Topic: Cavitations - Need info (kind of urgently please)
Tammy N.
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Really need some help here. I think I may be having an issue. And it's starting to feel more urgent.
I had a wisdom tooth pulled in early March (along w/3 amalgams removed). Since then, I feel worse than usual. I had major adrenal mis-firings, panic, etc. afterword (like nothing I ever felt before!!) Since then, I think I've had mold exposure (not sure if that can affect the healing of where the tooth was pulled).
Also, a root tip broke off during the extraction. My biological dentist said it would be a non-issue (?), and that my body would probably push it out. I think that may be happening since I feel a bump under one side of the gum, when I feel with my tongue (which makes me happy my body is doing it's job). But now, lately, I feel even more ill. Slightly feverish and slightly swollen glands.
How are cavitations diagnosed? I'd like to be absolutely sure.
Have you personally done cavitation surgery? Who did you go to? How do you feel now?
I just went for a consult with another bio dentist in PA and was not pleased. She wanted to do 4 cavitation surgeries (where wisdom teeth were) plus replace all 11 of my composite fillings (why?). ALL IN ONE SITTING. And for a huge cost.
I don't believe my whole mouth needs that type of overhaul. And the cavitations were determined by muscle testing. Also ultrasound was done, but still wasn't clear to me how that 'diagnoses' cavitations.
Who can I go to that is excellent and can be trusted?
Thank you.
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what is caviations? I had two teeth pulled a few months ago due to the fact that they broke in half and all my wisdom teeth pulled.
I also felt liek I had a pointy bump in one area for months that hurt at times, but finally went away. I did not see a biological dentist? I dont think? It was my regular dentist with novacaine shots and he gave me amoxcillin after to take and all was well.
I was not any more ill feeling than I was before. Are these special dentists that you see and my llmd never mentioned seeing them, so I dont know what to tell you about doign so much work at one time. Sounds really "over the edge" and alot of money.
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Tammy - tried to PM you but your mailbox is full
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Tammy N.
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Nana - I cleaned out my box. Thanks so much.
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a friend of mine and i went to montreal and got excellent care in amalgam and root canal removal...and major cavataion surgry
he had more done than me
i can put u in touch with him or give you the docs name if you want
it was much cheaper for us
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Tammy N.
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lpkayak - thanks! Yes, please send me a pm with your friends info, and the docs name. Really appreciate it.
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If someone had time can you tell me what cavation surgery is? and root canal removal?
I have never heard of them before. thank you
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I think you are smart to check into cavitation and toxicity from it.
I also would wonder if it's possible you had some mercury exposure and this set off your anxiety/panic attacks et al.
Could very well be.
Dr K writes that mercury inhibits an enzyme that breaks down adrenaline. Therefore it causes or exacerbates anxiety, panic attacks etc.
Hal Huggins DDS MS writes that mercury can be stored for decades in brain, spinal cord, and bones if not properly detox'd after amalgams are taken out.
It can be and is inhaled during drilling, little bits swallowed through the holes in the rubber dam can set off auto-immune attack, lots of things can happen as fillings are removed.
Detox therapy would be key no matter what. ANd again yes, check into cavitations.
You are smart, Tammy.
All will be okay in the end, or such is what I really do believe, just need a good (and safe!) detox is my suggestion. I hope this will help you, a lot. Of course I am not a doctor and there may be many variables...talk to your doctor...
My acupuncturist swears by Metalloclear by Metagenics because it not only removes the metals from teh cells (Chelates) but very importantly, it also helps the liver to produce enzymes that aid the breakdown of mercury in the body. Terribly important to prevent "Detoxification from becoming retoxification" as Hal Huggins puts it aptly.
Make sure there is no leaky gut before starting detox therapy!
I hope this is helpful.
Sending best wishes, CI Ps you could contact...Foundation for Biological Dentistry, Hal Huggins www.drhuggins.com or Weston Price Foundation for further leads.
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Hi Annier Here is a book that will blow your mind:
Root Canal Coverup by George Meining, DDS
You won't believe it.
Shows before/after pictures...
When they take out the tooth that had previously had root canal surgery done, and place it under the skin of a rabbit, the rabbit develops the exact same illnesses as the human host. Things like...pussy throat glands, pinkeye, more....the photos are not to be believed. Very stirring.
Cavitations: Infections or pockets under the gum/tooth that hold bacteria and cause health impact because of the bacteria.
Why root canals cause health harm:
Dr Meining's book contains one xray image that is suppressed information in dental schooling. He said in all of his dental schooling plus 35 years of practice, he had never seen such an xray. Yet here it is, plain as day, and he is blowing the whistles in his book....
Microscopic tunnels called dentin tubules in the teeth, harbor bacteria that are trapped within them, in those tiny little tunnels. The xray shows the bacteria plain as day. Little round dots appearing in the tubules.
