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Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Since several people have been requesting a "Parasite Warrior" thread, I thought I would start one.

Tried to contact the person who started the other parasite thread to change the title, but didn't get a response.

So Here it is. Hopefully this will be a great support for everyone pursuing parasites.

Gael

[ 01-14-2013, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: glm1111 ]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Okay, I will start this thread by wishing everybody a positive, healing journey on the path to eradicating chronic Lyme Disease and back to good health.

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Thanks Gael!
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I have a salt/C question, if anyone would care to share.

I stopped Samento/Banderol max dose 2x a day, holding, to go to Salt/C instead for Lyme/ parasites-
finishing off Levaquin to nail Bart down to goodbye-

Anyway, I am holding only 3.00 gram max salt a day - appropriate vit. C- about 3 weeks in.

And feel like Lyme is really flaring- or is it a herx? I can't tell.
Sorry, gross, but I have seen 'slime' from salt/C like I did while on Tindamax (did a lot of Tindy)

Flare or herx? Can't tell. Going to add Col. Silver Spray-
Don't want to go back to antibiotics.
But not going higher on salt/C dose- holding..
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your VERY welcome. Believe me, it's "My Pleasure" [Big Grin]

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Maya,

As far as the parasites communicating telepathically, I have no proof of this, it's a subjective analysis on my part.

It just made sense to me after much thought. Wondering how Dr. K. came to the conclusion on how parasites control our emotions. I do think he is correct though.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Ok I am here now lol
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Glad you found us Maya [Wink]
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I know I wonder how dr . K came to this conclusion too, he must have observed it in his patients though, perhaps saw a major difference in a persons thinking and emotions once parasites were eradicated

He may have seen this over and over again with many different patients

I wish he would elaborate on it more though
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
surprise,

I do think the "slime" you are experiencing is part of a herx. Mucous is on the symptom list for parasites. When you can, it would be a good idea to add an antiparasitic cleanse to the salt/c.

The salt/c according to lymestrategies kills bb and the cyst form as well. So, you probably will experience a herx that feels like a Lyme flare. This is a very powerful protocol against these pathogens.

Better to keep it slow and steady, so you can continue with tx. If the herxing gets too rough, just take a break until the herx calms down and then resume tx.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I did find you guys lol

Hey lax mom how are you feeling now today?
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Ok- since this is the official parasite thread, I'm including a small intro:

After reading and joining this forum, I now believe I am absolutely teeming with parasites.

In 1999, I was exposed to well water that made myself and 70 other people severely ill at an event.

Never treated parasites after the vomiting and diarrhea.

In 2011, I got giardia from well water on Pine Ridge Indian Reservation (was told it was safe, city water- people who brought it lied).

Myself and 10 other people got ill. I was treated with Flagyl and remained flu sick for 3 months. Didn't do any treatment after that.

Beyond these two exposures, I have been bitten by approximately 215 ticks. 15 over the normal course of life and 200 at once this past September.

So if parasites, are a co-infection of tick bites, I am a walking host.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
This is the 3rd day since upping my dose of Salt/C. I'm now on 2,000mg Vitamin C daily and 1/2tsp of Real Salt daily.

Still a very low dose and having some major reactions- both good and bad!!

Last night I had a window of about 1 hour where I felt so normal. I was so happy.

My husband started crying and said "I can't believe your back."

I said "Please, let's not waste this time. I know I'll feel like **** again soon. I never get to feel better let's have fun."

We played words with friends and stayed up until 1:00 laughing and talking and I felt good- I actually felt GOOD. It was one of the best times I've had in so long.

Then at about 2 am, I woke up with severe kidney/liver pain. I started having a panic attack when I realized how much pain I was in. It hurt everywhere- muscles cramping like a charlie horse in my whole body.

I thought if I took magnesium and woke up again with the same pain I'd go to the ER.

I woke up again DRENCHED in sweat. Kidney/liver pain much diminished and muscle cramps were better.

Today I am going to get some milk thistle to help with detox.

I am going to wait until later today to take the salt/c and see how I feel
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Maya,

Your Dr. K. analagy makes a lot of sense. Glad you found us also.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
BAsed on what we are talking about I thought i would post this from Dr. Klinghardt at one of the confrences:

�Dr. Klinghardt has found immense success in treating parasites as a focus. Many that think Lyme is their problem actually are suffering from parasites. The natural sequence is to treat the parasites first and then treat the Lyme. When this is done, years of antibiotic therapy turns into weeks or months.
�Parasite patients often express the psyche of the parasites - sticky, clingy, impossible to tolerate - but a wonderful human being is behind all of that.
�We are all a composite of many personalities. Chronic infections outnumber our own cells by 10:1. We are 90% "other" and 10% "us". Our consciousness is a composite of 90% microbes and 10% us. Our thinking, feeling, creativity, and expression are 90% from the microbes within us. Patients often think, crave, and behave as if they are the parasite. Our thinking is shaded by the microbes thinking through us. The food choices, behavioral choices, and who we like is the thinking of the microbes within us expressing themselves.
�Patients will reject all treatments that affect the issue that requires treating. Patients will not guide themselves to health when the microbes have taken over.
�Viruses in the nervous system are likely not the cause of CFS. They are certainly often present, but when treated, the patient may only get a little better. The two main causes are parasites (mainly lungworm) and chronic nasal staph infection. These nasal infections enter the hypothalamus which then leads to suppression of MSH. One's level of fatigue and level of MSH are directly related. MSH is depressed by bacteria and mycotoxins.
�Parasite treatment may be needed for 6 months to a year.
�Parasites induce changes in our system to make us a comfortable host.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
And this:

Dr. Simon Yu - Parasites

�When the latest medical therapies fail, think dental issues and parasites.
�Dr. Yu uses EAV testing / Acupuncture Meridian Assessment to gain information about stressors in the body.
�Unsuspected dental problems may be a significant factor impacting health - amalgams, root canals, TMJ, galvanism, implants, heavy metals, bonding materials, metal allergies, and microorganisms.
�Dr. Yu sees amazing shifts in EAV testing results after parasite treatment. He rarely uses antibiotics.
�Strongyloides is a common microfilarial worm. Could it be to blame for brain lesions? CCSVI?
�Cancer may be related to dental issues, parasites, heavy metals, and unresolved emotions.
�Most parasites are outside of the intestinal tract. They are deceptive, adaptive, and difficult to eradicate.
�Parasites bring bacteria, viruses, and fungi with them.
�Deworming horses regularly is known to increase their lifespan. Deworming is a good anti-aging therapy.
�Parasites are like your children that don't leave the house.
�You can get parasites from inhaling parasite eggs.
�Dr. Yu does not put people on nutritional supplements until the parasites are purged.
�Parasites can control your mind.
�Clove oil may be helpful. Black Walnut, Wormwood, Artemisia, and Citrus Seed may be useful.
�Dr. Yu is not convinced that zappers will work for parasites.
�He uses longer, higher doses of anti-parasite medications than what is described in the PDR. He also uses combination therapy.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
how parasites actually do this mind controling i don't know, but according to the good sources i posted above, they do do this
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dayinise,

So glad you at least had an hour of feeling good. FYI, the folks at lymestrategies talk about kidney and liver herxes. It is a sign that the pathogens are being attacked.

Maybe take an even smaller dose of salt/c (maybe half) today, or give it a break until tommorrow if you are still herxing.

PACE NOT RACE is the theme for salt/c and will help you go the distance with staying on this protocol.

Drinking coconut water that is high in potassium will also help your kidneys and keep your electrolytes in balance. Make sure you drink pleanty of water when taking salt/c.

Hope you feel better,

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Maya12: Breaking up For easier Reading.


BAsed on what we are talking about I thought i would post this from Dr. Klinghardt at one of the confrences:

�Dr. Klinghardt has found immense success in treating parasites as a focus. Many that think Lyme is their problem actually are suffering from parasites.

The natural sequence is to treat the parasites first and then treat the Lyme. When this is done, years of antibiotic therapy turns into weeks or months.


�Parasite patients often express the psyche of the parasites - sticky, clingy, impossible to tolerate - but a wonderful human being is behind all of that.


�We are all a composite of many personalities. Chronic infections outnumber our own cells by 10:1. We are 90% "other" and 10% "us". Our consciousness is a composite of 90% microbes and 10% us.

Our thinking, feeling, creativity, and expression are 90% from the microbes within us. Patients often think, crave, and behave as if they are the parasite.

Our thinking is shaded by the microbes thinking through us. The food choices, behavioral choices, and who we like is the thinking of the microbes within us expressing themselves.


�Patients will reject all treatments that affect the issue that requires treating. Patients will not guide themselves to health when the microbes have taken over.


�Viruses in the nervous system are likely not the cause of CFS. They are certainly often present, but when treated, the patient may only get a little better.

The two main causes are parasites (mainly lungworm) and chronic nasal staph infection. These nasal infections enter the hypothalamus which then leads to suppression of MSH.

One's level of fatigue and level of MSH are directly related. MSH is depressed by bacteria and mycotoxins.


�Parasite treatment may be needed for 6 months to a year.
�Parasites induce changes in our system to make us a comfortable host.

Thanks For Posting Maya. Always good to hear what Dr. K. has to say. Good Find!


 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Maya12:
And this:

Maya,

Can you break up these posts to make it easier for people with neuro Lyme to read, Thanks so much for the info

Dr. Simon Yu - Parasites

�When the latest medical therapies fail, think dental issues and parasites.
�Dr. Yu uses EAV testing / Acupuncture Meridian Assessment to gain information about stressors in the body.


�Unsuspected dental problems may be a significant factor impacting health - amalgams, root canals, TMJ, galvanism, implants, heavy metals, bonding materials, metal allergies, and microorganisms.


�Dr. Yu sees amazing shifts in EAV testing results after parasite treatment. He rarely uses antibiotics.


�Strongyloides is a common microfilarial worm. Could it be to blame for brain lesions? CCSVI?
�Cancer may be related to dental issues, parasites, heavy metals, and unresolved emotions.


�Most parasites are outside of the intestinal tract. They are deceptive, adaptive, and difficult to eradicate.


�Parasites bring bacteria, viruses, and fungi with them.
�Deworming horses regularly is known to increase their lifespan. Deworming is a good anti-aging therapy.


�Parasites are like your children that don't leave the house.
�You can get parasites from inhaling parasite eggs.
�Dr. Yu does not put people on nutritional supplements until the parasites are purged.
�Parasites can control your mind.


�Clove oil may be helpful. Black Walnut, Wormwood, Artemisia, and Citrus Seed may be useful.
�Dr. Yu is not convinced that zappers will work for parasites.


�He uses longer, higher doses of anti-parasite medications than what is described in the PDR. He also uses combination therapy.


 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
shoot forgot to break it up

also daynise, i have been getting some horrible liver and kidney pain lately as well as chest type pain and full body cramping, just like what you are getting

this was happening a few days ago, felt like it was hard to walk and my muscles were so tight that i was uncoordinated

i have been on the humaworm now for about 2 weeks and these symptoms seem to have passed for now

before i started on the humaworm the incoordination was getting really bad to the point where it felt like i was going to loose my ability to walk or use my hands

thank gosh these symptoms have passed for now, but i must be on the right track since only the humaworms seems to have made them go away

hope it will pass for good for you soon
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
yes this pretty well sums up what we have been talking about with regards to the mind control and of course this is from a very good source
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Maya: I have a bit more energy today. In fact, I've been awake going on 4 hours now!

Like daynise, I too was exposed to well water, twice in approx 2001. I got so sick both times with vomiting/diarrhea I had to go to the hospital.

