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Truesun
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Hi, I know many of you are smarter than my Drs. when it comes to Lyme and associated infections. I have Coxsackie B really badly now and it is in my heart and has my spleen swollen. When I take Motrin for pain relief, I get a low grade fever and wipe out for hours. Could this be because the Cox 2 inhibition and that is does something with my immune system response. I remember reading something about PE 2 Cox inhibition but I can't remember the details.
I know one of you will have the answer and I wonder if Motrin could act as an antiviral???
Anyone?
Thanks, Truesun

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I'll leave those smart in matters of the COX and immune system to answer your main questions. However, adverse symptoms could be from kidney stress. MOTRIN tablets contain the active ingredient ibuprofen.

Ibuprofen can be hard on the kidneys. If that is what is going on, increased toxicity can raise body temperature.

(Unfortunately, acetaminophen is hard on the liver and on the ears -- and NSAIDS can really rip up the stomach.)

Curcumin/Turmeric may offer pain relief. In some reports, it equals that of either ibuprofen or acetaminophen.

Cordydalis is also a consideration for help with pain relief.

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http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/16/us/kidney-peril-found-in-the-pain-reliever-ibuprofen.html

Kidney Peril Found in the Pain Reliever Ibuprofen

The New York Times - April 16, 1990

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http://kidney.niddk.nih.gov/kudiseases/pubs/analgesicnephropathy/

Analgesic Nephropathy (Painkillers and the Kidneys)

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http://www.tillotsoninstitute.com/important-herbs/turmeric-root-curcuma-longa.html

TURMERIC ROOT (Curcuma longa)

WHAT IT DOES: Turmeric root is bitter in taste and warming in action. It strongly reduces inflammation and mucus in all parts of the body, protects the liver, lungs and intestines . . . .

(Tillotson, et.al.)

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search for Medical Abstracts:

Turmeric - 1517 abstracts

Curcumin - 3176 abstracts

Curcumin, pain - 25 abstracts

curcumin, antimicrobial - 20 abstracts

curcumin, antiviral - 33 abstracts

Curcumin, inflammation - 291 abstracts

Curcumin, COX - 141 abstracts

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From Vitamin Research Products Library:

http://www.vrp.com/ArticlesSearch.aspx?k=Curcumin

Search results for Curcumin - 46 Articles Found

one of those:

http://tinyurl.com/y8bd9k2

Curcumin Prevents Some Stress-Related Changes

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CORYDALIS
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http://www.itmonline.org/arts/pain.htm

SIMPLE TRADITIONAL FORMULAS FOR PAIN

Shixiao San, Jin Lingzi San, Liang Fu Wan, and Baishao Gancao Tang

by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional Medicine, Portland, Oregon

excerpt:

. . . Corydalis and trogopterus enter the liver and spleen meridians. Both are able to promote blood circulation and remove congealed blood. They are very effective for relieving pain. . . .

- Full article at link above.

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

PubMed Search:

Corydalis - 285 abstracts

Corydalis, pain - 8 abstracts

Corydalis, liver - 4 abstracts

Corydalis, inflammation - 3 abstracts (one lead to Curcumin)

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This is an excellent formula, intended for use before going to bed (follow instructions and caution with driving until you get used to it. Do not mix with sedative or alcohol).

This is also part of a lyme protocol.

http://www.hepapro.com/hepapro_product.htm

See #28 - HerbSom

Ingredients; Corydalis root, jujube seeds and Schisandra fruit.

Jujube is also called zizyphus. Schisandra is also spelled schizandra. Both can be searched at PubMed and at The One Earth Herbal Sourcebook ( http://oneearthherbs.squarespace.com )

Schisandra in this formula is very helpful for the liver. JuJube is calming.

As corydalis makes me sleepy, I reserve it for night when needed. I can use curcumin day and/or night. They can be used together.
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timaca
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For info on enterovirus see: www.enterovirusfoundation.org (Coxsackie B is an enterovirus).

I have used oxymatrine to beat it back, and it has worked. My story is here:
http://hhv6foundation.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=antiviral&action=display&thread=200

I haven't posted the latest update, for I'm waiting until I see my doctor this week...then I'll post.

Best, Timaca

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Truesun
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Timaca, Thanks a million.

Truesun

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Timaca, your story link doesn't work.
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