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RZR
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I have been off abx for 13 months and doing the entire Cowden protocol and rifing. I also took MMS for the past few months but I stopped it 2 days ago because the following symptoms kept getting worse for the past 2 months.

I have never felt this sick.

I can't think straight, my head feels funny and vision is blurry, my blood is burning, my feet feel like ice and burn at the same time, and my spine and base of neck hurt. The soreness in my feet have never went. I see streaks on my legs only when I shave and then they suddenly fade away.

Is this bart again?

I have been off abx for 13 months and doing the entire Cowden protocol along with rifing.

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Could be. How long have you been on Cowden?
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RZR
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Cowden for 11 months.

[ 01-17-2014, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: RZR ]

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Sorry RZR [Frown]

Have you ever tested for proto?

A lot of the symptoms overlap.

I am fighting bart too-my sympathies to you for the symptoms you have [Frown]

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I always feel the need to post on Bart threads, I don't know why, I am not an expert. Maybe more along the lines it's the infection that predominantly took us down.

It sure 'sounds' like Bart. What happened when you took Cowden Houttanyia and Coumenden herbs? (spelling wrong)

The next is speculation on my part.
The MMS may have stripped your GI tract.
I have read, and believe, Bart can/ does reside in the GI tract.

When I did heavy parasite protocols, I felt Bart symptoms.
Tindamax was okay, but Flagyl blew out my gut
(despite quality/ quantity probiotics)

I'm off everything treatment wise, but had to get radical about gut health. I had hit a wall.
Removed all grains, inflammatory foods, no sugar,
constipation management.

So, guess I'm asking, how's your gut health, do you think?
I think it's tied.

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Lyme positive PCR blood, and
positive Bartonella henselae Igenex, 2011.
low positive Fry biofilm test, 2012.
Update 7/16- After extensive treatments,
doing okay!

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RZR
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Surprise.....My gut health is not good, I am sure.
The parasites alone keep it torn up.

I haven't been herxing from Houttanyia in a bit, but still herx when I take Cumanda.

I am beginning to think MMS really hit something and maybe even weakened bugs so the Banderol and Samento I am taking at the moment might be hitting things harder also.

All such a guessing game.

Thank you!

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Cowden herbs just flared Bart for me. It didn't kill it.
I think a lot lf us here have a bad habit of associating taking an herb, getting a strong reaction, and assuming it's a herx.

More often than not I think we're just agitating the bacteria.
So people relapse and just assume "I must not have killed it all."

What if your immune system had it under control a bit & the tincture formulas brought Bart back out?

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RZR, what are doing with rife and bart? What freqs are you using? How long? How freq?

I can't do what many say to do with rife for tx of rife. Everyday rife would put me under.

I very strongly react to bart 357 & 832 for five minutes each. I must wait until I'm feeling ready to go at it again.

Once a week is not going to get it, I know. But I do not believe in over doing it with rife. That's for me. I do want to be able to do some part of life, instead of feeling dead and on the couch, day after day.

But I'm also one of those unfortunate ones that has been tick bitten so many times in the last several years.

Bartonella seems to big huge tick gut ingredient in KY. Of course lyme too, but the % are lower in lyme.

Or it could be some other co-infection like Greta asked about proto? I haven't gone there will testing.

I know a LLMD in our area said 100% of patients in KY & IN have tested positive for anaplasma (rickettsia). So I also have it on my to do list to go there.

100% is some pretty in your face results!

Pam

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Me too! Or so I think.

I should find out this coming week, when I see the doctor.

I am extremely anxious and it is increasing. I am cold intolerant, have brown spots all over my arms and the soles of my feet hurt in the morning. I feel completely dazed - just out of it. It is like I need to slap myself to be sure I am still here!

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Bart seems to pop up for me every winter. Maybe it's a lack of sunshine? Or maybe it hangs out with viruses (big in winter). Thankfully, A-Bart has helped me knock it back down (stronger than Cowden), but then again, I also upped my D-3, so either one or both of these may have helped.

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one doc I heard said that Bart needs to be treated with rife twice a day or you never gain ground on it due to its replication rate.

Maybe if you decrease your session time but do more often, even down to as low as 30 seconds?

For me I first noticed decline in foot pain with nutrasilver at 60 drops twice a day.. after about 8 weeks on that then 4 weeks at a reduced dosage I started running bart frequencies frequently and for long durations. Sometimes I think that the nutrasilver alone would get rid of it given more time.

I also sometimes run frequency 832 on a sine wave over my computer at http://onlinetonegenerator.com/ concurrently with the rife machine 832 in square wave.

What company makes A-Bart, Catgirl?

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Carmen-it is Byron White. Makes A-Bart [Smile]
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RZR
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map1131.....

I have been rifing for a total of 20 months or so. At first, I rifed with an EMEM DT machine for 7 months. Then, I got a Gb-4000 and added the MOPA 13 months ago.

I also been running bart freqs 832 and 357...daily and worked my way up to 30 minutes each freq since last April.

I am now beginning to think yeast could be the culprit. I ate sugar through the holidays. I have Diflucan and going to try that after the weekend.

I've never felt like I eradicated the yeast after antibiotics. I was never serious with my diet and kept falling off the wagon. It's the most difficult thing for me.

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RZR - for candida I recommend nutrisilver... it really cut back on my yeast. Most often when you feel bad from yeast its because its in your blood but it can cause gut symptoms too. to fully heal the situation you have to heal the gut over time. Ive been fighting it for years because some stupid doc whammed with with pennicillin antibiotics for a yeast infection!!! guess he thought I had a veneral disease? who knows, he didnt do any tests. I was only 17 and Im sure the antibiotics for a chest cold previously gave me yeast. Its been a fight ever since...40 years now.

if diflucan stops working for you you could try ketoconazole. Yeast can get resistant to the drugs, which has been a great worry for me over the years since I believe candida is a root cause for some cancers, and Ive had two incidents because the drugs have so screwed me up. When diflucan stopped working keto worked well. Im long time now resistant to anything over the counter.

yep, Ive purchased from green and healthy before. thanks.

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