I never connected the contaminated well-water to parasites.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I wonder about this too, both drinking well water and swimming in a lake at my cottage since I was a child, I never got sick that I know of directly but I certainly was exposed

Also seems like many of us have been exposed to animals for a long time, like myself, my husband and I rescue stray animals

Of course we vet them and deworm them regularly but I have still been exposed I am sure, I also love to garden and apparently you can even pick them up out of the soil
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Have you seen any evidence lax mom?

Glad you are feeling a bit better today
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
No evidence today [Wink]
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Here is my short intro. Welcome comments on what people think too. At present I am on A-P by Byron White and some Buhner herbs, that's all.

Probably had bart since childhood, possibly Lyme and cos as well. No idea about parasite exposure but grew up with cats, dog, birdm fish, as well as horses in teenage years. Plenty of exposure in long grass. No bullseye until 1996. Strange intermittent CNS symptoms would appear but never disabling or long lasting until I had a baby in 2005. Have travelled to Africa and Mexico.

Then dx and began treatment for bart and Lyme with LLMD (a little babesia) in 2007.

I did have herxes, but no gains followed those herxes. Symptoms are believed by LLMD to be "bartonella" but bart treatment did not help after initial improvements (although it produced hideous herxes).

It feels like my immune system does not know what to do, or that something is blocking it from working.

So far A-P has produced more frequent bowel movements and some hand tremors. I do have the Dr K protocol (RX) here and am supposed to start it. Am thinking about Humaworm instead.

Thoughts are welcome.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Daynese, your 1 hour of normal brought tears to my eyes. I can't believe we are all going through this because doc's are missing parasites!!! *#?! Hang in there!
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I second what cat girl said
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Yup -- me too. Imagine!
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
hey catgirl have you been having some symptom improvements on the parasite killers?

what symptoms have backed off for you?

and CD 57 how long have you been treating parasites or have you yet?

sounds like you and lax mom and i have very similar symptoms
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CD57:
It feels like my immune system does not know what to do, or that something is blocking it from working.


You hit the nail on the head CD57! That's exactly how I feel, just never had the words to explain it.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
It's pretty mindboggling that SOOOO many highly educated doctors missed this co-infection. Including the Lyme Disease center at Columbia.

What's really upsetting is that Willy Burgdorfer found ADULT FILARIAL WORMS in the original ticks he dissected and as an ASIDE found spirochetes!!

They all jumped on the bb bandwagon and totally ignored this finding and pumped years and years of abx in unsuspecting patients that are chronically ill. The IDSA also is missing these facts as well.

The doctors in this country think that parasites are a third world problem and it rarely exists here. One fact they got right is bb is not that difficult to eradicate and hence the argument in the medical community.

Hopefully they will catch on now given the recent presentation by Dr. H. at the lyme conference declaring that parasites are now considered the number one co-infection.

If not, they go into the category of dumb and dumber. Sorry for the rant, but people are dying and suffering because of this ignorance.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
hey Lax mom, i know you mentioned that you had anxiety and derealization etc.

do you still have these symptoms, any ocd type thoughts? or dark thoughts as Gael mentioned, any depersonalization?

are these symptoms gone now?

and yes it feels like my immune system just doesn't work anymore either and this is rediculous since i am only 32.

i think it is just so plauged and worn down by the bugs and parasites
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Maya, nope I haven't done the stuff you guys have or are doing, just yet. I am on A-P and have the Dr K abx protocol in my cabinet. Have been too chicken to start it! May start with Humaworm first or see what happens on the A-P.

Would like to hear others' histories?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
i ssume we reach a point where the loads of everything and the toxins they produce or pick up and hold onto (heavy metals) eventually do shut the immune system down

but if we lower the load of all of this can we get the immune system to work again?

i sure hope so
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Daynise: "Beyond these two exposures, I have been bitten by approximately 215 ticks."

HOLY COW!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Since you asked for feedback, I would start with Humaworm or Parastoy and maybe salt/c. I am not against the pharma drugs, but given the fact it can take a long time to eradicate these parasites, the herbs and salt/c are reported to work just as well and are nourishing to the body.

Sea salt and vitamin C are also very supportive of the adrenal glands.

Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Gael...what's your opinion on the coinfections then....ie; babs, bart? Are they truly coinfections to parasites?

What do you make of them causing many people to have such a hard time? We hear of years of treatment with Mepron etc.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Maya: depersonalization-yes, scary thoughts-yes in the past, OCD type thoughts-yes.

The derealization and depersonalization are completely gone. It's all anxiety...but I think the cause is an inflamed brain and nervous system due to all of these bugs.

I'm only 38, so my immune system should not be shot either.

Daynise: 215 TICKS!!!!! [dizzy]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

According to Dr. K. the co-infections are much easier to eradicate once the parasites are elimated.

I haven't needed anything else to get rid of the other infections except salt/c and antiparasitics. Coconut oil, extra cloves, HCL Digestive enzymes have all been good adjuncts for me.

Gael

Datnise,

Curious as to how you would count out 215 ticks???
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
LAX mom....so glad that the DP went away for you. Would you believe I have this 24/7 with brief windows of not? For me it seems directly related to infection and perhaps toxins....it appeared 2 months into abx treatment, spiked horribly on IV, and never left!
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Gael, Tammy....SO sorry to ask you guys this again...but could you post your histories/chronologies (dx and treatment) also, so we have them in place for reference?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey lax mom how long have you been treating and what have you treated so far?

You are so luckey those sx are gone, this comes and goes for me , but are always there to some extent , have been a bit better lately since starting the anti parasitics

Any idea what got the dp and dr to go? Ie what meds? Or what infections treated got these symptoms to go?

Do you still have the OCD thoughts with the anxiety?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Could parasite tx get rid of the depersonalization and derealization and dark anxious thoughts?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Maya, unfortunately, I have had to go really slow with parasite treatment. I couldn't take humaworm (gave me uti symptoms, which was probably die off, but I wasn't on abx).

