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Charlie Fitzgerald
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Why haven't you reached remission when you're constantly treating with antiparasitic and antibacterial herbs after 5 years?

My opinion, has nothing to do with detox, heavy metals, other forms of parasites, mold, candida, or whatever... Sorry if this offends some, but remember, this is just my opinion, maybe it's not true, but hear me out.

We've made some super progress with Stevia and Dapsone protocol for treating lyme and babesia all at once.

My suspicion is Dapsone hit babesia and borrelia hard, but does not hit the dormant form of this parasite in the liver.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/124567?#000001
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/40630?#000000

A long time ago this was talked about some lyme patients on lyme net, those that took this combo helped them reach remission. Again, not a cure overnight, but definitely with rotating the combo, it helped some patients reach remission with Lyme/Babesia in a months time, versus 6 months to a year with Mepron/Malarone or any other antibiotics/antiparsitics that's been given to lyme patients for years.

Could herbs like Artmesia and Cryptolepsis possibly cure lyme and babesia like Stephen Buhner said? Possibly, but with the recent new study coming out from Yale, even most antiparasitic drugs don't effectively kill Babesia. Take that into perspective, then biofilms, and how Babesia has developed into a resistant parasite after overuse of Malarone/Mepron like Dr. Rawls said.

I think it's very much likely that this new drug tafenoquine ILADs posted about on Twitter is going to help cure lyme. It's very much likely that the dormant form of Babesia in the liver is what's keep lyme persistent. And it's very much likely most the patients that come down with Lyme are getting either 2 Bs or even 3Bs, again, then add biofilms in the picture, no wonder why some lyme patients are taking a decade to reach remission.

Sadly, I'm not sure why Pocono and some of the others that took the coartem/primaquine protocol share this more on the lyme forums. If you do your research, you'll find out that there's only one antiparasitic drug on the market that cures certain forms of Malaria that lay dormant in the liver and that's Primaquine. The new one will be Tafenoquine.

And for those that have all 3 Bs, I did hear that ILADs is working on a persister cell drug for Bartonella.

It's very much likely you'll probably have to go through 2 or 3 rounds or Coartem/Primaquine protocol in order to reach remission if you have Babesia/Borrelia infection. If you have all three, many who knows. You'll also have to use some form of biofilm buster like stevia with the Coartem/Primaquine protocol to make it work a lot more effectively.

This explains why years ago borrelia on its own was so easy to treat. Now with climate change, more ticks spreading and more pathogens mixing together with time, these pathogens becoming resistant with drugs, along with resistance from evolution, then put biofilms in the picture, we have one chronic resistant infection.

Believe me, the government and IDSA/CDC knows whats going on. ILADS/IDSA aren't seeing two different things under a microscope.

And don't get me wrong, even though "I don't think" mold and heavy metals are playing role in this multisystemic disease being chronic, you have to keep your kidneys and liver detoxed, whether it's supplemetns like liver aid, milk thistle, and alpha lipoic acid supplements at Walmart. Along with mainly drinking water and eating bake meats and vegetables. Also working out, whether it's just walking or running, lifting light, to moderate heavy weights.

There's enough information out there for lyme patients to reach remission. Sadly I think people are repeating history and just doing the same protocols over and over again with not much results.

Lot of great information on the web now, I'll probably be moving on with my life now, occasionally stop by from time to time, but I can't spend my entire time trying to convince lyme patients to try some of the protocols that worked for me. Hey, everyone has a different body chemistry, different strain of borrelia and babesia. What worked for me, may not work for you.

But I suspect the dormant form of Babesia in the liver could very much likely be why so many are staying sick. Imagine contracting Malaria and Lyme together, then Borrelia makes a protective layer over Babesia so pharmaceutical drugs are impenetrable.

I just hope the scientists and government officials that know this eventually reap what they sow, Dr. Lee and the lyme patients that are suing the CDC/IDSA for suppressing the science behind this chronic life threating disease need to be dealt with.

