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Catgirl
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Did anyone catch Dr. Oz today? Dr. Hyman was on and he said that milk makes cancer cells grow (I'm not surprised). Cows milk was only designed to make calves grow.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/dairy-free-dairy-6-reason_b_558876.html

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Egads. I have a 6' teenager that has drunk at least a few cows worth.

Remember when Oprah said she didn't want to eat beef, and the red meat men took her to court?

I'm surprised 'milk makes cancer grow' isn't going to make the dairy folks take action...

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Dairy = Phlegm . . . phlegm harbors all kinds of germs

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=029690;p=0

Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors (that are not likely natural at all);

GMO foods that destroy the GI Tract; Gluten; Dairy.

See NYT Mark Bittman's Dairy set.
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does anyone know an almond milk that doesnt have sugar in it?

and what is that careenan thing...why is it bad?

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Dairy is not good for us in general. Most here know that, thank goodness!!

kayak .. I know of a coconut milk without sugar, but it contains carageenan too, which can be inflammatory to the gut and body.

http://www.wisegeek.org/what-is-carrageenan.htm#slideshow

and in addition to what Dr Hyman said....

SUGAR also makes cancer grow. Milk contains sugars .. and now they are adding aspartame to it. Double whammy.

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Milk is also high in sugars (lactose) which helps cancer grow and lowers the immune response, not to mention how unhealthy commercial milk is because of the way it's produced.

Unsweetened almond milk is easy to find but I have not found any without carageenan.

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The lining of cans and cartons concerns me, so much plastic. That has been linked to endocrine disorders and cancer, too. Even the BPA-free still has lots of petroleum to it.

It's easy to make certain nut milks in a good blender. The softer nuts, like pecans and walnuts are easier.
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I've been meaning to ask this question for a long time and didn't want to go there.

Dos the no-Dairy warning also include cheese? I have been milk free for many years,

also have been gluten free for a year or more.

I have to eat protein at least 2 meals a day and cheese has been a big part of that diet.



No idea what I would substitute for cheese.

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I'm with you on all the milk, never cared for it actually, but hard to get a teenager off it with his dinner at night-
tried to substitute, it's a no- go.

Nuts are a good sub for cheese protein. Peanuts tho tend to be moldy, become an allergen easily. Chicken and fish good protein sources, too.
Cheese completely constipated me, gave it up awhile ago.

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Some of us have no choice...I'm allergic to beans, nuts, meat, fish, and darn near everything else...but I have no trouble tolerating dairy protein as long as it is organic, I take probiotics regularly, and I take a digestive enzyme with the dairy.

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I'm a kefir and whole milk yogurt gal.

Everything else, couldn't care less.

Was raised on goats milk. I hate it. The smell of it triggers a gag reflex.

Yes it is too bad everything else has carageenan in it or agar gum.

Razzle-my goodness! Yes doesn't leave you a lot of protein options! Wow!

Surprise-my brothers used to drink 4L (1 gallon) a day of milk when they were teenagers. Taking that away from them would've been WW3!

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Dairy is MILK, CHEESE, YOGURT, KEFIR

Perhaps I missed a few?

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Does anyone know how to make a plain no dairy yogurt? I can't find it in stores and the flavored stuff I do find tastes nasty.

Given the nasty taste of flavored stuff I don't know why I am pursuing the plain stuff but it would be nice to give it a try.

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I eat fermented dairy and minimal amounts of raw cheese. Can't find raw milk here yet but we use organic milk for coffee only. Not giving up the occasional latte!!

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Seriously... Does anyone here want to live to be 100? I would like to do the best I can for myself. I would like to alleviate some inflmation and pain. But do we really want to keep eliminating everything? Like Razzle I am allergic to almost everything, dairy is lowest on the totem. If eating cheese means I live til 80/85 not 100 I'm good with that. Can't believe cancer is any more painful than Lyme at its worst.

I really worry when any one food is crucified. As we always say... We are all different. And also, look at the things that used to bad for you that are now in vogue? Coconut (poison to me) avacados, butter... Soy was good, now bad! Eggs were bad, then good, now bad...

I'm really digging kayaks theory. Rotate everything! (Except things you know don't agree with you) fake stuff bad. Whole stuff good!

Just a little rant! Off my soapbox now!

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I solemnly watched your entire soapbox speech.

I thought it was good.

If I survive lyme, I plan on dying during some daredevil adventure in some exotic jungle somewhere on the hunt for new flora, so living till 85 isn't a concern.

Not really, but have you SEEN Vancouver traffic?! May as well try trekking the Sahara in flip flops and a bikini. Better chances there...

[Smile]

I digress.

