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Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Lets all talk about Rife here in one spot and share our ideas and about machines and frequencies and techniques including our experiences.

We can learn so much from one another.. and there is a lack of Rife info no this forum overall and I would love for us to gather here and just talk in detail so we can learn from one another...

Curious how many of you all use Rife as part or all of your treatment?

And how you feel about it.

How has it affected your overall treatment and do you do it with abx as well or do you stop abx to do rife? And why?

[ 02-26-2013, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: springshowers ]
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I am on a waitlist to get one. I plan to start using it along with abx as soon as I am able!

I have tried it once and did feel it doing something (tightening in forehead where I normally have my dull lyme or babesia headache) during the session. I didn't herx b/c I only used it for 30 seconds, but from what I have read, it appears to work!

My husband also felt some effects during the short treatment and didn't really notice a herx since he was feeling lousy anyway from Mepron.

I know it could take months to see results, but I am very excited to incorporate it into our protocols. I am particularly interested in trying it for babesia and bart. I feel if we could just get rid of those coinfections, we would improve much faster.

If you want to learn more, The Rife Forum is very good.

tickbattler
 
Posted by Nutmeg (Member # 7250) on :
 
Rife and AI + binders and fibers for detoxing are the main things I'm doing.

Started Rife last winter and AI in the early spring.

Nutmeg
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I am using only rife and feel that it is THE reason for my current state of wellness. I am off all lyme meds and most supplements.

I am working fulltime, parenting and able to be very productive.

Of course, I still have to take care of myself and I rife once per week. I have posted frequencies in other threads, but I rife for erlichiosis, babesia and lyme.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I began rifing about a yr and a half after finishing Lyme treatment. I wanted to help KEEP it away. I rifed for about 3 yrs.. once every two weeks.

I must confess I have not rifed in almost a year now. I need to get back to it... just in case!! It's great to have for other things too, like yeast!
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
I'm seriously considering going to rife route. I think Abx is useless for me, but I would like to try one real shot at a serious protocol the way it should be given (Dr. B-style).
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Cats.. can you point me to some of the threads you posted on with frequencies and such.

It seems like a small number of people (on this site anyway) are using the rife.

I am glad to hear successes with it and am using it as a transition off abx..

Not there yet.. but starting to rife.. while still using abx with the goal to hopefully get off abx without worry of relapse..

I am only able to tolerate it one time a week but am told I should do it for shorter time frames and more often is better

Does that sound right?

I ordered the Rife Handbook and am waiting on that to read and learn more..
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I started rifing about 5 weeks ago with a DT EMEM5a machine. I am def. herxing on it, but I am not sure if I am using it properly or to its fullest capabilities.

I am on abx as well.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Asummers.. i am in the same boat.. i started but not sure about it all.

There seems to be no ONE protocol or method to follow but just general guidelines...

Kinda frustrating but that is how it is.. it seems.

Would love to share ideas or what your all doing and maybe we can learn from one another??>

Or maybe the Rife Forum would be a better place for that. But there are not many there treating lyme either??
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Sounds like a plan to me springshowers [Smile] I would love a rifing buddy.

I feel like I am staring at this wonderful machine that can help me, but I don't know how to use it? I am one of those people that 'likes to read the directions' before starting something new. For me and how my brain works, I feel that there are really up in the air directions with the rife.

I know that all of our bodies are different, so there really can't be a 'one size fits all' protocol for this.

I have been following D Bergy's post's like a mad woman. And I got on the rife forum because of him. There is a lyme forum there.

Or maybe we can start a Rife thread, kinda like the AI or Germany threads??

I would be more than happy to discuss my treatment protocol on a lymenet thread, or over email or a PM.
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
I use rife as part of my treatment. I look at it as a piece of the puzzle.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
I've been rifing for almost a year now. I'm functioning at 90% most days. I quit all abx in June and have continued to get better and better. I rife once a week - sometimes more. I can't recommend it enough!

Lauren
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Asummers..

Yeah. A Rife Thread on Lymenet would be good..

If you would like to start one or any other ides .. or I could head over to the thread on the rife forum.?

I dont know what would work best There are more people coming out about using Rife here on Lyment and I bet there are quite a bit more..

So maybe start one here.

I think it would be helpful to go back and forth on dialoge about how to start out esp...

What frequencies or programs to use..

How often. Do you pulse and cycle programs?

Etc.

I have been doing things like Overall Cleansing Detox programs and lymph and liver and kidney supports that I was given by the manufacturer of my machine along with some recommendations by a doctor...

And then.. I cycle in Viral and Parasite and Lyme programs.

The thing is.. I have not ventured past the main general programs I was given to start with and I have been reading the Frequenies list and there are like 10 plus different lyme programs and also many of each of protozoan and viral and fungal..etc.

So my biggest question is...

Do you try to treat a few things or one at a time.. and do you choose one program or rotate different ones.

I am finding to get information about what might work for me is going to take alot of trial and error. Like a lot....

I personally feel I need to find a good program for Lyme and as well as the protozoan viral and fungal issues..

On top of that detox and organ support I think are important.

I have been using these pre programed programs for now.

Each one has 5 to 15 frequencies and running 1 or 3 minutes each frequency. It adds up to a lot of time.

I know some who say they use one frequency and treat for 1 minute and work up..

But that seems so minimal.. and ... well ..I want to use supports too if I can..'
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
lymielauren - I tried to pm you but your box is full...

I was reading an old post about your reaction to your first babs frequency.

Can you tell me if you have kicked your babesia through rife?

If so, how many sessions did it take and do you happen to know which strains you had?

I have read in a couple of places that it is not too hard to get rid of babs through rife, but then I've also read that people were unsure of rife clearing coinfections.

What babs frequencies did you use?

Thanks so much!

tickbattler
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
I have used it successfully in the past and am using it again for a new bite - i'm not an expert or doctor but I'd be happy to share my experience with anyone interested. Please feel free to send me a PM.

For me it helped tremendously three years ago - I used it as my main treatment during a relapse or new bite - not sure because I developed a severe yeast infection from the meds.

In my opinion and experience - it was the best thing that ever happened to me while dealing with this disease!

The second best thing was learning how to detox!

All My Best,
Scott
 
Posted by lifeline (Member # 3445) on :
 
I have rifed for approximately 4 years now, usually at least every 2 weeks. I feel it helps me maintain the wellness I have. I have also been off abx.

I have an EMEM5A from DT.
 
Posted by Karen Mc (Member # 23354) on :
 
this is great info everyone,
keep contributing..


as with everything else here most of it is "greek" to me. I am trying to educate myself and this really helps.

Interesting though (as I had no idea what rife was) so I quickly google it (on my way to work) and found 1 site that offered a machine for 1795.00 ouch but when listing the things it helps it didn't include Lyme--hum interesting, seems like they would like to include ALL ailments it can/may help.

Hate to say but at first I was glad to FINALLY get a REAL diag. as to why I am sick but now after the "stigma" and denial of medical community I feel more like a red headed step-child [Frown] [shake]

Don't mean to offend any red-headed step children but I think you get my drift (:

Take care and God Bless
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
I am a rifer. Have been for 5 yrs.

Pam
 
Posted by sapphire101 (Member # 6638) on :
 
I'm seriously thinking about using rife. How in the heck do you know what machine is best to get? I have no idea.

I'm afraid I won't know how to use it if I get one.

It would be great to have a thread here for rife.

Can some of you give me your opinion about the different machines? I would appreciate it.

Sapphire
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Frequency treatments have been my wife's main treatment all along. She no longer has any lyme symptoms. The bacteria has been reduced to a very low level, but is still present in some of the joints, as she can still feel the treatments in specific areas.

The Rife labs EMX is a decent machine for the money, and can run high frequencies needed for the calculated DNA frequencies for Lyme, which do seem to slowly degrade cyst form Lyme.

The GB-4000 is also a good machine with lots of features, but requires contact mode for use.

Most any of the EMEM's will work for the standard Lyme frequencies.

There are many different models that will do the job, and are proven. I recommend one that can run in the Mhz range so a person is not limited to the type of frequencies used.

I think a Rife section would be a good idea, but I suspect that it will not fly. It is not politically correct treatment.

In the past, it has been difficult to even mention it, without a barrage of negative posts, from non users. That has changed for the better lately. I suspect if it gets to be a serious subject here, you may see a flurry of what has happened in the past. But, maybe I am wrong.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I know what you mean Dan.

but already there is a lot more interest and people participating that i thought would answer this post.

I think its great..

I would love to ba able to start sharing specifics.

I have the BCX Ultra because it was recommended to me specifically by a professional.

I had no idea what to choose and figured it is pretty much down the middle and not the highly expensive but really low either and has all the options of tayloring and programing that I thought I might need.

It also has the Plasma Ray Tubes that are the Contact method as well as the foot plates and metal hand cylinders. It also have LED as an option and I haee the LED attachements for it. Also Wet pads and sticky pads. I hvae not used the extra yet. I wan0 to figure out what I am dong more first.

I would like to start out by posting a set of Lyme programs I started using

Lyme Program (3 minutes each progamed)
799-803-640-847-1087-1112-1455-2016-2050-4320-6870

I then do

Liver Support (1 min each programed)
337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546

Lymph Support (1 minute each programed)
146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846

Kidney Support (1 minute each programed)
248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-5162

In the end I do a General Detox

I will not post all those numbers but can another time too.


Then I do a General Viral and General Protozoan in addition to Lyme if I feel up to it.

Thats as far as I have gotten...

I also am looking at the master lists of frequenices on the CAlFL site and you can download
the condensed frequency list.

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm


So far I have not been able to do this more than two times a week.

Each of the frequnecies on the lyme and viral and protozona are 3 minutes each so it gets to be a long session if I add them in.

I read and was told that you should use at least 3 minutes on the frequencies that you are using to kill things off...

I am just learning.. Any comments and suggestions welcomed..

I could change the title of this started thread.. too.
 
Posted by sapphire101 (Member # 6638) on :
 
Dan, thanks for the info. I know absolutely nothing about these machines other than what I've read here.

They do sound like a good alternative. I'm assuming they treat co's also. I think I've read that. Sorry, I'm sure it's been answered. I can only blame it on my lyme brain.

If you were getting a machine which one would you get? I want to get the most for my money and since I know nothing I don't want to make a mistake and wish I had gotten a better one.

The way I see it if there is a thread on rife the ones that don't want to read can just pass on by.

I don't see what the deal is since it has helped several here.

I appreciate all the information you share with your experience.

Sapphire
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
What I have been recommending is the EMX from Rifelabs. It will run any Lyme related frequency, and yet is a very basic, bare bones, easy to use plasma machine.

I think for most people starting out, this offers the needed features without breaking the bank.

The GB-4000 is more expensive and has lots of handy features. The contact mode is inconvenient to use for long term treatment, and that is the only gripe I have about it.

The BCX Ultra is a good machine also, but I have not used one, so I am not familiar with the features.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I have really wanted to use the Rife machine for Detox but I have not heard of others doing it.

Here is a site that sells a machine just for that.!

http://www.detox-review.com/the-detox-box-rife-machine

I have found a great comparison document of kinds of rife and the actual machines out there too. But i can not find it.

Here is another one that is ok but not near as good. But it might help beginners understand the kinds of rife machines and get familiar with the "types" and "names". For me I was suprised about how much there is to learn about. Just learning about the types of machines was step one.

Then... starting to learn about the various models available for each type... I then became familiar with some of the lingo that semed so foreign

http://www.pulsedtech.com/products_comparison.html

If anyone else has any sites or documents to share on just learning about Rife machines and comparing kinds and products.. please post them.. it would sure be helpful to us newbies.

[Smile]
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
The emx Dan is talking about (correct me if I'm wrong) was from www.rifelabs.com and this is where I bought one of the first machines Dave made. I was referred to him by DT because I was in a hurry (just my personality).

I used the emem3d machine to get close to 95% better then added periods of antibiotics for 3-4 days at a time, once a month which got me back to 100%. Also salt/c for a couple weeks.

I also spoke to Dave numerous times throughout the time I was using it and he was a fantastic guy. Unfortunately he just passed away a few months ago but lucky for those interested his son is taking over the business. I am not affiliated with anyone!

When I got better and returned to work I also bought a coil machine from www.coilmachines.com. I rarely used that one until now and it is pretty strong(just bitten again).

I was bit on Nov.1 and used the following: I also have had breathing and sweat symptoms this time which the machines wipe right out - Babesia? who knows - I did not have those symptoms years ago.

...4 days of doxy - herxed

...Rifed with both machines 2 times a week - herxed each time

...added another 3 days of doxy - felt better but no herx

Been rifing 2 times a week since - herxed each time.

I'm trying to get to once a week.

Almost 6 weeks and I've used 7 days of meds.

I'm not recommending anyone follow my treatment -this is just my choice.

Detox is a definite.

I too will be interested to see how long this thread lasts.

All My Best,
Scott
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
According to B. Rosner, you should only rife every 2 wks. That's how I do it.

The EMEM5A is a very good machine and it's "cheap."
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
I agree, every two weeks is a starting point but as you get further into treatment each person should/could individualize their own timeline.

Right now I do not feel like I have a high bacteria load but I do feel like I have an active infection and can feel the difference with closer treatments; plus I am able to deal with the herxing thanks to a steadfast detox plan - knock on wood. Time will tell.

3 years ago - the further I got into treatment the more time in between I took - just because I felt better.

Thanks for pointing that out!
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
Lymetoo, how much was your rife machine? I really may go this route soon. [Smile]
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
We are to the point that I can treat my wife every day, with no herx reaction.

It took a long time to get to that point, but it is good to be there.

I am trying to eliminate the last of it, but like every other step along the way, it is not fast.

Dan
 
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
 
I have the DT EMEM5 too. I only rife every two weeks. It still makes me herx really hard. I usually have one really bad week after I rife and then a really good week.

Kathy
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Here is the frequency thread from October:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/86510?

I use an EMEM3- it's an analog machine where you have to tune in each frequency. It's very annoying, but effective.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Tickbattler, I cleared my mailbox!

To answer your questions: Yes, I kicked babs with my machine. I was on malarone and zith for 7 months and relapsed, then did mepron and zith for 6 months. Within days of stopping I relapsed again.

I started out using my machine (I have a DT EMEM5) twice a week for babs. The first few times I did 570, 20 and 27 for 2 minutes each. After like the 3rd time I increased each frequency by one minute until I worked my way up to 5 minutes each frequency. Then I heard that 76 was a possible babs frequency so I added that one to the mix. I would say it took me about 3 months to kick babs this way.

I know one guy who beat babs in 3 weeks but he treated every day...I didn't feel I could handle doing it every day so I went at a little slower pace. In the same breath babs herxes are mild and there's usually an immediate clearing of symptoms following a treatment, so you actually feel much better.

Hope that helps!
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Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Wow lymielauren,

That is wonderful to hear. I wish I could start now but am waiting for my machine.

Did you take Mepron or artemisinin or anything else for babs while you were rifing? If not, that would certainly indicate that rifing did it alone.

Thank again for such encouraging news!

tickbattler
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Wow springshowers, I am gone for a day and this thread has grown!

This is great. Thank you for starting the thread here, I think it is a good idea to post here rather than another site.

Keeping track of all the lyme sites to visit is getting a bit overwhelming.

When I read your post about using all the detox frequencies, I had to chuckle, b/c that is what I have been wrapping my head around wanting to try. But I am too scared.

I have only been rifing with the lyme & babs frequencies. And I realized that I have been going over board on the rife. (a problem with my type A personality)

Any frequencies I knew about where from either Bryan Rosner's book (IMO a must read for rifer's) and frequencies listed here on lymenet by other rifers.

Lymielauren28 & Maureen2174 - gave me the confidence to start rifing. I used to live in the midwest and when I found out I would be moving to Australia, I got nervous and purchased a rife machine as an insurance policy.

I was concerned that I wasn't going to be able to get the kind of tx in Australia as I was in the states. So I ordered it before moving, so I could pack it up with our house stuff, that way it could pass through customs.

When I first started I was doing 30 seconds on the following frequencies:
Lyme: 432, 380, 612, 650, 800, 4320, 4328, and then 10,000 (1 min).

I didn't feel any herx, so 5 days later I went up to 1 min on each frequency - no herx. 5 days later 1.30 min - no herx. 5 days later 2.00 min and finally a herx.

I have never been a big herx person. I mean, I can be herxing and still function, not a full capacity, but I can be somewhat productive.

I was thinking that the reason that I wasn't herxing was b/c I was on 10 months of abx and had made really great progress. I was thinking the lyme was hiding real good in my body and that is why there was little reaction to the rife sessions.

Around this time I started to treat Babs with abx. And I began to herx real bad and all the progress made on abx, was gone. So that got me thinking, I should treat for babs mostly and then lyme every 2 weeks.

Babs frequencies: 570,20,27,76,5776,753,432,1584,1583 all 2 mins. I do this every Monday & Thursday. Then every 2 weeks I do the lyme frequencies.

The night of and day after I rife, I sit in my FIR sauna to help detox.

I am going to New Zealand tomorrow and won't be able to rife for 1 week, so I will see how I feel when I get back. But I am thinking of cutting back on the time for each frequency.

I am also planning to looking into ordering the DNA frequenices that D Bergy has talked about. I will do that when I am back in town next week.
 
Posted by jenny76 (Member # 18205) on :
 
Can anyone recommend a certain kind of Rife machine? Can it be done with abx or just herbs? I really want to do this!
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
I think there are five being mentioned in the thread.

emem and emx - rifelabs
DT Emem
Gb4000
coil machine
BCX Ultra

I can only speak on the two that I have - the emem3d from rifelabs and the coil machine. I like them both.

At the time I was out of work and could only choose one when I bought my first machine - I only had money for the emem3d plus it had a 60 day money back guarantee and I personally picked it up so I knew where it was being made. I would make the same choice again if that were the situation.

Actually, I may be looking at a third machine that gets to the higher frequencies but I have to wait until Christmas is over before I run that one by my wife!
 
Posted by jenny76 (Member # 18205) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by secondtimearound:
I think there are five being mentioned in the thread.

emem and emx - rifelabs
DT Emem
Gb4000
coil machine
BCX Ultra

I can only speak on the two that I have - the emem3d from rifelabs and the coil machine. I like them both.

At the time I was out of work and could only choose one when I bought my first machine - I only had money for the emem3d plus it had a 60 day money back guarantee and I personally picked it up so I knew where it was being made. I would make the same choice again if that were the situation.

Actually, I may be looking at a third machine that gets to the higher frequencies but I have to wait until Christmas is over before I run that one by my wife!

Thank you so much for the info. I know nothing about them but want to get one! Thanks again!
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
I do want to clarify that when I started rifing for babs I didn't do anything else but rife. My insurance canceled me and I had NO money for any more meds. I then had no choice but to rely soley on my machine. So not a doubt in my mind that rifing is responsible for beating babs. I'm still plugging away at lyme and probably will be for some time but I'm much, much better.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Here is a good page to read that can help you understand the different Kinds of machines and also it lists who manufacturers them and links..


http://www.dfe.net/links_rb.html
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
The BCX Ultra is a mixture of a plasma lamp device and a pad device.

So you get both technologies in one machine

I have not used any other machine so I can not give any comparisons based on personal experience.

Here is another listing that shows frequency machines and their sites.

http://www.dfe.net/links_fg.html

Surely this is not complete.. Its amazing how many machines are actually out there.. It can be kinda overwhelming once you start looking into it and looking around at machines..
 
Posted by coltman (Member # 21272) on :
 
I am seriously considering buying one. Main barrier - that EMX machine appears to be on hold due to creators death and the power output is not quite right. Gb4000 is just crazy expensive (well I cant justify that price for freq generator and amplifier)
 
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
 
I'm going to run a shared machine past our support group in our county. I'll let you how things unfold.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can buy used frequency devices from this page, but you really have to be careful doing this.

I bought my GB-4000 used from a private party.

http://www.drloyd.com/bb/index.php

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Here is a table that compares many, but not all devices and their features. Someone from the Rife Forum is still working on the table, so it is not complete.

http://www.rifewiki.org/wiki/R.I.F.E_Machine_Table

Dan
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
What's the difference between power levels? I see the Perl is 120 and the EMEM is .20. Makes the EMEM seem not too powerful??

Thanks!

quote:
Originally posted by D Bergy:
Here is a table that compares many, but not all devices and their features. Someone from the Rife Forum is still working on the table, so it is not complete.

http://www.rifewiki.org/wiki/R.I.F.E_Machine_Table

Dan


 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Most machines are not putting out much power, but not much is enough for most pathogens. The original Rife Ray had an output at the tube of about 50 watts. I think the Rife Ray #4 was actually 50 Watts also, but I will have to confirm that. I do not remember any of the original machines putting out more than 50 Watts.

If you look at the price of the Perl and the others, you can see that lots of power costs lots of money.

Lyme is particularly hard to kill in all of its forms, but even the low powered machines do a pretty good job at reducing it to minimal amounts.

It is that last 10% that is really hard to get rid of. The stuff in the middle of your body deep in the joints.

Dan
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Thanks, Dan. Can teasel root possibly help pull that out? Also wonder about energy medicine at that point.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan

My joints are not hurting so much more and I think it is the rife.

Is that a good sign? Meaning does that happen when you alredy have gotten the load down quite a bit?

Also. You shared once that 612 was a frequency you used for Lyme that worked well.

I looked up that number on the compressed lists and some of the programs given to me by others and the manufacturer etc and did not find that number on the lyme lists.

Do I remember it right??

Also.. Can others share what frequencies they use for:

Lyme
Babesia
Bartonella
Protozoans
Viruses
Funguses

Such as your best or favorite ones or strings of frquencies programed ...

I know this can be a bit list but if those who have used a rife and had time to experiment and find what works best for you..

I realize we might need to use different ones for each of us.. But for those of us still starting out.. it could really help to hear from others who have gone through a lot of the beginning process already.

Or anything you have learned that took a long time to learn and can share that might save us time and energy to learn...

If any of the older time users can help in any way by sharing anything you know..?

For those using the hand held cylinders and foot plates. Do you wet them or use saline or salt water on them or just use them without that??
I read that you can get a better connection and flow using that method.

Also.. does anyone else have a machine with Ray tubes.? Do you put them under your arm pits? Hold them one in each hand? Or what other places do you place them that is effective?

I read on my machine i can use the ray tubes and hand held cylinders and foot plates all at once and some report better treatments this way..
Anyone try that too?

How about the sticky pads or wet pads.. Are those for specific local treatments.. ?? or?

Ok> I guess I really need to wait on the book I ordered and read up myself..

But any ideas suggestions and experiences appreciated.

Thanks
Much.
Sorry so long
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
what about RIFE for bartonella? I really need to get rid of that one, BLO whatever it is. Does it work?
 
Posted by Sarah182 (Member # 15774) on :
 
I just tried the frequencies for bart and I felt sick a few minutes into it. (my machine runs in groups of 5 min)

Actually felt sick the rest of the day too, which is different than how I respond to the lyme frequencies.

I think it worked, may be too soon to tell, but I think it did something.
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
Can anybody recommend frequencies they found useful for Bartonella and Babesia?
 
Posted by mv (Member # 21888) on :
 
Thanks for taking the time to post all the encouraging words. I have a machine, and my dr. really wants me to try it as my body doesn't seem to be responding well to treatment. I've been scared to start though, since I know strong herxes come as a result. With four kids it's hard to find time to be sick! LOL No pain no gain though. The good results are giving me the encouragement to just do it! I need to get better for my family.
 
Posted by jenny76 (Member # 18205) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CD57:
what about RIFE for bartonella? I really need to get rid of that one, BLO whatever it is. Does it work?

CD, do you know if our doc is on board with this?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I would like to see sharing of Frequencies but it seems people are not sharing that info too much.

Do most of you use the CAFL list??

The Consolidated Annotated Frequency List (CAFL)


The latest versions of the CAFL and NCFL plus a few articles are also available in a paperback book called The Electroherbalism Frequency Lists..Click here or on the bookcover picture for details. Note that there is nothing in the book which is not also available on this website. The book includes the CAFL, the NCFL, the CAFL Cross Reference, an Introduction to Bioelectronic Therapy Devices, James Bare's "Understanding Our Frequencies Through Harmonics Associations", and "Electrical and Frequency Effects on Pathogens."

See the Introduction to the Frequency Lists to view notes and explanations of terms used in the CAFL and NCFL.

The CAFL is available in both PDF and text formats. Text is included below, or click on the link to view the PDF version.

CAFL v2007-05-16 (PDF)

Here are the programs for

Babesia - 76, 570, 1583, 1584, 432, 753, 5776

Bartonella_henslae (virus which causes cat scratch fever) - 364, 379, 645, 654, 786, 840, 842, 844, 846, 848, 850, 857, 967, 6878, 634, 696, 716, 1518


Lyme_and_Rocky_Mtn_Spotted_Fever_v - 7989, 1590, 239, 846, 422, 417, 1455, 39975, 40439, 884, 797, 758, 693, 673, 577, 4870, 4880, 578, 128, 579
Lyme_disease (also known as borreliosis; relapsing fever in humans and animals caused by parasitic spirochetes from ticks. Also use Babesia if necessary.) - 6870, 6863, 46866, 46851, 34170, 34112, 4200, 2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 920, 884, 800, 797, 758, 673, 625, 615, 605, 432, 345, 344, 338, 254
Lyme_1 - 864, 495, 485, 490, 495, 500, 505, 625, 610, 615, 620, 625, 630, 690, 790, 785, 790, 795
Lyme_2 (use 625 for 10 min, 615 for 5 min) - 10000, 6870, 6863, 4200, 2720, 2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 943, 920, 885, 884, 880, 864, 800, 797, 795, 790, 785, 758, 732, 727, 699, 690, 688, 673, 664, 673, 660, 644, 630, 625, 620, 615, 610, 605, 597, 534, 533, 525, 510, 505, 495, 485, 490, 500, 484, 432, 345, 344, 338, 306, 254, 230, 3
Lyme_3 - 27735768, 1380882.58, 68750.10, 3422.87
Lyme_4 (use 2016 and 625 for 10 min, others for 5 min) - 2050, 1520, 615, 2016, 625
Lyme_5 (use 920 for 10 min) - 920
Lyme_6 (borrelia afzellii) - 387500
Lyme_7 (borrelia burgdorferi) - 380000
Lyme_8 (borrelia garinii) - 382000
Lyme_hatchlings_eggs - 640, 8554, 203, 412, 414, 589, 667, 840, 1000, 1072, 1087, 1105
Lyme_JB - 27735768
Lyme_secondary (254*) - 254, 525, 597, 644, 885, 699
Lyme_tertiary - 306, 432, 484, 610, 625, 690, 864, 2016, 790
Lyme_TR_A (Program A, run every other day) - 6675, 4879, 2899, 2720, 2016, 1800, 1600, 1550, 1519, 1455, 1433, 885, 880, 863, 828, 802, 786, 776
Lyme_TR_B (Program B, run every other day) - 765, 758, 749, 726, 672, 604, 600, 581, 464, 451, 432, 345, 250, 144, 62


http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am not familiar with Teasal Root, so I guess I do not know. I am hoping I can get to it where it is at. My wife does not tolerate oral treatments at all.

Joint pain seems to be caused for two Lyme related reasons, although other pathogens such as Mycoplasma Pneumonia can also cause it.

Active Spirochetes in the joints will make joints painful all of the time. When you kill these Spirochetes the joint pain will go temporarily higher. It can even go higher during treatment.

Once you have killed most of the active Spirochetes joint pain will go down, usually dramatically.

You can be symptoms free if you have little or no active Spirochetes and still be infected with Cyst form. It takes quite some time to be able to kill most of the active Spirochetes. The Herx can be so severe it limits treatment times to what you can handle.

It would be quite easy to kill most of them in one shot if you ran the frequencies long enough. I would not advise trying it, but treat as often as is allowed by your Herx reaction.

Another cause of joint pain comes when you use the DNA frequencies for the first few times. Now you are killing cysts, but at a slower rate, and the dead material causes more inflammation. This takes a while to go away, but it does go away as the joints are cleared out.

This is based on my experience over the last four years, and what I have figured out is happening based on repeatability of treatments and results

The 612 hz frequency is probably given at its lower Harmonic of 306 Hz. I found that 612 Hz worked better. This particular frequency was used by Coil Machine originator Doug McLean. He witnessed, under the microscope, Lyme Spirochetes spinning and being broken apart with this frequency.

Another one he saw working first hand was 432 hz.

I think these two frequencies are likely all that are needed to kill Spirochete form Lyme native to this country. Some of the other frequencies likely work also, but I do not know to what degree.

Now, all I use for Spirochetes is 612 Hz. I also run a Harmonics auto program on my GB-4000 that runs eight Harmonics of 612 at one time. Works real well, but I am not sure if it works any better than 612 Hz alone.

I have treated for Babesia, but I cannot say for certain if my wife had it or not. She had some symptoms, and reacted strongly to the frequencies.

I have used all of the CAFL frequencies and the DNA frequencies for Babesia. They both seem to knock it down fairly quickly. I never treated for months for Babs, but maybe a week, and the symptoms abated for a long time. Some times coming back months later.

I cannot identify any particular frequency that is effective, as I ran them all as an auto program on the GB-4000.

Viruses seem to be real easy to kill. I have never treated any virus longer than a week. Sometimes two treatments will eliminate a viral illness.

H-Pylori is easy to kill also. Six days of treatment will eliminate it from the Stomach.
676 Hz is usually the most effective frequency for this.

For a particular pathogen, I prefer to use Char Boehm's DNA frequencies. They have such a good track record with me, that it saves time and hunting for an effective frequency. Most of these will work better in the Mhz range.

I would suggest anyone with Lyme that is also having symptoms of autoimmune disease, treat for the XMRV retrovirus. It is not clear at this time that it causes autoimmune disease, but since we have a good method of disabling it with super low risk, why not use it? Char Boehm has the only frequencies available for this.

I have some scant personal evidence that it XMRV might be the cause of my autoimmune illness, but it is not bullet proof by any means.

I have not treated for many of the other co-infections, and I do not think frequencies can kill everything, so I cannot say how effective this works for them.

Strongyloides do not seem to respond to frequency treatment, even with a high powered Rife type device.

There are some circumstances where other methods are better for some particular pathogens.

Pads and such can be used for localized treatment, but also work for the whole body, especially if using an RF carrier frequency.

I have used a positive and negative contact on opposite sides of my stomach, when treating H-Pylori. What a relief it was when it was gone!

That was my first success on myself. What a revelation that was!

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan.

Thanks so much for answering many of my questions. I so appreciate your sharing. Your experience in all these years really helps us who are starting out.

It is so valuable. Thank you thank you thank you.

So much.

I may start buying the DNA frequenies as you mentioned. It is hard to "find" the right ones sometimes as you mentioned.

One more question for now.

Have you treated for parasites or protozoan type infections. I am positive I have the blood type parasites such as fry bug and babesia too.

There are SOOOOOO many Protozoan Frequencies on so many lists and there are also Soooo many disasease that the lists refer you back to the parasite listings.

I was curious if you have been able to narrow down any numbers that work on those types>>>??

I do not know where to start??

Thanks again

I have had H Pylori too and I would like to treat to make sure I still do not have any issues and putting the contact pads on each side of the stomach sounds like a great idea.. probably so for the liver and other organs too>> ?

I really do like doing the Liver, Kidney and Lymph support that I use..

I can feel it when I do them and I can feel too my digestion system being stimulated which is very important too.

Just for that alone I think that rife is a good tool.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Oh

Do you feel it would be better to Rife one time a week and let the herx calm down that takes about a week..

or do less time 2 x a week.

I am at the point where I know what i can so far handle 1 x a week but I do a good time period of treating on that day.

I was not sure if it would be more effective to do less time and do it two times in the week.. or try that ?? Or stick with what I am doing and work up from there??

Any feedback?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think more frequent treatments are going to be more effective than a long treatment farther apart.

The reason is the Lyme converts to Spirochete form whenever, and the sooner you can kill it, the less it can spread.

You also are not allowing a huge amount to gather in between, so the Herx should be more predictable.

Of course, you still have to go by what you can handle. That is really the only limitation you have.

As I mentioned, I do not think the CAFL frequencies kill anything but Spirochete form. So the best you can do is keep hitting it often and gradually reduce the infection by preventing it from spreading and reproducing.

If you are using the DNA frequencies, you may be able to use these more often. They do not produce the intense Herx as it does not kill them quickly. You may kill quite a bit the first few times, so be careful at first using DNA frequencies. You likely have never really affected cyst form before, and there can be a lot of it. Expect a couple weeks of bad joint pain when starting these.

I use 612 Hz and the first ten DNA frequencies each treatment to keep hammering it in every form.

In general work toward an every day treatment, but you will not be able to do this fast. Do not push it to where you are miserable.

Babesia is all I have treated for. I do not know the specific frequency that was effective, but I will see if I can find a reliable source that knows the answer to that question.

Dan
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
As far as treating babs is concerned, for myself, the most effective frequencies were 570, 20, 27 and 76. 570 is babesia-specific. I had very strong reactions to 20 and 27 every time I ran them. Were they killing babesia or some other unknown pathogen? I can't say but they definitely killed something.

Dan - have you ever run 1224? I ran that as an experiment a few months ago and had a heck of a reaction to it. I've been running it ever since and it never fails to give me a strong reaction.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
1224 Hz is part of the Lyme Harmonic Auto program I use. It is another Harmonic 0f 306 612 etc.

I have also used 2,506,752 Hz which is a much higher Harmonic of the same frequency. It works well also.

I have been converting some of these frequencies up to the Mhz range to see if they work better.

It is hard for me to tell now, since so little Lyme is left to get rid of.

Dan
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I had tried a digital rife machine at an acquaintance's home. I had an immediate reaction.

I bought an EMEM3D machine (2 bulbs) 2-3 yrs. ago from Rife Labs.

I bought the analog because in Bryan's book he said that the frequency kind of migrated (I can't remember how he put it). He mentioned this might actually be better. Sorry, Lyme brain here, I read the book so long ago and now can't find it.

I never been one to get strong herx symptoms (accept with salt/C) and at the time didn't know that, so when I wasn't experiencing any obvious herx reactions I got nervous.

I did go to abx much later, because of being reinfected. So, for the mean time my sis is using the rife, because she can't afford treatment. She is kind of lax with treatment too, because she doesn't feel she is bad off. (She had treated with abx yrs. ago).

I plan on using it for maintenance when I go off the abx. I am real excited to hear you all talk about your experiences. Has anybody used it shortly after finishing abx treatment and noticed any herxing or further improvement?

liz
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
An analog machine has a natural slight drift in frequency as it is not digitally controlled.

This amounts to a small sweep as you are using it. Many Digital machines can do a sweep but they do not drift naturally.

Other than that aspect, they work the same.

Dan
 
Posted by Dancer (Member # 11039) on :
 
Glad I found this thread. My LLMD, from observations of numerous patients, is convinced it works. He is not formally recommending it because there need to be studies as to any long-term effects (potential DNA damage perhaps.) I am quite interested though.

He particularly mentioned the GB4000 as that's where he's seen the significant results and he said it has some feature, I forget my notes, which has an amplification effect and that makes it much stronger than other models.

He also said the Doug coil is also effective, but less user friendly than GB4000, I don't know why. GB4000 costs about $2500.

I'm definitely going to learn more about this, so thanks for starting this thread!
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
GB4000 has a long positive track record and is portable.

Doug Coil does too but it is pretty big - the desk top one that I have from coilmachines.com is not hard to operate at all but is not very portable - it could be moved but it is heavy -

There are also a few other people making them now. Not sure how good their product is.

Emem's track record is very good too. I used the one from rifelabs three years ago got better, put it away and pulled it out 6 weeks ago and it works fine. I'm sure the DT model is just as reliable.
 
Posted by BTTaylor (Member # 14342) on :
 
I have been using EMEM 3D from Rifelabs since May of 09. It is the first thing I have tried that makes me feel positive about getting better - because I have been feeling better. I was on antibiotics for 18 months along with lots of other things most doctors prescribe to rid yourself of lyme bacteria. Some people are afraid to try rifing because of the unknown but my feeling was that my quality of life was not good anyway so I was willing to try. I had been sick for 4 years before finding out I had lyme. Diagnosed with chronic fatigue.

I started rifing slowly - one minute. Now I am up to 14 minutes at each sitting every other week. Tried to rife more often in the beginning but I was herxing too much. After the holidays I may try rifing weekly. I rife for babesia, lyme and always end with the 10k for detox.

A little frightening starting out since I felt there wasn't much help out there but Rifelabs was very helpful as have these forums. Plus my doctor, who also has lyme, has been encouraging, but she is cautious about what she says of course. She is going to begin to rife herself with the Doug Coil. I mainly wanted the EMEM machine because it is portable. Plus it was one of the ones recommended in Rosner's book.

Yes, I feel my healing has gone to the next level with the Rife machine. But even with the machine it takes time and getting better is still going to be a slow slow process. You have to keep with it, keep good records of which frequencies you use, how you react, rifing time etc. I am just so glad to be off antibiotics and excited to have something to feel positive about again.

Glad this post was started. I hope people keep adding. Beth
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
I use the CAFL list almost totally. Then I add other frequencies I hear about here and there online.
 
Posted by JOLA (Member # 23498) on :
 
I just had my third session w/rifing. think maybe we did a bit too much since i've been extremely ill for two days now. we have a machine on order, we have to get something going or else? when my husband first heard of it he thought it was quack med. but now has seen that it really does something everytime we use it so he up and ordered one. when you're as sick as we are you have to try everything.
apr09tested pos. lyme/bart/babs/ehrl
currently on mepron/biaxin/ceftin/plaquenil/diflucan herbs....
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Someone started this thread about killing the Fry Bug which is a goal of mine

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/88900

I added in the 72 and 120 and it hit me with the biggest punch yet...

So I suggest trying these to to start with. I will post any more infor I find out if and when I do.. : )
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I would recommend the BCX ULtra Rife Machine to anyone who is looking to buy. Just from my own experience so far and not from comparing to other machines which I have not..
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan

You mentioned there are XMRV Frequencies floating around. Can you share or point to where you have seen them?


Thanks
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
They are from Char Boehm. I was surprised that this virus had been genetically sequenced, but there it was.

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/store/index.pl?type=human


Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Check out this Machine.. if you got the money..

http://www.braintuner.com/Tesla-Star/index.html
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
PS

Is this true.?

If you want a Plasma Tube Non Contact device you have to buy a frequency Generator separately anyway.

Such as.. the BCX Ultra that I bought .. I can now buy the BCX Ultra Vortex Modulator Gas Filled Tubes that are used for NON CONTACT treatments.

http://www.sanovivstore.com/bcx-ultra-vortex-modulator.html
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
Has anyone rifed at night and fell asleep and ran the machine for 8+ hrs accidentally?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 


[ 07-04-2011, 06:22 PM: Message edited by: springshowers ]
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I have not rifed during the past week due to being on vacation. Looking back I am glad that I had the opportunity to be away from my machine b/c I was able to see how great I felt!

Dare I say, that I almost felt normal? Still struggled with fatigue, but overall I was doing pretty good. I also noticed that the ringing in my right ear had stopped. I attributed to rifing for babs with it disappearing.

While away on my trip I did partake in alcohol, which I think brought back the ringing in my ear just two days ago-- but it was worth it!

With the break in rifing, I also realized that I had been rifing to aggressively, and I am going to cut back on the amount of frequencies and length of rifing for babs, bart and lyme.

I am going to start rifing again tonight after a 1 week break.

I am so glad to see this thread growing.
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
Wow, maybe this really is the route I need. [Smile]
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
It is so nice to be able to read threads about alternative treatments without the nastiness that used to happen on this site.

It's no longer all about abx. Lymenet has become the big picture of healing with lyme & company.

Pam
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I agree Map.. !!! Very much so.


Asummers... Hey I had the same thing happen. I had to skip some time and I had better and better days!!


For me now .. Hitting the Parasite Frequencies seems to be the best bet. I think all my intensive IV abx and Treatments has handled the Lyme.!!!!

YEAH!!!

When I rife for Lyme I have no reaction. I have been trying it for a couple months....and various programs....

So the co infections that are Protozoan are left for me...

Also I do a Viral program every week for safe measures..

BY the way.. This is part of the transitional program from Envita. I sm sure you remember the other woman on here who was sent home with one after her six weeks of her son being treated.

I am getting more and more confident that this is what will get the last stuff that is not hit by the abx treatments...

My blood work was evaluated giving a direction for me too...

Reminder about 72 and 120 ... Nynah Silver writes that those two numbers kill 75 percent of parasites.

I am having reactions and side affects.... from the rifing that are typical of other treatments too. Its crazy..

Hey and do not forget to support your liver and lymps and kidneys etc.

If I skip a week of those Then I notice a strong reaction again the next week.. I think the toxin build up and the rifing helps detox too.. .

It is working for me...

: )
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Springshowers --

Yes, I remember a woman posting about her experience with Envita. I remember her eluding to her using a rife...interesting.

I am so excited that you are gaining confidence - that is great. I am hoping it will rub off on me soon 

A couple of questions for you:

So do you rife once or twice a week for liver, lymph, lyme?

Do you rife with the new numbers of 72 and 120 on a different day than the liver & lymph support?

I will be trying 72 & 120 around the 1st of the year. I just can't afford to be knocked out during the holidays.

I am also going to start rifing your liver & lymph support numbers today. I haven't been rifing for lyme, babs & bart this week b/c I have to attend my husbands holiday work functions.

I don't think it would look good at the dinner table if I was curled up under it experiencing a herx.

Thanks!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
hi..

I have not had herxing (per say) from Liver Kidney Lymph and Detox cleansing Rifing.

Therefore.. I do rotate now ... by doing the
Parasite Program... plus those two numbers I posted.. Then I do the viral program and then go into the liver kidney lyph and overall cleansing detox program.. Ending with detox

That is 1 x a week. Mondays

Then the 2nd time . Thursdays I do the same as above but I take out parasites and put in Lyme.

I have not had near the response to lyme anymore but I do not want to quit doing it. yet..

This way I keep in viral and body support and rotate back and forth Parasite and Lyme.

Does that make sense.

My own soup.. of sorts.

This last week.. I did Parasite two times and I am not quite ready of that.. i tried it and I am going to back off again.

Esp since the holidays.. as well....

But my goal is to get to Two times a week with the parasite protocols which are so much harder for me than Lyme now..

Thats it.. I hvae not extended past those.

I can feel it in my liver and kidneys when i run those programs. for liver and kidneys. It aches and I feel movement in them and .. sometimes when I am doing the kidney one I have to pause it to go pee.

I am not going to push it ... I am tired of herxing... I want to find that balance of moving upward without huge herxes .. I would rather go up slow and steady at this point that hit it hard and have to recover and repeat.

Hope your doing good... I relate to you about needing to time this stuff around certain timing of things and family and holidays etc..

Keep In touch..
 
Posted by David Miller (Member # 21583) on :
 
Does anyone know of any in-vitro rife research?

Can anyone point me to any published research on rife machines?

Thanks
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I just got the approval to order DNA frequencies.

Is D Bergy the only one posting here who is using these frequencies?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I have been having great results using Rife for Detox.!!

I feel asleep this morning after each program . well I dozed off... tiny naps.. [Smile]

I recommend anyone using rife to consider trying the organ supports..

My whole system gets stimulated and I can feel the movement... Esp in the digestive system.

That makes sense when your working on the organs and such. I am actually quite amazed.. by it.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
springshowers,

i was logging on to post the same thing that you just did.

i rifed the numbers that you provided for the lymph, liver and kidney detox/support and i felt great afterwards.

i was wondering if it would be OK to do this 3 -4 times a week?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
David..Sorry, I do not have such studies to point you to. Maybe someone else>??

Asummers..Good deal. Glad to hear it and that it not only helps me but works on someone else..

I have not gone to order the DNA frequencies yet but plan on it. Been busy and was going to wait a while yet. What do you mean you got the approval? Do you have to apply> and wait?

I do the detox and organ supports more often and just when I feel like I need to detox. So the answer from me is yes.

I am still at two times a week for killing... things : ) and then I will do the others at the same time and a couple extra times when I feel the need..

I am going to research some other supports for the organs and tr to match up numbers and see how those programs match up to some other lists too..

Let me know how the DNA frequencies go.. ok?
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
David -- I searched briefly the rife forum for your question, but did not see any info. You might want to google the topic of in-vitro rife.

Springshowers -- In my earlier post, I forgot to say Thank you for providing the frequencies to run for the detox. It is much appreciated.

The owner of the lists, asks you to sign legal documents. So you print them off and fill them out and then email them back. Then they send you an email that they received the documents and that you are now able to order the DNA frequencies.

I had no problem signing the documents, and felt that it was very reasonable to ask. It states that the money is used to fund her research. So if she can find more numbers for us to run on the rife machine, the better.

It will be a couple of weeks before I start to use them, so I will let you know.

In terms of detox, I am seriously considering coffee enemas. Yes, I said it! I am also getting to the end of my abx regimen, so I am considering doing rife & salt/C. But I will keep you posted.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
I can't wait to try 120 and 72! I believe some unknown parasite is a problem for me as I still react to other parasite frequencies I use.

Also, can someone point me to the detox frequencies? I've been all thrugh this thread and can't find them.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Oh yeah - Can someone also explain the DNA frequencies to me? How and why they work and why they're called DNA frequencies? What distinguishes them from all the other frequencies? Thanks!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The DNA frequencies are relatively new, although they have been around for a few years.

These frequencies are solely mathematically calculated based on the genetic sequencing of the DNA/RNA of the specific pathogen. They are not well tested, and they are essentially being tested by users at this time.

They are designed to hopefully disrupt and negatively affect the genetic material of the pathogen you are using it for. Since they have not been used by lots of people yet, it is unknown how well they work.

The CAFL frequencies are pretty much frequencies that past experienced users have reported work for various conditions. They are purely anecdotal, and are not calculated in any way. They have been determined by trial and error. Why they work is not always clearly understood.

Some frequencies probably do not work at all. But some do work well for certain applications.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
LL28
Here are the organ support numbers.

Liver Support (1 min each programed)
337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546

Lymph Support (1 minute each programed)
146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846

Kidney Support (1 minute each programed)
248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-5162

In the end I do a General Detox

I will not post all those numbers but can another time too.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I can come back and add the others I use

I have three others that are Detox, cleaning, healing type.. that I end with ..

I usually do the
1. Kill or treating of infections
2. Liver kidney Lymph supports
3. Detox and cleanse.

In that order..

Rotating .. what I treat... but always ending in
Number 2 and then number 3...

I guess I owe my 3rd numbers after reading my past posts...

Anyone else have any detox or support frequencies they use that helps.. Please.. let us know.

I also am working on transitioning off abx.. and Am thinking of either Salt C or MMS and Rife.

Or just rife...

Even when your feeling like you are getting better I do have fear of remission and know there are still issues to either clear out or to keep at bay.

It seems unfair we have to work so hard to just try to gain or even keep health.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Here is a set of Detox numbers that I was using.

DETOX Frequencies
20- 146- 333- 522- 555- 727- 787- 880- 10K, end with 465

I think I like yours better.

I have been re-reading parts of Bryan Rosners book over the past two days and I have made the big executive decision to go off abx.

As in, this week.

My LLMD has been treating me over the past year with a monotherapy approach to abx. I need to call him to see if I can arrange a telephone consultation with him to discuss my decision.

I feel that the abx has caused the bacteria to bury itself and hide in cyst form. I need to activate the lyme so I can hit it with the rife.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I can understand your decision.

I ams SOOO Happy I have been doing Hard Core IV abx for the last few months. I have made a TON of progress.

I though feel that.. there are infections that go places abx can not get to...

So that is also why i am trying it.... So far it is obvious I am right.. in my own case and for me..


I still am not letting go of IV Abx but am doing them in pulsing manner like M W F and not every day anymore...

I can see how this is a good transition choice..

I think if I started RIFE off the bat without really knocking things down I would really have a rough rough time.. I am sure it would take a lot longer to get to the point I am on..

But it might be possible.. but I visualize at least a year.. or more.. if even..

So there is a place and time for everything.. Its tough to know those answers but I have no regrets on my recent choices what so ever..

I really am so glad that I did what I did by and getting an integrative intensive approach..

Rife.. is another part of the puzzle. I think too that Rife is a great tool to keep things in remission..

As I feel better and better I am going to keep doing it on a regular basis.. not as often but regularly ...

Thanks for the detox numbers...

Here are my

General Cleansing program Numbers
337 464 467 576 688 728 786 803 856 882 912 1554 1862 2128 3337 5762 6667

Programed for 3 minutes each..

I have read about 10000 and end with 465

I have put those into my machine and used them but not so sure why and have not noticed a difference..


Anyone know the concepts of ending at 465?


AS .. Try the detox numbers above too and let me know what you think..
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
465 Hz covers a huge amount of pathogens and conditions. It is one of those catch all treatments.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Thanks for the number SS, I will try them tomorrow and let you know how it goes.

I did a bit of an experiment on Monday. I have been using your detox numbers and feeling really good.

Since I am glutton for punishment, after I ran your numbers, I ran 432 & 612 for just 1 min 45 seconds each. Right after I was done, the fatigue set in and I swore I could have taken a nap. Also right away I could feel the pain in my neck & shoulders. I could feel the herx all that night.

I was so excited. I never used to feel a herx right away. So I went to bed early, slept about 10 hours and later the next day, I feel great again.

So, it just confirmed for me that I was rifing too much before, and that sometimes, less is more.

I am glad you are finding success on IV abx, if I was still living in the States I think I would have tried that as well. I was on abx for 1 yr and I feel that I was stuck at 85% for a while.

Then when we moved, I felt really alone in terms of finding a doctor over here to treat aggressively with abx. I agree that I wouldn't have been able to do rife without lowering the bacterial load first.

Thanks D Bergy for the explaination for the 465 number.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Its funny.. Your on here at this time and its when i am about to go to bed I check in.. around 11pm or midnight....

I sure would love to go to Australia. I have a life long friend who is from there and she and her husband go quite often and I have been invited.> Just too sick..

But.... I will go someday..

: )

Do you like it there?

Anyway. Great about the Detox numbers working for you. They have worked for me too and keep on working. Are you doing it 3 times a week?

How funny that you did that and just added 432 and 612 at the end.

I am not going to try that... but I like to kill first and then cleanse?? LOL

Why did you choose to run those at the end? Just curious. Maybe it would be good to .. clear out to make room for the next kill LOL.

Funny Huh?

I still respond .. as far as herxing.. to parasite numbers..

I have a general parasite program and then the two other numbers I posted..

For now those are giving me a strong enough reaction.

It is funny how from session to session and week to week how I respond can be different. IN herx and in how i feel the frequencies.

What machine are you using again? I guess I could read up... Is it contact? If so .. do you use salt water on your plates and hand holds?

I have ray tubes. Those are my favorites but I run them along with both contacts and read that all 3 can be very benefitial. So I do it.

The joint pain is new for me and I assume its those cysts.

I am going to study my Neynah Sylver book more and I want to really read what she says about cyst forms and such.

I have learned a lot from D Bergy but I still feel I do not have a good grasp on it..

Does anyone know about or use any of the Rife that is used along with Foot bath ? It is being recommended to me.... but. I think i have enough going on..
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Check this out

Rife killing parasite on video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSYcN5A1qJE&feature=PlayList&p=5FFCFAD1DA0ECF1C&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am beginning to think that the DNA Lyme frequencies damage cyst form Lyme when in the soft tissues, more than in the joints themselves.

I am guessing that the cartilage and bone somewhat protects the bacteria from the frequencies, reducing a direct killing effect.

What I am seeing is that even though the frequencies are not as effective in these joint areas, they do seem to threaten the bacteria enough that they tend to convert to Spirochete form shortly after treatment. Within one weeks time. Sometimes the next day, but not usually.

I will get these surges in Spirochetes, within a week of no treatment. In another words there is no real remission period any more, longer than a week. One week of not treating and there will be this surge in Spirochetes. She starts feeling joint pain, I run 612 Hz and this kills off the Spirochetes. She can feel this frequency quite easily when there is active Lyme, and does not feel it when there is no active Lyme.

Active Lyme = Joint pain

No active Lyme = No joint pain. (This does not apply when starting DNA frequencies. There is a temporary surge in joint pain as the easier cysts are eliminated in the beginning.)

Active Lyme = feeling 612 Hz frequency

No active Lyme = not feeling 612 hz.

From what I can tell, based on symptoms, is that there is a direct slower killing effect from the DNA frequencies in easy to reach places such as soft tissue.

A secondary effect of causing the cysts form to convert to Spirochete form faster than it normally would.

Of course, this is based solely on observation, and I do not have the means to 100% verify this process, but I think it is accurate enough for our purposes.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan that is very interesting indeed..

Can i ask how long you have been trying to get at these last parts of the disease on your wife?

Meaning you feel you got all you could and now are chasing the cysts and are on this one week cycle.

Do you see a decrease in the load as you move along week to week? Meaning I wonder if you keep on hitting it each week that they come out as Spirochetes that the cyst load will decrease?

Or do they somehow have the ability to remain the same or even multiply and grow in numbers?

This end spot sure seems key and so important in our recovery...

Does your wife have other symptoms besdies joint pain when the lyme is active again? Or is it saying localized to joints?


Thanks for all your input and time.. Your feedback is so very valuable to us all.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
They bacteria is not increasing, that much I can tell. The cyst load is down from when we started using the DNA frequencies in June.

There are no more hits in the soft tissue as there was to begin with. So what I can determine is that overall there is less Lyme than six months ago.

Whether we are still further reducing the load down from one month ago, I cannot say for sure.

She has no Herx reaction even when Spirochetes occur and are killed. But that has been the case for a while now.

I was treating every day, but kind of gave it a rest as we had many Holiday functions going on.

Now, I am kind of interested in seeing if this cycle of less than a week conversion stays the same. Previously she could go two or three weeks without symptoms, although it varies. Six Weeks was the record, after a high fever.

One week is quite a bit shorter than normal. Until I can routinely get no reaction to the DNA frequencies or 612 Hz, and no conversion, I will not really know if the level of bacteria is getting lower, or just staying the same. There is too little to gauge it one way or another.

I will need more time, and I am getting impatient.

She does not have any other symptoms, other than the joint pain when the Spirochetes come out. Possibly a slight amount of ankle pain, with or without the Spirochetes.

Her initial invasion was heavy in the ankles, and it seems to be the place of choice for the Lyme.

If the ankles are cleared out completely, I doubt there would be any left any where else.

Dan
 
Posted by mati (Member # 15233) on :
 
I am really keem to start Rifing but I am scared because I don't think that my body can cope with the mercury that will be released when I start. At the moment I am trying to heal leaky gut and Hashimoto's and to do this have excluded gluten and dairy, juicing vegetables and taking digestive enzymes.


I am wondering how I will know when I can start Rifing, has anyone else got mercury poisoning amd at what point did they start to Rife? Thanks.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Hey SS --

I was without internet access so I am playing catch up.

I really like living in Australia. I think the plan is to be here for 4 yrs. So maybe we will meet over here one day [Wink]

I am meeting some other Aussie Lymies on boxing Day (the day after Christmas). We are meeting for support and to learn more about the Salt/C protocol. I think some of them are familiar with rife.

I didn't mean to add 432 & 612 at the end, it was kinda an impulse decision. Like you said, I would rather do them 1st, then mop up with the detox protocol. And that is what I will be doing from now on.

I rifed the other day for Babs, just 570, 20 & 27. 1.45 mins each number, and I felt it right away again. Neck pain and fatigue. Then used the liver/lymph/kidney protocol.

I know this sounds foolish, but I am feeling that I am finally getting good at listening to my body and its reaction to lyme & the die-off/herx.

I agree it is weird how week to week we have different reactions to the different numbers.

As soon as New Years is over, I am going to try your parasite frequenices. I just didn't want to chance taking the plunge and be out for the count for the holidays.

I have a DT EMEM5a machine, no contact for me. There is someone who is selling a GB4000 over here. I was thinking about buying it. But I need to do more research.

I am also going to look into buying the Sylver book you mentioned.

Well it is Christmas Eve for me so I would like to wish anyone who is reading this a Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Sounds good..

I like checking in on what your saying and doing and it seems we are kinda doing the same things on the same time frame etc.

I am thinking about getting the add on plasma attachment that is a stand alone for my rife. Then I have the choice of doing no contact or contact. I also have the plasma ray tubes and led and other attachments. I have a lot of choices.. I like that and want to start using more options and experimenting with them.

I have used the LED lights and put them on my face : ) Heard the help with skin too and my skin has felt like it has stopped regenerating.. I also read that LED treatments can help with the blurry vision problem we all seem to struggle with.. I have only done it two times so I can not report..

Like i wrote on another thread.. Rife takes lots of patience and time.. but it feels worth it so far.

Thats great that your feeling more in touch with your body.> Go with it. Just saying that means you are!. its great.

I am going to try those babs numbers too at one point.. I have not done much in trying to isolate things like babesia bartonella etc.. There is a big learning curve in just using the machine and listening to our bodies.. And in time I am sure I will learn to fine tune more.

Did you run those DNA frequencies you got? ...

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you too... and Happy New Year.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I did my first treatment today on my GB-4000, I did 7 Candida frx @ 1 min ea.

(Candida is my worst problem right now i think).

Tomorrow i'll try some more Candida frx.

There are so many Candida frx. How will i be able to sort out the effective from the ineffective? I don't have time to run each one separately, one per day!

Has anyone cured Toenail fungus this way??

----Polly Polygonum or how about
----Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Had my first rife session. I did two minutes at 484 but didn't get a herx

What do you experienced rifers advise me to do on the next rife session with regards to frequency and duration?

[ 12-27-2009, 05:00 AM: Message edited by: Lauralyme ]
 
Posted by unsure445 (Member # 15962) on :
 
Is Rife recommended by your LLMD's?

This sounds too good to be true that I am beginning to feel like a fool not going this route.

Is there a good website with information and some decent models available?

Thanks!
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
Lauralyme,

Since you didn't feel anything on that one freq, I (what I would do) would try others until I found the ones that work. There are plenty of numbers to choose from listed here. My favorites are:

21,27,306,432,612,800,918,4200

Unsure,

All of my doctors were aware of me using it but they could not and did not recommend it. The truth in my case the last time I was sick is that I slowly stopped seeing them because I just got better and better.

This time I was bitten again 8 weeks ago and did a total of 7 days antibiotics pulsed at 3 days and then 4 days so far with rife as my main treatment again. I also added in 4 days of Buhner's herbs which made me herx too. I think, well at least my experience has been that I needed to do a number of things to get better with rife as my main thing.

It's a personal decision that I made and this is just my experience but it seems to be the best choice I ever made.

All My Best,
Scott
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Scott many thanks

How long should the treatment be? I am still on antibiotics but have finally started feeling really well with just a handful of minor symptoms. I've just returned to work so I am apprehensive to experience a massive herx from too long of a rife treatment. Would two minutes be too long for the first treatment?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
612 Hz for one minute or less is plenty to start out with.

Since you are still on antibiotics, it is unlikely you will have much effect, as most frequencies only hit Spirochete form. The antibiotics tend to either kill all of the Spirochete form themselves, and/or prevent them from converting into Spirochete form.

That does not necessarily mean you are not killing any Lyme with the frequencies, but you are not killing as much as would normally occur using no antibiotics. That said, between the antibiotics and the frequencies, you are not leaving the Lyme much chance to progress.

To hit cyst form you will need to use the DNA frequencies.

Someone asked me about treating H-Pylori, so I will post here for everyone's benefit.

I had H-Pylori in the Stomach and after much experimentation, and failures, I did find an effective method of killing it.

I used the GB-4000 with one positive contact on one side of my Stomach, and the negative on the other side. I ran the single frequency of 676 Hz for five minutes, and ran a sweep for five minutes from 675 hz to 677 Hz to account for any mutation.

You do have to run this for at least five days in a row, or it will come back. I ran it for six days. I had run it for one session earlier and the burning Stomach pain would go away for about 36 hours, but then would come back.

You should get the same results with a plasma machine, but put it right next to your body for maximum effect.

There are some other strains of H-pylori, but 676 Hz addresses the most common strain. You will notice that even the CAFL notes that this frequency is one of the most effective. I can confirm that it is very effective.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
My suggestion would be not to limit yourself to just treating lyme. IF you know your co infections treat those too.

If not. still treat them.

I am finding that the protozoans are holding on and I herx the most when treating them.

Also. instead of one number or frequency there are also programs listed on the CAFL site. Where you run a string of numbers and therefore you chance of hitting on something is higher in my opinion.

But then again.. later one you may want to save time and try to narrow down which numbers are you responding to.

At first going one number at a time is hard as there are soooo many to try..
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
LLyme - You are welcome

From my experience I had to stop all antibiotics so I really do not know how to treat while on them.

From reading and talking to others that were using the machines most were off meds but some were not - you could use the machine to run detox and yeast treatments too but it all needs to be adjusted to what you are feeling and comfortable with.

The best thing for me this last 8 weeks and generally with rife is that you can time your treatments to deal with the herxes as soon as you establish a pattern.

Two minutes using a couple freqs should not be a problem - just try it when you are expecting a day off.

Four years ago I would rife and not herx until 3-4 days after (probably because my immune system was a wreck) so I thought this time would be the same - nope, I herxed the very next day and needed 2-3 days to detox but as soon as I figured it out I set my treatments up around my work schedule.

For me Wed. nights were good because Thursday and Fridays I had no meetings and Saturdays were good too because I would feel better by Monday when I had meetings. Of course there were other things like the kids games and stuff that I had to make so I rifed around them too.

It offers plenty of options so go slow and see how you respond. Things may be different if/when you stop the meds but you will, by then have a better understanding of how your body reacts.

By the way - I'm glad you are feeling well!!!

All My Best,
Scott
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Thanks so much all of you......the information is so helpful
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I began rifing right after stopping IV rocephin. Then I did oral ceftin and zithromax while rifing for a year. Then I dropped the zith, then a few months later I dropped the ceftin, but I kept rifing.

Now I rife 1 time per week or every two weeks if I get lazy. I notice increasing joint pain if I go more than a week or so without, so I know I still have bugs, BUT I am so, so, so much better.

I rife for lyme and mulitple co's. I do the lyme frequencies every time and certain co's on certain weeks. I also do a few detox frequencies but rely more on other detox measures like supplements, rest, acupuncture, etc.

Anyway, just wanted to report that I did overlap abx w/ rife and was able to wean off of abx without a significant relapse. I've now been off abx since 8/18/09.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
My wife had some discomfort in the finger joints and joints in the toes, with the treatment two days ago using the DNA frequencies. No symptoms other than those during treatment.

We have slacked off during the holidays, and it seems that the Lyme has gained a small amount of ground in that short period of time.

She has not had pain in the fingers for a few weeks, but now it was back again. It is hard to say for sure, but I think it multiplied a bit during the break.

The 612 Hz bothered her a little, but not much. Not much Spirochete form, judging by her minimal reaction.

That was in one weeks time without treatment. It makes me wonder how fast it can actually reproduce?

Tonight, she is not feeling any frequency, DNA or 612 Hz. It does not make a lot of sense to me, as she certainly was not cured with the treatment two days ago. I think in the future, I am not going to get much feed back from her, as the Lyme is so minimal.

Now I will have to come to some kind of time frame to keep treating, with no symptoms in general, or reactions from treatment. I need to kill the rest of the Lyme flying blind.

I also ran DNA based XMRV frequencies on my oldest son, as he may have my autoimmune problem. They did not have much, if any affect while running them.

The strange effect was my wife felt the second frequency in the area she developed Shingles. She was in the same room, but not close to the machine. I got that look, you know the one, and she asked what I was running on the machine.

The XMRV frequencies likely caused the original outbreak, and it seems that at least one XMRV frequency affects Herpes Zoster virus also. Not destroying it, but causing it to activate sometimes.

It also tells me that we did not destroy all of the Herpes Zoster Virus, but the CAFL frequencies did put it into remission.

You get some strange experiences after using frequency treatments for a few years. Luckily, most of them are positive, but my wife did not like the Shingles episode.

Dan
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
I can picture this mad scientist Dan pressing buttons and people screaming in the house. YES, THAT'S THE ONE. TURN IT OFF HONEY. [Smile]
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It is not quite that dramatic, but quite often I get, "what frequency is that!" and a nasty look.

That means that is the one I was looking for. The one that has an effect.

She has never refused a treatment. She knows it has worked without side effects, except for the Shingles episode, unlike all of the other methods we have tried.

She refused Spiro, because it made her mouth break out in thrush.

She refused Samento and Cumanda, although they worked well for a while, but Stomach problems eventually made it impossible to keep using.

MMS worked real well, but Stomach problems stopped that also.

That did not leave too many other options. She is running the machine herself tonight. She can't blame me this time.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The wife had sore ankles last night, apparently from the previous nights treatment. We focused treatment on the ankles, since this seems to be the single biggest reservoir of Lyme.

Ran 612 Hz for 10 minutes, no reaction.

Ran all of the DNA frequencies for five minutes. Some slight reactions in various places, but very slight.

She feels fine today.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
For those interested in current research in frequency treatments download the PDF at the following site and take a look at page three.

http://jdc.jefferson.edu/jss/vol4/iss2/1/

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan.. Your machine is Contact or no?

Have you used Sticky Pads or Wet Pads on her ankles to get a more direct treatment?
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
To whom it may concern:

Please do NOT give out DT's phone number to those you DO NOT KNOW or do not have reason to TRUST.

If they are brand new to the board, please be careful!!!!!

 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Dan,

I just read that article...WOW! That is very encouraging...I don't see how people can call rife and/or frequency treatments quackery when Jefferson Hospital is looking at it.

I know you mentioned in a separate thread that you didn't think rife would be accepted by mainstream medicine in our lifetimes...do you still think that after seeing this article?!

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have both a contact machine and plasma.

I use both, but use the plasma machine more often, as it can be used hands free.

The contact method is run directly through the feet, but it does not seem to be any more effective than using the plasma machine near the feet.

I really cannot tell if one works better than the other. They seem to be about the same.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think regardless of the outcome, it will be buried, just as it was last time. No one but the patient can benefit, and no one really gives a hoot about the patient, at least not in official channels.

DCA is an equally promising treatment method, but do to the lack of money, it is slowly slipping into obscurity.

Low Dose Naltrexone same situation.

There are dozens of these examples.

Dan
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Dense moment here..

where is page three.. how do you get to it??

Thanks.. about to buy a rife and all the info I can give my dh will be helpful.

Download.. got it:

http://jdc.jefferson.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1079&context=jss
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Dan,
Sorry - what is DCA?
Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan..
What I was asking is if you have tried contact method that is the add on features. Not necessarily the Feet plates.

