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ms dixie
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First, I will begin with the statement that I was a parasite skeptic, til I started ivermectin. Then I tried fenben( substitute for albendazole ) and pyrantel. With each of these , I suffered massive painful herxing . The herx was as intense as the herxes I experienced with antibiotics .

My question is how do you stop the replication? I have been rotating parasite meds and with each beginning, I still suffer nasty herxing. This begs the question, when does it get easier? How do you get rid of these monsters? After a year , I am still having nasty die off .

I have read that clove capsules prevent replication, but this appears to be speculation- I think from Hulda Clark. I am not finding any scientific info or study on BLOCKING parasite replication. And as long as they are reproducing , the misery is endless!!

How can a person really make visible progress? The drugs are DEFINITELY killing parasites as they cause classic die off . And each drug causes the same herxing hell, so I KNOW that parasites are a problem. I just wish I could see progress and not have to experience die of forever with chills , fatigue , sore lymph nodes .
Will there ever be a way out ? I am afraid to stop treating them, yet the treatment from die off is so exhausting.

It seems the replication must be prevented ....

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Well, I was going to suggest cloves.

I don't know if there are any scientific studies out there for cloves.

But with parasites like Ascaris, one Ascaris lays 200,000 eggs a day.

So cloves are cheap, and are reputed to kill the eggs.

Worth a shot, IMO.

Maybe try cloves for 3 months and see if the herxing is reduced.

Also sea salt and vitamin C may work as well. Dehydrate those eggs.

I am sorry you've been battling those parasites for so long!

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Hulda Clark says that the meds must be rotated. I dont recall the exact process but something like a week or two of cloves, a week or two of wormwood, a week or two of green black walnut hulls. Repeat this two or three times. I did this about 7 years ago and it worked well. In the energy tesing I did all my numbers went down and I felt better too.

You might also try a zapper too.

What kind of parasites are you after?

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I also think (and am finding) the health of your GI tract makes a difference.

I had to give up carbs, and any foods that inflame my GI tract, add coconut oil, anti- inflammatory supplements, etc.

After fighting parasites aggressively for a long time and antibiotics, my gut was a mess (and it was a mess before all that, too, I went a long time not realizing)

Bring up the body's health, immune system.
I know Gael has stated she mixes cloves with her morning coffee.

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Are you seeing any visible signs of parasites exiting in the toilet? This is important as sometimes they get stuck in the lower colon. Warm water enemas or even colonics can be very important to release toxins and dieoff.

You might want to try some antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy and salt/c to get them moving out. I also find the combo of the extra cloves and salt helpful in killing eggs.

Gael

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ms dixie
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The eggs appear to die with pyrantel . At least it appears there are many tiny seed looking organisms that follow the pyrantel.

How do we KNOW cloves stop Replication? How did Hulda Clark verify this? I am afraid it might be a folk medicine myth .

Incidentally , I do KNOW kerosene WAS medicinally and safely used in years past for parasites. I am not advocating such, but know many of our elders were given it commonly. There are quite a few articles to be found on medicinal kerosene . ( Yes it sounds weird , but so do coffee enemas which were in Merck manual).

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You might want to look up health benefits of cloves. They are reported to antibacterial and clove oil is used for pain. Those facts alone were reasons enough for me to take cloves.

You can also research on what kills parasite eggs. If you are not seeing larger parasites appear such as worms or what's pictured on www.lymephotos.com, again I would suggest using the combo of herbs and salt/c. The sea salt puts the parasites into osmotic shock (dehydrates them) Much like when some puts salt on a worm, they shrivel up and die.

I took six mos of VERY strong antiparasitic herbs, but it wasn't until I added salt/c did I start seeing a MASS exodus of parasites for mos. The same ones pictured on lymephotos was what I saw exit from me. The sesame seed looking organisms you are seeing are reported to be tapeworm segments.

For me, "seeing was knowing I was on the right track. Parasites are masters at survival and you have to be VERY persistent.

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ms dixie
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Many parasites can NOT be seen. But they certainly can be FELT as they exit .I sense , in my case , they are dying. But the process never ends , nor the die off. This tells me that they continue reproducing. I think cloves are worth trying , but I am just saying that the idea of using them appears anecdotal and not backed up by any science I find. I am aware that cloves contain eugenol, which kills fungi and bacteria. But I simply can not locate any scientific articles about cloves blocking replication. I do know it was a claim by Huldah Clark.

I do not think I need salt /c to KILL them I believe the herbs and parasite drugs are KILLING them. But the endless process makes me believe they reproduce easily.

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If you can't get rid of them perhaps you need to do more to boost your immune system? Are you doing anything particular for that?

On many of the herbal protocols that have been used over the years you will not find "scientific" evidence to validate your decision to use or not.

Ive been told by naturopaths that parasites will often flourish when there are lots of heavy metals in the body. Have you tried a heavy metal detox?

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