So, I've been doing salt c, some cloves in water, A-P and DE. Also two rounds of parasite meds (iver, bilt, alinia, etc). But the med treatments were a couple of months apart. They knocked the parasites back a bit, and gave me energy while I was on them (nice), but the energy didn't last very long once I was done with the meds.

I feel better on the salt c though, so it's a keeper. But I'm also in the middle of removing my amalgams right now. So, I think maybe I should back off a bit? I don't know. I'm going to get someone to art test me so I will know how to proceed. Right now, I'm just guessing. And the metals are getting to me. :(
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Maya, I forgot to thank you for posting the Dr. K info above (nice to have handy)! Gail, thanks for spacing it out too, I usually skip over big paragraphs that are single spaced--hurts my eyes).
 
Posted by BBinme (Member # 34131) on :
 
So well water can cause parasites!? Really? We have well water, so now what should I do? Oh man this just freaks me out,yuk!

Maya, do you also do enemas to help with getting the parasites out? Are you still seeing them? Are you talking anything to bind the metals that they carry?

This is all so confusing to me right now, feel so overloaded and cannot get my brain to function properly, cannot get it. Can anyone explain it as if I was a child? I tried reading Dr K protocol and was horribly overwhelmed and stopped reading and just gave up with it.

Sorry just frustrated right now, don't understand why I feel worse than this time last year. I was doing projects around the house,painting, mudding sanding. I even stained our deck! WTH!

I have a phone follow up the end of this month and I plan to talk about treating parasites and getting checked for genetic problems. Thanks for any input, dee
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
BBime, maybe you want to try cholestyramine?

I also want to get checked for genetic problems. Could be part of this.

CATGIRL, what is your history of treatment, etc? Have you felt better on anything?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey bb , yes I do also do warm water enemas and use chia seeds and bentonite clay

And cat girl what symptoms do you have?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
And does anyone know if treating the parasites will get rid of the dp and dr and dark obsessive thoughts?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
This is a great thread! Like CD57, I would like to read everybody's history and symptoms and how the parasite treatment has been helping them.

I started Hanna Kroeger Wormwood combo a few weeks ago, but it made me very constipated, despite drinking tons of fluids and eating a lot of extra fiber. So I stopped.

I have just started cholysteramine (I think it is helping!) so don't want to treat parasites just yet - but I definitely plan on it.

I am so happy for those of you who are being helped by this treatment. I have a theory on this. I wonder if when we take all those heavy duty ABX, and lose all the good bacteria, we can no longer fight off the parasites like we did in the old days.

And so they start multiplying and before you know it, they are very comfortable in our bodies and feeding off the bacteria that we are trying to get rid of. [shake] Just a thought.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
DBpei yes I have thought that as well as I initially did well on abx, then plateaued and backslid. I know my immune system was workimg going into this b/c I had a classic, organized herx with subsequent improvement, rather than the disorganized muddy picture it is now.

Can you post your treatment and diagnostic history?
 
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
 
Does protomyxzoa count as a parasite since it responds to ivermectin? If so that is my last infection and as it is incurable, my life long infection.

I do not know if I had any other "worms" because I never saw any but I do know when I worm my horses they do not show evidence of worms either so maybe they are dissolved before being expelled.
 
Posted by MichaelTampa (Member # 24868) on :
 
I would certainly put it in the parasite category.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey cd you explained me to a t , at first I was responding to the abx , had a few good times and then went downhill and no abx were helping but I was worse than before starting treatment but am really wondering about the immune system theory that dbpei mentioned
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
How interesting....I wonder if that explains Gael and Tammy also....I think I remember them saying they were on abx and herbs and IVIG for a long time to no avail....
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
For those who want to rife for parasites - what would be good frequencies to start with?

My husband would like to try rifing parasites first, because his digestive system is sensitive to taking alot of "stuff".

He's been treating lyme & babesia for 1 1/2 years with a little improvement. Hearing your parasite treating stories makes us think it would be worth a try!
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
for those with the deep dark thoughts and anxiety, ocd are the thoughts and anxiety constant but get much worse with treatment?

do they bother you on a daily basis?

i just worry that i am nutts because i always fight the deep dark thoughts and anxiety and ocd , just in varying levels

mine plague me most of the time but do back off or cause less anxiety when i back off anti-parasitics and get much worse on them.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Maya, you remind me of myself. Yes it's truly terrible, I spent a lot of time like that. YOU ARE NOT NUTS. The thing that I fell back on which helped me to feel better was reminding myself that the thoughts have NOTHING to do with ME. After awhile a thought would show up and rather than reacting to it, which made my adrenals shoot through the roof and pump adrenaline which turned on my CNS.....I would say, oh yeah, there you are, and then watch the thought go by. Same concept they teach in mediation.

Its much easier if you can detach from those thoughts and not hold them as truth. Have you ever heard of F.E.A.R: false evidence appearing real?
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CD57:
Would you believe I have this 24/7 with brief windows of not?

I believe it. I have lived it and it is the scariest **** I have ever been through in my life. I had it for at least 4 years straight. I seriously thought they were gonna lock me up and throw away the key because I thought I was going crazy.

The fact that you have brief windows of not having it means it is not permanent.

I never had brief windows of clarity, I constantly had it. I finally got to the point where I didn't let it scare me anymore. I would go about my day regardless of how weird I felt.

I can't really say what made it go away during treatment.


I just know that after the fact, I thought about it and realized it wasn't happening anymore. I'm still scared it could come back. Once you have experienced that (what I will call) horror, I think you're always fearful of it returning.

Also, no one knows what the heck you are talking about when you try to explain it, unless they've experienced it.

It doesn't mean you are on your way to becoming crazy, which I believed at the time, it just means your nervous system is overloaded and inflamed.

You nervous system can be calmed down and regulated once these bugs and toxins are taken care of.

CD57: I think I remember you said you did nebulized Glutathione before. Is that right?

I find that it really helps my thinking and brain to feel clearer because there is no blood/brain barrier in the nose. (I breathe it into my nose the entire time and just skip the mouth part).
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey cd57 thanks for the reply

To be honest the fear isn't as bad when I am not treating but def flares more when I treat more

Has this gotten better for you over time with treatment?