You can use various combos on my machine. Including the Using Sticky Pads and Wet pads where you put them on each side of a joint or on your stomach and back so that the frequencies move more direct through the organs or liver etc...

My machine can run the Ray tubs with any of the other features including LEDS and Sticky pads and Wet pad and Foot Plats and Hand cylinders..

I am going to try some of those combinations at some point...

Output Type:
Select from 7 possible combinations
* Electrodes only
* Ray Tubes only
* LED Wand only
* Auxiliary only
* Electrodes & Ray Tubes simultaneously
* Electrodes & LED Wand simultaneously
* Electrodes & Auxiliary simultaneously

I have read and was told that will direct the frequencies in a more direct way to that location you want to work on....

So well> I think it makes sense that it would be more effective maybe? I am trying to research the various methods.....
I also can buy an additional tabletop plasma for hands free method and may one day get that if I feel this will be a large part of my ongoing maintenance.

Some information about my machine.. (not trying to promote)!

Can read more here
http://healingtools.tripod.com/BCX_ULTRA.html

Our Ray Tubes use only the most durable Quartz Glass, which are evacuated of Air, Fire-Quenched, and filled with a proprietary mixture of 5 different Inert Gases known as Noble Gases (Argon, Neon, Krypton, Xenon, Helium). The difference in effectiveness between Stainless-Steel Hand and Foot Electrodes is PROFOUND due to the DEEPLY penetrating nature of the R.F. (radio frequency) Energies. We include 4 kinds of Applicators/Electrodes (foot plates, hand-held rods, glass tubes and Red LED Wand) in order to offer our customers the GREATEST levels of choice.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
PS.. Here are 4 lyme frequency programs that were posted as the top successful for lyme.

Just as a suggestion. I have no experience with them...

Lyme Frequencies (these have been helpful to other researchers)

290,306,345,432

Master frequency,484,610,742, 790
810,864,930,1064,1440,2112,4200

Doug's Frequencies for Lyme 20,432,727,787,800,880,4200,4320,10K,305,306,600,611,612,625,920

John Garvey's Frequencies for Lyme
797,605,673,1455
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have not run any of the machines in contact and radiant mode at the same time. I probably could rig it up that way, with a little thought.

I have not localized one area with a positive and a negative contact opposite of an isolated spot either. Since it is in all of the body, I don't think I would gain much that way.

I have no other accessories, but I may buy a whole new system since several people in my family would like to use the ones I have now. I also would like a more flexible and powerful system.

We will see how the money looks after the holidays.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
DCA information:

http://www.dca.med.ualberta.ca/Home/index.cfm

http://www.thedcasite.com/


Dan
 
Posted by f13girl (Member # 23844) on :
 
Has anyone had success with neuro lyme symptoms and rife? i.e muscle jerking, optic neuritis/optic, brain fog, coordination,numbness, twitching, insomnia etc
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I found a good deal on a used Perl. Anyone have thoughts, experiences to share?

I am confused regarding the Perl protocol. 5 days on and two days off, up to almost 2 hours.. how can a machine that strong be used like that?
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
The DNA frequencies.. how high do they go? Thank you..
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can convert the DNA freqencies to any range you want, but personally, I would not go higher than the MHz range. They seem to work well in that range, and going higher is entering unknown territory for treatment.

The PERL is a great machine, but I am not familier with the protocol that you are referring to. Is it for Lyme specifically?

I treat my wife everyday for several days in a row. While the average Lyme person cannot do that without big problems, it can be done over time, once Lyme is minimal.

You would have to work up to it. I would not try it right off the bat.

When buying a used machine, make sure you can test it using an ocilloscope. Or run it at a super low frequency like two Hertz, and you should be able to see the tube pulse.

Dan
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
I am experiencing my first rife herx
I did:
612- one min
570- one min
864- one min

Once I settle down should I repeat the exact treatment? Or decrease or increase?

Happy New Year Everyone!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Laura.. you now have a gauge of your response. You will have to decide taking into account how long your herx lasts and how severe it was.

If it is bearable and doable I would continue doing it the same way and same time frames until you feel it less

After that you have room to add more time or numbers or programs etc

Sadly there is no real instructions and you have to feel it out and figure out what works for you..

What made you choose those three numbers?

I am reading more of the Nyhah Sylver book and it am learning more as I go.

Adding in some detox would and should help your herxes and your body keep on flowing well..
 
Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :
 
Do the DNA frequencies refer to human DNA or spirochete DNA? What do these frequencies do to the DNA - help or destroy?

Sheryl
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Thanks Spring
I chose 612 and 570 from this thread and 864 was chosen by doubling 432. Not sure exactly which frequency was effective but the herx started with babs symptoms...
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Lyme DNA. It is thought that the frequencies disrupt the DNA of the pathogen you are tareting. These are rather new, and it is not clear how they actually affect the DNA of the pathogen.

From what I can tell, they do kill Lyme cysts, or damage them enough so that they will die over time. I did not have a problem with ridding it from soft tissues, but the joints are harder. I have not yet eliminated it from the joints completely.

That is all based on reactions, or lack of them, to the treatments themselves, and the symptoms, or lack of them, after treatment.

Dan
 
Posted by NellieK (Member # 23554) on :
 
Wanted to post on here as well as a separate thread so it will be seen:

Can anyone recommend a particular Rife machine? I'd really like to try it. Here's software that claims to turn your computer (along with an amp) into a Rife machine:

http://www.noriftrife.com/default.asp?PARTNER=yahoo

Is this legit? Or would you recommend getting a separate machine?
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Lauralyme -- I would suggest keeping a rifing journal/log where you write down the date, which frequencies u use, the length of time on each frequency and your herx reaction. That way you can look at patterns and keep track of the different frequenices.

After a while your three freuencies that you mentioned above might not cause a reaction, but you might was to revisit the frequencies again as time goes on.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I would stick with the proven machines, unless you have the ability to measure output, such as using an oscilloscope.

It may be legit, but I do not know anyone that has actually tested it. There are scammers in this field, but sometimes it is not easy to spot them.

My journals of treatment have been very useful. I refer to them once in a while, as my memory is not great.

I have one on the Rife Forum, I am always adding to.

Dan
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Someone told me that when they 1st tried a Rife machine that it was with a group of friends. They each took a turn on the machine. The next day they all herxed terribly, she felt that everyone was effected by each turn.

I, also, read of a woman who says that her daughter was in another room and was effected.

The Jefferson article was very exciting! Thanks for the link.

I kind of feel bad, but I asked my sis for my Rife machine back. Right now, I am more interested in detoxing with it, but of course will treat the Lyme, also.

liz
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I'm likely going to start Rife therapy very shortly. I've held off for many years but I've thoroughly demonstrated that 7 years of antibiotics and an enormous array of other therapies have failed in my specific case.

I've run testing and come back positive (after 7 years.......of consistent treatment).

It should be extremely useful to monitor my results via blood work and excruciating documentation. I should be able to document it using video as well. I'm thinking of creating graphs. I could use them documenting symptoms and blood work numbers. It will be fantastic to see visual graphing.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
That would be an excellent way to track progress, or lack of it. It may help reveal some aspects of the treatment we are not currently aware of.

Good luck

Dan
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Metallic,

I am so excited that you are going to start rife therapy! Seems like it is certainly worth it at this point. I will be interested to hear your progress. What did your LLMD say about your plan?

I am still waiting to get a machine but plan to start it soon as well.

tickbattler
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I want to express my appreciation for this thread. Rife is my current treatment and it was not addressed on lymenet in a significant way for a time.

I overdid it over the holiday- ate sugar, drank alcohol and worked hard at packing for a move. Then I had major fatigue and sound sensitivity. It made me wonder, what is the mechanism for sound sensitivity? Is it inflamation?

In any case, I rifed yesterday and tried to eat and drink anti-inflamatory foods. I feel a bit better today.

During my rife session, I had pain in my finger joints on the erlichia frequencies. Does erlichia hid in the joints like lyme?
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I believe most of the symptoms are a result of the immune system responding to the infection. This includes visual, auditory, tactile and a variety of other symptoms.
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
catskill, interesting question on finger joints. I've had the finger pain since early on. I will run erlichia freqs and see what happens.

I've never focused on erlichia with rife.

Pam
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Glad for this thread that has stayed nice and calm...

I was wondering if anyone has tried to add in toxoplasmosis or malaria freqencies.

What was your experience.?

BLUE>. How do you plan to start? Meaning.. do you have some sort of plan yet?

LEt us know
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Spring, I don't have a concrete plan yet. I'm formulating one. I have a vague idea though.

I posted this in another thread about Rife. I want to post it so people understand the angle I'm coming from. I want people to know the mental processes of what has brought me to Rife.

The only reason I'm attempting Rife is after having evaluated a friend of mine after his 2 years of therapy. In 2006 he bought a used EMEM23D for about 500 dollars, just like mine. He began keeping a diary. The diary was primitive and simply included the frequencies he used during each session, how long the sessions were and the time frame between treatments, his symptoms, and a percentage of what he felt his function was i.e. 50%, 60% etc. I told him I would purchase a machine of my own from someone he didn't know if the results he had in 2 years were significant. I made it clear I would do this even though the report would be subjective.

He had been on antibiotics of various combinations for 3 years (From the start of 2002 thru the end of 2004). Unfortunately he got stuck at about 40-50% (He waxed and waned there, just like I wax and wane between 35-45%). He stopped treatment for a year in order to prepare for treatment. He fell extremely ill inbetween since he wasn't on any medications or any other supplements except for eating a "regular" diet, and taking plant sterols (Cholestapure) which is what his LLMD recommended he use while on Rife. He did gradually start exercising after a year of therapy, such as walking.

I told him I didn't believe Rife was an appropriate therapy for me to even consider at that present time and he didn't try to persuade me before or during his own process.

Once he was ready, he did his thing. When he completed the 2 year protocol he told me he was very confident in recommending the treatment to me given our cases were similar. He recommended it only after I requested his opinion. I told him "You have no proof it works though. Just because you're feeling better doesn't mean anything" His retort was, I'm 95% functional Mike, I feel great. I have a job, and I'm in a long term relationship." That's all he had to say. This kid was down to earth and I knew him well enough to trust his judgment since he and I worked together on the Myspace Lyme group that he founded. He had built boats with his father and was an avid civil war and Revolutionary Gun builder/collector before he fell ill. He kept carving the guns during his healing process he told me.

This kid and I talked constantly prior to his starting treatment -- 2 years actually. Once he began treatment however I tried intentionally to not talk to him very much so as not to be affected. In-fact, the 2 years passed by extremely quickly as a result. We spoke perhaps 3-5 times in the two year period.

So that was how I came to consider Rife a viable option. I bought my machine used from a young guy who felt he'd bought the machine prematurely, given he hadn't used antibiotics or herbal therapies. He felt his load was excessively high and thus even minor treatments with the Rife caused debilitating herxheimer reactions. Whether he was actually experiencing herxheimer reactions is unknown to me, but I trusted his judgment and he didn't try to sell me on it. He simply answered my questions. I asked for pictures and that was the end of it.

As anyone who knows me can imagine, I was extremely skeptical, but over time (In 2008), I began researching the results of other patients who performed a similar treatment pattern with the same machine that my friend had used. The reports were overwhelming, especially when I began talking to other people who I trusted too. I didn't follow their cases for "years" but I knew that for me personally, I could tolerate and trust their judgment as honest and worthy of consideration. The "average" consensus of the patients I spoke with was simple. They all made it very clear that it probably would not cure me.

When I spoke to people, I focused exclusively on those who "didn't" use supplements and who went off antibiotics before starting therapy and who remained disabled before therapy began (I defined disabled as unable to work).

I did a variety of research on Rife and felt the evidence was thin, but frequencies were being used in a variety of settings that demonstrated that it was possible that the claims people made might be reproduced. I felt the controversy was absurd surrounding Rife, but all I had to do was compare it to the current controversy of Lyme and long term antibiotics (which also had no objective proof via studies). It was obvious to me that while there was no proof and that hundreds of thousands of physicians around the world denied Lyme was Chronic, that it obviously was, since I kept coming up positive inspite of long term antibiotics. I felt better using antibiotics but better didn't mean "well." It meant I was no longer dying from the disease and was stabilized at 35% on most days.

So, will it work? I really have no idea but I've spent thousands of dollars in my own money as well as a million plus dollars over 20-25 years of my insurance companies' money) and wasn't healthy. Earlier in the thread I spoke about what I knew. I don't know if regular Rife machines sold perform as I described earlier but I do know that frequencies do cause damage to various cells and organisms if enough energy is supplied.

600 dollars (For the EMEM23D) and a commitment of 2 years of therapy seems harmless to me to at least try since nothing else has worked. I see Dr. H in New York. His PA is the one I really like working with and so I asked her (as well as his) opinion on the therapy. They said the results were mixed and the felt antibiotic therapy should be the first line. If treatment failed they said a lot of patients turned to Rife. Most flared up directly from using the treatment and decided not to continue, but some got much much better." I decided to also investigate further by having patients intentionally ask their LLMD's directly (As a favor), if they felt Rife treatment was effective in cases where antibiotic failure was present. Since I maintain one of the major LLMD lists and collect patient reports after they've seen the doctor, it was easy and very logical to use them to accumulate knowledge for my personal use on their dime. The majority of LLMDs said they "DID" feel it helped people but they didn't know why -- they each also made it clear they couldn't recommend it for legal reasons but they could give the patient their opinion and information if specifically asked about their observations. Some very well known doctors in the Lyme community did recommend it, but they are so cutting edge that I felt uncomfortable personally putting much weight on it.

After all of this, here I am. Does it work exactly as reported and claimed? I have no idea. Are there side effects that might hurt me? I have no idea. I've been on so many toxic drugs and tried so many alternative treatments it seems self evident to take the risk.

The reason I'm telling everyone this is so they understand what has motivated me to consider this avenue.

One last note. My friend who got well has not returned to the Lyme group (even to moderate) since reporting his recovery to me. He told me privately when asked that "I see no reason to take part in the group now, it self functions fine by itself and I'm well now. I don't know if I'm cured and I don't care. I'll continue to maintain my health by doing Rife monthly or every couple months. If I get sick again then you'll know because I'll be back immediately to try something else."

It's coming up on two years now and I haven't heard from him since, though I do see he signs onto his own myspace page occasionally. I'm very happy to have not heard from him.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am glads you are detail oriented, as this should help out quite a bit concerning frreqeuncy treatments.

Since you have not had a great deal of luck with any other treatment method, now you have the opportunity to narrow down why.

Your documentation will help immensly, and I cannot stress enough how important it is to document everything. Patterns emerge over time that really help pin point problems, and what is most effective.

I hope this works out well for you. You really have had a tough time, and do deserve some relief.

Dan
 
Posted by Stacyb (Member # 13084) on :
 
Mike,

Did you stop the new protocol that you
were suppose to go on last time you saw L.
in NY? Just wondering as I know you had just
started it and now saw that you are going to
try Rife. I assume that you will d/c abx then too?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
A couple of us are trying to target the mystery protozoan and

Karenl stated in another thread "started rifing the 787 for malaria and it did something all over my body"

I added progrsms to my generator and they are

Malaria - 4, 20, 28, 222, 550, 713, 880, 930, 1032, 1433, 1444, 1445, 455, 743

Malaria - 555,728,787,880

Toxo - 434, 852, 19665.89, 979.11

I always still add in the Detox and Kidney Liver Lymph programs too

I am seemingly able to handle a lot of rife without huge herxing.. I have gotten my loads down a lot via IV abx...

Therefore i can play around with full programs but my goal is to narrow down to certain numbers that work best for me.

Otherwise I am doing long periods of time on the rife...

I started with just the detox and organs supports for the first few weeks. This really helped me alot.

I now do those plus rotate with a Viral program and Parasite program and Lyme program. Now added in Malaria and Toxoplasmosis.

If I skip the viral program I seem to respond more strongly after that next week so I am going to stop skipping weeks and keep that one in there more continually.

I have been able to do 3 minutes on each frequency for every program. I sometimes feel better the day after and then herx the 2nd and 3rd day. Kinda weird ....

But the herxes do not seem to last more then 3 days now for me. They used to last 5 or 6 and I only could rife once a week. I am up to two times week now..

I am hopeful this will erradicate whatever is left or hiding or was not able to be hit by the IV abx treatments.

We will see... I see it also as some insurance on not allowing what I have done to return as well. That is my hope..
I am very fearful of relapse situations. Even though i am not in full recovery I also have been much worse and bedridden and ill than i am now..

So we will see.

I am keeping a log as well... and keeping track of time frames and numbers too...

I hope it all is fruitful....

Dan.> how long did it take for you to get to daily???
I am curious??
And how long are your sessions daily? when you started daily and how long did you work up to?

Thanks much
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Thank you. Stacy, I am still on their protocol. We have a limited number of options left. I began LDN yesterday for the second time. I had side effects the last time so I started again at .5mg and hope to get up to 1 soon. My protocol presently does not appear to be working.

However, it did result in massive herxheimer reactions when I initially began. I also feel better when I stop treatment (but not beyond 40%), so it's possible the medications are at least doing something. They wanted me to start Lariam too but I'm not comfortable using that drug at this time. I'm going to probably finish up whatever protocols they ask me to perform (except further IV) and heavily consider the Rife as the next stop. Things are subject to change, but this is where I'm aiming for now.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
We waited over three years to try the daily treatments, but we could have done it after about two years, or maybe even sooner.

Until recently we did not have any way to hit cyst form, it really did not make much sense to treat daily with just 612Hz. So we never tried to get to a daily treatment until recently.

We can run any frequency as long as we want. I have run 612 hz up to 2 hours, but it did not really have any more effect than running it for 20 minutes.

The first ten DNA frequencies are usually five minutes each, but I run them ten minutes if time permits. I do not use the secondary ones, although I may try them in the future.

To the best of my ability to diagnose, we were only treating Babesia and Lyme. I have no indication there is any Babs at this time, but it has bounced back in the past out of nowhere.

Lyme cysts are mostly in the ankles and spine at this time, judging from reactions, or lack of them. Reactions are getting more unreliable as we progress.

Dan
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Can you tell me whether or not you can use a Rife machine around computers, Plasma/LCD TV's or other electrical equipment.
 
Posted by lymie_in_md (Member # 14197) on :
 
LCD light even from a television might be therapeutic. I doubt the EMF emanating from the electronics would be helpfull, could be quite harmfull.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
What I want to know is whether Rife will damage electrical components in my home.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If I get my machine right next to my laptop, it will cause interference. None of them have damaged anything.

I have not heard of anyone having damaged any electrical componants using one. It is too weak to really cause much trouble, other than maybe some radio interference at the designated frequency.

Dan
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Metallic, I strongly agree with Dan that you are a perfect candidate for Rife because you are so meticulous and thorough in your note keeping.

This is VERY important when using Rife therapy, and cannot be stressed enough. You already know my experience with Rife as we've talked in the past, so you can add me to your list of people that have been successful using Rife as a main treatment.

I've never experienced any problems with electrical components in my home when treating, so this shouldn't be a problem.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Why does there seem to be reluctancy to share frequencies or programs used for Lyme that were successful for those who have treated successfully?

I have asked a few times and Dan has given a couple numbers and one other person who has just been starting out has too.. and thats about it.

Is there some reason for this?
I think it would be helpful information to see. Not to duplicate but as a cross reference and for ideas as well.

Any reasons for this??
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
I have wondered this too Springshowers. I think for some reason the originator of the frequencies wants money for finding them and people who get them may agree in some fashion to not release them??
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
No, there is no hidden agenda for the frequencies. You can go to electroherbalism.com to get the ones that have generally been used successfully for free. If you ask people to list all the frequencies they've used through their entire treatment they would probably be willing to share.

Dan, what about the DNA frequencies? Can those be provided publicly or privately by you for free?
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Dan can explain it better than I, but the DNA frequencies have taken a lot of time and effort to discover and it is my understanding that the person who discovered them (Charlene Boehm) charges a small fee to compensate her for her time and to fund future research in this area. I went on her website and tried to read one of her papers explaining the frequencies...very complicated stuff.

I don't have her website handy but it has been posed on this site before.

I plan to order her frequencies. In order to get them you have to sign a confidentiality agreement.

All of the other frequencies are public info from what I understand.

tickbattler
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I only use two CAFL frequencies which work well for Spirochete form.

612 Hz and 432 hz.

There is probably other frequencies that work for Spirochete form, but these are better proven than the others. I only post frequencies that I am sure work, not because I am holding out on anyone. The rest of the Lyme frequencies are pretty much listed on the CAFL list.

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm

I have not found any of the CAFL frequencies that affect Cyst form, and this is why I am using Char Boehm's DNA frequencies. She charges a small fee for exactly the reason given by tick battler. they would not even exist if it was not for her research in this area.

She also will send you a frequency conversion program for free upon request.

I have agreed not to disclose her frequencies by agreement, and I am a man of my word. She does not charge much anyway, and will update them for free if any changes occur.

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/

You can do very well without the DNA frequencies, using just 612 hz and 432 hz for Lyme. I would just start out using these.

It will be all most people can handle to begin with.

Dan
 
Posted by Stacyb (Member # 13084) on :
 
Mike,

Thanks for the explanation on your decisions
on treatment protocol. I am interested in Rife
too and other alternative tx as well. I was just
in NY and I got a real aggressive tx plan to start
with the Tindy added in. I have not done any
cyst tx except Plaq all along.

Do not want to steal the post but wanted to
let you know the Factive is working great!
Fingers crossed this new 5 abx protocol does
not knocked me down to hard!

Good luck with the rife if that is the way you
will go. I know you will report all the details
honestly so that is a plus for those of us
wanted first hand accounts.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Congratulations on finding a treatment that works for you. I always like to hear good news.
Stick with it, as long as it is working.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I understand that you can get the list for free. I just noticed not many who seem to use rife talk about what works best.

By the way here is a list of lists... including history anectodes from previous years and peoples accounts. Very interesting stuff. The CALF Mystery PDF is amazing. Does anyone know of somewhere they did something like this for Lyme?

http://home.earthlink.net/~vibrnthealth/Misc/FrequencyLists.htm
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Its interesting about 612

Everywhere I look I do not see Lyme Referenced.
Another reason its great to share..

612 - ALS_2, Coxsackie_B3, Coxsackie_General, Echo_Virus, Enterovirus_General, Influencinum_vesica_general, Leptospirosis, Leukose, Mucor_mucedo, Transformation_series

Am I missing it somewhere Dan?

432 makes more sense to me though

432 - Babesia, Bacillinum, Bacillus_subtilis, Backache_2, Cholecystitis_chronic, Complete_early_crane, Conjunctivitis, Coughing, Coughing_from_flu_vaccine_1, Diphtheria, Euglena, Immune_system_stimulation, Influenza_virus_swine, Kieferosteitis, Lyme_disease, Lyme_2, Lyme_tertiary, Lyme_TR_B, Morgellons_disease_TR, Pullularia_pullulans, Rhodococcus, Sinusitis_3, Sore_throat_comp, Yellow_fever

Just curious.

I understand about the DNA deal and that you have to pay for those and not share....

It would be cool to see what someone has done even for the first year as an example. For new people it can be frustrating not to see much in that way.. Just numbers and are presented and it is said to work up in time..

I just think it would be cool and educational to see a sampling from others who have lyme and have done or are doing rife.

Such as..
Month one....
Did A B C for Blank minutes ... Blank times a week.
And so on and so forth..

Again not to follow. Just to see sampling and get ideas of how others started out and see a progression of sorts changing in time and numbers and or if there were detoxing or organ supports used as well etc.

I know everyone is different. But from my point of view when I even first started this and approached it.. its amazing how objective it is.

And since we all are in the lyme community together we can only learn from eachother...

Or are there such samplings somewhere. I did not see any on the ancedotes pages.. yet..

Thats and interesting compiling..I am still reading through....
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Here are a couple peoples accounts from the list

"For lymes disease I use: 432, 484, 610, 690, 790, 800, 864, and 4200 hertz. My first herx was so severe it lasted over 3 weeks. I quickly learned to watch treatment times"

"Some have divided 380,000 by 440 for a frequency of 864. Here are some effective Lyme frequencies:
312, 345, 432, 484-504, 592-634, 690, 785-795, 800, 864, 1590-1640 "Doug's" program
is 432 or 864, 592-634 (3-4 minute sweep) and 1590-1640 (3-4 minute sweep). The two sweeps are very effective and seem to have less die-off symptoms than 432."


This one is interesting since my back just went out.
"For about 15 years Ive had lower back trouble. It will all of a sudden start to ache and then WHAM! it goes into spasm, hurts like hell and I have to hobble around on a cane like a cripple. Often times I can bring it on by lifting or doing any strenuous work without a gack brace on. It usually takes about a week and a half to clear up.

The other night at the office xmas party it started to ache after dancing. The next morning I was well on the way to having a full blown back episode....

My question is, why do you suppose my back would feel 90% better after using the EMEM2 for an hour each on 432 (Lyme) and 465 (yeast)? Ive been able to do this twice now..."
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
A couple others

"There was a fellow who came to our Canadian group from Vancouver, who had actually obtained the Lyme bugs from CDC in Atlanta. He also has a live cell microscope and could see what each frequency was doing to the bugs, which gives an additional level of confidence to this one.. He found that 306 was the frequency that destroyed the Lyme ane he used this on his wife and a another person, and cured them both, so I would add that to the list.

=================

In response to silver bullet for Lyme recommendation, my Developer source (who has no computer) says: "There is no one silver bullet on frequencies. One woman used 432 Hz on her son and miracles happened. It did not work for her, but 625 Hz did. Both were infected on same camping trip." "Doug" originally gave list as: 864 or 432; 690; 610 and 610-630 scan; 484 and 484 to 503 scan; and said, "Always run the 610 Hz after the 864 Hz--it lessens the severity of Herxheimer reaction," and later added 480-540 scan, and 765-810 scan."
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
and..

"A male subject, aged 52, suffering from medically diagnosed Lyme disease for 15 years (pains, stiffness, chills, etc.) was given a 20 minute exposure, holding the glass plasma tubes, one in each hand {a contact device, not a BRG}, to 2,016 Hz and 625 Hz. Two weeks later he phoned to person who had given the treatment to report the absence of all symptoms. It is now almost 6 months later and all symptoms are still absent, after just one treatment. Though anecdotal, it is still food for thought. I had suggested 625 Hz as this was Rife's frequency for syphilus, another spirochete, and I reasoned that it might also be applicable to the Lyme spirochete. What are the medical complementarys ? And what is their success rate ? This patient had previously tried intravenous antibiotics and many other conventional medically suggested methods with no success."
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I've used my GB 4000 six times. This rife experience is fabulous; i feel it's curing me fast; i didn't have bad herxes at first and now almost none at all. I think i can go to every day pretty soon, so far just one minute each on 612 and 432, for lyme. The other frx i'm doing are for candida, and they also seem to be working fast.

This is far, far pleasanter ,faster, and more successful than i ever imagined. Of course, after 5 1/2 years on antibiotics, there may not
be many bugs left to kill!

I've found plenty of frx in lists, so i haven't needed to experiment. There's a frequency list that comes separately along with the other part of the GB 4000 --- i'm glad i bought the extras; i didn't know the frequency list comes too.

I feel so good. I can't put in words how pleasant i feel, how wonderful my forehead feels to be clear, without the fog; the last time i had a clear forehead, until now, was a day or two in March, 2005.

I can't explain my happiness at feeling so well from the rife. I never read anyone else like this,-- just a minute or two of frequencies, and it makes me well, i'm almost cured.

Has anyone ever cured toenail fungus with rife?

I tried Hulda Clark's frequencies for onychomycosis today, but my toes are the same; but i didn't even use the two highest frx, since i haven't hooked up my amplifier yet.

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
612 Hz is the same as 306 Hz but one higher octave.
They are essentially the same frequency, but 612 Hz seems to work better for us. That may be why you have not seen it as it is listed as 306 Hz.

306 and 432 are both "Doug" frequencies. He witnessed the Spirochetes dying under the microscope using these. That is why I decided to focus on these two, and my experience supports his conclusions as well.

That is a very interesting anecdote Spring Showers. I have not seen that before. Thank you for posting it. I am always amazed at the things I learn here, unexpectedly.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Not one to let grass grow under my feet, I put the above Syphilis anecdote to the test.

I had thought of trying this same thing a couple of years ago, but never did. I do trust Rife's frequencies more than any others, since he was far too careful to make mistakes.

I ran the 2016 Hz frequency and got my wife to holler at the pain shooting through her ankle. I just ran the 612 Hz harmonic and the DNA frequencies yesterday, there should have been little in the way of Spirochetes.

I am also running 625 and I am not sure if she is having effects from the previous frequency or if it is from this one, but she is not very comfortable.

I will reverse the order tomorrow, and see what the reaction is.

My initial impression is that 2016 works, and not just Spirochete form. I will have to do this a few more times to confirm, but others should try this and see what happens.

My advantage is she does not know what I am running ahead of time. She was not happy that it was a Syphilis frequency. I had to do some quick explaining.

I know a guy from England who is going to want to hear about these frequencies. He will give them a real test.

Dan
 
Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :
 
Any opinions on the ReslWave 77 and lyme treatment?
http://www.resiwave.com/en_ResIWave77.html
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Wow. Thats cool Dan.. It was on my list to try as I read through those.

I was wondering why the lists stopped being posted in 2004. I wonder who was keeping track of those and keeping that log going>?>?

Any ideas?

I find those very valuable indeed.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am guessing Turf was keeping the list. Can't remember his whole name at this time.

I wrote the post above as I was running the frequencies. I ran 2016 two more times and the reaction was less but still made her uncomfortable.

She had the "spine breaking" sensation that she had with MMS. I am not sure what to make of this, but she is too sore to try again tonight. I do not usually have to skip a day because of a reaction, but this hit pretty hard.

Her spine and ankles are pretty sore, these are the areas I had already determined were still harboring more Lyme than anywhere else..

I am not going to jump to any conclusions, but this frequency needs more research for sure.

I would advise anyone who has a good load of Lyme go real short with this frequency. Until we know exactly how much it is capable of.

Dan
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I am going to try 2016 this weekend for an ultra-short duration and I will report back. I often feel like lyme hides in my wrists.

Spring, I did share my frequency list in October as did a few other posters, here's the thread:
http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/86510?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks Cats..

I feel this stuff hides in my elbows wrists and back..... time to come out from hiding.'

My docs always say.. its one thing to clear this stuff from the blood and a whole other story clearing it from tissue and organs and ligaments etc..
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I ran 612 Hz last night first, to see if any Spirochete form was present. There was some, as she could feel it in various places. I would not have expected any.

I then ran 625 Hz because I did not get a good test of that the other day. I ran it for a half hour and got zero reactions. Absolutely nothing.

Then i ran 2016 Hz and had no reaction for eight to ten minutes and then, it started to hurt in her lower spine, hip and ankles.

Paul, the guy from England has had a delayed reaction also with 2016 Hz, but he has several infections going at once, so it is harder to tell with him.

I ran the 2016 Hz frequency for forty-five minutes which made her uncomfortable, but less so than the previous treatment. She fell asleep at the end, so she could not have been in much discomfort, toward the end.

Still not sure why this frequency is hitting something being missed by 612 Hz. I assume it is a different form of Lyme, hopefully cyst form, but I am not totally sold on that yet.

I am going to keep using it, because it is doing something the other frequencies are not. Since it is affecting the Lyme areas, it almost certainly is Lyme related.

I am tentatively putting 2016 Hz up there with 612 Hz and 432 Hz as my three main Lyme frequencies. I am going to temporarily stop using the DNA frequencies, to try see what this 2016 is actually affecting.

Maybe i can get an effective Lyme treatment with just these three frequencies. That is what i would like to find out.

I should add that i am using the EMX plasma device and I am sitting about four feet away, my wife is right next to it. I feel nothing from the frequencies.

Confusing disease.

Dan
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
A few years ago when I was seeing a muscle testing retired chiro...my body wanted/needed the Malaria protocols several times.

In no way did that mean I had the malaria bacteria, whatever freqs that were in the pre-programmed Malaria program was needed.

They helped tremendously. I wonder if I should go back and do more Malaria sessions. I also did many other programs based on the muscle testing.

Ex:
staph
strep
Yellow fever
meningococcinum
leukoencephalitis
e-coli
tetnas
salmonella

Staph has been a blessing to me over and over again. I can tell when I need to focus rife on staph. In fact I need it today.

Again this muscle testing & rife protocols were over a two year period and my body needed those programs because the freqs in them were beneficial to me.


Some sx disappeared into all this tx. Brain fog, fatigue improved, vision improved, and others I can't recall now.

I will say I gave up on the muscle tester because I felt like I had become his car payment and it was time for me to move on. He seemed to only be able to get me to a certain point.

For 10 yrs medical treatments/protocols have come to me in very spiritual ways. Each have been a blessing.

Right now I'm struggling and have been for about 6 mths. I need something or someone to help me, but I haven't found it yet?????????

I have developed a new rife protocol based on some threads in the last couple weeks. Thanks to those of you who have shared your experience with some info here.

You might be one of my angels.

Pam
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan I also tried 2016 and felt it in areas and in ways other frequencies have not shown to. I agree that it is an interesting number and I have added it to my list as well.

I ended up looking into the list I was given with my machine for syhphillis and ran that program last night.
Wow. it was powerful. I am herxing badly today. Quit intense.

If your curious about those numbers.. they are

900 660 650 625 600 626 20 658

Notice all the 600's!

My machine shows me when each number in a program is running so I can make notes to how I am reacting and my plan is to take off the numbers I do not want to keep and keep those I feel I am getting a larger reaction to. I too can feel them like you said your wife does and I am making the assuption those are the ones doing the affecting. I hope that is an appropriate assumption because when i read about this they say that you should not assume that necessarily?

Not sure about that. But the feelings coincide with a herx as well.

Let me know what you think of those numbers.

The Malaria and Toxo numbers I ran were no where near as intense as these Syphillis numbers..

Interesting stuff.

The Lyme protocols and numbers I have tried also have not been as intense either yet.

I am starting to use just the Ray Tubes I have and no electrodes. It helps me fine tune and feel more readily what is going on. The electrodes feel more like just zapping and the ray tubes feel like they are pulsing through my body and are more deep.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks for all of the info.

I spoke to my doctor the other day & he insisted that babesia may be a problem for me. He was never too concerned about co-infections but now he seems to think babesia may be a problem for me.

I don't have the typical co-infection symptoms but he said you can still have babesia even if you don't show symptoms or have a negative test result.

Anyway, he wants me to do the abx for it & I don't really like the idea of it. I'm considering Rife more seriously in light of this. How have you guys done with treating the co-infections & specifically babesia with the Rife type machines?

I've read that babesia is hard to eradicate with the Rife machine. Would anyone suggest to skip the abx & go directly for the Rife?

On another tangent - has anyone tried pulsed electro-magnetic frequency devices? SOTA has an inexpensive one. I've read alot of interesting stuff about PEMF.

Dan (or anyone) - does the GB-4000 have any glass tubes or does it only generate frequencies some how? Is it important to get a device with tubes? Does it make a difference?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I do not have a lot of experience with babs, but my wife did have symptoms of it, and it was easiluy knocked down running CAFL frequencies.

I can't say for sure she had it, but I think she did. It also came back twice months later. I have not seen symptoms of it lately, but you know how that goes.

I cannot make a resommendation since I do not know the effectiveness of ABX or the effectiveness of frequencies for certain.

If ABX works well for it, then I would use it. If you already have a machine available then try the frequencies. If they work, it should work fast. They did for us, but we just treated until symptoms were gone. It may take a longer time to be rid of it for good.

The GB-4000 has regular stainless contacts, no plasma tubes. Plasma tubes naturally produce harmonics of the frequencies you are running. there are long debates on what effect these harmonics have, but either method works well enough.

Dan
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks. I just came across this about babesia & fibromyalgia type pain...

http://lymemd.blogspot.com/2009/03/fibromyalgia-remission-with-malarone.html

excerpt-

This is conjecture: She never had Babesia. The motile parasites seen in blood wet mounts may have been responsible for her muscle disorder. We known that these parasites do not live in blood or blood cells- they are extracellular.

This means they primarily reside in other tissues. Their numbers must be so numerous that they egress into the blood. A likely place for parasites to live is muscle tissue. One must wonder: could fibromyalgia be caused by muscle parasites, at least in some patients?

---

It seems that this doctor has found some "other" parasite that can be associated with babs & fibro.

It would seem that this could be treated with the Rife. From the article, she treated it with a 3-5 months with Malarone with good results. Rife seems like it would be a good continuing treatment to keep the bugs away.

More about babesia-

http://lymemd.blogspot.com/2009/07/babesia-questions.html

excerpt-

Another helpful test is the evaluation of a wet mount slide. Many patients show a crescent shaped organism which resembles Toxoplasmosis. I do not believe this organism is Toxo: many patients with the organism have negative serology (antibodies) directed against Toxo. I will explain why I mention this finding in connection with Babesiosis in a moment.

-

Malarone seems to address this crescent shaped parasite whereas Mepron does not. It is my suspicion that this other, yet unknown parasite, is responsible for much muscle pain, including that associated with fibromyalgia syndromes.

---

Seems it's some other parasite that may be causing some of our fibromyalgia type symptoms. One day it's XMRV, one day it's Lyme, one day it's babesia... all of this is so difficult.

I guess we just have to keep an open mind & keep trying new things.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I responded extremely to Malarone, and I did show the abnormal cell shapes in my blood when I tested via Fry Labs. It did not resolve the muscle pain, but it did resolve the heavy sweating to a significant degree and the breathing trouble.

To treat Babesia, I really think antiparasitics are necessary, not antibiotics alone. Malarone is antiparasitic.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
ORGANIZING RIFE THERAPY: WHAT PRINCIPLES MATTER MOST

Ok so I've begun organizing a plan. I'll need help to refine the "study" so to speak. If you can pick a part of my project and criticize it constructively and offering potential improvements, please consider doing so. I also need specific frequencies directly from the source of individuals who have identified and confirmed the frequencies are effective. A minimum of at least 5-10 individuals confirming each frequency is effective In-vitro, at a very specific frequency, can allow me to narrow down the methodoly. The machine itself doesn't matter as long as they've measured and confirmed the frequency is Plasma driven, and accurate. Let me know who here has this data, or who has contacts to those with the data.

Why Rife And Not IV

IV would improve my health probably, if we used the right drugs -- but it would be short lived. I am certain I will fall ill again. I did IV previously and the risks don't seem worth the attempt at this time. Sepsis and death -- from my last encounter -- aren't points I'm aiming for.

Why not try other alternative protocols?

I've done around 95% of all the available options that patients typically seek. The few I haven't include some Homeopatic treatments, HBOT, and Salf and Vit C. These aren't on my mind yet. I will research further. Adding immense salt to my diet is not a thrilling concept given I already have problems with other organs. I am not closing my mind to it though.

Rife may or may not hold me back for a little awhile.

The Focus On Rife, A systematic Process

For now I'm focusing on Rife. I feel confident about it, and believe it will work if I do it right.

I expect to be sick for many months however, but I'm going to work out a plan of attack that allows me to scientifically document things, so as to control variables. I want the material to be accessible to others when I've finished.

If it succeeds, even better. If it fails, the notes should help even more so patients can avoid mistakes, or consider alternative routes or ideas I missed while doing my own therapy.

Scientific Experimentation & The Hypothesis: How to Organize The Parameters

Detoxification

I wish to avoid Detox and supplements as much as possible from an herbal or unconventional format. Simple formats will be used, such as exercise and a select 1-2-3 trivial supplements.

Yet I don't want to devastate my ability to recover, so I will have to figure out a system that can allow both the science and full recovery potential at the same time.

There are ways of detoxing using substances which will not influence infection, but are common house hold items, as well as exercise and drinking a measured amount of a specific type of water.

Diet

I will avoid vitamins, and follow eating a normal diet -- not controlled. An uncontrolled basic diet of 3 meals per day (Or 4), with soups with vegetables, regular breads or whole grains, pasta, meats, cheese -- typical foods. I can tolerate most foods. Foods which can't be tolerated will be substituted, and I'd also measure these, to see when these intolerances did or didn't disappear.

Credibility Is Crucial

I want the process to be as close to scientifically valid, so as to exclude things. A diet of that nature would not influence outcome if Rife in-fact works. Vitamins however "would" influence the outcome, as I've responded to them in various ways previously.

Some supplements should not however, such as the Cholestapure, or ALA, NAC, or some very primitive and basic nutritional items. Cheap, easily accessible items, including Baking Soda, may be considered.

None of those would influence an infectious disease process.

The less supplements, the less variables.

The less variables, the more credible the research.

I'll ask the doctor and Sheryl and find out how to establish a controlled experiment

How To Objectively Measure

Blood work of specific kinds would help.

Including updates on Igenex blood work done constantly.

my Igenex test was positive, we already know what is present.

More testing would allow objective indications of how fast it takes for the titers and bands to fade.

Other blood numbers, such as the immune system, thyroid, and other hormones (without supplementation), would indicate progress as well as worsening.

Initialy, if correct, things should worsen. Immune dysregulatory numbers should become abnormal, with non-specific inflammatory indication.

Blood counts can be graphed using a progrogram over months.

Combined with accurate testing, simplified diet, minimal supplements known to have no impact on disease, and simple exercise protocol starting with the bike alone, the duration, an perhaps even the amount of sweat can be measured.

I can do that using a simple tee shirt that I can work out consistently with.

I can pour water on it via measuring, to see how much water it takes to saturated the shirt. I saturate my current shirt to it's maximum when I finish exercising, so I can measure it's weight as well, to compare.

Once I know, I will know the amount the shirt is consistently saturating, and the weight of the shirt on a scale.

These numbers and indications should also see a decline in the amount of sweat on a graph. My numbers have been consistent for years -- constant saturation. This should not take place in a normal human being.

A decrease would suggest infection is decreasing, and bodily regulation is normalizing.

Circumstantial and Subjective Evidence

I will also report subjective numbers, such as percentages of health, and define the percentages clearly so people understand what I can objectively do physically at each level.

I will also list the symptoms on some form of graph to demonstrate the rate at which they increase, decrease, duration, intensity, and time frames over months to years.

Choosing Minimal Frequencies

I will organize the frequencies according to what is considered significant by those who have used actual machine tools to objectively identify the frequencies that effectively killed the bacteria -- and attempt to find others who were able to do the same with various co-infections.

If I understand the invitro results, it may allow -- in comparison -- to make a presumption clinically of which numbers are effective invivo in cases that follow the identical pattern and course of my own illness.

I can then follow-up with all the tests which I tested positive.

Including RMSF, CPN, MP, Mold, Lyme, etc -- as well as attempt to run Bartonella testing again.

I will include the labs and dates of blood draw, and such. -- the numbers can be graphed too.

Conclusion

All of this, when finished, should give an accurate reflection of what patients can expect to really see with a chronic Lyme Disease case, with secondary co-infections. If treating the Lyme alone seems to instigate results of the co-infection numbers, it would support the hypothesis of Lyme being the underlying cause of an immune dysregulatory process, including suppression.

Pre-Activity To Prepare For Rife

Unknown variables such as unknown infections, parasites, or other processes will need to be understood more fully before I begin.

Thus, parasite cleansing is needed, and further antibiotics to lower the load before Rife therapy began. A long rest period between -- and an allowance of symptoms to worsen again (assuming they improve at all) would ensure the infection was not killed.

Since Rife therapy is presumed to be primarily a project for those who have failed Antibiotic therapy, it only makes sense to provide adequate time before finishing antibiotics and supplements, to ensure they don't actually influence or impact the Rife therapy outcome.

This is to avoid the "Well antibiotics and not Rife could be why you got well.

That can easily be ignored by documenting proper symptom patterns and test numbers via CMP and Igenex re-testing of the Western Blots.
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Metallic Blue,

Wow. That is quite a plan and I look forward to your substantial documented recovery! No joke.

I think that blood work is an ok measure, but I think you should give the subjective measures more attention, especially since your posts are well-edited and well thought out. "You don't sound sick" so it might be hard for some patients to connect your experience to thier treatment plan. I found that blood test results didn't measure half the mess I was in, if you know what I mean.

Subjective things I would consider relevant and things that changed radically for me are:

1) nap urgency, number of naps per week and duration (I went from a must-have, fall down in my tracks, 2 hour nap every day to no napping)

2) instances of word-finding problems (I went from several a day to none)

3) ability to tolerate noise on some sort of scale- can you tolerate a three way conversation with the radio on when an ambulance drives by?

4) ability to tolerate trips out of the house- perhaps measured in recovery time. For example, it should not take 2 days to recover from a trip to the local lab for blood work.

I'm sure there are many other subjectives and they should be tailored to your experience.

That being said, best of luck. When does the plan begin? Not sure I have ever been so excited about someone I don't know starting a new lyme protocol, seriously.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think it is admirable that you are doing everything you can to properly document your experience.

I have done it in a similar but cruder manner, but not as detailed as what you are planning. I also would use a combination therapy, if there was one that my wife could tolerate. I am here to cure her first however I have to do it.

I am trying to help others by recording the experience, results and observations. That is my second priority.

I had no doctor or medical tests to work with, as our local doctors would be more of a detriment than a help.

I think you are going to do this properly, but I do not know if I would go as far as deprive yourself of vitamins and supplements just for the sake of eliminating variables.

You still need a good immune response to improve.

The object is to get well, and if possible cure the disease. I do not want you to sacrifice yourself for the sake of credible documentation.

No matter which way your results go, many people have a religious like zeal for one type of medicine or another. You really are not going to influence that group no matter how well you do this.

I understand your objective, as it was mine also, within limits. But you matter the most. Do not deprive yourself of anything you may need to improve, for the sake of scientific method.

Other than that, way to go!

Dan
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Thank you for the additional notes you both offered. I'll have to think carefully and discuss many things further before I can further refine the ideas. The aim at first is always a "plan" -- but planning is priceless, but once at battle, plans are useless, because you often find better ways, or must compromise certain aspects in order to achieve a priority result.

So, absolutely. I come first, and I'll make sure it's something I can live with and recover. As far as the subjective issues, it will be done right.
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Well, Wed I tried 612 & 432- 2 minutes each and followed up with 10,000 for 5 minutes for detoxing.

As usual my herx reaction came on strong 24 hrs later. Yesterday I thought my head was going to explode and that horrible lyme neck pain.

During both 2 min. I felt the usual body sensations that tells me I'm hitting on something.

Looking forward to hitting some of these other

Thanks gang, Pam
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Blue.

After reading all that.. Although admirable.
I so agree with Dan. Put yourself first. I can not imagine the energy and time it takes to do just the planning and tracking of what your talking about.

That energy ... just in my opinion.. (and of course it is up to you to decide) might be needed in other areas of your life and treatment to get you well.

I have been for myself even talking to myself about cutting down my computer time and time on even this forum as I can see it takes energy even when I am laying in bed..

So we all have to make those choices but you have described your level of functionality to all of us and I can not imagine doing what your doing at this level is going to help your own health.. .it might help later prove how it happened but.. is that worth it/?? I would truely think this over..

Written with care..
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by METALLlC BLUE:
[QB] ORGANIZING RIFE THERAPY: WHAT PRINCIPLES MATTER MOST

For now I'm focusing on Rife. I feel confident about it, and believe it will work if I do it right.

Detoxification
I wish to avoid Detox and supplements as much as possible from an herbal or unconventional format. Simple formats will be used, such as exercise and a select 1-2-3 trivial supplements.

Credibility Is Crucial


Wow,

That is pretty substantial and while reading it there were quite a few times I asked - WHY go through all of this however, only you know what feels right to you, I definitely don't want to sound like I am judging you.

But, I will put my two cents in though since you opened it for discussion:

How do you define right in your statement - "I know it will work if I do it right" There is no predetermined right way or wrong way to do this.

As many detox methods that are available should be used - In my experience it was and is still extremely important to offer yourself the best chance of recovery.

Keep in mind (I know you know this)that most people who get well use more than rife - I personally treated with the machine and pulsed antibiotics,used vitamins as well as salt/c and detox.

Credibility is important - getting well is crucial.

I know you know all of this - I follow your posts and I think it is great you are willing to document this and pay all the extra lab costs but in the end it will mean that it did or didn't work for you since we are all so different.

I do hope you get well - I just don't want you to limit your chances.

All My Best!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I do think it is extremely important to be methodical and have a third party rate results.

It is hard to be objective with your own symptoms or lack of them. I know this from my own disease, and past problems with depression. My wife was the first to notice that my depression was gone. I had not even noticed myself.

Randomly running this or that frequency without regard to what is happening is not going to produce a knowledge base to draw from.

I suppose that is why I like to run frequency A on my wife, without telling her what it is and rate responses myself. Sometimes I throw in a frequency for detox or some other benign frequency to make sure she is not responding to the fact I am treating her, instead of the particular frequency.

This provides me with honest reactions, that I then can repeat over and over again, gaining information that will be useful in the future.

I am in the situation in that only frequency treatments are available to treat the disease. They may not be the best treatment, I really do not know, but doing it properly is important.

Dan
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
"I do think it is extremely important to be methodical and have a third party rate results."


Methodical is one thing but above and beyond comes into play at some point - which differs for everyone of us.

For me and in my experience it is not necessary to go to that extreme but I do respect it.

More importantly, I don't want anyone to risk not getting well by leaving certain things out that helped others.

And I agree - a third party rate result is very important - I would have given up rife everytime I herxed because I thought I was dying but my wife knew I would come out of it and make progress. Having her see it made all the difference in the world.

You, yourself have also invested in other treatments (although frequency)by paying for the DNA frequencies - so you are using everything possible to get better and it sounds like it is working.

All My Best!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It has worked as far as symptomatic improvement is 100% better. She works 60 hours a week and keeps up with the housework also.

Now I want a cure, but that is proving to be more difficult.

I am overall impressed with the result. I have between $4,000.00 and $5,000.00 total investment if you add up everything we have tried, and the current treatment and equipment.

That is not too bad considering the results so far.

Dan
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
I agree 100%

Hopefully - the cure will come eventually for all of us!

My total investment not counting doctors fees(which were 4g's when my whole family had our 1st visit):

850 - emem3d

2500 - desktop coil - not used during the time I got well. it was bought after I returned to work.

1500 - my infrared sauna - which just stopped working 15 minutes ago and there is no schematic.

$$$ for vitamins - which I was taking prior to getting sick.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
MB - What you are doing is admirable. The main thing is that you get well, though - not be a science experiment. If you have to go off your course or do things outside of your plan, please do so.

"I expect to be sick for many months however"

I took exception to this one remark you made. It may be counterproductive. It may be better to expect nothing or be neutral rather than to expect to be sick. Expect the unexpected!

I know it's really hard to get a positive mindset after all of these years of being ill but we have to. I know because I've been there & I'm still ill, too.

Sometimes, you just have to try to think outside of the box. Even if you document your results with tests - these are your results. They may not apply to anyone else since we are all different & have different manifestations of illness.

Your studies & observations are for you. They may be helpful for others to see your experience but we are all unique. Also, the tests are not always accurate.

I think you really have to go by how you feel, not what the numbers on a lab test are. I appreciate the time you take to detail all of your experiences & all of the things you have gone through.

The main thing is to get well. I won't think less of you if you don't document everything or if you change your plans.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Anyone else do the syphillis numbers at all?

After herxing hard .. (which for me only lasts a day and a night) I feel a lot better. I am excited to continue using those numbers. But I also will not push it too hard.

I am amazed how quickly the herx clears. Much faster than any other treatment I have used. By Far..

Is this what other experience?
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I just ran 2016 for 90 seconds. I did not feel anything in my joints but my head felt like I was waking up from a dream or something when I shut it off. I also ran 76, 570 and 1584 for babesia, but I didn't do the rest of my lyme frequencies. I want to see if I herx from 2016.

If I don't see a herx by Sunday night, I'll run all the syph numbers.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I am back! I haven't posted in a while, but I have been following this thread carefully. I am really excited about all the people who are posting and using rife to help with their treatment.

I have a feeling that together, we can really help each other as we figure out what is needed to kill these bugs/infections in our bodies.

The last time I posted, I believe that I stated I was going off abx and soley doing rife & supplements. Well there has been a change in plans.

I have been off abx and not rifing for about 4 weeks. I have held my own while eating sugar, drinking and acting like someone who doesn't have lyme & co-infections.

With that being said, I am back on the treatment protocol as 2010 is going to be my year to get better.

I decided to get a second opinion about my past tx protocol as well as someone to tell me of my current options.

I met with a LLND, Dr. N, and she thought that my year on abx had really gotten the lyme under control since I told her I was 85% better and stuck. She felt that Babs hadn't been addressed and that is why I am still left with fatigue.

So I agreed to go on another yr of abx targeting Babs. New protocol is: Flagyl, Zithromax, Mepron, Artemesinin, Teasel Root and possibly Larium in the future.

With this being said, I has decided to still use my rife as part of my treatment. I will be using it regularly.

I am excited to try this new number 2016 and any other Syphillis numbers.

Well I am off to rife for lyme & babs. Today begins my new 'renewed' commitment to my getting better.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am glad you have made some progress.

I hope the combination therapy brings you to 100%.
Sometimes we have to hit it with everything we can.

Keep us posted on your progress, and Good Luck.

Dan
 
Posted by Jessica (Member # 23405) on :
 
I am deciding between GB-4000 and a coil machine.
Which one does run in the Mhr range (Dan's advice)?
Which one can run DNA frequencies?
Is anybody using GB-4000 or had any experience with it?
Where did you get it?
Any suggestions?

It's really expensive, so I would like to make a right choice.

Thank you.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The Coil is not able to run the high frequencies.

I have a GB-4000, and a Rife Labs EMX. I bought the GB used from a private party. The GB is a very good machine and has lots of handy features. The EMX is more bare bones, but can run high frequencies, and can do the job.

There is a used GB-4000 with amplifier for sale on the Rife Forum for $1,800 or best offer. I think he only has it listed on that site.

Of course, you have to be careful when buying something site unseen, from a person you do not know.

Dan
 
Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
 
hi, secondtimearound, just wondering if you got well the 1st time with the emem3d machine, why did you then get a coil machine? Just trying to decide which type of machine to purchase.

Thanks and take care, diana
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
FYI, 2016 had NO effect on me. I felt no herx. Can't rife right now but I wish I didn't have to miss my weekly. Maybe the herx will come later. I think I will go back to my regular protocol if I get a chance to do it midweek.
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
Hi Diana/All

The first time I only used the emem3d machine - I did however add in different antibiotics every once in awhile, salt/c and big time detox. I tried to follow the plan as outlined in the lyme and rife book by rosner.

I bought a coil machine because I wanted a second machine but I did not use it except to try it out a few times until I was just recently bit again. I purchased the coil machine only after I returned to work and had the money.

This time I have alternated between both machines and have herxed from both. I have also used a total of 7 days of antibiotics and 3 days of Buhner's herbs (1/2 the recommended dosage)since being bitten again on the 31st of October.

I'm pretty close to 100% again but this time I would bet my house I was treating babesia too with both machines. My experience was very similar to lauralyme's as described in earlier posts. Do I know for sure - no, but the symptoms were there.

I'm not prepared to say I'm 100% well yet but I haven't really herxed in about 2 weeks and have been feeling really good since about Christmas. I've been dealing with this disease off and on for 11 years so I know not to get to confident but I also feel like I am close to being well again by doing it the same way as the last time.

For those interested:

1998 - 15 different docs - finally treated with antibiotics for 11 months - pulsing the last 2.

I was completely well for almost 6 years - relapse or re bitten (not sure)but got really sick again and developed a severe yeast infection which turned me to alternative - rife. My doctor would not prescribe anymore antibiotics until the yeast was completely gone so I basically had no choice.

I was back to work in 4 months and totally better after about 1 year of treatment mentioned previously.

October 31, 2009 - found a deer tick - got sick again and still treating as of this writing.

Both machines work fine for me, it just depends on what you can find and afford plus what you feel comfortable with.

I am now looking at the GB4000 and the BCX Ultra because I want a more portable option and higher frequency ranges but I have to remodel the bathroom before my wife will give the okay! I'm planning on doing that project in February.

I am not trying to make this sound like it was easy because in 2005 it was pure heck and this time I was just as scared and it seems funny but I doubted my choices again every time I herxed - thankfully my wife has become an expert in helping me hang in there.

All My Best!
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by springshowers:
[.
I am amazed how quickly the herx clears. Much faster than any other treatment I have used. By Far..

Is this what other experience? [/QB]

No not in my case. It's not my intent to scare any new rifers I just want to share what I experienced and learned from my first rife herx.

I followed my rife treatment with all kinds of detox methods... binders, epsom baths, swimming, regular sauna, daily coffee enemas and nothing was really touching it.

It wasn't until I had an infrared sauna session that actually lifted my herx. I can't say enough great things about FIR Saunas.

I should add that I am still on ABX and herbals as well as chelating metals. I had to cut back the dosage on herbals and chelating after rifing.

From what I have learned to do after my next rife session is to immediately have a colonic followed by going to a FIR Sauna as my usual detox methods were too light to offer relief.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
For those interested, this is the machine I'll be doing my research on.

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Frequency Read, Contact Foot Plate, and Contact Hand Wand.

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As you can see, I carefully researched the specific machine and the person I was purchasing it from. The item was in mint condition, with all parts included -- just as the seller said. I was pleased
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
MB,
Your machine is very similar to mine, they must be brothers. I am very happy with my machine, but I find the tuning is very delicate and can be annoying. I rarely use the foot plate or hand wand at this point.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I ran 2016 for about twenty minutes but she could not feel any reaction. I am not sure that means a lot at this point.

I doubled it at 4032 and got a reaction after about one minute in the various spots where the Lyme always seems to show up. Knees, ankles and a shoulder blade, no spine sensations. These would come and go and eventually disappear after a while of running.

I also ran an original Rife Syphilis frequency of 789,000. this produced a similar reaction to 2016 0r 4032. The reaction was the same as the prior two frequencies, coming and going after it was run for a while.

I have not been able to correlate either 625 hz or 2016 to any original Rife frequency, although the anecdote seems to imply 625 was one of his.
In any case I can get nothing in the way of reaction from 625 hz.

I have not run the DNA frequencies, as I wanted to test some of these other ones. I did not have time to run them last night, but will at the next opportunity.

The reactions are getting less and less to the 2016 Hz frequency, and I hope that means there is less Lyme, but you know how that goes.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB,

Your machine looks a lot like mine as I have a DT EMEM5a. So far I really like it. I do have the opportunity to buy a good condition used Ultimate B3 (the model prior to the GB4000).

The reason I was thinking about buying this other machine was b/c I think you can pre-program the frequencies and it will run multiple frequencies for you.

Currently, I sit in front of my machine with my stop watch and manually program a frequency into the machine. I run it for a minute or whatever, then turn off the machine, plug another frequency in, turn on the machine, ect.

I was under the impression that this Ultimate B3 might be faster & easier to use.

Can anyone confirm or deny these thoughts?

Thanks
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I agree asummer, that's the only reason I'd buy another one. It may get tedious to do it with my machine. I'd like to use my machine while working out or something. I play Xbox, ride the exercise bike at the same time. Doing the Rife frequencies on top of that, and having it stop and start automatically might be a lot better for me.

What can you tell me about this Dan? Any options? Would the newer machine by Rife Labs do this?
 
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
 
Anyone know if this is a good machine

The BCX Ultra

http://www.bioelectricsforhealth.com/
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Steelbone,

I believe that one or two other people on this site are currently using the BCX. You might want to use the search section of this website for any references to it.

MB,

Looks like our machines are basically the same - manual, individual input of the frequency numbers.

It sounds like I am a multi tasker like you and it is hard to sit alone in a room with my machine for 30-40 minutes working the stop watch and such. That's why I am hoping the B3 would be a bit faster.

I can PM you about Dan, but it looks like you have the same machine that he makes. I am not sure about any newer models that Rife Labs offers.

Maybe someone will respond about the B3 or GB4000 and we will see if that could be an option for easier input.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
None of the Rife Labs machines come with the ability to program a sequence of frequencies to run automatically.

The BCX Ultra is a good device. It has been use by many people with good results.

The GB and B3 are convenient from the autoprogram stand point. The contact mode makes it less convenient, so if you have an EMEM already, you can use both to make it easier.

The GB-4000 or B3 frequency generator can be hooked up to an EMEM of most any kind that has an external frequency generator with an adaptor, and run that way using the autoprograms.

You do have to run it in audio mode,(no carrier wave) and turn up the power just enough to light the tube. I reccommend running the frequencies in a sequencial mode. One after the other, but not at the same time. The effectiveness of running multiple frequencies through a tube is not known at this time.

Be sure to check with the builder of your EMEM before using the GB or B3 as a frequency source. Some may not be able to run this way. I do not know of any, but you do not want to ruin your machine if it will not work.

Dan
 
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
 
Thanks Dan and summers

I am actually buying a dan tracey rife machine from a friend who doesnt need it anymore.

But i am thinking about adding another machine.

Is there one that is considered the best?
 
Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Is the Ultimate Zapper a good machine?

If so, why does only cost $175?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
A zapper is usually a battery operated frequency device that only runs one set frequency, or possibly a couple of frequencies.

It is said to clear the blood of pathogens, but I have never used one, so I cannot say what it does, if anything from personal experience. It is one of the Lyme treatments in Bryan Rosner's book, but it is a complimentary treatment to be used with other methods.l

Some people that I trust say it can help with some conditions, but it is not the same as a Rife type device.

Dan
 
Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Thanks, Dan.

There is a comparison chart on the website that makes it look like it's better than programming different frequencies.

???

http://zap.intergate.ca/page3.htm
 
Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
So is rife an electrical frequency/frequencies or a sound frequency?

Forgive my ignorance. I've read the whoe thread and still don't get it.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
He is comparing to battery operated zappers or a few battery operated frequency generators. I doubt a battery operated device has the same power level that a Rife type machine has.

You need the ability to use specific frequencies, as all pathogens do not respond to the same frequencies.

It may have its uses, but it is not the same thing.

I will make a correction. The device mentioned in Bryan Rosners's book was a Magnetic Pulsar, not a zapper. Two different things.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Rife frequency treatment uses frequencies, but they are not converted to sound. If you took a Rife type contact machine and hooked the positive and negative leads to a speaker, you could hear the frequency, if it was in the audible range.

It is similar to the frequencies in your speaker wires. They make no sound until the speakers convert them, but the frequencies are present.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Thanks for the info Dan. Yes, I agree that you wouldn't want to run different frequencies at the same time. I am excited about typing in the numbers and running them in sequencial order.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Summer, that's what I was talking about, wasn't it? We program in the sequence we want, how long we want it to run, and then we sit and wait, right?

That would work for me while biking, playing Xbox, and all that stuff?
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB -- yes, it looks like you could ride your bike b/c the machine would run the numbers and you don't have to keep entering them in manually the whole time you are operating it.

For some reason, I didn't think you were supposed to use the rife near computers or TV's. Might want to double check about that, in regards to your xbox wish.

Do you think using 2 machines during your treatment will affect your systematic process?

IMO - Get started using your current machine, time is a wasting!
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I may forego many plans as I continue research. I have not begun. I'm finishing a number of books on Rife and frequency. Sylver's book is really great. I'm finding that a simplistic routine may not be in my best interest, even if it could be helpful for controlling variables. As usual, reality is so much more complicated than a laboratory experiment can entirely account for.

We'll see what happens. I'll do my best to get the best of both worlds if possible.

It's a constant process of working things out in my head. I have an appt with the LLMD this Thursday. I know she's going to have ideas and plans that may conflict with Rife, so starting the therapy within the very near future may happen.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
What are the primary underpinnings of an appropriate routine for Rife therapy in your opinions?

In other words, water, detox, exercise. What do you find to be the three most crucial things, and do you use specific machines for purifying water or at least making it safe and healthful, and do you use certain brands of a certain detoxification product or drug?
 
Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
 
2ndtimearound, thanks for your reply and info, and everyone else thanks for sharing all of your experiences, it is very helpful/informative. I plan to try a machine at the llmd office a couple times to make sure I can tolerate it, and then get myself a machine.

thanks again, diana
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I finally bought a rife.. a used perl. The info I have so far suggests rifing every day for lyme. This scares me. I think you can also run multiple freqencies at once (banks I think). This sounds contradictory to all I have learned about rifing lyme. Any thoughts???

Thank you.. and thanks for such a helpful thread.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
For anyone who is interested - I wrote this out the other night and it got lost in cyberspace somewhere! Arrrgh! Oh well, here goes again [Smile]

1st treatment ever:

612 - 1 Minute
432 - 1 Minute
= 2 minutes total

I herxed VERY hard. My first herx started about 12 hours after my first treatment. Increased brain fog, joint pain, fluey muscle aches, chills, freezing cold hands and feet, increase in muscle twitches, extreme irratibility along with crying spells, and fatigue that was out of this world. This lasted about 3 days and then lifted pretty quickly after that. For detox I drink LOADS of lemon water throughout the day along with 3-4 cups of strongly brewed green tea. I also take turmeric, milk thistle and vitamin C daily for liver support.

2nd treatment: 2 weeks later

612 1 and a half min.
432 1 and a half min.
=3 minutes total treatment time

I had basically the same herx as the first time - all the same symptoms - but to a lesser degree. It was a little more tolerable.

I rifed again 2 weeks later but added 306 for 1 minute and 2 minutes each on 432 and 612, totaling 5 minutes treatment time.

From that point forward I increased my treatment times and continued to add new frequencies such as 76 and 1,224, and ending with 10,000. By my fifth treatment I was up to 18 minutes total treatment time. I had very strong herxes but tons of improvement always followed so it was worth it to me.

A few months into treatment for Lyme I had a Babs relapse so I used my machine for that. I did 20,27 and 570 all for 1 min each totaling 3 min total treatment time. I had an immediate clearing of all symptoms. I didn't have near as bad a herx from Babs as Lyme, so I got really brave really fast and upped my time substantially until I was rifing for Babs anywhere from 15-20 minutes at a time several times per week.

All the frequencies I use with ratings:

Lyme
612 - 10
432 - 8
1,224 - 12 (yes, it's that good)
306 - 5
76 - 6
10,000 - 7

Babesia
570 - 10
20 - 10
27 - 10

Hope that helps and happy Rifing!
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Also, I haven't been around a computer for a week or so and it's so great to see this thread growing so fast!

The past couple of weeks I've kinda felt that I've hit a wall as far as rifing for Lyme is concerned. I know that Doug Mcclean felt that spirochetes could become resistant to the same frequencies and I'm wondering if maybe that's the case??

