A fascinating video about what Krishnamurti thought about God.
It is not too long, only 18 minutes.
Who's responsible for yourself?, he asks.
You're in a jungle, alone. No one to lead you.
No book to teach, no leader helping you.
You want to survive. Whom to trust but yourself?
You have no choice.
It's only then, you find freedom.
Once you realize that in your heart, not only in your mind, you'll know that your way is yourself only.
Don't listen to leaders, ideas, experts: how do you know they are right and not wrong?
Why do you 'believe' in concepts of God, Righteousness, Eternity?
Believing is not knowing. It's something for the children, so that they behave well.
The moment you believe these concepts, an idea, God, soul, leaders, experts, whoever, is the moment you got lost.
------------------- He didn't say exactly that, but that is what I retained after watching it.
Most of the lyme warrior path goes through that loneliness in the jungle.
Lonely decisions to take, to choose, to bet our lives, the lives of the ones that are dependent on us.
Thoughts of life and death go our whole way.
Belief in one treatment, in a protocol, in a MD, a naturopath... And the list is long.
Belief that a relationship will save you or abandon you.
Intuitively, when no one wanted to help, when the whole world becomes the jungle, no leader, no right path to follow, we all know there is just one way out.
The only one way out, is in fact, the only way out for anything in life.
It's an amazing little video that made my day.
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"Why do you 'believe' in concepts of God, Righteousness, Eternity?
Believing is not knowing. It's something for the children, so that they behave well.
The moment you believe these concepts, an idea, God, soul, leaders, experts, whoever, is the moment you got lost."
Totally disagree. He seemed a bit lost himself.
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Have you watched the video until the end?
He didn't say god does not exist.
On the very contrary, he meant, is that he doesn't believe in God.
He knows.
But don't believe what he says, he repeated. Don't believe anyone.
If you believe, it means, you do NOT know.
Believing is not knowing. That is what he meant.
If you believe, it means God is not you, or you are not God, but some idea, some ideal, some perfection, eternity somewhere else, but not in you.
the moment you know, you have no doubt, and asking that question 'do you believe?' comes as negative.
If everybody knew, they wouldn't need to call God in different names.
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I believe in God (Christ) and I know God is the one who created me and it is only through Him that I can find joy and peace no matter my circumstances.
Because God knows me inside and out I am getting to know myself through Him.
I may be ill, but I am not lost and I still find joy despite my circumstances.
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Yes, I watched the whole video. He was hard to understand, hard to hear. He rambled.
So .. it didn't make any sense to me.
I believe and I know.
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OUCH! Hot Topic! Well, that was a different point of view!
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I had heard of this man (Krishnamurti) long ago, in my 20s. He was still alive then.
I had a nice prof. at university who introduced students to all sorts of 'funny' texts...
I had read some of his writings, but forgot it completely. I understood him very little then.
He got a sort of mystic experience in his 20s, somewhere in California, where he started going in and out trance state, behave like a baby, then again back again, with bodily pains, suffering, then peace... I just read it in Wikip.
When he came out of those weeks of intense transformation, he dropped all he believed before, and started saying what he said in this video above, at the end of his life.
He lived around 90 years, and this video is almost at the end of his life.
the guy is consistent: he's been saying the same thing for about 70 years, on and on again.
Look what he wrote BEFORE he was 30:
"I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect.
That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally.
Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized;
... nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path.
This is no magnificent deed, because I do not want followers, and I mean this.
The moment you follow someone, you cease to follow Truth.
I am concerning myself with only one essential thing: to set man free.
I desire to free him from all cages, from all fears, and not to found religions, new sects, nor to establish new theories and new philosophies."
-------------------- This is exactly what he says near his death, in this video!
And this conviction started after those mystical experiences he had in California, when he was only 25.
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Just another parallel with lyme:
Try to explain lyme, what is it to live with lyme, to suffer with lyme, to be lonely, to feel abandoned by society, medical community, family.
Who understands our words?
No one!
The maximum you get, is a sort of sympathy.
do you think people are mean to you?, that is why they do not get?
While some people are maybe mean, most of the people are merely ignorant.
Not in a bad sense: in the sense that without actually LIVING the experience, how can they know?
----------------------------------------- What did WE know about chronic lyme BEFORE we fell so ill with it??! ------------------------------------------------
Unless they LIVE the hell we lived, NO ONE can understand concepts, words, because only EXPERIENCE can teach it all.
I guess that is exactly what he meant: try to understand God, preach God, believe in God through words, books, preachers, schools, gurus, churches, yoga practice^, gods of different names....
The most we can do, is be sympathetic to God, to 'believe in' God, to 'believe in' perfection, eternity, Truth.
A bit like non-lyme sufferers can be sympathetic to us, but understand little of what it is to be chronically ill.
We were in their shoes before we fell so ill. We knew very little too.
It's not their fault: the only missing link is EXPERIENCE.
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