I am trying very hard to let the thoughts go by but I wish they would stop all together

I have only been treating though for about 7 to 8 months
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Maya: Ok, I am going to be completely honest with you because I feel like it might help others.

There was one point where the anxiety and scary thoughts were so terrifying, that I had scary thoughts like "what if I flipped out and killed myself with that knife on the counter?"...I knew I would never do it, but having those thoughts freaked me out. I even had my mother come to my house and remove all the knives "just in case".

Needless to say, I've had my knives back for a long time now. Thise scary thoughts are just thoughts. The fact that they upset you means that you are NOT going crazy. Truly crazy people find those thoughts comforting.

Also, truly crazy people don't know they are crazy.

Your nervous system/brain is inflamed right now. That makes you feel terrible. I recommend getting something for anxiety in the meantime...no need to suffer while you wait for the long-term treatment to work. That healing will come...but it takes time and you don't have to be miserable in the meantime.

I have been on Klonopin since March. Of course, it's not ideal...but Gaba wasn't cutting it and each day was anxious torture added onto the torture of this disease and treatment. I just switched to Lyrica since I have face pain (it also calms my nervous system down).
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Lax mom/Gael/CD57-

15 ticks (including the one that bit me in 2004 and gave me lyme) I got from normal walks/hikes/etc.

The 200 ticks that bit me this September came from a walk I took on an already terrible day. I just wanted to be somewhere pretty in nature and de-stress.

And I was stupid, and there was high grass, which I walked through at one point and I did expect to see a tick or two, but when I looked down my jeans were red.

I had THOUSANDS of lone star ticks on me.

I ran back to my car and had to take my clothes off in front of an entire soccer team who had showed up while I was on my walk- including my shoes and leave them on the ground.

I know 200 were IN me because we kept count. By the time I got home I still had about 500 on me but only 200 were in my skin.

It took my husband 3 hours to pull them off. I had to get steroid shot and steroid pills and took 20 days of doxy.

I also had to have my vehicle professionally fumigated before I could drive it again.

I took photos of the bites later- not the ticks because I was hysterical- and I looked like I had hives all over my body.

Apparently this is called a "tick bomb". It is rare. And I am unlucky. It is still so upsetting to think about.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
I don't know if I had posted a treatment history:

2006-complete exhaustion, sensitive to light/sound, twitchy eyes, slowly became unable to work

-Drs told me I was Depressed and Anxious-tried every anti-depressant imaginable, couldn't tolerate most of them. Had so much therapy, I could teach a college course on it. Nothing helped.

2007/08-trigeminal neuralgia-treated with multiple rounds of antibiotics, ironically this made me well enough to work in 2008.

8/08-bit by something on my honeymoon (spider, tick, or something) had huge rash-ish thing that wouldn't heal.

Almost immediately I went downhill and could no longer work due to sound/twitchiness/exhaustion.

I was still told I just had Depression and Anxiety.

10/09 my son was born. He had autism traits.

3/11 started having fevers/extreme fatigue for no reason and sensitivity to light and sound and balance problems.

-I was diagnosed with Sensory processing disorder at 36 yrs old! I even started OT and Vision therapy because I wanted to get my life back.

6/11 ID Dr treatd me for Ehrlichia w/ 2 wks Doxy.

Felt great for 2 months. Felt better than I had my entire life. I even felt I no longer needed my therapist and psychiatrist...the "anxiety and depression" were gone. I never knew Doxy was an anti-depressant [Wink]

9/11 had a flu shot...then slowly fevers/exhaustion returned. This time I started having brain fog and weird headaches. One night the brain fog was so thick, my little son was talking to me and I could not figure out how to say a word.

Early winter 2011-started seeing an LLMD. I kept getting sicker and sicker. I thought it was the LLMD's fault. (was on oral abx and many supplements)

Took son to see LLMD as a shot in the dark. He was IgG positive for Lyme. Within 1 month of tx he was speaking conversationally and making eye contact.

Then took husband to see if his "auto-immune" issues were related. He was IgG and IgM positive for Lyme and bunches of other infections due to prednisone and cellcept use. In fact during his first 3 months of treatment, he was weaning off of the immunosuppressants.

Spring 2012-My husband and I went to the best of the best. My husband was on orals and then IV. He kept making amazing progress.

However, from Spring-Nov 2012 I kept getting worse and worse the more things they would add. (was on many, many oral abx and Bicillin LA, Glutathione IV and suppositories, B12 injections, and on and on).

11/12-hospitalized with sepsis. Immune system now shot. I now have recurrent UTI's.

Started seeing a Dr K trained ART practitioner who diagnosed parasites, viruses, mold, Lyme, Ehrlichia, Babesia.

When I did a 2 day round of Biltricide, I passed liver flukes and felt pretty good those days.

Did 14 day round of pyrantel-wiped me out.

I am now beginning my second round of pyrantel pamoate, started Valtrex and Lyrica.

I cannot detox at all.

I am grateful for Gael, Catgirl, Tammy N and the others who kept screaming "treat parasites!"
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey lax mom thank you so much for your honesty in telling me this

Deep down I know these are just thoughts and I do try to always rationalize them or at least not play into them as much.

I do take a little bit of Ativan daily and rameron once in a while

I am waiting to talk to my naturopath about natural anxiety treatments since anti depressants just make me worse.

How long have you been treating lax mom and how long have you been sick for?

My llmd thinks I have had this for at least 16 years if not longer
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
daynise:

[group hug]
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Maya: I can remember being wiped out for no reason in high school. Just a normal school day would wipe me out. So, I bet I had something back then...I'm 38 now.