For the last year I've pretty much had the same pattern: Lyme symptoms hit - I rife - typically have an immediate clearing of symptoms which lasts a glorious 24 hrs or so and then classic herx.

Here's the new pattern over the last few weeks. Lyme symptoms hit (which lately has included a lot of old symptoms I haven't had in a while) - I rife - I have the same clearing of symptoms that lasts for about 24 hours - AND THEN no herx! Just the same symptoms back that I rifed for to begin with and they don't go away again until I rife AGAIN and then they're only gone for about 24 hours before returning again....it's really confusing me.

I'll definitely be trying the syphilis frequencies - I need something to hit this this stuff hard.

Trial and error...trial and error. How I wish there were an easier way!
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB -- You ask an interesting question about the underpinnings of an appropiate routine for rife and I think that it differs from person to person.

IMO, I do feel that purfied water and detox are imporant to everyone. You don't want all the die-off to be recirculated back into your system. You need to flush it out.

I think exercise is important IF you can do it. Right now, I can't.

In terms of the water, most people I know have installed a reverse osmosis system in their homes.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LL28 -- Thanks for posting your tx protocol. Just like you, I don't feel a herx come on for 12-24 hrs after I rife. And then the fatigue is crushing along with the flu-like symptoms & pain in the neck.

I think that it is good that you are seeing old symptoms re-appear. I think I read in Bryan Rosners book that it is like peeling away layers of an onion and that towards the end of tx, peole report their first lyme symptoms re-appear.

So don't get discouraged, I think that it is a good sign.

I think it would be a good idea to throw in some new frequencies for lyme & babs. I will post some frequencies that I use.

You also might want to look into doing some research into the DNA frequencies. I haven't used them yet, but I plan on it within the next few months.

I agree that the trial and error part of the rife process is the hardest. Sometimes it feels like finding a needle in a haystack.

LYME Frequencies
42- 125- 203- 240- 432- 380- 484- 570- 610- 611- 612- 650- 690- 790- 800- 810- 832- 864- 920- 942-1224- 2112- 4320- 4328- 2,506,752 and 10,000. You can do 10K everyday

BABS Frequencies
570- 20- 27- 76- 5776- 753- 432- 1584- 1583- 650-661
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have found that 612 works for Spirochetes.

2016 Hz works for some form of Lyme that I have not determined yet. It is not killing all cyst form and might not kill any. But it does kill some form of Lyme that 612 Hz is missing. Possibly, it is just more effective at killing Spirochetes than 612 Hz, but I am still not sure on that point.

What I do know is that the DNA frequencies are still hitting something that neither of the above frequencies are eliminating completely. I am fairly certain the DNA frequencies do hit cyst form.

I have contradictory evidence, so my new frequencies consist of:

612 Hz
2016 Hz and multiples such as 4032 6048 hz (Syphilis)

789,000 (Syphilis)

The first ten DNA frequencies run in the Mhz range.

I am going to try determine if 789,000 Hz and 2016 Hz are doing the same thing. I also am going to try determine if 612 hz is needed at all if the Syphilis frequencies are used. I have some evidence that 612 Hz may not be needed if the Syphilis frequencies are used.

Confusing results, but nothing else has been easy either.

Dan
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by R62:
I finally bought a rife.. a used perl. The info I have so far suggests rifing every day for lyme. This scares me. I think you can also run multiple freqencies at once (banks I think). This sounds contradictory to all I have learned about rifing lyme. Any thoughts???

I would not rife for lyme everyday. A friend of mine also had a PERL and he said they recommended the same thing but he didn't do it that way. I would also check the frequencies they use in the "banks" just to see if they are in agreement with some of the more effective ones people here prefer. If not, I believe you can set up your own programs.

Once again - I wouldn't do it everyday or very long until you verify the freqs and see how you react - start slow - just my opinion.

All My Best!
 
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
 
Interesting thread to say the least. Something I've definitely considered after I'm done with Dr B protocol is Rife treating.

Is that pointless to do after doing an abx treatment and going into remission?

Could i possibly pull myself out of remission by starting to hit lyme with rife? lol
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks for all the great information.

I have had to take a break from Rife since I was in the Hospital all week but I want to get back to it and again start slow using the detox numbers I have posted I use to see how it goes.

My whole body feels so different after this infection and I got to feel the waters again.

This thread really has grown to become a wealth of great information and experiences and includes some great specifics that I know is helping us all and will help many to come...

Blessings to all...
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Asummers,

Thanks for the encouragement and the frequencies you use. Some of them were new to me so I'll give them a try for sure. I plan on rifing tomorrow using the syphilis freq that Dan posted. I'll let everyone know how it goes...
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by asummers:
Just like you, I don't feel a herx come on for 12-24 hrs after I rife. And then the fatigue is crushing along with the flu-like symptoms & pain in the neck.

Asummers...Your rife herx description is exactly what I experienced added with dizziness and pain on the back of the head. Would that be a lyme or a babesia herx that you provoked with rifing?

Are you able to distinguish between the types of herxes based on the frequencies you used?
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
secondtimearound.. thank you. I dont see how if one herxes 12-24 hours later that you can judge what is too much if doing every day.

It is most desirable to hit one frequency at a time, right? The bank will go through all the frequencies set in it.

LL28.. what if the rife is disabling but not killing? Then the immune system would come in and fight but not be able to finish off? Would taking homeopathy or transfer factor be helpful?

If you are herxing with the same frequency again, then it is still working, right?
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
"secondtimearound.. thank you. I dont see how if one herxes 12-24 hours later that you can judge what is too much if doing every day."

In my opinion - It really appears to depend on the individual and their immune system.

If you want to try it everyday - that is certainly up to you - I personally wouldn't.

You could rife for other things though.

Three years ago when I first started rife my immune system was in real bad shape so I, actually my wife identified my pattern.

I would rife and 3-4 days later I would be a wreck - so I believe that it took longer for my immune system/body to identify the toxins. Of course this is all opinion/personal experience.

This time after being bitten again I would rife and then herx the next day. Of course I had been completely well for three years with a healthy immune system.

The idea is to kill the active spirochetes, detox and wait for the spirochetes to build up again - this appears to be the case when lyme has converted to the other dormant forms of the bacteria.

I noticed this both times being sick - the first time I had to take my time waiting for it to activate plus I was so sick. This time because it was a new infection I needed/wanted to rife every 2-3 days for the first 8 weeks. Now I haven't had to in the the last 2 weeks. I will tonight and see if I herx - but I don't really have any symptoms at this time so we'll see.

As they activate and you have detoxed the previous toxins you do it over again for as long as it takes.

This has worked for me twice now with the small additions of other treatments - meds,salt/c and this time, 3 days of buhner herbs.

I have done very little outside of the protocol outlined in the lyme and rife book by rosner.

Frequencies:

It would probably be beneficial to do both - run multiple frequencies and individual. I can only run individual frequencies but running the multiple would cover more per treatment, hit the in between ones and save time - This is why I am looking at the GB4000 so I can have the best of both worlds.

All My Best!
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I saw my LLMD yesterday (Dr H in NY). They are encouraging me. They said "We have a routine for people who Rife that will support your treatment. The Rife is your decision, we don't know or suggest frequencies, but we can provide plenty of help in detox, heavy metals, and many other areas that we use with patients who do take that route.

This was a shock to me. It was the PA who I saw and have worked with. She is brilliant. She did "not" prescribe or recommend this to me, but she seemed excited and happy about my decision to take it seriously.

At any rate I'm exhausting a few more antibiotics before starting. She prescribed ongoing Rifampin, Tindimax, Naltrexone, RX Chelex, Vitamin D3, Milk Thistle, Vitamin B6, (Multi Mineral), Lariam, Magnesium, Diflucan or VFEND, Ongoing Nystatin, VSL3/Theralac/Saccrymycin, ALA, and NAC, as well as Dr. Zhangs Hepa#2.

She also told me to get a Reverse Osmosis unit installed for fresh water. She told me I need to drink a lot (but also replace the lost minerals from Reverse Osmosis with one she prescribed), especially when I begin Rife. She told me once I'm done with the antibiotics, then I can start Rife if I choose. I told her that's how I wanted to do it.

Anyway, I thought this was exciting news since I'd never heard her so excited about Rife before.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Frequency treatments are not as unknown as you would think. It is just not discussed openly for the obvious reasons.

I am glad they know how to go about detox, since this can be a problem for some people.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
From an old post of mine

"I ended up looking into the list I was given with my machine for syhphillis and ran that program last night.
Wow. it was powerful. I am herxing badly today. Quit intense.

If your curious about those numbers.. they are

900 660 650 625 600 626 20 658

Notice all the 600's!"

Has anyone tried this sequence?

I found I got quite herx from it and after finding the 2016 in old antidotes then I went searching for other syphillis numbers.

I think there is something to this and from readings here Dan is in agreement with the signifigance.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I noticed that there were some questions about the BCX ULTRA Machine posted by some.

I am using this machine if you want to Message me or ask me any questions feel free to and I will try to help in any way I can.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LL28 -- you have inspired me to try the syphilis number/s as well and see if i get a reaction. I hope you will post your reactions to the frequencies here, as I am curious to see who else reacts.

lauralyme -- i have been concentrating on rifing for babs more than lyme. from what i can tell so far, i seem to have the same herx whether it is lyme or babs that i am rifing for.

my goal is to get to rifing once a week for lyme and twice a week for babs.

and my pain is actually in the back of my head/base of my skull/neck. another thing that i noticed was that the nights that i rife, i actually fall asleep easily. i usually have problems with insomnia.
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by METALLlC BLUE:

She also told me to get a Reverse Osmosis unit installed for fresh water. She told me I need to drink a lot (but also replace the lost minerals from Reverse Osmosis with one she prescribed)

Viewing a recent video of Dr H at a conference he stated that he put alkaline water ionizers in his office. Hearing him say that was encouraging me to buy one but now I see his PA leans towards reverse osmosis.

Now I'm confused as to what water system to get.
[confused]
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Laura,
She told me about the Ionizer too and said that's really great. She wasn't pushing for one or the other per se.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB -- glad to hear that you had a positive experience with your PA about rife. I used to see Dr. C (MO).

I brought up rife to him as an option and he stated that he has had many patients use rife and they no longer need to see him b/c they are doing so well and are in remission. He in no way tried to discourage me from using it.

I know what you mean when you want to exhaust all abx options, I am in the same boat. That is why I signed up for another yr of new abx to try and kick this babs in the butt.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Okay, I didn't Rife yesterday as planned. I felt so good and I didn't want to ruin it!

I woke up this morning and had a lot of symptoms and just an overall "Lymie" feeling, so I decided to play around with the Syphilis frequencies to see what happened.

Like Dan's wife, I can feel what frequencies work and don't work during treatment. I get weird twinges and twitches and shooting pains in my bones and things like that - very helpful b/c it makes it easy to tell which freq are working and which ones aren't...

I just rifed about 2 hours ago and here's what I did:

2016 - 3 minutes

600 - 3 minutes

658 - 3 minutes

900 - 1 minute

I had zero reaction to any of these - nothing. I was pretty disappointed and starting to feel a little discouraged. I decided to go back through my notes from months back when I was having so much progress to see if there was something I was missing....

I noticed that back in July I had used 800 and noted "major reaction" in my notes - but I never used it again (whoops).

Sooo, I thought I better give 800 a go again and see what happens. WOW!! About a minute into it I started twitching everywhere. My right leg started tingling and I got a stabbing sensation in my head near the back of my ear. My wrists also started to hurt REALLY BAD. I ran 800 for 3 min total.

I then decided to play around with some other 800 numbers so I ran 832 and 864 for 4 minutes each freq. I had a very similar reaction to both of those - a lot of twitching and random pains.

About an hour later I had to run to the toilet several times because I had bad...you know...

NOW I feel sooo good...almost like I took a happy pill or something and just a total feeling of relief.

I'd love some speculation as to why the 800 frequencies caused such a profound reaction in me. Aren't those Bartonella frequencies? I thought I got rid of Bart a long time ago...
 
Posted by Stacyb (Member # 13084) on :
 
Metallic,

That is great that L. gave you options again.
I always liked her. Hope the new protocol goes
well!

BTW your PM box is full!
Please contact me.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LL28 - first let me say how jealous I am that you can feel the frequencies as you are doing the rife. I think that makes it so much easier.

Yes, those 800's are Bart frequencies and I am not surprised that you had a reaction to them.

Off the top of my head I am remembering something in Bryan Rosners book about when people are on abx, that the lyme & coinfections hid from the abx deep inside our bodies. Then, when we are off the abx, over time they come out from hiding.

I am guessing that is what is happening to you. It sounds like it has been a while since you treated for Bart and now they think it is safe to come out and have a party.

That is why I thik rife is something that is used over the long haul (years). Because a lot of us pushed these infections into 'remission' and it is just a matter of time before they come out to play again.

Not sure if I made sense, I have terrible brain fog and difficulty formulating my thoughts in an adult manner these days. I think you have Bryan's book, it is in there somewhere.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Hey asummers,

I do feel very blessed that I can feel many of the frequencies working...it does make it easier.

I think you're absolutely right about pushing the infections into remission on abx and when things are "safe" they come back out to get you.

I've had increasing symptoms over the last few weeks and I've been rifing and rifing and rifing with basically no results. Of course I was using Lyme frequencies - I thought I was chasing the right thing. No one is more surprised than me that it seems to be Bartonella rearing it's head again.

I took Zith for about a year and it seemed to have cleared it for me, but apparently not completely.

I KNOW that I'm gonna have a nasty herx from this treatment, but hey, no pain no gain!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hello..

I was wondering. Does anyone just feel better after each rife and does not herx?

Also.. People who use Foot Plates. Have you used them on your calves while laying in bed? And if so did you notice any difference? I have tried it and I notice I get a much bigger sensation and even burning feeling. I wonder why that is. Is it because of the thinner skin?
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I've used a footplate under my calves and felt nothing from it.

Last night I rifed with someone in the room who isn't usually there and isn't symptomatic, although he had lyme with a bullseye and was successfully treated with abx years ago. He felt pain in him left wrist every time I hit an erlichia frequency, even without knowing when I hit them.

Interesting.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
A wet wash cloth should be used on the plate for conductivity. Dry skin is not a very good conductor.

Interesting result with the Erlichia frequency. you can use this same blind method to eliminate any placebo effect possibility.

I used to do this extensively, which is how I determined that it was an effective treatment.

Dan
 
Posted by Healing in Santa Cruz (Member # 7798) on :
 
Since doing Kpu,I am feeling better after Rifing with my EMEM. Quite interesting to me.A few days later though I feel ill. Not sure if that is a herx or not as KPU protocol still is quite intense.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Tonight I tried something different. I hooked up the GB-4000 to the amplifier and the EMX. I ran frequencies through the contacts and the plasma device. Contact mode and plasma mode at the same time. I also ran the Gating feature.

I am somewhat limited to frequencies this way as I am in Audio mode, which leaves me lower frequencies to use. I ran the Lyme Harmonic first, which is 306 Hz and doubled each time to a total of eight frequencies. These run at the same time. It had some effect, but less than moderate.

Then I ran 2016 Hz for forty minutes. She felt this quite a lot at first. She felt it in her jaw, spine, hips and just about any place a joint existed. After about 15 minutes the effect diminished and was not too bad after that. She did say she might have to turn it off in the beginning. She did stick with it, and it got better.

I ran 6048 Hz also, but not much was felt from that frequency. It seems that either most of the Lyme was killed, or she just could not feel it anymore for whatever reason.

Dan
 
Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Does anyone know if there are frequencies that could possibly kill healthy cells?

Is this a concern with rife?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
From the NCFL

5000 (allergies, short use only, long exposures may affect red blood cells)

Treating Tuberculosis should not be done, as there are some possible hazards in making it worse, by missing pathogens released by the breaking up of the bacteria.

This comes from Rife's experience in treating animals with TB. If done correctly, it was very effective, if done wrong, it was deadly to the animals.

These are the only potential problems I am aware of. Of course, not everything is known.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I'm happy rifing mostly every day. I'm just beginning, not very sick, not very big herxes. I haven't used the amplifier yet.

I do 612 and 2016 for 1 minute each day. They feel warm in my forehead. 2016 feels warmer and stronger.

Candida rifing hasn't cured my candida yet. It's better, but not cured. Also, i just assume it's candida, haven't had any scientific diagnosis.

Dan, what frequencies did you use to cure it?

I'm using the Candida CAFL 1 , both as groups and sequence, for 3 minutes on groups, and then gradually increasing the number of single frx, i'm up to the first 6 frx, 1 min each.

Before that i was using the GB4000 candida frx as a group, their channel #122.

The candida frx feel warm in my forehead too! I'm feeling everything in my forehead, and nowhere else.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have never treated Candida or yeast of any kind.

464 Hz was mentioned by one researcher that I trust.

Dan
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Well, I did it...I just ordered the GB-4000 last night!

I have a lot of studying to do so I can start using it on my husband (and myself) soon after it gets here!

tickbattler
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The GB is a great machine. I hope it help you both a lot.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Tick battler congrats on ordering the GB 4000. I doubt you will be disappointed. I am buying the B3 which is the model the company put out before the GB.

I ran the syphillis frequencies for 1 minute each. I didn't have a herx from it. In order to double check, I ran the frequencies again the following day. The second time, I might have felt a twinge in my head on 600, but still no herx or other reactions.

I think this is a good sign b/c if I had a reaction, my husband would have some explaining to do [Frown]

I have a DT EMEM5a and when I ran the high frequency of 789,000 - my machine sounded like it couldn't go that high. There was no light coming from my machine and the noise was so slight. Can this machine handle high frequencies like these??

I was also reading another rife website that states Dr. K feels that many lyme patients have chronic strep that they aren't aware of. And some people were rifing for strep off the CAFL list.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks Dan and asummers. I hope it will do the trick. I haven't ruled out also getting an EMEM down the road.

I too worry about strep...particularly for one of my 5 year old boys...he has OCD tics but has tested negative for strep. I do wonder if it is just not showing up in testing.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Good Deal Tickbattler.. I hope it wokrs out well... I am excited for you.

I have had to lay off the Rife at all since I was in the hospital and recovering.

I got the guts to try it two nights ago and It was sooooo painful to do. I am still dealing with risidual pain from the whole ordeal even after two weeks post discharge.

Not sure if that had something to do with it or if it is because I had to take a 3 week break?

What do you think.

I barely could handle it. I then after a few hours did just detox and healing and organ support and that sure helped it calm down some.

Now I am fearful to do it again but I know it might be helping too.

I ran a new program just for bacterial infections because of this Port Blood Infection but I do not think that was the issue. I ran my other normal programs I have been for Lyme and Parasites and Viruses. I have 3 I run now consistently. And I felt like never before. The pain shotting through my legs and arms and knees and wrists and head and toes and feet and fingers and and neck and back and all over the place.

HAs anyone had shooting pains like all along your nervous system?

I think that is where these buggers are hanging on.. Is that known ?? Do they hang on the nerves or do they just affect the nerves as a reaction??

Anyone know how this works?

Thanks..


OH Good point on the STREP Commment. Before I got sick.. I had STrep throat every 3 weeks for 6 months and that is what precursed my huge illness and bedridden condition forward...

So Thanks for reminding me. I am going to look those up!!!
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Spring,

Maybe the blood port infection took alot of work for your immune system and while it was busy with that lyme and co's popped back up again, then when you rifed you hit them?

In any case, be careful and go slow.
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
I react favorably whenever I ran strep and staph freqs. I don't know why. I've often suspected I have a chronic staph infection hidden somewhere in this old body.

It rears it's ugly head every so often.

Pam
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am pretty sure Lyme attaches to nerves. That is what brings on Bell's Palsy. I also think that is why my wife can feel the effective frequencies.

Strep is common, and anyone can have it. I was randomly running frequencies to try find out why I was so sick, prior to my Crohn's Diagnosis. I ran strep and had several hits in various parts of the body. I was surprised by that since it was one of the few times I felt a frequency doing something.

It did not resolve my problem, but I never would have guessed I had any Strep in my system.

Dan
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Dan,
Have you tried running the frequencies for Mycobacterium Tuberculosis, or any of the frequencies that some suggest may be causing Crohn's Disease. Mycobacterium avium subspecies paratuberculosis?

I'm just curious where you are in that regard. Since I was also diagnosed with Crohn's Disease, I now attribute it to tick-born infection having caused my autoimmune illness, but I suspect infectious disease is general the cause of conditions like this.
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Dan, which bacteria do you contribute to your Crohn's sx?

Pam
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Yes, I have treated for MAP and a few other suspect pathogens. I had already used MMS, which actually brought me straight out of a flare, so the effect of the frequencies is hard to determine.

There likely is an interplay of several pathogens that exist because of a faulty immune response. My use and the success of MMS suggests this may be the case.

I simply do not have hardly any symptoms to resolve at this time. I have it under control so well it is hard to really tell if any other treatment does anything or not.

I have several potential methods to get me out of any future symptoms, and I would be surprised if one or more of them would not do the trick.

Dan
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Very interesting about the strep. My niece, who has Lyme, had frequent strep infections as a child.

As far as Lyme attaching to the nerves, do you mean neuro. through the nerves themselves or the brain or a combo? I have had many neuro problems, but the one I find most interesting is my voice problems. An ENT said it was a neuro effect of Lyme that causes my vocal cords to go in spasms.

I was given a diagnosis of indeterminate colitis (because it skipped my transverse colon), but lately my gastro has been calling it ulcerative colitis. He says because the damage isn't that bad, but it was only the 1st scope that showed it.

Anyway, a long time ago I read where somebody said that Bartonella is the culprit for IBD. Didn't Dr. Fried say that, too? I tested neg. for Bart, so guess it's my Lyme.

My hubby is going to go to my sis' and retrieve my EMEM. I feel bad taking it from her, but since my relapse and the expense of the Bicillin injections, AND everything other part of the treatment is killing me I feel I need to.

Should I try it on my Lyme or no, because I am getting the abx? Or should I just use it to detox and/or use the frx for other infections (like the ones in this thread)?


liz
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It will not hurt anything to go at the Lyme, but I would try 789,000 Hz and/or 2016 Hz in hopes of hitting something other than Spirochete form.

The ABX will pretty much have eliminated any Spirochete form.

I hope you are drinking Green Tea to help the ABX.

Dan
 
Posted by UnexpectedIlls (Member # 15144) on :
 
How can one use rife with EMF sensitivuyt? I have it severely, so I am guessing RIFE would not be a good option for me??
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The sensitivity problem may prevent you from using frequency treatments or not. The problem is worse when using a sine RF carrier wave, but many machines either do not use a carrier wave, or you can run it without it.

I would try find a machine to try before buying one for sure. Then you will know for sure. The sensitivity problem seems to always get better as Lyme is reduced, but getting past that problem is not easy.

Dan
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Well, I'm definitely having a flare of some sort. In the beginning of this thread I just had to talk about how great I've been doing and how I'm functioning at 90% - Well not anymore [Roll Eyes]

I'm trying not to look at this as a full blown relapse but I've got about 20 different symptoms all at once right now that I haven't had in a loooong time. Muscle twitches everywhere, feels like bugs are crawling around under my skin, the right side of my face is numb and tingly, eye pain, crazy floaters, headaches coming and going with the wind, severe joint pain in my hips, insomnia, random anxiety and a few other things I'm sure I'm forgetting because the brain fog is back too!

All of this happened after starting coconut oil - that is the only thing I've done differently. I didn't start out slow either. Nope, I thought, "Hmmm, I'm doing so well I think I'll take 3 TBLSP a day. No worries, I'll be fiiiine". Ha!

Not positive that's the culprit but I don't know what else it could be. I rifed last Saturday and had major reactions to all of the Bart frequencies which really surprised me, but no reaction to any Lyme ones. I rifed again last night and had zero reaction to the Bart frequencies and a lot with the Lyme. Soooo, basically I'm totally confused. Maybe they're taking turns?

One thing is for sure - this SUCKS.
 
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
Where do you buy an economical rife machine? How come I can find no companies on-line? Only thing I can find is site warning against rife as being a total scam.
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
I'm so sorry to hear about the relapse LymeLauren. [Frown] THIS is why I responded on that one thread saying this crap IS a LIFELONG battle. All these talks about cure/remission never hold up. I hope it turns around soon. Good luck.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Thanks Seek, I really appreciate it. I believe too that this is likely a lifelong battle for most of us....
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Sorry To hear Lauren. Dang. How long were you at 90 percent? What percent do you guage now? And how fast did it go down to that? Just like a month or two?

Are you doing anything besides rife? or are you planning on just doing rife to try to recoup the ground? Did you stop the coconut oil? Did that help at all?

Gosh I am so sorry. This whole disease sucks bad and I do not wish it on anyone ever... I thick about near every other disease and sometimes wish I had them. Even the deadly ones. I guess the long term suffering gets to me. Sometimes it just makes you feel like you wish at least there might be an end soon.

Well. Hugs and My thoughts are with you... I hope this is a short setback and you will regain your 90 percent very soon. 90 percent is great!!! so you were there not that long ago and I have faith you will return soon...

OUr bodies have memories. I saw a show last night about pain and how after years of pain our minds develop a pain memory and that they are researching how to break that cycle with various visual neuro therpies and that they feel confident that we can teach patients to retrain the brain back again to feel no pain and help the chronic pain sufferers. Pain is and has been a large part of my symptoms and meditation a large part of what helps. So I do believe that it can work. It was just reearch.

But point is that your body has that memory of 90 percent that is still pretty fresh. I hope you bounce back to it soon.
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
Lauren,

Hang in there it may be just a progression backwards through the infection - as outlined in Rosner's book. I wonder if the coconut oil could have opened some cysts.

Rich,

I think others have posted links throughout this thread where we purchased our machines.

Here is where I bought my two machines:

www.rifelabs.com - they just had a family death so I'm not sure if the son has gotten back up to full production yet.

www.coilmachines.com

I am not affiliated with either.

All My Best!
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LL28 -- I agree with secondtimearound about the progression backwards theory. Now that you aren't on any abx, these lil' critters are coming out of hiding.

I am not familiar with Coconut Oil and its purpose, but it sure sounds like it did something.

This is the time for you when rife is going to be more important than ever. It sounds like the bugs have come out to play, bart, babs, lyme -- who knows, but I feel you have to be vigilant and rife.

If coconut oil is a cyst buster, then I would rife after b/c what you don't bust could turn into spiro's.

Hang in there.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Look up monolaurin in regards to Coconut Oil.

Richedie there are many different machines out there. The GB-4000, Several EMEM devices. One of the lowest cost devices is made by an individual who makes them at cost.

I will PM you some info, but I will have to do it tomorrow as I have to go to work right now.

Dan
 
Posted by Deb133 (Member # 18544) on :
 
We have a DT EMEM for my daughter. Easy to use and is very inexpensive. There is about a month wait list.

PM me if you have any questions on this particular machine.

DG
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I am so far behind and this is so far back in the thread, I am including the entire post.

Thank you, secondtimearound. This makes a lot of sense. It seems folks that use the perl have a diff protocol and I am not sure how to go forward. I dont understand 5 days on and two off. Esp with delayed immune responses.

quote:
Originally posted by secondtimearound:

In my opinion - It really appears to depend on the individual and their immune system.

If you want to try it everyday - that is certainly up to you - I personally wouldn't.

You could rife for other things though.

Three years ago when I first started rife my immune system was in real bad shape so I, actually my wife identified my pattern.

I would rife and 3-4 days later I would be a wreck - so I believe that it took longer for my immune system/body to identify the toxins. Of course this is all opinion/personal experience.

This time after being bitten again I would rife and then herx the next day. Of course I had been completely well for three years with a healthy immune system.

The idea is to kill the active spirochetes, detox and wait for the spirochetes to build up again - this appears to be the case when lyme has converted to the other dormant forms of the bacteria.

I noticed this both times being sick - the first time I had to take my time waiting for it to activate plus I was so sick. This time because it was a new infection I needed/wanted to rife every 2-3 days for the first 8 weeks. Now I haven't had to in the the last 2 weeks. I will tonight and see if I herx - but I don't really have any symptoms at this time so we'll see.

As they activate and you have detoxed the previous toxins you do it over again for as long as it takes.

This has worked for me twice now with the small additions of other treatments - meds,salt/c and this time, 3 days of buhner herbs.

I have done very little outside of the protocol outlined in the lyme and rife book by rosner.

Frequencies:

It would probably be beneficial to do both - run multiple frequencies and individual. I can only run individual frequencies but running the multiple would cover more per treatment, hit the in between ones and save time - This is why I am looking at the GB4000 so I can have the best of both worlds.

All My Best!


 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
This rife is really working! This is exciting! It's going so much faster and better than i ever imagined!

The pattern so far is that i rife e.g., early a.m., feel herxy woozy all day, thinking i'd better not rife the next day till i get clear, then the next a.m. my head is all cleared and i'm ready to rife again.

Except today i didn't rife, so i had a great day with a clear head, hours of mostly symptom free, ---which is better than i got from years of abx!

Then i rifed, for Babesia, Candida, Lyme, and for the first time i tried the Dental Foci channel #200 and had a stronger head reaction than from the others. I also did have warm head feelings on Fry Labs protozoa 72 and 120.

For detox i'm doing lemon and garlic every day, and some nights chlorella or MCP Modified Citrus Pectin.

So i think the rifing is just amazing!

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Hey Polly,

Thanks for the report. I can't wait to get my GB 4000 and to start using it on myself and my husband!

I saw you mentioned that you only did 2 frequencies for a minute each in the beginning. How long did you do this before you added more frequencies or run time? Also, why aren't you using the amplifier yet? Do you think it would be too strong?

I'm curious, where did you get the Fry labs protozoa numbers? What was the rationale for linking these numbers to this protozoa?

Were they listed elsewhere in this thread?

Thanks!

tickbattler
 
Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :
 
Nenah Sylver quoted Peter Walker as saying, "Pad devices have a positive effect because they can tonify the body and help improve its energy levels. Plasma units are great for killing parasites."

Makes me wonder whether plasma units are preferred over pad units for eliminating lyme.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi..

It was me who wrote in a past post on this thread that

"Reminder about 72 and 120 ... Nynah Silver writes that those two numbers kill 75 percent of parasites.
"

So hence the connection thinking that those might cover the fry protozoans..
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Yes, here's the quote i got the numbers (72, 120) from; it's good to get back to the original source before starting rumors!! Thanks for the reference, springshowers!

QUOTE
Someone started this thread about killing the Fry Bug which is a goal of mine

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/88900

I added in the 72 and 120 and it hit me with the biggest punch yet...

So I suggest trying these to to start with. I will post any more infor I find out if and when I do.. : )
springshowers
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 19863

A couple of us are trying to target the mystery protozoan and

Karenl stated in another thread "started rifing the 787 for malaria and it did something all over my body"

I added progrsms to my generator and they are

Malaria - 4, 20, 28, 222, 550, 713, 880, 930, 1032, 1433, 1444, 1445, 455, 743

Malaria - 555,728,787,880

Toxo - 434, 852, 19665.89, 979.11

I always still add in the Detox and Kidney Liver Lymph programs too

Otherwise I am doing long periods of time on the rife...

I started with just the detox and organs supports for the first few weeks. This really helped me alot.

I now do those plus rotate with a Viral program and Parasite program and Lyme program. Now added in Malaria and Toxoplasmosis.

We will see... I see it also as some insurance on not allowing what I have done to return as well.
So we will see.

springshowers
Frequent Contributor (1K+ posts)
Member # 19863
UNQUOTE
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END QUOTE
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Tick b-----

(Polly starts here) I'm still doing only 2 minutes a day on lyme, 1 min 612, 1 min 2016, and i still haven't hooked up the amplifier.

It feels right to me: i still have to feel woozy all day, so it's giving me plenty of effect. My most urgent problem is Candida in the guts, so i'm doing 6 or 9 min per day on Candida.

I may have slight left-over Babesia or even Bart, so i spend a minute or 3 min on those groups, which i imagine make me feel better.

I thought it was interesting that i thought i felt a comparatively strong reaction to the Dental Foci channel; i do have a couple of root canals and an implant, so i should do that channel every day---

provided i can take care of detox properly! That's still a puzzle for me. I've got a whole file of quotes and need to research chlorella on pubmed. My LLMD said sauna is the best detox. My problem is fear of robbing my calcium, magnesium, strontium, and trace minerals.

I'm also worrying about this quote from another forum:

QUOTE
Reply here: http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/

Posted by : Michael Walczak

I would caution anyone of using serious Detox supplements, and the Rife frequenciies for any major dx while trying to grow bone into an implant. The surgery and metal implant compromises the Immune System, especially the white killer cells. The Detox interferes with the cellular bone growth, as well as, the gums.
You can read this information from many years ago in Price-Pottenger literature. Do one at a time. Unfortunately, it is difficult to ignor cancer cells, while waiting for the Implant to heal. :cry:
UNQUOTE

What to think about that???

Also, for completeness, i am still taking a small dose of abx and a full dose of Buhner and Babesia herbals.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
I've known since I bought my rife machine back in '04 that it was a lifetime investment into my future/well being.

I've never expected the magic "cure" thing. I've known for 10 years this was a long journey.

Remissions are very short lived. It's very complicated. I'm a vector magnet. That's why my rife will be with me for the rest of my life.

That's why I was blessed enough to be led down this path.

Pam
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
At first i felt all the rife reactions, while rifing, in my forehead. Now i'm feeling all the reactions while rifing NOT in my forehead, but in the rest of the brain area like top and back head.

Why? what does that mean? Do the books by Bryan Rosner and Nenah Sylver explain why i feel them in the head now? I haven't read these books.

I wish a guru like Selma or Dr K would say something far out like "your channels are unblocked".

Do these books say my technique is wrong of fudging treatment: a little abx, a little rife, but not enough to kill a bug?

Should i buy those books?

My husband is a skeptic: he looks at the manual and says "Sine wave... square wave... energy.... these people have no idea what the words mean. None of this makes any sense to me."

Then i say, "The Dental Foci channel hit me hardest."

He: "Better have your teeth checked."

I: "But you don't believe in rife."

He: (fudge, wiggle)

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Holy 72 & 120! I just rifed these two numbers and 1 hour later, I have stabbing pains all over my body. They feel like a 4 on a scale of 1-10 so there are managable.

I know this is a herx from the rife, b/c pain or even stabbing pains is not part of my symptom list.

I can't wait until I try the Malaria & Toxo frequencies.

How often can you rife for parasites?
 
Posted by BTTaylor (Member # 14342) on :
 
Can those of you who rife with an EMEM machine- if you have been rifing for close to a year- tell me the amount of total time you are rifing?
I have been rifing for 8 months now two times a month but am only up to 14 minutes total including the 10k detox. I know people respond differently to rifing, but would be interesed in knowing what amount of time others have worked up to. Thanks. Beth
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Beth,

While lyme is to be 12-14 days apart for treatments, you can rife for other infections/conditions more frequently. This will move you along faster.

You can even do 10K everyday (to address inflammation).

And, even with lyme, as you get better and herxes become a thing of the past, treatments can be more frequent. That can take a while for many, though. Still, no point in letting time pass you by if you can do treatments for coinfections while you wait out the lyme timing.
-
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by canefan17:


Is that pointless to do after doing an abx treatment and going into remission?


I didn't Rife until I had been off abx for about 6 months. I didn't even think about it taking me out of remission! EEEKKK!!! [Eek!]

I credit Rife with keeping me off abx.. that and mangosteen.

I need to get back to rifing again.. been lazy over here!!
 
Posted by NellieK (Member # 23554) on :
 
Having great success with No Rift Rife! See separate post. Yeah!
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Beth -- I have an EMEM machine and I use it up to 30 minutes 4 times a week. I rife for other things besides lyme (babs/bart/detox/parasites/candida, ect).

For example, when I rife for lyme I use all the numbers on the CAFL list. So it can take some time.

I thought the idea was to increase the time as you herx less.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NellieK:
Having great success with No Rift Rife! See separate post. Yeah!

Where is the separate post?

Dan
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BTTaylor:
[QB] Can those of you who rife with an EMEM machine- if you have been rifing for close to a year- tell me the amount of total time you are rifing?

I used to Rife about 30 minutes every two weeks on the EMEM.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Just wanted to chime in here and say that I'm feeling lot's better. I was caught up in a nasty herx that took a while to clear.

I know I still have some active bugs but my symptoms are greatly reduced since my last treatment.
I plan on rifing again tomorrow and trying to re-start the coconut oil next week.

Beth I've been rifing for about a year now. I rife 3-4 times a week also (mostly for parasites this often) Lyme about once a week sometimes going as long as 2 weeks. When I rife for Lyme it's usually between 30 and 40 minutes per session.
 
Posted by lifeline (Member # 3445) on :
 
I also rife for approximately 30-45 minutes at a time about every week, sometimes 10 days apart.

Mine is an EMEM from DT, and I love it. Just like Lymetoo, I also credit my staying off abx due to rifing.

I just need to start on parasites, I think, from what I'm reading here.

This thread is excellent reading.

lifeline
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I started getting a little tinnitus, just a touch on waking, which i think started after doing the Dental Foci channel #200.

Then today one ear started fading out at times during several hours, but stopped after drinking more water.

Was it because i did 3 min total on lyme today, including 2 min on 2016? Was it released mercury affecting the ears? Or was it something to do with the Dental Foci frequencies? Or was it a reaction to one minute on a Bartonella groups channel?

It seems i'm getting reactions, possibly, to all the bugs: Bart, Babs, Lyme, Candida, Dental; but the herxy feelings seem to all clear within 24 hours.

Does that seem like a correct analysis?

Thanks for insight,

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Polly,

Most people I've spoken to herx about 24 hours after rifing...but I know according to Bryan Rosners book herx reactions are as different and varied as the people using the machines. The fact that you feel bad right after rifing THEN feel better later is still indicitive of a herx. Sounds like you may have excellent detox pathways and your body is cleaning up the mess really quick.
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Im going to be really dense.. so sorry..

I am so confused about this perl and how to use. I am still told to use 5 days a week even if for 2-5 minutes a day then two days off..

wont that put Bb into cyst form even if I can handle the detox?

Are you all finding that running multiple frequencies is best later in treatment? Do you do that at all?

I can see sweeping as being beneficial and hitting many frequencies in general sound like a good idea to me... except for maybe lyme. ???

A general health frequency is recommended first. It targets organs and staph, strep... a few other things cant remember. That sounds like a good idea, but ????

I am just thrown off here.. It doesnt help to hear contradictory info. Its driving me nuts, feeling so confused.

How the heck are you all who have a perl using it? I am guessing I can create a bank with just one frequency?

I am beginning to regret the purchase. I got a great deal on a used one, but I am so confused how to proceed. Esp when support is telling me info that totally is diff from what I have been reading for the last two plus years.

Thanks so much..
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can try their method and if it is too much for you go the way most people use it.

The frequencies will not put it into cyst form, but it will eventually remove all of the Spirochete form, and then you have to wait for it to convert from cyst form into Spirochete form to kill it effectively.

That is not going to happen until you have used it for a longer time, unless you have just got off antibiotics.

The PERL is no different than any other machine, so you are not required to use it any particular way. I do not like canned methods of treatment. We all respond differently and have to make adjustments.

Take one way of using it of your choosing and see how it works for you. You have to start somewhere. Adjust based on your reaction. If it is not working well that way, try the other way.

Sometimes you just have to adapt as you go. Let us know how it goes. The right way is the way that works for you. You will find that out with experience.

Dan
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
R62,

It may seem like it is confusing but try and relax. You have to decide how you want to treat yourself, everyone progresses differently.

The PERL manufacturer told my friend the same thing - use it 5 days and two days off.

He did this at first and then changed his plan.

He chose to make up his own frequency bank and just use that one based on the main numbers that most people have listed here.

If it were me (my opinion only) - I would make up a sweep consisting of the popular numbers listed throughout this thread and run that one.

I would also experiment with individual freqs to see if I could notice any reaction.

This is a long long process for most so hang in there and keep a documented journal to help you remember.

I agree with Dan - it should not force lyme into a cyst form.

All MY Best!
 
Posted by daphnesmom (Member # 22267) on :
 
Just thought I would jump in here to say that if anyone has a rife machine they would like to sell I would be interested.

[Smile]
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
What if the coinfection frx also treats Lyme, should that one be avoided between the 2 wks?

My sis is bringing back my Rife machine Tues. All of you have got me so excited to do it!

liz
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I have another question (I know that comes as a shock [Wink] ). What kind of things do you keep in a journal?

I had a journal of sorts, but I know it wasn't a good one. I don't think it contained enough info, but I don't want to require so much info that I don't keep it up. I am not good, at all, in keeping journals to begin with.

Thanks again,

liz
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
A journal entry should be basic and not more than a paragraph at most. You may include brief notes of symptoms which worsened (main ones), the frequencies you used, how long the duration was, and how long inbetween the present treatment and the last treatment was.

That's pretty basic, and probably a reasonable foundation to start with.
 
Posted by BTTaylor (Member # 14342) on :
 
Thanks to all who replied to my question about the length of time to rife as the months go by. However why is it that you should rife only every 10-14 days for lyme and you can do it a lot more often for co-infections such as babesia, bartonella and the others. That doesn't make since to me. Don't the co-infections let off toxins as well? Where is info to show this?

I am learning that some of you who can rife weekely or daily must be further into rifing and also your body detoxes quickly. Then also a person needs to learn if their body is reacting to the toxins of the dead lyme or are you reacting to just the living lyme in your system. I haven't quite figured that out yet.

Before I first started rifing I asked myself what quality of life did I have after being on antibiotics and not improving as much as I thought I should. Not much. It was scaring me more to be on antibiotics long term than to try rifing. I so wish we had a manual on rifing. At least we have Rosner's book to refer to but even with that there are so many variables that affect people differently. So I continue on.... Beth
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
R62, I had a naturopathic doc that thought I should use my Beam Ray rife everyday M-F off on weekends.

I was her first lyme patient and did I ever teach her a thing or two. Early on after coming off 3 yrs of abx there was no way I could use rife daily without killing myself.

I was a walking talking dying toxin. Had to do tons of detoxing and still do. I finally settled in at rife sessions every two weeks.

I'm able to focus on other protocols with my machine, but I still don't rife for lyme and more than once a week.

Pam
 
Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
 
pamoisondelune, can you keep us posted on your tinnitus? I had tinnitus already(zithromax), but got a new sound in both ears when I tried a computer-based rife machine 3 weeks ago, and it hasn't faded yet.

Thanks, diana
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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BTTaylor:

partial answer to your question is that lyme is one of the most toxic infections known to man. Some say second (or third) only to botulism - or antrax.

So, yes, the toxins/die-off from lyme ARE much stronger than from other tick-borne infections and, added to that, the debris from the broken up spirochetes themselves, it's just a tremendous amount for the kidneys and liver to filter out.

Still, your question about die-off from other infections- and from the killing of those - is a good one. Maybe others will have light to shine on all that.

----------
www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

From the Townsend Letter for Doctors & Patients, February/March 2006

BIOCHEMISTRY OF LYME DISEASE: BORRELIA BURGDORFERI SPIROCHETE / CYST

by Prof. Robert W. Bradford and Henry W. Allen

Excerpts:

. . . A discovery of great importance relating to a toxin produced by the causative agent of Lyme disease, Borrelia burgdorferi, has been linked to a similar toxin produced by the organism Clostridium botulinum (botulism). . . .

. . . The toxin from Bb belongs to a family of toxic proteins known as "zinc endoproteinases" or metalloproteases, and includes the toxin from the organism causing tetanus as well as those from many other well-known infectious diseases. . . .

-
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Wow to that Keebler..

Pam, Dan, Second... thank you!

I am very neuro lately since this fall and this is not easy to focus.

Im going to bullet point to help me sort this out.

(1) Keep a notebook

(2) Start with one frequency and see what happens or a bank of how many? Then the usual start time is a about what with a perl like device.. for a frequency or bank?? I as told 2- 5 minutes with the bank (which I am thinking means you dont get all the frequencies in the bank unless you have progammed several at 30 seconds... )

(3) Once I do a session.. wait two weeks and at least one week to see what happens since my immune system may not respond right away.. then as long as it takes for the herx to clear.

(4) I can do other settings like the General Health setting of lymph etc.. on any day, but keep the lyme 1-2 weeks apart, at least to begin with.

(5) Do you recommend rifing for other bugs in the beginning?

thank you... Robin
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Does rifing hit more than abx? Does one session of rifing equal a week of abx for example..

I have been on a pulsed protocol (for only two months) with omnicef and biaxin on MWF for three weeks and one week off.

This second month, I had to stop at two weeks on.. my head was so stuffed literally, sinuses and neuro symptoms very bad.. which have cleared a good deal since off this week.

This technique sounds like rifing only we are putting some bugs into cyst form. But you are not allowing the bugs to encyst so that you are symptom free.. I am herxing the weeks I am on even on my off days. There are no clear days like when I was on ceftin for a lower respiratory infection and one day felt like I was almost normal.

How do you have good days when rifing.. if the bugs never encyst as much as they will on long term abx.. then how do you have good days?
 
Posted by secondtimearound (Member # 7249) on :
 
Ok lets try this another way:)

Here are the frequencies I used the first time and the second time I was sick:

21,27,306,432,612,800,918,4200,5,000 and 10,000 -these were all I used for lyme and detox.

I used 832 for bart and 76,570,1584, for babs.(not sure that I even had these but it felt like it) I did have ehrliciosis but doxy wiped that out.

I started out just doing a couple at a time and keeping notes - real simple ones like MB suggested.

I did not go slow the first time I was sick and really hurt myself because I did not know how to detox properly and my body couldn't detox that fast anyway. That is why everyone suggests 1,2 or for some, 3 weeks in between treatments.

"How do you have good days when rifing.. if the bugs never encyst as much as they will on long term abx.. then how do you have good days?"

It's kind of rough in the beginning especially for someone not on meds (My doc stopped all meds so I had no choice). I use to rife - feel like crap (neuro and fatique) and around the third or fourth day I would be crying like a baby - I honestly couldn't stop it but I always felt a little better because it felt like my head cleared out a little.

I'd wait a couple more days and do it all over again. The first 3-4 months it seemed like I was in a constant herx.

When I went back to work I tried to time it as best I could because I didn't want to be crying on the construction sites - I got pretty lucky that way.

"Does rifing hit more than abx? Does one session of rifing equal a week of abx for example.."

For me - I herxed REALLY bad on flagyl and zithromax and pretty good on doxy. My herxes with the meds were almost identical to the ones I got while rifing. Totally worn out and then an emotional wreck around the 3rd or 4th day.

The new bite I just had in October I rifed 2 times a week and added in some meds and herbs but I felt that I had a low bacterial load. It still took me until Christmas to feel close to 100%

All My Best!
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I am calming down a little here. Thank you, second.

I think I must have gotten the impression the perl works differently and am getting from Dan it does not.. same concept and will go with the slow and paced. It threw me with the 5 day deal.

What do you all think of running the General Health bank (before addressing lyme) for a few weeks 5 days on 2 off. It supposedly acts as a test for detox reactions (for one) and balances body systems.

(this has been recommended for the perl before lyme treatment)

It seems like a bit much to me, but I dont really know...

It addresses the following:

ecoli, herpes, staph, strep, candida, fibromyalgia, muscles, tremors, kidney, skin lymph, chronic fatigue, blood, nerve disorders, liver issues, digestion issues, autoimmune issues, cold and flu, parasites, fungus and mold.

I can see addressing body systems, detox organs, but the pathogens all at once as well?

[ 01-30-2010, 11:50 PM: Message edited by: R62 ]
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
How can one frequency do all this?

120 - Anal_itching, Arthritis_1, Arthritis_general, Arthritis_1, Asthma_2, Backache_and_spasms_1, Bed_wetting, Bone_spurs, Cancer, Cancer_breast, Cancer_general_1, Cancer_maintenance_secondary, Candida, Chronic_fatigue_syndrome, Cold_3, Complete_early_crane, Complete_early_rife, Dental_infection_2, Diverticulitis_acute, Eczema, Emphysema, Emphysema_comp, Fatigue_general, Fibromyalgia, Fibromyalgia_1, Fibromyalgia_2, Fibromyalgia_TR, General_antiseptic, General_demo, General_prog_Blaster5, Immune_system_stimulation, Kidney_stimulation_TR, Moles, Morgellons_disease_TR, Multiple_sclerosis_4, Multiple_sclerosis_6, Muscle_tonic, Muscles_to_relax, Myositis, Parasites_enterobiasis, Parasites_filariose, Parasites_general_1, Parasites_general_2, Parasites_general_comprehensive, Parasites_general_short_set, Parasites_roundworms_comp, Parasites_roundworms_general, Rabies, Rhinitis, Ringworm, Sinusitis_1, Sleeping_sickness, Sore_throat_comp, Tetanus, Throat_tickle_chronic, Warts_plantar
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
R62 -- In the beginning of your rife 'journey' it will be a slow process b/c you are trying to figure out what frequencies work for you.

For example: Last week I ran the syphilis numbers and got no reaction. Then I waited two days and ran 72 & 120 for parasites and was knocked over.

So I marked that in my journal that these parasite numbers will be in my weekly rotation. Then today I ran the Malaria frequencies and herxed right away with those. So those will be added to my weekly rife schedule. When I am done herxing from today, I will try out the EBV numbers, and so on.

It is a slow process, but IMO you need to run the sets of frequenices separately at first to see how your body reacts. You don't want to run a bunch of different frequency sets and have a reaction and not know which of the sets caused the herx. you would be wasting your time.

My journal consists of the date, frequency numbers, duration of each frequency and reaction (herx) when it started and how long herx lasted.

Once you start to rife enough, you will begin to listen to your body and know when it is alright to rife again.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
One frequency probably does not do all that is claimed. All of these frequencies come from various sources. Some reliable, some not.

I just assume that a frequency has a chance of doing as it is supposed to. Until I get a measurable result, I kind of expect it will not work.

But some of the Lyme frequencies do work, and I can measure and repeat that result.

Dan
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
R62,

Asummers just gave you excellent advice. Start with one or two freq. at a time and document what kind of reaction you had - that's the smartest way to go.

Change of subject: I rifed again yesterday and tried 72 and 120 for the first time ever (I only used these 2 freq) and ran them for 6 minutes each.

OUCH. I had a knarly herx today. Just very achey and toxic feeling. I've downed over a gallon of water since and it's starting to ease off. I'm excited that I had such a good reaction and will definitely be using these 2 again.
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
One frequency.. 612. OK. Thank you.

One more thing to grind out.. so sorry..I was told to start with the General Healing bank as I mentioned above. This is not a lyme bank, rather it hits a bunch of bugs and targets organs for support. Does this make sense to you all to hit these bugs first? I can see targeting organs for detox and support as a general cleansing, supportive thing before starting a protocol, but this seems a bit much and for over and hour for 5 days in a row:

It addresses the following:

ecoli, herpes, staph, strep, candida, fibromyalgia, muscles, tremors, kidney, skin lymph, chronic fatigue, blood, nerve disorders, liver issues, digestion issues, autoimmune issues, cold and flu, parasites, fungus and mold.

Can lyme folks do this kind of bank esp for that long and consequtively and survive?

(promise not to continually be posting like this.. extremely cold feet here)

Robin
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The conditions mentioned in the general healing bank are quite common infections. I do not think it would hurt to try it out. Quite often you can tell if something is being hit. I had a reaction to Strep that was quite obvious, although it was not causing me any problem that I know of.

I have run hundreds of different frequencies for various pathogens, and have only had a reaction to a couple of them. While you do not always feel an effective frequency, if you do feel it, you can be pretty sure you are hitting something.

A person just does not normally feel any frequency in these ranges.

Start out with a minute or less with any frequency and work up. It is just a general rule if you have Lyme.

I prefer to do things very deliberately and methodically. I run frequencies for one pathogen at a time. Then I have a better chance of determining if it is something I have, and if the frequency for that pathogen actually works.

The DNA XMRV frequencies had a very obvious effect on myself. I ran them the first time and had sore intestines after.

Later runs of the same frequencies produced the same effect, but to a lesser degree. Eventually I could not feel it at all.

My adult son had the same reaction, my daughter had no reaction, my wife developed Shingles from the frequencies.

If I would have been running multiple frequencies for various pathogens, I would not have had a clear picture of what I was hitting, or what caused the effects of the treatment.

In the end, I still do not know if the frequencies helped me in any way, but I am pretty sure I had XMRV and also my son. I am pretty sure my wife and daughter did not have it. My wife has Lyme, so as far as I can tell, XMRV is not playing a role in her disease.

Dan
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I thought only syphilis and Lyme could make you herx literally? If that is so, what are the other symptoms from cleansing, detoxing,...?

I found it hard to figure out what frx might have been helping me, because I only had one obvious herx. It was the 1st time I rifed and I only did it 30 secs.

But since I had herxed terribly on doxy. and a good bit with salt/C it made me nervous. Now, that I am on abx and find I have very mild or no herx, but continue to improve I won't get so nervous about not herxing with rifing.

So, the problem is it will be hard to gauge feeling better with one frx and in such a short time, and so ironing down frx. Any suggestions?

Ok, now I want to see if I got this straight. I should rife for Lyme every 1 or 2 wks, but in between I can rife for anything else and I can cleanse at any time?

Dan, when you say one frx how often do you run it (every day, every other day,...)? When do you stop running it? I imagine when you don't have a response any longer.

liz
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I've graduated to using the Amplifier now.

Today i did 7 min total including 612 ,2016, and 464, 1 min each, also 3 min on Bartonella groups (which i had no obvious symptoms of), and 1 minute on Filarial worms group (tick borne). I did the Filarial worms yesterday too. My guts are a lot better, mabybe because of this.

Now i'm feeling the current or reaction to the current only on the scalp at the top of the head.
My reactions have changed so fast! First on the forehead only, then in the head only and not the forehead, now only on the top of the scalp.

Why?? what does that mean? I wish Selma were here--- she always had an explanation, an interpretation.

One day i zapped only on Candida frx and put the foot plates on my abdomen, and felt nothing at all in the head.

My PLAN is to gradually go OFF ANTIBIOTICS.

Does this plan look good? I'll start by skipping the abx every other day, but rifing on 612 and 2016 every day. That way any bugs that come out of cysts in 24 hours will get zapped; the purpose of the abx being not to kill bugs, but to keep the lyme in their cysts.

Then i'll skip the abx for 2 days, then for 3 days, while rifing on 612 and 2016 every day, to catch any early-emerging spirochetes; and so forth for longer and longer intervals. The purpose of this is so i don't get swarmed with 10,000 emerging cysts all at once; to pick them off little by little.

Does this jive with lyme biology? i should review that first.

I have no idea how many cysts i have, since i took GSE Grapefruit Seed Extract 3 times a day for 2 or 3 years, but never took Flagyl or Tindamax.

dogmom, i didn't get any more tinnitus, sorry.

I had a slew of eye and ear pains last two days; now i feel good today, herx hasn't started yet today.

Eye pains can be from lyme, babs, or bart. I don't know if it was a herx or what. I've had that before, it's not new, a whole series of eye pains over a couple of days. What does it mean? I wish some magician could analyze for me, what the eye pains are; i was on abx that day, so the lyme would be in its cysts, wouldn't it?

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
The general health setting has so many frequencies that it is impossible to do it for just a few seconds. In fact they say if you have to stop, make sure to continue and complete within 4 hours.

I cannot imagine using a machine as long as the protocols call for. You'd be sitting in front of a rife machine all day.

Unfortunately the progen frequency generator does not scan frequencies simultaneously. You hve to purchase more progens to hook up and run together.

Dan and all, have you found the need to run simultaneous freqencies as the GB4000 does?

I am thinking not.. it looks like most of you hit a handful at most and consecutively not simultaneously (?) and run for 30 minutes or so at most and you work up to that?

The detox support settings can cause a "herx" like feeling because you are moving toxins out, I am assuming?

Do regular support settings like liver or lymph cause a "herx" like reaction?

When you run a supportive of detox frequency, do you also start with seconds of time.. how do you gauge that.. also other pathogens that do not cause herx reactions.. how do you gauge time?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
A herx and a Cytokine reaction are hard to distinguish from each other. The first is a reaction from an actual toxic substance and the second is an immune system response to a pathogen. The symptoms are very similar.

I run frequencies every day when trying to eliminate a pathogen. Since I do not have Lyme, that is not a problem. I usually run each frequency for five minutes, but I have run them much longer, if I have time. For non Lyme frequencies, five minutes is a good starting point.

I do wait until I no longer have a response, but that does not really mean it is completely gone, so I will run it on occasion, just to be sure.

I used to run eight frequencies at once, but now that I have isolated specific frequencies that do the job, I only use a handful of frequencies.

Running eight at a time did work, but each frequency only has one eighth of the power of running one single frequency.

I will run eight at a time when treating the Flu or something with a huge number of frequencies. Since you do not know which strain or the specific frequency that will work. I also run the GB-4000 in Channel Sweep Mode to sweep all of the frequencies at the same time.

Dan
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
I think I may be getting it. Thank you.

There is only so much power. If you run simultaneous frequencies, you are sharing the power between the frequencies.

This is fine for dealing with certain infections or organ support, detox and esp like a flu when you dont know which frequencies will work and dont want to sit in front of a rife machine all day running sequential frequencies.

For lyme and company (Or just lyme?), we want to use full power so one frequency at a time and select out the frequencies we need, which we can create a personalized bank for.

How do you use the organ support, detox frequencies.. 5 minutes to start and possibly per treatment as a general rule unless treating lyme and does that include co infections?

Are there any co-infections frequencies that also need to be started with less then 5 min?

The GB sounds very handy.

Thanks so much..

Robin
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
How do you all rife with family members in the same house.. room.. esp with a device that has a range that might cover half or more of your house?

I'm thinking we all get exposed from the beginning and work up together or I have to find some time alone in one corner of the house and make them stay at the other end, which is not going to be easy around here.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Dan-- Thank you so much for revealing that each frequency in a simultaneous group of 8 frequencies
gets only 1/8 power!!! That's the first time i ever heard that!! i feel a bit gypped. Did i miss that in the manual somewhere?

Is that information found in the books by Brian Rosner and Nenah Sylver? should i buy the books ?

------

I didn't get ANY Herx from 7 min rifing yesterday, so i did 31 min today.

Thank you for the information---

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I learned that from the designer of the GB. It also has been discussed on the Rife Forum.

I do not remember it being in Brian's book, but it has been a while since I read it.

Even at the lower power level, it seems to work OK, but it is something to be aware of for tough bacteria like Lyme.

Brian's book is good as an introduction to Lyme disease and the various treatments used. I think it is worth while for anyone new to Lyme Disease.

I am still reading Nenah's book. It has a great deal of information on all kinds of subjects, and I have learned a lot.

It is a one of a kind book, and really is probably the best book on medicine from the alternative point of view, I have ever read.

I am glad I bought it, and have not been disappointed in any of it so far.

It is expensive, but you just are not going to get much of this information from anywhere else. It has an amazing amount of information.

Dan
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I also like Sylver's book. Expensive as hell, but worth it for any serious Rifer. It is also where I learned about the DNA frequencies like you did.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
My plan is working perfectly! Significant treatment capability!

NO ANTIBIOTICS Sunday or Monday. I rifed 31 minutes Monday a.m. early. By Monday afternoon the pressure in my head was building up, continuing through evening.

(Pressure build-up is the usual symptom i feel upon stopping abx, and it starts in a day or two. I've done this in the past, and the pressure continues to worsen, till after a few days or a week, i really can't stand it.)

Another symptom was a fluttery feeling in the chest, but the pulse was normal.

The pressure build-up told me that the lyme (or other??) was coming out of cysts. If they are live and loose, i'm not going to let them grow and multiply! So i decided to rife again Monday evening, even though i haven't heard of rifing twice in one day. I agree with Dan, not liking canned treatments. The bugs are out, vulnerable, kill them!

I intended to rife maybe 5 min each on 612 and 2016. As soon as my head felt the 612, it said, "yes! yes!"; it felt like the right current is hitting the right target. The pressure began subsiding; i got relief while rifing. My head told me that 2 minutes was enough on each frx. The pressure was relieved and gone during rifing. Afterwards my head and also eyes felt greatly relieved. They felt good.

But the fluttery chest feeling did not subside. It was scary thinking of loose spirochetes around my heart. So i decided to take an antibiotics dose to either kill them or send them back to cysts, because I already had enough future toxins and herxing coming to deal with in the next day or two or three. I didn't want to continue treating active bugs, since i had just treated enough bugs for now.

So i took abx, and went to bed. For the next hour i felt the fluttery feelings, which in bed i recognized as the "invisible tremors" or fasciculations. That's a scary or unpleasant lyme symptom. One hour after taking abx, this feeling stopped.

The SIGNIFICANCE is that i can TREAT MYSELF in REAL TIME. I can FEEL the attacking SYMPTOMS, I can TREAT them IMMEDIATELY, I can FEEL IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, and i can FEEL when to STOP.

I KNOW what's happening and can TREAT IMMEDIATELY. That was the great advantage Selma had in her self-treatments. I can't identify the pathogen as much as Selma did, though.

People say lyme is slow-growing! So why do i feel something growing after a day and a half? This is consistent with me; over years, it's always been like that. People say that if you relapse fast, it's bartonella. But other doctors say that lyme can come out of cysts very fast; so it's a dispute about facts.

This is a variety of off-and-on pulsing, except i get to choose the timing! One LLMD forced me to go off abx for 2 weeks at a time, to follow the schedule of 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. But i felt terrible and very resentful, when i could feel the bugs coming out in 24 hours and making me worse, and i'm supposed to follow the RULE based on inaccurate (?) FACTS, and just suffer for 2 weeks because it's a STANDARD, "canned" treatment not adjusting to my symptoms.

So my treatment schedule worked and i plan to repeat it--- when i FEEL head pressure building up, rife; then deal with herxes in the next few days.

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 02-02-2010, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have never used any organ support or detoxing frequencies. I just could not quite grasp how anyone could have determined a frequency for organ support.

We really never needed to focus on detox much. The couple of times we did, it was using Burbur.

I do think detox can be a very big obstacle for some people, preventing them from improving.

I would think the frequencies that stimulate the Lymph Gland's would be beneficial, but I have never used them. Some electrotherapy devices focus on just stimulating the Lymphatic system, so it may be fairly important to those who do not detox well.

As with most everything with this type of treatment, the user will have to determine what works for them and what does not.

Dan
 
Posted by daphnesmom (Member # 22267) on :
 
Has anyone been using Rife, who has has EBV? I am wondering if there is any negative or positive effect.
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Interesting experience on detox and organ support for me.

I have had several bad days in a row. I just felt so toxic, achey, exhausted and bad headaches. I had thought maybe it was just from rifampin I had started about 4 weeks ago?

Yesterday I couldn't handle feeling crappy anymore and turned to my rife machine. I ran 10,000 for 5 minutes and followed up with 465 for 5 minutes.

Spent the evening in toxic h#ll, mind and body were exhausted last night so I went to bed early. Bed early and up early has been a new experience since starting rifampin.

About 30 minutes after awakening this morning my stomach was cramping so bad. Yes, after the body function.....I felt like a different woman. The obvisious result was the horrible toxic BM. How embarassing, but true.


I completely felt relieved, energized and so different today. So the detox freq got something moved out.

Pam
 
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
 
This is such a long thread and I apologize as I am sure it's probably here...

But has anyone here ever done about one year of abx( a long course) and then stopped for about a year and then the symptoms start to creep back and then you decided to use rife(instead of abx) and has the rifing helped?

Have the results using rife been better than any other results that you noticed while on or after using the abx?

Has it been noticeably better than when you used the abx???

I am considering buying a rife machine, but have used abx first.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Polly -- just read your last post. Really interesting! Good for you, that you are listening to your body.

You have given me some ideas about when to rife. For example after taking certain abx or after a rife session to do a coffee enema.

Thanks and I look forward to your next posts.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Daphnesmom -- My titers for EBV are very high. And fatigue is my worst symptom.

I have noticed that there are EBV frequencies, but I haven't gotten around to trying them out yet.

I do know there are DNA frequencies for XMRV -- which some say is the cause of CFS. I was going to try them out this month.
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Last night, 612 for 20 seconds plus a few to turn off the machine.

This afternoon, severe breathlessness.. i hate it when its in my lungs, tachy... low grade fever. Had to stop my myers IV because symptoms were either triggered by it or just the herx symptoms.

Anyone herx where you feel breathless and have tachtycardia? Lost all color in my face for hours.

Also noticed my blood was very dark.. the man across from me had this beautiful cherry red blood.. mine slow and dark. Came home and took serraptase since it helps with lungs as well as blood.

I do take 2 nattokinase or serraptase a day, but thinking when toxins are out, the blood might need more enzyme support?

Thick blood causes breathlessness? I prefer the flu like herxes. This is pressure in my chest and feelin pretty ucky.

Any ideas what to do? Sound like a herx?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks for all the great info.. Out of town for a good long week and will be re reading them

I have not seen any information from Blue on any start or progress or reports on experience. Blue have you started??

I am off all IV now as of 6 days ago.... I am taking this weeek to calm my body and let things settle and heal. After the hospital visit and treatments and taking out a port and now picc, my body is a big exausted as you might imagine.

Good news is I am tired but do not feel so sick and ill like I used to. I have cleared a lot of infection out of me. I now am focused on how to get my overall fatigue and pain to follow. I have bot still but I can sense that those will take longer to leave. I have windows and days where it better than in a long time. If I had not ended up in the hospital I think I would have progressed more by now. Also that H1N1 flu I got back in Nov.

I did a rife session last week and after that blood infection the rifing experience has been a bit painful. Looking forward to moving beyond that.

I definately think the detox programs work. They work for me. I am suprised that people like dan not only do not use it or them but do not seem to believe or see how they could.

For me rife is a much bigger picture than just killing bugs, Our bodies are all made up of energy and our organs are part of that. I believe We all work best at a certain energy or frequency or harmonic or whatever... I think f it makes a lot of sense that you can affect certain areas of the body with the rife. Think of accupuncture and the chi energy and how the Flow of energy keeps organs healthy and moving and working well. Ever had a accupuncture treatment where you feel your stomach and digestion start to move dramatically during or after. The energy can get stagnant. I so hugely think that rife has helped me so far just as much with detox and energy flow ... as it does with affecting the bugs I have. As a matter of fact i think moreso and that is what motivates me to keep using it.
While herxing too on any modality including rife. The rife helps so much.
My rife has the ray tubes and I heard recently from a professional how much that is better than just a rife with just electrodes ... (feet and hand plates and holders). Also that direct contact of the tubes and completing the curcuit is better than sitting in front of the stand along plasma machines and devices...

Food For Thought.

Glad to see this thread thriving and growing and great experiences and details of all of you help so many. No thread like this have I see online really and not on lymenet.
Great Work..

