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randibear
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Every day I get this almost drugged feeling and have to lay down and take a nap. I literally almost cant function. It starts about 2:30 or so and lasts until 4 or so. I feel like a drugged elephant. Or a snake. Its an awful feeling. After sleeping for an hour or so Ican feel better.

Anybody just wear out? And now this texas heat doesn't help.

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IMO, it's a requirement to sleep or nap when your body tells you it must. And, yes, very common with lyme complex and also with adrenal dysfunction that goes with it.

To push and not lie down can do actual damage. Before we "hit the wall" we should have our head on a pillow. Before that "hit" comes.

Beyond just expecting this downturn, actually schedule in nap / daytime sleep sessions. Make them a daily routine. It can help tremendously to do so.

Whatever your adrenal support, you might want to look at Wilson's book in the set below. Self-care techniques are very well outlined.

You may also not be getting enough nutrients or mix of protein, complex carbohydrates & fat in your lunch - or in your afternoon snack.
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"Not allowed to get behind on sleep or rest" (paraphrased) is one of the self-care "rules" on page 27:


http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf

Advanced Topics in Lyme Disease (Diagnostic Hints and Treatment Guidelines for Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses

Dr. Burrascano's Treatment Guidelines (2008) - 37 pages

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As important as any supplements, sections regarding self-care:

Go to page 27 for SUPPORTIVE THERAPY & the CERTAIN ABSOLUTE RULES

and also pages 31-32 for advice on a safe, non-aerobic exercise plan and physical rehabilitation.

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Topic: NATURAL SLEEP & ADRENAL SUPPORT
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This could be adrenal and/or thyroid related.
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Or a dip in blood sugar.

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hits me very hard between 1-3 pm! It has just started about 3 wks ago. I have to get up from my desk and walk around outside otherwise I will fall asleep on my computer!

Don't know how to work in naps while at work! Not sure the boss would appreciate that!!!

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jjourneys,

you might be able to take a nap during your lunch hour - or extend it 20 minutes off the clock.

If you declare the "medical need" they have to supply you with a place to do that and time (off the clock).

Even if you don't "declare" or formally request an accommodation, some places have a place to take a nap - for anyone - without any stigma regarding health matters.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/03/11/more-work-nap-rooms/1977603/

More employers setting up nap rooms for weary workers - USA TODAY - March 2013

Some employees find a 20-minute nap during the day will boost their productivity . . . .
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hmmm, both parents diabetic but so far doc says i'm not. i don't take meds at lunch so it's not a reaction to pill.

i mean it's a drop down dead i can't function type of fatigue. almost to the point that i can't understand what people are saying, i'm so exhausted.

strange...

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Do you eat something every few hours, randi? You don't have to have diabetes to have blood sugar issues.

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gee, didn't know that. nope, i eat a small breakfast, snack at lunch and then about 4-5 lite dinner. nothing inbetween except maybe unsweetened tea.

i take vitamins, bp meds, and nystatin at breakfast. then bp meds, nystatin, and 20 mg of elavil at about 5. surely the elavil would not be a carryover type of thing would it? i can't sleep at all unless i take it. it doesn't take effect tho until after 11 or 12.

have to admit tho, i haven't had diabetes check in several years. maybe it's time.

two of my sisters have been told they are "prediabetic" whatever the heck that means.

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You could just be tired, but I know my blood sugar dipped unexpectedly last week only two hours after breakfast. I had a Dr's apptm and when I got there I told them I had been weak and dizzy during the past hour and she checked my blood sugar. It was only 72 and I had eaten again before I got there!

So it can happen. I'm usually hungry in two hours, so I usually eat something anyway.

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Yeah, low blood sugar. And blood sugar and adrenal issues go hand-in-hand.

To maintain steady blood sugar (i.e., avoid the dips), eat a protein containing snack every two hours between meals.

Can be just a few almonds, or a nibble of leftover cold chicken, etc. Doesn't have to be a big snack, but just enough to keep the blood sugar from slumping too much...

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Yeah, the exact same thing happens to me. It sounds like Adrenal Fatigue (aka Adrenal Insufficiency) as the other symptoms listed fit for me as well.

It's also a bit controversial and not fully accepted although I think some doctors are more open to the idea.