When I was a kid, I played with our animals like pets. One time I had ringworm looking things all over my body from the cows.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
thank you lax mom [Smile]
 
Posted by BBinme (Member # 34131) on :
 
CD57, what does cholystramine do for lyme.? When I looked it up its given for cholesterol. I am assuming its given for detox in Lyme is that right?

laxmom where do you get nebulized glutathione? Does this work better than oral? I take oral but only notice effectiveness during a flare if a take multiple tablets. Do you find it helps wit herxes?
Thanks
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Yes, BBinme. I have a hard time detoxing, so the cholestyramine is used as a binder to help get rid of the toxins that have been recirculating in my body. I tested high in a marker that indicates my body was not detoxing well(TGF Beta 1).

Some of your stories are incredible. I can't imagine having that many tick bites. So frightening.

I think that I have been infected since summer 2006, but it could be earlier. I had a mysterious summer flu followed by intermittent low grade fevers. I actually tested positive with ELISA but negative with WB that summer following my flu.

Developed migrating joint pain and more sleep problems, but never thought about lyme. I was out in the gardens a lot and had 4 cats. Lots of exposures to ticks and a few untreated tick bites through the years.

I suddenly lost most of my hearing in one ear in early 2011. MRI of brain showed a lesion but I tested negative for lyme with WB - so they ruled out. After hearing loss, the doc put me on prednisone and I started to have these buzzing/electrical sensations (internal tremors) in my head and extremities. Horrible tinnitus, vestibular damage and sound sensitivity followed the hearing loss.

Then I had crazy mood swings, anxiety, and depression. Fatigue set in and then I developed strange bug crawling sensations and odd head aches. It took me almost a year to discover that all of this was caused by Lyme disease.

The ABX never made me feel better. Only worse. My hearing improved slightly until I took zithromax and went totally deaf in bad ear when exposed to loud music at my daughter's wedding. Other sensations never improved while on ABX.

After 1 year of ABX, I went off and instead started herbs. Immune system is now starting to work again since off ABX and using herbs.

I now take Samento and Banderol and am chelating heavy metals with chlorella and cilantro. Taking many nutritional supplements as well. And just started the cholestyramine (CSM).

CSM has quieted my tinnitus quite a bit! [Smile] I never would have expected this. I hope it continues. I still am afraid that parasites might be in the picture for me and will treat soon.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
BB in me, CSM is a binder....binds up neurotoxins from Lyme and mold. A lot of stuff you killed may not have been able to get out and this may help (I have not done it myself).

LAXmom, thanks for posting your story. And quite a story it is! Did the famous LLMD have a theory why you were getting worse and worse or no? How interesting that your husband was just making gains....it seems like the men have an easier time.

I have a question: when you say getting sicker and sicker...does that mean you would herx and not get better, or just no reaction at all? I am SO GLAD the the DP cleared up for you. If I could get rid of that, I could handle all this other crap. I know it's CNS inflammation but since I don't seem to be killing bugs with my treatment I despair of it ever going away. So something in your Lyme and co treatment made it go away...wonder what that was. I will re-introduce nebulized glut. I didn't know that about the blood brain barrier and the nose! Really?
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
BBinme: I noticed absolutely nothing from oral liposomal Glutathione. Then I had IV Glut...it was much, much better.

When I no longer had home health, my LLNP RX'd nebuilized Glut. I get better results than from IV. I get it from Infuserve.
 
Posted by canadianmama (Member # 36298) on :
 
Hi Everyone,

I just read through many of these posts and felt so many things. Really helped me to understand what my son has been going through.

The scary thoughts thing was huge for him for a long time.

I also totally believe that the pathogens(parasites and bacteria) in him control his mind. In fact we often talk about the fact that they are tricking him as he has moments when he is resistant to treatment.

In fact the worse he feels the harder it is to get him to do treatment. I say sweetie they're fooling you, they have taken over, come on you have to treat, and he fights back and does the treatment he needs. He even talks to them and tells them to get lost!

As for parasites specifically we started herbals in November and it causes really bad symptoms, neuro to the point where he would pass out regularly and had uncontrollable anxiety.

Now we are only doing diatomaceous earth, which has been helping hisstomach feel better. I also rub clove oil on his feet.

He's been feeling pretty well lately so I'm been putting off adding back in the herbals, but I know it needs to happen soon.

To share he does photon therapy for the lyme, with EAV testing, muscle testing and supplements.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
So I guess it is very common then to have obsessive dark thoughts that cause anxiety, the only thing that sucks is that I have had them basically constantly for 2.5 years

Did you guys also obsess about your symptoms like how the dp and dr make you feel etc?

I just wish I could turn my brain off some days

How many still have te anxious thoughts now and for how long have you had them

I will find it very interesting if these go away with parasite tx
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I did a 3 day fast in my 20's, and passed a whole large tapeworm. Freaked and didn't think about it again for years.

Before testing positive for Lyme/ Bartonella, I had just completed a full course of Humaworm. Now in my 40's.

Been on high dose antibiotics for 18 months now, have treated with RX parasite meds throughout-
Albendazole, Alinia, Ivermectin, PinX, lots of Tindamax, cloves-herb tinctures.

all with continued release. I definitely watch out full moon times. Positive low protomyxzoa, although no babesia, and I am hopeful protomyxzoa can be eliminated- 1 Dr. is retesting and finding it gone.

Tapered down to almost off antibiotics, and am now on salt/C, and just starting ACS 200 silver spray.

I don't regret all the antibiotics for a second. Glad I did them, and it was hard. Treatment is hard. Chronic case here, had no clue.

But ready to get off the drugs. May mix in BW A-P herbal for parasite near future.

Hoping for the best here.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Basically I just want to know if it is normal to have daily And sometimes constant obsessive thoughts with this disease. Because for me knowing his is normal helps me to rationalize having it


It is also reassuring to know others experience this and have gotten it to I away
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Maya12:

Did you guys also obsess about your symptoms like how the dp and dr make you feel etc?


Absolutely! The focusing on the symptoms was like a vicious cycle. I would have the symptoms, freak out about them, wonder what they meant, then that would worsen the symptoms.

I truly felt like I was crazy...but I wasn't and you aren't.