It's sad that corruption have reached to these heights within the Government of the United States. I suspect the lobbyism from big pharma and insurance companies is the cause of it. Along with CEOs of business taking political office in the US government.

And I sure hope after seeing the stock go down in Monsanto who merged with Bayer, the farmers and other workers who came down with cancer from Glyphosate take this corporation for all they're worth.

Sad thing is, I think there never will be a major win for human beings and this planet. I think it's possible for this planet and humans to heal themselves from the repercussions of glyphosate, GMOs, and all these chemicals. But at the rate we're traveling at, I think I have more faith in AI sorting out the corruption and greed within humanity.

Also, it's very likely that if you treat the dormant form of Babesia with the coartem/primaquine/stevia protocol, then treat the rest of your infection with herbs like CBD or THC cannabis, you can reach remission, possibly cured.

I suspect this is why CBD/THC oil, flowers, creams aren't working for some lyme patients.

I saw that LymeDisease.org shared a great article showing that cannabis was the third type of treatment that chronic lyme patients use.

It's not for everyone, I've found that the Sativa Cannabis form can seriously help clear up brain fog for lyme patients with neuro lyme.

And Indica cannabis can hit the borrelia form that hides in the joints.

Sativa can also give you serious anxiety and paranoia... And I'm not going to lie that some cannabis may lead to some people being depressed and commit suicide, also being a gateway drug if you get easily addicted.

But after using the herb for the last 3 years or so, is it just as magical as some say, my opinion, most definitely. Just got to properly dose and not go overboard or you may be end up in the hospital with serious anxiety, heart pounding a million miles an hour. But the great thing is, overdosing is likely impossible with cannabis.

Just stay away from edibles and resin form of cannabis and you should be fine if you go down this route, again though, I don't think cannabis treats the dormant liver form of babesia.

It's very likely that cannabis, however way you take, it can also keep your liver and kidneys detoxed. Also take milk thistle and alpha lipoic acid too of course, but there surmounting evidence that shows people who smoke cannabis with alcohol can protect their liver.
https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/neq3e8/weed-and-alcohol-liver?utm_source=vicelandfbus&fbclid=IwAR3dFw5HjyaQRlKoaHskRkpvOOv2n_ATawQCWkP3HwedGsN9fXiSNrMS-yc

I've been on the absolute strongest antibacterial drugs from Dapsone to Pyramazide, as long as you protect your liver and kidneys, replenish the good bacteria in your natural functioning microbiome, you'll be good to go for a very long time.

By no surprise to me why our government took out legal patents on this plant decades ago, probably big pharma CEOs who made their way into political office some time back in history. Most likely those who push people to take opioids instead.

And by the way, I very much suspect Disulfiram will also be somewhat of a miracle cure for Lyme Patients. As it possibly will very much likely drive out the persister/dormant cells out of hiding, allowing drugs like Primaquine or Dapsone to then kill them. Because that's what Disulfiram does, even with the AIDs virus, even with Cancer.

With the right protocol, I suspect using Disulfiram and something like cannabis together could very much cure a lot of forms of cancer. But I did hear some pharmacuetical company in Israel may have a cure for all forms of cancer, question is how much will it cost and will all insurance companies be able to afford it.

I think Doctors like Dr. Kim Lewis probably know this, probably just a matter of FDA approval of a Disulfiram and Tafenoquine protocol.

You know I hate the name of this damn drug, Tafenoquine, it's impossible to remember, I have to look up my old posts to remember it.

Maybe see some of you peeps in the afterlife? If so give me a hollar, I've done all I can do to educate the lyme community, good luck...

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Some more information on Healing Well https://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=4114992
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Great post Charlie Friz.
Definitely gonna bring it up at next LLMD appointment.

But my mind keep going back to Dr Aln MacDonald's research.
Nematodes/worms/parasites need to be addressed.

https://durayresearch.wordpress.com/about-2/7-provocative-findings-intro/

The problem with killing these nematodes is that it can be harmful or even kill the patient due to the toxins the dying nematode releases. It is that reson that treatment has to be throughly monitored by a doctor.