Yes, I love my fermented milk products. I believe the benefits of fermented outweighs the dairy issues. Organic non hormone 10% fat deliciousness

Those and my organic french roast coffee.

Can't give those up.

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BE CAREFUL.

We NEED calcium and glucose/milk "sugars" and the fats and proteins in WHOLE milk...our brain is a glucose "hog".

I had a kidney stone attack the Sunday before Christmas - major ouch.

The kidney specialist (he was one of the best doctors I have ever met) told me it is extremely important that we keep our calcium levels UP - but says it does seem contrary since many types of stones contain calcium.

Dairy is NOT bad. Europeans don't drink much milk, but they do eat a lot of butter and cheese and German yogurt is DELICIOUS...we can't buy it here...some others (Greek) in grocery stores are good, but still don't compare!

BTW...a B6 deficiency is strongly linked to kidney stones.

Another electrolyte not to mess with...

A severely salt restricted diet does kill people faster than having adequate salt. Severely restricting sodium is not healthy.

Researchers can't really run the tests they need to...putting test subjects (people) on really low salt diets, versus high salt diets is not in keeping with "First Do No Harm".

Re: Campbell and the casein-cancer connection...read this (I promise you won't be disappointed):

http://www.westonaprice.org/vegetarianism-and-plant-foods/the-china-study-myth

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I am sensitive to the dairy protein casein, but I still rotate in cheese once a week.

I agree with Kudzuslipper--quality of life is important. If I do not get some enjoyment each day I feel that I am not going to get well.

So, although I avoid gluten, I do rotate in the eggs, dairy, and almonds that show up on an allergy blood test.

I even rotate in a nongluten beer now and then or a glass of wine. I know it is not healthy for me, but it won't kill me, either.

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No, I actually absolutely don't want to live to be 100.
If I can get my kids seen off, kiss a grand baby's head in 20 years, I'm good. That's my only bucket list.

Trust me, if I felt good drinking gin and smoking cigarettes, I'd be all over it. High strung gal like me needs an outlet.
Because of my health, that outlet is now exercise and TV.

Back to milk- my one dd and I have gut issues.
Gluten, dairy and sugar make them worse. We know this by actual trial in real life.

My other 2 kids drink milk with dinner. They are healthy without infections or GI tract issues (thank you God)

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Mother's milk -- provides a growing infant with all the nutrition he/she needs for the first six months of his life.

Cow's milk is designed by nature to be the perfect food for calves, not for human beings.

I’ve decided to try this method...

MOTHER'S MILK MAY HOLD PROMISE FOR ILL ADULTS

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SOME FIND BENEFITS FOR CANCER, OTHER SERIOUS DISEASES:

Breast milk isn't just for babies at the Mothers' Milk Bank in San Jose, which quietly offers it to adults with cancer and other serious illnesses to ease their symptoms.

The milk bank is one of just six in the United States. It distributes donated breast milk primarily to premature and low-birth-weight babies. However, it also will provide breast milk to adults with a doctor's prescription.

Adult use of breast milk is rare, according to Pauline Sakamoto of the milk bank in San Jose, which has served 28 adult patients in the past four years. Adults with cancer, digestive disorders and immune disorders may drink several ounces of milk daily or weekly to ease the ravages of chemotherapy, bolster their immune systems and improve their digestion, she said.

No national figures exist for adult use of breast milk, but an informal survey of the nation's milk banks suggest that they currently serve dozens of adult patients.

Breast milk's benefits for babies have been well documented, with research showing that it helps fight infection, improves immune system function, increases intelligence and combats obesity in later life.

But can it help sick grown-ups? No one knows because so little research has been done.

In 1995 Swedish researchers isolated a protein in mothers' milk that seemed to kill cancer cells in a test tube. And they are still working on developing a drug that takes advantage of that protein. In 2004 the same research team found another compound that destroys many kinds of skin warts, raising expectations that the compound could help treat cervical cancer and other diseases caused by the human papilloma virus.

Still, most doctors are skeptical about the value of breast milk for adults, and mainstream medicine seems to consider it to be on the fringe.

Although Dr. Michelle Melisko, an oncologist at the University of California-San Francisco, acknowledges that mothers' milk probably won't hurt her patients, she worries about quality control -- some viral particles can be passed through breast milk -- and said she would advise them against using it.

A POTENTIAL RISK

``I'd say the same thing I say to all my patients who want to do alternative things: I don't know how it's tested,'' Melisko said. ``Patients are potentially exposing themselves to as many risks by taking milk from an unknown source than by taking herbs that come in a bag.''

Yet Margit Hamosh, professor emeritus at Georgetown University and an expert in the biochemistry of human milk, says breast milk contains compounds ``that might definitely help in people who have compromised immune systems in the same way they might help the newborn.''