It was kind of like the story of chasing the Woozles tracks in Winnie the Pooh.

You are not coming on here posting about purple unicorns with green wings biting you and giving you a disease.

Your posts are very coherent...with a lot of anxiety...which is absolutely to be expected with all that your brain is dealing with.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Omg lax mom I just read your post about the dp and dr , I keep missing posts cause this thread is so popular , lol , which is good

I any believe you had dp and dr for 4 yrs , thank gosh it is gone and I thought having it for 2 years was bad

Sorry you had to go through this
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Has anyone had ketones in urine while doing salt/c?
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Wow. I have a lot of these anxiety/brain issues.

I take L-theanine, 5-htp, L-taurine and magnesium for the anxiety.

I don't know if I have parasites but I am starting to treat with parasite herbs to see if I get results.

I too have issues with knives (bizzare!). I don't understand it, but I will have a brief flashing moment of fear about cutting someone. It is certainly NOT the motivation to use the knife, but a fear of the idea of the knife.

Anyway, I also get all of that derealization/depersonalization stuff. They happen in spells, and I used to shrug it off because the spells were short and infrequent.

These days the spells are longer and more disturbing. Sometimes it feels as though I have little bits of MS, Alzheimer's and ALS.

I hope treating for parasites can help some of these symptoms.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Sandyhook/lyme controlling people.

http://floridadetox.com/integrative-physician-and-brain-expert-dr-rick-sponaugle-suspects-mold-toxicity-and-lyme-disease-a-factor-in-sandy-hook-shooter-adam-lanza/
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
DBPEI said " I tested high in a marker that indicates my body was not detoxing well(TGF Beta 1)."

DBPei, have not heard of this being a marker for poor detox. Can you explain the connection by chance?
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
My 7 year old daughter has been very emotional since around the time she has been bitten (3 years of age). She would cry everyday, multiple times a day, & for what would appear as very little at the time.

She has had symptoms come back, while on treatment recently. Within the past two weeks she had two unbelievable rage/anger episodes. Uncontrollable crying, emotions, and anger.

I am a normally a free spirit and very easy going. I could not explain the sudden onset of anxiety. It would come out of nowhere & I would think to myself THIS IS NOT ME! I would not know what to do.

When I had gotten ill I heard from my neighbor, who at the time was recently bit. She mentioned that she had bouts of anxiety while getting sick. It hit me like a ton of ticks! I finally had explanations for my anxiety & my succeeding episodes of rage.

I remember reading about people with depersonalization symptoms & always felt sorry for them. I got to experience that too for only one day.

With all the disturbances, tremors, twitches, ticks & the feeling like maggots are moving within me at times, I know I have parasites as well.

Somehow they are very closely linked to our bodies, chemistry and hormones. If I get angered or upset, I stir them up. If I get tired and sleepy it appears I lullaby them to sleep and they are less active (less tremors/twitches/and migratory movement).
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
CD57, I wish I could tell you more about that marker (TGF Beta 1). It is a cytokine and linked with inflammation and cancer (scary).

Catgirl, that was quite the link. Also scary.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Catgirl: thanks for the link. It makes sense.

My body is full of toxins, I genetically cannot detox...and I'm full of anxiety.

That's why years of therapy and anti-depressants didn't work for me...but Glutathione does.

Lymed in 2010: I know what you mean when you say "THIS IS NOT ME!".
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
lax mom, have you tried cholestyramine? It seems to be helping me with detox issues. Forgive me if you have commented on this and I missed it.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
dpei: At the very beginning of treatment, I tried it for only a few days...I couldn't tolerate the flare that accompanied it.

I think that means I was loaded with toxins.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
*****FRIENDLY REMINDER*****

This thread was set up to discuss the different PARASITES, and how to get rid of them.

The toxins, yeast, mold, mercury etc are all part of the Babushka Principal GiGi has posted about.

These are what the parasites carry in their coats and release when dying along with their eggs and larva. Many of us have these serious, life threatening invaders that are causing havoc in our lives.

Discussing the symptomalgy as a main focus, (although needed at times) is not solving the problem. Unfortunately, I don't know how to copy and paste, but a lot of you do.

I would appreciate it if you could post some links about these invaders, their life cycles and protocols to get rid of them. Also your experiences getting rid of them and how you do it.

Otherwise, this thread will just be like all of the other threads on the main board. I hope this is taken in the positive, helpful light that it is meant to be.

I just know first hand how serious this infection is and want to see everyone get on top of it and get well. Thank You and on to health. [Smile]

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey guys I just passed what definatly looked like another 4 inch piece of dead worm

There is no way this could be mucus or even food , no way , it is definatly a dead piece of worm

It's funny because I have been on the humaworm for about 2 weeks and decided yesterday to take a dose of salt c instead of my second dose of humaworm and lo and behold there was a big worm piece this morning

Hey lax mom have you seen anything yet?
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
Anyone try mimosa pudica? I read about it from one of Dr K's protocol but am scared to start. Got it from bio pure
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Gael: Thanks for keeping us on track [Wink]

It is VERY easy to get caught up in the symptoms because they are so horrific...so on to the way to end those symptoms:

My protocol (based on long distance ART testing with a Dr K trained practitioner):

Pyrantel pamoate at night for 14 days, repeat in 3 weeks.

Biltricide for 2 days, repeat in 6 weeks.

Mila as a binder.

Lipo-Health for biofilms, gentle heavy metal removal.

Nebulized Glutathione for detox.

Maya: nothing yet...I just had lots of energy yesterday and last night. I don't know what it's from.

jlcd1: I haven't tried mimosa pudica, but then again, I'm new-ish to treating all of this.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
lax mom

Thanks for the support and understanding. Empowering ouselves in this battle is so important in getting rid of these invaders.

The message I kept getting early on when I kept getting distracted was "Keep It Simple And Stay Focused" On getting rid of these parasites.

As Dr. K. has mentioned, they will try and distract us from killing them. They are MASTERS at survival!! Let's give them a run for their money!!!

