 tsp, 1 tbsp, 3 tbsp...
It's why I wish there was a clear cut, safe way everyone could follow.

So I suppose I take back my comment of "I'll try to find one" b/c I guess there isn't one--that I know of. If you know, PLEASE point it out.

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I did this years ago while a friend was staying with me. She had some kind of board and for the life of me I can't remember how all of that worked. I know I used the board for something and I laid in the floor. You can look online for enema supplies and I bet you would find this board.

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Q: "So is it better not to do this before eating?" (end quote)

Correct. Best not to do this too close to a planned meal. You will be feeling a bit sick to your lower gut for a while.

As this is a really a forced (though somewhat controlled) diarrhea event, I cannot imagine wanting to eat for at least 4 or more hours afterward.

Liquid is being externally pumped into your lower colon - that is going to stretch and then cause muscle cramping to move out the contents. '

The initial wave(s) to empty bowel might be done within a half hour so or but with all the muscle reaction in the lower gut, this an event that takes time.

You might want to have some tasty bone broth (and some stable fat, too) in your fridge to replenish some nutrients, though.
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Hello 6Hypnone,

I have been doing coffee enemas for over twenty years. These are some of the things I wish I'd known.

First of all, I would say that coffee enemas are NOT painful. There's something wrong if they are. There are many supportive supplements and herbs that are wonderful. I have been using them for years BUT there is a difference between support and direct application.

A wound heals with direct treatment plus supportive measures. Coffee enemas are a direct treatment. It stimulates the liver right then and there to produce glutathione. Depending on your symptoms or herx, much of that will dissipate as you proceed with the enema.

Coffee enemas have been used with success for many many years! Nutrients can be given this way also.

I was very sick when I started....great motivation!!! They can be done every day, spread out or used to treat stubborn symptoms. Doesn't mean that the symptoms are cured. It just means the enema has stimulated enough glutathione to give relief for several hours depending on your glutathione stores. In the long term it speeds healing.

Important Points:
Must use organic coffee.
Yes, the pan used makes a difference.
Never use the microwave to heat the water or coffee!!
It is recommended that one start with a weaker brew and work up to stronger.
A "Coffee Break" session consists of coffee instilled, retained and expelled twice.
The goal is not to evacuate the colon although it does accomplish some of that.

The Brew:
There does seem to be mixed opinions of what kind of organic coffee to use, dark, light etc. I don't realy know if it makes a difference. I use med or dark and grind it on the perk setting. Most important is that the source not be contaminated with mold mycotoxins etc.

Amount of coffee grounds needed to brew enough for each session? I use about 1/4 cup plus of grounds each and multiply that for how much concentrate you plan to make. It is usually recommended to start with maybe 1 to 2 tablespoons per session.

Sometimes I think the weaker brew is harder to retain. However, I have been doing this for a long time and tolerate the stronger version.

I always make enough for 4 to five days. refrigerate or freeze depending on when you plan to use it. I make it strong and concentrated so it isn't so much volume to store. That means I will use 4 to 8 ounces of the concentrate for each "Coffee Break".

To that I add a couple cups of boiling water to warm it up and make up the balance with room temp good clean filtered or spring water. That brings it to just about body temp or a little less. We don't want it too hot or too cold!!

I boil it gently for twenty minutes. Once it is done, if you have trouble retaining the coffee, you can add a couple tablespoons molasses per each dose. Let it cool naturally. In a pinch, you can cool enough for a "Coffee Break" with clean ice cubes. Strain and store the balance. Be mindful that grounds can clog up the enema tube.

When to Do:
Our time can often be gold. I would not let a meal prior stop me. I wouldn't do it after a Thankgixing Dinner! [Smile]

Best to be done after the colon is evacuated. This will prevent boo-coo messes. Some people do a plain water enema first to clear the colon, takes more time.

So, after a BM or use this trick so you can time your "Coffee Break". The trick is to use glycerin suppositories just prior to your enema (they act in a few minutes or so). By the time you are set up.....you're ready to start.

Set aside 1 1/2 to 2 hours. It takes a little bit to get set up and clean up. The holding time can be used to read, meditate, music, breathing exercises or just relaxing.