Howard Cohen, a Palo Alto software consultant with a doctorate in theoretical physics, says he can live with the lack of medical evidence. Indeed, he's his own research study. Cohen believes that the twice-weekly smoothies he makes with breast milk and fruit have helped put his prostate cancer into remission and allowed him to avoid more invasive treatment, such as surgery.

``You give this stuff to newborn babies,'' Cohen said. ``It can't be toxic.''

After Cohen was diagnosed in 1999, his wife found an article about the Swedish research on breast milk and cancer cells. A friend who was lactating donated some milk, and Cohen soon found that his levels of prostate-specific antigen, a warning sign of cancerous cells, dropped back to normal. His doctor, a UC-San Francisco urologist, was skeptical but open to Cohen's self-treatment as long as his blood work looked fine.

Cohen undergoes blood tests and other screenings religiously, and in the past 2 1/2 years, there have been no signs of cancer, he said. It's possible, of course, that without the breast milk, Cohen's prostate cancer might have grown so slowly that his health would not be compromised; that happens in many cases.

`It works'

Still, Cohen believes. After all, when he temporarily stopped the breast milk, his PSA levels went up. ``It works,'' he says simply.

Patty, an East Bay health educator who asked that her last name not be used, said breast milk seems to be helping her 15-year-old son, who this spring was diagnosed with Crohn's disease, a serious bowel disorder that can stunt growth and destroy the liver. Daily doses of breast milk mixed with chocolate syrup kept her son's symptoms under control, allowing him to gain weight and tolerate a regular diet, she said.

Although her son experienced a flare-up of symptoms that landed him in the hospital after five months on breast milk, Patty still gives him eight ounces a day, until their supplies are used up. Her son is now on anti-inflammatory drugs that control his disease. He can no longer tolerate chocolate syrup and must hold his nose to get the milk down, Patty said, but he's in remission. Because of the stigma surrounding adults drinking breast milk, her son wants to keep it a secret from his high school friends, she said.

``This is like liquid gold. We have this incredible untapped resource that we've only looked at for what it can give babies,'' Patty said. ``I'd love for more studies to be done on this. There's got to be something helpful going on.''

By Barbara Feder Ostrov
Mercury News
CONTRIBUTED BY PB, DISCIPLE OF GURURASA

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quote:
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Back to milk- my one dd and I have gut issues.
Gluten, dairy and sugar make them worse. We know this by actual trial in real life.


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Same here. I don't need the PAIN that those cause. Same with nightshades. OUCH.

European foods are most likely not as contaminated as American foods. There are many ingredients, food colorings, etc that are banned there.. as well as genetically modified ingredients. Americans have not quite caught on to the seriousness of what is allowed in our food chain.

Raw milk, safely raised, is likely a VERY GOOD thing for us.

Also.. you can make coconut kefir and coconut yogurt which are EXTREMELY healthy.

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Glad to see this is finally in public vision. For 28 years I've always said Cows milk is for baby cows. The end

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breast milk is only as good as what mom eats and has floating around in her...just sayin

i breast fed all 4 of mine...the last the longest...and she got Bb from it pretty bad.

i thought i was doing something good for her.

if i drank coffee she didnt sleep

large numbers of babies are being dx with reflux in the first few months of their lives and put on meds

i have watched these meds mess me up...i started on them in my 40s. what will happen to them starting as infants?

the problem is the food and what they are doing to it...it is harder and harder to find healthy stuff without moving to another country...and then...i know there are other problems.

such a mess. i

i was mesmerized by the pic of that baby nursing...i remember how great it was to get home from work and sit down with her...but now a mom has to be very careful...

we all do i guess

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lpkayak, I agree with you but, I would think most breast feeding moms are watching what they are feeding their babies through there breast milk.

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I totally agree lpkayak, I am astounded at the number of babies on reflux meds, I don't know why that's happening, but the babies projectile vomit everything without (not mine) and I wholeheartedly agree about

what can be passed- I know Dr. J says 50% chance of passing Lyme and co. in an untreated mother in utero, but my last child I never breastfed (for personal reasons, I did not know I was infected, still in the dark),

and I swear not BF'ing her saved her.
The topic of BF'ing can get very controversial.

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p8 = retroviral protein called HTLV-1 can be present in mother's milk.

Women who have/had lyme probably should not breast feed UNFORTUNATELY!

I was an OB RN and am USUALLY very pro breast feeding.


Bb looks to pick up that protein (p8) in the tick's saliva which impacts (negatively) our immune system defense from the get-go.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21843870

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quote:
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I totally agree lpkayak, I am astounded at the number of babies on reflux meds, I don't know why that's happening,

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