I love it.

How are the 72 120 numbers going for those using them? Those protozoans are not to be ingored IMO

Blessings...
And Love and Light and Healing Energy To All
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Question. How do you tell a herx?

The symptoms I had: breathlessness; a low grade fever that would vascilate back and forth 99.1 highest, but I run low around 97.9- low 98s regularly; slight achyness, feelign unstable physically..

Fever gone in hours and went to bed with the heaviness in the chest. Achyness, which was not as stong as some herxes I have had, also gone within hours?

If a herx.. what does this mean?

I did take extra serraptase (in hopes to thin the blood.. wondering if thick toxic blood can be a cause of breathlessness).

This also started or seemed to start when I was getting my myers cocktail. I have had in the past shakiness and light headededness from myers in the past but not a low grade fever..???

It doesnt add up caused by myers or rife.

Thank you for any insights.

Spring.. I have a KMT that uses electrodes and it has settings for the ANS, meridian balance.. others. There are other machines out there that also address harmonizing the body, right? So seems possible.. ?? The KMT and LEDs are said to help raise ATP as well.. not sure how with the KMT, electrical stimulation?
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Spring, your mailbox is full!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
A fever can mean that now that some Lyme was damaged or killed, the immune system can now see the bacteria and is responding. There also are so many possible co-infections that it is impossible to say anything for sure, until you have eliminated most of them.

I have accidentally run into information on Tachycardia and quite a few people are saying either Magnesium or Potassium seems to either improve this condition or eliminate it entirely. But, these are not Lyme patients so there may be a difference.

I do not use detox frequencies, mostly because we have not needed them. I do not know that they do not work, or that they do work. I have not tried them to any degree. I am relying on your experiences to shed light on that.

What I am most skeptical of is Organ Balancing frequencies. First of all, what does that mean? And how would you measure if your organs are balanced or not? What are the symptoms of unbalanced organs?

As I said before, I am a natural skeptic. I do not rule anything out, but I do need some kind of reasonable way to measure if something works or not. Conveniently, I have no way to even define organ balancing, much less test to see if it can balance organs.

If someone can inform me on what this means and how it is defined, maybe it can be cleared up. Like I also have said, I do not know everything, and never will. But I will always be skeptical, if I have no possible way to test something.

Dan
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Dan, I'm really appreciate that you are skeptical, methodical and go by results. I am skeptical and have not had the nerve to try (rifing) until now, and still I am very nervous.

I did not see a diff using the KMT when using the lymph setting. I have noticed a diff from either B12 and or magnesium, glutathione with B12 shots, nasal glut, meyer's IV.

I don't understand how "they" have come up with any of the frequencies for anything beyond what Doug tested with his microscope and the more historical frequencies that were actually seen.

How did the rest of the frequencies, pathogen or detox support, etc come about?

Who "regulates" that?

Same for the DNA frequencies.

What if you rife, disable bugs then feel herxy but dont really kill off enough to make a difference? If that is possible, then you cant really judge progress by herxing (unless you get slammed, I guess).. ??

My concern is that my immune system cannot finish them off. What do you all do for that?

Robin
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think a functioning immune system is vitally important to any Lyme treatment. I still believe that the immune system does most of the work in eliminating slightly damaged bacteria. I do not think most of it just blows up. People will Herx in a matter of hours if that does happen.

I do not know how you go about building up your immune system, because I never had to deal with it. Low Dose Naltrexone is what i use to make my own immune system work more normally, and that is one option. I do think proper nutrition is important and lots of minerals, but beyond that, I do not know.

The frequencies are reported by people who have a lot of experience treating with frequencies. Of course the more people that report a given frequency for a condition, the more credibility it has. There are a few doctors that use this treatment, and they do report what has worked for them. Brian McInturf keeps the CAFL list and I am not sure what criteria he uses.

The CAFL list 676 Hz for H-Pylori and it has an asterisk by it. This means it has been used by many people for resolving this infection, including myself. It has credibility because it has been done repeatedly by different people.

I worry about people that have had Lyme for many years, and the ability to gain on the reproduction rate. I am concerned that it may be very difficult to get ahead of the curve in that situation. In that case in particular, it may be better to use antibiotics to kill as much as you can, and hopefully attenuate some of it to slow reproduction. And then try kill the rest off by other means.

That is just speculation, but a person can only take so much die off at a time, and there are plenty of examples of people who can't seem to get better no matter what treatment they use. These are the people I am worried about, because until that problem is resolved, they are not going to improve.

We need to figure out how to go about correcting that situation and what can help. Maybe the detox frequencies can do the job, but we do not know at this time.

Even a person who is in relatively good physical condition can pretty much count on six months of suffering before the frequency treatments bring some noticeable improvement.

The DNA frequencies are based on mathematical calculation based on the DNA sequencing of a pathogen, and the space between the genetic material. It is quite precise, and has worked often enough that I believe they are accurate.

Accurate just means that the DNA frequencies do impact the organism, but does not mean it will always damage it enough to eliminate it. I think it depends on the organism and the form it is in.

On the plus side, I am learning much more now, than prior to this thread. I am glad that others are reporting their results. Good or bad.

Dan
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Thank you, Dan. This is very helpful.

I am either herxing again tonight two days after treatment or flaring in the PM with a slight fever.

Its a little scary, actually. Its in my lungs, chest, upper back, neck, some head... ears even.. stuffy. Feel like I could pass out at times. I miss herxes (if thats what this is) that "just" feel like the flu.

I rifed in the PM and two days following have been achey and running a low grade fever in the two consequtive PMs (just 99ish but thats higher for me since I dont run a normal temp).

This is my second year after diagnosis. I was fucntional when diagnosed. Did OK for a year on abx and mepron for 6 months, followed by a busted gut and salt c for a summer. Then following that downhill to today.

I started a pulsed abx protocol 2 months ago based on Dr Js (NC now in DC) protocol. ABX MWF three weeks and one week off. I am wondering if I should continue that for a while. He has used this protocol for the last 3 years exclusively and it is modeled after his work with HIV patients. The pulsing helps the immune system plus takes into account the slow growth rate for Bb as well as the cyst form.

I had to take the third week off this second month because of inflammation in sinuses and brain.. that did go down in a week.. Due back on Monday and debating whether to do the pulsed protocol only for a while longer, rife or do both.

It does sound a bit like rifing, doesnt it?

I also wonder about following the rife session with silver or herb or abx. It would have to be pulsed. Rife then antimicrobial then off time to bring cysts back out.. ??
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
We did try pulsing with Cumanda, Samento and Rife, early on, but it did not seem to work too good for us. I ended up just using Frequency treatments.

I had no clue what I was doing then, so that could have been the problem.

The sinus frequencies have drained my wife's sinuses on more than one occasion. I also remember one time it did not work. You reminded me that this was a problem at one time.

Yeah, the results of both treatments sound similar, and really they should if both are doing something.

I have never used Silver, because I do not like its ability to kill all bacteria, good or bad. And I am not sure if it ever leaves the body, but I am no expert on it.

Do what your gut tells you is right. If it does not work, rethink it. It is not whether you make a mistake, everyone does. Use the mistakes to refine your treatment.

You are early into this, and you have better days ahead.

You will get there. You are determined, and that gives you the edge.

Dan
 
Posted by steelbone (Member # 14014) on :
 
this might be helpful to some- I dont know much about it- Someone sent it to me... just sharing

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/dp/human.shtml
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I'm rifing routinely now.

Thurs---29 min rife, herxish cleared after 32 hours
(i call it herxish because it's not too severe. All day Fri i'm wondering if it's herx or actively worse. By Fri eve i decided i was getting worse. But, gradually better, clear by Sat a.m. waking)

Sat--- 17 min rife, not much herxish . Rife was cut short because of sleepy, too late at night, knew i needed a longer session, so not much herx reaction.

Sun--- 27 min rife occuring 19 hours after previous session. Not much herxish yet. Stopped because brain felt warm full of plenty of radio waves, didn't want any more.

Consistent reactions, every time---

612 always feels happy, good, clears out my head.

Bartonella groups (CAFL list) always feels beneficial--- but i never tested positive for Bart, never treated for it, didn't have the obvious symptoms. I have wondered or suspected a couple of minor symptoms.

Babesia groups never gives me any feeling that it's doing anything. Yet i responded excellently to Mepron/Zith, twice,; i had what i thought were mild Babs symptoms; but tested negative for Babs three times.

So it's just a boring, standard, routine treatment mostly every day or so. My head gets warm and woozy and can't take more than a 30 min session.

I WENT OFF ANTIBIOTICS, for the time being at least, because the rifeing seems to be adequate treatment and i don't seem to need abx, for now at least. I just don't feel any need to take them.

Which is a MOMENTOUS MILESTONE for me after 5 1/2 years on abx!!!!!

I'm still on herbals though, what a pain, LOTS of herbs to take, and my gut candida isn't in good condition. Rifing for candida isn't working, probably because i don't put the plates on my abdomen where it counts.

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by liesandmorelies (Member # 15323) on :
 
^ have you thought about putting the plates on your abdomen or is it just too much of a pain.

How long have you been rifing regularly now? Thx!
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
R62 -- In regards to your 'sticky blood' comment. Have you ever been tested for hypocoagulation problems? Dr. C in MO, my old Dr, states that 90% of lyme patients test positive for this.

I was tested for it and did test positive. I took Heprain for 7 months. I am now on a natural blood thinner.

He states that treating the thick blood actually helps improve peoples pain and fatigue.

Also, in regards to your questions about your herx -- to me it sounds like a herx, but we all experience them differently.

I can relate to the heavy feeling in the chest, but I more relate this to my breathing & lungs. I think these bugs are hiding in there for me.

Well I am off for a rife session, I will post my schedule at the end of the week.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Robin.. I should have room in my Mailbox now. if you would like to PM me still.
: )
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
A note that i forgot to mention and just posted on the Fry bug thread.

I was told and I do do this as well.

I do any biofilm treatments I choose and respond to and then Rife about one hour after I take that treatment.

I did this with ABX treatment as well and was told that this works with Rife as well. Even though your not "supposed" to have to worry about biofilms with rife. I have read it and heard of this and ... well I do use it. I did not notice the huge difference as I did with abx. But I do notice it does help and provokes a bigger and different herx.

ALso it works most and best when I am rifing for protozoans.

Something to try out?
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Thanks, Dan for always being so helpful.

asummers... I probably should. Have had a fibrinogen test, but not the same. Good to hear you did well on heparin. Motivation for me to get tested. Thank you. I was wondering if they are in my lungs & sinuses and hoping this is die off. It is interesting that omnicef caused such a sever sinus inflammation that I had to go off of it early (on the pulsed protocol) and it is used for respiratory infections in addition to lyme. So hopefully hitting same thing with rife as with abx. It is yes breathing and lungs.

Is that the Hemex test?

Thanks, Spring.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I know there are frequencies for "Sticky Blood".

I also know that more than one person has looked under the microscope and verified that they work.

I cannot find these frequencies, but if anyone runs across them, please post them here.

I never thought to use them before, but this thread has brought up conditions that I do not normally think about.

Thanks for the discussion.

Dan
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Dan, I was looking through all my rife books and lists and didn't see anything on "sticky blood", hypocog or anything close.

I did notice something interesting hemobartinella felis. Freqs 603 & 957. I'm looking for freqs for myself and bart or BLO. History of + testing for coagulation.

Anyone familiar with hemobarinella felis?

Pam
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
R62--- Yes, you really should test for hypercoagulation!

My LLMD required that people have the "coagulation panel" blood test before going on any IV, because people who have genes for blood clots, like me and Tracy9, can't have PICC lines.

Ever since that test, i've been taking nattokinase, and am very happy with it. First i spent time reading a blood clot forum. There are more details, i;ve posted before.

I take high dose nattokinase, 10,000 FU's 3x/day w meals (that's (5) 100-mg pills per meal), plus smaller amounts on empty stomach once or twice; plus additional if symtpoms signal that i need more.

(Wrong thread, sorry to put it here)

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Here are some blood numbers I found online as possible options on the blood subject?

CAFL v2009-04-4 CAFL ASSOCIATION 2009

Blood Coagulation Disorders Cure: 35hz, 525hz, 675hz, 1.00Khz, 1.25Khz, 3.75Khz, 7.75Khz, 10.00Khz, 30.00Khz, 47.50,


Stimulate Normalized Blood Circulation 337 Hz
Stimulate Increased Blood Flow / Circulation 17 Hz

Red Blood Cell Production
Anemia is characterized by an insufficient number of red blood cells (RBCs). RBCs carry oxygen from the lungs to tissues throughout the body. All cells require oxygen to function.

Red blood cells originate in bone marrow as erythroblasts (a "blast" is a primitive cell that develops into a mature cell). Hemoglobin (Hb), a protein that binds to oxygen, is the main component of red blood cells. Once RBCs become filled with hemoglobin they enter the bloodstream as erythrocytes. Healthy hemoglobin holds the oxygen molecules with a precise degree of force. If it binds oxygen molecules in the lungs too loosely, it cannot hold onto them and carry them away. If it binds them too tightly, it cannot release them to tissues.

Red blood cell production is stimulated by the hormone erythropoietin (EPO), which is produced in the kidneys. If the kidneys fail to produce adequate EPO, anemia develops

Normalize Red Blood Cell Production 1524 Hz


White Blood Cell
White blood cells (also called leukocytes, pronounced: loo-kuh-sytes) are a key part of the body's system for defending itself against infection. They can move in and out of the bloodstream to reach affected tissues. The blood contains far fewer white blood cells than red cells, although the body can increase production of white blood cells to fight infection. There are several types of white blood cells, and their life spans vary from a few days to months. New cells are constantly being formed in the bone marrow.

Normalize White Blood Cell Production 1434 Hz

Found on this site along with some other frequencies collected
http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter232/index.htm
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Questions???

Hypocoag would be the sticky, thick blood. Hypercoag is thin blood? Those with vector borne illnesses, don't they tend to be hypocoag?

I don't believe I ever seen anyone post about hypercoag.

Pam
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Hyper coagulation is thick blood, Hypo coagulation is thin, non clotting blood.

Just for clarification.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Liesandmorelies---

Sorry i didn't write clearly! Certainly i should put the plates on my abdomen for candida rifing and plan to do so, just haven't got around to it.

I've been rifing for about a month.

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by bugabooboo (Member # 7383) on :
 
I have been using the EMEM5a from DT for almost 5 years. I still herx.

I got to a place where I could not take ATBs or much else really.

I feel much better than when I started but still have sx.

Bug
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Thanks Dan. I can't image me having something a** backwards or forgetting what I used to know? lol

Pam
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Wow! I didn't know that about not being allowed to have a picc line. I have FVL, so I am glad I couldn't afford IV's.

liz
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I'm re-evaluating the possibilities. It's a long complicated process deciding how to proceed with such a long term agenda.

I'm considering starting Tetracycline again, which always increases my health by 5-10%. Given I have almost 10 years of experience with this specific drug, and that it's cheap, I can discern results achieved using the Rife machine against the drug.

I'm very sick now, so If I attempt to Rife, chances are it may be too difficult. If I make a transition from the Tetracycline -- overlapping -- onto Rife, I can possibly avoid some needless suffering while still making adequate progress.

Dan, given I have the EMEM3D2, are the DNA frequencies worth having, whether I use them now or in the future? Also, if I missed it earlier, which site do I purchase them from?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think the DNA frequencies work best in the MHz range or higher. They may work at the highest frequency your machine can run. I never tested in between the three digit range and the MHz range.

I think for twenty bucks it is worth a try. I actually think the DNA frequencies may be the best chance of slowly eliminating the disease, when combined with the known effective regular frequencies. The DNA frequencies do not cause the nasty Herx that the other ones can cause.

If you order the DNA frequencies, ask for the free frequency conversion program.

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I wanted to let the people who are interested in on an upcoming device that will be avialable in April of this year.

Basically, this device is a M.O.P.A. transmitter that when used with the GB-4000 will duplicate exactly, to the best of our knowlege, Royal Rife's AZ-58 output, with proper use. Since it will broadcast frequencies about a half mile, you do have to be careful where you use it, not in an apartment in a city.

I will report more as I get more information, I feel comfortable disclosing. This does not neccesarily mean more effective Lyme treatment, as Rife never worked with Lyme, but I will be testing it, as it has the potential to be more effective.

What it does mean, is that Rife's Cancer treatment and work with other pathogens, should be able to be reproduced. The results remain to be seen, but I have no qualms about Rife's credibility. Of course, it is possible that an error in interpretation of his device has occured. But I doubt it. A lot was unravelled in the last couple of years thanks to some really good research by James and others.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan -- I am able to run the DNA frequencies on my DT EMEM5 or should I wait until I get my Ultimate B3?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can run them at a lower frequency, and then when you get the B-3 you can convert them up to a higher range using Char's frequency conversion program.

You won't have to buy them twice, as you can just step up the frequency.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan -- great, thanks!
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
OK. Rifed last wed and still running PM fevers, low grade 99s.. is this normal? One week later. No fever in day, just PM.

I also ended up in the ER. (20 sec on 612 with perl). Chest pains and shallow breathing.. would not go away. Md out of town. They were checking me for a blod clot in my lungs. CAT scan showed nothign remarkable. Left with a shot of toradol (for inflammation and pain).

later others confirmed to me that costrochrondritis can cause these kinds of symptoms. I could not tell if it was muscular, connective tissue or not because the pain was in my skin and felt like down into my lungs.. pressure on chest really bad.. shallow breathing even when sleeping.

I have to make appt with cardiologist. I also had heart palps and tachy.

I dont know if the rifing caused this, but it showed up a day after as did the fevers. I will not run that frequency again for that long next time.. if I have the nerve.

I have not been on any extended therapy herbal or abx for maybe 1.5 years.. so my load may be really high.. also wondering like metallic blue if I should go on abx to get load down and some in cyst form (not the pulsed protocol because that doesnt make the bugs go dormant so much ( I herxed full time on the pulsed protocol the weeks I was on and only taking MWF.. it was crazy... good but crazy as in no life the weeks on).

I am also on KPU and starting to dose up on methyl folates for methylation support (both of which will cause heavy metal dumping and have for me), so dont want to push the Bb die off.. just want some balance for now. I dont know how my liver and kidneys put up with all this.

Thanks for the hypercoagulation info. Did you all test with a regular lab or a speciality lab and can you tell me the name of the test(s)?

Thanks for looking up those codes, spring.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I see the heart problems crop up quite often when treating Lyme. My wife has had some of this sometimes during treatment, but mostly at any time during the day.

She does have a history of Heart Disease in her family, and that just confuses the issue.

She already takes Magnesium so I doubt it is a deficiency in this mineral. I may try some potassium as this can play a role also.

The Heart thing is worrisome, and we need to sort that out. I need to find a good doctor to test her heart. Not easy around here.

Dan
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
R62,

Those symptoms scream Babesia to me. Have you tried rifing for babs at all? I use 570, 20, 27 and 76 for Babs. The herx from rifing for babs is NOTHING like the herx from Lyme - I actually only felt better afterwards. Something you may want to look in to...
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
R62 -- I agree with LL28. Also the fact that you are on the KPU protocol and dumping heavy metals is interesting.

I have read that people can feel pretty awful on that treatment as their body is detoxing.

Maybe the rife in combination with KPU is too much for you right now.

And try the Babs numbers that LL28 gave you a little later.
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
It def manifested as costrochrondritis/Tietze's syndrome. And I wonder if babs can be a cause of that. I can feel where the third rib down at the cartilage is swollen.. which differentiates Tietze from costro. In fact, this was one of my very first symptoms.

I started enula for babs just in case. I have had other babs like symptoms like scary images and wicked neuro symptoms that I have heard associated with babs.

I had a flare this fall and now into winter so whatever it (all) is, needs addressing. How to balance that with KPU will be a challenge and I am not quite sure how.

I have not consistantly treated any of my infections for the last 1.5 years. This was after a digestive tract fall out after 6 months abx and 4 mepron. Then salt c for a summer and herbs on and off with a few short rounds of abx when symptoms flared badly. And this fall one, some decided to act up, again.

If anyone has ideas on how to balance keeping bugs under control while doing KPU, I would appreciate that. I am wondering if herbs at low doses might be best or rifing a very low time frames... like 5-10 seconds.. would that be a good or bad thing to do with the rife?
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Dan, I go see a cardiologist next week. I wil feel more comfortable with a work up. I also want to request a coagulation panel. After having several myers where the blood was so syrupy as it barely oozed its way down the tube.. and being so dark.. I know I need to check this out as well.

Last time at the clinic for myers Iv, the man across form me had the brightest flowing red blood.. and this shocked me. I saw what good blood is supposed to look like for the first time. I have no idea why he was getting a myers because his blood looked good.. oxygenated, flowing, clean. Mine has left sediment in the tube in the past..I am not sure if that is a terrible thing, but it sure did not look healthy to me.


I take natto and serrapeptase, but maybe not at high enough doses. I dont know how anyone can get well with sticky blood.. and sticky blood is a result of toxins and debris as well, I think.

Homocysteine levels (which can lead to heart issues) may be related to B12. There is a book called, Could It Be B12, that explains this. I am B12 deficient, so have been looking into this.

http://www.amazon.com/Could-Be-B12-Epidemic-Misdiagnoses/dp/1884956467
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
My heart symptoms (inappropriate sinus tachy. and neurocardiogenic syncope) were my 1st symptoms.

I have costochondritis, too, but it rarely bothers me now and not half as painful as originally.

As far as the blood work, mine was done through a reg. lab, but I heard that it was very expensive. My ins. did pay for it.

liz
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Please let us know what you find out. This is so common and yet I never had a solid explanation for it.

Dan
 
Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Dan,

do you know anything about this machine?

http://dougcoilmachine.com/technicalinfo.html
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Yes, it is made by a person who is reliable and actually makes very little off of the construction of the machine. About $300.00 for his work.

He does it to help anyone with Lyme. To build it yourself, the parts would be about $1,300.00 or more. I E-mailed him a long time ago, but when I suggested he could sell his plans for the machine, at a profit, he said he was not interested in making money off of them.

He is a straight shooter. I have a lot of respect for the guy.

If you are going to buy a Coil machine, this is place I would buy it from.

This must be his old site.

http://sites.google.com/site/coilmachines4less/coilmachines4less

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am trying something different tonight. The last few treatments have produced the same effects. A little sensation in the joints when running the DNA frequencies. Some slight effects when running 2016 Hz but not a lot of sensation.

I spent the whole day reading Jeff Garff's paper on Rife's various machines and what James Peters, Jason Ringas and whoever else was involved discovered. I had read it before, but I needed to refresh my memory. If anyone has not read it here, I highly recommend it.

The PFD file is here.

http://www.rife.de/history_of_rife_instruments.html

Anyway, I got the relationship of how the harmonics may have been important to the good results of the original machine. Also, how gating produces a de-ionization of the plasma tube, which also is likely important. So I applied this to the GB-4000 and the Syphilis frequency of 2016, which bears no relationship to any Syphilis frequency listed by Rife or Vern Thompson. That makes me wonder where it came from originally.

I made a harmonic program like my 612 Hz harmonic program only using 2016 for Syphilis.

Eight harmonics of 2016 running at the same time from the GB-4000 through the Rifelabs EMX with 75 Hz gating. It is producing a rather uncomfortable result with my wife, and I am going to run it a long time. The spine is getting a brunt of the reaction.

We will see what result this produces. Sooner or later, I will stumble onto something that will bust this disease for good. Either by accident or on purpose.

Dan
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Well,

I started having wicked neuro symtoms a few hours ago with intermittent stabbing head pain and pains shooting across my forehead. This weird depression came over me a while later so I broke out my machine and zapped myself good.

I rifed for thirty minutes then let my machine cool down and did another thirty minutes for a total of an hour - this is the longest I have EVER rifed.

I ran 20, 27, 432, 864, 832, 800, 612, 1224 and finished with 10k. My head pain got worse as I rifed and is still bothering me now.

Want to add that I started my period yesterday - always coincides with worsening symptoms for me. Dan, have you noticed this with your wife? Just curious.

Anyhoo, I expect I'll have a doozy of a herx, but bring it on. I'm ready to be done with this sh**.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
She had early menopause, which is a family trait, for lack of a better term.

I am sure the shift in Hormones is not going to make it better. It doesn't seem to make the average non-Lyme woman feel any better.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan -- I admire your thoroughness and dedication to research. With my brain fog, I am lucky I punch in the right frequency numbers on the rife.

LL28 -- I am curious to hear how you felt after your rife session. I seem to have a flare up in herx like symptoms when ovulating & during my period.

I think I might be over rifing again, but like you, I just want to be done with this sh**.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
I'm feeling much better today - my typical "symptom clearing" before the herx sets in. I'm enjoying it for now!
 
Posted by sammy1 (Member # 12754) on :
 
dan-
when you do a harmonics program of 2016 do you just keep multiplying 2016 times 2 and then again that answer times 2?

i want to do this on my gb4000....thx so much
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Yes, times two, but since the GB can only run eight frequencies at a time up to a certain range, you also have to divide 2016 by two so you can get all eight to run at a time.

I am not at home right now, and I do not rememeber the limit, but it is in the GB book under creating autoprograms.

Start at the upper limit and work your way down until you get eight.

Run the gating also. My machine only goes up to 75 Hz gting but 1,000 woud be better, if your machine will go that high.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi all.
I have been away dealing with family and friends and just getting off IVs and Recovering from hospital stays etc.

I how have been off IV abx for a good two weeks.

Whew.
I am pretty happy about it and feel a sense of freedom. I forgot how it felt not to be hooked up all day to that pool and that tubing etc.

I was prescribed plaquenil and minocycline forward and have been doing 3 days a week of Mino and every day of Plaquenil for now.

I do not want to HERX so I want to take it slow ..

I am done with Big Herxes >. I DECIDED that 100 percent now.

So I broke through that STUCK wall and NOw I am ready to move on forward. I was so stuck and bedridden so much and so SICK feeling .. I was ready to end it all. I was.

I now have some hope forward and I have to come up with a new schedule of Rife that is gentle yet consistent and I have enough Rife experience now that I feel I can plan that out more specifically now.

Thank you for all your support.

I have not been on the site much lately and I think that is a good sign.. because I was on mostly when I was laying in bed sick. I also have not been on my lap top much anymore either and another good thing since I used it because I could from the bed... Ick

My thoughts are with all of you though.. and I have read through and seem some good news from many..

Keep ON keeping on.

I will come share my protocol after a few weeks..

I am losing my house and have to figure out how to get help to move .. its too much for me.. but I have friends and family who ..might be able to help.. I hope so..

Keep on . sharing.. I am learning alot still even though I do not post so much lately I have read over the experiences and numbers and your protocols on rife. This thread has become very valuable!!!

Thank you ALL of you!!!

Blessings..
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Sorry about losing your house. That is a bummer.

I am glad you are in better spirits, and any plan is better than no plan. I hope it goes well for you.

I think you will improve more, but you know how slow that can be. I see people that seem to have a better attitude if nothing else. that can help a lot.

We will figure this out, I have not had a complete failure yet, and I can see we have a very savvy group here that can get the job done.

I am about done running the 2016 harmonics autoprogram. I am running it for one hour. A reaction to treatment, but less than yesterday. She had no symptoms or pain today from last nights treatment.

I do not think we are that far from eliminating it. Maybe it is just optimism, but we have reduced it further in the last few weeks. That much I am pretty certain of.

If this does not eliminate it, I will have a brand new carrier wave plasma device in couple months, that I hope will deal the death blow.

Dan
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Awww Summers, I'm so sorry about your house. Sometimes the burden of things does seem too much to bear...but you have such a wonderful attitude and spirit about you that I have no doubt that you will prevail and come out on the other side of all this healthy and whole.

And Dan is right - this is a very saavy group and together we'll find a way out of this mess!
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
So which frequencies did we decide were appropriate for


I'm also curious what type of water filtration system people are using while doing Rife therapy. It has been recommended I buy a Water Inonizer Filtration system, but they cost well over the amount of money I have.

I see a good system for Distilling water. It's called the Mini-Classic II Stainless Steel Steam Distiller - Pure Water

Anyone know anything about that? What are your thoughts?

[ 02-13-2010, 01:45 PM: Message edited by: METALLlC BLUE ]
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Using the GB-4000 attached to the Rife Labs EMX
I ran the 2016 Harmonic program for one hour last night. She could feel it, but it "was nothing like last night" in her own words.

I speculated that the 2016 frequency might only hit some of the Lyme, and possibly a sweep would hit more, so I ran the same frequencies in Channel Sweep mode, and it produced a more pronounced reaction, more than the first run, but not as much as the previous night. I ran this for one hour also.

She said spine and ankles were sore after the treatment, but by morning she only had a little soreness in the spine.

The first treatment, the previous night, produced more reaction than the second, and the Channel Sweep mode produced a reaction in between the two. No one else present had any reaction to the frequencies.

If memory serves me correctly, the Channel Sweep mode varies the frequency five Hz above and below the selected frequencies.

Dan
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Is everyone on here using the same or a dfferent kind of machine?
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Different ones are being used.

liz
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
What do you all think

I have been rotating various programs that are for
General - Lyme Parasites Viruses Mold Fungus
Specifics - Syphillis Malaria Toxoplasmosis
Immune support - Cleanses organ supports, well being, pain etc

I have been rotating the generals and specifics but not concnetrating on one or another so much for fear of things having time to "come back at me".
I rife 3 x week and it takes me two weeks to get through all that i want to get through. I always do the cleansing and organ supports after each treatment. But the other things I do 1 to 3 things each treamtent.

At the end of those two weeks i do it again.

I was thinking maybe I should concentrate more on one thing now. At least one items if not one frequency. Most of all my items are programs that include about 5 to 10 frequencies of 3 minutes each.

I recently started to increase the 3 minutes depending on how I am responding to them.

If anyone has any suggestions that I should maybe not worry so much and stick with one thing and for how long?? or always keep some of the others on board but at just the levels I have gotten to?

I have not been herxing as badly as I used to. So i know I need to somewhat move on. Not sure if I should increase all i have been doing or like I said concentrate on one or two things instead of like the 8 I have been working on ....

I have read that many who try to treat too many things at one time do not do as well as those who choose just one or two and then move on to the others?

Are there some bugs that come back faster than others? I heard things like babesia and parasites can come back at you faster that lyme. Does anyone know more about this concept? I have not had time to read more of my book by N. Sylver and if others who have read it maybe she gives this advice in there?

Thanks all
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Do you know for certain what you have besides Lyme?

I do not know your history as far as testing and such.

Dan
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Well, I finally Rifed! I did 2016 for 2 mins.

Do I wait to see if I herx or can I rife for other things now?

liz
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Liz -- IMO, I would wait 2-3 days to rife for other things. You want to see if you have a herx reaction or any reaction for that matter to the frequenciy 2016.

If you rife for other things, you will not know which frequency is causing a reaction.

It can be slow in the beginning, but you need to know what provokes reactions so that way you aren't wasting your time running frequencies that don't help you.

I can herx anywhere from 24-48 after a rife session.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
SS -- so sorry to hear that you are going thru a hard time right now. When it rains, it pours. Just know if you ever need support or to vent, you know where to find us!

You ask some great questions in your second post and I am not sure if I have the answer for you. I think it is great that your herx's are less on certain frequencies. That's great news.

At this point do you increase the ammount of time on these frequencies or rife more frequently...aahhh. This is the fustrating part of rife (for me). This is when I feel I am rifing blindly.

I do know that the Babs & Parasites do replicate more frequently than lyme. I was told to rife twice a week for Babs & Parasites.

I don't have Sylver's book, and not sure what Rosner says either.

I would probably pick two or three things to rife for and increase the time & frequency if my herx is getting less & less. I would continue with the detox frequencies and not count them as my frequencies.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I'm doing longer sessions, and getting different reactions--- i don't know what it means.

On Fri i did 34 min, longer than before, then today i did 43 min, longest ever.

I put the foot plates on my abdomen, for gut candida, and did 10 min on 464 , the candida frx-- but felt NOTHING at all.

I did 5 min on 612 and 5 min on 2016,--- but felt NOTHING, no head reaction like before.

At the end of the session i was getting woozy on channel #589 for Filarial worms, frx: 112 120 1200 332 753 and several Fungus channels: frx 823 824 825 826 827 828 829,
and 943 886 866 1550 784 7870 72 254 422 582 1016 1134 1153 2222 594 880 8450 803 8300 728 7270 20 2644 634 854 776 7660 464
and 414 254 344 2411 321 555 942 337 766 1823 524 374 743 132 866 158 512 623 774 222 565 592 623 745 933 1130 1155 1333 1833 4442.

I don't know if feeling woozy was because it was at the end of the session, an accumulated reaction, or because of the particular targets.

Afterwards i was woozy and eyes felt bleary, a bit exhausted.

There's a big difference, how i feel after a rife session: an OVERALL SMOOTH feeling of wooziness in the head. My usual head feeling is of one DISPARATE DISCRETE symptom at a time popping up here and there, only ONE at a time, in ONE spot at a time.---But PS, i do also get thick overall forehead fog and a uniform head pressure increase.

In my early treatment, i thought it showed the bugs MUST be COMMUNICATING, because
first the right eye would go off, then the left eye (e.g.), but NEVER both together!

I'm so sorry about Spring! What will Spring do now?

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 02-15-2010, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks all

dan. I have tested positive for most all of the typical stuff.. Lyme Babesia Bartonella Echliriosis
Anaplasma HHV CMV EBV Mycoplasma Candida Valley Fever Toxoplasmosis Fry Bug 1 and Fry Bug 2Sorry for spelling errors.. I am tired.

So. though.. Through follow up tests a lot of the numbers have gone down enough for me to worry most about lyme and fry bugs... and then viruses and possible candida fungal stuff....


So.... I think i will be sticking with what i have been doing but still got to think about how to increase without having to do Hours... each time I rife..

Oh... well. hey..

Thanks for the kind words and saying i can come vent or talk any time. It means the world to me!1

HUGS

Blessings

Same here.. I am here for all of you and you can PM me anytime... : )
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Candida treatment, which was putting footplates on abdomen last night on 464 for 10 min --- seems to have worked! Somewhat at least. Or any of the other things i was rifing for --- something helped.

This morning belly was flat and hard! That's not usual. Often some distension of intestines makes jogging slower and uncomfortable. Usually there's some extra area or volume that the candida adds.

---Polly Polygonum
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
One thing that is NOT improving is toenail fungus.

Does anyone else have it? In fact it is getting worse. And the toes are closest to the frequency source.

Last night i tried a minute each on Hulda Clark's Onychomycosis frequencies 35,000 and 20,000. I've done some of her lower frequencies a bit previously; never noticed improvement.

After rifing, the toes were redder and bumpier than ever with new swellings. In fact, the redness and swollen bumps have increased coinciding with rifing; which of course does not indicate causality--- but what does it mean?

(i do also put the vinegar and hydrogen peroxide on the toes; i stopped putting geranium essential oil on the toenails, because the essential oils are so strong, they might eat up the cloth covers on the footplates, or just get everywhere and cause a mess. Still, the toes are pretty bad so i'll have to employ essential oils.)

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Do you rotate in front of the machine over time? For example, sit facing it for a few cycles, then back facing it, then side (left and then right?)
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Pam, I have no idea! I wish I had some good advice but I'm not sure about the fungus thing. As far as reacting differently now to your machine - this is very common and this is when it gets confusing.

For me, I would rife and have the same pattern for months - then it would do a 180. This is when you need your intuition more than ever.

Metallic, Yes, I do rotate in front of my machine exactly as you just described. Since I have an EMEM, it doesn't have plates or wands and I feel it helps get everywhere by turning in different directions. Don't know if it truly makes a difference but it makes me feel better [Smile]
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Oh - and sometimes I rest my forehead against the bulb of my machine when running frequencies - especially if I'm having bad neuro symtoms.
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I just checked out one of my toes today, because there was something different about the nail. The nail is kind of bent and it's thick. I am assuming it is a fungus. Yuck, just what I need. [Roll Eyes]

Is this from Lyme? I thought getting Lyme treated I wasn't supposed to get anything else from it.

I'll have to check to see if there is a frx for it for the EMEM.

liz
 
Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Dan, thank you for the info on the coil machine.

I emailed him and he will make a machine for me. He seems very nice.

BTW, Your input on this thread is invaluable! Thanks for all you do!
 
Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
I've ordered a coil machine but won't have a clue about what to do with it.

Book ideas, anyone?
 
Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
And Dan, you should write a book on rife. [Smile]
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
MB & LL28 -- I have an EMEM5a and I NEVER thought to rotate my position when sitting in front of it. Thanks for the idea.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
For Book Suggestion>> i have the One called the "rife handbook" by Nehah Sylver. Very Good and complete!!

I would love to hear how to treat toenail fungus. I have had trouble for years. I recently gave up on natural things and begged my doc for lamasil pills. It took a year and I am now Near Rid of it.. It is so hard to keep under control for some reason..

WE took me off the lamasil and Valtrex to give my body a break and live etc.. Glad for it but have a fear of it coming back..

So if you find frequencies or know of ones that work or are working for you.. Please post them

Thanks so much all

Blessings
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
PS
I found a program for Nail Fungus in My Booklet that came with my BCX machine and I think this could be a good test to try to use it to see if it will keep it under control and rid those last amounts... I have a few more months of growth to outgrow it if it is killed..

The issues is that after my IV abx that I did for 5 months I noticed in the end my hair and nails stopped growing at all. I was getting really toxic but at the same time I think i was killing a lot of stuff.

Its a real tight balance when doing IV abx....

I have tried Tea Tree Oil and GrapeSeed Extrat Oil and Lamasil Creams and Bleach and Lactic Acid and anything else I could find that was anti infective in my medicine cabinet.. that was topical.. and.. I would soak my feet in salt baths and sometimes with bleach too..

I think that nail fungus is not just in the nail but in your blood stream.. That is what it think and it is not easy to treat topically..

Rife should work..

Not sure what it takes though or how much or how long or what frequencies..
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Here is the numbers in my booklet from the BCX

Nail Fungus - Program 612 644 766 1000 190 465

Fungus Infection - 465 1550 2127 942 880 802 788 727 543 474 412 220 310 361 160 73 20
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
It sounds like with rife if you have all the frequencies, one could eventually become invincible and possibly immortal!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Boy Seek.. Your sarcastic in so many threads..

Are you doing ok. you sound like you have had it with everything and just go around writing this or that in that same tone on various threads.

What do you feel your contributing? Just curios. And maybe you might want to rethink your approach?

Everyone is trying to do the same thing and that is to get better and help one another along the way.

Wishing you the best.

Blessings.
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
If this thread bothered me or any other thread....I do believe I just wouldn't open it.

Pam
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dog... YOu might want to search under eye problems and after reading through a few and having this problem and problems myself over the years during treatment of various kinds... I would say that most of the time it seems that people get the eye syptoms when they have a high load of bugs or of a parasite bug.
I had that sort of thing happen the most when using treatments for parasites like babesia and the fry bug and when I was on anti protozoan meds.
So far during rife I have noticed the blurry vision thing but not the aching red eyes and behind the eyes. But also I have gotten my loads much futher down.
Just and idea and you may want to search other thread as There have been quite a few on this subject..
I would say it is not related to Rife but the treatmnent and your conditions themselves..

I Looked up 2112 and 570 after I wrote this to you and 2112 shows up under two catagories of parasites and 570 for babesia.

Just an ideas about it..
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hello all.
I have a question ..

What is the longest Rife Session you have done or heard of people doing?

Also what is the longest on one frequency that you have done or heard of people doing?

I am trying to get a guage on that subject...

Thanks
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have just recently run my 2016 Lyme harmonic program for a hour long run, followed by the same autoprogram in channel sweep mode which varies the frequencies 5 Hz above and below the programmed frequencies. I ran this for two hours.

This followed a similar run the previous night.

The result was a Herx, which is quite unusual at this stage of the game, as my wife has little Lyme left, and what is left is buried on the joints or maybe even in bone.

I am waiting for more information as I initially was not sure if the reaction was due to Lyme conversion to spirochete form, or die off.

If it would have been conversion her symptoms would have gotten worse. Since the reaction is getting better with time, it appears to be a big die off. I am still waiting to confirm this, but in order to do that, I need to run the same program again to see if the reaction is less.

I also need to let her clear all the way before I can test it again.

If the reaction is less, then I think I may be able to say, I have cracked this disease, but that is only speculation at this point. I will confirm with time.

I do not recommend anyone that is a typical Lyme patient try this long run, and you must be careful if you even try duplicate this protocol.

I think it is possible, but not known at this time, that this way of running this one frequency may have the potential of eliminating all Lyme given a long enough run time.

If that does turn out to be the case, I can foresee someone rashly going into a long treatment trying to kill all the Lyme at once.

This could result in severe illness and possibly death in a weakened, high bacterial load person.

The last thing I want to see is a death due to massive, unprecedented die off. It will set us back ten years, and we do not want a death or even a severe reaction associated with this method.

I do not know that this is the case, but I do not want someone to try prove it either.

I need more time, and I will be able to say with 90% certainty, one way or another. So don't get your hopes up.

I will post more later as I can decipher more information, based on future results.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Last night i did 53 min, including 5 min each on 612 and 2016, and candida, fungi, bartonella, etc.

I was too sleepy to keep count or notice reactions; i didn't know i was going so long. Afterwards my head felt a bit stunned. I thought i rifed too long this time; expected a big herx day.

But--- all day i've had comparatively few symptoms! far fewer than usual! and no herx, yet.

So maybe overdoing it was the right treatment this time!

------
I'd certainly like to try Dan's program eventually, in about a year?
----
J-Dog, that is scary. We do need a rife teacher. Do you have a good ophthalmologist? Does Nenah Sylver's book say anything about it?

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The protocol I am using is applying what was found to be possibly important concerning how Rife used his treatment.

Four Factors are involved, one I have not addresed yet.

Harmonics:

Frequency variation:

Gating:

Power level: (Penetration)

Rife's original machines and the Hoyland model put out so many harmonics, in the RF range it would literally be impossible to use the same machine today. It could possibly destroy or damage virtually any electronic remote, cell phone or any other electronic device.

Later models, that were built to comply with FCC regulations due to AM radio and other RF uses never worked as well. The lower frequencies did not work as well, and they were prohibited to using the prior, effective method. They also reduced the power level.

Harmonics appear to be important. When I run 2016 with seven other harmonics through the tube I get more reaction that running 2016 alone.

Frequency variation:

One thing that has come to light recently is that Rife never used a single frequency to treat anything. He swept the MOR he had identified. Partly because he could not reliably hit the same frequency with the old equipment he was using.

The other part is that there could be variation between some pathogens within the species.

When I run Channel sweep mode, I get more reaction than when I run the straight 2016 harmonic. I am assuming at this time that more Lyme is being hit and killed. There is the possibility I am hitting some other pathogen also, but that does not negate the effect on Lyme.

Gating:

Rife always gated his frequencies, in his early machines. This allowed Plasma deionization, and a spike in the power, to putit simply.

I am not sure how much role this plays at this time.

Power:

Rife had fifty watts of power out of the tube more or less. We do not have that much power out of any commonly used Rife inspired device at this time. I am fairly certain this is hampering my ability to kill Lyme deep in the joints.

I also think I may be able to overcome this by running longer sessions, but am not sure at this time.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
HI Dan
Thats great news and Glad you feel you have hit a spot of new progress and hope..

I feel great because I think it was this thread that brought about the ideas of that number frequeny from digging deep into some of the websites and fining other peoples experiences and ideas as well that were somewhat like this one..
People brainstorming and writing down numbers and how it worked for them and why they used it and how they used it.

So it is coming full circle. How cool.

Now.. That Said.. I have been doing longer and longer treatment times and I agree you can not just jump in and do and hour...

My machine runs sweeps. But what I am not familiar with is how to do harmonics. ADo you make those up yourself and program in?

I am a bit confused on that?

Let me know when you get a chance.

Thanks

My machine will run a program and times it for me. I can sit and watch as each frequency changes from one to the other and that really helps me see which frequencies I am reacting to or how I am reacting during treatment.

Killing bugs is a zapping feeling and the detox and organ supports are just calm and nice.. or some tingling around the liver or kidneys. > Pretty neat..
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I have a DT EMEM machine. I can only run it for 30 minutes before I have to turn if off to cool down. Maybe I run 30 minutes in the morning and 30 minutes at night. The morning session could be targeting lyme/co infections & the evening could be detox/support.

This will allow me to run longer frequencies.

Thanks for the idea
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan

If you happen to have a chance can you look at this page that has my machines specs and info about Sweeps and Gates and Such.. THe first parapgraph tries to compare what Rife was doing and showing how my machine compares etc.

The default settings on my machine already incorporate sweeping and gating and some other things that I have control over but was told to leave alone if I do not know what and why I would change it.

So far I have not had time to play around or figure it all out but I plan to.

Any ideas on what I first should look at as a option to "tinker" with of the options I have?/

I know its kinda asking a lot.. So if you cant I understand!

Thanks

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:zVSjMQokxDsJ:hymbas.com/doc/NEW_BCXULTRA_BROCHURE.pdf+BCX+Ultra+and+watts&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
If that page is hard to read

Here is the google search that shows it as the TOP download of PDF THe view I first sent does not show the graphics and graphs etc

http://www.google.com/search?q=BCX+Ultra+and+watts&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Where's R62?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If the gate feature is automatically on, you do not have to change that.

The GB-4000 has the ability to run eight frequencies at one time. I do not think many other models run more than two or three at a time, and one of them is usually the carrier wave, that you generally leave alone.

The GB can run eight besides the carrier.

The Harmonics autoprogram is based on the frequency 2016 and the frequency is either doubled of halved up to the limit of the machine.

So some of the frequencies are 2016, 4016, 8032, 16640, and so on. Some are also lower than 2016.

When you run a single frequency through a tube device it automatically produces harmonics. I am just really pushing the effect by having harmonics run right from the machine, into the tube. Then the tube produces even more harmonics.

On the BCX, you can get some of the same effect by using a triangle wave form. At least in theory. You can try it out and see if you get any different results.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I did 464 again, the Candida frequency, with the footplates on my abdomen, 10 min, (no other fungi or candida channels) and my belly is flat again, in spite of eating chocolate.

This really seems to be working! It's the miracle cure i need!

If only something would work on the toenail fungus. I haven't tried your frx yet, spring. I'm going to try Sanum homeopathics that Selma used for her fungi.

PS, later, i tried your frx, spring, and again the toes got red, bumpy, and worse. The frequencies irritate the fungus, but do they cure it or harm it at all? I see no signs of that.

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 02-18-2010, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Polly. thats amazing you get such a response from rife on your toes?? How odd.

I have not had such a thing happen to me.

THis week I tried something new.. I did two days in a row. I was getting up there in the amount of time I was doing each session and not really feeling any herxes etc.

IT took 48 hours but I am feeling it now..

I Think I have cleared so much out lately that it is taking more and more to get a herx of any kind.
I do not want big herxes believe me...nor do I think it is good to get big herxes..

But I figure I should push it til I feel a little bit of something..

SO not sure if I should go back and just do longer and longer.. Or try two days in a row and wait it out again... and repeat that for awhile.


I am finding the Fungal / Mold program helps me along with detox.. and is a "good" feeling.

I have two catagories it seems.

Feel good ones - Support and detox
and
Feel bad ones - Killers

I like the first ones better and find I have to run them after or along with my second Killer category to support my body fully and so I can handle those toxins..

I can tell the difference big time if I skip those. ... do the rest of you notice this sort of difference.

When I first got my rife that is all I did was organ support and detox because I was afraid of the darn machine!! LOL

And I then slowly started adding in the killer frequencies.. and this process has really worked out for me. ANd that balance is now so important and I can not skip it..
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Well, speaking of big herxes I think I waaay over did it last week by treating for an hour. I started herxing Sunday and it hasn't let up yet. I slept for about 23 hours straight and I'm still so tired that I can barely function. Not to mention the headache that won't quit along with the body aches. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day....
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi I hope you feel better.

I am up to treating for up to two hours total. One in killing and one in supporting...

At least.. Even longer. That is why I went to two days in a row. It seemed that I was no longer hitting anything..
I also threw in some new numbers and ideas and did 15 minutes straight of 2016 on the 2nd day. So I guess I will have to figure out if it was that or the two days. I probably should not have mixed it up when doing the two days in a row and next time I wont. SO I can tell what happened.

That is where consistancy and tracking are important but sometimes we get anxious and tired and do not want to do it..

I am sure you can relate..

: )
Take it easy and feel better.
I just took a shower and back to bed too. for me to watch the olympics and take it easy!!
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
J- dog - are your eyes better now? I hope so - that is scary!

tickbattler
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Yes.. Give us an update.

I did not do Rife at the time I had all the eye symptoms since I got through all that on a toxo med. But i will say during the treatment the eyes got really scary and so did my brain and head. It took two months or so and then it cleared up..

I hope it is just that they are trying to escape and causing the problems with what your feeling and seeing..

I hope so..

But its all hard to tell.and know....
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Let us know what they find out about the eye problem. This is kind of a scary symptom, and I hope they can diagnose it quickly.

I ran the 2016 Hz Lyme harmonic program last night and it had no effect as far as sensation or Herx reaction.

I ran the same program again for another hour in channel sweep mode and it produces a moderate reaction but no Herx yet.

The plan is to run 2016 harmonic program in sweep mode until it produces no effect. I am also going to run 612 Hz harmonic program in channel sweep mode and see if it gets any reaction.

I will also try the DNA frequencies and see if they produce a reaction.

When all of these fail to produce any reaction, I am going to treat for one more month, and that is it.

Then I will wait and see if it is gone for good, or if it has failed to get rid of all of the Lyme.

It should not take very long to know one way or the other. She never goes long without treatment, before the symptoms start coming back.

I think I am probably looking at the end of April as the time when I will be done. It depends on her reaction or rather lack of reaction.

Dan
 
Posted by smileyz53 (Member # 24204) on :
 
Hi all,
I need a little help. My husband has had Lyme for 8 years. Our chiropractor gave us his energy wellness rife to try. today we are on schedule to rife for lyme after doing a detox

this machine has codes that run with the frequency
I cannot turn the time down less than 1 minute
so the total time for a session would be 15 minutes or more for the first time out wouldn't this be to long

I'm a bit nervous about over doing the time and treatment
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Yes, it is too long.

I would run it for no more than two minutes the first time out.

There is no point in risking a real bad Herx.

Dan
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I have extremely interesting news for everyone. My girlfriend purchased a Bionic 880 and it will be arriving on my doorstep this Monday (2 days from now).

I know almost nothing about it, but I've heard so much chatter lately from members.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Wow Metallic, how exciting....It guess it's time to do some research!

Keep us posted!

By the way, have you tried rife yet?

tickbattler
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am interested in what the Bionic can do. Please keep us posted.

Dan
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
Be careful MB. GiGi said it's a deadly weapon if not used properly. I hope it helps. I recall she stated it put her husband from walking into a wheelchair from overuse. Now, AI seems to be the way to go first.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Are you reading the forum at

/health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bionic880-PE1/

What they say there is, do not use it alone, but with homeopathic nosodes.

They say it is much too strong alone, especially since you are so sick. They say you need the nosodes for a specific, limited, directed attack on whatever pathogen the nosodes represent.

People who have been treated well and aren't very sick, can make nosodes from their own blood. However, sick people like you should not do this.

Here's a quote:
QUOTE
To:
bionic880-PE1@yahoogroups.com
I was told to absolutely NOT start with your blood. It's simply too powerful. I've been going to see someone for almost six months and only in the last two weeks was I testing ok for doing the Bionic at 25% power with Biopure Lyme and co-infection nosodes. Doing the blood nosodes could also really mess up your regulation pathways if your body is not ready for it from what my doctor told me. You have to go slow and really need to be working with someone who can do ART to see what your body is ready for unless you're very good with a biotensor and have a good intuitive sense for healing.

UNQUOTE

By the way, i'll soon be getting a PE-1. One fellow in that forum does rife one week and PE-1 the next! I don't think they're compatible to do both at once--- is that right?

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
SO Blue.. Was it just a surprise ?

For you?

What will you do? Dont you have two rife machines now? Have you been using them at all?

Thats a lot of machines..

Let us know how it goes.

I might be wrong about what I said about you having two rife machines.. but that is just what I somehow remember you saying..
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Hey guys -- question -- for the frequencies all posted here -- do these apply to all machines we are discussing or not? Mine is EMEM DT and I don't have it yet.
I'm looking for frequencies for the Fry mystery bug, bartonella spp, and mycoplasmas in particular.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
CD57--- i've been doing a Bartonella channel from the CAFL list, which seems to give me the feeling that i think it's working: frx:

364 379 645 654 786 840 842 844 846 848 850 857 967 6878 634 696 716 1518--- however, i run that as groups on a GB-4000; i think the EMEM doesn't do groups. It would take a lot of time to run all those separately. But Dan says the EMEM adds its own harmonics, which the GB-4000 doesn't do.

Springshowers says 72 and 120 for Fry Labs mystery bug. I didn't get a reaction to those, yet i did get a photo from Fry Labs showing a ring-form in or on a red blood cell.

----

I wasn't feeling a reaction to 612 or 2016 recently, so i started doing sweeps. I've done that several times and i do feel reactions to those. I'm doing sweep 611-613, and sweep 2015-2017.
----

I have information for R62 about hypercoagulation--- too bad she's incommunicado--- what happened to her?

On p 353 of Nenah Sylver's book, she quotes Dr Richard Loyd saying that treatment with an F-Scan, often at 62,000 Hz and 63,000 Hz, cleaned up hypercoagulation in the blood so that the RBC under a microscope weren't all clumping together.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by tick battler:
Wow Metallic, how exciting....It guess it's time to do some research!

Keep us posted!

By the way, have you tried rife yet?

tickbattler

I still have not. I'm finishing up loose ends.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by springshowers:
[b] SO Blue.. Was it just a surprise ?

For you?

It was surprising, but it isn't for me. It's for my girlfriend. Indirectly it's a potential option to consider. I still plan on pursuing Rife until further notice.

quote:

What will you do? Dont you have two rife machines now? Have you been using them at all?

I own one, an EMEM3D2, and my girlfriend owns the Pulsed Technologies contact device. Now the Bionic will arrive shortly.

quote:

Thats a lot of machines..

Let us know how it goes.

I might be wrong about what I said about you having two rife machines.. but that is just what I somehow remember you saying.. [/qb]

S'ok, I share these machines to "some" degree when Erica visits.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
All of the frequency machines being discussed here are essentially the same as far as frequencies that are used.

They operate off of the same principle, so the same frequencies are interchangeable between different brands of machines.

It is my opinion from using quite a few different Lyme frequencies, that 2016 Hz is probably the only frequency needed for Lyme. It should be one of the frequencies used for sure. There still could be an even better one, so I have no problem with using others, but 2016 is the best I have used so far.

I used to recommend 612 Hz and it still does kill Spirochetes very well, but 2016 Hx appears to kill everything 612 Hz does and more.

2016 does need to be run in a sweep also. My best guess at this time is 5 Hz above and below 2016. It has become apparent that the Lyme exists in a range, and this sweep does hit Lyme from my experience.

Without this thread, I may have never found that 2016 Hz was such a critical frequency. Thank you all for that. It has been extremely important in my results.

Those with a GB-4000 should consider programming a Harmonic autoprogram as I have described earlier and start with short run times, working up to longer ones.

I have made a great deal of progress using this method for a month. Far more than in the past year. The harmonic autoprogram should use gating and be run in the channel sweep mode for best results. I do not think the gating rate is too important, but I have been using 75, only because it is as high as my machine will go. Newer models go higher.

The Bionic is a whole different technology, but that operates off of light frequency. Not directly related to Rife inspired devices, but some of the effects could overlap.

This thread has been what I needed to break through previous barriers. I really do appreciate it.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dad

Wow thats a huge statement and wonderful to hear that you have made more progreass in the past month than in the whole past year!!

Thats so great..

I think that this thread has become quite a collection and it is still growing.

I so encourage everyone to keep on posting and adding your specific trials and ideas and responses.. good or bad..

its all a learning experience and I have learned from all of you as well.. ....

Also .. posting any other resources and sites.

The 2016 came from reading on another site and then I posted some of those links and quotes here.

If it were not for Dans experience and his new trials and posting then that information might have just been gone on by. I am too new myself to always grab onto information that I myself even come across.

So another great point as to why working together on this site is a great resource.

I have noticed as I read through this thread that of course we all react to different things differently. Of course we have different bodies and different loads in types and amounts.

But the basic trails for LYME and its CO INFECTIONS I have not found anywhere else on the net. If anyone has any other resources of lyme patients trying to rife and sharing that would be great if those sites were shared as well.

I was asked recently and I only know of the rife forum and it is not lyme specific even though there are a couple lyme people there.

Thanks everyone..

Keep on...
 
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
 
Rife is amazing.

My dog had ear mites. Took her to the vet, we put meds in her ears for almost a month. The mites came back a few weeks after stopping the medication, she started to lose hair around her right eye this time and it was progressing rapidly. She was shaking her head constantly which indicates that she had the ear mites again.

We decided to use rife to see if we could get rid of them. I've been using rife on her for 20 minutes every 3 days for about 3 weeks and she no longer shakes her head and the hair is coming back around her eye. I'm using 970 via muscle testing. We weren't using anything else to deal with the mites except rife.

For mycoplasma for myself, my herbalist tested these frequencies.
19, 777, 6600, 7270

She also has me doing these frequencies.

retroviruses
7270, 880, 8450, 8020

ebv
10,000 172, 274, 667, 825, 1013, 7660, 1865

echo virus
625, 922

cmv
656, 7958

papilloma
1051, 767

and a general antiseptic
1550

I was in a big flare before that but these seem to have brought me back out of it. I'm doing them every 3 days. She expects that the times between sessions will lengthen in another week or so and I'll need them every 4+ days apart.

Terry

[ 02-21-2010, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: TerryK ]
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Spring, re toenail fungus--- the GB-4000 list doesn't have a listing for Toenail Fungus or Onychomycosis, so i thought they didn't have anything for it.

Now i find they do--- it's under "Trichophytie nagel"--- 3 whole channels of numbers! All different from your BCX Ultra numbers.

132 142 373 376 378 385 387 420 425 428 576 578 580 133 581 583 588 592 595 597 724 725 726 750 794 797 801

805 808 809 817 886 2422 6887 7688 7697 7885 584 587 732 733 738 748 765 766 771 777 778 779 1256 381 585 593 812 9493

311 414 752 923 454 765

I just ran them. We'll see.

How are you holding your life together??

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I just want to echo what has been stated in some recent posts. I cannot express how helpful this thread has been to me when it comes to using my rife machine.

I am so thankful that everyone takes time out of their busy day to answer questions and post info on their rife sessions.

So THANK YOU!

All of the frequencies that I have been using, I have gotten from this thread. With every post, I learn something new.

I am currently using a DT machine, but would really like to be able to run groups & sweeps that a lot of you are talking about.

I am excited to soon purchase the Ultimate B3 in order to achieve longer rife sessions & run bigger groups of frequencies.

I have been stuck at 85% -90% for some time now. My only remaining symptom is fatigue. My gut is telling me that I am missing something in my treatment.

I am thinking that I should use the retro virus frequencies or the DNA frequencies for XMRV or the EBV frequencies.

I currently run frequencies for Lyme, Bart, Babs, Parasites & Malaria, and Detox for liver, lymph & kidney.

Does anyone else have any other suggestions?
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
TerryK -- thanks for posting those numbers, I think I am going to try them out.

Polly -- Thanks for the hypercouglation numbers, I will be adding them to my list as well.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Summer---- There are other ways to deal with hypercoagulation! I don't know if rife is the best way! I don't know how long the un-coagulated state from rife lasts!

If you take nattokinase, for example, you might have more basis for knowing how long you'll be normally coagulated--- i've read that nattokinase lasts 8 to 12 hours in the body.

If you are seriously hypercoagulated, a hematologist could give you some advice.

I don't know anything about validity or safety of the numbers i posted!

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
For fatigue, I would run some Strep frequencies.

Strep infection is real common in even healthy people.

Dan
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Question -- when people here post frequencies, are these applicable to ALL machines or do you specify? I'm not my EMEM (dont have it) will run all of these.
 
Posted by annxyzz (Member # 20404) on :
 
Has anyone seen babs improve using rife?
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Some machines may not have the ability to run extremely high frequencies that are sometimes used, but most of the frequencies in this thread are useful and effective with most machines. The Doug Coil, I believe, still does not climb beyond 2K or 2.5. Still, that allows all the typical numbers. I bet you could get 2016kH out of the coil.

Anyone know the general limitations in frequency range for the most popular machines?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Polly.> Thanks for those nail numbers.. I would be interested in hearing how it goes?
So you did not have a reaction this time like you did before with those bumps and problems after rife with the new numbers?

I hope it works out ..

I added those numbers to my "to try" list.. which is growing lately.. : )

Thanks Terry for those numbers too you listed.

What has people used for Strep?

??

I think its a great idea and I have yet to try it and I know it has been talked about on and off here and in other places to remember about strep.

Fatigue is holding on for me as well.... and pain..

So .. since i have been sick for so long I know as my body is treated that my body needs some time to adjust and for things to normalize. I think if it was all immediate I would not even believe it anyway..

Keep on keeping on....

Glad that this thread is so supportive and loving too.

Polly.
I am still working on the homestead and well.. it does not look good.

but as I said to my mother today who said "it will all end up being ok"

I said to her "it is ok now" I have to live that way and not with that "it will be" concept.

For me that is just the mindset I have to keep.

Thanks for asking and thinking of me. It is hard to deal with any disruption or stress with this disease so I am trying my hardest to stay focused and to not allow myself to stress.

I keep repeating to myself .. that stress does not get me anything but inflammation which equals more pain.. and is surely does not bring any results in life..

So.. no stress..

Any frequencies suggested for stress relief?

You know no matter how much we tell ourselves we are not going to stress our bodies take on some anyway... .

I have a program called General Well Being. .. that is supposed to calm the body and brain ...

It helps a bit... mostly for the next couple hours so I do that one sometimes before bedtime.

We have not talked about things like that .. that I think rife can surely help.
Stress.. Insomnia.. Inflammation..Tension.. Pain.. etc
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I was just reading my new Lyme and Rife book tonight. It is from 2004 so I assume a lot has changed since then.

Question: book says the machines discussed therein are not known to be effective against the coinfections (maybe not in 2004. He also says that herbal abx will hinder progress.
So: -- who is treating with success the co's with Rife, or are you using herbals and/or abx also and having luck? My problem is that something grows back *fast* and I need to keep it at bay while I work on the Lyme. Its' probably the bart/Fry/myco bug, it's very debilitating (brain).

Input appreciated!
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Polly -- thanks for your suggestion about nattokinase. I was on Heprain for 7 months. It was supposed to help with fatigue, but I didn't notice a change. I have been off for 2 months.

Dan -- Thanks for the suggestion of running strep frequencies for the fatigue. I will add this to my list.

annxyzz -- I have been rifing for babs 2 times a week, and I think that I have seen improvement. I sure do herx when I use the frequenices.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CD57:
[b] I was just reading my new Lyme and Rife book tonight. It is from 2004 so I assume a lot has changed since then.

Actually, I haven't noticed that. From what I've observed the machines are still basically the same, except now Laptop interfaces are more common for running frequencies. I still think the plasma tube devices are best.

quote:

Question: book says the machines discussed therein are not known to be effective against the coinfections (maybe not in 2004. He also says that herbal abx will hinder progress.
So: -- who is treating with success the co's with Rife, or are you using herbals and/or abx also and having luck?

This is a very good question. The answer is that yes, there is success for some people treating Babesia from what I've been hearing. I have also heard about success with Mycoplasma infections. I do think that antibiotics impairs Rife therapy, but this is only theoretical in my mind. However, I believe Rife will still work while using antibiotics or other chemical agents which toxify the environment for the infection. Since many parts of our body are difficult for the antibiotics to penetrate, I suspect doing an "Overlap" of Rife and antibiotics can be useful for cases that need a transition. To get off antibiotics, this gradual progression may be key.

Simply put: Rife will kill less effectively but it will still kill some, thus it may take longer to get better.

quote:

My problem is that something grows back *fast* and I need to keep it at bay while I work on the Lyme. Its' probably the bart/Fry/myco bug, it's very debilitating (brain).

I would probably try using your conventional treatments that you're used to, and add the Rife to it. See how you respond over a month or so. It's an idea to see whether you have Herxheimer reactions that are present, but perhaps not severe, especially if you're targetting Co-infections instead of Lyme.

Remember, the theory behind Lyme and Rife is different than that of co-infections. Co-infections may not change form in the presence of treatments, so the "cyst and L-form" concept might not apply. This means you can try treating faster as long as you pick frequencies that won't antagonize the Lyme. Maybe try a Babesia frequency or Fry Bug -- stick with one or two, and give it whatever time period you feel is best.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
A spot where people buy and sell their rife machines.

http://www.drloyd.com/bb/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=392974dac5906ba7fe0880dc1ea0e6d5
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I don't know if this Lyme/rife group was mentioned or not and it's a looong thread, so I didn't check.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Lyme_and_Rife

Polly, I would like to know how the toe fungus frx work out for you, too.

Fatigue - have you checked your pH? I know mine is low, so I am going to have some baking soda tonight.
I hope that is the source of my fatigue, because before Christmas I was doing so much better in that area. I should've recovered from Christmas by now.

I rifed for 2 mins. using 2016 and didn't herx and 2 mins. using 10,000 and didn't experience any unpleasant symptoms (or improvements) from detoxing.

Should I rife for 5 mins. using 2016?

liz
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can increase the time, if you are quite sure you are not going to have a delayed reaction to the earlier treatment.

I have treated Babesia, but I am not 100% sure my wife had it. She had symptoms of it, and the symptoms went away quickly with treatment. She did react very strongly to these frequencies.

It would come back months later, and I would treat it again and it would disappear for a few more months.

The last time I used the DNA Babesia frequencies and I have not seen any symptoms of this since.

I just used the listed CAFL frequencies for Babesia the first couple of times. I never identified any particular frequency that works well for this, but ran all of them.

Dan
 
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
 
I see no evidence that rife is less useful while on abx and there is certainly no proof of that. I know that the author of the book postulates that but I'm not at all convinced that he is correct. I've used the machine both on and off of abx. I didn't notice much difference. I can still get rid of the burning feet in one session of rife whether on or off abx.

The key is getting the right frequencies for your particular population of pathogens. The frequencies will likely be different depending on whether you are on or off abx.

Terry
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Terry,

I'm curious, what frequency gets rid of the burning feet? Sorry if you already mentioned this earlier! Do you think this is a bart symptom?

