MariaA
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The following are links to a few threads in which herbal medicine is discussed for Lyme and yeast- mostly those herbs from Stephen Buhner's protocol from his book Healing Lyme, along with a few other protocols relying primarily on herbal treatment.
Some guidelines: -Let's keep this thread concise and only about herbs (some discussions cover more but are mostly about herbs)- Let's keep it from becoming too long to read. -Please post only links and brief descriptions. -Please dont post advice or make this thread into a discussion. Let's keep it organized. - Please don't post about other alternative treatments if they're not herbal (ie rife, lightworks, prayer, etc. Sorry.)
Please note: although these herbs can be purchased without a prescription, there can be side effects and you should do this under a doctor's direction. Some posters below indicate they have had serious side effects from some of the herbs. Do not take these herbs without AT LEAST reading Stephen Buhner's book. This thread does NOT give you enough information to self-treat safely!!!
Remember that some of the positive experiences on this forum are the same people posting over and over again. Not everyone has the same experiences with herbal treatment or herbal-and-antibiotic treatment. Some of the posters who report positive experiences are doing many other forms of treatment besides Buhner herbs alone.
The Buhner book contains a 30-page bibliography of studies which support his conclusions, and those references are a good start for more information that may help you evaluate whether to try this treatment.
Our testimonials on the Internet are not a substitute for a decent LLMD's advice and guidance.
******************** Links to Buhner's book and updates:
Stephen Buhner's book Healing Lyme: http://tinyurl.com/y4wgbk (amazon.com link, includes good reviews)
"I think sarsaparilla doesn't agree w/me": taking herbs/drugs in smaller doses than prescribed nausea from sarsaparilla sforsgen mentioning ART testing problems for some with sarsaparilla
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maria, please copy your thread and paste it to TREEPATROL'S NEWBIE LINKS archives; will be great to have many links in ONE place; thanks.
when treepatrol returns sometime, he will eventually bring his archives up to date with new additions; he's been sick off/on and his dad is really bad right now.
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Thanks for putting together this very comprehensive list, Maria. Very helpful.
Tracy
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MariaA
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below is a single category for semi-related topics that were hard to separate: Dr Klinghardt's treatment for Lyme, Detoxification (not just Klinghardt's ideas), Chlorella, metals/amalgams/mercury
thread about a 34-page paper by Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, MD PhD (Seattle), who incorporates Buhner's protocol (along with detoxification, treatment of coinfections and parasites, various naturapathic methods, salt/C, and many other treatment methods) http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=050656
long thread about antibiotics not working in a very long-term ABX case- people suggest/discuss various things that might be the problem or that may help. Generally not antibiotics focused thread. Discusses Rechtsregulat, hypercoagulation, root canals as a source of problems, more. Very conflicting advice in this thread:
Old, mid-2005 thread that predates the Healing Lyme book- this one covers alternatives to antibiotics, which includes very detailed post from Gigi about the many therapies that she and her husband followed, from Dr Klinghofer's protocols (dr K has since then taken on a lot of suggestions form Buhner and other research that has come to light since that time):
herxing and herx control: long discussion of different people's experiences with herxing or not herxing on herbs, and whether their symptoms improved anyway. Some discussion of sarsaparilla and red root and other detoxfication protocols:
Thanks for collecting this info in one place. There are a few threads I can think of to add -- will dig these out of my files and post the links in the next week or so.
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Thanks so much for collecting these links!!
Very helpful to have them in one spot
Blessings Dana
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Thank you so much Maria! You have just saved many people hours of headaches and stress Posts: 588 | From Rhode Island | Registered: Jun 2006
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MariaA
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How about the website [email protected] -- it's a very busy discussion site on the Buhner protocol
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treepatrol
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I put these in Newbie Links.Under herbs Page 4.
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MariaA
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Please note I have not updated this thread in quite a while, and recommend that you also also use the 'search' function and search on different members' names for 'recent posts' to find more information about protocols the old threads talk about.
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What a wonderful source of information for us! Thank you.
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MariaA
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bumping this to the top again, please note that most of the threads I've archived are a year or more old at this point. Do search here for more recent information if something doesn't make sense.
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MariaA
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Thank you for updating us with some posts, but a request:
-please don't post advice in this thread, it'll become unreadably long. Please post links to other discussions or websites, and a short description of the link.
-please leave this thread for listing of HERBAL treatments only, not other alternative methods. I'm trying to keep this thread as a herb-specific resource.
Ie, please don't post links about antibiotics-only, provigil, lightworks, low-dose naltrexone, 880NM, Rife, prisms, pendulums, diflucan only, prayer, etc. I know some threads discuss all of the above.
I'm trying to keep this readable and on-topic. I'm not saying I have an opinion on the other modalities, just that they are not herbs and this isn't a thread for ALL alternative medicine stuff.
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MariaA
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Thank you very much, both for understanding, and for contributing content!
By the way, I can edit any of my previous posts. If you'd like me to put any of your links into another area of this thread, just PM me and tell me where to stick it.
