gigimac
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I am revisiting silver sol. I am taking 10 ppm 3 tbsp a day. I was doing some research and came across argyria. I was aware of this before but i thought it was incredibly rare.
Is anyone else using silver successfully? Should I be concerned about argyria when I am taking 10 ppm at 3 tbsp a day?
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- Argyria is not a concern as long as the water source for the silver making is proper.
The "Blue Man" and others (blue or grey) like him did not use the right kind of water as they made their own. And, IMO, the dose was extreme, too. Some literally drink it.
Your dose of 3 TBSP is quite fine. Although, it's best to start off with just a few DROPS and work up. I'd not go higher than that, though and you may not need that much but still, from what I've read, that should be okay.
One concern that some naturopathic doctors have (and myself, too) is that silver can't really work its own way out of the body. No one really knows what accumulation might do so I'd not go too high if a lower dose will work.
I'd also explore all options so silver might be one that is used at certain times but not all the time.
Many of the good silvers are very expensive (but not as high as they used to be) and it is much less expensive to make it yourself.
BUT the water must be just right (and I'm not sure so if you make it yourself, look it up. Distilled, I believe. But I could never find distilled that was not in a plastic bottle and therefore, won't do that). -
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- The source, the dose - the two main keys. Don't take so much that you herx, stay on the underside of that and work up slowly. And stay on the edge of a dose that works, more may not always be needed.
Source Naturals Colloidal Silver, in 1998 or so kept me out of a wheel chair. I had the positive Igenex tests for lyme, babesia and HME. But no doctor would acknowledge or treat. I was falling down many times a day, so weak, unable to walk more than a few steps.
The herbs were not working that the ND I was working with gave me (he turned out NOT to be LL, afterall, as he had assured me) . . . but he did also suggest c. silver.
It really helped. At that time it was $50. a 4 ounce bottle. I probably took several dropperfuls a day but could only afford at total of 2 bottles over 2 months.
In later years, I'd use is on and off. I found one brand that seemed toxic to me, was supposed to be good but I think not. It was called Mild Silver Protein. I would not use that again.
Source Naturals' price is more reasonable now and there are some other excellent brands, too.
If you have a good LL ND, that would be best for guidance. -
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Does c. silver cause any intestinal issues when taken internally? I made some with my simple machine and had intestinal issues which I thought were silver related but I'm not so sure that was the cause because I had intestinal issues after I no longer took it.
Does silver wipe out beneficial intestinal probiotics or anything else? Are you supposed to take probiotics while using it? I was taking a teaspoon several times a day and it was about 10 ppm.
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I dont think its a problem either as long as you take a good kind. I take argentyn23 which is a little stronger its like 23ppm or something. I was up to about 4 tbsp a day...ran out need to order more.
I was reading that ACS200 is a lot stronger. I may order that instead.
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It is my understanding that the PPM should be kept at 10PPM or lower to be effective as a killing agent.
Larger PPM is not better, actually smaller is better, again, based on what i have studied on C silver.
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gigimac
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lymenotlite, I am not sure about the probiotics. I wonder about that too. do u mind sharing what brand of silver you use?
i am hoping to find someone with lyme who uses silver sol or one silver solution, what i have been using, and ask if they find it effective.
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Minerals...
To my knowledge, there is no way for the body to clear "silver" (Hg) and to clear fluoride (F-).
And Lithium (we need a TINY) amt. is really hard to balance, but triggers "mitochondrial biogenesis" as does...
" Sodium hypochlorite, an excellent non-specific proteolytic and antimicrobial agent, is the most common irrigation solution used during root canal therapy. The purpose of this paper was to review different aspects of sodium hypochlorite use in endodontics."
The human immune system generates minute quantities of *hypochlorite* during the destruction of pathogens.
This takes place within special white blood cells, called neutrophil granulocytes; which engulf viruses and bacteria in an intracellular vacuole called the phagosome, where they are digested.
Part of the digestion mechanism involves an enzyme-mediated respiratory burst, which produces reactive oxygen-derived compounds, including superoxide (which is produced by NADPH oxidase).
