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I've had this before, but not sure what they are or what causes them.

They are not petechiae because I have those as well and those are nothing like this...

I've had these for only about two days. They are smooth, cannot feel them, so it feels like they are in the skin or right underneath the skin.

Also, they fade away after a few days. They come and go...

Anyone else seen this/have this/know what they are???

Thanks!

Here's a pic:

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An allergy? Purpura? RMSF rash? Sorry, wish I could help...
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Adam - pretty sure it's not an allergy. I don't really have an allergy to anything that I know of.

Thanks for your input! [Smile]

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Anybody know if this is the bart rash?? I've never seen one, so I have no clue.

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quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
Anybody know if this is the bart rash?? I've never seen one, so I have no clue.

It could be Bart, because I had a positive test for it... but I was treated for it for approximately three months. [Eek!] So maybe it's not cleared up?

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It's not a typical bart rash. The typical bart rash almost looks like a stretch mark.

The picture looks like petechiae to me. What differentiates this from petechiae?

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Yeah, 3 mo may not be enough. It's rough stuff.

Hang in there!!! [group hug]

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quote:
Originally posted by Aniek:

The picture looks like petechiae to me. What differentiates this from petechiae?

Because I have petechiae as well and these are different from that (at least from the petechiae that I have). The petechiae I have are above skin and I can feel them and they are bright red and not purple. Whatever this is, is UNDER the skin, cannot feel them at all.

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Don't know. But I want to know.

daise [Smile]

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It's not on your ankles, is it?

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quote:
Originally posted by Lymetoo:
It's not on your ankles, is it?

No, not my ankles. My thigh.

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Do you notice this more after shaving?

I dont have exactly what you do, but I have rashes that come and go,

one of the LLMD's I went to saw it and said Strep loves to cling on after shaving.

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I had a similar rash that appeared in a sort of circular area above my knee last week. It came out after a hot bath, but disappeared by the next day.

I've had a variety of rashes on legs and one arm since last summer which are now fading. I thought yeast, but MD said no and hadn't seen anything like it before and didn't know what it was.

Mine started about 3 weeks after having a temp above 100 degrees for over a week last summer.

Are yours all over your thighs or just where they appear in photo?

Sorry, I'm really no help,but would love to know what causes them.

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Tutu, I have a rash that lingers around my ankle/shin. What is that?
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I also get rashes on my ankles...what is it?
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I have these on my arms and thighs, though not a big and concentrated. They are flat, and red. I was told they were petchaie (sp).

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I don't get them but do you think they could be related to Morgellon's Disease? They say people with Morgellon's also test positive for Lyme.

Just a thought...

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Sparkle - I don't think it's Morgellon's Disease because that says that you get persistent skin lesions and these aren't peristent.

It also says that the rashes and lesions do not heal.

What I have comes and goes/fades away.

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Serious causes of a petechial or purpuric rash include:
* meningococcal infection - the rash may start off as a blanching rash and your child may have fever. The rash can appear before your eyes. This is a very serious condition and can cause shock and death. Seek urgent medical attention
* idiopathic thrombocytopenia purpura - the rash is often more purpuric than petechial usually. Your child may just start off with large bruises that occur easily. The condition is caused by low platelets, which are the clotting cells in the blood. It usually resolves by itself over time, but sometimes treatment is required. See your doctor to confirm that this is the condition
* leukemia - this is a cancer of the bone marrow and causes low blood cells, including the clotting cells. Children may also be pale and prone to infection. Treatment is successful so see your doctor early
* severe infection - any infection if severe enough may interfere with the normal body clotting system and if your child is sick and has a petechial or purpuric rash, you need to seek urgent medical attention
Other causes of a petechial or purpuric rash include:
* viruses - particularly enterovirus infection
* Henoch-Schonlein Purpura - a condition that involves the skin, joints, gut and kidneys. It usually resolves by itself and no treatment is required but it is helpful to see a doctor to confirm the diagnosis
* pressure - such as tight clothing
* forceful vomiting or coughing - if this is the cause the rash is on the upper chest or face only

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I'm not sure what you have. I do have sensations of itching or bubbles bursting under my skin at times. I just mentioned Morgellons since it may be a variation of Lyme. Maybe there is a component of skin issues due to the specific strain of Lyme? Just an educated guess...

I've heard that colloidal silver helps some people with Morgellons. I think there are some forms of colloidal silver that you can use on the skin. You have to make sure it can be used topically since I have heard of people using straight colloidal silver on their skin & getting burns from it.

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This is exactly like my daughter's Bart rash!

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quote:
Originally posted by shazdancer:
Tutu, I have a rash that lingers around my ankle/shin. What is that?

Well, I got something on my ankles many years ago [had lyme, didn't know it] and my dr said to take Vitamin C.

It went away within a week. He said the capillaries were weak and bleeding into the skin.

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Sure looks like petechiae to me......maybe just different from the others you have? My petechiae didn't look like this either. Mine were random all over my body. I didn't have this many in one spot.

It looks like blood right under the surface of the skin, like from capillaries. Doesn't look like a rash at all to me.

It's very different from the bart rashes I've seen also.