Set Up:
I make layers on the bathroom floor. In order: old sheet doubled, yoga matt, small folded blanket for extra padding, enough plastic to cover the yoga mat and blanket. Next an old bath towel, smaller piece of plastic with an old hand towel on top of that.

Top it off with a section of paper towel (insurance for catching any solids). For plastic, a piece of drop cloth or an old plastic tablecloth works well.

When using layers and starting with an evacuated colon, everything doesn't have to be washed every time. I use an old hand towel for each infusion. Usually that is all that must be washed. I dry them, keep in a plastic bag until I have a washer load.

I wash any part of the stack that needs it at any time. Always a separate load for these items and a second rinse. I have a good supply of old towels devoted to this. I also wash the plastic pieces when needed.

A head rest to your liking and something to use as a cover up. Within reach I have a disposable glove, plastic bag with no holes (produce bag or such), oil or coconut oil to lubricate the tip, paper towels and a jar. Using the jar bring the coffee solution down to fill the tube catching the extra. Then I put that coffee back in the enema bag.

The Procedure:
Lie on your stack, relax, lubricate the tip, gently insert the tip, open the valve and you are on your way to the first infusion, half of your solution.

You can start and stop the flow if you cramp. You can massage the abdomen to help any minor cramping. Don't be in any hurry!

Retain the coffee if you can for at least 15 minutes, 20 is better. You can hold it longer. Sometimes you may feel like you must expel......you can sit up and gently rock back and forth. It will usually pass. I try not to get up with that scenario as that's when messes can occur. Usually it will pass so you can hold for the given amount of time.

Note that if you are dehydrated your body may hang on to the solution. Not to worry, that's okay too. Try to be well hydrated. It's helpful to drink a hot beverage as you are in the expelling process, tea etc. Swallowing the hot liquid helps the colon expel.

Repeat for the second infusion.

Once done you should be energized and ready to go about your life.

Clean Up:
Clean the bag with hot soapy water. Sanize the bag making sure it is rinsed very very well. Hang to dry.
Sanitize the toilet seat complex, toilet bowl and sink.

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kidsgotlyme, the board you are probably thinking of is a colema boart.

6Hypnone, The link I provided recommends avoiding light roast coffee but here is another link that says to avoid dark:
https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/enemas-and-colonics.html
Tassi posted that she found dark grind harsher and started using light.

I use light because of something I read but I cannot remember what it was.

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@lightfoot:

Thank you for the detailed response.
Re: padding--I only have old hand towels. So dunno if very useful. I have zero plastic.
Re: brew--I have med roast.
Re: Pot to make in---no idea what the pots are made of.
Re: after--on Purelife's site, it's said to drink a green veggie shake b/c you lose minerals and electrolytes. Is this really necessary? What about bone broth, as was already said?
Re: Cleaning--Purelife instructions say to clean everything b4 and after with organic soap.
Re: Coffee container--I have a plastic bucket, not a bag.
Re: coffee--Purelife says add 3 tbsp coffee to 4 cups water. I thought of maybe halving that. It also says strain the coffee solution from the pot using their coffee enema strainer. Which i don't think I have.
Re: lying down--they say to lie on right side, always.

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Hi 6Hypnone!

RE: Padding--use what you have on hand. I'm sure the hand towels can work. You could even cut up some old t-shirts or sweat shirts. Plastic? You could use clean garbage bags, grocery bags or department store bags.....just cut to size.

RE: Brew--sounds good! When I started I didn't have the web to confuse me about roasts. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

RE: Brewing pot--I would invest in one if you can manage it. You'll be able to use it for other cooking projects....a good investment. I would think Faberware or Calphalon would be perfectly acceptable. I've seen these at thrift stores often.

RE: After--I think this issue dimply needs attention all day.. I usually drink a large homemade electrolyte drink when I get up in the morning and pay attention to that issue all day. I take my minerals at the evening meal.

A green drink is fine if you have time etc. IMO, just stay hydrated, pay attention to electrolytes in any way you enjoy and supplement with minerals. Bone broth is excellent...great as a hot drink during expelling process.

More latter.....must run for now...

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Thanks for starting to answer these! Additionally...

