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TickMenace
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Used the title of the NCBI published study.. from 2016.

There is helpful in-vitro data for various herbs, nutrients, vitamins, fruit extracts, to help show their effect on killing the three forms of Borellia.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4971593/


Backs-up a lot of what Dr H. has noted in transcripts online for his treatment protocols (if you search key words online you will find the source)

Question to Dr: Can MSIDS patients receive proper treatment and expect to recover 100% or when should we settle?

Answer: You know, it is an individualized issue. Many patients that I see will get up to 85, 90, 95%, but they still come in – many women come in and say, “Doc, I’m great 26 or 27 days out of the month, but right around my menstrual cycle – before, during, or after – I still have active symptoms.”

Well that usually means that you’ve got some organisms of the Lyme that are coming out when the estrogen levels are dropping. So that means the load of the organisms is not high in the body. You are going for weeks without having any symptoms. That means that you are in pretty good shape and some of those people could even try pulsing a regimen seven days a month right around the menstrual cycle to knock it down so you don’t have to stay on continuous antibiotics.

That could be something like Omnicef for the cell wall forms, Plaquenil or grapefruit seed extract for cystic form, Zithromax for intracellular, Malarone for Babesia, Nystatin to keep down yeast, Serrapeptase for biofilms.

You cover the cell wall, cystic, intracellular, biofilms, but you could be Lyme/Bart patient who your pulsed regimen might be your double intracellular. So it could be Doxy and Rifampin maybe with some herbs. It varies from patient to patient.

This is why when personalized, individualized medicine is done. You cannot generalize from one patient to another. The question is when should you settle? The question really is have you gone through all 16 points on the map and there are certainly patients who – antibiotics- you have gone through all of them, you may have to settle, but I don’t think most people who have done a regimens with Daptomycin or Rifampin Dapsone, Rifampin Pyrazinamide and again, I don’t know the answers whether these drug regimens will be effective.

I will know more at the end of the year when I put patients through these protocols, but what I would say is if you go through the MSIDS, and your hormones are in balance and you are sleeping, and you have treated the mitochondria, and you’ve treated the Lyme and you’ve been through reasonable herbal protocols – whether it is the Cowden protocol or the Samento/Banderol protocol, or the Byron White protocol with ALA-Bart, or traditional Chinese herbs with Coptis Ludhiana.

If you’ve gone through reasonable protocols and are generally well, but still have some symptoms, you may not need antibiotics, you can look at other integrative protocols.

There are people (I don’t do this myself) who go to integrative doctors who do oxidative therapies. They do IV ozone. They do IV hydrogen peroxide. They do hyperthermia. Some of these people do get help with some of these integrative therapies.

Once you’ve lowered the total load of organisms in your body, you may be able to use herbs and integrative therapies to get well. So I don’t think anyone really needs to settle, but I do think it is really individualized because ome people will say, “I have a really good quality of life. I feel a little sick here and there. I feel great.” Well then you shouldn’t have to do massive amounts of herbs, but I do have people generally stay on long term herbal protocols if they are not flaring.

I find Byron White, ALA-Bart can be effective long term and someone came in last week with 2.5 years of no symptoms after he did Byron White for a couple of years and stopped and he just started relapsing again.

We put him back on a month of antibiotics, but he’d also had a tick bite, so it really is individual with your doctor as far as what settled is, but just know that there are a lot of integrative protocols that you can do.


At what point would you recommend that patients change doctors? Many of us have gone through several.

Answer: My bias with this is that you have to know when your doctor is helping you. The problem, of course, with the Lyme community is that I am biased at this point towards integrative medicine because I started off – I’m a board certified internist and I started off just doing classical medicine with antibiotics.

But I saw early on in the course of this that if I didn’t do certain integrative protocols like doing DHEA cortisol saliva tests to test your cortisol levels, I would have missed a lot of adrenal cases. If I didn’t, for example, use glutathione, whether it be oral, liposomal, or IV – people wouldn’t get better because they need to detox.

Same thing with clay charcoal compounds for mold where people may check Real Time Lab testing. So I believe that even if you don’t change doctors there is a way to use a naturopathic doctor who might be able to work with your classically trained doctor to know these integrative protocols.

That is one way that you do not have to rotate doctors, but have a doctor who knows integrative medicine, like a naturopath. That is one way for patients to certainly get the help they need, but you definitely need someone who understands functional medicine.

If you don’t have someone who is able to help you with the detox, help you with the hormones, know some of these herbal protocols, it is very difficult to get people better without doing these integrative protocols.

So that is what I would suggest – always working with someone who does integrative medicine."

[ 03-13-2019, 03:25 PM: Message edited by: TickMenace ]

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Please break up your post into 2-3 sentence paragraphs, as there are people on Lymenet who cannot read large blocks of text due to neurological problems from Lyme.

To do this, click the "Edit Post" button above your post, make your changes, then click "Edit Post" at the bottom. Thanks.

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