There are other great images of petechiae on Google images:

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I have some theories although they may be totally wrong. It looks like petechiae to me and you said your petechiae on other parts of your body are raised and I may be wrong but I thought petechiae are flat and under the skin and are broken capillaries. (mine are not raised)

Also, mine are getting better but were at their worst when my POTS syndrome was at it's worst. One component of POTS is blood vessels not constricting properly to normalize your blood pressure resulting in low blood pressure. When this happens, blood can pool in your extremities.(My definition may not be the best by the way. If you're not familiar w/POTS I could send you a link)

I wonder if petechiae from broken/weak capillaries is one aspect of this as my POTS is better now and so are my petechiae.

Could you have POTS? Do you have low BP?

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Although I do not specifically recognize it, I know Dr M would think of Bartonella with weird rashes in Lyme patients.

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Hi everyone,

On my lower left leg I've had "something" for over three years.

Slightly raised, red, distinct and larger than the second photo on this thread. It doesn't look like disturbedme's rash (or whatever.)

Skin cells have been shagging off--for over three years, too.

The biggest is almost 1/4 inch. Most are less than 1/8 inch.

Most have a straight, small lesion.

Petechiae?

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It sure looks like petechiae to me. I have petechiae and it is under the skin and flat not raised. If it is raised it is probably cherry angiomas.
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I have something similar on my arm. My LLMD was very currious about whether it was on other areas of my skin, and did a full skin exam. She had mentioned Bartonella. Definitely show this to your doctor and get blood tests for Thrombocytopenia and anemia.

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Hi

Babs causes a rash that looks similar
to that --

The bumps come and go --are raised --
but small --

They usually have a nerve type reaction
where you scratch one on leg and feel in
on your back ect --

They also have a ruff feel to them
when healing -

Can Itch Really bad but not always --

Babs rash also tends to increase around
joint areas before Joint pain flairs up
in the joint locations --
Shoulders knees hands ect --Jay--

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Some abx's can cause this.

I also had similar rashes sporatic on my arms one here or there but when i treated babs i got them on my lower legs. Mepron?

Bed bugs? Mite bites ?No offence intended.

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I get this on my fingertips. It is not itchy or painful until they burst and the skin peels away. Then my fingertips become very sensitive to hot, cold and touch of any kind.

My doctor says it is strep and a search on the internet found articles about this. Seems to only happen to very young children and people with severely suppressed immune systems.

The articles all say you are picking up the strep externally. My doctor did not say but many times throughout treatment she comments about my strep. I keep testing negative for strep but she is not buying that. She says I have all the symptoms. I absolutely had strep throat every year of my childhood and in my twenties I had a case of strep on the brain and two cases of strep in my cervical spine area.

So, I am hoping my fingertips is the strep being run out of my body and not vice versa.

Once I understood this is a bacteria, I rubbed raw honey (great on burns, wounds, etc for its anticeptic, antiviral, antibacterial properties)on the tips, put bandaids over them just before going to sleep. It only took two nights to heal the skin completely. Before, each episode has taken weeks to heal.

I have not had this anywhere other than my fingertips.

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My petechia pop when my Babesia is out - Apparantly its typical with Babs although they look nothing like this.

It looks like bart to me especially if its on the thighs as bart comes out mostly on the thighs and buttock apparantly - It DOES NOT have to be linear or stretch mark rash's it can be big pustules or rashes similar to this.

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There can be many and varied rashes with these diseases....

Frankly you were talking about the "raised areas around the red marks" were you not?

They are very hard to distinguish on your photo.

I think everyone is looking at your red pinpoint type thingys and not at the harder to see raised

white just under the skin thingys you are asking about...that's why everyone is calling it a rash.....am I right or wrong?

In any event the stuff that raises up from under the skin I have had on my hands around the first knuckles of either hand...

usually however starting at the little fingers base/back of hand bi-latterally.

No one has mentioned psoratic arthritis yet....and I believe that is what I have had and possibly what daise was describing....

That stuff shows up either prior to, with or after arthritis shows up at the joint...

but this stuff is not necessarily at or over any joints are they?

One of my major flares brought with it symptoms that were exactly like "CELLULITIS"....

an infection of the fatty layer just under the top layer of skin....

discoloration is still with me....they were red at one time which all turned brown,

and kind of melted into a few larger patches....like a horse has socks....

Don't know exactly....better ask your llmd....

A dermatologist duck will say..."OH that's just contact dermatitis"...and walk away!...lol

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Are you taking aspirin or another blood thinner such as warfarin(coumadin)or heparin injections?

These drugs and some foods can cause an unraised rash of pinpoints.

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disturbedme: I have these exact things....Mine have been happening for the past few years.

Mine are also smooth and under the skin and my dermatologist was not sure what caused them.

Mine are sporadic and mostly on my chest, tummy, breasts and forearms. I only have a few here and there but more and more are appearing.

Thanks for the picture.

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During this past winter, my son had the same as the second picture presented - on his feet extending up his legs. We were told it was mild vasculitis and to increase the Vitamin C. We did this and it subsided but took a couple of months.
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