Superoxide decays to oxygen and hydrogen peroxide,
which is used in a myeloperoxidase-catalysed reaction to
NaOCl and NaClO ? I don't get it. They are both called Sodium hypochlorite.
And here's another with the same name:
ClNaO
Oh, I get it:
Our results demonstrated that AgN = silver nanoparticles (10, 25, and 50 mg l(-1)) decreases the activity of mitochondrial respiratory chain complexes I, II, III, and IV from
Whereas my target has been mitochondrial complex III (blocking) in the infected cells only.
Is the uptake of colloidal silver greater in cells where O3 has been produced?
Either way...we're looking at destroying the infected cells. No mitochondria functioning = cell death.
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Thanks,I took note of what colloidal silver interacts with. Marnie, are you saying you don't feel that silver is safe?
The kind I take is supposed to have smaller particles or nano particles that the body can flush out. However, I have no way of knowing if that is true.
I would just find something else to use but I really like that the silver I am using doesn't cause bad herx reactions like other forms of treatment.
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Marnie
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Added more...
Bottom line...read the last sentence.
We're just heading for the same result via different directions.
I wish we had access to IV hypericin + the yellow laser therapy!!!
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Sort of looks like an ad for that silver product, but if you research the Dr's involved they check out OK.
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I think the silver product I am using must be weak. i was able to take 3 tbsp no problem and usually EVERYTHING makes me herx.
I am taking "One Silver Solution" which is similar to "Silver Sol." Don't know if anyone else has tried these kinds? Anyone?
I hear argentyn 23 or sovereign silver are really good, I would probably herx off that!
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quote:Originally posted by jlcd1: I would start way lower then a tablespoon. I herxed hard with just 1/2 tsp.
Thanks. Will try a low dose if I try it out.
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Call the silver companies and talk to them. They will tell you much different dosing schedules than the docs are telling their patients.
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The right kind of water???? This sounds bogus to me.
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Herxing = reaction to the die-off when the pathogen's proteins are released = inflammation.
Because berberine works in many ways (including knocking down inflammation), it would be my choice.
That herx reaction is like a reaction to chemotherapy.
Which is why...
Tamoxifen + EPA = synergy.
and why:
gemcitabine (pancreatic cancer drug) + Zyflamend = synergy.
IV abx + a lot of Mg (anti-histamine, anti-inflammatory and HMG CoA reductase inhibitor, like a statin) = early onset Lyme cured - Romanian docs several years ago.
See? It is a combination. Hit the pathogen AND reduce the "effects".
If you are too worried about trying Glycox (berberine HCL), give Zyflamend a try with your colloidal silver (not my favorite choice, but I understand).
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Marnie. The difference is where the atoms have bonds. Oxygen wants two electrons and will share with other atoms. In NaOCl, oxygen has one bond to sodium and one bond to chloride. In NaClO, oxygen only has a bond to chloride and needs another. The regional screening value for human health risk for silver in tap water is 94 ug/L, as a noncarcinogenic in a child. 94 ug/L = 94 ppb = 0.094 ppm. Our human cells have mitochondria.
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yes the companies will tell you a different dosing schedule. I called argentyn23 and they said i can take 2tsp up to about 10-12 times a day, and one of the NP's(?) that called me back told me to start nebulizing it. I haven't done that yet...too scared.
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Darn it. We did work at fort Chaffee. I visited camp McCain. And my doc said, ahhh ehrlichia is hard to get and rare. I think I got red bugs from McCain and pulled a lone star out of my back. I guess I need to test for ehrlichia next time.
The evolution theory does believe in the symbiosis of mitochondria from bacteria in our cells.
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Hypochlorite ion is unstable/reactive. The electrons move around from chloride needing one to oxygen needing one, so basically it is not constant like a stable molecule of salt (NaCl) where Sodium wants to give up one electron and Chloride wants to accept one electron. When thinking of sodium hypochlorite in solution, the oxygen/chloride cloud is sharing an ionic bond to Sodium.
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