*So the bags are just under your hips?
*And I'm looking for stainless steel right?
*How do you personally make your electrolyte drink? Does the enema deplete it to the point of things like muscle cramping and palpitations?

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Hi 6Hypnone!!

Sorry for the absence. Been involved with family festivities and had very little computer time.

Back to comments....

Cleaning....the main thing is to rinse very well after use. I don't wash my bag again before using. It's important to let it dry naturally in the air whether a bucket or bag.

Coffee Container.....bucket sounds good.

Coffee Strength.....all I can say is experiment and see how your body responds.

Position.... I most always am on my back but right side is excellent. You will need extra padding for that position if your hips are sensitive.

Bags (plastic)......I use a bigger piece to cover my padding etc and a smaller piece directly under my hips with an old towel over that and about a 12 to 16 inch length of paper towel over that. I don't like to be in direct contact with the plastic.

Cooking pot.....yes, I use stainless. Look for Faberware or Reverware at your local thrift stores.

Electrolytes......I have never gotten so depleted of electrolytes that I'm getting cramps or palpitations. In fact I have A-Fib and have never stimulated an event by a Coffee Break. In my opinion those dangers are over exaggerated.

Having said that, IMO it's important to pay attention and stay hydrated and give our bodies electrolytes whether doing coffee enemas or not. Most of us are deficient in magnesium anyway.

I take my minerals in the evening. Again.....as long as I'm supplementing every day, I don't worry about it.

My electrolyte drink mixed in a 24 ounce jar:
1/8, 1/4 or 1/2 teaspoon of Celtic sea salt, Calm (magnesium), Potassium chloride (NOW brand). I use an equal balanced amount of each. The amount is based on how much magnesium I can tolerate that day (bowell tolerance). I add the juice of one large fresh organic lemon and powdered stevia sweetener to taste. It can be made warm or cold.

Others may have other ideas. You can also purchase various electrolyte drinks. Stay away from sugar.

Finally, I can't stress enough the importance of beginning with an evacuated colon as it potentially prevents most of the messy accidents that can occur. It took me a while to figure that out....wish I'd known that in the beginning!!!

Good luck.....let us know how it's going.

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PS...Yes, yes, yes.....the coffee must be carefully strained once brewed. You can purchase a fine stainless strainer with a handle at someplace like Ross, TJMax, Marshall's or other department or kitchen store. Look online.

Mine is 5 1/2 inches diameter across the top, a very common size. I also use mine to strain rice when I wash it. It's very handy in the kitchen.

Grounds in the tubing while the Coffee Break is in process is rather disconcerting!!!

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Thank you.

I found some numbers on bottom of a couple pots, like a fraction. nickel and something else. So I guess those are out.

I dont "go" necessarily at one specific time each day. It varies. Also can be from 1 to 3 times during the day. So absolutely no guarantee it'll be clear in that area b4 I do a cleanse. B/c I have no idea when I'll go.

For your homemade drink, can you estimate the amts of mag and pot chlor? I'm assuming it's a powder you're scooping in? Also i cannot have stevia or coconut. So may need nothing or honey or something. Most of store bought healthier one's have either or both of those.

Purelife has a super fine strainer, unlike store bought. I assume that is best?

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Have you gotten started yet??

Natural Vitality Natural Calm (powder) = 2 teaspoon 325 mg so 1/4 teaspoon is 40.6 mg.

Now Potassium Chloride Powder = 1/8 teaspoon is 365 mg

Nutrition of fresh lemon:
https://www.nutrition-and-you.com/lemon.html

You can google celtic sea salt for stats.

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PS

I haven't checked out all of the links in this thread. I was focusing on sharing my experience primarily. This may have been mentioned.

What I didn't mention is the "gurgle". I lost my gal bladder a few years ago so I no longer get the "gurgle" but it's important to be aware of it and listen for it.

This 25 minute video mentions it along with other useful information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xH-xHgwCJY&list=RDtggKaWAHKoo&index=2

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Thank u. No I have not started. I have to get the strainer and pot. The pot we have at home have %s and numbers on the bottom. I know one means nickle, can't remember the other. I assume those won't do...?
Does the mag have to be citrate (that's calms version right?) I take mag glycinate in cap form.
And you're saying add the celtic salts?
And no have not heard of that but will watch the vids.

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