Jamers
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Ever since I got ill with lyme and co. I have not been able to handle caffeine, although I do much better with it these days. If I have full caffeine or even caffeinated green tea, I have these symptoms: Stinky underarm sweat Stinky pee (smells like coffee if I drink it) More floaters in eyes and a general weird feeling in my eyes. Head in coke bottle feeling.
What could this be?
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Keebler
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- Where are you getting your tea? Is is organic?
That's just the first question, to be sure it's not contaminated as some are. -
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Keebler
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- "Head in coke bottle feeling." you say.
If you experience this directly from your tea, sure sounds like food additives are added to your tea (or there are other variables to consider separately such as gluten or dairy reactions.)
Tea and coffee are both often processed with chemicals, too. Not a good thing, ever.
MGS?
Is there MSG in your tea? If "natural flavors" are added, likely YES. And that's rocket fuel, toxic, too. Very neuro-excitatory, even a sip will trigger all kinds of reactions.
CAFFEINE? Sadly, a "no-no" for lyme for many reasons. If energy is desired, ADRENAL SUPPORT is the better way to go.
If a hot beverage is desired, explore different VARIETIES of the GREEN TEAs. So many.
As for the matter of caffeine. Burrascano says in the "absolute rules" that there should be "no caffeine" during treatment, which I assume is due to the severe stress that puts on various systems that are just so clobbered by lyme (adrenal, cardiac, nerve chemistry).
Green tea SOMETIMES falls in a "grey zone" for some because the theanine (calming) can balance out the less "serious" caffeine in SOME varieties. Still, some greens can pack a jolt. Not all varieties are equal.
Each variety, each batch of tea can differ from the next tremendously unless you get your tea from the same supplier, and the same "estate" (region where its grown, even down to the same patch of land).
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- Not a full set but a start to finding green tea from reputable sources. Herbal teas can be very nice, too. Some links here as well.
At the best sites, you can explore the variety for its caffeine content and also the country of origin, down to the exact estate where it's harvested, etc.
Food Additives often in commercial teas also detailed here. -
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- The "no caffeine" advice is on p. 27: " No caffeine or other stimulants that may affect depth or duration of sleep, or reduce or eliminate naps." (end quote) Link below.
I'm sure there are other reasons for this, as well. It's not just because it affects the ability to rest. It can be like rocket fuel to our frayed adrenal & nervous systems.
Topic: NATURAL SLEEP & ADRENAL SUPPORT -
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- Eye spasm could be MAGNESIUM deficiency, common with lyme. See the magnesium links set in the liver support section.
Your liver / kidney support may need more consideration regarding odor of sweat / urine - and floaters (antioxidants that are in liver support usually help reduce floaters).
LIVER & KIDNEY SUPPORT & and several HERXHEIMER support links, too
With lyme & co. comes a lot of toxicity. That increases the "debris" in the body and can also affect the eyes. Antioxidants are key to helping clean up debris in the eyes (just as liver support helps the liver & also helps the eyes in the long run).
FLOATERS are very common but, perhaps, a bit more so at times for those with lyme, due to various factors. Debris is just one. Tissue can be more tender, too, and those with lyme sometimes fall (and that can cause floaters).
[From a previous question but will leave this in just in case others may wonder: Floaters are not spirochetes. Spirochetes are far too microscopic to see like that.]
Learn the difference between regular floaters and the kind for which your eye doctor must be seen, immediately (such as with a tear of the vitreous):
Floater thread -
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Jamers
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Keebler, my tea/coffee is from Starbucks usually so its definitely not organic. I have been off antibiotics for over a year and just have these remaining symptoms made worse with caffeine. I understand that caffeine is bad for the adrenals and sleep but that doesn't address why I have all of these strange symptoms with caffeine. Unless of course, it is a reaction to additives.
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- You say that you "understand that caffeine is bad for the adrenals and sleep but that doesn't address why I have all of these strange symptoms with caffeine."
Caffeine is a stimulant. It can cause muscle twitching, eye spasms, etc. And, it's a diuretic so it will move urine and sweat and if there is odor, that indicates you may need better liver / kidney support even if you are no longer on antibiotics.
If you sweat more from caffeine, it is likely from the stress on the cardiac, nervous or adrenal systems. If it's just that the sweat smells, more, it could be liver congestion related.
We will require liver support for every day we breathe. That does not have to come from supplements, necessarily, it can come from excellent food choices and movement but, still, it's not just for during treatment.
START WITH THE INGREDIENT LIST, though.
Do the ingredients list any "flavors" or "natural flavors"? That's the first place to look. Check out their website to find the ingredient lists.
You might have to consult an independent site for specifics in how they source / process their coffee bit start at their site.
Excitotoxins; MSG; Aspartame; & "Natural" Flavors (that are not likely natural at all). -
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Jamers
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No, I looked it up and its just green tea or coffee...
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- There is more to it, though that they make us dig for. Where is the tea or coffee FROM? Exactly. Where and how do they grow it, harvest it, process it?
There can be additives or processing agents that don't have to be listed.
Figure out your total caffeine intake in milligrams. That should help, too.
I assume you drink it plain, nothing at all added? No flavors at all?
In a styrofoam cup? If so, that could be a problem as they are very toxic when warm. If in a travel mug, if it is plastic, that can add neurotoxins.
Some cardboard like cups are also processed with chemicals. I would hope that Starbucks is ahead of that issue, though.
Still, even if you enjoy a great quality tea or coffee in a very nice ceramic cup, caffeine is not to be scoffed at. It can be mighty powerful and some people even in the best of health just can't manage it. -
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- Other variables, starting with the location if you drink this in a Starbucks location. You've got their cleaning chemicals (which I hope are safe) to consider. New paint on walls, new carpet?
All the flavors floating around there, just wafting through the air . . . customers colognes, etc.
You might find a independent coffee or tea shop and give it a try. Different brand, different location.
You seem to be making a connection to the symptoms you have with your routine. Change the routine and see if that helps. Beyond that, considering other possible additives . . . there is the caffeine to consider but you may find a different beverage will work with you.
Still, the floaters would seem a different matter. I don't think they are connected to coffee or tea. I can see how all the other symptoms can be, at least influenced by coffee / tea but the floaters are likely a separate matter.
Unless . . . the diuretic nature of the caffeine is depleting your body of adequate water and the eyes need more water to move debris through, so to speak.
I hope you find a resolution to all this. -
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- Pottery / earthenware mug? If so, be sure it's lead and cadmium free. Some mugs do contain these neurotoxins (so do some of the plastic mugs but they have other things best avoided, too).
Be sure hot water not from a plastic kettle. Glass, porcelain enamel (melted glass) lined or stainless steel best. -
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Razzle
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It is my understanding that caffeine increases blood pressure and constricts blood vessels. This by itself could cause muscle twitching, and affect the eyes (among other things)...
I can't get near even the tiniest bit of caffeine, it turns my stomach inside out (at least, that's how it feels).
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Jamers
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Keebler, thanks for all of that information. I'm starting to wonder if it is yeast or mold in the beverages coupled with caffeine that makes me feel funny.
Strange thing is, I have these without ingesting caffeine but they are much worse with caffeine. Im really leaning to yeast or possible parasites, since it feels like squirmy, twitchy in my eyes.
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