Yet the tooth tests sterile and dental schooling says that root canal teeth don't cause infections or illness.
Nonsense.
Here is why:
When they operate on the tooth (From which the nerve root has died, so the tooth is decaying along with it) the bacteria are packed into the deep insides of the tooth because the roots are firmly sealed off with dental filling materials. Firmly packed, so the bacteria can't get out of the tooth.
The bacteria then migrate into the tubules. And as before the tooth tests sterile, because the tubules inside the teeth are deep inside and the bacteria are safely walled off by the tunnels themselves.
Now the mischief begins.
The tooth is now dead, and brittle. Root canal teeth tend to break easily after a certain point in time. Also the enzymes involved in the decay are themselves unhealthy, think about it.
Dentists reimplant the (remember, decaying/dead tooth) and the bacteria adapt to becoming anaerobic. So they require no oxygen for their survival. And their toxins become more virulent than before.
These concentrated toxins from the mutated bacteria leach out through the enamel layers of the dead tooth, right into the mouth.
And cause illness.
Unfortunately, it usually takes at least six months or even two years for sypmtoms to develop. So the illness is not usually correlated to the root canal surgery.
I myself developed Graves Disease 18 months after this root canal surgery was done and FYI I am the only one in the family who has ever had either one. IE: Graves Disease or any root canal therapy.
I had that root canal tooth pulled and then recovered afterward using medication.
We got the Graves fully under control...well that's a whole other whistle blowing story. Off topic only briefly, then will return to make a point that sews this all nicely together.
I researched the radioactive iodine used to kill an overactive thyroid and let's just make a long story short, that the European studies across the board (about 6 of them) were unanimous and vociferous and said just the opposite about the "side effect"----leukemia---from the drug as the American studies did. American studies,also looked up multiple ones to be sure I really got the facts...oh yes, what a fine and good drug, only the occasional "Side effect" of leukemia. European reports were vociferous and I am quoting exactly, "this is an extremely dangerous drug and should only be used as a last resort, when operations are contra-indicated. Side effects of leukemia are widely under-reported". My endocrinologist actually and literally shouted at me when I refused the drug. He was fighting and fighting me, and I Dug my heels in and stayed my course. Finally he relented only to tell me, after hounding and harrassing and humiliating me (or trying to), that there in fact is another drug which works. My god! A longterm one. You see, said another insider in the medical world, the insurance co's "encourage" the docs to prescribe the radioactive killer, because it's a one-time dose so it costs them less, very few followups required, only a short hospital stay, etc...so that's very convenient for them, isn't it. Oh my.
Sorry to go off topic Tammy but here is where it all connects.
Basically, this led me to realize that the FDA and ADA (American Dental Association) too, are not up to any good.
Further research and reading has only confirmed this *pattern* and you had better believe it is a *pattern* and an ongoing one too. They do not have public health and interest in mind. Sorry.
I have MANY, MANY! links and facts to prove this.I could write a long thread about this, but just am not particularly in the mood. But I could oh yes indeed.
Anyway I hope this answers your question.
Any dentist who tells you that root canals are not a health hazard has themselves not been told the truth. The ADA is on a sales mission and some in the ADA may themselves not even know. They are not at fault for what they have not been told.
George Meining's book is stirring, the photographs will give you chills. And it's very fact based.
Check it out.
Best wishes, CI ps and I have decided never to have root canal surgery ever again. I will have a tooth pulled before ever doing such a thing. I also have thoughts about not ever using implants, to ward off auto-immune attack. Another long subject....
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So how do you replace the teeth that you pull out? I am about to have a permanent implant so Ican chew my food better. I have never had a root canal, thank God!! Due to not being able to open my jaw wide enough (car accident) I have to have the teeth pulled that break on me.
I have three molars in the back that broke and were pulled, so I should not replace them? Gonna look like a serious hillbilly soon.
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Tammy N.
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Thanks friends for your thoughts and PMs.
Annier - Dentures are an option... and there are good ones now.
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his website...search " caviatations"...hopefully you will find some
answers there...I am not advocating anything there...just found it
informative when I first came across cavitations...you may already
know more on it though...just another resource...
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Cool, Karensky!
Yes dentures...I Have a gap in my mouth too and it's time to fill it.
Annier:
Now don't take this from me because I would hate to steer anybody wrong. But yes, a dentist told me that the temporary dentures actually do end up lasting several years and are much cheaper than the permanent ones.
But then again I would hate to suggest such a thing and then have it give out on you....up to you.
The reason why I suggest no implants:
Anything that is "non-self" to the immune system causes auto-immune attack and tissue degredation. Bone loss et al.
Yeah they say they have studied it and found certain metals to be non-reactive and others just fine.
I don't believe those studies, I remain skeptical.
For one thing, some studies can be biased based on who is paying for them. There is a pattern to this, trust me I Have discovered this for myself and really seen it.