From: http://www.myadrenalfatigue.com/adrenal-fatigue-symptoms

Here is a list of possible symptoms that go along with it:

-Morning fatigue. You don�t really seem to wake up until 10 a.m., even if you�ve been awake since 7 a.m.
-Afternoon �low� (feelings of sleepiness or clouded thinking) from 2 to 4 p.m.
-A burst of energy at 6 p.m. when you finally feel better from your afternoon lull
-Sleepiness around 9p.m. to 10 p.m. However, you resist going to sleep
-A �second wind� at 11 p.m. that lasts until about 1 a.m., when you finally do go to sleep
-Cravings for foods high in salt and fats
-Chronic low blood pressure
-Sensitivity to cold and feeling chilled
-Increased PMS or menopausal symptoms
-Mild depression
-Mood swings
-Mental fog
-Memory problems
-Lack of energy and feeling rundown
-A decreased ability to handle stress
-A decreased ability to recover from illness
-Muscular weakness
-Increased food allergies
-Lightheadedness when getting up from a sitting or lying down position
-Decreased sex drive
-Frequent sighing
-Inability to handle foods high in potassium or carbohydrates unless they�re combined with fats and protein
-You crave sugar

Also, another related, interesting site:
http://www.womentowomen.com/adrenalhealth/adrenalhormonedysfunction-symptoms.aspx

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From the Wheat Belly blog by Dr William Davis:

1) No other food-sucrose, high-fructose corn syrup, sugary soft drinks, French fries, etc. has its very own opiate that stimulates appetite. The gliadin protein, digested down to 5 tetra- and pentapeptide exorphin (exogenous morphine-like compounds) units, binds to the opiate receptors of the human brain and stimulates appetite.

The increased appetite of wheat exorphins cause you to consume 400 or more calories per day, every day. Those calories are not from pork chops or salmon; they come carbohydrates almost exclusively-chips, cookies, crackers, pretzels, candy and other goodies, the foods that raise blood sugar.

2) Wheat contains the complex carbohydrate, amylopectin A. Recall that the unique branching structure of wheat's amylopectin A makes it highly susceptible to digestion by the enzyme, amylase, in saliva and stomach juices, releasing glucose into the bloodstream literally within seconds of ingestion. This explains why two slices of whole wheat bread raise blood sugar higher and faster than 6 teaspoons of table sugar. High blood sugar obliges high blood insulin, over and over and over again in the world of the "healthy whole grain" eater. Over time, this leads to diminished responsiveness to insulin,insulin resistance-the foundation of pre-diabetes and diabetes. It also leads to creation of visceral belly fat which, in turn, worsens insulin resistance and inflammation.

3) Repetitive high blood sugars, over and over again, lead to pancreatic glucotoxicity damage to pancreatic beta cells that produce insulin. (Here is a representative discussion of this effect.) Death of pancreatic beta cells is, for all practical purposes, irreversible: When they're dead, they're dead and do not regenerate. Foods that raise blood sugar the most cause the most glucotoxicity. What food dominates the modern diet and has among the highest of glycemic indexes? Yup: wheat.

4) A vigorous and unending flow of carbohydrates fuels the process of liver de novo lipogenesis, the conversion of sugar and carbohydrates into fatty acids in the liver. Among the results: plenty of fatty acids and triglycerides in the bloodstream. This causes lipotoxicity, death to pancreatic beta cells that produce insulin. So those typical triglyceride levels of 150 mg/dl, 200 mg/dl, 500 mg/dl or higher that persist for extended periods kill off pancreatic beta cells.

5) Leptin resistance. Gain weight, lose the satiating/appetite-limiting effect of the leptin hormone. It means that appetite is not turned off. High leptin levels are also toxic to the pancreas: leptin toxicity.

6) Inflammation-Insulin resistance, visceral fat accumulation: It all adds up to extravagant triggering of complex inflammatory pathways signaled by increased c-reactive protein in the bloodstream, increased interleukins, increased tumor necrosis factor, and many others, as well as increased inflammatory white blood cell content of the fat itself (like pus). The process is made worse by the entry of foreign compounds into the bloodstream and lymph permitted by the gliadin protein. The same gliadin that is broken down into exorphin polypeptides can also remain intact and exert bowel permeability increasing effects via the zonulin pathway described by Dr. Alessio Fasano; this occurs in people with celiac disease and it occurs in people without celiac disease.

7) The lectin of wheat, wheat germ agglutinin, mimics insulin. It stimulates many of the same processes triggered by insulin in fat cells, including reduced oxidation of fatty acids.

That's a partial list. Yes, a partial list of how wheat causes diabetes.

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