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by TerryK (Member # 8552) on :
 
tick battler, I would assume the frequencies needed by an individual would vary depending on which pathogen is causing the nerve damage or whatever is causing the burning feet for that person.

I use muscle testing and so frequencies vary but the frequency for wolhynia fever (a type of rickettsia) is always involved for me. It is 547.

I also often need zygomycosis (fungal infection) frequencies - one or more of these
942, 623, 733

AND

Zearalenone (a potent mycotoxin found in grains) - one or more of these
4978.71 and 247.88

Terry
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks Terry! Very interesting. I just read some things about rickettsia...it is not mentioned much but I think more of us have this than we know. I read some things about rickettsia by Dr. Jardin who finds it is the cause of many chronic fatigue-like illnesses. She pulses abx to get rid of it.

By the way, does anyone have D.T.'s telephone number? I misplaced it and need to inquire about my rife machine!

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
What a cool thread this has become!

The last time I posted I felt awful from the long run I did last time. I'm feeling better symptom wise but I can't shake this fatigue and it's absolutely crushing. I did not have this before my last session. I'm not sure what to make of it.

I've been really lazy with my diet and supplements lately and I think this may be a factor. I typically take turmeric, milk thistle, high dose C , multi-vitamin and digestive enzymes. I haven't taken any of this stuff in about 6 weeks - maybe that's contributing. Anyways, happy rifing!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Please be careful and make sure you wait ample time before assuming you had "no reaction"

For me the detox and positive reactions happen faster such in immediate to hours or that day...

Negative reactions of herxes and increase symptoms or new symptoms or reactions from the treatment usually happen for me more than 24 hours later and usually 48 hours and sometimes 72 hours.

IF I make it past 3 days I usually can assume then that I had no reaction..

THis still is after rifing only one time a week at first for months and could track that I never had a reactoin past that 3 day mark.

WE are all different... But .. just a reminder to make sure you do know.. you have to test it out and I would recommend at least no more than 1 x a week to start if not 1 x every two weeks..

I have heard of some who herx even later than I..

Sadly you do have to put in the time of testing even if it feels like you have to wait a lot inbetween to really see how "you" will react..

It does take a lot of time and patience. .but I think it is well worth it.
OTherwise it is hard to tell what is going on and what is what... etc.

If I ever did DNA or make other changes I would again back off frequency of treatments.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks - I got D.T's number!

tickbattler
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I read something fascinating--- about the F-Scan:

Nenah Sylver writes :

Able to analyze which frequencies the person needs, it scans the body for resonating frquencies, or "hits", and then delivers them to the user.

---"The Rife Handbook" by Nenah Sylver, p.352

Does this F-Scan really work?

It's priceless if it does work!

I'd like to know how the F-Scan agrees with someone's muscle testing or other tests.

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
It's been 10 days since I used the 2016 frx. Only 2 for the cleansing. It seems like a life time ago. LOL Whoever said it's hard to be patient was right! Don't worry though, I will exercise patience.

Should I run both frx at one session like somebody else posted or is it too soon for me to do that? I don't want running 10,000 hz to interfere with me (waiting time between sessions)running the 2,016.

Should I wait a full 2 wks. or can I do it at 1 wk. this early in Rife treatment? Maybe because I am on abx and have been a long time now (yrs) I can do it once a wk.

With the abx I only ever had mild herxes anywhere from 3-5 days. Unless you count the insomnia that occurred the same night.

With the rife, before abx, I had either mild or no herx. I don't recall how long I used rife, but it wasn't long. I can't find my lil notebook. I believe I didn't get any further than 15 mins and my method wasn't a good one.


liz

[ 02-23-2010, 08:31 PM: Message edited by: j_liz ]
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I would think if you are on ABX you likely can treat more often, as you are not going to have much in the way of Spirochetes, and that is what is most easily killed.

I am assuming 10,000 Hz is a frequency for something other than Lyme, so you can run that whenever you want, if that is the case.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
10000 should not interfere with anything that I know of. I actually have that number only on my general cleanses and pain relief etc.

IT is a very nice and calming frequency that is supportive and not out there ti kill...

So you should be able to run that one each time you rife..

Like I have written if you find the supportive numbers and cleansing numbers you can (or I have been able to) run those each time or anytime I want.

It is the killing numbers for the bugs that I have to be careful of rotating and monitoring the times etc.

I tried Strep numbers for the past two times and did not herx but have noticed some improvements in energy and less fatigue...

Just a note.

I have not done it enough to know for sure if that is a direct ongoing connection.

It is that time of the month starting today so I used all my pain relief numbers directly on my abdomen and put the plates on my abdomen and on by back so that the frequencies ran between and into that area more directly. Also running the ray tubes and holding them directly on each side left and right.

I was in so much pain today and after an hour or so of the frequencies I am amazed at the relief. Not fully gone but bearable now. I was near in tears.. As I did the treatment I could feel movement in and around my uterus and it was like gurgling and literally could feel movement in there. Hard to explain. THings were moving that is for sure.. and as they moved it felt as if things were breaking up and breaking down and maybe it was the blood or inflammation.
I kept moving the ray tube positions and each time a new feeling and movement directly in that spot.

Pretty amazing I would say.

The first 30 minutes I was just thinking "I at least have to try but maybe rife will not help with such acute pain"

But it did work...

I am not onto a heating bottle just to sooth and follow up... and of course any combination of tretments that help together.. Is always good to try.

I always feel horrible on the day my period starts. It is just the way it is. I knew the minute I woke up this morning it was going to be a bad day and I knew why.. It just is.

Luckily I can pull out of it in one to two days.

It used to be a week to 10 days. So Thats a good sign. >No matter how bad that one or two days is I will take it.

: )
 
Posted by Dancer (Member # 11039) on :
 
Hi Lymenet rifers,

I'm finally dropping in on this thread - I just started rifing. The number of posts on this thread is daunting - I can't read it all, but I did finally skim. So please forgive me if things I say have already been discussed.

I am off abx now and intend to stay off and focus on rife.

I'm lucky to have met some people who are experienced with the machine I have - GB4000 with amplifier - and they've been coaching me. Thank God because I now get it that this thing is STRONG. Like, nuclear.

I am running it with the amplifier on and with the power output dial turned all the way down to LOWEST setting, for short periods - and I'm having major herxes.

I hope people who get GB4000's will be very careful to start. I was surprised to read that somebody is using it daily - yikes - til I saw that they're not using the amplifier. Phew. It made me worry that people might see that and not realize its with amplifier off, so I will beg everybody - please always state if amplifier is on or off when discussing your treatments. Newbies might read and misunderstand.

I know of people ending up in emergency room from overdoing it with this machine. Sorry, I worry....

That said, I LOVE this thing. Wow. It appears to me I am going to be doing alot of herxing for a long time. That feels right for me.

The first time I used it, amp on, I did 15 minutes of sweeps (a little bit each of alot of frequencies), lowest possible power output. I was ZONKED for 2 days and was still feeling it a week later. Please note! - my experience is not a recommendation to others --

a) I am not a doctor or an expert, and in fact, brand new at this,
b) 15 minutes was suggested to me, specifically for me, based on my case of Lyme, by someone really experienced,
c) having the amp on might be way too much for other people.

We are all very different. Please do your own homework so you don't hurt yourself.

Oddly, I did have a particularly good day, the day after one of my later treatments, and then over the following days the herx picked up speed til I was in bed all day HURTING on around the 4th/5th days. So, I'd also say, beware the delayed herx.

GB4000 can run groups of frequencies and sweeps so that's what I'm running - no single frequencies yet - could be way too strong if I hit a "live" one, so I'm told.

Wondering if everybody is aware of the frequencies listed in appendix of Rosner's Lyme/Rife book, pg. 163 - lists for specific coinfections and Lyme. I would never have noticed it if someone didn't tell me.

So that's my story for now. Woo hoo and yikes!

Dancer

* My comments are based on my individual experience with my body and my Lyme. I am not an expert by any means. Please educate yourself and talk to other experienced users so you don't hurt yourself. *
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Welcome Dancer, I look forward to reading about your experiences with rife.

SS -- Like you, I suffer with awful menstrual cramps. When I started rifing, I was on Heprain at the time. With Heprain, you are not allowed to take any type of asprin or ibprofen.

The pain was so bad one time, I thought I was going to pass out -- so I took out my machine and rifed for 5 minutes on the Dysmenorrhea setting of 727 & 880.

And what do you know -- my cramps went away. Ever since then, I rife for cramps and it works.

I am excited to hear that your rifing for strep gave you some energy. I am waiting for my new machine to rife for strep. There are so many numbers that it is daunting, and I want to be able to run sweeps with it.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Beginning progress report on Toenail Fungus frequencies (listed in the GB-4000 manual as Trichophytie Nagel):

so far, some positive indicators.

I've done those frx (which i posted) twice.

I ran those 3 channels on Sunday for a total of 9 minutes, and on Tuesday the same.

The toes have been the same since the first session--- blotchy, but not red all over. That's one improvement.

The other improvement-- there were some sore cracks in the heel and toe ends, that hurt when i put vinegar on , and had me limping. I had to apply fresh aloe several times a day to make the cracks heal for a few hours.

The cracks weren't so sore and open yesterday; i didn't have to apply any aloe. Definite improvement.

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Strep is so common in people and its effects are largely unknown. I think it is a good idea to treat for it as just a general practice.

Just my opinion.

Dan
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Is anybody using any of the setups on www.noriftrife.com

Or instructions for building a Rife and knowing how much it would cost?

I am trying to get info for an online friend.

Thanks,
liz
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Good news guys, the Bionic 880 arrived safely today. So I've got my Rife, and this to get started on. I'm still dragging my feet, but I will get to it.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The Norirife product has the potential to work, but I do not recommend it to someone who does not have experience with frequency treatments, because it will not work well as it is advertised.

It needs amplification and it also would need a sound card that can accurately produce frequencies in the range you would be using. How is the newby going to overcome these potential problems?

It is deceptive advertising in my opinion.

You are not going to get any kind of effective frequency device for $100.00 period.

If you want to use a software program to monkey around with you can get a limited version of the Frex program for free. It has the same limitations but at least you are not paying for it. If you want the full version it is $30.00

At least they are not making deceptive claims.

http://www.heal-me.com.au/frex.html

http://www.heal-me.com.au/frex-pfa.html

Since you could buy an EMEM near cost anyway, that may be the better option.

Good Luck

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
MB, you're not ready for the Bionic 880 till you get the homeopathic nosodes! You're not going to run it alone, are you?

Wow! Nenah Sylver's book has a whole lot of Candida frequencies and excellent treatment advice.
I'nm glad i bought the book, "The Rife Handbook".

What are the copyright rules? I'm not allowed to divulge her lists of candida frequencies, am i? I'd at least have to ask written permission first, i'm sure.

It's a gold mine and i'm going to try them.

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If the frequencies are in the CAFL also, they are not proprietary.

If they are not listed, you had better get permission.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Polly. I have the book as well. There are no rules around not sharing anything in the book. It is not like the DNA site. IT is a printed book and you can share the numbers amoung friends and others online like this..

What you can not do is copy what she writes and use it as your own words to write your own book or booklet etc. and then ask to be paid for it or distribute it.

The frequencies she writes about are already posts all over and she just has brought the numbers together for us..

Iwas given copies of chapters of her book by people before I bought the book.

Dan. I do not agree with you on this one and do not see why anyone would need permission to give out information in a written book that is just sharing and not for profit..

Its like when you copy a Video for someone .. that is legal.. When you make a copy for profit or various copies and sell them it is illegal.

I have posted frequency numbers she suggests such as her idea that the two numbers 72 and 120 will work for 75 percent of parasites out there.

She probably after hours of research adn reading figured out that those were two common numbers as well as talking to many people who have used the rife for parasites etc.

So that is great information to pass on.. I did not and do no need permission to share it.

She even posts parts of her book on her site... to show you what its like and give you some examples before you buy it.

What is and has become very hard for publishers of books and ebooks and musick is the internet. If you buy and ebook and share it with a friend then it can start getting passed around much more quickly and easier than a real bound book.

That has really hurt the industry and there has had to be adjustments to how they market and how they make their money now.

If there is something I do not know about the legalities would someone please post it ...


THanks
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Cracked Soles of Feet:

I was originally going to post this question for TerryK but then I just noticed that Polly mentioned it as well.

So I am just going to copy the message that I was going to send to Terry here, and see if this applies to anyone else.

Hi TerryK,

I just read one of your posts about your cracked heels and how after using rife for a while, your cracked heels got smoother.

The SAME thing happened to me...

I have always had the most dried/cracked heels as well as the side of my toes. My husband was in awe of my feet b/c he couldn't understand how that would happen.

Every month I would get a pedi to try and help it and I would put lotions on my feet then sleep with cotton socks ect...

About two weeks ago, I happen to look at my feet and I couldn't believe how smooth they were. And I started thinking...could this be from rife?

My gut was telling me YES, but I didn't know how to prove it. And I was wondering what frequencies were helping the skin on my feet.

Do you have any idea which frequencies helped? Could it be 10K?

Sorry, I just got so exctied when I read your post, b/c I thought I was crazy.

I really feel these machines have more power than we realize.

Thanks
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by pamoisondelune:
MB, you're not ready for the Bionic 880 till you get the homeopathic nosodes! You're not going to run it alone, are you?

My girlfriend is the one doing all the research on that. I'm doing all the research on Rife. She'll be the one to help me. I'm pretty strong, I can handle drops down to 25% function usually. I will need to get a solid detox routine down. I feel right now that I may use Cholestapure with Heel Homepatics, Baking Soda (In the water I drink). I'm still up in the air about whether to buy Distilled water and then introduce the trace elements into it or to use filtered water and add the trace minerals. Either way trace minerals are crucial. I'm also juicing fruit and vegetables.

quote:

Wow! Nenah Sylver's book has a whole lot of Candida frequencies and excellent treatment advice.
I'nm glad i bought the book, "The Rife Handbook".

What are the copyright rules? I'm not allowed to divulge her lists of candida frequencies, am i? I'd at least have to ask written permission first, i'm sure.

It's a gold mine and i'm going to try them.

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed ]

You can list the frequencies regardless. She encourages it actually in the book. Sharing the information she says is crucial for the community to recover.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan

Your wrote
"None of the Rife Labs machines come with the ability to program a sequence of frequencies to run automatically."

Maybe I am not understanding what you mean by this and it is back on page 3 of the thread.

But.. My machine is capable of programing a sequence of frequencies and running it automatically. I think?

Unless I am not understanding what you mean by this?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I have been asked over and over to give these programs out to people as well as getting feedback that they are very useful esp to those with detox issues and who feel they need that support.

So I am putting it back here at this point to help people find them..

I put these at the end of every single session I do and sometimes at the beginning and at the end.
I am at the point where I can increase the times now and want to point out that I started with JUST These programs for a month 2 x a week and upping to 3 times a week before I went to Killing frequencies .. For me this really helped learn the process and watch my reactions and also I had a good response and it helped me make a basis for which to continue and depend on.


General Cleansing program Numbers (3 minutes each)
337 464 467 576 688 728 786 803 856 882 912 1554 1862 2128 3337 5762 6667

Liver Support (1 min each programed)
337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546

Lymph Support (1 minute each programed)
146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846

Kidney Support (1 minute each programed)
248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-516
 
Posted by lymeinmesa (Member # 23394) on :
 
Has anyone used freqgen113.exe and if so HOW? thanks...

I tired this thru a small amp and the output to my left and right hand. Not sure if that is how is it supposed to work or not?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Herxing/reactions seems to be the golden rule here......but what about these bugs that in theory don't cause a herx when they die? How do you know that you are killing them -- you just feel better?

I want to Rife for more than just Lyme -- in fact other infections are likely more problematic -- but those bugs dont necessarily cause a "herx". Thoughts?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
CD57

Yes if the bug does not cause a herx so much you should just feel better.

I have noticed some things causes a herx and some I just feel better.

So track your reactions as you start to treat and that will let you know where your at.

If no change.. Maybe you do not have it at all
If herx you may have to feel worse before better andI
IF just better right off the bat and onward then you are getting rid or doing something right. keep going : )
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Dan and Spring, my machine Beam Ray will run programs with any number of freqs and it also can be programmed to sweep or pulse each freq.

Pam
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I did not think any of the Rife Labs machines could run automatic sequences of frequencies. Mine does not, but if you have a model that does, I was just unaware of it.

It is a handy feature to have.

Dan
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I am wondering if they are not catching that you are saying from Rife Labs. Not rife machines in general.

That site I saw for Rife Labs seems to be one that is offering them to buy it and they are offering to anyone that wants that domain. Too bad. I wonder what's going on, if the son is going to take up building the machines or not.

liz
 
Posted by kidsgotlyme (Member # 23691) on :
 
Hey Rifers! I have a question for you.

I ran the four frequencies that DT recommends with his machine last night.
Today, my stomach is having the WEIRDEST pains. It's almost like an itch inside my stomach.

Has anybody else experienced this?

christie
 
Posted by lymemomnj (Member # 24299) on :
 
Hi. I was wondering if you could use a rife machine on a young child. Where can I find information on rife machines and pediatric lyme patients? My child is currently on IV zith, Mepron and Minocycline.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
In Sylvers book she says that Rife machines are useful for many kids, but that the parent should be aware that children respond differently than adults and that the parents should monitor the condition and go slowly.

That's all I remember.
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I updated my Rife Frequency list here on Lymenet. Please feel free to add commentary on the Frequencies I have (whether they helped or didn't for that particular problem).

Feel free to give listings of your frequencies as well.


 
Posted by Dr.Dave (Member # 24210) on :
 
Fellow Rifers

I started a new post/thread to help all us beginners and also help some of you veterans save some time when responding to us newbies.

I am asking for all rifers input so I can put together something to help us all help each other.

Please take the time to visit the post "Rifer's:
Favorite freq's......"

I believe it will be a valuable tool for all of us but, I need all of your input. Please take some time, write the freq you most value and have seen the greatest benefit and how long and how often to get someone started.

Thank you for all your help
Blessings Dr.Dave
 
Posted by Deb133 (Member # 18544) on :
 
I can't find where I put the frequency for H Pylori..does anybody have one?

Thanks,

Deb G
 
Posted by Deb133 (Member # 18544) on :
 
Found it! I have 676...is there any other one?

Thanks,

Deb
 
Posted by Dr.Dave (Member # 24210) on :
 
Does anyone else have Erlichia ...that was one of my positive tests, but I don't believe I have symptoms of it specifically?

Is it a blood disease that can be treated with herbs if so any recommendations.

I have a few freq's from Dan T. does anyone have any other recommendations. I am not willing to do ABXs at this stage in the game.

DR.Dave
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
In my thread on Rife Frequency Listing, you'll find Ehrlichia frequencies mentioned.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
More about Toenail Fungus:

I did the 3 channels for Trychophytie Nagel in the GB-4000 manual (which i posted) on Wed, but it didn't stop the cracked heel from hurting. It didn't work as i wanted it to work. I had to apply aloe.

Then there was a 72-hour power failure when i couldn't rife. During that time i took 3 doses of antibiotics, for protection and partly to see what the reaction would be, since i've been off abx a month.

The sore crack in the heel stopped hurting! This indicates that there was a bacterial component to the infection along with the fungus.

In fact, my doctor did mention a possible bacterial component of some Trychophyton infections.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
where is your new thread Dr Dave? Over in general support?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I think it is great to have so much interest in rife and a support thread that is staying alive!!

Also others who are starting other threads. I though might suggest that you keep your questions in this one because the others may end up being lost down the line because the rife subject has been very hard to keep ongoing as a subject that stays this strong. As a matter of fact this has been amazing that this thread has so much life and activity.

The reason I am say this is so that valuable information that might be in those other threads (though good intention and maybe a specific subject matter or topic) may be totally lost and not included in the reading.

I myself to end up going to look for these other threads and one day I was lucky and the other day not etc..

Just an idea.. If you could also post the same question or idea or information here as well? If it is not tooo much trouble?

Just throwing out the ideas.. its all up to you of course.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
CD57

How are things going for you? Have you been starting the rife yet or still reading up?

Let us know ok?

Blessings
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I agree with SS -- I had no idea that there were other rife threads out there. I remember that MB had one a while back, but haven't seen it in a while.

It would be great to have all the questions & frequency postings on this thread so it is easier to keep track of everything.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
676 hz for H-Pylori needs to be run five or six days in a row to permanently get rid of H-pylori in the stomach. It may take longer to remove it from the whole body.

Dan
 
Posted by Deb133 (Member # 18544) on :
 
Thanks Dan! We started...and we will do it for a week and see what happens!

Deb G
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If burning Stomach pain is the symptom, which is what I had, you should notice relief shortly after treatment.

I accidentally found out the right pathogen by running a group of H-Pylori frequencies, which were the only frequencies that made the symptoms go away.

I later came across the method to get rid of it permanently by reading Aubrey Scoon's article in the link below.

http://www.rife.de/files/epearticle.pdf

Dan
 
Posted by Deb133 (Member # 18544) on :
 
Thanks Dan...my daughter describes it as her intestines feel like their twisting and very painful. Little heartburn. The reason I thought we would try an H Pylori frequency is because she tested positive for it back in November and was treated for two weeks.

I thought perhaps it was never fully eradicated and it wouldnt hurt to try. That feeling is better except for she has always had a lot of GI issue since dx.

Thanks for the help..

Deb G
 
Posted by jamieL (Member # 16563) on :
 
Summary:

(We can add to this every time we find a new frequency to use:

612 is the best frequency we use. that is a ten for sure.

You bring up a good point, in that certain harmonics of 612 may work better. We have used 306 which is a lower harmonic of 612. It never worked as well as 612. Your higher harmonic of 1224 worked better than 612. To try a higher harmonic simply keep doubling the frequency 306, 612, 1224 are all different harmonics of the same frequency.

The second most effective is 432 hz. It is about a nine in effectiveness. Other than that, I just ran all of the listed frequencies in the CAFL. I do not know which are effective or not.

I only have really tested frequencies in the Mhz range designed to affect the DNA of Lyme. These are more experimental and do not appear to work at lower ranges of frequencies. They do affect the bacteria, but that does not mean they are damaging or killing them. I will know more over time.

started out using my machine (I have a DT EMEM5) twice a week for babs. The first few times I did 570, 20 and 27 for 2 minutes each. After like the 3rd time I increased each frequency by one minute until I worked my way up to 5 minutes each frequency. Then I heard that 76 was a possible babs frequency so I added that one to the mix. I would say it took me about 3 months to kick babs this way.


We use 125 Hz, 570 Hz, 612 Hz, 832 Hz, 942 Hz (1 minute each)

EMEM5 dual tube machine from rife labs.

Lyme Program (3 minutes each progamed)
799-803-640-847-1087-1112-1455-2016-2050-4320-6870

I then do

Liver Support (1 min each programed)
337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546

Lymph Support (1 minute each programed)
146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846

Kidney Support (1 minute each programed)
248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-5162

In the end I do a General Detox

Lyme
42, 240, 203, 432, 484, 610, 612, 690, 810, 920.

Erlichia
336, 347, 366, 385, 395, 749

Babesia
76, 570, 1584

Bartonella
10, 20, 364, 379, 645, 654

719 - Cyst_sebaceous_TR, Nocardia_asteroides, Salmonella_comp, Salmonella_paratyphi_B

3 minutes each 522 146 10000 880 787 727 20 555 333 1

Also my manual said to end all Detox programs with 465

H-Pylori infection of the Stomach.

If using a contact machine place positive and negative contact on each side of the Abdomen.

If using a plasma machine, put it directly in front of the Stomach.

676 Hz for five minutes a day. Sweep from 675 to 677 for five minutes a day.

Do both for six days. Infection in Stomach should be gone.
Borrelia Burgdorferi (Lyme Disease)
 20 thru 27 (Note: 20)
 42
 90 thru 125
 203
 230
 240
 254
 260 thru 275
 293 thru 325
 338
 334 thru 345
 380
 382 (b. garinii & b afzellii)
 387-388 (b. garinii & afzelli)
 390
 412 thru 414
 420 thru 440
 484
 495
 525
 533 thru 534
 550 thru 650 (Note: 570, 589, 597, 605, 615, 620, 625, 640, 644)
 664
 610 thru 612
 667
 673
 688 thru 690
 690
 732
 742
 758
 790 thru 810 (Note: 797, 800, 810)
 832
 840
 864
 884 thru 885
 920
 930
 942
 995 thru 1,010 (Note: 1000)
 1,064
 1,072
 1,087
 1,105
 1,320 thru 1,420
 1,455
 1,520
 1,540 thru 1,633 (try 1,633)
 2,016
 2,050
 2,112
 4,200
 6,863
 6,870
 8,554
 10,000

Frequencies from the Consolidated Annotated Frequency List (CAFL)

Significantly Important Frequencies
 306
 345
 432
 465
 484
 610 thru 612
 690
 790
 864
 1224
 2.016
 2,112

Co-infection Frequencies

Babesia
 20
 27
 76
 432
 570
 753
 1,583 thru 1,584
 5,776

Bartonella Henslae
 364, 379
 634
 645
 654
 696
 716
 786
 840
 842
 844
 846
 848
 850
 857
 967
 1,518

Mycoplasma Fermentans
 254
 484
 610
 644
 690
 986
 706.7
 790
 864
 880.2
 878.2
 2,900

Mycoplasma Pneumonia
 660
 688
 709.2
 777
 975
 777
 2,688
 2,838.5

Ehrlichia
 328
 336.4
 347
 366
 382.2
 385
 394.7
 672.7
 749.2
 764.4
 918
 1,317
 1,264.9
 1,369.8

Listing Of Hundreds of Disease Frequencies

Visit this link to download a PDF file for the list.
 Link: http://altered-states.net/barry/rifeFAQ/Frequency-List.pdf
Lyme: 432, 380, 612, 650, 800, 4320, 4328, and then 10,000 (1 min).

I didn't feel any herx, so 5 days later I went up to 1 min on each frequency - no herx. 5 days later 1.30 min - no herx. 5 days later 2.00 min and finally a herx.
Babs frequencies: 570,20,27,76,5776,753,432,1584,1583 all 2 mins. I do this every Monday & Thursday. Then every 2 weeks I do the lyme frequencies.
Babesia - 76, 570, 1583, 1584, 432, 753, 5776

Bartonella_henslae (virus which causes cat scratch fever) - 364, 379, 645, 654, 786, 840, 842, 844, 846, 848, 850, 857, 967, 6878, 634, 696, 716, 1518


Lyme_and_Rocky_Mtn_Spotted_Fever_v - 7989, 1590, 239, 846, 422, 417, 1455, 39975, 40439, 884, 797, 758, 693, 673, 577, 4870, 4880, 578, 128, 579
Lyme_disease (also known as borreliosis; relapsing fever in humans and animals caused by parasitic spirochetes from ticks. Also use Babesia if necessary.) - 6870, 6863, 46866, 46851, 34170, 34112, 4200, 2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 920, 884, 800, 797, 758, 673, 625, 615, 605, 432, 345, 344, 338, 254
Lyme_1 - 864, 495, 485, 490, 495, 500, 505, 625, 610, 615, 620, 625, 630, 690, 790, 785, 790, 795
Lyme_2 (use 625 for 10 min, 615 for 5 min) - 10000, 6870, 6863, 4200, 2720, 2050, 2016, 1520, 1455, 943, 920, 885, 884, 880, 864, 800, 797, 795, 790, 785, 758, 732, 727, 699, 690, 688, 673, 664, 673, 660, 644, 630, 625, 620, 615, 610, 605, 597, 534, 533, 525, 510, 505, 495, 485, 490, 500, 484, 432, 345, 344, 338, 306, 254, 230, 3
Lyme_3 - 27735768, 1380882.58, 68750.10, 3422.87
Lyme_4 (use 2016 and 625 for 10 min, others for 5 min) - 2050, 1520, 615, 2016, 625
Lyme_5 (use 920 for 10 min) - 920
Lyme_6 (borrelia afzellii) - 387500
Lyme_7 (borrelia burgdorferi) - 380000
Lyme_8 (borrelia garinii) - 382000
Lyme_hatchlings_eggs - 640, 8554, 203, 412, 414, 589, 667, 840, 1000, 1072, 1087, 1105
Lyme_JB - 27735768
Lyme_secondary (254*) - 254, 525, 597, 644, 885, 699
Lyme_tertiary - 306, 432, 484, 610, 625, 690, 864, 2016, 790
Lyme_TR_A (Program A, run every other day) - 6675, 4879, 2899, 2720, 2016, 1800, 1600, 1550, 1519, 1455, 1433, 885, 880, 863, 828, 802, 786, 776
Lyme_TR_B (Program B, run every other day) - 765, 758, 749, 726, 672, 604, 600, 581, 464, 451, 432, 345, 250, 144, 62

Someone started this thread about killing the Fry Bug which is a goal of mine

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/88900

I added in the 72 and 120 and it hit me with the biggest punch yet...
Reminder about 72 and 120 ... Nynah Silver writes that those two numbers kill 75 percent of parasites.


2016 Best frequency yet: Dan B.

For fatigue, I would run some Strep frequencies.

Strep infection is real common in even healthy people.

I use muscle testing and so frequencies vary but the frequency for wolhynia fever (a type of rickettsia) is always involved for me. It is 547.

I also often need zygomycosis (fungal infection) frequencies - one or more of these
942, 623, 733

AND

Zearalenone (a potent mycotoxin found in grains) - one or more of these
4978.71 and 247.88

The pain was so bad one time, I thought I was going to pass out -- so I took out my machine and rifed for 5 minutes on the Dysmenorrhea setting of 727 & 880.

And what do you know -- my cramps went away. Ever since then, I rife for cramps and it works.


General Cleansing program Numbers (3 minutes each)
337 464 467 576 688 728 786 803 856 882 912 1554 1862 2128 3337 5762 6667

Liver Support (1 min each programed)
337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546

Lymph Support (1 minute each programed)
146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846

Kidney Support (1 minute each programed)
248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-516

H.pylori
676
 
Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :
 
A woman I know sent me this message. I'm wondering whether part or all of her opinions are valid and if so, have these concerns been dealt with in any machines? When I get my new roof paid off, I plan on buying a machine. ----

"You might want to know my hubby has researched and tested Rife quite a bit, the problem with most (all we have seen) rife "machines" is that they now use transistors instead of the original gas tubes that Rife used. These "back enginered machines" give "results" however they are not beneficial in the long run as they cause more problems than they treat. Much like a harsh "medicine" that gives results yet has side effects. Even the machines with "tubes" have computers and transisters supplying the power to those tubes, so you end up problems. Rife DID have a great machine, healed some, (even killed a few because it worked too well & fast and the toxins of dead cells were too much) A "true Rife" will have only one line to the bulb, it will be cold - no heat to the bulb, and a longitutidal wave instead of transverse wave. (ie Teslas's one line power transmitter )"
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It is partly correct, in that the new machines do not completely duplicate Rife's original machine.

The side effects mentioned are unknown to me, but it is true that the new machines are not as effective with Cancer in particular, as the original. I know of no side effects from any frequency treatment for any condition.

No one was ever killed from a frequency treatment to my knowledge, although lab animals were killed in finding the correct frequencies and general testing.

I have never had a hot plasma tube. The power levels of most machines are not enough to produce heat.

The longitudinal wave is speculation. Even its existence is not well accepted. You cannot even test for this type of wave, so its presence certainly was not known in the thirties. It is not measurable today.

There is a new device that will be available in April that will work with the GB-4000. It is as close to a original Rife device as is possible without using a Faraday cage to contain stray frequencies.

I will likely be getting one of these devices. I will let you know what my results are then.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I rife on the Bartonella channel from CAFL and the Toxoplasmosis group in the GB-4000 manual, usually every time i rife, mostly every other day. The Toxoplasmosis frequencies are
434 4340 852 8520.

Both of those channels make me FEEL GOOD. I LIKE THEM. They make me feel as if they are helping me.
I imagine that both of these channels may be helping treat my eye pains.

In other words, i am TRUSTING my SUBJECTIVE reaction. I have NO OBJECTIVE INDICATION that i have either Bartonella or Toxoplasmosis--- but because these channels make me feel good (i imagine), i then conclude that i have Bartohella and Toxoplasmosis. And i'm not DOUBTING my subjective reaction--- it feels good, and i BELIEVE it is good, whatever it is and for whatever reason. I don't feel any doubt or indecision.

One OBJECTIVE piece of information i can give you in a few months is----- i can count the number of eye pains in my notes to see if they are less than the average from two or three years ago. Every eye pain i've had in the last 5 1/2 years is COUNTABLE in my extensive daily notes (except when i'm asleep of course).

That might indicate that rife treatment for lyme, bartonella, toxoplsamosis, or other, has diminished the number of eye pains, if in fact that's the result after 3 or 6 months or so.

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Polly,

That's a great way to note improvement. It's the way I have been able to determine if my young children are getting better.

Each day I track symptoms and then in another spot list each symptom and which days of the month it happened on. That way I can count how many times per month that symptom occurred.

tickbattler
 
Posted by BTTaylor (Member # 14342) on :
 
Two questions?
What frequencies do you use for strep (on an EMEM)? I haven't tried that and would like to. My frequency list which I got from the company I bought my machine from lists: 453, 676, 727, 1109, 2600, 7160.

Second question- how many of you who rife are still under a doctor's care for lyme?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
My wife has never been under a doctors care for Lyme. They determined she just had spontaneous Arthritis after a Deer Tick bite.

If they cannot even diagnose a rather obvious infection, they certainly are not qualified to treat it either.

Dan
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I am rifing and still being treated by my LLMD. She believes it's effective.

liz
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
One benefit from rife treatment: no more insomnia.

Since i've been rifing, the insomnia has vanished.

I used to have frequent insomnia, which i overcame part of the time by taking Melatonin and Valerian.

Since rifing, i sleep deeply, and haven't needed any Melatonin or Valerian.

I didn't rife on any specific insomnia frequencies.

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
 
On another thread, pamoisondelune, asked if anyone has heard of the F-Scan and wanted to know how it works.

I've decided to post this here as it seems more appropriate since it seems to resemble a rife machine.

Anyone know something about the F-Scan and how effective it might be?

Looks interesting http://www.energetic-medicine.net/f-scan.html

Gary
 
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
 
Ooops, just now noticed that pamoisodelune has been posting here on this thread. So maybe you've already brought this up here? Sorry if this has been mentioned already.

Gary
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
There are problems with the F-Scan from what others that use it, have determined.

One big problem that is hard to resolve is how do you distinguish between a harmful bacteria and a beneficial or benign one?

I am not too sold on its ability to pick out a pathogen, but I have not used one either.

I would place a little more stock in a EAV device, only because it is a German invention, and they seem to be very good at this type of technology.

Dan
 
Posted by gwb (Member # 7273) on :
 
I was hoping you'd chime in on this, Dan. Thanks for your input. I always appreciate reading what you have to say on rife machines and similar like equipment.

Gary
 
Posted by twingirl (Member # 13172) on :
 
I rife and am still under a doctors care.
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I'm pretty excited, I believe I herxed last night. I didn't expect to herx, because I am still getting abx shots and just got them Thur. Plus, I just never herxed much at all.

I ran 2016 for 5 mins. and 10,000 for 10 earlier Sat. Then in the evening, while watching tv, I started getting rls. I haven't had that for yrs. My face started feeling jumpy here and there, and it felt like one of my headaches was coming on.

I was a bit restless when I went to bed and when I had my usual time of insomnia instead of just lying there waiting to go back to sleep I was highly aggitated.

I feel fine right now with just a bit of rls. I have decided I am going to rife every week.

liz
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
My wife had the face reaction also when using 2016 for a longer run time, right after we started using that frequency.

Since we had used 612 Hz for a long time, and I am pretty sure that kills Spirochetes, I could only surmise that 2016 hz kills other forms of Lyme, all though I was not sure what other form.

The fact that you reacted even though you are using ABX kind of confirms it in my mind that cyst form is about all you could have to hit.

That is an early reaction to die off near the surface of the body I am guessing. It takes longer to get deep into the tissue, and even longer to clear out the joints.

I am very interested in your future reactions to the 2016 Hz frequency. If it is correct, that you are hitting cyst form, then your Herx should not be as intense as when Spirochetes are killed. At least that is our experience.

It should also follow that you are going to be able to gain on the Lyme, if you are in fact killing cyst form.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
What is rls? restless leg syndrome?
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Toenail fungus:

My toes are looking considerably better!

The thick, gray, cracked skin build-up is half gone, half the area is pink patches.

I posted earlier, way back, the frequencies for Toenail Fungus which is called "Trichophytie Nagel" in the GB-4000 manual. Also i've been doing the frequencies for "Wound Healing", which is for killing bacteria.

So i can't tell if the improved toes are because of killing bacteria or from the anti-fungal frequencies.

I can't see any difference yet in the toenails.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Even if you killed all of the fungus on the Toenails, you probably would not see improvement until the nail grows out uninfected.

I hope this works for you. I don't know anyone else that has tried it before. Sounds like it is helping your toes at least.

Thanks for the report.

Dan
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Polly try some Vicks on your toenails...it works
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Yes, rls is restless leg syndrome. Sorry 'bout that.

liz
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If you have never seen this "Doug" story, here it is. It is an old article, but it gives you some historical perspective on how this method of treating Lyme developed.

http://www.grotonledyardrotary.org/LymeRifeInfoPg2.htm

Dan
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
So if I herxed after a minute on 612, and am taking abx, what was dying off? I did another minute at 2000 as well as some supposed detox frequencies, so could the 2000 have been hitting cysts?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Upon doing research for my mother who has cancer and looking into IPT treatment for Cancer and for other diseases too.. I came across this local doctor and these videos

I only listened to the last one down and I am posting to ask you to listen to the last one down.

It talks about how disease is related to voltage in our bodies and after you listen to the whole thing it makes you think about various things in different ways. IT is very interesting and informative I thought.

Also made me think about Rife and how it might affect that voltage? What do you think?

http://anoasisofhealing.com/resources/dr-lodi-videos.html
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
SO if your rife and rife and stop herxing.. what should you do?

Keep on keeping on?

Or?

I so fear any relapse or regression backwards..

Is it helping me if I am no longer herxing? I can tell when I am not doing it at all though I start feeling a bit worse..

So it is helping sustain me?
 
Posted by MichaelTampa (Member # 24868) on :
 
Hello everybody, this is my first post on this forum.

I have a question about rife, but first a very brief background. I do not have diagnosed lyme, but suspected at this time. Currently awaiting doctor's appointments and lab results to get an opinion. I have been on and off disability a few times in last few years, disabled currently and will lose job if I can't get back to work in a few months. So, feeling some urgency to track down possible causes, and very much focusing on infection-related possibilities this time around. My biggest problem is sensitivity to wireless devices and fluorescent lights--two things that are spreading like wildfire out there in the real world. These things cause a long list of symptoms, including headaches, irritability/rage attacks, and inability to concenctrate/think well enough to have a conversation.

Really wanting to explore rife, but hoping there's a cheaper way to get started versus spending $2,000 or more on a machine, from what I see on the internet. Any alternative ideas out there?

I live in the Tampa, Florida area ... Any local health care places I could rent one, borrow one, buy a quality one used? Are there cheaper ones of a good quality, or reputable places to buy one used? Just basically looking for suggestions, money is tight but like the idea a lot compared to the alternatives, as I have symptoms that are very difficult for doctors to figure out.

Sure would hope to hear a story of someone being cured enough to not need it anymore, so they could sell it for a reasonable "used" price, but, maybe with the "chronic" concept, perhaps even those with whopping success would want to hang on to their machine...

Michael
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You will not herx, once you have spirochetes down to a minimal level. If you wait a few weeks, you will herx again.

To hit cyst form run either 2016 or 789,000. Sweep both frequencies also. And sweep 612 or 432 Hz also. It seems that there is some variation in the working frequency. Try sweeping a couple of hertz above and below these frequencies and see if you get a reaction.

Micheal, maybe you can find a naturopath or an integrated medicine doctor that can point you to a practitioner that has a frequency device.

Since you are not sure you have Lyme, it would be nice to try it first. If you use one of the frequencies above, you should be able to tell by your reaction, if you have it.

You can get a decent device for around $600.00 but if you do not have Lyme, it is possible it would not be as much help.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
SpringShowers -- not sure if I have any advice, just some random thoughts about your current situation....

- if you aren't feeling a reaction, i would move on to other frequencies BUT in a week or two come back to the frequencies that weren't giving a reaction.

- i have had times where certain frequenices didn't cause a herx and then the next week they did, i don't know how to explain it.

- still do your detox/suppport frequenices. i think those are helping you.

- maybe b/c of your abx regimen, you have a lot of cysts and that is why you aren't having a reaction?

- maybe look into the DNA frequenices and see if you react to them.

- maybe increase the length of your sessions or increase how many times a week you rife?

- OR, take a week off (not in regards to support/detox) and see if your body releases more spiro's for you to zap.

For me, it is so hard to rife with this 'trial & error' approach.

I wish I had bettter answers [Smile]
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks for those ideas.

Your all so right and I have already tried them all except for Have not tried the DNA frequencies.

I probably need to wait for more time to pass as I do agree that from day to day and treatment to treatment they can feel different...

I guess the good news is and most likely true is that I have gotten my load way down!!!!!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
How are you feeling? I would think if you are not reacting to the frequencies, you should be feeling better also, but that is just going by my wife's reaction.

I guess that is the important thing. If people can get to feeling somewhat normal, they can function, and not have their lives spin out of control. Live to fight another day.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi Dan

i am feeling much better than 6 months ago. But I feel like I am plateauing and still need to work further because my main symptoms of pain and fatigue are holding on and also plateauing. If you put it into thirds.. I feel stuck in the middle...
I am not at m worst but not back to normal.

I am so thankful for where I am compared to where I was because there is so much less suffering for me. Maybe I should be happy with that and end it there .. but i have dreams of going back to working and being active again like I used to be. And I think i can get there if I do some more intensive treatments forward..

If I could get there using just rife that would be great but not sure if I can. I do think though Rife had helped me a lot and helped sustain much of my gain. I feel confident saying that and I will not let go of the rife.. that is for sure.

Oh lately rife has really helped me sleep. I have been literaly passing out while on the rife that I do laying down on my bed> My sleep is healthier than it has been in a very long time. I need to get that bladder issue worked out so I do not "have" to get up.

Other things have improved too and I totally believe in and have good experience with it.

I believe that we have to treat with a combination of various things that work for us. So our pies will all look and taste different but also have some of the same basic ingredients..

Thanks for all the sharing on this thread and the support..

blessings
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
Spring, another option is to use the machine every single day for a longer duration. Since you know how you respond generally, you will be able to keep track of which frequencies are helping.

That's a possibility. Also, try some of the frequencies specifically for pain and fatigue. Why not? [Smile]
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The first time I ran a sweep from 2011 to 2021 both my wife and myself reacted to the treatment.

This covers the 2016 frequency also, so her reaction is not surprising, but I got inflamed also.

I can tell if I get inflamed by my mood. Inflammation brings on depression, and I do not feel well in general. It was like I had a minor Flu, that only lasted two days.

I do not know what I hit doing that, but it must of been some latent infection. I checked the CAFL and that sweep covered a lot of different things, especialy if you include the harmonics of the frequency.

Maybe a few sweeps around some of the "catch all" frequencies can help.

It is not always just Lyme, but a host of stuff we have accumulated. Every once in a while, I will accidentally hit something, usually doing a sweep.

What kind of pain are you experiencing? If it is in the joints, there are a few known pathogens to look at.

For those that want to know the history of Jim Folsom, and his prosecution for selling frequency machines, here is the link.

http://www.rifewiki.org/wiki/Jim_Folsom_Trial

Dan
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Are people here rifing more frequently for the coinfections -- ie daily for fast-growing bugs? Lyme I understand is less frequently.

Thanks
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks Blue for the ideas. I have tried some frequencies for Pain and Fatigue and still looking into some more..
Thanks Dan for the link and ideas too..

I was wondering.. My machine is set up for sweeps as the basic recommended program settings. I think I should try to figure this out more and obviously there are sweeps of different values and I am not sure what mine is set to.

SO I need to figure that out more.

The Pain I have is all over pain. It is the same pain that set in within in the first months of the major onset of this disease. At first I was bedridden sick like flu and fatigued and never got up. And then within 6 months severe severe all over pain set in. Still on narcotics. Sadly.

I get some joint pain and can feel sharp shooting and some just overall achy too in the joints. I definately feel that more after or during a rife so I feel there is stuff in there.

But. the overall pain that is just head to toe aches and pains I am not sure what will or does help but I know on better days I have less pain .. And less fatigue equals less pain and they ride along together..

SO inflammation is something I concentrate on too and have run some frequencies for that. Sometimes I get relief for a few hours or the night after but it is not sustained.

Keep no keeping on.. I guess.

CD57. Yes I believe overall you are correct and from reading from others the co infection need more frequent treatments than lyme.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
"CD57. Yes I believe overall you are correct and from reading from others the co infection need more frequent treatments than lyme. "

I just possibly had an illustration of this statement. I rifed on Wed am, then missed a session and didn't rife Fri am, didn't rife till Fri night. 2 1/2 days was too long, i was getting an increase of eye pains (subjective, i didn't count).

Then i rifed for Lyme, Bartonella, and Toxoplasmosis, but was too sleepy to continue.

Slept 8 1/2 hrs, woke up very sleepy, groggy, woozy, big fat eyebags, which for me is a Herxish, ; so i was getting a Herxish reaction from die-off of one or all of the above three, and one or all of those---- Lyme, Bart, Toxoplasmosis,----- was causing an increase of eye pains.

This lends validity to my untested belief that the BArt and Toxoplasmosis frequencies are helping treat my eye pains--- or a clue anyway,; so far, it's narrowed down to those three.

CD57 mentioned that Bart grows so fast, that maybe i would be rifing for Bart every day.

So since it's narrowed down to an indication that one or all of those three are causing eye pains and are reacting to frequencies, i should narrow it some more and rife on only Bart or Toxo after a 2 1/2 day wait-time.

Good clue so far!

PS Saturday 5pm,--- i've had NO eye pains so far today, further indicating that whatever was causing increased eye pains was knocked down by rifing for Lyme, Bartonella, and Toxoplasmosis.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 03-13-2010, 05:11 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
My gut Candida is suddenly better,; yet i ate chocolate yesterday! what happened?

One of 3 possiblities:

1)Rifeing for Candida on Wed am , holding hand-bars on abdo wearing rubber gloves, also separately footplates on abdomen lying on floor. Big reaction during and after treatment--- the Candida was Very Angry, Very Loud, creaking, groaning, bubbling, during treatment and 1 1/2 hours after, then another 1/2 hour less loud.
No improvemnt of gut condition the next day.

2) Started taking Spilanthes Usnea herbal blend drops, Herb Pharm brand, from iherb.com. It tastes like moth balls.

3) Took doses on several days of Sanum brand homeopathic Pleo Alb 5x, but also ate caffeine and chocolate on those days, which i've heard (?) nullifies the homeopathic?

PS, i forgot to mention:
4)5) a Diflucan pill on Sunday and Wednesday and a Nystatin dose on Thurs. I don't usually take those because they don't work. Nothing works.

So what happened, and is this for real? Is my awful worsening increasing intractable candida really getting better? What's going on?

Added: maybe everything together, nothing of which works by itself, had an effect?

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 03-13-2010, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
This thread has been so helpful to me. I'm a long time rife user, but I needed some new ideas on rife tx. 2016, seems to me to be attacking cyst form of lyme.

Dan, your posts about wife's wrist and ankles are the first I've seen someone mention this sx that I've had for 10 yrs. This one has always been puzzling to me.

My wrists and ankles, always both when inflammed feel like someone has a rope tied around them and they pull and pull.

I'd like some more thoughts and observations on your wife and your about wrist/ankle?

Thanks, Pam
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Just got my D.T. EMEM in the mail yesterday. I think I'm going to start with getting rid of babs to see if we can at least eliminate one infection.

Last night did just a minute each on 3 babs frequencies (570, 20, 27) and also the 10,0000 detox. Headache noticed today in the morning that went away but not much other than that. Will move up to 1 1/2 or 2 minutes next time and plan to treat the babs twice a week.

What do you think about this approach?

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I am not experienced but would think that 2x week would be great for babs considering its replication cycle is about every 5 days.

I think for bart/BLO it might be every other day -- anyone?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I would treat it as often as you can, and increase the run time to 10 or 15 minutes.

I did not have much difficulty knocking it back, but I think you have to really hammer it good, or it will be back months later.

It is not as hard as Lyme to get rid of, if our experience means anything.

Dan
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks for the input CD and Dan.

Dan, do you recall how many sessions you needed to kick it and how many days between sessions you waited?

I think I recall in this post someone knocked it out in 3 months doing it twice a week for 2 mins per frequency.

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I don't think I ever treated it longer than a week. I would treat every day, allowing little time for it to recover. It reoccurred months later two or three times.

The last time I used the DNA frequencies for Babesia and I am pretty sure it is permanently gone. She does not have any symptoms currently, other than after two or three 45 minute treatments, two days in a row, she will get some Ankle and Spine pain. I really have to work at it to provoke any reaction at all. But since I can get a reaction, I am assuming some Lyme is still there. Not much, but any is too much.

We have these stubborn areas deep in the bone or cartilage that are rally hard to eliminate.

I am going to buy one of the new MOPA devices and see if that will get the penetration I need.

I am thinking that the machines I am using now do not have quite the penetration I need. Realistically, it should only take a few treatments to eliminate any pathogen, once you have the right frequencies.

I think I have the frequencies I need, but not the power and penetration I need. I will find out, one way or another in the next couple of months. I hope I am right.

Dan
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks Dan. Do you think it's worth purchasing the DNA frequencies for babesia? Do you think they are more effective? Or are they too high for the EMEM (goes up to 40,000).

Did you start at 10 min per frequency, or did you work up? Did your wife have any babs herxing such as night sweats or headache or air hunger? I'm so new to this, 10 minutes per frequency seems like such a long time!

I like your idea of treating every day, or at least every other day. I guess if you don't herx much, it is more effective to treat more often.

I will look forward to hearing more about your wife's progress when you have more info. Thanks for blazing the trail!

Thanks again,

tickbattler
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
I tried to run 789,000 on my machine and I thought I broke it (I have an EMEM).

I plugged the numbers in and turned my machine on - the bulb sparked and then did nothing, but it was making a strange buzzing noise. It freaked me out and I cut it off really fast and I was thinking, "Oh lordy, I hope I didn't break this thing..." But then plugged in 27, turned it on and it was fine.

Apparently my machine can't go up that high!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
oh my lauren
thats scary!

wow.

They should not let you input numbers your machine can not handle dont ya think?

Weird.

Love hearing how people are improving. Its great.

I still am trying some new things here and there but nothing to report right now .. that might be useful to others.

About the eyes.. For sure I think TOXO would be your culprit. It was when I treated for Toxo trying to kill the fry bug that my eyes got so much worse and then resolved. Along with eye ball and head aches and brain aches etc. Everything from the neck up!!

Keep at it. Sounds like your breaking through a lot of things.

I read "rubber gloves" .
IS that what you use for your hand held electrodes?
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Tick Battler -- congrats on your new machine. I can't wait to hear about you, your husband & children's progress.

You are right, 10 minutes at each frequency (IMO) is too much. When I first got my DT Machine, I started with the lyme frequencies and did one minute per frequency. If I didn't get a reaction (herx) then I went up to 1.30 minutes, ect. In the beginning, if I didn't get a herx, I waited 48rs to rife again, just to make sure there was no delayed herx.

I was getting herxs at 2 minutes per frequency. Also let it be known, that I herx 24hrs after a rife session.

I know you are excited to get started and it can be fustrating to go slow at first. I think it is better to play it safe.

LL28 -- About 1 month ago, I tried 789K as well, and my machine didn't make a sound. What a scary experience!
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
tick battler, your mail box if full. I need to send you a PM.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Sorry - just cleaned it so there should be room now for messages!
tickbattler
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Spring---- the rubber gloves are for treating my gut candida. I want the current to flow into my gut area.

So, to prevent the current from going into your hands, they tell you to put on rubber gloves and hold the wet-cloth-covered cylinders right on your abdomen, which is the location you are treating. This is the way to direct the current where you want it to go most.

VEry convenient if i don't feel like lying on the floor! And it may have worked! I can't believe it!

3/4 year of candida, nothing works, and all of a sudden, i'm much better, somehthing is working, maybe that big noisy session where the candida was growling like a tortured fox, maybe it had a delayed reaction 3 days later.

(i'm referring to a greek myth or in history where someone is holding a fox secretly under cover and stays silent while it eats his guts out--- what legend is that?)

PS Here's the reference--- In 75 B.C., a famous Roman writer named Plutarch wrote a story about a Spartan boy who stole a fox for his dinner. The boy hid the fox under his cloak and headed for home, but the fox bit and tore at his flesh with his teeth and claws, killing him. From his training, the boy was able to endure this horrible pain in silence. quote from /www.karenrutherford.com/storage/Sample_LTH_Spartan.pdf

In my case , reversed, it is the fox, ie the candida, which is being tortured and killed by the rifing.

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 03-14-2010, 03:46 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Wow thats great about the candida.
I did not know the rubber gloves trick. My machine lets you choose which outputs to turn on or off and If I use wet pads or something on me then I just do not use the hand clyinders or the ray tubes if I choose not to.

Speaking of that.. Can we all chime in on how and what we use for application. Such was what she said about how she treated her candida with the wet cylinders on her abdomen

What other methods or creative ideas do you all have? Or what do you normally do or use as your set ups. And do you wet things or use salt water or not and those sorts of deatails.
I realize each machine is differnet and most likely people have bought different output packages or not have bought any extras at all.

I got a deal because they were late sending my machine and they threw in a bunch of stuff.

So I have
Ray Tubes
Hand Cylinders
Foot Plates
Wet Pads
Sticky Pads
LEDs

And I can run those seperate or individually

For the Foot plates and hand cycliders I have run them with weting a paper towel around it and have tried it with a bit of salt water too. Also the foot plates. But also do it without anything and it seems to work just fine as well and I can control the output power.

Also I ALWAYS use the ray tubes no matter what other output I am using and those go either under my under arms or in each hand or laying on my chest on each side or something to that affect.

With the wet pads they come with cloth covers that you wet down and they are flimsy metal that you can put on your abdomen or back or each side of knee or something like that. The sticky pads are nice for the back or local areas and gives you that nice Tens type reaction to the muscles as well as being able to set up what frequencies to use. Even though i am a bit confused as to if that makes any difference when using stickies.

The LEDS I use on my eyes and face sometimes. Feels interesting and again not sure how each frequencies makes a difference but I do choose the ones I want to use such as healing of the skin or eyes etc.

I would love to hear what others do and how they work this stuff out.

Primarily I am doing Ray Tubes and Foot Plates and that is about 75 percent of the time. The next most common set up is adding in the hand cylinders along with both Ray tubes and Foot Plates. And doing all three.

Then the other stuff I just kind am playing with but are not in my standard protocols. Just trying them out of really.

Thanks all.... Waiting to hear from you..
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Can people please post bartonella/BLO/mystery bug frequencies here?
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Spring, What kind of machine do you have, i forget?

---Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Some lower harmonics of 789,000 are:

98,625
49,312
24,656.25

The symptom she had were bottom of the feet pain. It was more consistent with Bart, but only Babesia treatment would clear it up.

You can run the DNA Babesia frequencies in a lower range. If you order them, ask for the free frequency conversion program. This is worth the price by itself. I use mine all of the time.

I think the DNA frequencies are more likely to work for pathogens than many of the CAFL frequencies. Especially for pathogens that do not have variable DNA spacing.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
SS -- I have a DT EMEM machine and when I first started using it, I would sit about 1-2 feet in front of it and run the frequencies.

Then, about 1 month ago, I read a post by someone else who has a DT machine. They stated that they sometimes put their forehead on the bulb when they are having headaches.

That gave me an idea. So now I use my machine in a different way. I get as close to the bulb as possible. Meaning, I rest my head, arm, neck, stomach, legs, feet, ect... right on the bulb for maximum exposure.

I no longer sit away from it, rather lay the machine on me. I have noticed bigger herxs with this new approach. I am interested in any feedback about my new method.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
DT told me to get 6 to 12 inches away from the bulb. The power goes down a lot by every foot you move away. So, I think the closer the better.

tickbattler
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The closer to the tube, the more power you get.

On an unrelated note, I am wondering if anyone has ever tried the Immunocal product. Someone asked me about it, as a Crohn's treatment, and I had not heard of it before.

It occurred to me that if it works as claimed (big if) it could really help people with Lyme, that have trouble with energy and detoxification.

http://www.immunotec.com/IRL/Public/en/USA/ShowItemDetails.wcp??&Item=00010000&site=Consultant

The fact that many cannot improve no matter what treatment they use, kind of keeps me on the lookout for things that could possibly help.

I prefer a real life test to theory, so thought I would ask.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Polly
I have the BCX ULtra Machine.

It has Ray Tubes filled with gas .. Two of them and then all the other things I listed too..

So As I read the manual they said many people experiment with different ways to apply the options and to give feedback.

So that kind made it hard to know what was best and then I found it written somewhere that someone was claiming when they used the ray tubes along with two electrodes they got the best responses

I dont know for sure..

I would imagine non contact would not be as powerful? But that is from my thoughts and reading and not experience...
 
Posted by Dr.Dave (Member # 24210) on :
 
I have been rifing for Bart and babesia and have been having awful depression herxes. I don't want to take pharma for depression.

Anyone using Lithium Orinate? What brand and how much per day?

I've researched it ,but was wanting some input from the forum. Does anyone have any good experience with it? Thanks

Dave
 
Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :
 
Dan,

For a number of remedies for Crohn's you might like to look at earthclinic.com --> Aliments --> Crohn's.
 
Posted by Dr.Dave (Member # 24210) on :
 
I have a Doug Coil machine and a DT EMEM5. I borrowed the coil from someone who is afraid to use it.

A lady from another lyme forum whom I have been talking to knows Doug McC. and she put me in touch with him. He was very nice to talk to and he gave me some good pointers. He no longer has any lyme symptoms but is still around the machine from helping others so is consistantly treating in a maintenance mode. He is 67 and is still riding motocross with his son. He said he hasn't been sick with anything since using the machine.


Dan..
For cysts he said to try 2110 seems to really affect the joints. Told me to start at 30 seconds and work up from there and let him know if I get any responses. My Lyme is mostly Neuro but let me know if any of you use it and what the response is.

What is the 789,000 number for and can you use it on the DT EMEM if you use a harmonic of it. Eg. 49,312 or 24,656.25

Someone told me to do Bart 2X / day and Babs every other day is that right?? Sounds like a lot to me.

How long to kill off Babs and Bart?

Doug also said that he didn't really know about co-infxns and just experimented a lot ,but gave me these as his favorites:

20-25, 306, 432**, 745 for the gut, important range 780-800, 790* 832*

832Hz is what the Coil folks use for Bartonella and that is what I have been doing and getting awful depression.

Dave
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Thanks Dave, I will try out 2110. I have a lot of confidence in Doug, since he has done the most work on the subject. Much of it under a microscope.

789,000 is an original Rife Syphilis frequency, and it seems to affect some other form of Lyme besides Spirochete form.

Yes, you can use a lower harmonic of 789,000.

I am glad you have found an effective bart frequency. We need some solid frequencies for co-infections.

I think Babesia is not too hard to kill off. I would think three weeks should do it. The more often you can treat, the better. CAFL frequencies seem to work pretty good, but the DNA frequencies are what got rid of it for good.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Sheryl, Thanks for the link. I have no problems with my Crohn's, but I was helping someone else who was in a lot of trouble.

The properties of Immunocal seemed to be near perfect for some of the problems some Lymies are having with the immune system and detoxing. If it works as advertised.

Here is a U-Tube video on it. It sounds real good, but I don't believe nothing until it works in real life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIpPjewsoHM&feature=player_embedded

Dan
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
Dan are you saying that you can treat for Babs frequently? Even at the beginning? Is there no die-off reaction with Babs?
 
Posted by METALLlC BLUE (Member # 6628) on :
 
I'm updating my rife Frequency thread based on Dave's new data from Doug. Thank you Dave for the update.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If there is a die off reaction for babs, it will happen quickly. There is no delayed reaction that I am aware of.

When I treated my wife the first time for Babs, the reaction was immediate, but did not last for very long. Maybe a day, but she has always been able to clear quickly.

I know Babs will bounce back later if you do not treat it often for a period of time. I would treat it as often as you can tolerate it. Once a day if you can.

Dan
 
Posted by Dr.Dave (Member # 24210) on :
 
Dan or anyone else that knows,

I know you have posted this before, but I can't find it.

My machines are limited in range. The Coil can go to I believe 2250hz and the EMEM I don't know if it is 99,999.9hz or lower.

Does anyone know the limit Of the DT EMEM5?

My question is how do you ask her for a frequency, do you give her a freq and she converts it or do you tell her the bug and she gives you the freq based on the limits of your machine.

And could you tell us how to contact her again for the DNA #s

THanks Dave
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can either tell her the range you want for whatever pathogen, or just request the free frequency converter and you can convert any frequency you want.

I would ask for the converter since it is so useful.

Her site is at:http://www.dnafrequencies.com/

I do not have a DT machine,so I am not familiar with it limitations.

Dan
 
Posted by Dr.Dave (Member # 24210) on :
 
Thanks Dan

Does anyone know what the maximum freq that can be run on DT EMEM5.

Dave
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I'm reporting that my gut condition has been NORMAL (as far as i can tell) for 3 1/2 days, Sat, Sun, Mon, and today. !!!!

This is fantastic, amazing! after 3/4 year of worrying gut malfunction, which i've always attributed to Candida.

The cause of this improvement is rifing with the electrodes applied to the abdomen, on various Candida, yeast, and fungus channels and frequencies.

I rifed that way Wednesday 7 days ago and Sunday 1 1/2 days ago.

I am still eating chocolate.

I stopped most of the other variables: no Diflucan, Nystatin, Candex, Sanum Pleo Alb 5x, or Spilanthes Usnea.

However, i still take oregano oil pills, peppermint oil pills, and GSE Grapefruit Seed Extract, since they never made any difference anyway, it seemed to me.

This is amzing! such an intractable problem, apparently conquered by just a little rifing!!!!

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
pam, that's great. Please post your freq you are using for yeast etc. I've never believed I have yeast troubles. But???????

Probiotic seemed to help me. I've also had testing from gastro and a naturopath that did colonics and detox programs that didn't show yeast even years ago after doing 3 yrs of abx.

But I really want to use rife for the final test.

Thanks, Pam
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Dr. Dave,

I think the upper limit of the D.T. EMEM5a is 40,000hz.

tickbattler
 
Posted by MichaelTampa (Member # 24868) on :
 
I have deciced I want to try a rife machine. I got back my IGenex lab results, positive band 41, indeterminate band 39. Also, know I'm battling a terrible fungus infection, and have had improvement with biaxin and augmentin (for mycoplasma pneumonia), and have seen positive results from the Hulda Clark Zapper.

Looking for advice on what device to buy and where/how to get it. Dan, if a decent device can be gotten in the $600 range, I would say that I want to stay out of the $2000-$3000 range, but consider paying some more than $600 if the machine has features that sound more worthwhile than the $600 machine. Perhaps I'm thinking roughly in the $600-$1,100 range?

Really could use some help, where to get machines for this price range, and if there is more than one choice, what is the difference between the machines so I can try to make a good choice. Understand maximum frequency can be an issue, and also how many codes you can program and all that can matter.

Can anyone walk me through the options and how to do it?

Michael
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am starting to direct people to this builder.
http://www.rifemachinebuilder.com/1.html

He builds an EMEM very much like DT's.

I spoke with him yesterday to make sure he is for real. I think he can do the job.

Apparently DT's wife is not too receptive to callers, and the wait time is getting long. He is in his seventies, and I do not want to over burdon him with requests.

There really is no longer a low cost option for a high frequency machine since Rife labs quit building them.

Even a low frequency EMEM can really help with Lyme.

Dan
 
Posted by BTTaylor (Member # 14342) on :
 
I don't think you can generalize on the rifing for Babesia. I rifed two days ago (6 min on 1584 and 5 min on 5776 , plus 4 min on 10K for detox) and am still having a herx. My herx consists of fluish,weakish, feeling, shaky arms, neck ache,and today I had spots on my stomach and huge red area on my shoulder. That seems to be going away now with benedryl. I rifed for lyme last on March 8th. I can't seem to feel good enough to rife for Babesia more than once a week. I still go and do things around the house etc. and go places but actually feel not very good. I tested negative for co-infections with Igenex.

I just don't know how people can rife every day. Its taken me almost a year to get up to rifing over 20 min which I do for lyme now. I really think it has to do with age, immune system and how you detox. You have to be able to read your body. I'm still working on that!

Don't you get sick of people telling you that you look good but inside you feel like crap.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
BTT -- I hear that all the time, 'Well, you look fine.' I am concerned that people are thinking that I am milking feeling sick so I can lay around the house all day. Anyhoo...

I think when it comes to rife, we all have to go at our own pace. And if your pace is rifing once a week for babs, then that is OK. I agree with you that it has to do with all the factors that you listed above.

Maybe in another yr you will be up to 40 minutes for lyme and be able to rife two times a week for babs. We have to remember that this isn't going to be an overnight cure, and that we might have to rife for a couple of yrs.

I am glad you are listening to your body and not over doing it.

I tested negative for Babs thru IGENEX and I herx like nobody's business when I rife for it. Plus, I have really made leaps & bounds in my treatment protocol of Mepron/Zith/Art/Flagyl. That's why I agree that lyme is a clinical dx and not a labortory one.

Hang in there and keep rifing away...at your own pace of course [Smile]
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Frequency: just FYI.
I was told for Lyme - once every 10-14 days. (26-32 days)
For bartonella 1-2x/day (24-36 hrs)
For babesia: every other day. (about every 5 days)

Makes sense based on their replication cycles (in parentheses).
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Frequency: just FYI.
I was told for Lyme - once every 10-14 days. (26-32 days)
For bartonella 1-2x/day (24-36 hrs)
For babesia: every other day. (about every 5 days)

Makes sense based on their replication cycles (in parentheses).
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Report on guts:

Pam, you want to know what frx for gut candida.

I had 4 days symptom free. I had done a lot of candida , yeast, & fungus frx. To introduce some clarity, i stopped some of the other variables.

Wed morning i rifed 13 min on 464 for Candida and 462-466 sweep for candida, plus other rifing, 53 min total. I didn't notice much gut creaking noise during treatment.