MariaA
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Couple of good threads recently (note that I have also edited in a few 2008 discussion links into previous posts in this thread):
Keebler talking about Cats' Claw (with links to abstracts of studies on the herb) and Bromelain for inflammation. Luvs2ride followed by talking about diet and rheumatoid arthritis, leaky gut syndrome, glutathione deficiency and detoxification from killing of LYme bacteria, and much info about herbal and doctors who used 'complementary and alternative' treatment to figure out what Luvs2ride's issues were: http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=075609
abstract of an animal study about resveratrol reducing amyloid plaques in the brain:
MariaA
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2010 threads There are fewer people discussing Buhner Protocol on Lymenet now than there were 4 years ago when I started this thread. Certain new products have sprung up- usually expensive 'protocols' based on the Buhner system but with lower dosing. More users are now using cryptolepsis for babesia with much success at controlling symptoms.
Much of the Buhner discussion is over at the lyme_aid_buhner yahoogroup, and Buhner still writes his column on Planet Thrive and answers questions there. See the first post in this thread for links to both sites.
I think I can now keep up with the lower-volume of herbal discussion and will try to add more of them here.
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- Maria,
You asked me a long time ago if I wanted to post here and I was not organized. Well, here's a sort of annotated bibliography and a few questions and comments that I post if someone new asks about supplements:
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- Do you have a LLMD? Are you on a treatment protocol?
Are you gluten-free? A gluten-free diet will help tremendously and most LLMDs recommend this.
Not an herb, but the nutritional supplement, MAGNESIUM is the number one supplement for pain reduction. Fish oil, too.
For LIVER SUPPORT - the most common supplement is Milk Thistle but there are others. As the toxin from lyme, and also the chemicals from Rx can be hard on liver, supplements to support and protect the liver are essential.
Here's a composite I've made of many things to consider. Not all herbal formulas are on this, but most. It's not so easy as just taking this or that. Some herbs are for support; other are more for antimicrobial action. Herbs are nearly always in a combined formula. And your LLMD should be aware of everything you take as it could alter the effectiveness of the Rx plan.
If your LLMD is knowledge with supplements, great. Some are aware of the nutritional supplements such as vitamins and minerals (magnesium, etc.) and others also have knowledge in a few specific herbal supplements such as Milk Thistle.
You might want to consult a LL ND (naturopathic doctor) or other professional with training and licensing in this area. A good LLMD will have a working relationship and should be able to refer you to someone who will fit your needs in these complementary areas. And, be sure any LLND is truly LL and ILADS-educated, and works well with your LLMD.
A ND who is not LL (that is ILADS-educated) simply does not have the knowledge to be treating lyme/TBD (tick-borne disease) patients. They may be great at treating other patients, but lyme patients deserve doctors (of all types) to be thoroughly educated about all aspects of TBD (tick-borne disease).
Now, they may not go by the ILADS guidelines, but they should know the work of all the authors listed on this page - and that of Alan MacDonald, too, with his work on biofilms. And the work of Garth Nicolson with mycoplasma.
All this is to compare and contrast - and to be sure all the bases are covered. Rx protocols are included for background but most also incorporate supplements.
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* This explains WHY you need an ILADS LLMD or ILADS LL ND (naturopathic doctor) to guide your treatment protocol.
CONTROVERSY CONTINUES TO FUEL THE "LYME WAR" - 2007
" . . .To treat Lyme disease for a comparable number of life cycles, treatment would need to last 30 weeks. . . ."
"...If all cases were detected and treated in the early stages of Lyme disease, the debate over the diagnosis and treatment of late-stage disease would not be an issue, and devastating rheumatologic, neurologic, and cardiac complications could be avoided..."
. . . .
- Full article at link above. ==============================
BIOCHEMISTRY OF LYME DISEASE: BORRELIA BURGDORFERI SPIROCHETE / CYST
by Prof. Robert W. Bradford and Henry W. Allen
EXCERPTS:
. . . A discovery of great importance relating to a toxin produced by the causative agent of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, has been linked to a similar toxin produced by the organism Clostridium botulinum (botulism) *. . . .
[extensive explanation of:]
* Lyme Disease Toxin . . .
* Action of Toxin . . .
* Dietary SUPPLEMENTS in Lyme Disease . . .
. . . .
- Full article and great photos at link above.
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* as he compares the effect of the borrelia toxin with that of Botulism:
MENU on left of page will take you to the BASICS OF HERBS - and beyond.
Amazon also carries it. This book does not discuss lyme or TBI protocol, still it is an excellent resource for so much, especially understand our liver, etc. Diets for certain kinds of illness are suggested.
Repeat: this book does NOT discuss any treatment for lyme (other than a passing reference to sarsaparilla at http://tinyurl.com/2eeqct ).
Still, it is an excellent place to start for understanding so much about human and plant life and how they work together.
Topic: How to find a ILADS-EDUCATED LL ND, L.Ac., etc.
(an ND is a naturopathic doctor), (a L.Ac. is an acupuncturist) . . . or . . . a doctor of Oriental Medicine (O.M.D.), or a doctor of Ayurvedic Medicine (D.Ay.), certified herbalists or nutritionists, etc.
Includes many articles and books on complementary / integrative methods - & RIFE links. -
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bump for those self treating or without llmds
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