The latest theory is to not kill the nematodes but to kill bateria that the nematode feeds on in order to survive. One such drug is MINOCYCLINE. I am on Mino and can attest it is one potent drug. Had to take a break because I felt AWLFUL on it.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/ivermectin-nobel-drugs-elephantiasis-filariasis-nematodes-wolbachia/409306/

I also agree on medical cbd/cannabis with a ratio of 4 to 1 to start. It's so expensive to add yet another protocol to the ever growing protocol. It seems it's never ending.

Also wanted to add the theory of not treating viruses. Some researchers say kill the bateria that the viruses feed on. Some have gone so far as to say that infecting a patient with viruses is a way to kill deadly bateria/pathogens.

What's a Lyme patient to do???When will they find a cure ????

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quote:
Originally posted by Bartenderbonnie:
Great post Charlie Friz.
Definitely gonna bring it up at next LLMD appointment.

But my mind keep going back to Dr Aln MacDonald's research.
Nematodes/worms/parasites need to be addressed.


Possibly, look up artemesia, this both crosses the blood brain barrier and is antiparasitic, this has cured malaria.

I think Primaquine also crosses the blood brain barrier, along with the dormant form of babesia in the liver.

Maybe follow up with disulfiram to wake up the remaining dormant forms of borrelia.

Then take either Stephen Buhner Herbs, dominant stevia strain of cannabis or an antibiotic or antiparasitic that crosses the blood brain barrier. Then maybe indica dominant strain that gets to the rest of the lower body. And then presto, maybe you're in remission.

Either way, people with Babesia and Lyme should make progress with this protocol somewhere down the line.

Ended up in the hospital two days about, never had a herx like that before. I woke up out of my sleep, thought I was dieing. Heart pounding out of my chest.

They checked my bloodwork and I was completely fine. Dr. B wasn't kidding when the last herx is the worst. Like I described on Healing Well, it felt as if fluid released in my abdomen and I had blown my liver, except my liver is on my right side, not my left, where I felt it.

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I also agree on medical cbd/cannabis with a ratio of 4 to 1 to start. It's so expensive to add yet another protocol to the ever growing protocol. It seems it's never ending.


Yeah and cannabis builds up in the system so you have to be careful, the herxing, anxiety, etc... I learned my lesson, don't smoke the resin, lol. Too powerful! Herxing may be to severe, but hey, that may add to quicker remission. The cannabis plant also builds up in your system like the half life in traditional pharmaceutical drugs.


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Also wanted to add the theory of not treating viruses. Some researchers say kill the bateria that the viruses feed on. Some have gone so far as to say that infecting a patient with viruses is a way to kill deadly bateria/pathogens.


Someone mentioned to me this on Healing Well, my theory is if you treat the source of the problem, which is biofilms, borrelia persister cells, and dormant form of babesia in the liver. The immune system will take care of the rest, I also tested posistive for EBV and Parvo virus in early stages.

Bartonella persister cells may be another problem for some patients, but I heard ILADs is coming out with a drug for that soon on the market.

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I suspect once tafenoquine hits the market, this may be enough proof that a chronic infection exists with Lyme patients.

I also used Daraprim with Coartem and Chloroquine and Primaquine together, may be too much herxing for some.

I slept for 24 hours once, felt like two hole days.

Then when I thought I was through, the big herx from cannabis for the heart of the borrelia infection.

By the way, there are studies on the internet showing how Chloroquine makes Primaquine much more potent for hitting the dormant forms of Malaria in the liver.

I may have to follow up with disulfiram to wake up the remaining dormant persister cell forms of borrelia, then follow up with primaquine/coartem protocol again.

Gotta remember the amount of parasites and different forms of bacteria that probably lie underneath the remaining blobs of biofilms.

Again, I used Stevia with the Coartem/Primaquine protocol. As well as few drops of oregano essential in an empty capsule at times. Great biofilm busters.

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Charlie Fizgerald

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