By afternoon a hint of relapse symptom, then a relapse symptom. So 464 didn't work (or at least not immediately and directly), and i've had that experience before, that i thought 464 didn't work.

So Wed night, last night, i rifed again, 34 min total, on exclusively Candida and yeast frx, the other ones that i didn't do that morning:

CAFL Candida 10,000 5,000 3176 2489 1395 1276 1169 1044 928 877 812 728 696 580 465 464 381 348 232 116 58 20

CAFL CAndida 464 3176 2644 1403 1151 943 886 877 762 742 661 465 450 414 412 386 381 254.2 120 95 64 20

CANDIDA 442 414 8146 880 8450 877 866 886
254.3 2540 381 661 762 751 742 1151 1146 450 2167 1550 2222 412 543 95 125 225 427 240 2400 650 688 152 2182 1403 675 709 72 422 582 728 7270 803 8300 1016 1134 1153

FUNGUS 823 824 825 826 827 828 829

FUNGUS 331 336 555 587 632 688 757 882 884 887

FUNGUS 943 886 866 1550 784 7870 72 254 422 582 1016 1134 1153 2222 594 880 8450 803 8300 728 7270 20 2644 634 854 776 7660 464

I ran all the above Wed night that apparently gave me a good gut day today, Thurs! I see there are quite a few duplications.

FUNGUS 414 254 344 2411 321 555 942 337 766 1823 524 374 743 132 866 158 512 623 774 222 242 565 592 623 745 933 1130 1155 1333 1833 4442

I did NOT run this, above, set last night--- too sleepy, but i would have if i'd been awake.

There was creaking noise from the gut for 1 hr + after the treatment, a good sign, but gut condition was not all that great this morning, so i'm still waiting for a verdict.

If i get a complete relapse, i'll think that either one of the other variables was working, or a combo of the whole armamentarium, or maybe it needs more time?

Thurs night:-- Success! A good day! No gut problems! So i typed in the numbers that apparently solved my gut problems today.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 03-18-2010, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
pam, I should of told you I have the CAFL freqs, so not to waste your time with those. I thought you could have some additional freqs besides those.

Thanks for the info,
Pam
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi Everyone
I was wondering .. does anyone know anything about the Photon Genie?

http://www.edskilling.com/news.html

And what is the difference between it and Rife machines? Esp the machines like mind that have gas filled ray tubes...

I am wondering about this machine as I came across it again recently.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think the Photon Genie is mainly designed to stimulate the Lymphatic System.

It is similar in how it works, but I do not know all of the details of the machine. Ed Skilling is very well versed on Rife type frequency machines.

Dan
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I can't recall if this has already been discussed in this thread, but has anyone had success or heard of anyone who had success with rifing for bartonella?

It sounds like babs should be pretty easy to kick if treated aggressively but I have not heard many personal reports about bart. I would love to hear some success stories and how long it took to do it.

Also, has anyone used rife or heard of those who have used it to treat OCD? If so, what frequencies worked best and how successful were they?

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I edited my post above and typed in the rest of the frx numbers that conquered my Candida problem today! I had a good day today!

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Thanks Dan

I wonder how it works or if it is just programmed to Treat the Lymphs by making the frequencies and harmonics etc set a certain way
I would really like to know. The more I research the more I really see the rife as a great detox tool and I need a tool like that.

I want to know more. I may call either Ed Skilling and or both him and the manufacter of my machine and see what I can find out.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan and others

Upon reading below quote I am seeing that the Photon Genie is set at 728 and is set with RF Carrier wave of 28,322. Beyond that it says the 728 modulates the 28,322 to create a great range of harmonic frequencies.

That last sentence I am not sure of. Any ideas.
I was wondering if we set up our rife machines in the manner that the Photon Genie is that we may benefit from it.

Since I have RF and Ray Tubes would you think it would be worth paying attention to or trying to set up in the same manner. But I am thinking I must be missing something?

Now upon reading I think the quotes and numbers are older and have since been updated to what some have said are
"Photon-Genie are more extensive and far beyond the frequencies and harmonics utilized in the past."

That is not very specific? But oh well

"Skilling devoted his talents and genius to the design of a unit incorporating the research of Lakhovsky and Rife to produce a healing frequency and also a broad range of harmonic frequencies. Skilling does not strive toward developing units for specific diseases. Rather, he designed a unit to output 728 Hz which is the Rife frequency considered to be the most healing. This frequency is carried on a radio frequency wave to transport it to the body. This works in the same way a radio transmitter carries the signal for a particular radio station so it can be received by a radio in any given area. Skilling's unit operates with a very gentle 100 milliwatts of power, a lot less intense than it's Rife cousin. The carrier wave of 28.322 MHz is in the high radio frequency (RF) band. The 728 Hz modulates the 28.322 MHz to create a great range of harmonic frequencies - up into the Giga Hertz range.

The cells can then pick up their resonant healthy frequency. The immune system can gradually grow in strength, thus allowing the body to heal itself naturally rather than creating an artificial homeostasis through the use of frequencies. Ed's unit became known as the RF Flat Pack or Sound Magi. The design has since been improved and is now known as a Harmonic Pulser.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I just read this article in another post:

See: http://www.lymebook.com/steven-harris

This doctor says he is wary about certain treatments, such as "non-frequency specific Rife machines." Do you read this as meaning that he would not have a problem with a rife machine which allows you to type in a frequency (like the kind we all have)?

I really like what I have read from this LLMD. Just would like to see if others interpret this the same way I do!

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
TB -- I read your link and interpreted it the same way you did [Smile]
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Same Here.
I think he is referring to some of the machines that are electronic but you can not change frequencies and are being advertised to do so much.

And honestly even though photon genie seems to have a good reputation for detox etc I am thinking he means even a machine like that one.

The only settings on it is the intensity of the tubes. So therefore you can not change the frequencies so that you can target this or that infection etc.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It seems that it is more on the order of a Lakhovsky Multiple Wave Oscillator than a Rife type device.

The theory is that by spewing out millions of frequencies, the body will automatically take what it needs and ignore the rest. Basically boosting the cells own natural frequency to hopefully improve health.

It always sounded a little to simplistic to me, but I am no expert on the MWO.

Dan
 
Posted by Dr.Dave (Member # 24210) on :
 
Can anyone tell me the difference b/t a Lyme Herx and a Bart herx.

I am using 832hz for Bart per the Coil users recommendation and am up to 1 minute everyday and not sure what a Bart herx is like. I am gradually increasing the time since I feel bad most of the time.

I also did 448 30secs today which is the freq for XMRV virus associated with CFS per Coil group. My primary symptoms are Neurolyme and Fatigue that is exagerated by exercise.

Has any one tried the 2110 hz that Doug Mc said people were having luck with.

I am applying for Soc.Sec disability soon and need a good doctor in Pa that deals with chronic Fatigue Syndrome my LLMD released me because I couldn't tolerate ABXs. Does anyone know anyone in Pa or have experience with this.

Dave
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dr Dave
Thanks for sharing all the frequencies your trying and your responses and experiences.

I am sorry I do not know how to answer your questions though about differences between bart and lyme herxes. I have though heard that things like neck pain and foot pain and burning are bart.

Also I think I have things in common with you. Or I used to. My doctors were giving up because I was so sick and so much sicker on abx and treatment. I tried for many years. I do not see why your LLMD should release you though because you still have lyme and they should help you find ways to help you.


My Story and situation Goes Like this....

After giving up on abx I decided that I had to at least "try" IV abx before giving up on abx all together. Logic would say i might respond even more severely but as I did research I read people who had varied responses and I figured it was worth the chance.

It was the BEST Thing I have done.! By Far. I did almost 6 months of IV Abx along with a whole big list of Integrative IV therapies and Detox modalities too. Between the IV abx regimin that was every day a few times a day Infusions and the detox modalities that were higher end than my at home regimen it gave me a new lease on this disease.

I no longer have the load I had and the problems I had. I can treat now and not feel horrible. I can rife for hours and not herx. (I did rife as an after care modality and to get at anything the IV abx did not) And that worked and is working for me to keep up on detox and keep zapping any bugs who might be getting the idea to come back. I still have fatigue issues and Pain. I am not cured.!! I had some issues that cut my integrative clinic experience short.

If you read up on other threads you might see I decided to continue the integrative IV abx but am using a New Method of delivery to really get in there to those bugs. I am trying the ITP method of deliverying the meds. SO far as so good.

I might have been able to do this with rife but I would take me quite a bit longer and after years and years of this I am not feeling like taking that route if I do not have to.

I am just wanted to share all this because those of us who are in a group here who have trouble rifing more than a few minutes and taking abx without getting very sick and herxing very badly all have a commonality I think. I think we not only have a high load of bugs but we have a high load of neurotoxins.

So what worked for me was to work on both very quite aggressively. What I want to say too is for some reason I think there are GI issues with us to and how we process abx. When I did IV abx and Do IV abx It is so smooth and if I herx it feel normal and not like I am going to just die if I take another half a pill. I wish I knew that mechnaism but I just know for me IV abx completely took that out of the equation and I could treat and do Detox too.

IF I had to do it over and was not able to do IV I now know I needed to reduce my neurotoxins load and do only that before treating and that alone working as hard as I could until I felt improvement and then once I got ahold of that I would then start treating with Rife and or abx or whatever I responded best to including supplements..

Do you feel you fit that category.?

I would maybe think that the detox and organ support and cleansing rife programs I posted might help you. Because being of that type I posted above I still do those programs every time I rife and as many days inbetween that I can. I am getting to daily now. Its working really well. It has kept things moving and the organs strong and alive and that is so important.

OK I have babbled enough. I hope someone can learn from my story or read it and it might help them in their own journey. I am so happy to have now found my balance and not be or feel stuck.

Its so liberating and freeing. Even if I am not in remission totally or cured etc .. For me that is a HUGE Huge Enormous Step. It took a lot of work and I still have to keep up on it. I am in that group that has to work extra hard and more than normal. But now that I am over that hump keeping up on it is the work.

Let me know what you think and if this story helps anyone at all in their own journey.

Blessings
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
PS

I have added 728 that I wrote about above to my detox regimen

I have been running it all alone for 30 to 60 minutes and it has been working well.

I do get a weird tingling sensation of sorts in my feet. They feel kinda numb and tingly in a way that I have not felt before. Not like when they are asleep. More shooting and moving around and tingly.

Not sure what that is about..
 
Posted by kadee (Member # 21199) on :
 
Thanks, springshowers.

I'm happy to join this group now, since I received my DT EMEM yesterday! [woohoo]

Unfortunately I had to start ABX one week ago, because my Barts became unbearable since stopping Levaquin 8 weeks ago due to floxing.
I'm still unsure, if I can tolerate the Zithro - feel very weird.

My understanding is, that rifing should be done when not on ABX, right? Or anybody has good experience with both at the same time?

Can't wait to start.
Would a detox-program with rifing during ABX make sense?


Thanks

kadee
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi and glad your found this thread and joined us.

I have read and heard that it might be best to not be on abx. But it is not necessary and both can be done at the same time.

Due to my own situation and timing I did and do both together and besides abx breaks always have.

I am planning at one point when I am done with the abx all together to make sure to keep rifing as ongoing support and treatment. I am hoping it will sustain my progress and it already has.

So anyway.

Its up to you and maybe someone else can give an indepth explaination why that has been mentioned.

ANd yes yes yes a detox program with abx and rife or whatever you chooose makes sense.

I just started a detox support thread and a detox program even if your not doing any treatment makes sense and even might be key to helping many get out of the stuck place they are in.

Let us know how it goes.

And talking about Detox I have posted my numbers I use for organ support and cleansing and detox on here a few times. I still use them and they still work great for me.
 
Posted by kadee (Member # 21199) on :
 
quote:
And talking about Detox I have posted my numbers I use for organ support and cleansing and detox on here a few times. I still use them and they still work great for me
Thanks for the input.
Can I start with organsupport full length of time right away? Or do I have to start cautiously like with Lyme just a few seconds?
And the machine should be very close to my body while rifing?

Oh my, so many questions...

By the way, the machine stands on my table and I look at it with so much respect - I didn't dare to turn it on yet. [Roll Eyes] [Smile]
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Closer the machine, the better it works.

You can use it with antibiotics, but you likely will not notice the effect as much. Most of the Lyme normally in Spirochete form is probably dead from the antibiotics or holing up in cyst form.

Since frequencies seem to work the best on Spirochete form, there simply is less to kill off with frequencies when on antibiotics.

It never hurts to start slow with anything new.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Kadee

Yeah you might want to start slow just to see how you react. But those programs for support are more gentle by far and you most likely can tolerate them full amount right away or very quickly.

Dans example is what they talk about for the reason around abx and rife. I though think overall if your on some abx and do rife you can do very well.

Also remember for whatever co infections you may have and not getting treatment you can use rife and it covers other things like virus control and fungal and mold issues and pain and then co infections too.

There is so much you can do and target besides lyme itself and it works well for many things.

I have a list going now of those things I like using it for. Even playing with relaxation and insomnia type numbers at night and falling into deep sleeps like never before too.

Those things help so much as we know and sleep is so important to our healing.

I lately have been putting my ray tubes(ihave hand held contact type) on my spine in the lower back where I have a lot of pain that I think is the bugs.. and my joints have been hurting worse since rife. I put the ray tubes right on either side of the joints and this is really helping the pain.

I think its a healing affect and not just killing. Stimulation of tissues and regrowth etc.
I even find numbers that are specific for that and use them too on damaged or hurting areas.

Lots of applications.. thats for sure
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I not sure but am afraid I may have run the wrong frequencies today. The machine I have (DT) has buttons you need to press for each digit and I didn't realize there was a 1 instead of a 0 in the 10,000 digit when I was running the babesia frequencies, so instead of running 20, I ran 10,020, and instead of 570, I ran 10570. I did this for 27, and 1584 and 76, until I realized it when I got to 10,000 and saw the 1 there already punched in.

I noticed a couple of the frequencies I ran were for cancer. Do I have to worry about anything?

I would like to try to find a list of frequencies in numerical order so I can see what I did run. Does anyone know of something like this?

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Here is the CALF by Number and go to the other link to see it by condition.

I would not worry but I am not sure what the affect would be to run cancer numbers when you do not have cancer?

Maybe someone else will know....
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Here is a very interesting link if you are wanting to learn in depth about rife and see photos and links and much more

http://www.rife.de/index.html
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Here is the reverse lookup CAFL, that lists the frequencies in numerical order.

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CrossReference.htm

The cancer frequecies should not harm anything. Many frequencies are used for more than one condition.

Dan
 
Posted by Sarah182 (Member # 15774) on :
 
I've been rifing since last Oct with good results.

I use the GB4000 and last week I wet the covers and wore rubber gloves to see if it made the reaction stronger. (Had read to do this in the manual)

I have had reactions to the candida frequencies so I did those again last time in addition to what I normally do. Now I am in so much abdominal pain I can barely stand it. It even hurts to eat.

I've had strong reactions before but nothing like this.

Has this happened to anyone else?

I recently started taking diflucan and it's been helping my brainfog and fatigue tremendously, so I'm wondering if I have a lot of yeast. I'm not currently on abx or herbs.

I'm a little worried I hurt myself somehow.
Any thoughts?
 
Posted by Deb133 (Member # 18544) on :
 
Tick Battler,

My daughter did the same thing once with the DT machine..its easy to do since you are putting the numbers in numerically. I'm sure this has happened to many people..I wouldn't worry too much a bout it.

Deb g
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
I'm not posting or checking all the time, but just wanted to note that I am antibiotic free since August 09, still rifing for lyme, babs, and a few erlichia frequencies weekly.

I barely notice a herx now, but I do notice sporatic, stabbing pain in certain joints (wrists, ankles, etc) on certain frequencies.

Brain function is good, energy is good, mobility is good. How do I know? Well, I'm working full time, parenting 4 kids, and I just sold my house and moved. Two years ago I was laying on my couch and staring at the wall.

I've tried a few parasite frequencies, h pylori frequency, strep, staph, etc. just to jazz it up. I don't notice much effect from those extras. I don't really rife to detox- I'd rather use diet for that.

Still so glad this thread it here. Thanks for the info.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am glad you have been able to keep your function up to normal.

Can you recap for us your condition prior to using the frequency treatment?

How much improvement has it brought to you, or is it holding you where you were at?

It sound like you are pretty much where my wife is at right now. She has had no symptoms lately, but I do not think it is gone altogether.

We will be in the Sun on vacation, and she will be getting no treatment for the next couple of weeks. We will see if it starts to flare up. I am quite sure it will.

Thank you for the update. It is good to know about progress or lack of it.

Dan
 
Posted by mandy614 (Member # 16524) on :
 
Hi can someone please pm me contact info for dan tracy? thank you
mandy
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
My Lymie brain is still plaguing me with scheduling my Rifing. Would someone mind helping me? I promise to write it down in my notebook, so if I forget I can look it up there.

I am getting my abx shots every 2.5 wks now. Should I rife every Sat. as I originally planned or should I maybe Rife in the middle of the 2.5 wks. (but on a Sat., so I don't get confused)?

liz

PS Catskill..., very encouraging, thanks for sharing.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I would do your frequency treatment a day or two before the ABX.

By then some of the Lyme may be coming out in Spirochete form, and the frequency treatment may damage some of the Lyme allowing the ABX to finish it off.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Mixed, indefinite results, with treating candida in the gut:

I told you about the time the guts were making loud CREAKING noises, like pulling nails out of old boards, which resulted in symptom free days afterwards.

But the last time i did the whole candida treatment,all the fungus and parasite channels, with the metal hand bars on the abdomen, the guts had NO REACTION like before. NO NOISES. The only noise was during the parasite frx, coincidence or not i don't know, sounds like candida growing.

The last few days i've had some gut relapse symptoms. Not as bad as before, but the noises in the gut do sound like microbe activity.

So what happened? Did all of one kind of candida die, replaced by alternate microbe that increases? or did it mutate, and no longer responds to the same frx? and do i have several parasites as well?

Nenah Sylver warns in her book not to depend on frx to treat candida. So should i start taking the other remedies again as well?

I wish i had a proven protocol.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Try sweeping the Candida frequencies, two Hertz above and below the listed frequencies.

I would say it is unlikely that you can reduce the amount of Candida for any length of time by killing it by any means.

The fungus is so common it simply will grow back, as long as it has the environment that is favorable to it.

We all have it, and about all you can do is keep it to a minimum by not giving it what it needs to thrive.

Dan
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Hi all,

Just curious - has anyone heard any discussion on whether rife could affect sperm count/fertility? I wonder if anyone has ever tested how sperm hold up under the microscope when subjected to frequency treatments? It seems that it would be an easy experiment.

Thanks for any info you may have. I have not heard anything at all negative to make me worry about this, but thought I would ask.

tickbattler
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Dan,

Prior to frequency treatment I had done 1.5 years of orals and a round of IV. I was not working, not driving, not leaving my house except for 1 thing primarily doctors. I did notice a huge improvement on rocephin but I had been told to expect to backslide.

After IV I could drive, still not work though. Now I am working full time, even 10 hour days sometimes. Cooking dinner for the family. Keeping up with responsibilities.

Rife helped me get rid of fatigue, joint pain, major insomnia, eye fuzziness, brain fog, word-finding problems, sound sensitivity.

Now, I have been knocked about a bit for saying it's rife and that's fine. My treatment was a full court press of many modalities, but I am maintaining strongly now.

I know rife made me herx at the beginning and I know it's helping me keep lyme away now. If I go 3 weeks without it I have joint pain and fatigue begin to return.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
HI cats THats great to hear.!! I agree that the RIfe really helps treat and even more so keep things in check and at bay.

I am hoping to keep using it as I make progress in all areas using various things as you said Full court PRess.. and the Rife is my side tool so I do not slide backwards.

Great to hear a nice story of you going from homebound to full time work.

How long did it take you from the time you were sick til back to work full time?
 
Posted by capebite (Member # 9789) on :
 
Lymie lauren your mailbox is full again. What strain of lyme did you have??

Also I can't get K of rifelabs to email back. Is he out of business?

What numbers work best for duncani strain?? Babesia duncani igenex Past positive only slightly 1:20 Recent Babesia Igenex Fish Negative. Neck pain, muscle soreness, exhaustion, night sweats, headaches, blurred vision, shin pain, pain left abdomen on and which I think is spleen. Fry hemobartonella POSITIVE & fry biofilm Positive so probably have protozoa also. Is Fry Bug mimiking babesia?? Or do I have both? Please advise numbers and frequencies for rife. I have coil and dt enem5 machine. I started cryptolepsis powder only 1/2 tsp once a day and BIG reaction. Shaking chills, so much more exhausted. I can't tolerate the artemisin I think due to trouble with p450 detox pathways. Please help.

[ 03-25-2010, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: capebite ]
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Capebite -- shaking chills are babesia per Dr B guidelines I think. The Cryptolepsis should be hitting it too.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I'm rifing twice a day now, if i have time, and i think i get better results and fewer symptoms. Someone said to rife for Bartonella twice a day--- was it spring or Dan? Sounds like a good idea; and i am rifing for Babesia now too. Toenail Fungus rifing is very successful so far.

Candida treatment isn't working too well, i think. Guts are quiet during treatment, then bubble like crazy afterwards. ?? Meaning??

----Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by capebite (Member # 9789) on :
 
Lymie Lauren your box is full. What strain of babesia did you have??

Anyone's help would appreciated. FRy hemobartonella positive. Biofilm positive which indicates the protozoa bug. Babesia duncani past positive igenex 1:20 doc said not positive enough to treat. Neck pain, slight headaches, sweats, pain left abdomen, blurred vision, much cognitive difficulty, much inflammation, back elbow shin pain. Auditory hallucinations at night worse when laft abdomen hurts and sweats. recent Igenex Fish negative babesia. I have coil and DT ENEM 5. NO progress. what frequencioes, how often and how long for duncani, protozoa fry and biofilms?? Has anyone had success with these specifically?
 
Posted by capebite (Member # 9789) on :
 
Springshowers your box is full also..What is your detox regimine. I am also unable to take much of anything PO. See my post above. Would be interested in your protocol that helped!!
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Rifing for Candida and Fungi has possibly been the cause of my good, normal gut condition in the last 2 1/2 days.

I've also used frequencies for

HEMOBARTONELLA FELIS 603 957

MICROSPORUM CANIS 347 970 1644 402 650

MICROSPORUM AUDOUINI 422 831 1222 285

MOLD and FUNGUS 728 7270 880 8450 784 7870 464 886 414 254 344 2411 321 555 942 337 766 1823 524 374 743 132 866

I also took a couple of doses of SPILanthes/USNEA drops, and a couple of doses of Garden of Life brand "Fungal Defense" herbal pills, plus my usual Oregano oil pills, peppermint oil pills, and GSE Grapefruit Seed Extract pills, which seem never to make any difference anyway.

Something helps a lot! I should have started a rifiing a year or two ago.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Sarah182 -- I don't have a GB4000, but the fact that you had such a reaction to the candida frequencies and positive results from Diflucan I would say you are dealing with a yeast problem.

I wonder if Polly's current rifing schedule might be of help for you.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I did more rifing for Lyme this time, since my guts were ok for once, so i skipped the Candida frx.

There were some sweeps, all of which i liked.

LYME sweep 611-613

LYME sweep 611-629, sweep 786-794, sweep 486-504

LYME 432 800 8020 4200 338 344 525 597 644 885 699 345 605 673 758 797 884 1455 6863 6870 625 690 306 432 484 610 533 534 732 690 790 864 630 2016

LYME 640 8554 203 412 414 589 667 840 1000 1072 1087 1105

After that last night, plus Babs, Bart, Toxoplasmosis, and Toenail fungus, i'm woozy groggy today.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
From my understanding only Lyme (and syphilis) makes you herx. If that is the case then can I rife for a long time for Babs or do I still have to go slowly? What is the recommended time?

I have 3 frx listed (I think it is the CAFL list. I don't know if I got those letters right, but you know what I mean). I did 76 today. What are the frx you recommend for Babs?

The reason I am doing Babs is because I am downright sleepy, not just fatigued, for the past month or so. Plus, so many of the Lyme symptoms are Babs, too. According to the symptoms list in a book I have (I forget the name and LLMD who wrote it even though I just had it out today sheesh ) I could have Babs and Bart, too.

liz
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Polly.. OK what is your tonail fungus program numbers again? I can not find them when I skroll up. PRobably right in front of me.

Thanks
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Spring, it took me 2 years to go from sick, sick, sick, to back to work and functioning.

Capebite, you're saying you have no effect on your frequencies, but what have you run?

I suggest going to the CAFL and taking all the frequencies for any tick-borne infection you think you might have. Run them ALL sequentially (one after another) and make note of those frequencies which make you "feel" something like buzzing, stinging, etc.

Then take that reduced list and run those frequencies every week for a month or two. That was my approach.

On another note, I just rifed for strep today and 885 gave me intense jaw tingling and some pain. Hmmmm.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
After reading catskillmamala's post, I received the following link in my email account.

Bryan Rosner's new video...Ideas on sustainable Lyme treatment paradigm‏

http://www.lymebook.com/lyme-disease-the-bacterial-next-door-neighbor

I wanted to share with all of you b/c it is a great reminder that rifing will not be a quick fix for lyme. We have to be careful about having high expectations for feeling 'great' right away after rifing.

It will take patience & time. Slow and steady wins the race.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi I agree to a certain extent to this concept. But. But I have to say. IT was me going AGGRESSIVE that did get the load down and the disease more managable after years and years of this and that.

So though like he said. There is NO ONE answer. But you can not rule out the usefulness of certain approaches at certain times and sometimes aggressive gets you over the hump at least.

It did for me.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I totally agree with you SS, I too have been aggressive with my treatment and I have reaped the benefits.

I have been talkig with some fellow lymies lately that have all been fustrated that they have been treating for a year or so, and don't understand why they aren't 100% yet. OR other lymies who want to be 100% and are treating so aggressivly that they aren't seeing any progress and can't understand why they aren't seeing improvements right away.

I guess what I took away from the video was that it is easy to want a 'quick fix' and get rid of lyme very quickly. I think it is important to put the length of treatment into perspective and that not to get fustrated when you don't see huge leaps and bounds with treating lyme & co-infections.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Spring,

Here are the TOENAIL FUNGUS frx which i run on my GB-4000, which still seem to be working; i believe i would dare to wear open-toe sandals to an art opening this summer, unlike last summer!

LIsted as Trichophytie Nagel:

Primary:
132 142 373 376 378 385 387 420 425 576 578 580 133 581 583 588 592 595 597 724 725 726 750 794 797 801

Secondary:
805 808 809 817 886 2422 6887 7688 7697 7885 584 587 732 733 738 748 765 766 771 777 778 779 1256 381 585 593 812 9493

Trichophyton:

311 414 752 923 454 765

Good luck!

---Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Sun, Mon, i had some of those "revenant" LYME symptoms, peeling-onion or ghost symptoms, that i had a few years ago, that people say re-occur during effective treatment;

or was it more of a relapse, since i'd been neglecting Lyme rifing, only doing a perfunctory 5 min on 611-613 sweep.

I had the "invisible tremors" in my head and some elsewhere, plus at night i had heart arrhythmias where the pulse was taking long (it seemed) waits before starting the next beat.

So on Monday I did an hour of Lyme rifing, on all the frx i mentioned here before, plus all the other Lyme frx other people have mentioned ---

and it worked! (Unscientific, unproven). With scary symptoms like that, I'm glad they went away, whether by rifing or any other variable!

Something is encouraging! I'm really glad that that i can pull out the machine and make the symptoms go away, even if i didn't prove what worked.

PS, later: Today i rifed 67 min but got the heart arrythmias right after rifing, the delays before the beats. My husband said his doc said that indicates stress, the arrythmia is caused by adrenalin. I believe that, because it seemed to respond to biofeedback . The pulse seemed to get normal fast if i just concentrate on my chest and think about stopping the arrythmia.

Also the heart problems might be caused by Babesia, so i rifed 16 min today for Babesia. The reason the babesia is flaring is because i was skimping on my RaintreeAmazon A-P pills, only one pill per dose instead of 2 or 3, because i didn't want to pay the price. Once again i'm shown that if i skimp on Raintree Amazon A-P pills, i'll pay the other price of having a babesia flare-up.

I hope the Babesia frx work, since Dr S says rife doesn't work on Babesia, i heard third-hand.

----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 03-31-2010, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Polly,

Which Dr. S says rife doesn't work on babesia? Can you pm me? I have read at least three different accounts here of people saying that it works. I really hope that it does.

I am doing my own test right now and only rifing with babesia frequencies...and have stopped Mepron. Will see what happens with the testing at the LLMD in 2 weeks. Tests have been positive the past few visits despite being on Mepron for a year.

Which babs frequencies did you use and how long did you go on each frequency? I have been doing 2 to 3 mins per frequency on 76,20, 27, 1584 and 570. Did you notice any herxing after doing the babs frequencies? I have noticed a headache on the side of the head the next day or even 24 hours after the session.

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
If it's the Dr S I am thinking it is -- I get so sick of his negative pronouncements!!
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
I need some help.
My symptoms got so bad I could barely walk. Burning, stabbing pain in my heels that no amount of massage, black cherry juice, or mag would help.

Amazingly ran into someone local that I can rife with. Ran alot of parasite programs and felt better from ankles up but still having problem walking on painful feet.

Yesterday ran 547 program for Rickketsia for 2 sessions and have gone more than 24 hrs 85% better. Virtually no pain in my feet.
Did the 547 range again today 1 time but pain just returned now about 6 hrs later.

The rife is a beamray...about $5k...

I've been researching many sites and books looking for the best rife for the money. Not many answers out there!

What I'd like is a machine that works that well but maybe doesn't cost that much. Please let me know if anyone is having good results another plasma rife that's less expensive.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I had an AWFUL night of INsomnia , heart arrythmias and internal "invisible tremors" (a Lyme symptom).

At 2 am i decided it was a LYME outbreak, so i rifed for 37 min on Lyme sweeps,. But it didn't stop the heart arrythmias. The lyme didn't drop dead instantly.

It's to be expected that i would have an outbreak, 2 months after stopping antibiotics.
But is this rifing going to work?

Now i have to decide--- definitely take a Lyme homeopathic; do i reach for the bottle of antibiotics now?

And maybe this is the time to start using my PE-1?

I didn't start using it yet because i was so content with rifing. But this heart arrythmia is crazy! Selma says only the PE-1 enabled her to completely conquer lyme.

(PS later--- My local doc says the heart skips are common and nothing to worry about. Still, i worry, if lyme is on the loose, is it being adequately treated by rife?)

---
---LoneDove, Pain on souls of feet--- i've read on this forum that it's a Bartonella symptom.
What is "547 program"--- is it 547 Hz, a single frx, or a group?
---
tickbattler---

BABESIA frx --- the usual---
20 27 76 570 753 1583 1584 5776

I resumed taking my Raintree Amazon A-P pills, 2 or 3 pills, 3x per day w food, which stopped the Babesia symps.

I've never had a Babs Herx that i recognized. On Mepron/Zith the symptoms just disappeared. I don't know if there was a Herx, since any bad symptoms i would attribute to lyme.

How long--- I did 3 min each on 3 single frx, then a 5 minute group, then the same 5 min group with rubber gloves and handbars on my abdomen.

---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 04-02-2010, 07:41 AM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by BTTaylor (Member # 14342) on :
 
On those of you who have an EMEM machine do you hae problem dialing in the frequency 76? My machine on the lower frequencies floats between numbers like it is spastic. I am doing that one for babesia.
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
My emem dials in 76 just fine, but for any frequency thats too jumpy I use a higher dial if possible by dialing the lower dial close to the number, say 60 and then using the next dial up to get the frequency up to 76. Does that make any sense?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Wow This thread is growing and changing and I am learning a lot from you all.

Thanks Polly for posting those nail fungus numbers.
ANything special you do like contact right at the feet/toes?

I have gotten close to getting rid of it and then It comes back at me but NOT this time!

And its great to hear people getting results and responses.

I am still able to rife and rife and rife without much response anymore and trying to figure out why and what I can do or if I am doing something wrong or whatever?

I am a bit perplexed by it all this last month.

I may choose one thing to treat and just stick with that for days in a row and see if that induces something and maybe my technique was too wide spread to start with (which worked at first) and now i have to dig deeper with one thing at a time.

So choosing which one? Hmmmm

I think I will try to target that pesty protozoan and keep working on numbers that target them...

It seems to always be that thing left that is hard to get at and seems to be what creates those last symptoms too.
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
pamoisondelune

I hope you are feeling better.

The 547 is 547 hz.

I'm new to this so I apologize for being imprecise.

I'm seriously considering a beam-ray. Went today and did whatever the program was for vertigo which has been a problem lately. I did it a few days ago and yesterday I felt a tiny bit dizzy, worse this morning. Now I feel better.

I'm afraid after I drank a cocacola or 2, my feet started hurting last night. Sugar seems to really feed the lyme/rickketsia/babs/bart symptoms so going to have get very serious about this.

Springshowers - what machine are you rifing with?

Perhaps we could sign the end of our posts with what machine we're using...
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi There LoneDove

I am using the BXC Ultra
Good Idea to sign the end with that to remind eachother what we are using.

That is intersting about Vertigo.

Yes yes. Do not intake sugar. I always feel worse the next day!! Big time. Its bad. My son even noticed a pattern if I even cheat and eat a little dessert he says I shouldnt cuz I will not get up and not feel well the next day> If he notices the pattern and he is 22.. WEll its a pattern! LOL

BCX Ultra
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
I found a programmed set of freqs on my Beam Ray for something I titled Yeastee back in '04. I don't know where I got the freqs from? Since I was seeing a naturopath back then, probably from her.

I've ran it twice the last few days and hit something major. My bowels are exploding within hours of running this 21 minute protocol. Then my GI is calm and functioning as it should with BM a couple hours after each meal.

I feel completely cleaned out, that's in the good way. I'm going to continue a couple more times and then if I continue to see results, I will share this set of freqs with you guys.

I've learned how to muscle test myself. I've tried to give my body other yeast/candida options and it keeps coming up no to them. Big yes on this Yeastee program?

My body knows best!!!!!

Pam
 
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
 
A very well respected top LLD just received a grant to study Rife. He has come to the opinion, after years of doing this stuff, that antibiotics are just not the answer. And this is one of the fairly conservative guys.

He sees people get better but they seem to inevitably relapse. He is frustrated, and has found Rife to be very effective. His concern is the long term effects of it and believes at some point it will cause cancer.

His study is to find out how long it can be safely used before one becomes at risk for cancer. This is exciting news and will certainly be big news in the Lyme community when he finishes the study, which he has not yet started.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Tracy,

I tried to pm you but your box is full. Can you share how he came up with the notion that it can cause cancer? Is this from seeing it happen in those who rife? Or is it just more a theory, as some think cell phone use can cause brain cancer?

Is he doing an animal study or a human study?

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
There is some talk about the DP100 on another lyme-rife forum and I am curious what you all think of this machine. Apparently you don't need to set frequencies with it. It is made by Jim Meissner.

One woman says she was cured of lyme and babs after using it for 3 months, just twice a week.

Any comments, good or bad about this machine?

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I have a visible improvement!

Two vein blemishes are half or 3/4 gone!

There was a patch of spider veins for several years beside a knee; and there was what looked like a bruise, but permanent for several years, with veins feeding into it.

Both are mostly gone. I've taken ginko and horse chestnut for several years, but they never caused any such change.

I assume it's because of rifing for Bartonella on a GB-4000.

BARTONELLA frx which i run as a group channel, 3 minutes on each group, 9 minutes total, for a couple of months:
364 379 645 654 786 840 842 844 846 848 850 857 967 6878 634 696 716 1518

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by kadee (Member # 21199) on :
 
Pamoison, that sounds great!

I'm fairly new with rife here and I need desperately make progress with rifing Bartonella Hens., since not being able to take ABX (due to floxing).

Can you or somebody else explain me, what it means to "run a group channel" in this case:

quote:
3 minutes on each group, 9 minutes total:
364 379 645 654 786 840 842 844 846 848 850 857 967 6878 634 696 716 1518

Can this be done also with the DT EMEM ?

Thanks a lot
kadee
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Why are people writing that there is an issue with it causing cancer "at some point" That is a big thing to write without supporting information or referring us to something we can read or such> I have not been able to find that sort of info and sure would appreciate it if someone could provide that here so we can all read it and learn about it.

THanks
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Gr Gott, Kadee!

No, a group channel can't be run as a group on an EMEM.

Unfortunately the EMEM can only run one frx at a time, (i think).

The GB-4000 can run 8 frequencies together at once, which is called a group.

If you program a string of frx in one or several groups, that's called an autochannel. Then you can type the ID number of the channel, and all the frx run automatically, with no more typing. Very convenient.

Subjectively, i really like the groups in general, and feel they are effective. (I can't prove it).

What are your symptoms?

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Just ran 357 (bart quintana from Nenah Sylver) tonight and noticed ear pain and pain under the chin where you swallow.

I have been running babs frequencies only for the past couple of weeks and nothing was felt during the sessions.

357 was the first time any sensation has been felt during a session.

Has anyone run this and if so, did you get a reaction? Has anyone had success with this frequency?

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Here's a QUOTE:

"
I noticed that back in July I had used 800 and noted "major reaction" in my notes - but I never used it again (whoops).

Sooo, I thought I better give 800 a go again and see what happens. WOW!! About a minute into it I started twitching everywhere. My right leg started tingling and I got a stabbing sensation in my head near the back of my ear. My wrists also started to hurt REALLY BAD. I ran 800 for 3 min total.

I then decided to play around with some other 800 numbers so I ran 832 and 864 for 4 minutes each freq. I had a very similar reaction to both of those - a lot of twitching and random pains.

About an hour later I had to run to the toilet several times because I had bad...you know...

NOW I feel sooo good...almost like I took a happy pill or something and just a total feeling of relief.


I've had increasing symptoms over the last few weeks and I've been rifing and rifing and rifing with basically no results. Of course I was using Lyme frequencies - I thought I was chasing the right thing. No one is more surprised than me that it seems to be Bartonella rearing it's head again.

I took Zith for about a year and it seemed to have cleared it for me, but apparently not completely.
--------------lymielauren"
END QUOTE

So LymeieLauren thinks 800, 832 and 864 worked on her Bartonella.

-----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Here's a quote from Selma--- her list of herbs for Bartonella.

By the way, she lists amargo, an herb bought from Raintree, and she says it kills Babs, Bart, and lyme. It is the first ingredient of Raintree Amazon A-P, which i take for Babesia.

QUOTE:




Some people are writing me to ask what I took for bartonella. I'm just copy-pasting what I wrote in Buhner's forum. Remember this was 'created' by myself only using energetic testing (kinesiology). I'm not a doctor.

I suffered from chronic bartonella since 2005, got reinfected recently in May with acute bart.

I thought I got rid of it, but yesterday I went to my lyme doctor who also does energetic testing (ART) and he couldn't find it initially. I told him, 'check if they're not hiding'.

He couldn't find borrelia, nor bart, nor mycoplasma, babesia, intestinal candida, nothing. He then checked at the back of my skull and then found finally: bartonella, borrelia and ehrlichia. Nowhere else in my body, he could find tick-born pathogens.

He was amazed to see how well I got, he said he thought I was going to fall downwards after the recent reinfection. He said he's NEVER seen someone with chronic lyme getting better so fast after reinfection like I did. I feel great, I'm hiking and kayaking again!

My killing protocol was designed this time 100% by myself, only using kinesiology.

Anyway, I'm still not rid of bart, still taking things for it, which I'll add in the end of this copy-pasted post. I had it all over my body, joints, muscles, now it's reduced to a small part of my body.

--------------
Here's then my bartonella protocol, aproximately:

- phellodendron, decoction 5-7 minutes: gets bart and many other pathogens

- artemisia annua decoction (separate from other decoctions): about 3 teaspoons if I remember well: cook it for a while (about 5 minutes?):
it gets bart.

- astragalus test good against bart: I took decoctions and/ or Planetary formula (about 1-2 pills a day)

- bee polen: gets bartonela (plus borrelia cysts and bab's cysts); I took if I remember well, about 2-3 tea spoons a day diluted in water/
soya milk

- lonicerae caulis, decoction 7 minutes: gets bart and babesia (I took it in the very end only)

- KMT program 1

- frozen garlic: 2 -3 a day (can't remember)

- amargo (rain-tree): gets bart, babesia and borrelia: I think I took about 2 "00" capsules a day.

- immunomodulators that may help: cats claw, jap. knotweed

- isatis, folium & forsythia test good against bartonela, but I didn't take these this time because phelodendron + frozen garlic +
lonicerae were good enough (I didn't need to add isatis/ forsythia).

Remember that I was my own 'doctor', so no one prescribed me these stuff, I tested amounts by myself and showed to my doctor who told
me: "Go on". He re-tested for me (ART) the new herbs I never had taken before, phellodendron tested very good. I'm skinny and very
sensitive to herbs/ medicine, so 'normal' people would need more, I guess.

Very 'constant' herbs in this second reinfection for me were (including other pathogens, not only for bart though):

- cats claw, whole herb
- Japanese knotweed decoction
- phellodendron
- gardenia
- gervao (rain-tree)

These herbs tested good for a longer period of time (I'm now still on cats claw, knotweed and gardenia). Andrographis didn't test good,
only for a few days!!! I took it more than a year for my first borrelia infection and it kept testing good, but not this time!

Selma
-----------

Now (end of August 2007) what is testing against bartonella that I'm taking is:

- Japanese knotweed decoction

- phellodendron decoction

- eleutherococcus in powder (2 teaspoons a day): gets most of the infections indirectly (it's a profound tonic to the system)

Selma
------------------
I'm just pulling this thread up as people keep asking me what I did for bartonella.

I attacked bart 3 times. First time was by the end of 2006, but I didn't win the battle (I was using Rizols and other stuff I forgot, it must be here in lymenet though). It didn't do the job completely until May 2007, when I was awarded new bart re-infection....

I naturally fell sick very fast, because the tick bite came fully infected with ALL pathogens that my doctor tests energetically. My doctor said he has seen that before, so I didn't win a troffee.

Then I decided to go on an emergency attack as I naturally got scared, as I felt quite sick again and that's what I wrote here up in this thread.

I got rid of bart then chronic + acute infection with this treatment above. It took sometime, but not too long as I was expecting. Then I went into remission of lyme and co-infections for about 4 months.

But bart went away AFTER babesia was gone. I always need to get rid of babesia first before I get rid of anything else, as I get fully symptomatic of babs and that knocks me down. That's what I did, and my babesia protocol is also written here somewhere (under "alternative babesia herbs" or so).

Then about November, after not sleeping more than 4 hours a day for a month due to a job I was doing at home, I relapsed lightly. From borrelia, bart, and rickettsia.

But it was very easy to get them again under control, I even didn't address bart specifically, I was more concerned with rickettsia as it was the only thing that was giving me symptoms (heart). But fortunately, it was also very short lived and again, I'm on about a month or more symptomless from lyme and co-infections.

My only treatment now is a preventive treatment: 1 capsule astragalus AM, 1 capsule cats claw AM, then some supplements just once a day like: chlorella, propolis drops, calcium, magnesium, Vit D, trace minerals. Sometimes milk thistle tests, and I take it, but it's about 2-3 times a week only. That's all.

I even got a chronic skin fungal infection under control that I got for more than a decade (pre-lyme), every winter. Still not sure it's really gone, as I'm still on foot baths, but I'm symptomless from it (except for a dark purple skin on previous local of infection on my hands and toes).

I'm doing no anti-candida diet anymore, taking alcohol socially, and I believe, even if lyme comes back because I do stupid things (like not sleeping for a month), I feel it won't be a big deal anymore IF treated fast. If untreated, I'm pretty sure I'll fall very sick again as I still don't trust my immune system.

My whole bart treatment didn't cost a lot as all these Chinese herbs cost very little in bulk. It's just time consuming, difficult schedule, but as for cost, it's reasonably inexpensive.

If anyone is willing to try the herbs, please try to read about them before and/or get someone to test them energetically. That's what I would do. ---selma
------------------------
Up, as more people asking me what I took for bartonella.

It seems it worked as I don't think I fought bart like I did during this time. This was then my last fight with bart, that I remember.

I might have gotten it 'testing' one time or another by my lyme doctor, but assymptomatic and anyway, it went dormant easily.

The time I had to use all these herbs here was definitively what made my bartonella load very weak or dormant. ---Selma
---------------------------
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Here's a quote----- he thought Deseret Biologicals homeopathic series helped his Bartonella....

QUOTE: ----

Deseret Biological Bart remedies gave me the biggest herx. It's the only bart treatment that has given me a herx.
steelbone
Frequent Contributor
Member # 14014

UNQUOTE
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Polly -- I just noticed the 'spider viens' on the side of my knee as you mentioned in your above post.

Do you think this is Bart? Do you put your rife machine right on these spots?
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Summer--- That's amazing!

I never thought it was Bart before, but since it is clearing up, i'm thinking it is Bart, because i know Bart affects the skin and blood vessels, and i have several other strange skin and blood vessel anomalies.

Why is it clearing up after several years of not clearing up--- what's new---- well, rife is the major new introduction; i'm suspecting rife as the cause of clearing up. Of the things i'm rifing for, Bart would be the first suspect for something affecting skin + blood vessels.

I'm not doing any specific "skin" or "veins" frx.

No, i didn't at all put the machine on those spots.

Of course, Lyme also affects skin and blood vessels.

How long have you been rifing for Bart?

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by kadee (Member # 21199) on :
 
Thanks so much, Pamoison.
So I'll have to find these herbs in Germany additionally to rifing.

My Bartsymptoms: Jointpains, myalgic pains, burning sensations (especially feet), heart pain, headache/pressure on top, agitation, little sleep, panic/fear, numbness, tingling....
All this had mostly gone under Levaquin, but came back after stopping it.

[ 04-04-2010, 06:16 PM: Message edited by: kadee ]
 
Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :
 
Any user reports on the Doug coil? I wonder whether they have all been healed and are no longer around.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Polly,

I have been rifing for Babs & Bart for 2 months, every other day for 4 mins on each of the following frequencies:

Babs: 76, 570, 20, 27, 1584
Bart: 10, 357, 364, 379, 645, 832, 6878

I never noticed these red veins before...just noticed them the same day I read your post.

I have noticed since using my rife that my skin is a lot smoother (feels softer) and the rough spots on the bottom of my feet are gone. It is so weird.

Thanks for your posts -- they are very helpful.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
summers,

Have you noticed improvement in symptoms? Do you feel anything during the sessions? Which strains of infections have you tested positive for, if any?

Thanks so much for posting your protocol. Would love to hear if you think you have knocked the loads down.

Are you also rifing for Lyme? I have only done babs and bart so far, so I can see what response I get to rifing for each infection.

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
TB -- I tested negative for co-infections of babs & bart. But both my LLMD & I know that I have them due to symptoms.

When I rife, I don't feel anything, I just feel the herx after sometimes 12-24 hrs later.

I have noticed a lot of improvement in my symptoms. Less brain fog, more energy. BUT, I have been treating Babs really aggressivly w/Mepron, Zith, Flagyl & Larium.

So to be honest, I don't know if it is the abx or rife....or Both. I do respond well to abx.

When I first started rifing, I used more babs & bart frequencies, but with my DT machine, it took too long, so I kinda picked these numbers from the list.

I rife for lyme, every Tuesday for 4 minutes on the following frequencies:
432, 612, 690, 800, 4328, 2016

I was told you only need to rife once a week for rife, but I would be open to rifing more like twice a week if anyone has any input.
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
BTT, I didn't have any problem dialing in 76.


As far as cancer goes, rife is used for cancer, so that is confusing.

liz

EMEM
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Here's something really terrific to rife for!

Aflatoxins! I never would have dreamed!

AFLATOXIN 344 510 943 474 476 568 2489

ASPERGILLUS (mold that makes aflatoxin)
1823 247 1972 524 758 374 697 339 743

I had resigned myself to certain death because i eat peanut butter; so now every time i eat peanut butter i should run up and rife for how long? Where is the Professor of Rifing?

Would it work just as well to carry a Clark-type zapper and zap those numbers in case of peanut butter?

Aflatoxin is a chemical! Are the rife waves going to break up the molecule or something? Is there documentation for this?

-----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
It's about 12 days since rifing started and I feel so much better. Not perfect but much better. I can walk, clothes are looser, not so itchy from parasites, not so tired, heels not killing me. Haven't herxed much after first 2 days. Have been sleeping a lot but it's a good sleep, because I can't get out of bed from crushing fatigue but just cuz I feel sleepy.
Have been doing programs for parasites, rickkettsia, obesity, pain.
Still need to run for thyroid, lymph nodes, ebv and lyme.

My sister said I looked different like I had more energy and my face looked not as stressed.

Interesting journey.

beamray
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
LoneDove -- skin itchy from parasites? how do you know this?
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Rife is working.

One morning i had a heavy ominous woozy feeling, i assume Lyme. I rifed for 15 min on Lyme sweeps, plus 40 min on other things, and the head symptoms stayed away for 8 hours, but some eye pains after 6 hours.

I've changed my number 1 Lyme sweep from 611-613 to 612-614.

In the last 2 days i've rifed twice for Candida, Mold, Fungi, and Yeast, many different groups of frequencies, w rubber gloves, holding the bars on the abdomen.

The treatments did keep the worst symptoms away, not too bad gut condition, while continuing chocolate.

I wish i had an ND or any doctor who would give me a cut-and-dried, guaranteed Candida protocol. The rifeing is effective enough so that i would be willing to do a complete Candida diet for 4 months or whatever, as long as it's guaranteed to work. I do not eat meat, so it's hard if i'm not allowed to eat my protein sources such as peas or peanut butter.

Here's a frequency series i used, which made my BRAIN feel clean and cleaner:

430 620 624 840 866 5148 2213 19180.5

I ran them as a group (simultaneously) on my GB-4000.

I've been rifeing an hour or two per session recently, even twice a day--- i believe the results are better.

However, i'm getting tired of being hooked up to these cords; so much time is not sustainable. The results so far don't seem to give any hint of a knock-out blow! It's just maintenance. Yes, i'm 100% functional and OFF ABX.

Nothing gave me a knock-out blow--- not ABX, or herbs, or rife, just more maintenance and more time. I never went into remission. Just low-level symptoms to keep down.

I guess it's time to start using the PE-1 with homeopathic nosodes, as Selma used them. It's said to take far less time. She credits it for a 100% cure of everything.

Also i could acquire a plasma-tube type rife machine so i could read a book more easily, like a BCX Ultra?

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Hey fellow rifers,

Anyone ever rife to address acute tick bite? I was bit by a tick on Sunday and rifed on Monday, including holding the hand wand against the red mark on my leg. I "feel" fine, although the bite looked nasty, red and seemed like it could "grow" it hasn't.

I'm still really nervous and wondering if I should do a course of abx just to make sure. Remember, I have already had lyme/babs, done 2 years of orals and a course of IV- so I really don't want to be gone again.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Catskillmamala -- I come from the camp, 'better safe than sorry.'

If it was me, I would go on abx, rife the spot where you were bit, and I would 'up' my rifing schedule.

There is no way in h^!! I would take the chance to be reinfected. If you aren't against oral abx, then add a course of it.

Keep us posted
 
Posted by kadee (Member # 21199) on :
 
If the spot was infected (red), I definitely would do ABX. You never know which bacteria was transferred. These ticks carry so much garbage.

I tell from experience. [Frown]
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
Has anybody seen the New GB4000 machine? It runs multiple frequencies at a time, has a wide frequency range, and an amplifier: what makes it better than the machines y'all are currently using?
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Hi PSR --- that sounds like my machine, my GB-4000. What do you mean by new?

It's better in that it runs multiple frequencies. I appreciate this immensely. I IMAGINE (i'm not an expert) that all those multiple frequencies are hitting bugs that may have changed their skin a little.

I IMAGINE that it's knocking down bugs a lot better than single frequencies. Also it does decimal frx--- do the EMEMs do decimals?

I.E., a lyme sweep 612-614 runs all the numbers plus decimals from, e.g., 612.1 through 613.9. My body reactions are telling me this is good.

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I've figured out how to do this so it's time-efficient!

I can't believe it took me 4 months to realize this!
Duh???

It's ridiculous to use the hands to hold the handbars when they could be turning pages of a book or writing!

I should just sew two little armbands to hold the handbars on my lower arms, like an IV hookup.

I can't believe they didn't even include the armbands in the kit!

Plus, the 3d bird, i should sew a shoulder-pouch, balanced front and back, to put a 10 lb set of ankle weights in. Then i should put the weight sling, balanced front and back, over my shoulders while sitting , to get my spine weights, for osteoporosis, which i had stopped doing.

3 birds with one session! It makes it all doable!!

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by kadee (Member # 21199) on :
 
Polly, I used Velcro to fix the handbars of my "Biowave". That made the handling very easy.
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
Hey Polly"
I got an email from a rife company with a blurb saying there was a "new" GB 4000, with demo video. Did you pay $2300 for this? THat just seems like a staggeringly high amount of money, though even with my little forays into rife have showed that it might be worth it...
 
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by j_liz:
BTT, I didn't have any problem dialing in 76.


As far as cancer goes, rife is used for cancer, so that is confusing.

liz

EMEM

Radiation is used for cancer, too. It also causes it.
 
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by springshowers:
Why are people writing that there is an issue with it causing cancer "at some point" That is a big thing to write without supporting information or referring us to something we can read or such> I have not been able to find that sort of info and sure would appreciate it if someone could provide that here so we can all read it and learn about it.

THanks

There is no supporting information because a grant has just been given to study it. The study is just starting. The info is not available yet, as I said in my original post, a top LLMD is starting a study on it. He has been given a major grant to study it. He believes Rife is very helpful but at some point, pretty long into it, it becomes a risk and is GOING TO study it to try and pinpoint just where that point is.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Polly Great Ideas. I have the BCX so I can put the ray tubes under my arms. But I also like to use the foot and hand electrodes all together now because it is more effective. In my reading I read of many who do just what you wrote. Rigged them to be tied to their arms or ankles or where ever..
Great Job... and I like to kill many birds too at once and can do the foot bath at the same time if I am feeling really brave and well its a funny sight!


Tracy. Thanks for the response. I am assume when you say "at one point" that means after a certain amount of time?
Meaning maybe we do not want to push it or treat too continuously and for too many like years?

I would hate to think that in the end it caused cancer for some reason.

If there are grants there must be cases or reasons they believe this. Are there any references or documents anyone knows of?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Here is a picture of the new MOPA amplifier that will work with the GB-4000.

http://futurefrequency.com/component/content/article/3-front-page/62-mopa-amplifier-replica

I am likely going to have one built, and see if the increased power will eliminate the remnants of the Lyme from my wife.

We have been on vacation for two weeks with no treatment until the other day. Her symptoms were pretty minimal, but some ankle pain did come and go. We were in the Sun a lot, so I expected worse.

A friend of mine treated her yesterday with a more powerful EM+ made by Bruce Stenulson.

The difference was that when he treated her, she would feel pain in her ankles and knees, and then the pain would stop. One ankle did not stop hurting during treatment, but all other places stopped hurting during treatment. I do not get that effect when I treat her with the GB-4000 or Rifelabs EMX, so I thought that was interesting.

She is in some pain today, as die off appears to have taken place in the hips, knees, ankles and spine.

I am thinking the increased power had much more effect than any of my present machines would have.

Now I just will wait and see if symptoms come back again, or not. I expect they will with only one treatment.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Tracy9's information gives me the picture that this famous LLMD knows people who have been rifing for a long time--- how many people? how long?--- and that some of them got cancer--- how many?

It sounds like the source of his inspiration. Where else would he have got an opinion that rife could cause cancer?

Has he been rifing cell cultures and then microscoping and found changes?

PS If this is the doctor i'm thinking of, i PERSONALLY wouldn't give a lot of trust in his correctness, to start with, based on treatment attitudes and choices in areas outside his specialty which i thought were not correct for me; but i don't know which doctor it is.

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 04-11-2010, 05:20 AM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
After treatment with the Stenulson EM+ machine, the swelling in my wife's ankles went down to its lowest point since she was infected. We could see an ankle bone that had not been seen in years. The next evening the swelling increased a lot.

The next day the swelling was down to a new low. There is still a circle of swelling, like a water pocket just under the skin.

In a few more days I should know if this effect is from killing Lyme, or just a physiological effect of reducing swelling. No swelling frequencies were used, but just running these machines seems to stimulate the circulatory system, so I will wait and see what happens.

I am suspecting that my machines are not powerful enough to kill all of the Lyme, but I have not conclusively proven that to my satisfaction yet.

That is what I am trying to establish.

Dan
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
I broke my ankle and lower leg 2x on same leg about 10 yrs ago. It's always been swollen. My ankle and the top of my foot is always puffy. Since rifing about 2.5 weeks ago the swelling is down so I can barely tell a difference from my other ankle and foot that was never injured. Not sure what program helped the swelling though.

I'm rifing on alot of things. Going to start a journal. But this machine does work. Yesterday rifed for parasites again but my dogs around and they were expelling gas and needing to go outside to go potty more than usual after rifing . Nothing in their diet had changed and they normally never have gas problems.

beamray
 
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
I read that the really low frequencies ar ebest for Bart.
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by richedie:
I read that the really low frequencies ar ebest for Bart.

I use 547 hz.

What machine are you using? Mine has a program for rickkettsia and from what I understand it's same or very similar to bart. It's helping the burning, stabbing pain in my heels. I can walk now but it's not fully gone yet.

beamray
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
This is so cool!

I had about 5 places on my face near my jawline. They were like moles but flat, slightly reddish. I've had them a couple of years and nothing got rid of them. There also was a round, flesh colored flat thing on the tip of my nose. That I asked a dermatologist about and he said it was nothing to worry about and he didn't have anything to get rid of it.

THEY'RE GONE!!

I looked tonight and there is a slight red places on my face with a little skin around it like they just fell off!!

There is still a pale brown, mole thing flat but with sort of little blister things under the skin low on my left cheek. I'm going to watch that and see if it disappears.

The only problem is I've run so many programs, I don't know what got rid of them. One day, we ran a skin cancer program with another friend but that was just once a week ago.

Wow, this would be awesome if I could get my beautiful complexion back. I even went 1.5 yrs ago and got 1 laser treatment at a medical spa but it didn't make in difference in these places.

Beamray!
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LoneDove -- Your post is very interesting to me.

I posted on something somewhat similiar, a while back, that since I have started rifing, that the bottoms of my feet are really smooth.

They used to have all these rough spots and there is a joke amoung my friends that when I would get a pedicure, that they would have to bring out an electric saw to sand down my feet.

It was like the rough spots were peeling/falling off the bottom of my feet.

Well no more. I have also noticed (and my husband too) that my skin is SO SOFT I am talking new born baby soft -- it is really weird, this is all since starting the rife. And I only rife on lyme, bart, babs and some parasite frequencies.

I also use the rife for my menstrual cramps, it works!

DT EMEM5a
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
LoneDove,

Would that skin cancer frx work on an EMEM? If so, would you let me know what the frx is?

My brain is struggling with this next question, I don't know how to ask it. Does one frx work the same with all of the different rife machines (like what I asked above)? I hope that makes sense.

liz
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
So my little stereo amplifier and TENS pads are doing something: I have been setting it to Bart & Babs frequencies and not feeling anything: til I add 30 seconds for Lyme cysts (2016). Then I experience tremors, depression & anxiety, and increased nerve pain symptoms. I rifed Saturday night: it is now Monday & it feels as if the reaction is finally fading...it is really rough & I may just go down to 15 seconds next time.
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by j_liz:
LoneDove,

Would that skin cancer frx work on an EMEM? If so, would you let me know what the frx is?

My brain is struggling with this next question, I don't know how to ask it. Does one frx work the same with all of the different rife machines (like what I asked above)? I hope that makes sense.

liz

Liz

1) I'm not sure if it was the skin cancer program that made those mole like things fall off my face. I only sat under it 1x.

Also, not a doctor, but maybe there are different frequencies for different types of skin cancers?

I've been running programs for Epstein-Barr, parasites, rickettsia(bart), adenovirus mainly.

2) I've never seen the EMEM machine. I am no rife expert but trying to learn. I think some rife machines have to be in contact to your skin and some like the beamray you are free while sitting under the light & sound. I would think the freq's would be the same. Also, I think some so called rife machines aren't really rife but mag pulsers. I own a mag pulser and it helps pain but not sure how good it is to target and kill microbes.

beamray
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
But do you have a skin cancer frx? Because I have skin cancer and would like to try it. One area keeps coming back, too.

liz
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by j_liz:
But do you have a skin cancer frx? Because I have skin cancer and would like to try it. One area keeps coming back, too.

liz

What kind of skin cancer do you have?

I don't have a emem machine so maybe so emem owners can help here. I can pm you on some freqs though if you be more specific.

Of course, I'm not a dr.
 
Posted by Tracy9 (Member # 7521) on :
 
I don't know very much about the study, only that he is now recommending Rife to his pts and thinks it is very promising, but does think at some poing (not in the beginning, pretty far along) it might be a cancer risk, and wants to find out what point that might be at.

I'm sorry I don't have more details; he is a top LLD and a top researcher, and extremely thorough, so I know we can trust his results. Furthermore the study is funded. I see him next week so if I can find out more I will. I just thought it would be good to know this is being studied, not to scare people but to make them feel safe that it is being looked into in relation to long term risks.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The type of Rife machines in use today have a very spotty track record as far as Cancer treatment is concerned. One reason is probably because they are not the same as an original Rife machine, which was a high voltage low current device. The only one available at this time that replicates the original is the new MOPA amplifier, and no one has tested that as of yet.

I do not dissuade anyone from using one for Cancer, but I would use it in conjunction with other treatments to increase your odds of success.

Many have had spectacular recoveries, and many have died of the disease using frequencies. We just cannot reliably achieve the same results as the old machines. Hopefully that will change now that we know how Rife's original devices worked.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
My Mom wanted to buy one but I told her to really think it through and research it because of exactly what Dan said. It is one thing to work on these bugs and another to kill cancer. Even though I believe bugs come to get you while you have cancer and rife can help with that and organ support and detox etc.. It could be benefitial but not what I would think dependable for curiative action.

She choose to spend her money on some new blood tests somewhere in Greece I believe that helps you know which meds you will react best to.

She is doing IPT and there fore has the same issue as many how have to figure out which meds are best along with the other IV treatments

Like Lyme its all trial and error but they are racing the clock.

She may do a trial using mine to see how it goes. I have a specialized cancer protocol from a doc who was so kind to give it to me.

So has anyone read about any dangers of people to run cancer numbers if we do not have cancer that we know of?
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
After reading Neyna Sylver's "the rife handbook", I think perhaps it was running candida program a few times that made those mole things fall off my face.

According to her book, you can get mole like things on your skin that are yeast related.


beamray
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If you do use it for Cancer, make sure you sweep the Cancer frequency. It was recently revealed that this was how it was done originally. The measuring equipment in Rife's time was not accurate enough to nail down the exact frequency.

Sometimes people feel the effect, they get a warmness or other sensation that is unusual in the area of the Cancer.

IPT is a good treatment, and so is Low Dose Naltrexone. I would do LDN in a heart beat for Cancer. It would be the first treatment I used, although I already take it for Crohn's.

Dan
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
I am seeing a dermatologist for the skin cancer. The thing is, the one type I have, actinic keratosis (which is called a pre skin cancer, but I was told is a misnomer, it is stage one) keeps coming back. I have had it burned 3x's and used chemo cream another time. This time it is finally going to be biopsied (a little over due).

The other cancer was squamous cell carcinoma.

I read just recently, and can't for the life of me remember where, that some believe cancer happens because of a virus. That is why I want to rife. I will continue to be treated by the derm., but want to do rife to prevent more.

Thanks for all the input.

liz
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Liz--- Thanks for mentioning.

I have an actinic lentigo which my dermatologist said would never become melanoma. Maybe i should dig deeper!

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar knotweed
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Here are some frequencies listed for Clostridium difficile:

387 635 673

Do they work?

It could save some people a lot of trauma if they really work!!

So DO they in fact WORK?????

----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
Pam

I don't know if those work but these are things that are working after trying many other remedies including whatever dr.'s had to offer.

To recap almost 3 wks of rifing on beamray with sweeps:

1- works on rickkettsia/ barts - from unable to walk and lots of pain even laying down to 75-80% no pain. Walking easy now from semi-invalid state

2) candida /yeast- taking mole like things off my face, not so itchy, peeling skin

3) parasites- again not so itchy, 90% less bumpy,rash

4) epstein-barr virus - had herx. Feel better

5) borrelia- not seen any reaction that I notice

6) bronchitis - ran on my sister w/terrible hacking cough, chills, shaky last night. Right away under beamray reduced cough by 90%. About an hour later she had herx headache then went to sleep. This morning she's not hacking, felt great, had energy, went on walk. Now it's 4pm and she's not here, just called and said she's feeling rundown again, shaky, coughing. Has been taking whatever she could but nothing helping like beamray yesterday. She's coming over tomorrow morning for another session.

7) strep - taken away slight sore throat

These things have worked in last 3 wks.
[woohoo]

beamray
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think you have probably illustrated part of the problem of treating Lyme that can easily be over looked.

Unknown co-infections are part of this disease often enough that it impedes progress, just because we are not aware of their presence.

Not just with Lyme, but I also had a reaction to XMRV virus that through treatment appears to have changed my intestinal function. I do not have Lyme, but have Crohn's Disease. From reading a report here on the possible XMRV virus involvement with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, I decided to test its involvement with Crohn's Disease.

I did react to it, and I cannot say it cured my disease, but it did have an effect that I would never have expected.

I guess that is the beauty of this method as it allows you to treat multiple possible infections with one modality available to anyone. Its reliability is not what it should be, but we will learn more as more people use it.

I am happy to hear of your success. I wish everyone could benefit as much as we have. Maybe as we unravel the mystery behind Lyme, we can get better results for everyone in the future.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
LoneDove -- what are the frequencies that you rifed for EBV? I have a sneaky feeling that I need to tackle that.

Dan -- Thanks for reminding me about the XMRV virus. I am getting what I think is a more powerful machine this weekend and I want to use it to target XMRV as well as use the DNA frequecnies.

Currently using DT EMEM5a adding a Ultimate B3 this weekend.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
My wife did not react to the XMRV treatment as I did. I do not think it was an issue for her, although she is the one with Lyme. My son did respond as I did, and my daughter did not respond at all. Both have autoimmune diseases.

The XMRV DNA frequencies did bring on a case of Shingles for my wife, and I am sure this could happen to someone else also.