But for the rest, based on the self/non-self concept in the body, anything foreign to the body is prone to attack by the immune system. Period. This means tissue degredation, immune imbalance and other disorders arising because of that. Not my cup of tea. (I am not a doctor, so this is only one layperson's thinking out loud. I could be wrong but this seems to be my strong suspicion, so far).
That's why I too am inclined to go for dentures. I don't like the idea of foreign objects screwed into my jawbone.
Also to test prior for biocompatible materials. A biocompatibility test will help you to choose materials that are less likely to cause allergic or immune system reactions in your own body.
Important for health.
I also think routine detoxification is important in our society ipso facto, but particularly with dentures/fillings in the mouth, we will need ongoing detox. PVC's from plastics leach into the body and are stored in fatty tissue, contributing to breast cancer. I would want to look into what the materials are made of and how many PVC's they have. I wonder if acryllic might be a lot less noxious than plastic dentures, for example, but don't know what materials are used so am just talking off the top of my head.
Routine milk thistle is a toxin blocker for the liver and also protects kidney tissue to some extent. Above and beyond, to do routine herbs which actually detoxify, and lots of juicing, vegetable soups et al, would be key.
Lots of juicing and fairly decent detox info in Linda Rector Page, ND's book Healthy Healing, reference in healthfood stores nation-wide.
Natural Therapy for your Liver, another good book to own.
The 1200 page reference manual Alternative Medicine: The Definitive Guide has a good chapter about biological dentistry. You could look for it in the library or healthfood stores, and sit down to read the whole chapter. Lots and lots of good info which sheds a lot of light on health. I also was surprised to see the giant reference manual on Amazon for about $29 because it's paperback. A good investment!
Here is one of many older posts from me re wisdom teeth, cavitations, root canals. Do a search here using any of these subjects and/or Christopher Hussar. Search the internet for his writings.
I had every one of these problems and only by taking care of them is how I eventually got well. The contaminated jaw is very attractive to the pathogens.
Take care.
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Tammy N, I sent you a PM about the biological dentist is the Montreal area. He uses the Huggins protocol. I had extensive dental work completed there and it has really made my life better.
Lyme disease apparently makes a person prone to dental problems. Or maybe it is also the other way around. It you have dental problems, then Lyme disease can probably be more agressive.
I was limited on how far I could improve with the help of an excellent LLMD until I got the dental work completed. No doubt, I continue to detox from the mecury, but my life is good now.
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I heard from a very sick lyme patient on facebook that is having ozone shots into her neck by Dr K to treat her dental infections.
She swears it is helping her and she was so sickly that she was bedridden and on morphine at the age of 21. There must be something to it since he is a very reknowned llmd.
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GiGi,
I have/had what I believe are cavitations in my mouth, and after reading this thread, the link you provided, and a little googling, am confused about what is being said and recommended.
About a decade ago, I had pain in/under/around a couple teeth on the bottom left of my mouth. Someone, a naturopath but not a dentist, suggested it was probably a cavitation, and suggested using Premier Research Labs medi-dental pack (clay) with their mineral oil for 15 minutes a day for a while to clean it up. This worked, in that it put an end to the pain, even to this day.
About a couple months ago, same thing happened on the bottom right of my mouth around one tooth, and the same treatment worked to put an end to the pain. Interesting that both presumed-cavitation locations are the very places I have had the mercury fillings put in, and then about a decade ago removed and replaced with plastic. Probably not a coincidence.
But I have never had any wisdom teeth or any other teeth removed, or any other dental surgery other than the fillings I just discussed. Much of what I am reading here on cavitations suggests they come from incomplete root canals or other incomplete removals of teeth.
So perhaps in my case they are not cavitations at all. But certainly they were something, and I have to admit to being leery that there still could be a problem there. Removal of pain is great, but not necessarily proof that all is completely well there.
But what to do? Does this sound like cavitation? And what if it is? What would the treatment be? Sounds like that dentist you reference fixes cavitations by recleaning it all out. It seems that couldn't be done without removing the teeth, and if that's really important, so be it, but it would have to be, because removing what is now a live tooth will have repurcussions regarding meridians and all that. I heard all about that when X-rays revealed that one of my front top teeth is dead--it got damaged when I fell and hit it on some ice as a teenager.
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Having such weird symptoms is not only a detox reaction but fighting an infection. Imagine by removing the tooth you woke up an infection under the jaw. Now there are two methods for treating this, surgery or ozone. Surgery to scrape the bone clean of the infection or ozone to kill the infection as it exists. Both have their pluses and minuses. Surgery can take a while to heal and will tax your body energetically. Ozone is less invasive but by killing the infection your body has to remove the toxic waste (lots of NAC and binders).
I'd choose ozone therapy everytime for cavitations unless surgery was the only alternative.
Then its a matter of the practioner.
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