Dan
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
From wikipedia:"XMRV is closely related to several known xenotropic mouse viruses. These viruses recognize and enter cells of non-rodent species by means of the cell-surface xenotropic and polytropic murine leukemia virus receptor (XPR1). "

Just what I need another virus! Lord knows, living in the country, I've been around a mouse or 2.

But I do not understand how in the world a rife that obliterates microbes could cause shingles? How do you know the rife machine is the causitive agent? Two, how would that even would be possible? How would killing off XMRV virus cause the herpes shingles virus to proliferate? I not saying Dan's wife didn't get shingles but I do not understand the mechanics of how that would be possible.

I know when I rife for something I may feel twinges, pains but then I feel better. For instance, last night I was rifing for rickkettsia/bart and my feet were burning & hurt more than usual but this morning my feet were 100% normal. NO PAIN!! I could walk perfectly normal!! It's been months since that has happened!
Ok, sorry I get excited! [woohoo]

Also, small moles on my body are peeling off. It's amazing.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Lonedove, What frequencies are you doing that make your moles fall off? Mine haven't fallen off.
----

I rifed on GINGIVITIS frx and it worked!

I had a section of sore gums. I was going to make a dentist appt. Then i rifed, and didn't make the appt.

GINGIVITIS frx: 776 7660 2720 1550 880 8450 803 8300 784 7870 728 7270 726 20 1556 2489 2008 20080 1800 1600 690 666 650 625 600 6000 444 522 146

Before that i had tried PYORRHEA frx, which seemed not to work.

(didn't work)-- 2720 2489 2008 20080 1800 1600 1550 803 8300 880 8450 784 7870 776 7660 728 7270 444 522 146 20 5000

Before that i had done DENTAL frx, which also didn't seem to do much:

(didn't work) 635 640 1036 1043 1094 685 60 48

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Dan, one of my handholds gets pretty warm, at times uncomfortably warm on the skin of my arm, i have to move it around, when it's stuffed up my sleeve ( not holding it in my hands). It can make a faint red mark.

One gets noticeably warmer than the other. My husband says if it gets warm, it must have a resistor inside. So one has more or less resistor than the other.

I guess this is not a problem?
-----
My guts were in bad condition for several days, since i hadn't had time to do the candida-fungus-yeast-mold rifing on the abdomen.

Then i did a one hour session all on the abdomen, and today my guts are perfectly well-behaved, no grumblings or problems at all! Too bad it doesn't last more than a few days.

Rifing just on candida frx doesn't work at all. I have to do all the various fungi, mold, etc frx that i can find. I don't know which the effective ones are.
-----
My head symptoms are diminishing!

Can you believe it---- my husband sees me getting better in front of his eyes, but he still doesn't believe in rife! He says it's just anecdotal, not a controlled study.

----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
polly.. i need your help.. I have nail fungus just on two big toes.. It was near gone but then just came roaring back?

What were the numbers you used and how did you do it? DiD you put something on directly.

I have been doing salt ionic foot baths daily and you would think i would help but instead it is worse. Ugh. Yeah its not the worse thing or painful etc.. But I sure would love to get rid of it.

Great idea on the dental stuff.. How do you know it worked. What were your symptoms.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I have a DT EMEM5a machine and I am picking up a B3 Ulimate this weekend (this is the model right before the GB4000).

My question is...can I rife with these machines while watching TV? If my machine & I are say...20 feet away from the TV. Does the TV interfer with the rife and vice versa.

Now when I rife I turn the TV & computer completly off and I move my iphone to another room. Is all this necessary?
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by asummers:


My question is...can I rife with these machines while watching TV? If my machine & I are say...20 feet away from the TV. Does the TV interfer with the rife and vice versa.

Now when I rife I turn the TV & computer completly off and I move my iphone to another room. Is all this necessary?

I don't know about those machines but I have a laptop, iphone, full tv setup with no problems. The beamray is about 7 ft or more away from stuff.

beamray
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Thanks LoneDove -- This is great news. Now I can kill two birds with one stone by rifing & watching my favorite TV shows. I will just make sure I am at least 10 feet away from the TV.
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
LoneDove, I'm a Beam Ray owner also since '04.
Are you using the stronger bulb? I discovered a couple years ago that I do much better using the less powerful bulb.

I was looking through my notes from 04 recently and I had wrote down that the extra bulb that came with the machine is to be used on children and those with a weaken immune system.

I'm able to rife more often using this bulb.

Pam
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
I'm not sure. I got mine used with a blue bulb. The previous owner said it came with a red bulb but the blue is supposed to be stronger.

I'm going to visit someone that just got a double tube so I'll report if it's any different. It's supposed to make the sessions shorter.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I cannot say with 100% certainty that the XMRV frequencies caused the Shingles outbreak, but she is only 46 years old, and that is not a typical age for getting Shingles. She also broke out right after the treatment, and someone told me here that medications for viruses such as AZT can cause the same outbreak. It also has happened to one other person, that I am aware of.

So on the balance of the evidence, I think it did cause the outbreak.

If one side of the contacts are getting warm, the other side may not be working. I would have someone test the out put, or note if it is one wire and handhold causing the problem, or is it where it is plugged into.

The wires on these are prone to breaking inside the insulation from repeated flexing. I have had it happen already.

Your husband is right, it is anecdotal. But that is a form of evidence we use daily. It is not invalid because it is anecdotal. In another words every effective treatment out there for anything worked prior to the study done on it. The study only validates or invalidates the result, it does not create the result.

The only interference problem I have had, is using the GB-4000 too close to my laptop. It will interfere if it is within a couple of feet in RF mode. The wires radiate a short distance, as well as the machine itself.

Dan
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
Used double tube yesterday and feel much better today. Didn't really have any reaction when I used it or felt any different though. Ran rickettsia.

In the evening I ran borrelia program and my lymph nodes in my neck and jaws feel much better. They were really hurting before.

Did the dishes last night [woohoo]
and today! [woohoo]

I usually can't do the dishes more than 3 or 4 times a month. Can't stand that long before I get shaky, back hurts and I'm just exhausted.

Also, noticing my 10 yr old golden retriever is not groaning and moaning in pain like she was constantly. I think she has lyme. She's gained weight but hardly eats much in last few months. Also, another dog, a catahoula, has had terrible ear problems with various vets and medicines couldn't relieve. She's not shaking her head and pawing at her ears and crying like before. I run alot of parasite programs and I think that's helping the dogs.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Wow thats interesting that you notice a change in your dogs from your rifing.

Amazing
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
Is there considered a maximum amount of time per week to rife? I have gotten all my info from the guy that I bought my rife and so far the maximum time he has allowed me to rife is 100min within a 5 day time period.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
JarJar--- It depends on how sick you are, how well you detox, what your bacterial load is, how long you have been treated, how many coinfections, etc.

He is limiting your time in case you have a delayed herx coming. You need to test your body to see if your herxes are immediate or long-delayed. They say herxes can occur even two weeks after rifing, i think.

The idea is not to get overwhelmed if you have been building up a pile of dead lyme bodies. Too many microbial corpses can shut down the liver and kidneys, in severe herxes. I hope you are taking milk thistle and lemon juice if you are expecting a herx reaction?

How's it going?

PS What's jarjar? Is it a mythical bird? or a real bird?

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
thanks pam sent you a pm.
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by springshowers:
Wow thats interesting that you notice a change in your dogs from your rifing.

Amazing

Yes, I'm happy. The catahoula would keep us up at night crying with her ears and I couldn't find anything that would give her lasting relief.

The golden I hated seeing going downhill. We were wondering how much longer she was going to last like a few months to a year maybe. Now she's getting around much better. Who nows how long she'll live but I just hated to see her suffering.

I just had a good, creative, productive day working on a new product. Foot pain is neglible which is a great blessing.

However, my neck, ears, lymph nodes around my ears & jaws are so sore. My shoulder joints also. The other thing that is scary is my memory is terrible which is very unusual for me until lyme. I have gotten the soreness to go away for a little time from rifing but don't see a big difference in my memory yet....
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The one treatment with the EM+ machine did not kill the remainder of the Lyme in my wife.

The treatment tonight is provoking a slight reaction, so we are not out of the woods yet.

I am strongly considering the new MOPA device. It may or may not remove the last of the Lyme, but I will not know until I try it out.

I can keep her well enough, but treating for the rest of her life seems impractical, and I do not think this will become any easier with age.

I need more penetration, and for that, I need more power. I think it is that simple, I just hope I am right.

Dan
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
Dan

What is a MOPA device?

I'm resolved that I'll need to rife ongoing, although not so often, once I feel better. The issue now is to get better.

Been reading this thread (http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/93460)
and reading things of springshowers, plus more along the lines of various viral infections like ebv, cmv, hpv, strep, staph, etc. In the past, I've gone to dr's that tested me with antibody counts over 4,000.

I'm astounded that they didn't do more testing to see why the heck it was so high. They told me I had thyroiditis, enlarged lymph nodes, lupus and it was amazing I could work. This was before the tick bite.

Anyway, I'm rifed for strep last night and that helped painful, swollen lymph nodes in my neck and jaws. I've had strep numerous times in past and have had quite acute episodes.

Tonight I rifed for cmv and herpes programs (which ebv is a herpes virus). Never had std herpes but seems like herpes family is related to some other of these viruses.

I hope I'm onto to something to rife to reduce my viral load. Also, going to get vitD3 and start taking lots of Vit C.

Came across this interesting website:

http://www.enby.se/english/start-eng.htm
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
A good read overall Esp if you have the GB4000

Research Protocol Using a Frequency Generator
To Reduce Pain and Symptoms in Cancer

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:pQcRLujNMLIJ:cancertutor.com/Cancer03/Spec01_GB4000.pdf+Detox+Box+and+Frequency+to+channel+conversion&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgOQyr jiwAoi8wtnXbZ21e0LsBM1YXrZFr7BdJoxXsp29IG1tqhSJ2VR3ljw5ivpi3ecsLL1ygKeTh0p0EcXy8hZ5n-d5QLYb-eqswqzDNNi35WSd05SKHyoG_gPEfAOfvXOjcd&sig=AHIEtbTKJsiDU4CiQK2_hpxQavTSX9_1ag

It tells you specific freqencies for cancer and though overall includes microbes and detox etc
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Does anyone have the Detox Box? I would like to know if I can get a copy of the manual to read?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I tried using my rife at the same time as my ionic foot bath. It was quite intense and changed the feeling and the foot bath affect was more intense and varied.

If anyone else has a foot bath and rife it might be something you want to try.

WIth my rife it also suggests you can actually put in the wet pads into water and your feet in it and run the rife using the hand cylinders too or ray tubes.

I have not yet tried that but am planning on it.

Anyone has any other interesting combos of set up to share?
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Has anyone tried stimulating the immune system ?

Here are frequencies labelled as stimulating the IMMUNE SYSTEM:

8 1862 18620 2008 20080 2128 21275 2180 3347 5611 2791 3448 2929 4014 5611 2867 2855 432

That's one i'm NOT ----NOT--- going to try, since the immune system could be disastrous to play with; although my immune system could really use some boosting!

---
Spring, your toes are farther cured than mine. I did repost the frequencies not too far back. My toenails are not cured yet; i'm jjust glad to be rid of the awful, thick grey cracked skin around them!
----

Dan, why don't you try photon therapy? It worked for Selma. Selma says it was the ONLY treatment that gave her immune system enough energy to overcome lyme and co's.

Selma never used the PE-1 alone, but always accompanied by homeopathic nosodes; she says it's too powerful to use undirected, unlimited.

Here's the link for the group that uses the PE-1:

/health.groups.yahoo.com/group/bionic880-PE1/

-----

Dan, what are these frequencies multiplied by 10?
(e.g., above, 1862, 18620). You double your frequencies and call them harmonics, is that right? so where are these 10 multiples coming from?

------

A guy on another forum has a Photon Wand with his GB-4000 :

QUOTE
The Photon Wand is built specially for the GB4000. Here is the website:

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/irx%20photon%20wand.htm

Currently selling for $120 and free shipping. I just have it for a week and have tried the two recommended frequencies - 531 hz and 728 hz. check out the NASA references.

UNQUOTE

-----

Thanks for all the ideas!

----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The MOPA amplifier is new, and will work with the GB-4000. I already have the GB-4000 so I would need to buy the MOPA amp and tube. there is a picture of it here.

http://futurefrequency.com/component/content/article/3-front-page/62-mopa-amplifier-replica

By the time you are done, it is about $3,000 so my wife is thinking the ones we got are good enough.

They are good enough to keep her well, but I cannot get rid of the last bit of it, and I do not want to treat her forever. I do not know what the remaining Lyme is doing, but it certainly is not going to help her in any way.

Somebody needs to test this thing out also, to see if it works better. It is the closest thing to the original Rife device ever made. If it does not work better, I have wasted $3,000. I am willing to chance it because I think the odds are good it will work better since it is a high voltage, low current device, like the original.

She can be a stubborn one at times.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Polly. I found my old message that gave me the numbers for foot fungal problems.

I also started putting on food grade concentrated Peroxide on them. WOW it packs a punch. IT was painful the first couple of times and I could feel it absorbing under my nails and though it sure cleaned them up and I am hoping killed alot.

Still waiting to see how they grow. I now add some peroxide to my foot baths too and trying to give them a lot of attention and not let up. STubborn stubborn infection huh. I am sure it is in the blood stream.

I took lamasil for 1 year and it took all that time to get 90 percent better. I should not have let my doctor take me off yet after all that.. The little bit left is all it took and bamb.. it spread fast like in a few weeks and I was backwards a whole year!!

Yikes. Scary how tough these infections can be.

It is making me think about how persistant we have to be with anything we use. and when we feel better DO Not stop or even let up at all!!

Keep on keeping on.!!

Blessings to all

I am not afraid to use the IMmune boosting numbers at all!

I will try them!!
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
SS -- please report back on the immune boosting numbers. I am thinking of trying them as well.

I think of them like the detox frequencies that we use.
 
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
I have been rifing for one week so far and no changes with anything. Still have gobs of foot and arm pain. My arm joints hurt terribly as always as do the sols of my feet burn 24 hours a day. There are so many frequencies it could take years to get through em all to find the right ones.

I know my biggest issues are Babs and Bart.

I have been rifing two frequencies a night, for a total of 15 minutes each night. Nothing noicable. Maybe I just have some other rare disease.
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
I rifed yesterday with double tube beamray and it packed a wallop.

After the session, I was very tired, spacey, very little short term memory. Came home and felt really strange. Just wanted to crash. Talked to friend today that sat under it also and he was the same. We ran cmv & ebv programs.

Today, I'm a little spacey, want to rest. Interesting, because with the single tube I'm not getting much of a reaction except occasionally.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Photon therapy is my only other option at this point, so I do have that on the back burner.

I have heard those photon wands tend to burn out in a short time. Maybe they have improved them since they came out?

I do want to explore the frequency method to its conclusion one way or another. I would like to keep the treatment, as simple as possible if it will result in a cure. If it does not, then I will do whatever is needed to get that result.

Rife did not treat for very long to eliminate a pathogen. I am hoping a machine like his will have the same result.

I do not know where the multiples of ten came from, but I have seen that done before. I do not know the theory behind that way of increasing a frequency, but I am not an expert on frequency conversion. I use harmonics just as you said, higher harmonics are just doubled and lower ones are just divided by two.

Dan
 
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
I have been doing Rife 15 minutes a night. Nothing so far.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
What frequencies are you using Richedie?

What are you targeting? Coinfection frequencies are still kind of sketchy, at least to me.

Lyme should be 432, 306 and or 612, 2016. These are the better ones we have used.

What machine are you using?

Dan
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
I added a couple of additional bart & babs frequencies, and reacted to one of them: had the (now) predictable two days of increased symptoms and malaise. It is Wed morning and it has passed off, so I'm gonna do the same thing this weekend. I still just get such a rush that it does something!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Which frequency caused the reaction?

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I just placed my order for the new MOPA amplifier.
The stubborn one finally gave the go ahead.

She was going to get the new DNA based Lyme test to confirm the disease, but since she is chronic, they would need synovial fluid from an inflammed joint to do the test properly.

The new test is only able to use a blood sample if someone has been recently bitten as the bacteria leaves the blood after about two weeks time, according to the person I talked to.

It will take a few weeks to get the MOPA device, but I should be able to assess its effectiveness quite quickly.

Dan
 
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
Is there any limit to the length of time in a session you can use a Rife machine? I have been doing 15-20 minutes a day and thinking of doing 30 mins.
 
Posted by Sheryl777 (Member # 17804) on :
 
Dan - thanks for testing the MOPA machine for the benefit of us all.
 
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
So, can doing it more often be bad???? I did it for 20 minutes tonight using 4 different frquencies. Problem with doing it once or twice a week.....if you don't know which frequencies are working could take forever!!!!!
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
richdie

I'm rifing around 2 or 3 hrs and then in evening again but I worked up to that.

It does make it hard to know which freqs are doing what but if I run a rickettsia program it usually affects my feet and then I can walk, etc.

Right now I'm more interested in getting better and being able to function than finetuning which program is doing whatever. My rife has programs that I suppose others have spent some time figuring out.

beamray
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Richedie -- I think that you need to up your time & change around the frequencies. If you aren't feeling anything, then you aren't hittin' anything.

If you did it for 20 mins last night and didn't feel anything, then I would try four more different frequencies tonight. If you aren't herxing, then it would be alright to try 4 different frequenices more often.

I agree, the fustrating part is in the beginning when you don't realize what numbers you need to rife.

It looks like from your tag line that you are dealing with Babs. Are you rifing on the Babs frequencies?

Also your question about the length of the rife session. It all depends on the machine AND the person. For example, I used to rife with a DT EMEM5a. I was not able to rife for more than 30 minutes then I would have to turn off the machine for it to cool down. Then I would do another 15-20 minutes later in the day.

But I worked up to 45 minutes in a couple of months.

What machine are you using?
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
Dan: I think it was either 1584 (a babs frx) or 6878 (bart) cause I added them both: I did not think I had Babs (do think I might have Bart) but recently I have been doing more sweating, so my LLMD is thinking maybe that is Babs. I think it could just be die-off (I have really been improving on Bicillin.) Guess we'll see.
 
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
I have the RifeMachineBuilder EMEM machine.
See here:
http://www.rifemachinebuilder.com/1.html

I am reading a Rife book and it asks the question...."are you rifing too often?"
How is that possible if one is not herxing?

Each night I try 2-4 frequencies and nothing. I mostly go for Babs and Bart. My doc thinks Borrelia is cleared and am almost done with Babs. Been doing Mepron close to a year.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Keep the machine close to you, for maximum penetration. Since you are taking antibiotics, that will make it difficult to tell much from using frequencies. At least for Lyme it will.

You are constantly feeling the effects of the antibiotics and all you might get from the machine is additional die off.

I would try some Lyme frequencies just to see what happens, if you have not already.

789,000 Hz is an original Rife Syphilis frequency that works for Lyme also. 2016 Hz is another one I use a lot. They both seem to hit a form of Lyme other than Spirochete. You are not going to have much Spirochete form using antibiotics, but the cyst form is still going to be there.

I would try some of the Lymph stimulating frequencies, just to try get the garbage out of the blood stream.

Dan
 
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
But I never noticed effects from antibiotics. I had pain when this started and still do....never noticed a herx. My doctor said she has countless patients who NEVER herxed.

What are the Lymph stimulating frequencies?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Lymphs_and_detox - 10000, 3177, 3176, 3175, 880, 787, 751, 727, 676, 635, 625, 522, 465, 444, 440, 304, 148, 146, 15.2, 15.05, 10.36, 10, 7.83, 6.3, 2.5

That is from the CAFL. 10,000 Hz is commonly used for this.

What kind of pain do you have? It is possible another pathogen is responsible, especially if it is joint pain.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Richedie -- since you don't generally herx, are you feeling better?

I agree with Dan and try the Lyme frequencies as well.

What are your lingering symptoms besides pain? Maybe rife on arthritis, or Fibro frequencies. If you have fatigue, perhaps rife for EBV, Strep, XMRV, HHV-6, Fungus, ect.
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Richedie,

I don't think I ever herxed on my abx treatment, with the exception of the short term of doxy at the very beginning. But I am getting better. The way I see it if you are getting better w/o herxing, it's a blessing.

When I rifed before abx I only herxed (if you can call it that) for about 45 mins and that was with the 1st treatment. I know it's hard, because you don't know if you got the right frx, if it's working, but keep on plugging away.

Maybe when we get off abx we will be able to tell better? Hopefully though, it won't be much of a herx due to successful abx treatment. Hopefully, the cyst form will come out slowly and our immune system will be up and running, and the rifing won't have to kill much.

liz
 
Posted by capebite (Member # 9789) on :
 
Tickbattler yes 357 seems to be hitting bart quintana. Started last night on coil for 30 secs. and shin pain increased and exhausted with massive headache. will keep you posted.
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Reporting back. I had a strong reaction after using a perl for 20 sec on 612. I ended up in hospital. Chest very sore, breathing very off, tachy. EKG, stress test, echo, several pulmonary cat scans and x ray... nothing of course. The breathlessness was non stop.

We had a pending mold remediation right before I used the perl. I dont know if spores had elevated between the testing and the remediation since we tested about 3 months prior to remediation. If so, no one else in the family was having issues.

I didnt think 20 seconds was a long time but guess it is. I cant say for 100% certain the rifing caused my symptoms (these were intense symptoms and lasted for weeks), but I am not using again for a while, the starting 3-5 seconds.

I'll report back when i start back up and have some clue what is going on. Im working a methylation protocol at the moment and taking herbs... which dont seem to be working.. extreme muscle fatigue, crazy acting nerves (tremors and creepies) and joint issues.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
R62--- You're alive! I thought you might have had a stroke or something from hypercoagulation.

Have you got your blood normalized?

I just read in Time magazine that women can have very narrowed heart arteries that appear perfectly normal in an angiogram; even after having a heart attack, their arteries can look clear in diagnostic imaging.

I also read in Ninah Sylver's book The Rife Handbook that rifing can encourage clumping of blood cells. Not good when you are already hypercoagulated!

What did you do to normalize the hypercoagulation?

Well, i'm really glad you returned to life!

-----Polly Plygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by JOLA (Member # 23498) on :
 
A while back someone asked for input on the DCoil

machine. I had the opportunity to try one some

time ago and it sent me into the worst herxes of

my life. Husband decided to purchase one - they

don't come cheap. I can only use it every other

week for about 15 mins. per session. I am sick

about 48 hours later for days. I don't know much

about frequencies - he's done all the research on

it. My hope is to get off these darn ABX and get

to a place where I can get better w/herbs and

rife. As I get to know more I will post but for

now I'm still green at all this. Just really

tired of being so sick.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Both the Doug Coil and the PERL are more powerful than average. 20 seconds is a short exposure time, but if you have lots of Spirochetes, it is long enough to kill a pile of them.

I am glad you did not go longer than that.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
R62 -- Wow, what an experience from just 20 seconds. I am glad to hear that you are out of the hospital. Welcome back
 
Posted by Faith6 (Member # 14072) on :
 
After a couple years of thinking about rife, I was finally able to try one last night! It was the one with the amplifier that attaches to your computer.

We ran the nerve(40 min) and also detox frequencies. I'm assuming that the more powerful the unit the less time rifing?

My left side back pain does seem better...placebo or does it work???

Does anyone else have experience with this unit? The family that let me try theirs has seen tons of improvement in Lyme symptoms.

[ 04-27-2010, 11:05 AM: Message edited by: Faith6 ]
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Faith6---It sounds like the GB-4000; that's what i have. I've been using it for 4 months. I stopped antibiotics 2 months ago.

It works for me. Off antiibiotics, before, i couldn't last a week. Now, if i rife every day, it keeps my symptoms down to minimal.

My minimum quicky rife session is for Lyme, Bartonella, Babesia, and Toxoplasmosis.

I've never tried the detox frx.

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by Faith6 (Member # 14072) on :
 
Pamoisondelune,

It's the NoRiftRife. The electrodes were hooked up to my feet and also back/shoulders.

Some pain is gone, but as the day goes on I'm experiencing different muscle pain/strain in my shoulders, neck and back like I have had in years past (just from living) and also from the electro stimulation thing at the chiropractor. I think it's from the electrodes...

Now I'm confused again!!!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I found this harmonic calculator on the Rife Journal site, and put the link below.

I have one already but this one breaks them down into smaller increments. It is called Harmonic Calculater vB.

http://www.rifejournal.com/RifeJournal.html

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
I have a question:

I currently live in Australia and I am about to take a two week trip back home to Philly for a little over 2 weeks.

I would really like to take my Ultimate B3 home with me so I can continue to rife everyday. I can fit it into my suitcase without any problems.

Do I need to worry about the machine getting thru customs in the US or vice versa when I am on my way back to AUS?

I am not sure if it would be safe for me to try and bring it home.

Thanks for any info you could provide.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan -- Thanks for the link to the rifejournal.com

It looks very interesting.
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
Can you get a herx with fever and body aches from babesia frequencies? Neither my LLMD or my PCP think it was the flu or a virus: I am doing Bicillin shots with Plaquenil but have been on that for over a month: would a reaction kick in that late? The frequencies I used were; 832, 570, 20, 27, 76, 379, and 10,000. Each for three minutes. On my primitive little TENS/Amplifier/Computer setup.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It is difficult to determine what would cause this reaction since you are using more than one treatment method.

See if you can get some repeatability with the frequencies. If you have never responded to the medications with this type of reaction, odds are it is the frequencies.

It may take a certain amount of time to kill Babesia, and maybe the longer run time was enough to do it.

It does sound similar to the couple of times we treated for Babesia. It made her pretty ill, but it cleared up quickly. She felt it quite intensely while treatment was happening. This is not typically felt by users, but she responds this way for whatever reason.

Try get some repeatability, as that is the only way to know for sure.

Your mailbox is full.

Dan
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
I actually did that same range of frequencies four times but never at such time lengths. Everything else - the Bicillin, etc have been constant for over a month. I guess we'll see. I cleared my mailbox.
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
asummers I do not know all the specific rules about rife and traveling around to different countries. I do know that the man I bought my gb4000 from said if he is ever questioned about his machine while traveling he always responds it is a biofeedback machine and no questions are asked after that.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The GB-4000 is simply a frequency generator, and that should not cause any problems bringing it into the USA.

Dan
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
I have to say this thread has been helpful for me with killing this monster. With my gb4000 I used 432 for 15 min on my stomach front and back then used some of the Rickettsia freq on my feet for Bart pain. 129 632 1062 720 for 5 min each.
Lots of gut herxing at first then today I have had a love affair with having to go sit on the potty. Thanks to everyone for sharing info on this thread.
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Do you think an EMEM machine will mess with a heart monitor?

liz
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
JarJar & Dan -- thanks for your responses. I will be taking my machine home with me [Smile]

I have been using my machine for at least 30 minutes per day rifing for lyme, babs, bart, CFS, EBV, Toxo, CMV, ect...I am seeing results as well, and I have noticed a 'love affair' with the toilet also.

I think the love affair with the toilet is good, b/c it means my body is ridding the toxins out. I feel good after going to the bathroom.

I ordered N. Sylver's book and I will begin to read it when I am home. I am hoping it can provide more insight into how I use rife. I currently have Bryan Rosners book which was great as well.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
j_liz -- i am not 100%, but i think that all rife technology is not safe with a heart monitor. could be wrong...but i want to say i read that somewhere.
 
Posted by R62 (Member # 18531) on :
 
Thanks, pamo, asummers and Dan.:-)

I didnt want to report back until I had some clue.

I still am not 100% sure it was the rife. But I am not going to dare go over 5 seconds next time and I am not ready yet to try again.

They did test my clotting time at the hospital and it was actually a tad slow. That is interesting that rife can possibly cause some coagulation. Not sure how to address that other than taking nattokinase or some other such fibrin, coagulation buster.

Im not sure what I did and I am not convinced it was not mold spore exposure but what a coincidence if it was. It took a while for my body to settle down. It was hyperstimulated. I think the only way to know for sure it was the rife session is to try again, of course.

I'll report back when I do. Meanwhile, my methylation protocol is keeping life interesting. I think methyl b12 is helping quite a bit.

Thank you for your thoughts!
 
Posted by Jasmin (Member # 19959) on :
 
Wow! This thread is long. I'm sorry if I'm asking something asked a million times before,

but those of you who rife daily... what frequencies are you using and how long?

I want use the rife with my son daily for bartonella, but I thought I'd throw in other

frequencies too...but there are so many frequencies and I can't do them all.

I wish I could rife for lyme and every possible co-infection daily. [Smile]
 
Posted by aftonlight (Member # 25698) on :
 
I've had great success rifing. I have been lyme free for 3 years, after having it 13 years before that. Also ehrlichiosis gone for 1-1/2 years after infection with that in 2008, and finishing up with babesia, bartonella and mycoplasma. I use DP100 that covers all frequencies and whole body at same time, for 6 minutes 3 times a week. And colloidal silver. Only every used 3 weeks of doxycycline - no other abx.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
I haven't been on in a while and trying to read through all the posts and catch back up. I've been living in Colorado for the last 8 months and just moved back to Mississippi. The change in temperature and altitude seems to be bringing on a lot of symptoms, but I guess that's to be expected.

Oddly, I did better health-wise in Colorado than I've ever done. I lived about 10,000 feet above sea level - that high of an altitude can have adverse health effects on "normal" people because of the lack of oxygen. Once I adjusted however, I really seemed to thrive.

The humidity here in Mississippi aggravates my symptoms and let's not even mention the heat.

I'll be glad when my body readjusts and I start feeling better. Still rifing regularly - I'm sure without my machine it would be 10 times worse...
 
Posted by WhitneyS (Member # 25666) on :
 
Hi there, I'm new to Lyme and Rifing. Looking to buy a device.

Has anyone used the Atilier Robin F100's? Do I need a generator and an amplifier...I guess I'm a little confused.

I prefer a smaller portable type device that won't be a big problem to take when traveling. Any advice on a starter device?

Thanks!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Here is some additional information and opinions of this product.

http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/F100/

In my opinion, the Atelier Robin line of function generators will work well as a contact device. You may be able to use it to drive a plasma device at a later time, if you decide to go that route.

You will want to use a carrier frequency if using it in contact mode.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
R62 -- I have a sneaking feeling that mold had something to contribute to your ER visit. I think we all need to listen to Dr. K when he talks about the importance of factoring in mold into the equation of lyme & co-infections.

Jasmin -- rifing daily is something that you would need to work up to and depends on the machine that you are using, and your sons lyme & co-infection load. I think the most that people are able to do on this thread is rife 3-4 times a week after months of working up to it.

aftonlight -- thank you for your success story! it is nice to read those stories, it makes the journey that much more manageable.

LL28 -- glad to see you back on the thread. I was wondering where you had wondered off to [Smile]
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Thanks to psr1 for telling about Babesia frex, 3 min each.

I had been doing the GB4000 group, where 8 frx run at once , but at 1/8 strength. I thought that was fine, efficient. I run my Babesia group almost every day--- yet i keep having low-level hints of Babesia symps, so i keep taking some Babesia herbs.

So i copied psr1 and ran some of the Babesia frx for 3 min each, 2 or 3 days ago ---- and i've had NO Babesia symptoms since!

I 've been taking much fewer Babesia herbs, in response, too, since then.

Maybe these "groups" aren't so effective after all. It's an important technique question.

I just ran some Babesia frx again at 3 min each, separately.

-----Polly Polygonum
-------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Polly -- I have a question about your GB 4000.

When you run the pre-programmed frequencies for babs/lyme/bart/ect...and there are 8 frequencies running at the same time, are you saying that the strength is only 1/8 of running a single frequency all by itself?

On the GB 4000, can you run the grouped pre-programmed frequencies individualy(one at a time for more power) OR do you created a custom program for say...Babs and enter the individual frequencies so they run one at a time.

I love the idea of running thru 8 frequencies at once in order to save time, but if it isn't strong enough, then in the end it will be a waste of time.

Anyone else with a GB 4000 please feel free to answer.

Thanks
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
HI All > not been here much. But not much changed.

I continue to be able to rife for all infections without a Herx anymore at all. But I still do them about once every week or two and test myself by doing it longer and longer and adding more things each time. It sure takes a long time to get that done.

Inbetween that I use rife for Detox and organ support as I posted in the beginning of this thread and am adding more programs as time goes on. This has been very useful to me and helps alot.

I am able to rife every day too and get no herx anymore. I only herxed for about two months after using rife but I used rife as aftercare to about 6 months of agressive integrative IV treatments.

I have bought an ionic foot bath and do the rife while I am doing the foot bath and that helps too.

I now am completely off abx. And yet still have no obvious difference while rifing. But will still keep an eye out for that.

I consider rife for me as a supportive therapy now and not for killing. I think it did only getting at some of what was left over from my other treatments but it took a lot less time than I figure it would?

I now realize my next steps are about figuring out what I need to do to get my immune system working correctly and regulating detox pathways and getting my hormone systems working too..

All of this I think I can do without drugs even though I will stay on my synthroid for now I hope in time I will be able to stop that too.

Still on pain meds and that will be last to go i am sure..

Rife still is a staple in my supportive therapy but I seem to be alone from what I read in someone who uses it for the reasons and results I get in organ support and detox.

Anyone else here this rings true for?

Blessings

Anyone doing AI drops along with rife? I am in the process of adding AI to my treatment and off all abx. I feel ready for this even though if you read many would say this might be backwards. It just worked out this way for me. And it seems to be where my path too me.
 
Posted by WhitneyS (Member # 25666) on :
 
D Bergy:

Thanks for responding. I still am so new to all of this its a bit confusing.

I did want a contact device with portability. I am concerned over evaluating the power of different devices.

Is it important to have high range of frequency (htz)-- high range of power (volts) or both? I guess just some guidelines for evaluating would be helpful.

Thanks so much for any help!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Just so you know

The BCX ULtra comes with a carrying case and all your parts and pieces fit in there fine for traveling and storing.

You can always buy yourself a suitcase of sorts for others that do not have that but I am not aware of thier sizes.

THe BCX Ultra is not too big at all..

http://www.braintuner.com/radio-frequency-bcx/

I wish I could afford their new foot bath product and the stand along tubes...

Cant have it all : (
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
IF you did not see the actual generator is
Dimensions: 11.0" x 8.0" x 3.0", 2.5 lbs
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Summer--- That's what Dan told me , here, on this thread; he said the builder (or something) of the GB4000 told him that each of the 8 frequencies in the group only gets 1/8 of the current.

Yes, you can autoprogram a channel with singles so that they run separately; that's what i did.

I'm not sure about the efficacy of groups. I think that is a question that needs some serious research.

I still use a lot of the pre-programmed group channels.

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
Wow. So informative. So I've been maintenance rifing w/o abx for almost 2 years. Had two nasty tick bites that put me on 4 weeks amox. I also held the wand to the bite and rifed with my EMEM3 for lyme and co's. I essentially used rife as a preventative after a tick bite. I had a nasty growing red spot around the bite that stopped growing in size and went away with rife.

I feel pretty good! Going off of abx now, again.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Polly -- thanks. I think I am going to autoprogram channels to run the frequencies individually so I can get the full effect as well as run the frequencies in the groups.

I have ordered Dr. Sylver's Rife Book and I am hoping she might shed some light on my question as well.

Catskillmamala -- So glad to hear that you have been abx free for 2 yrs (except for recent tick bite, which I would have gone on abx for too). How often do you rife a week? And do you just rife for Lyme?
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
SS - This is such great news about the positive changes in your health. You are an inspiration [Smile]

At the end of this year, I too hope to be off abx and just use herbs/rife/salt&vit c. I am hoping at the beginning of 2011, that I will be able to do the AI therapy also.

Like you, some might think I have done it backwards. Detox/AI last, but whatever works, and this is how the cards have fallen for me.

I am so glad that you are having success with using the detox frequencies on your rife machine. Once I get the GB4000, I hope to run the detox frequencies as well.

I wouldn't give up rifing for lyme & co-infections. I think your plan is smart - once a week and increase time & change up some frequencies.

As we know, these lil' suckers like to hide, and this way your weekly lyme rife sessions will catch them when they come out of hiding.

Please check-in from time to time to let us know how you are doing. It would be a nice reminder that we can use our machines not for killin' but for immune support as well.

Happy Healing!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It is correct that you are dividing the power by the number of frequencies you are using. Sometimes this does not matter, but I do think it does matter with Lyme. You need all the power you can get for that bacteria.

I use Lyme autoprograms as harmonic autoprograms.

One of them is 306, 612, 1224 and so on. I run all of these harmonics of the same frequency at once on the GB-4000. It works well. Each only gets a fraction of the power as opposed to a single frequency, but since they are essentially the same frequency harmonics wise, it does not matter.

The high voltage question is still up in the air. No one has tested the new MOPA high voltage device on Lyme yet. I will be soon as the machine arrives. It is the way Rife did it, but Rife did not work with Lyme.

I think I can safely say that even the low voltage / high current machines we are using now kill a lot of the Lyme, but it seems that the deeper in the body you get, the harder it is to kill. It is this remnant I am after.

I like to have the ability to run high frequencies, because sometimes they work better.
I also like to have the most versatility I can get. You certainly can get along fine without the high frequency capability.

I use my machines for various pathogens that are not always Lyme related. I think most people here are primarily concerned with Lyme and co-infections. I will be experimenting with this for years to come, so my needs are somewhat different than average. For instance, I know a person with a particularly tough case of Impetigo. Nothing has worked to get rid of it.

Now they want to try frequency treatments. I have no idea what range of frequencies are going to be the most effective for Impetigo, so I want to be able to use high and low frequencies, as sometimes it makes a big difference.

Dan
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Polly that's awesome. What frequencies are you using to hit babs?
 
Posted by catskillmamala (Member # 12536) on :
 
asummers, I rife once a week, or two weeks, on a variety of lyme, erlichia, babesia and bartonella frequencies. I use a list I generated from the CAFL and Nynah Silver and then I winowed that down by which frequencies felt like a "hit"- that is causing buzzing, tingling, discomfort, etc.

I change up my frequencies and usually throw an extra one or two in. After this last tick bite, 364 for bart felt powerful even though it had never affected me before.

I usually do between 30 seconds and 2 minutes per frequency with no standard rhyme or reason.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I may have had a Bart herx today, using this idea of runnning single frequencies instead of 8 frx together each at 1/8 strength.

For a couple of months i've been running a Bartonella channel as 3 groups, 9 min total, but there are 18 frex in the whole channel.

I was satisfied, because it seems to keep the symptoms way down. But there has been not much change or progress, just the daily maintenance.

So today i ran the 18 Bart frex as singles, 1 min each. ( I have one channel programmed as groups, another channel with the same frex programmed as singles.)

Result: Nice clear head for a few hours, then feeling herxish the rest of the day and had to sleep 1 1/2 hours.

I had also run some Babesia and lyme frequencies, and also some Candida, fungus, and mold frex.

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Pam, what frex did you run for bart?
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Hi CD, How are you doing?

The frex i ran for Bartonella were:

364 379 645 654 786 840 842 844 846 848 850 857 967 6878 634 696 716 1518

lymielauren---

The frex i ran for Babesia were the usual:

20 27 76 570 753 1583 1584 5776

but the short version of that i took from catskillmamala:

76 570 1584


---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
What is the longest anyone has rifed in one session.

I did 6 hours the other night.!

No joke
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Does anyone get stomach pain or nausea after rifing or as a herx? If so, from which frequencies (lyme, bart, etc)?

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hello all

I was wondering if any of you have traveled with your Rife machine? I am wanting to take it somewhere and have to fly.

I have a suitcase it fits in. Do you think this will be a problem? How best should I do it? Carry on?

Tick Battler. I have not had stomach pain or nausea for a long time. But in the first month I did have a strong reaction in the stomach and gut.
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
TB I did 612 for the first time for 15 minutes along with some bart freq for 5 min each. I already am on the MP so I'm use to gut herxing. That 15 min on 612 kicked up the gut herxing and "sitting on the potty" for several days.
When I say gut herxing I mean burping and nausea.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks spring and jarjar - it helps to hear others have experienced this! I especially notice it after the bart frequencies.

tickbattler
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I've been doing the string of 18 singles Bart frex for a while, and every day it makes me feel Herxish, which means for me woozy, groggy, sleepy.

I'm also doing strings of singles Babesia frex, and Lyme sweeps, so i can't really tell which is causing the head reactions, but i think it's Bart herxes.

I haven't had much time recently to do the Toenail Fungus frex, but i notice that as long as i do the "Wounds" anti-bacterial channel, it keeps away the thick, grey, cracked build-up around the toenails (i.e., the bacterial component).

I usually do the BRAIN-cleaning sequence too, and it usually makes my head FEEL GOOD ; that's why i keep doing it:

430 620 624 840 866 5148 2213 19180.5

---Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
spring

I would by all means carry it on. As I mentioned in an earlier thread. The guy that sold me my gb4000 says he always says it is a biofeedback machine if asked by secrurity and no other question are asked. Dave B. says to tell them it is a freq. generator. But I use to work in the airline industry and would not check it. Not sure what machine you have and how big it is.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
HI I have the BCX Ultra

So you think I should say it is a biofeedback machine? I did not see this talked about before so I apologize.
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
I will let you decide and perhaps call the toll free number of the company and see what they say.
Dave B says calling it a freq generator is fine.

I think the guy that studied rife that sold me the 4000 said biofeedback as it is something that people have heard about and familiar with so he never had problems after he told them that.
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
I can use these frequencies on the DT EMEM, right? I use some of them already but wouldn't mind adding! Right now I using 832 and 1518 for 6 min each.

How much time should I do for each of these the first time around?

I use the following for Lyme (2 1/2 min)
432, 800 4328

I use for Erlich: (only 1 min 20 sec or HERX)
375 550, 942, 1064

I do the above every 10 to 14 days and get a herx each time.

I also do parasites once or twice a month (aiming for every other week) and do Babs at that time, too.

Sometimes I rife for Candida and Fungus and then another day for viruses but it was getting to be too much.

This is a great thread and i hope to be more active here.
Thanks for your help.

quote:
Originally posted by pamoisondelune:
Hi CD, How are you doing?

The frex i ran for Bartonella were:

364 379 645 654 786 840 842 844 846 848 850 857 967 6878 634 696 716 1518

lymielauren---

The frex i ran for Babesia were the usual:

20 27 76 570 753 1583 1584 5776

but the short version of that i took from catskillmamala:

76 570 1584


---Polly Polygonum
---or Nilufar Knotweed


 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Welcome, Mojo!

Yes, you can use the same frex on the EMEM!

How long do your Herxes last and how bad are they, and how soon do they follow the rifing? I'm just wondering, how soon do you follow with your next rifing after you recover from a Herx?

-------------

Hi CD!

(Message from CD:QUOTE
CD57
I just did my first session today of GB4000! did the Lyme and babesia channel and half a bart auto channel of 832....didnt want to over do on first day.

do you have the power turned all the way up?) UNQUOTE

Answer to CD: At first i had the power turned way down. Yes, now, all the way up.

That sounds like a lot for the first day!

I forget your case--- you've been on abx for a long time and your bacterial load is not so high?

How many minutes?

What did you use for Lyme?

Had you been treated for Bart? I just reread that you have bad Bart symptoms.

That's such a great thing about rife, isn't it?--- we can treat Bart ! without rupturing tendons or other horrible sideeffects.

----
I think i hit the jackpot, rifing on Bart singles frex. Every day i run these, 18 frex as singles, one minute each, and it gives me a herxish every day.

(Unless it's the Lyme or Babesia rifing; i can't tell for sure as yet.)

I'm hoping for some improvements out of this!
----

I'm glad more people are rifing! Welcome to new thread members!

----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
just a little update. I ran the 612 Hz Lyme harmonic program which consists of 612 Hz and seven other harmonics running all at the same time.

No reaction what so ever. To me, this means very little, or no Lyme has converted to Spirochete form.
I think that is significant because it should have in this amount of time. I have not treated her in a couple of weeks

I also ran the other harmonic program that is based on 2016 Hz and this did produce some reaction. this tells me that while there is not much Spirochete form, there still is some cyst form.

All of these were run using the GB-4000 running through the Rife Labs EMX plasma device.

Tomorrow I should get the new MOPA device. I wanted a base line of a normal reaction so I can compare any difference. 50 Watts of power that spikes to around 250 watts with gating. I think the Lyme is going to have trouble hiding from this particular device.

I hope it smacks the heck out of the remaining Lyme.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan -- I am so curious to see how this new machine is going to work on your wife. I read about it on the website and it looks promising.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Dan.. Maybe you can help me. I am feeling I need to research more on how to fiddle with some of the main settings on my machine. They say to use the defaults when making up my programs but I want to learn more.

With my machine there are choices of Wave forms types of :

Waveform Types:
Square, Square, Sweep, Sine,
Trapezoid; Triangle, Linear Ramp Up, Linear Ramp Down,
Exponential Ramp Up, Exponential Ramp Down,
Odd Order Harmonics, Even Order Harmonics,
Custom 1 - Custom 2 - Custom 3 - Custom 4

WAVE FORMS: You can use square wave for killing pathogens and you can use sine wave for
regeneration and healing. The Ultra has many other wave forms to choose from for your experimentation.


Is my basic knowledge and I know I need to research more for sure on this but I thought you can answer at least the options on my machine such as the Harmonics?


I am wondering what you can share about those and how it affects the treatment?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
I am also trying to learn more about the Carrier Wave.

For my machine it says.

CARRIER WAVES: The Ultra has a basic carrier wave that is preset at 45,000 Hz for the glass tubes only.
There are 3 carrier waves to choose from for the rest of the electrodes. They are 1.67, 1.25 and 1.00 MHz
(1,000,000 Hz). The Ultra has a carrier frequency because simply as the audio frequency piggy backs (is
carried) by the RF frequency (carrier) it penetrates deeper and farther. It is a known fact that RF or
radio frequencies above about 200,000 Hertz broadcast very well and that is why they are called radio
frequencies. Frequencies between 20,000 and 200,000 Hz broadcast to some degree.
Frequencies below 20,000 Hz do not broadcast at all and that is why when using the Ultra it is
recommended that you use channel A one of the three RF carriers we provide (1.67, 1.25 or 1,00 MHz)
and for channel B use the desired audio frequency found in the manual.

I also am trying to learn more about

GATING OR ENTRAINMENT: This is what we used to call pulse. The previous unit had a pulse rate of about
2/3's on and 1/3 off. We use 3.5 Hz as a default in the Ultra. Abrams who worked with Rife used 3.5-4 HZ
for gating. Dr. James Bare, a leader in the field of frequency technology, recommends 20-30-40 HZ for
gating. It is generally believed that the higher the frequency the higher the gating. Rife's 1939 instrument
, which ran in the MHZ range, had a 60 cycle gating. What is gating? Gating is another form of modulation.
The Ultra is modulating 2 frequencies when it plays an audio frequency with a carrier (RF) frequency. In
other words the audio frequency is piggy backed onto a higher frequency.
All the time this is happening the Ultra introduces say 3.5 HZ gating so you see that blink,
blink as you play your frequencies.
Entrainment is defined as: ``the tendency for two oscillating bodies to lock into phase so that they vibrate
in harmony. It is also defined as a synchronization of two or more rhythmic cycles.
This principle of entrainment is universal in nature.

and

DUTY CYCLE: The Ultra has a default of 90 percent duty cycle. For many years people have run the
standard 50% duty cycle. It is now known that a 90 % duty cycle exposes microorganisms to the frequency
for 80% more time than a 50% duty cycle. Do the math. 90% is 80% greater than 50%.
It is known that that the higher the duty cycle, the greater the coordinative resonance.
However, experimenters may chose any duty cycle 1-100 using the Ultra .

What is duty cycle? Duty cycle is how long the frequency is on and off when you are running a frequency.
For example, if you are running the frequency 100HZ, the frequency is cycling 100 times per second. A
50% duty cycle means that the frequency is on 50 % and off 50% of each second.
The 90 % duty cycle means that the frequency is on 90% and off 10 %
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
Thanks to whoever mentioned about rifing for babs before bart could get resolved.

My brain is too foggy to remember so that isn't fixed yet BUT I'm excited because I rifed for babesia which I haven't really before. Then I rifed for rickettsia/bart and my feet are so much better! I usually have to walk with MBT's shoes and I can actually walk barefoot without excessive pain!!

So thanks to whoever mentioned that.

Now if could get rid of these weird red, infected, raised sore bumps on my face. They are pimples but are sore like a pimple but no head. I don't have them all the time but when I do it takes 2-3 weeks to get rid of them.
What is it??
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Spring and Dan--- That is very interesting, what Spring is posting about square wave for killing and sine wave for healing. Is that true?

Does that mean square wave is a positive offset and sine wave is a negative offset ? (from what they were posting on the lyme-rife forum)?

No wonder the Bone Growth frex in my GB4000 manual didn't work! They were in square waves!

I've read that 50 Herz was used to produce bone growth in rats, and i didn't know why it didn't work for me.

I'm wishing i'd bought a BCX ULtra instead of a GB4000.

---Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have never tried it, but I think you may be able to run any frequency in sine wave on the GB-4000.

You can try it, and it will either do it, or it will tell you it has to be run in a square wave.

The reason square waves are used has to do with the harmonics a square wave automatically creates when run.

It may be that a sine wave works better for healing, but I am not sure anyone has ever tested that theory. Rife did not develop any of the healing frequencies. They are largely anecdotal.

There is a pathogen damaging effect with just a square wave for some organisms, and Lyme seems to be one that is affected by just a square wave.

The effect that Rife had with a sine wave appears to be from the gating he used, and the fact he used a high voltage/low current machine. When you gate a sine or square wave, on a high voltage vacuum tube machine, you get a high voltage spike right at the beginning of the wave. This spike is what is thought to have made his machines so much more effective than the ones we are using today.

Of course this is only plausible theory at this point. It has not been tested much yet, as this type of machine has not been available for a long time. The Doug Coil comes close, but it is not gated, to my knowledge. Possibly why the Coil has a better record of success than other types.

The MOPA device has most of the elements of the original Rife machine, and that is why I am going to use it.

One early report of a person using it for throat Cancer said he could feel it soon as he used it for the first time. Does that mean it is going to cure him? I have no idea. Cancer is tricky, and feeling it does not equate curing it. We need a little more time to see if this method is going to be better than the current ones.

Having said all of that, we have reduced the Lyme to almost a non factor by using the current machines, mostly the GB-4000. They are not ineffective, but they may not be as effective as the next, older generation of machines.

We may have to go back to the future and revisit the old technology of high voltage and vacuum tubes to get a better result. We should know within the next few months if this is the case.

Luckily, there are still a few old timers that understand the complexities of vacuum tube tech.

Dan
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by LoneDove:
Thanks to whoever mentioned about rifing for babs before bart could get resolved.


Now if I could get rid of these weird red, infected, raised sore bumps on my face. They are pimples but are sore like a pimple but no head. I don't have them all the time but when I do it takes 2-3 weeks to get rid of them.
What is it??

I get that sometimes - on my face and scalp - usually when I'm treating parasites. Have you addressed parasites yet?

My friend (she posted here about it) is treating parasites and her whole face cleard up.
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mojo:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by pamoisondelune:
[QB] Welcome, Mojo!

Yes, you can use the same frex on the EMEM!

How long do your Herxes last and how bad are they, and how soon do they follow the rifing? I'm just wondering, how soon do you follow with your next rifing after you recover from a Herx?

-------------

My herxes begin from immediately after rifing to one day after and last for one to three days - always different. I got a huge herx when I added in the Erlich frequencies.

As far as how bad they are - it's different each time! Last week I was pretty sick for two days. My herxes are flu like symptoms (bad head and stomach) as well as overall malaise and fatigue. I get puffy eyes, too, and my eyes feel wierd (can't describe it because it's completely unique to rifing)

Up until the last month or so I would get terrible headaches and stomach issues and would know that it's time to rife. I rife every 10 to 14 days - I've been following DT's instructions but thinking maybe I want to get more agressive.


 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Strep and/ or Staph is often involved with skin outbreaks. You may want to try those frequencies and see what happens.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Just a side note on how bad the ticks are in Northern MN.

We went out into the woods yesterday to look for Morel Mushrooms. By the time we were done, we both picked off over 20 ticks each, one Dog Tick was attached to my wife. About one forth of the ticks were Deer Ticks.

I do need to find a quick easy way to kill of tick borne illness, since we are bound to run into it time and time again.

That is just one more reason I need to explore frequency treatments, to their conclusion.

I am sure there are many other areas just as bad as ours.

Dan
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
Mojo & Dan

I'm rifing for parasites and strep and staph along with many others:
borrelia, rickettsia, babesia (now!), staph, strep, adneovirus-2, ebv, cmv, mycoplasm, skin cancer.
I don't have skin cancer but some funny things have peeled off after running skin cancer.

Maybe I need to move closer to the bulb.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Closer the better.

You may also want to try Herpes Zoster. Chicken Pox virus. Not a likely cause, but sometimes it is not obvious.

Dan
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
Dan

The fleas have been horrific here. I just shaved 2 of my dogs and put spot stuff on them (which I hate to do but don't know anything as effective). One dog that has NEVER gotten hot spots before has a couple of hot spots from scratching. I put colloidal silver on her and am going to bathe them in lavender shampoo.

I have about 30-35 flea bites on my forearm that are trying to heal. Fleas, mosquitoes have always loved to bite me but I've never had such a mess of bites in one place.

Ticks could be next here...it's been wet and we're starting to get more storms this time of year.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Who is Rifing for the Fry bug with success?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
LoneDove, I have the same horrible acne like bumps on my forehead and now cascading down the sides of my cheeks. I always thought that they were toxins but now I am thinking they are parasites. What frequencies are you using for parasites?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If you have fleas in the house, you have a good chance of getting the same small tapeworms that I did.

Our children brought a stray cat with fleas to our house. Our other animals then got the fleas and it took a while to get rid of them.

If you accidentally swallow one of those fleas that have tapeworm larvae, you will then be a host to these rice like tapeworms.

I used MMS to get rid of them, but any good anti parasitic remedy will likely work.

At least here, the ticks prosper in dry weather. It was bone dry here for several weeks. I think that is why we have so many this year. last year I did not see many.

Dan
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
Dan

Sometimes I have rifed for herpes for the heck of it and it has helped. I'll try that.

Actually, different herpes viruses cause different maladies like ebv....

Ok, help me on this...my brain fog is awful and I've actually have been depressed. I hate being depressed. I feel like I'm under water and everything is in slow motion. It's worse now that it's warmer. If it's cool outside I'm much more animated. Dan, any suggestion to run for this?

Thanks!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I don't have a frequency other than 10,000 Hz to get the lymph system moving.

I had depression for over thirty years, and I found the problem was low grade chronic inflammation from undiagnosed Crohn's Disease.

Now inflammation is probably not the only cause of depression, but if you have an inflammatory disease, it is a likely cause. Especially if its onset came with the disease.

I used Turmeric and Ginger capsules, at two doses a day each, 1500 mg per dose of each. I also used Krill Oil at a double dose.

This accidentally brought an end to my depression. I was not trying to cure depression, but I was trying to get my Crohn's inflammation under control. It was a complete accident, but an important accident.

Now I use Low Dose Naltrexone to control the disease, and I no longer need to take the large doses. I still take small doses of all of them.

All of these supplement affect the consistency of the blood, makes it more slippery, and thins it out slightly. If you take blood thinners, you want to be careful.

All of these supplements also aid in the treatment of Lyme Disease for reasons I will not go into here.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
LoneDove

Try these

General Cleansing program Numbers
337 464 467 576 688 728 786 803 856 882 912 1554 1862 2128 3337 5762 6667

Programed for 3 minutes each..

and

Liver Support (1 min each programed)
337-463-574-668-787-803-912-1862-3337-5546

Lymph Support (1 minute each programed)
146-346-428-596-767-982-1078-5176-5443-8846

Kidney Support (1 minute each programed)
248-463-522-622-658-917-1865-3374-5162

They can give you a better sense of well being and get those organs moving and working more efficiently.

When I started rifing I started with just those and it made a big difference for me right away.

I now have to work much harder to get a reaction or see improvement and I am thinking thats a good sign.. But I still run these any time I do any rife at all.

Hope it helps.

Also this whole thread if filled with others ideas and programs and numbers for detox and for rifing overall.

Not heard much about depression but I could look it up in my books and manuals etc.

I am adding adrenal and thyroid numbers lately. I put the ray tubes right on the thyroid and also where the adrenals are on each side.

Hoping that will help them or stimulate them and make them work better and improve function.
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
LoneDove: I get right on top of that machine.

Although once I had my sister sit in on a Candida session and she wasn't as close as I was - she herxed like crazy for days and I didn't herx at all.

I was doing the IF sauna very regular and her yeast is worse than mine.

Thanks Springshowers for the cleansing and other frequencies I will definately try those!
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
LoneDove--- Here's my remedy for herpes simplex lip sores:

LOMATIUM

It's an herb in the parsley family that grows in the dry Western plains. It's antiviral. It saved the WAshoe Indian tribe from the 1918 pandemic flu.

LOMATIUM completely, permanently wiped out my Herpes simplex lip sores. I just don't have to worry about that problem any more.

Lomatium is sold on the internet in the form of extracts. It doesn't cost much.

----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I received the MOPA late this afternoon. Watched the DVD that came with it, and set it up.

Here are a few helpful hints that may help when running this device.

Use a twenty amp outlet, it will kick out a fifteen amp circuit. When the lights go out from the machine starting up, it is intimidating to the person being treated, the person in this case was my wife. I heard "Just how much power is this thing using?" I also heard "Did we knock out the whole neighborhood". It was all kind of amusing to me, but she was not really laughing about it.

If you have arc fault circuit breakers, as I do, your problems are not over yet. Once I plugged into the twenty amp outlet, it worked fine the first time. When I started it up the second time to run some frequencies on myself, the twenty amp circuit held, but it knocked out the lights on the fifteen amp circuit again. Arc fault circuit breakers suck to begin with, and when the GB starts feeding into the MOPA, it seems to draw a lot of juice.
Why it took out a completely separate circuit is kind of strange, but these breakers seem to go out if you pass wind at times, so they are not very stable to begin with.

I am going to try run my cord through a APC battery backup in hopes of smoothing out the power surge. I will let you all know how that works out.

The plasma tube gets pretty warm after twenty minutes. I am not sure if there is a limit on how long you should run it, but if there is, it would be good to know.

I ran the 2016 Hz Lyme harmonic autoprogram with the carrier at 100 on the dial. I do not remember the frequency, but it is outside of the AM radio band, so I just used that setting to prevent any problems.

I ran the 2016 Hz harmonic for seven minutes with no reaction or sensation at all. I thought that was odd, but I have had it happen before with the 612 Hz harmonic program. I assume there is nothing in that range to hit. For the remaining thirteen minutes I switched on channel sweep mode. Channel Sweep mode varies the frequency five Hz above and below the set frequencies.

It only took a minute and the reactions started. Back, hip, ankle pain, and many other areas also. She had a stabbing sensation in one toe, and was in a bit of pain from that one. It would fade in and out, and I am assuming that as it reached a certain frequency as it swept, the reactions would increase as it hit the perfect range.

She had enough after that run, and I was not going to run it any longer on the first time out. Even though I had run the exact same program the day before, and for almost twice as long, I think I can say it was more effective if reactions mean anything.

Before she went to bed, some of the pain was fading, but she said the bottom of her feet felt like they were swelling. Never had that happen before.

It appeared to cause pain about everyplace. I am not sure what that means, but I felt nothing from it. Hopefully it means a lot of Lyme was destroyed, but that is not proven at this point.

I ran the Mycobacterium subspecies Avium Paratuberculosis aka (MAP) bacteria program on myself. This is a suspected Crohn's pathogen. I realized when I was done that these DNA frequencies were all running at the same time. I intended to run them in a sequence. This may not work through a plasma tube this way, so it was probably a waste of time. I felt nothing from the treatment, but I will do it the proper way next time.

Quite an intimidating device, but maybe it will get the job done. Now I will wait for a while and see if symptoms come back. I am quite sure I have enough power, and penetration. I may not have the perfect frequency though.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
She is still hurting from last nights treatment with the new MOPA device.

Since I did run the exact same autoprogram for almost twice as long the night before, only using the GB-4000 hooked up to the relatively weaker Rife Labs EMX, I can make some comparisons.

The first night using the EMX produced some increased ankle pain, as she already had some before treatment. The next day the pain was gone, which is more or less typical. No other areas were affected as far as sensations or pain experienced.

The next evening, running the more powerful MOPA, she felt pain all over running the same program for half as long.

If the pain level of the treatment means anything, then I would assume it hit much more Lyme than has been hit the prior night.

While most people would not feel a treatment no matter what, she has always been unique this way.
I use this to my benefit, as it seems to allow me to home in on what works or what does not work.

I just hope it is an accurate indicator.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Dan, How did you rewire your house for 20 amps? Is that a big project?

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Spring,

Where did you get the lists for all the frx above?

I can't wait to Rife again! One of my blood tests came back saying I have chronic kidney disease, more tests have to be done. It's freaking me out! (I can't Rife until I get this heart monitor off.)

liz
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Most Kitchen outlets are 20 Amps. The ones set up for Microwaves, high draw portable appliances.

You can look at your circuit breakers to find out which are 15 and 20 Amps.

If you do not have any 20 Amp outlets, you would need to rewire to use larger 20 amp breakers. So yes, that would be a big job.

I tried to hook up the MOPA through a battery backup, but it did not change anything. The 20 amp outlet did not kick out, but it would kick out the 15 amp arc fault breakers on another circuit.

Unless you have a new house, it is unlikely you would have arc fault breakers. They have only been in the electrical code for a couple of years.
They are not the same as ground fault breakers.

We had to put them in because we built a new house. I will probably be taking them out and replacing them with regular breakers. Code or not, they are often kicking out for no good reason.

The second run with the MOPA was about the same as the first. Lots of discomfort and she still has some traveling pain today. I am going to lay off until she fully recovers from the last two treatments.

The MOPA does hit pretty hard. I would not have had this kind of reaction with the old setup.

We will see how she feels in the next couple of days.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Sorry, I missed your post earlier Spring.

I do not know what the Exponential Ramp thing is all about.

I do know some have said that triangle waves need to be looked at closer as they have characteristic that may make them good for killing pathogens. I think basically because it is an abrupt rise time, and peak. Sort of like a sine or square wave when it is used with gating.

Trapezoid wave is nothing anyone has really used that I am aware of.

Odd or even order harmonics, is just that. There is no research that indicates one or the other is any better worse.

I do think having harmonics makes a difference in treating. A plasma tube automatically creates harmonics when frequencies are run through it. Something to think about when using a contact method that does not use a plasma tube.

Not that a single frequency does not work, but harmonics may be important for some pathogens, but not all of them. I think harmonics are particularly important when treating Cancer.

That is about all I know about those particular terms. I am not an expert by any means on electronics and wave forms. I have learned a bit from some experts.

Dan

types of :

Waveform Types:
Square, Square, Sweep, Sine,
Trapezoid; Triangle, Linear Ramp Up, Linear Ramp Down,
Exponential Ramp Up, Exponential Ramp Down,
Odd Order Harmonics, Even Order Harmonics,
Custom 1 - Custom 2 - Custom 3 - Custom 4
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
THanks Dan I appreciate that. I got to get some more reading done as I am ready to learn more and be able to try various settings instead of leave it on the manufacturers defaults. I may call them directly too to ask some questions.

I got the programs from the manufacturer who provided it to a group of patients who were attending a certain clinic for lyme treatment.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Dan,

Could you describe again how to hook up the GB-4000 so it runs through the EMEM? What you hook to what?

You said once before something about a banana plug, but that was befor i had a machine, and i imagined something big, yellow and curved, the size of 2 hands.

Now that i have seen the equipment, i'll be able to visualize it better.

Thank you for your long-term help ,

-----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
A Question for GB 4000 users....

I just got mine in the mail and I THINK there might be something wrong with it.

It is supposed to come preprogrammed.

1st problem: I went to add a custom channel that would run single frequencies and it looks like there are already frequencies programmed in?

2nd problem, I went to type in a lyme number so it would run the pre-programmed frequency list and it said this number was not valid. GRANTED I was using the manual from my Ulitmate B3.

Any thoughts....thanks in advance for your reply's
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Some of the newer GB-4000 units come with a BNC connector on the back already, so check for that first. If it does, you do not nee anything else. Just hook up to that connector.

If you do not have the BNC on the back then you need a banana plug to female BNC converter plug such as in the link below.

http://www.transcat.com/catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=TL3073

Then you just hookup the coax cable that comes with the EMEM to the converter plug and put the banana plugs into the red and black jacks on the GB-4000. Hook up the other end of the Coax as normal onto the EMEM.

You do not use the amplifier for the GB.

You have to run the GB in Audio mode as the EMEM is not designed to run anything but square waves, and the carrier wave is a sine wave.

Start both machines up with the GB power level knob turned to its lowest setting. Slowly increase the power until all of the tubes light up. Use the minimum power level that will keep the tubes lit. In audio mode the GB beeps several times before the power comes on.

That is about all there is to it.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
When you program the GB-4000 use autoprogram numbers that are well away from any that are preprogrammed. Otherwise you will over write one of the preprogrammed autoprograms.

I started my Lyme sets at 1000, as I do not have any autoprograms that use that high of a number.

Some of the newer ones may have additional autoprograms, so you really need the book that came with the unit to know the last number they used.

On my machine, which is older, the Lyme programs are 466 Lyme Disease Primary, 467 Lyme Disease Secondary, and 468 Lyme Hatchlings and Eggs. I am not sure that Lyme lays Eggs, but I am always amused by that description.

The numbering of the autoprograms may have changed since my machine was made. I am not sure about how that works.

Dan
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I got a defective GB in the mail. It would not run single frequencies, as several of the buttons didn't work. I returned it and bought a DT machine. I am still considering purchasing one down the road but wanted to start out with something less expensive.

tickbattler
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Sunmmer---

The machine is probably normal.

Channels 1 to 1000 are preprogrammed.

Channels 1000-2000 are empty, for you to program.

What number exactly did you take from the other manual?

There are a lot of ways to get an "invalid" message; i get them all the time, just little mistakes.

If you want to run the preprogrammed lyme channel on the GB4000, you could type in 466 after you punch the autochannel button.

But first you will enter a time. Before you punch any other button, enter , say, a 1 (for 1 minute); the machine will understand that as a time. Then, hit the autochannel button, then punch in 466. The 466 channel has several groups. Each of the groups will run for 1 minute, because that's the time length you keyed in.

Did you not buy the GB4000 manual? It would explain how to do these things.

Did you order the steel hand cylinders from the other company? The manual comes with them. If you didn't get the manual, ask the company; but it's Friday night. If you didn't get the manual, you'll be asking a lot of Q's here, at least this weekend!

If you don't enter a time as the first thing you punch in, the machine will default to 5 min. Since there are several groups in that channel 466, each group would run for 5 min.

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan, Polly, & TB -- Thank you for your responses, you have not only helped in bringing my blood pressure down, but answered all of my questions. THANKS!

Here is my current situation:

I am an American living in Australia. I bought a DT machine prior to moving in August 09. I really liked it, but wanted more power, more options and more control over my rife sessions.

I bought a gently used Ultimate B3 (the model before the GB 4000)from someone in Australia. It is basically the same machine, and I was loving the upgrade to the B3.

Well 2 weeks ago, I plugged my B3 into the wrong socket in our converter machine. I plugged into the 220 volts rather than the 110 volts.

So as you can imagine, I fried my machine. What followed was that I had a 'melt down.' My husband hadn't seen me cry in years and got so freaked out that he got online and ordered me the GB 4000.

I happened to be visiting my family in Philly for two weeks so I just had it shipped to my parents house and I figured that I would bring it back to Australia next week.

So I have the steel cylinders/foot pads/cotton covers from my B3, that I can use on the GB 4000. I thought the manual would be the same, but I am guessing that it isn't.

I am going to have to call the company that sells the manual and see if I can order just the manual.

In my B3 manual, channels 1-25 were reserved for custom programs. And then channels 26-3800 were auto programmed. So I figured, it would be the same for the GB.

So thank you for pointing out on the GB that 1-1000 are pre programmed & that 1000-2000 are for custom channels. That's where I was running into problems and what I was encountering earlier makes sense. (I was trying to enter a custom channel into a preprogrammed channel.)

In the B3 manual the preprogrammed numbers for lyme are: 1476, 1477, 1478, 1479.

Thank you!!!!! I will run the lyme numbers that you provided 466, 467, 468 - just to double check the machine works. I should be fine with the 5 min default.

Thanks again!
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Here is a very interesting post from CD57, enclosing a message from Char Boehm . Does anyone want to answer this? Dan, Spring?

QUOTE QUOTE QUOTE

CD57
posted 15 May, 2010 04:28 PM CD57

Hi Polly
I just got a GB4000. The guy who sold me mine does not seem to be able the below questions, so I thought I would try you since I saw your post helping Asummers.

This is an email I got from Charlene Boehm of DNAFrequencies.com, who will sell you individual frex for pathogens -- she actually does mathematical calculations on the DNA of the organism to find what it would be susceptible to. I was planning on buying some of her mycoplasma and bartonella frex.

Also, In my manual it says that the GB4000 runs both audio and radio frequency, so she would seem to be incorrect here. Do you know how to switch the machine on to make sure it runs radio frequency (RF)?

Below the dotted line is what she said about the GB400.

Thanks
[CD57]
------------------------------------
[QUOTE from Char Boehm]
Maybe you are already aware of this...but micro-current like what is delivered by the GB-4000 does not penetrate cells at low audio-range frequencies. You must either use a carrier wave in the low Mhz region (i.e., somewhere above 1 or 2 Mhz), or convert the frequencies up by octaves into that region. I have an octave calculator that I send to a lot of the GB-4000 users (and some other devices as well), for calculating those higher octaves.

If you have only been using audio-range frequencies with your GB-4000, it is probably not working well because both Bartonella and mycoplasmas are intracellular organisms.

Once you get the frequencies up high enough, and then patiently keep going on the sessions (I hope you don't have bad herxes), see how things go. I would want to know, so that maybe other people can be helped by refining the delivery method.

Another suggestion - stay away from running multiple frequencies at one time. The more you run, the more the power for each frequency is decreased (proportionately).
[END QUOTE from Char Boehm]
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Polly & CD57 -- great questions, thanks for posting.

I have signed the contract to use Char's frequency list, but I haven't ordered any yet, b/c I was waiting to set up my new GB 4000.

I know Dan has mentioned using Char's octave calculator, and I planned on using it as well.

CD57 -- Your GB should have come with a manual on how to switch between Audio & Radio Frequencies. My machine came pre programmed to run on the Radio Frequency.

The reason I know this is b/c my machine has a light that turns on indicting that I am in the radio frequency mode.

Dan has also mentioned that running the frequencies in multiples does lessen the power, so there are a few posts above about creating a custom channel on the GB so that you run thru the frequencies one at a time for a bigger bang for your buck.

Hope this helps
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The GB-4000 is in RF mode by default. When you turn it on, unless you change it to Audio mode, it is already in RF mode.

The effectiveness of a frequency in the audio range for any particular pathogen is not always known. Some low frequencies do work well in some cases.

I do know that you generally are going to have better results converting the frequencies to the highest harmonic you machine can run. This is particuarly true for the Lyme DNA frequencies.

I did not get any results from these frequencies until I stepped them up.

The other co-infections, I am not sure on the ideal range, but I have never had a higher harmonic of any low frequency not work. they either work as well, or work better. Of course my experience is limited to what i have dealt with.

Dan
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Dan -- what is a harmonic? Is that the same thing as a frequency -- ie, the higher the frequency you use, the better?

So to summarize it sounds like: it would be good to program a channel to run frex one at a time, per Dan and Char etc. Then, if you have a GB4000, to run it on Radio Frequency (indicated by RF light going on). Finally, to convert your lower frex into higher by using (what?).
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Anyone know the autochannel or frex for toxoplasmosis on GB4000?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
A harmonic is the same frequency, in a higher range.

The Lyme Harmonic autoprogram I created for Lyme is based on the frequency 2016 Hz.

It starts somewhere like 504 Hz and the rest are harmonics. It consists of 257, 504, 1008, 2016, 4032 8064, 16128, 32256.

I run these all at once, since they are just different octaves of the same frequency. I would run them at higher frequencies, but the GB has a limit on how high a square wave frequency it can run. Each frequency gets only 1/8th of the power, but I am also running these through the MOPA plasma device which greatly increases the power of all of the frequencies. This also creates even more harmonics as it is going through a plasma tube.

I now only run this in channel sweep mode, as the Lyme has a slight variation from 2016. It is the only Lyme treatment frequency program I use. I highly encourage anyone with a GB treating Lyme, program this into their machine and use it. It may be all you need for Lyme, but I am still trying to determine this for sure.

Back to the question. Yes, for most applications related to Lyme, I would run one frequency at a time. The only exception would be if you are running multiple harmonics of the same frequency at once.

I always run the GB in RF mode for using the contact method of treatment. I can't think of any good reason to ever run it in audio mode using contact method.

I also would run low three digit audio frequencies, in a higher harmonic range, as high as you can on your machine. Or at least try it, and see if it works better. It does not always work better, but it has never worked worse in my experience.

612 Hz always worked better for my wife than 306 Hz, although they are just harmonics of each other.

You can get a free frequency conversion program at this site. It is called the Harmonic Calculator vB. Char Boehm also has one available, free upon request.

http://www.rifejournal.com/RifeJournal.html

Otherwise you can just double the frequency to get a higher harmonic.

The book for my GB lists auto channel 815 for Toxoplasmosis. Some of these autochannels may have been renumbered with later units. Mine is from 2004. Can someone with a newer GB and a book for it, double check this?

Dan
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Dan -- great info

What amount of time are you using for each of your harmonics on your custom Lyme channel?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I use twenty minutes, but that is far too long to start with. Especially using the powerful MOPA device. Start at two minutes and work your way up. And that is if you have been treating for a while, using a lower powered mahine.

Anyone who uses one of these MOPA devices in the future, should know that this is wayyy more powerful than your average machine. Use it for real short times to begin with. 30 seconds is plenty. Do not try long run time. You will in all likelyhood end up in an emergency room from far too much die off at one time. Maybe worse.

Dan
 
Posted by Marnie (Member # 773) on :
 
Another Rife frequency - lyme link here:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Frequencies

432 Hz (and multiples) is very key, IMO, for very complex reasons.

Whether or not you believe this (432 Hz is the frequency of light):

http://www.omega432.com/music.html

http://www.myspace.com/omega432

Interview with Brian Collins:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6e8JJXa4UI&feature=related

I'm having a hard time replaying this interview with Brian Collins (which I saw several days ago), but the comment by another below re: "string theory" - ties directly into another post of mine today in the June 2010 issue of Discover Magazine. That theory is discussed in that issue too:

"Shing-Tung Yau is a force of nature. He is best known for conceiving the math behind the string theory - which holds that, at the deepest level of reality, ***our universe is built out of 10 dimensional, subatomic vibrating strings.***

But Yau's genius runs much deeper and wider: He has also spawned the modern synergy between geometry and physics, championed unprecendented teamwork in mathematics, and helped forster and intellectual rebirth in China."

Caution...the article goes way above my head!!! That guy is truly a genius.

[ 05-17-2010, 03:49 PM: Message edited by: Marnie ]
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Yesterday my guts were in bad condition; i was a little desperate so i took a Diflucan. Then i rifed 73 minutes, with the hand bars on the abdomen, on all the Candida, Yeast, Fungus and Mold frex.

Nothing worked!!! Nothing had any effect.

I'm in a bad mood because nothing works.

PS One day later--- a good gut day. So did those remedy attempts have a one-day delayed effect?

PS It ended as a bad gut day. But i think i found the solution--- see my next post.

-----Polly Polygonum
-------or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 05-19-2010, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
maybe it is working and that is why you feel bad?

Candida does have a die-off/herx.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Marnie

432 is a very common and key frequencies we all have been using and agreed it is very useful

If you read the thread you will find it talked about and used in a ton of programs and by itself by each and every one of us rifing!

: )
 
Posted by LoneDove (Member # 16516) on :
 
Here's an update on my skin.

It was looking like psoriasis but I've never had psoriasis. Before it itched so bad. The skin started swelling and skin flaking in a mass about 2" diameter. The skin under my foreskin is normally very soft and smooth.

The flea attack of about 25 flea bites in one area on the bottom of my forearm got better after putting a wet salt bar on it when showering. It calmed down the infection and swelling and itching.

It hasn't disappeared but it's down about 70% after 2 days of treating it with the salt bar 1-2x a day.

I tried iodine but that seemed to irritate it. Something really weird it happening with my skin though.

I notice little things that look like tiny red spots but they're little blisters and they itch.

One area a dog scratched me lightly and these little blister/bumps rose up along the scratch line.

I noticed another red, raised place on my chest like hives but it doesn't itch.

Is this bart???
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
I am happy to report that I just read this entire thread - Finally!

Big thanks to everyone who contributed.

I've been rifing using DT frequencies that come with his machine since Sept 09 and totally off ABX. I've only beed rifing every 10 to 14 days but want to step it up a "notch" and add frequencies.

Would like an opinion. I want to do the "general Detox" followed by the "Lymph" "Liver" and "kidney" frequencies followed by Lyme Bart and Erlich later in the day. I will also be using my infrared sauna tonight. (40 to 45 min apx 140 degrees)

Can I go right to the max time amounts on the detox and organ frequencies?

I'm going to stick with the frequencies I'm currently using for "Lyme & Co" for now - and then study the notes I've copied and pasted from here and add suggested frequencies.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
10,000 Hz reduces swelling over night from die off, so I am speculating that it stimulates Lymph function.

I have used this several times and it works well.
You only need to run it for ten minutes or so.

Dan
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Mojo Wow Congrads on reading the Whole thing!!

I wanted to answer what I feel about the detox frequencies and organ supports.. I used them first as I was not sure how I would respond to the rife overall and had a bit of fear of going right into the kill mode. As well it was recommended to me by who was overseeing my health.

I did one at a time at full time period and I waited a couple days after each. I had no herx and some slight feeling better right off the bat. Then I started putting them together on the same night and doing just the detox and organs and again did fine and felt more than slight better. I liked it a lot. I was at the end of an intensive treatment protocol anyhow and I was wanting to soak up those toxins. It really helped.

After a good few weeks I started to add in the General Parasite and Viral numbers and then after a couple more weeks I added in the Lyme and Babs and Erlich etc.

I therefore was able to track how my body responded to those items and I found the Detox and organ supports were something I never wanted to miss during any treatment. Still to this day...I do them all no matter what other stuff I am running.

Long story short. I think you can handle the full times but you may want to do some testing out just in the beginning because everyone is different.

I would say if you feel you have done a lot of detox and your body is flowing well or at least somewhat well then it will not be an issues. Others who I have talked to who are maxed out on toxins have to take it slower even and even those supportive programs the create a herx due to the detox affect only. In which case I would guess you should stay on just those til it has cleared before going for the kill numbers..

This is just my opinion and experience and from talking to a few others who ended up using the programs I have posted for Detox Liver Kidney Lymph.

I am not working on trying Adenal and Thyroid and hormone supportive rifing and nothing to report yet because its too soon but so far so good..Even just the stimulation affect of the rife I feel will help. No scientific data here just my own experience and feeling : )
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
Thank you SS for the feedback.

I did the Liver and Lymph already. I will wait until tomorrow to do the Kidney and go from there.

I'm using the sauna 2 to 3 times per week which helps tremendously with detox but I feel my Lymphs are a little plugged.

I'm still going to do my 'normal' "Lyme & Co" tonight because I'm pretty used to that.
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
All I've got to say was that I'm glad I clicked on Marnie's links. Very facinating stuff.
Also found a video on you tube of his called Water that was amazing. It's 6 minutes and one needs to click on the bottom right hand corner of the you tube screen to appreciate the beauty of the photography along with the music at 432 freq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr4P4hUttso&feature=related
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
Wow - I ended up being super hyper yesterday after doing the Liver and Lymph Frequencies then 10 minues of 10K. I was totally geeked up even at night.

I normally require a 2 hour nap every afternoon but I was way too wired to sleep and even had trouble sleeping last night. My sister thinks the Lymph - especially the 10K are probably the cause.

I did some errands today - which for me counts as exercise - and then did my "normal" DT recommended Lyme/Bart/Erlich rifing but added one minute of 612.

SO glad I read SS post before I did the Kidney - One step at a time from now on LOL.
 
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
 
Sorry I didn't read this whole thread so I don't know if this has been covered or not. I have a DT EMEM5.

I tried the frequency 842 and got SO sick. I thoght I was going to have to go to the hospital. I only did it for 15 seconds.

I tried it again about 9 months later at only 10 seconds. I got really sick again.

Has anyone else got sick from 842. I think it's a Bart freguency.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hello.. wow this thread is near 1000 posts Amazing and great too. I looked and looked for something just like this that gave peoples feedback and Specific numbers and ideas they used.

And I never could really find anything this specific and now here it is. I am so glad and proud of you all.. "us" for doing this to help others.!

Mojo. yeah one step at a time. And It is obviously dong something for you.. Glad so glad. after awhile it will just be supporting your progress and maintaining. That is what I have found.

I hope it does give you positive responses overall.

Hey.. I still am not sure if I will fly with my box. I am nervous about it. I do not want to end up having to leave it at the airport and pay to have it shipped. I do have my sons aunt who works for the airline I am traveling on and she was not sure as she has not "heard" of rife. lol. But at least she should take it home with her if she is working that day or ?
I want to take it but do not want a big deal around it .. ya know? It seeems like hit or miss at the airport.

Aiden Not heard of 842 being a big deal but we are all different and it obviously is affecting you strongly. amazing how sick you get at 10 seconds?!! wow. Try 1 second maybe? Work up from there.. Never heard of that before..!
Or.. Do the Detox and Organ supports first for awhile and clear out those toxins and then try it again. That is what I would do. I have found that to be key for all treatment modalities.

The sicker reaction and stronger one I get means to stop and detox first and then try again. i even did detox fof 6 months prior to a very strong med I was trying. IT WORKED> After that I could take the med like it was NOTHING no herx and that was Great!!
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Wow! This rife machine actually WORKED! It's hard to believe--- i think it really, really worked!!

My guts were in BAD condition, and rifing on all the Candida, yeast, fungus, and mold frex DIDN'T WORK. Getting WORSE.

I was so upset, getting ready to make various doctor appointments, planning to start using the PE-1 for Candida (which is not so simple, first you have to obtain a homeopathic nosode for candida)--- which might not work either.

Then this morning i rifed on 18 minutes Bart singles, some higher 2 to the nth power multiples of Lyme 612, Babs, Toxoplasmosis, Wounds (bacteria), Brain cleaning.

Plus i rifed 5 minutes on IRRITABLE BOWEL SYNDROME groups, channel 431 :

20 728 7270 784 7870 803 8300 832 880 8450 422 6766 1550 10000 776 7660 690 440 444 105 791 10 5000 800 8020 148 6.3 2.5 522 146 428 555 333 999 230 125 95 72 1865 500

and 5 minutes on C DIFF (just for insurance):

387 635 673

and also ate some chocolate to test it. I did NOT rife on any Candida, fungus, etc. frex!

The bully little machine seems to have cured my guts in 5 or 10 minutes, no rumbings or disasters all day! Feels ok, normal! That was it!! It saved me a whole lot of trouble, incapacitating problems, and expenses for doctor appointments!

I still can't absorb the fact that the MACHINE WORKED. I got used to it NOT working on Candida frex!!

So do i have a Candida gut infection? Now i don't know. I did NOT suspect a bacteria problem because i take LOTS of probiotics all day, always, 4 different brands.

Maybe the rifing for Bartonella upset the gut flora balance, maybe too many good bacteria got killed? I guess i need to upgrade and buy a more expensive, fancier brand of probiotic? Or just rife the problem away?

Aiden--- yes, 842 is a Bartonella frex! Have you done any other treatments for Bart? Do you have recognizable symptoms?
---------------------------------------------

PS One day later:--- the "cure " lasted one day, then some relapse. It's the same old Candida (or something) that didn't respond to Diflucan or rifing, but was affected by something in the channel of IBS frex--- for one day.

So now i have to rife for an hour on Candida mold fungus yeasst, plus other gut channels, to keep it down for ONE DAY. If it would stay down for a week, it would be worth spending the time.

I'm getting ready to start PE-1.

-----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 05-20-2010, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
So glad the bully machine worked for you LOL! Awesome.

I wanted to ask about the Bart frequencies listed here. I am only using 1518 and 832 for six minutes each.

The first time I use the Bart frequencies that are on this thread - should I go slow or three min each? I went from 2 to 3 min on my current frequencies right to 6 with no herx but after reading the above thread about 832 - not so sure what to do when it's "time"

This is an awesome thread!
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Can anyone recommend frequencies for a stomach bug or food poinsoning? I started feeling bad last night and now have nausea, pain and diahreah. I don't think it's Lyme-related.

What bacteria would cause this? Campylobacter? Any other ideas?

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
 
[Aiden--- yes, 842 is a Bartonella frex! Have you done any other treatments for Bart? Do you have recognizable symptoms?

-----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed [/QB][/QUOTE]


I was positive through Quest for Bartonella Henselae. I could not tolerate the antibiotics used to treat it.

Kathy
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Aiden---- if you are positive for Bart, you should treat it! It can only get worse, right?

If you can tolerate one second on 842, that's what you should do. How long is your Herx from that? Then when the Herx is over, do it again.

As Dan says, such a slow pace would not overcome the growth rate.

Can you tolerate the Zhang herb Hhoutuynia? You should try that.

Tough problem! How sick do you get? Is it life-threatening?

I wouldn't take those Bart drugs either.

Did you read what Springshowers posted, that she did a lot of detox and then was able to tolerate tough drugs?

Maybe doing a lot of detox combined with one second of Bart rife would remove the toxins so you wouldn't suffer so much.


----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by Faith6 (Member # 14072) on :
 
Rifed for the 4th time today... Just detox and three of the CAFL kidney tonic general(the others yesterday).

Is there such a thing as urinary worms? If so is it possible to pass them within hours?
 
Posted by aiden424 (Member # 7633) on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by pamoisondelune:
[QB] Aiden---- if you are positive for Bart, you should treat it! It can only get worse, right?

I'm on 400mg of Doxcycline right now, but it took over a year to get to this dose. My worst herx is when I get really short of breath and I feel like I'm going to pass out.

I feel really sick, like a really bad flu. It usually last about a week to ten days. I only rife every two weeks.

I'm going to keep doing 842, and up the time each time until I don't feel sick from it anymore.

I will try to detox more too.

Kathy
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Cindy dug out another Deer tick that was attached to her. It was about the size of a head of a pin.

They could at least wait until we have cured the original Lyme, before trying to reinfect her.

I really do not see any way to keep from getting infected around here. It is just a matter of time.

I have something, that just feels like a cold, but I have had the ticks crawling all over me also, so now I am a bit paranoid. I guess I will take a slug of MMS and see what happens.

She is going to have to get a heavy duty treatment tonight.

Dan
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
Kathy - those sound like Bart symptoms to me - I get that, too.

Dan - Sorry about all those ticks!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Man Dan that sounds horrible. They are all over you? And your wife is bit again? My goodness.
Will say prayers for you and thinking of you.

I hope it will not mean a reinfection and I pray you do not get ill.

Ughh.. How horrible to have them "all over you"?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It is not like we are not used to ticks. They have been nothing more than a nuisance for most of my life. I never seen a Deer tick until the 90's. Now they are everyplace, and you just cannot always see them.

We both picked off over twenty when we went walking in the woods this spring. It just is the way it is, and I am not going to hole up in the house to avoid them.

I took some MMS, although I think this is just a cold. I was due for a dose anyway. Cindy will not take MMS no matter what. I do not really know why, but she absolutely will not.

I think taking MMS is probably the best first thing you can do, after being bit.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I didn't rife yesterday, but the head symps were building up all day, so finally at 1 am i felt compelled to rife for 1 hour.

I did 5 min on Irritable Bowel channel, and strangely, those frex made my head feel very HAPPY.

I did Lyme frex 19584 and 9792 (multiples of 612), which my head could feel. In comparison 612 feels too weak and blah.

Guts were in normal, good condition this a.m.

My complaint is, i can't even go ONE DAY without needing to rife? I have to spend 1 hour a day at this? I guess it could be the Bart (or Toxoplasmosis?) growing fast?

I did the usual 18 min on Bart singles, 1 min each. After the session my head felt clear and happy. i appreciated the happy head and felt it was worth rifing.

So does this go on indefinitely, one hour a day at the least?

-------

Dan, people have their own ways of doing things, but i wouldn't go in the woods unprotected, picking up ticks. I carry my spray bottle of Dr Bronner's peppermint soap (diluted) and keep my boots sprayed and wet. If necessary , i carry clippers to clear a path.

-----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by AllergicGuy (Member # 26031) on :
 
Hi All,

Brand new here at Lymenet! :-)

Wife and I have been using Rife for about five years on and off. Not for Lymes which we are just now suspecting for each of us... SIGH...

Rife is an AMAZING treatment for so many things!

I'm posting since I don't see any reference to the great FREE frequency generators out there or to CAFL.

Google CAFL short for Consolidated Annotated Frequency List and you will get the full list of popular frequencies for all ailments A to Z.

I've been using FREX which is a free download for any Windows machine... You can pay which unlocks the software and gives access to the fourms or you can just use it and have to restart it every 15 minutes...

Can't say enough good about Rife or FREX. Now that I suspect Lymes I'm back to using Rife today!!

AG
 
Posted by AllergicGuy (Member # 26031) on :
 
P.S.

I hook my laptop up to TENS pads and Rife using FREX this way! FREE and it works!

Also forgot to add the link to FREX
http://heal-me.com.au/frex.html

Thanks everyone!
AG
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
I'm still herxying a little from Wed evening rife session. All I did differently (besides doing the Liver and then Lymph and then 10K for ten min earlier in the week) was add one minute of 612.

Wed I was OK, but skipped my sauna (getting too warm out) and I was very sick all day and night Thursday. Yesterday I felt OK in the pm after my nap but woke up sick again today.

I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to do the "general cleansing" today and if I can go right to 3 min per frequency?? Does this ever make people herx? Should I start slower.

I thought I was pretty "clean" but now I wonder...................
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi Mojo

I wanted to say that When I posted the detox and organ support as part of my protocol and where I started I got feedback that others were not using anything else besides the lyme and co infections frequencies for the most part.

It was I that kept posting them and sharing them as I really felt they helped me. I think there are only a couple who have actually adopted them or followed them besides me so you may not get a big response to your questions.

Just so you know. I could be wrong and maybe more people than I think now use them? But I have not heard about it much except a select few.

I think you probably know better than us about how much you should do because you have been feeling your responses lately. But I think that you may want to do just 1 minute of each frequency on that program first and work up? But its up to you.

I wish you luck and I hope that it works out where you feel better with them and not herx. At that point you can use them after killing numbers and it will help you detox and clear stuff out much faster. It helped me.

Maybe not everyone feels they need that extra support but I am one who does.

Let us know
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
Thank you - i was thinking one minute each to start, as well.

This will be great for me as I can't use my sauna in the warm summer months.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I want to add something I learned for users of the GB4000: if you have a frex such as say, 900.56, the machine doesn't accept the "6" in .56, it will go only to tenths past the decimal point. (Gee did I get my math right?). So you have to round up or down, for example 900.56 becomes 900.6.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Okay this is gonna be long and drawn out so ya'll bare with me. As most of you know I've been rifing for over a year now with amazing results. After almost 3 years straight of abx and antimalarials I was able to stop all meds last June.

I have had very defined periods of wellness marked by very defined herxes and for the most part am able to tell what's a herx, a flair, etc. Besides a couple of what I would call "mini flairs" I have been functioning at about 90% since this past September and have been able to lead a normal, active life.

Fast forward to about 6 weeks ago. I moved back to Mississippi from Colorado and have been under an enormous amount of personal stress. Besides the move which obviously included a major climate and altitude change, I've started a new job and I'm also going through a divorce.

My new roomate has (had! gone now!) an indoor/outdoor cat and a few days after moving in I found a tick crawling on the couch. Then I found a tick crawling on the cat a few days later, then a tick just chilling on the screen of my laptop and then my roomate found one crawling on his neck one night. Basically, in span of a week we found 4 ticks in the house. I was FREAKED to say the least.

A few days later I felt this weird scab/bite on the back of my head but I couldn't see it so I had a friend look at it. Said it looked like a little bug bite and I didn't think much else about it.

About a week later I started getting pretty sick pretty fast. The first thing was that awful flu feeling - just weak and sick - accompanied by the worst night sweats I have ever experienced in my life. I've been having them pretty much nightly for about 3 weeks now and I mean I wake up drenched. My hair is soaked, my clothes, my heart is pounding...ugh it just sucks.

As most of you also know I "beat" babesia with my rife machine back in the fall so babs has been a non-issue for me for a long time. Even when I did have babs I RARELY had night sweats and when I did they weren't drenching.

Another new symptom I'm having is pain. I know a lot of people with Lyme experience pain as their main symptom but this has never been the case for me. I am what most would call a "neuro lymie".

Well, soon after the night sweats started the pain started. I can't describe my pain very well, but I'll do the best I can. It is this all over, head to toe pain and nothing makes it go away. It feels like all the nerves in my body are exposed to cold air - kinda like a tooth ache but put it in body form.

Also my muscles are so stiff it's ridiculous - every muscle in my body feels like a rubberband that has been stretched to the breaking point especially my neck and calves.

Finally, a few days ago my joints started aching - wrists, knees, hips and the aching has now turned into feeling like someone is sawing my limbs off. Yes, it's that bad.

Now let me add to this that I noticed a very faint rash on my neck right below my ear a couple of weeks ago also. I've had this same rash on and off since contracting Lyme but 3 days ago I woke up and it had formed a perfect bulls-eye. It's still there but lighter in color.

Now in the midst of all this I have been rifing my *** off. I mean sometimes twice a day, but to be honest it's doing nothing for my symptoms. Unless I'm stuck in a giant herx from over-rifing (possible, I suppose) and am just so toxic that I can't tell which way is up and which way is down anymore...honestly I just have no clue what is going on.

I always flair in the spring but my flairs are always OLD symptoms that I haven't had in ages coming back not brand new ones that won't go away. Is this just a mega flair from stress, moving, season, altitude change? Have I been re-infected?? These are basically rhetorical questions that I'm asking - I know no one can say for sure. The one thing I can say for sure is that I am very sick again and very confused.

Out of desperation more than anything I started minocycline 3 days ago - same day I noticed the bullseye rash. The only thing I've noticed so far since starting back on mino is a "my head is about to explode" headache that won't quit.

And lastly, there is one thing that I forgot to mention - I did get a kidney infection a couple of weeks ago and from past experience the only thing that gets rid of them for me is flagyl so I did several days of flagyl at 750mg a day. I was having all the symptoms I've named above but after taking the flagyl they went from a 5 in severity to a 10.

If I only had one thing going on it would be so much easier to pinpoint the cause of all this. I could say "okay I'm under an incredible amount of stress and x happened so that must be the cause", or "okay I have a bullseye, we've had ticks in the house, duh" or "okay, I was already flairing, I had to take flagyl on top of it, obviously this aggravated my symptoms" but since it's been all of those things there's no way for me to pinpoint the cause.

Any advice on what to do at this point? Any opinions on what could be going on?
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Gosh that is quite a story. I think it sounds like you got reinfected. My opinion after reading your whole post.

I hope you can feel better somehow by rifing but it may be smart to stay on those meds and get into a doctor. It sounds like a serious case and those are the type of symptoms i have had for years.

The pain and the stiffness and such. I assume you have fatigue and then the headaches.. etc.

Blessings.

I hope you figure it out that is for sure and I hope you caught it early if it is a reinfection and it is treatable quickly.

Also I would stay on the rife but you may be doing a bit too much with this new infection and can not do as much as you used to when you were all ready clearing out so much..

Take care.

Maybe others will have better ideas or more to add..
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It sounds like Babesiosis symptoms more than Lyme, but the two are overlapping so who can say for sure.
Both are probably contributing to the bad symptoms. Bart is also possible, but only experimentation will reveal which is causing the problems, and all could be involved.

I would run the CAFL Babesia and Bart frequencies. I do have more faith in the DNA frequencies from Char Boehm. I do not know if you have these or not, but you can get them from her site.

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/

It is too bad we have to always face the chance of infection or reinfection. It is certainly a real likely possibility around here.

Dan
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
I'm thinking new infection, too.

I pretty much agree with springshowers.

I'm so sorry you are so sick again.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Damn, that sucks - not what I wanted to hear! [Smile]

It is a shame that we have to worry about reinfection even when careful. As much as I love the outdoors I pretty much stay away just to minimize the risk - I didn't give much thought to the cat until it started bringing ticks in.

I'm going to stay on top of rifing but will also stay on the mino for a couple of months too, just to be on the safe side.

Dan as far as rifing for babs, bart and lyme - I've been rifing for all 3 and it just doesn't seem to be helping.

What sucks the most is that I remember clearly the first time I rifed for babs and the instant relief I got from my symptoms. My babs symptoms now are kinda like my old ones but times 10 - and rifing is doing absolutely nothing.

Ah well, either way I'll figure it out.

Thanks for the input ya'll.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
How about rifing for the Detox and Organ supports that I posted and Mojo has been doing lately.

IF your have a higher load of toxins you are going to herx more and longer until the load gets down to that point where you can rife and feel better.

That is how I see it and how it happened for me and seems for many others I read about.

But I am not a doctor and do not know for sure.

Thats for sure! : )

But just an idea.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Thanks Springshowers, I'll definitely look into the detox frequencies. On a positive note - if I have been reinfected I am much better equipped to deal with it as far as knowledge is concerned, and I have faith that over time my machine will take care of whatever is going on.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Oh yeah anybody know the ehrlichia frequencies?? Thought I'd try them and see what happens. Thanks!
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Lymielauren---

You told us a lot of evidence pointing to a new infection; that's the story i thought you are telling. And dreadfully awful.

I can't find Ehrlichia listed, but it is a rickettsia, so here are the rickettsia frex:

Rickettsia (bacteria that are transmitted to man by lice, fleas, ticks, and mites. Can cause typhoid fever and Q fever.) - 129, 632, 943, 1062, 549, 720, 726, 521, 2085, 4170

QUOTE:

Ehrlichiosis is a newly recognized and potentially life-threatening disease that is spread by ticks. Since 1986, two types of human ehrlichiosis have been identified in the United States: human monocytic ehrlichiosis (HME) and human granulocytic ehrlichiosis (HGE). The illnesses differ in the types of white blood cells they attack -- either monocytes or granulocytes.

What is the infectious agent that causes ehrlichiosis?

Ehrlichiosis is caused by specialized bacteria called rickettsiae. HME is caused by Ehrlichia chaffeensis. HGE is caused by a newly identified but as yet unnamed Ehrlichia.

What are the signs and symptoms of ehrlichiosis?

The disease is similar to Rocky Mountain spotted fever and can be severe and life-threatening. The most common symptoms are sudden high fever, tiredness, major muscle aches, severe headache, and, in some cases, a rash.



How soon after exposure do symptoms appear?

Symptoms usually appear 3 to 16 days after a tick bite.



How is ehrlichiosis diagnosed?

Diagnosis is difficult, even in severe cases. Special laboratory tests can detect recent infection with Ehrlichia bacteria. Because diagnostic tests are not widely available, the diagnosis of ehrlichiosis is usually based on symptoms and a history of exposure to ticks.



Where is ehrlichiosis found?

In the United States, HME has so far been concentrated in the southeast and south-central regions. HGE has been found mainly in the upper midwestern and northeastern states, but also in northern California.



How do people get ehrlichiosis?

People get ehrlichiosis from the bite of an infected tick. Evidence suggests that the lone star tick transmits HME and that the deer tick transmits HGE. The deer tick also spreads Lyme disease and babesiosis.
----//www.dhpe.org/infect/ehrlichiosis.html

UNQUOTE UNQUOTE

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by seekhelp (Member # 15067) on :
 
I'd move. Not worth it. Why bother going through that hell?

quote:
Originally posted by D Bergy:
Just a side note on how bad the ticks are in Northern MN.

We went out into the woods yesterday to look for Morel Mushrooms. By the time we were done, we both picked off over 20 ticks each, one Dog Tick was attached to my wife. About one forth of the ticks were Deer Ticks.

I do need to find a quick easy way to kill of tick borne illness, since we are bound to run into it time and time again.

That is just one more reason I need to explore frequency treatments, to their conclusion.

I am sure there are many other areas just as bad as ours.

Dan


 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Lauren,

I was a neuro Lymie until I got a dozen mysterious bites one night. I had migratory pain before then, very easy to deal with, but a month after the bites the pain hit! (I remember the month part, because I was feeling so good the month before I got a brand new, expensive sewing machine and on the day I was took lessons I was in so much pain).

Anyway, I could not believe the pain! I was definitely infected with something from the bugs that bit me. I also had severe tremors (and other junk) as it progressed. My LLMD finally put me on abx (prior to that it was Cat's Claw and sups).

I believe even yrs. before that I was infected and reinfected.

liz

PS I turn in the heart monitor (eCAT) Thur., looking fwd to rifing again.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Assignment for rifers: Find frequencies for Ehrlichiosis and Chagas disease. I can't find either of the CAFL list.

The CAFL list needs an update!

---Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Spring---
What 6 frex are you using for toenail fungus?

Thanks! And thanks for all your broad-ranging, productive questions!

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Both Chagas and Ehrlichiosis are available as the experimental DNA based calculated frequencies from Char Boehm.

http://www.dnafrequencies.com/store/index.pl?type=human

Chagas goes under the scientific name for the protozoa (Trypanosoma cruzi).

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I suppose we could move, but our jobs are here, my family is near, I love the area for various other reasons, and I am not predisposed to running from adversity. Basically, there are more pluses than minuses.

I have been bit a couple of times myself, but now that I know that any given tick can carry a disease of one kind or another, I treat any tick bite immediately. I use MMS for a couple of weeks with any tick bite.

I don't care if it has been attached for one minute, two days or what kind of tick it is. I do not think it is too hard to eliminate most of the diseases if you do it right away. It is not hard to clear out the blood, but once it gets beyond that point, it becomes a problem.

You just adapt to the situation with a little common sense, and I hope that will keep us clear of any new infections.

Since my MOPA device does broadcast for some distance, I also may be disinfecting the ticks in my immediate area. I really have no way of knowing that, but it is possible.

Dan

quote:
Originally posted by seekhelp:
I'd move. Not worth it. Why bother going through that hell?

quote:
Originally posted by D Bergy:
Just a side note on how bad the ticks are in Northern MN.

We went out into the woods yesterday to look for Morel Mushrooms. By the time we were done, we both picked off over 20 ticks each, one Dog Tick was attached to my wife. About one forth of the ticks were Deer Ticks.

I do need to find a quick easy way to kill of tick borne illness, since we are bound to run into it time and time again.

That is just one more reason I need to explore frequency treatments, to their conclusion.

I am sure there are many other areas just as bad as ours.

Dan



 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Lauren! That just sucks.....it sounds like a new infection to me, and yes you are on top of it. I can't believe your personal stress too, good grief. You know divorce is up at the top of the list of stressors? You are amazing to have moved and started a new job too!

Here are the erlichia frex I have, from Rosner's book:
328, 336.4, 347, 366, 382.2, 385, 394,7, 672.7, 749.2, 764.4, 918, 1317, 1364.9, 1369.8
 
Posted by jarjar (Member # 8847) on :
 
I have been getting good results working with bart. freq. to get rid of pain in calves and feet.

So yesterday I thought it was time to go after my brain. I have the gb4000. so I put one pad on my neck and one on my forehead and layed back in my recliner. Did about 5 freq. at 5 minutes.
Woke up this morning with headache and a red forehead that stung somewhat like a sunburn also a red streak. It went away as the morning went on except for the streak that stings a little when touched.
Needless to say I will be working more on my brain since brain fog has always been a factor for me. I think I ticked off the bart!
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
The frequencies that came with my DT EMEM 5A for Erlichia are:

375, 550, 942, 1064

I thought I had rid myself of erlichiosis but I herxed pretty bad when I added these in.
 
Posted by Faith6 (Member # 14072) on :
 
Just starting rife..... I know you're not supposed to use plasma machines around computers. I am wondering if I should also use it away from my digital camera and computer/picture backup disks. I don't know if magnets also harm them. Anyone?
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Dan--- Would you like to comment on Allergic Guy's set-up on page 12?

QUOTE

I've been using FREX which is a free download for any Windows machine... You can pay which unlocks the software and gives access to the fourms or you can just use it and have to restart it every 15 minutes...

I hook my laptop up to TENS pads and Rife using FREX this way! FREE and it works!

Also forgot to add the link to FREX
http://heal-me.com.au/frex.html

UNQUOTE UNQUOTE

----Polly Polygonum
---- or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by psr1 (Member # 22957) on :
 
this is pretty much what I do as well: I know it is not real powerful but it causes reactions - I know it is doing something
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
Faith - I use mine in my dining room away from TV's computers, etc.
 
Posted by j_liz (Member # 20496) on :
 
Ok, this is news to me. How and what can happen?

liz

quote:
Originally posted by Faith6:
Just starting rife..... I know you're not supposed to use plasma machines around computers. I am wondering if I should also use it away from my digital camera and computer/picture backup disks. I don't know if magnets also harm them. Anyone?


 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Okay, the one thing I am sure of at this is point is Bartonella. My legs and feet are killing me, especially when I first wake up in the mornings. I rifed yesterday on 832 for bart - about 4 and half minutes into it my calf muscles were literally vibrating and after a few minutes all my muscle pain was gone.

Interestingly I had air hunger for the rest of the day as well as crying jags that came and went with the wind - but no more pain.

Woke up this morning in pain again and it hurts to walk. My legs just ache. **** this disease.
 
Posted by Faith6 (Member # 14072) on :
 
mojo, Thanks, I am using it away from computers/ TV and then started thinking about other things that may be effected too.

j_liz, It's something with the magnetic field. Magnets can erase info on computers so I'm wondering what else the magnetic field can effect.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
The Frex program is a good one, and I have recommended it as one of the better computer based frequency generators. It is designed to be used with some amplification as it is very weak if used directly from a computer.

Some computer sound cards are not as good at accurately producing frequencies either, so you have an additional variable that can cause problems.
Often there is a range in which they are good enough and then they start distorting.

If you use this method,without amplification, and without knowing how good you sound card is, just understand that it is minimal, and may not work. It certainly may have an effect, and I do not discourage it use, but do not use it as a test of whether the method works or not, unless you are using it as intended.

I have one of the most powerful plasma machines available at this time, but it still has not harmed any electronic device in my house. I do not put a computer right next to it, but I have been working on my laptop in the same room and I have not had a problem yet.

Magnets placed real close to a computer will erase the hard drive. I use a powerful magnet to clear out old office computers before getting rid of them.

I am going to have to try that 832 Bart frequency.
Cindy has some of those feet calf reactions using Lyme frequencies, and I am starting to suspect it is something else other than Lyme

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
WOW again!! The rife cured my BUNIONS! I NEVER would have imagined! How did it do that??

I never rifed on Bunions or joints.

The base joints of my big toes were stiff for years, disconnected, i wouldn't try to bend them, it would hurt. The two parts of the joint were disconnected.

I'd been noticing recently that i didn't have to be careful with them. Today i found that i can bend the joints of the big toes!

What happened????

[Do bunions heal by themselves after years of being careful and not bending them? Maybe rife had nothing to do with it? I haven't researched whether bunions can heal themselves.]
---------

In the next miracle cure, RIFE DIDN"T WORK (i think) on my Candida, but something else apparently CURED my
ruinous, plaguing gut problem!

Last night i ran Candida and yeast frex for 30 minutes on the abdomen. I ran a sweep 460-467.
It felt good, i thought maybe it was sufficient.

But afterwards the grumbling and growling in the gut was so loud i couldn't sleep. And it was hours after i ate anything.

So i took the usual herbals like Garden of Life brand "Fungal Defense", Colostrum, olive leaf, serrapeptase, soil probiotics with 1.8 mg copper. Seemed to have no effect, so i also tried a HOMEOPATHIC.

I didn't even know if it was potent, since they say not to store homeopathics together with mint or i forget what else, and this had been in a box for a month or two on top of some mints.

And it contained alcohol; so, since i hate alcohol, i rubbed it on my inner elbows, as Keebler mentioned. It's a Sanum brand Pleo San Cand 6x. Selma used this brand to cure her fungi.

The noise abated enough so i could sleep. Next morning, guts perfect, no problem. All day, no gut problems, NONE. Then i ate some sugary cookies. NO GUT REACTION, not a peep, not the faintest, slightest reaction from the gut. I also rubbed some more homeopathic in the elbows.

It's now been more than 4 hours since i ate the cookies, and there has been NOT THE SLIGHTEST REACTION from the inner kingdom. It's like CURED..... CURED???? After more than a year of worry and problems?? What did it, ONE dose of homeopathic???

PS Next day--- it's not completely cured. Now i think it was the rifing that caused the big improvement. This has happened before. The rife cures it for one day. But it's better than before. I need to just keep rifing i guess.

PPS Several days later--- I didn't use any more homeopathic. My guts are better than in a long time. I think the rife works, but that a patch of candida far down in the gut hasn't been affected yet;, maybe it's a positioning problem, maybe it's far to the back.

---- Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed

[ 05-28-2010, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: pamoisondelune ]
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I have been surprised by a homeopathic treatment for Hay fever that I figured would do little or nothing.

It was not 100% clear whether it helped myself or not, since the symptoms vary from year to year. But I have not had to take anything for it for two years now.

My son had it much worse, almost a dangerous reaction. He used the same bottle I had used and in one week it eliminated 90% of his symptoms.

I do not know how it worked, but I cannot deny that it did work, and worked very well.

You just never know when you will stumble into a very effective treatment method.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Rife did cure my sore gum problem.

I had a very sore gum area way in the back.

I rifed 1 hour and the next day it was cured, and did not relapse in the days following.

I did 20 min on Gingivitis, 20 min on Dental Foci, 5 min on Dental, 15 min on Pyorrhea. I ran them as groups.

GINGIVITIS 776 7660 2720 1550 880 8450 803 8300 784 7870 728 7270 726 20 1556 2489 2008 20080 1800 1600 690 666 650 625 600 6000 444 522 146

DENTAL FOCI 803 8300 1800 1600 3000 95 190 47.5 2720 2489 1550 1500 880 8450 832 784 7870 776 7660 728 7270 666 650 600 6000 5170 646

DENTAL 635 640 1036 1043 1094 685 60 48

PYORRHEA 2720 2489 2008 20080 1800 1600 1550 803 8300 880 8450 784 7870 776 7660 728 7270 444 522 146 20 5000

I did not use other treatments, such as mouthwash.

------------------

Can you believe it--- my husband still thinks rife is a fraud! Not based on evidence, just on principle or prejudice, and lack of what HE considers irrefutable scientific evidence.

---Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Is anyone addressing the hypercoagulation issue that apparently Nenah Sylver talks about being common with those who Rife?

I assume nattokinase and lumbrokinase are sufficient?
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I've never noticed any increase in hypercoagulation, and i have a gene for blood clots.

I have taken high-dose nattokinase every day for three years.

My body does give me symptoms to tell me i need more nattokinase, but i've never had any of those symptoms after rifing.

The only potential problem is sitting in a chair without moving for an hour or two--- that could indeed cause a blood clot in highly susceptible people!

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I think blood thinning methods are important for Lyme treatment in general. By reducing the clumping of blood cells and biofilms, you make the bacteria more accessible to the immune system.

We use Krill Oil, Ginger and Turmeric for inflammation and blood thinning qualities among other positive properties. There are many supplements that can accomplish this.

I ran the 832 Bart frequency, and had a reaction similar to a Lyme frequency. I am not sure what to make of this. She had no negative effects after the treatment, and felt fine this morning.

I think I may be dealing with a different pathogen, but I am not sure it is Bart. Maybe Lyme is no longer an issue, but something is causing a negative reaction to frequency treatment, but I am not sure what.

I may look at some of the Mycoplasma variations. It seems I am either dealing with Lyme, or Mycoplasma that causes Arthritis pain.

i think now, I am going to have to use the Lyme DNA frequencies, and frequencies for Mycoplasma, until I can determine what is causing the remaining symptoms. I will also use 832 until I have more information.

Very confusing.

Dan
 
Posted by Faith6 (Member # 14072) on :
 
Dan, So having electronics 6 feet or more away from the machine should be a good distance?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You should be good at six feet. My laptop is usually closer than that.

As a side note concerning the reaction to 832 Hz in spite of the fact I doubt that Cindy has Bartonella. The symptoms just do not fit well.

I was thinking she may have some form of Mycoplasam, that may be contributing to her joint pain that comes back a week or so after treatment.

Cross checking the CAFL for Mycoplasma brought up 832 hz as a frequency for treating one form of Mycoplasma.

Mycoplasma_salivarium_1 (run each for 18 min after building up) - 253, 279, 420, 453, 761, 832

This would make some sense, but who knows how reliable this frequency is?

I think we do have to consider that when using 832 Hz, you may be treating Mycoplasma in addition to, or instead of Bart.

Dan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Apparently 832 Hz is for everything under the sun.

832 - Abdominal_inflammation, Angina_pectoris, Bacterial_infections_general, BC_G_Vaccine, Biliousness, Cancer_adenocarcinoma, Cancer_glioblastoma, Cancer_maintenance_secondary, Cholera_secondary, Colic, Colitis_and_Diarrhea, Colon_problems_general, Constipation, Cramping_and_nausea, Crohns_disease, Dental_foci, Dental_infection_1, Dental_infection_and_Earache_1, Diabetic_toe_ulcer_1, Diarrhea, Dysentery, Dyspepsia, E_coli, E_coli_comp, Entamoeba_histolytica_secondary, Fever, Fischpyrogen, Fistula_ulcer, Flatulence, Food_poisoning, General_prophylaxis, Heartburn_chronic, Herpes_simplex_II, Herpes_type_2_comp, Ileocolitis_colon_inflammation, Infections_general_secondary, Infections_general_tertiary, Influenza_2003_2004_1, Influenza_2003_2004_1, Influenza_overnight_TR, Intestines_inflammation, Irritable_bowel_syndrome, Leprosy_secondary_infection, Measles_rubella_vaccine, Meningitis_tertiary, Mycoplasma_salivarium_1, Myoma, Nausea_and_cramping, Orchitis, Osteomyelitis, Ovarian_disorders_general, Pancreatic_insufficiency, Pertussis_secondary, Shigella, Smallpox, Stomach_disorders, Stomatitis_aphthous_v, Surgery_preop_postop_prevent_infections, Tonsillitis, Toothache, Trigeminal_neuralgia, Ulcers_general, Urethritis, Vaginosis
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Dan, according to my LLMD and a lot of charts I have seen recently, joint pain is often caused by a mycoplasma.
So you may be on to something there.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
That's really interesting about 832 hz. That's the freq. I ran for "Bart" a few days ago for the pain in my legs. It's interesting to me that certain frequencies work for me for a while and then I won't have a reaction to them anymore so I move on to other frequencies - when those don't cause a reaction any longer I can usually go back to old frequencies and get a "hit" again. Anyone else experience this?

Dan, I forgot to thank you for the link to Char Boehm's site. Do you have to purchase all the frequencies seperate or will she lump them all together for a flat fee? Just curious.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Wanted to add that back in Jan/Feb when I had a flair I posted about the lyme frequencies not working - I was rifing almost every day for lyme but it was having zero effect. I went thru my old journal and noticed that months and months earlier I'd had a major reaction to 800 and 832 but never ran them again.

I decided to go ahead and run them and once again had a major reaction. This was what finally cleared that flair for me - and it was followed by an almost 10 day herx.

I've run 832 several more times since then but I haven't been able to bring about the same reaction - now when I run 832 I have very little to no reaction at all. EXCEPT a couple of days ago hwne it appeared to give me air hunger for the day. Who knows!? Yeah, it's confusing to say the leasr...
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
You can E-mail Char and ask, but as far as I know, you buy them seperately.

She also sends updates if any future DNA information changes the frequencies. So really, it is a once in a lifetime purchase.

Dan
 
Posted by JOLA (Member # 23498) on :
 
Dan

I read this thread everyday but never input. But

anyways my husband spent $$$ on DCoil and we have

only used it a couple of times cause LD said not

to do it while on ABX. That being said I'm

kind of anxious to get started. Right now I'm

on mino/plaquenil/diflucan/GSE/suppps for every-

thing. Been on ABX for a year and am so tired

of them. I know the DCoil is extremely power-

ful. Do I wait or what. I know its not up to

you to say what I should do but just an opinion

would be nice. thnx Joan
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
It may not work as well, as the Lyme is almost certainly in cyst form trying to avoid destruction from the antibiotics. On the other hand, it should not interfere with the antibiotic treatment either.

I do not see a down side to doing both, but I would do it with short run times, to begin with.

That is my opinion.

Dan
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
I would appreciate greatly some guidance on what I should do next

A brief summary of what I've done
Dec 30
612 (1 min)
570 (1 min)
864 (1 min)
Herxed to the moon and back (I am on minocycline)

March did a one month course of Alinia and Tinidazole

May 19
612 (1 min)
570 (1 min)
864 (1 min)
No herx (or minute)

May 25
612 (2 min)
570 (2 min)
864 (2 min)
No herx

I'm taking this as a good sign but I now see I need to change the frequencies for the next treatment.I'm at a loss as to what to do. I'm still on mino.

Thanks in advance for any insight.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am not sure which machine you are using, but sweeping those same frequencies may bring a result.

I have found that you can eliminate the Lyme that responds to those frequencies, but if you change it slightly, you seem to find a whole new batch. I had the same results with both 612 Hz and 2016 Hz. once the response stopped to the straight frequency, I varied it slightly, and the reaction started up again.

There appear to be some variation in the Lyme in this respect.

Dan
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Thanks Dan.....I am using a Doug coil and also have access to a Bare

Hmm I'm not sure what sweeping is?

How long do you think the next treatment should be?
 
Posted by JOLA (Member # 23498) on :
 
Lauralyme
I am also using the Dcoil but going very slowly.

Currently on mino/plaquenil/diflucan/gse. My

LD wants me to wait so I don't know if I should

do it while on ABX. I herx very severely. My

husband is the one who has done all the research

on freq. My LD said the Dcoil was very powerful

and he wants me to wait a while. I'm getting

impatient, I want to get off these ABX Do you

continue w/ABX while rifing?
 
Posted by Lauralyme (Member # 15021) on :
 
Yes I am doing both... my LLMD said it was okay.

From my experience I would suggest doing very short sessions(1 minute) and if you experience a herx to get a colonic as soon as possible. That dead stuff has got to come out!
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Sweeping is just moving the frequency a little higher and lower than the original frequency.

Instead of running just 612 Hz you run 611 Hz through 613 Hz.

Some machines have a sweep function where you just put in a start frequency and an end frequency, and it goes through everything in between automatically.

I use sweeps a lot. Especially for other pathogens that have an original Rife frequency available. Rife's ability to measure the frequency he was using to kill pathogens, was limited in accuracy.

A mother used my machine to treat her daughter that has Impetigo. The infection has not responded to antibiotics. Staph and Strep are the two suspect pathogens. There are original Rife frequencies for both of these, but they are likely off a little bit.

Instead of running the listed Rife frequency, she used a sweep instead. Then you are pretty certain you have covered the exact frequency to do the job.

Some pathogens, and possibly Lyme also, vary a little in the damaging frequency.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
If i could only rife for ONE THING every day, it would be Bart. Every day i do the 18 minutes on 18 single frequencies for Bart. But since i'm sitting there, i do another hour on other things too.

It's a little strange, since i never had the obvious Bart symptoms nor was treated for it nor tested positive. But if i don't do the Bart rife every day, or twice a day is better, my head starts to feel bad.

(I suspected Bart for years because i had an unusual skin growth which research told me is caused by a certain species of Bart on a continent i've never been to.)

-----Polly Polygonum
------or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Polly -- I belong to another lyme/rife support group and someone just posted that they rife for Candida 3x's a day, basically after every meal. This same person also rifed for Bart at the same time. I never realized that you could rife that frequently. I am sure they worked their way up to this...but reading this made me think of you.

I am back in Australia now and tomorrow begins my serious rife schedule. I look forward to posting more on the thread.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Summer--- 3x per day after meals! That could make sense. Does it work? How long have they been doing that?

It doesn't sound like an essential cure though to me off-hand. Would it make any difference in attacking the dug-in fungus form with roots? I don't know how the biology works.

Today i tried some of the higher frex for Candida in Nenah Sylver's book:

23,485
51,155
51,156
53,940

58,914

sweep 12,006- 12,137

I didn't do Toxoplasmosis today and got a cluster of eye pains; i wonder if there's a connection.

Thanks for spreading the information around!

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I had a real success! The rife eliminated some skin fungus! My husband agrees--- he saw it before and after.

A week ago some scaliness appeared on an upper eyelid, and a small circular depression; i think it had travelled down from the eyebrow.

So i rifed on Mucor. I never heard of Mucor, except Selma used to list it as one of her skin fungi. In the frex list, it doesn't explain that Mucor is a fungus; if it weren't for Selma, i wouldn't have known. I didn't research it and have no idea what the symptoms are.

I rifed on 4 Mucor series:

612 1000 488 766 9788 735

6120 10000 4880 7660 7350

361 578 785 877

474 875 473 686 310 871 873 876 887 7768 7976 8788 713 729 731 751 760 778 1200

I did that for about 3 days, and it's gone.

I was also rifing on other fungi frex, but no other treatment.

-----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
Today I tried all the Bart frequencies listed here (I was already using 1518 and 832). I also did my normal Lyme plus a minute of 612. 612 seemed to kick my butt last time.
I did my normal Erlich.

We'll see what happens!!

pam - so happy you got rid of your skin issues. that is SO awesome. I read your post to my hubby. He believes in Rife but sometimes has his doubts.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I did the preprogrammed Lyme channel on my machine for the preprogrammed 20 minutes. Had immediate reaction (it had been two weeks) of skin burning all up and down arms, breathlessness, wave of terrible fatigue, dizziness, followed by a sense of wellbeing and optimism and energy.

Is this normal?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
Fatigue is pretty common after a treatment. Other than that, the reactions are pretty individual, and change as you use it more. At times there can be no reaction at all.

Cindy has been doing really well lately, which is not unusual. What is unusual is the ankle swelling that has seemed impossible to get rid of for any amount of time, has been gone for several days now.

The 832 Hz frequency seems to be responsible for this, although I have no idea what it is doing.
I am speculating that it is addressing some kind of infection that is not Lyme or Bart, but I am not sure what it is.

I suppose it is possible that it is Bart, but that she does not have typical symptoms for it.

I am glad it is moving her even closer to the cured goal. I have not treated her for a few days, and she has not had any indication she needs it. No swelling in the ankles. She has had swollen ankles since the first week of infection.

I do not particularly like unexplained progress, but I will take what I can get. 832 Hz has been very effective for some unknown reason.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Sounds good, CD!
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hi all
Anyone know anyone who treats for cancer with rife and if there is a forum or group that I can read about ?

Thanks
Still Rifing. Rifing got rid of my toe fungus when nothing else would.. After 3 long treatments. I felt it right there and then half my nails fell off immediately after the last treatment and now they are healing and that it. I am glad

Also still rifing as a preventative thing and maintenence so I do not slip backwards. So far so good.. : )

Thanks for all the great dialoge and sharing. There is a great wealth of info here growing and growing..: )

Blessings
 
Posted by richedie (Member # 14689) on :
 
Been Rifing for a while now. I am thinking it is a joke.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
SS -- There is another website that I use to learn about rife, The Rife Forum.

www.rifeforum.com

They have a section for discussions regarding Cancer.

Dan -- Great news about your wife. I am glad you are seeing good results with your new machine.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
No results from the treatment Richedie?

Dan
 
Posted by kadee (Member # 21199) on :
 
@ Richedie

Aren't you taking a big load of ABX presently?
quote:
Now back to Mepron/Biaxin + Ceftin
I was told, that Rife possibly doesn't work well while under ABX.
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
kadee -- I was thinking the same thing about richedie. Maybe he is full of cysts from all the abx?

richedie -- have you read Dr. Sylver's 'The Rife Handboook?' I have just started to read it and I have found it very helpful.

For instance, I was rifing on a full stomach/after meals. And I learned in the book that it is better to rife on an empty stomach or at least 2 hrs after eating. This way your body isn't overloaded by digesting & getting rid of toxins from the rife session.

Do you know someone who has lyme & can use your machine to see if they herx?
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
If you are taking a heavy load of antibiotics, I would use 2016 Hz or a higher harmonic of that frequency. 789,000 Hz is another possibility. Or, use the DNA frequencies from Char Boehm at the highest harmonic your machine can run.

These frequencies seem to affect cyst form as far as I am able to determine.

I am not sure what 832 Hz is affecting, but it seems to address something in my wife's case.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Richedie -- Just read in the Rife Handbook that if you aren't seeing any results from your lyme rife sessions that you should focus on rifing for candida & parasites.

I think I saw your other thread that states you have lost your appetite. That could be a sign of candida & parasites as well.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
I rifed on FILARIAL worms that Willy Burgdorfer and Dr B mentioned. I tried one minute, then kept repeating since it made my head react, up to 4 minutes, run as a group:

112 120 1200 332 753

I also did a few other blood parasites, since i was too lazy to put the metal bars on my abdomen. I think i hit something and got some improvement, but i also was doing a second Bart session for the day, also Babs and Lyme.

BABESIA frex aren't working for me and never have! Except i have been getting some head reactions from 570. All my BABESIA ups and downs seem to be caused by herbals, unless there are delayed and unattributable reactions.

----Polly Polygonum
----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by Faith6 (Member # 14072) on :
 
I haven't been brave enough yet to try Lyme frequencies. I have done kidney, strep, adrenals, and detox.

I seem to get immediate sensations from the kidney and strep settings and also more reactions over the next several days.

I'm somewhat confused about the length of time between treatments. I know Lyme is only every 10-14 days, but is detox more often and what about strep and such? Is it the wait so many days after any herx reactions thing?

I don't want to overload my system but also want to keep improving.

Thanks!
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Dan -- interestingly, bartonella is associated with mysterious swellings and edemas (per Dr S's bartonella book). And 832 is a bartonella frex.

Does your wife have bart?

BTW I have been experimentally rifing on 832 2x a day. I have always known that bart is my biggest problem. I feel best when I am doing this.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
BTW my practitioner told me to step up the Rifing yesterday in my appt.....he said you could do Lyme 1x week or every 5 days. And definitely the co's more often.

[ 06-04-2010, 11:20 AM: Message edited by: CD57 ]
 
Posted by Rene (Member # 4870) on :
 
I need help here guys. Am a new rifer. Am currently doing frequencies 432 and 10,000. I am using the machine every 7 days. The issue is the severe herxing in between. My pain in my spine and scalp is at times unmanageable with narcotics. Is this normal? Should I go to every 10 days. I am on my 5 th week and can only do 35 seconds on each frequency. I started at 15 seconds and have slowly worked up. Any help would be appreciated.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Wow! Renee hopefully Dan will chime in here but it sounds as though your bug load is very high and as you know you need to go slow. Why not do the machine every 2 weeks? what bug/s are you after?
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
Rene - I would go longer in between until you can get your times up - I only Rife every 10 to 14 days.

I've been using the DT frequencies but am starting the Bart frequencies listing in this thread and will slowly add in other new frequencies. Once I do this I plan to rife more frequently.

I also do the General Detox and have tried the Liver/Kidney/Lymph cleanses, too. I want to do everything at once but I know I can't!

Today I woke up the sickest I've been in a long time (Bart symptoms, i think). I did the Bart for one minute each on Tues night and I'm on day two of a nasty herx.

I did do a I/R sauna last night for 40 minutes which typically does the trick. Can't imagine how I'd be feeling if I hadn't done the sauna!
 
Posted by Rene (Member # 4870) on :
 
I am right now going after lyme, but am co infected with babesia both strains and bartonella. I will try to spread my treatments out more and maybe that will help.
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
Rene--- i'm no expert, but it seems to me that detox would help you more than stretching out the session intervals.

You need lots of detox to get rid of the toxins. I have no experience with detox other than water and herbals like Polygonum and Sarsaparilla, which i think help detox.

Selma used to take 20 different kinds of detox.

What are you doing for detox?

Polygonum and Sarsaparilla are Buhner herbs. You can purchase Polygonum pills in this devious way: you buy Source Naturals brand Resveratrol pills. Check the label first to make sure it includes 1 gram of Polygonum cuspidatum. Source Naturals haas different versions of its Resveratrol.

There are some Cowden herbs for detox too.

----Polly Polygonum
-----or Nilufar Knotweed
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I do not know much about detoxing, as it has not been much of an issue for Cindy. You pretty much have to pace yourself based on your bodies ability to recover.

We have never even had an official Lyme diagnosis, so I do not know what co-infections are involved by a test. I am fairly certain she had Babesia, but that seemed to be fairly easy to get rid of. It did come back a couple of times, but now I think it is gone for good.

I never suspected Bart, as the symptoms were not there, other than the foot swelling. I have suspected something else was involved, and it could be Bart. I will know after a few more treatments. It seems like it is going away pretty fast.

Spine pain can get pretty intense. Both MMS and frequencies have produced pain that she described as "it feels as if my back is breaking".

That will get better over time, but it is very tough to get through it. 2016 Hz really hit the spine hard the first few times we used it. Now the effect is much more manageable.

We both take anti-inflammatory supplements for different reasons, but I think they help with treatment quite a lot.

Dan
 
Posted by pamoisondelune (Member # 11846) on :
 
About rifing : My husband says, "It's all nonsense. You can believe anything you want."

But i'm off antibiotics! And my toes are all pink, instead of thick, cracked, and gray! That's simple and visible!
 
Posted by mojo (Member # 9309) on :
 
My husband wonders out loud if there is something about rifing that is making me sick and not actually healing me. At one time, though, he was a big proponent (he picked up and read part of Rosner's book that was laying around)

I've been herxing pretty hard - did the general detox this evening and can't believe how much better I feel!

Dan: as far as the Bart - it took me years to realize I had it - many people don't have the classic symptoms. I have heard many times that Bart symptoms can mimic Lyme Symptoms, too.

As far as detox - I am going to miss my I/R sauna during the hot months but I'll definately be rifing for it. I also take MSM, Chlorella and drink a lot of water. I up my Chlorella dose when I'm herxing.
 
Posted by D Bergy (Member # 9984) on :
 
I am not an expert on the effect of frequencies, or anything electrical. I have corresponded with experts, and people who are physicists, electrical engineers, and several doctors who use this method of treatment.

They all have solid reasons to believe it has merit, and have examples of how it has worked for them.

None of that really convinced me of anything, other than it was worth trying. I knew I had a good chance of being disappointed. I have to say that I was floored when it actually worked for Lyme.

I can observe obvious improvements in health, and the elimination of pain and Arthritis. You really do not need to be a scholar to see that someone can now walk without pain, when they could not before.

I have used it many times on things such as Mold and Warts, and it did not do diddly squat. I got nowhere treating my Crohn's with it, other than eliminating a H-Pylori infection of my Stomach.

But for some pathogens, it can work extremely well. The problem is nailing down the pathogen, and the correct frequency for it. Lyme has by no means been nailed down using frequency treatments. We do have better information all of the time, but there is much more we need to know.

I will say tentatively, that I think I have got Cindy's Lyme beat. I am pretty sure that I will not be dealing with it anymore by this Fall.

The 832 frequency was the last one I needed, and I got it from this thread. The MOPA is crushing the remaining Lyme. She is an inch from cured.
I am treating her right now with the 2016 harmonic that would cause her to wince in pain when run. She barely feels it now. It is almost all gone.

I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Dan
 
Posted by asummers (Member # 18068) on :
 
Dan -- great news about your wife's progress in treatment. It is a great inspiration for me knowing that Cindy and others on this thread are seeing improvements.

It sounds like the MOPA was well worth the money. I am glad you talked your wife into buying it (he-he).

Rene -- I agree with others about spacing out your rife sessions. I am almost done reading Dr. Sylver's 'The Rife Handbook' and she talks about the importance of using our machines not only for killing the bugs but for supporting the different systems in our bodies.

Springshowers talks about how these detox/support frequencies have been a major help in her treatment. I used to do them as well, but I have gotten away from the liver/lymph/kidney detox frequencies, but after reading Dr. Sylver's book - I am going back to them.

Rene, I am not sure what machine you have, but maybe start using some support frequencies to help strengthen your immune system. Also after rife sessions, I either do a coffee enema or sit in my FIR sauna to help with detox.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Dan, I hope we don't lose you when Cindy is all better! You are invaluable.

I have a question for those rifing for bart.....does it make you herx, or just feel better, or sometimes does it change? I am a little confused as to what I am feeling. Yesterday I had a (for me) almost asymptomatic day, today the songs in my head, the depersonalization