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Pictures of some of the parasites we may be fighting. Viewing this and reading about their life cycle many times has always helped me stay focused. www.lymephotos.com

I must have read and studied this over twenty times, and each time I gleaned more insight as to what I was dealing with.

There are also, Lungworms, roundworms (Ascaris), Threadworms, Hookworms, Tapeworms,etc that could be in your body.

I had ALL of these pictured on lymephotos and the others I just mentioned. I saw them exit in the toilet.

They can't fight the salt because it puts them into osmotic shock (dehydrates them) like when you put salt on a slug. If you decide to do salt/c, it's best to get the e-book from lymestrategies for guidance.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Do the salt and herbs cross the BBB? i wonder if salt kills bacteria as well (or would we know?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Mark Fett the owner of lymestrategies has stated that the salt will kill bb and the cyst form. I do believe it crosses the bbb because I have tasted the salt in my tears. Remember there is a brain/gut connection.

Whatever I take whether it's salt/c or herbs, it usually affects my brain fog, moods etc. I really think it's more about the brain/gut than the bbb. Just my 2 cents.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hi guys this is my protocol , currently on humaworm and adding a bit of salt c for the next few months (2)

Then I start albendazole and pulse this , I think for 5 days at a time

On the days off the albendazole I take ivermectin

I will also be taking bactrim ds , followed by doxy

I think during this treatment I will also be taking interphase plus and digestive enzymes

I don't know the entire protocol yet as I am not to start it for 2 more months and don't have all the details yet , but this is the basic protocol given to me by my llmd
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Oh and I am also currently taking bentonite clay , chia seeds and warm water enemas to detox
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
great Maya. I am currently on A-P and just added low dose salt and C (1/4 tsp) and will work up. Also LDN and once/week high dose Ivermectin) something like week 19.

Gael interesting. It must have to do w the gut/brain connection like you say.....I wonder if salt can kill bart if itt can kill Bb?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Funny enough cd57 I took some salt c last night and today I have a Bart like streaked rash on my hip
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Wow, I'm not on Lymenet for just a day...and he's this new thread with 100 posts already. Way to go Gael!

Looks like we've started something important here. Haven't had a chance to read thru everyone's posts yet. I posted quite a bit on BBinme's last thread. Perhaps at a later point I will repost/repeat some of the info here so newcomers can get a little history from those of us who have seen some great benefits with treatment.

Wishing everyone well!!

[ 01-15-2013, 03:43 PM: Message edited by: Tammy N. ]
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Glad you finally found us Tammy! I was wondering where you were [Smile]
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
How important are pharmaceauticals for hitting parasites?

Has anyone done well with just herbs/homeopathics etc?
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
I have just finished 4 weeks of Albenza combined with 6 weeks of high dose Ivermectin.

I also do 1x week colonics and daily coffee enemas. Daily Biopure chlorella and HMD.

I am making lots of progress for the first time.

I know that I still have parasites, so am now doing Parastroy and salt/c.

It is an ongoing process, I know I have knocked down my load a lot but still more to go.

Feeling the best I've felt in years.
 
Posted by nitsuj1225 (Member # 39866) on :
 
I am beginning salt/c tomorrow to attack (expected) parasites. A couple questions before I start.

1) Is there a better time of day to take the salt/c? Morning/night? Before/during/after meal?

2) I have read a lot about binders for heavy metals and was wondering the best one(s) to take to help get these metals out of me as Im going through the salt/c.

Thanks! I'm hoping this is the key to getting my health back!
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Birdie67....this is GREAT! I think you and I have the same doc....is this protocol through him? What does of Ivermectin did he use? He wants me to do the Dr K protocol straight up. This sounds like a deviation.

YAYAYAYYAY! because I know you posted that you were not making progress with the regular Lyme and co's treatment.
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
Hi CD57,

Yes we do have the same Doc. This is through him. He didn't have me do the Dr K protocol yet. I may soon, after I give my body a break.

I feel like the pharma drugs really hit the parasites good but are also hard on your system so am happy to take a little break from them.

I was taking 12mg 4xday for 6 weeks of Ivermectin. I did fine with it just a little bit of eye sensitivity. I am also using A-FNG to deal with the yeast and fungal die off.

The colonics have been a huge help for me!! I got 2 the first week I started treating and have been getting 1 a week since. Wonderful advice from GIGI and Gael, as always.
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
Also, I did treat for a year prior with antibiotics, including Bicillin LA and didn't make any progress at all.

Although I know that's not a lot of time, but not to make ANY progress had my Doctor looking in other directions.

I'm so glad he did and that I'm on the right track now.

The advice from GIGI and Gael has been invaluable to me. I have learned so much now about the order in which to treat.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
sounds like me too. Birdie, did he think you had coinfections and treat you for those?

He's really great at just eyeballing you and knowing it's quite amazing. His hunches seem to turn out to be correct.
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
Yes, I have bart, not sure about babs.

Forgot to say that treating my adrenals had also helped me SO much. I am getting back a lot of my energy. It takes a while but I am making progress.

It's so encouraging to read about others that are seeing results. Thanks to Tammy too.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Wow birdie! Your progress gives me hope. I just scheduled my first colonic for tomorrow. So, you had one colonic then had another the next day?

Any advice? I'm scared.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
LAx mom colonics are GREAT after the initial weirdness! You will feel completely detoxified. Sometimes they even do a little massage to get the things moving even faster, really helps.

I would go 2x a week if I could.
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
Yes, the colonics are no big deal at all. I was nervous too at first but really they are no biggie.

They get much deeper than the enemas. I do feel the enemas are also great on a daily basis.

I had 2 the first week. One on Monday and another on Thursday. Then 1x week since.
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
For me, I know this is not a sprint but a marathon. These parasites are very hard to kill, but once you start seeing progress, it makes you even more determined.

I keep saying to myself, okay, you've had a nice home in me for a while now, but it's time for you to go!! Silly I know, but I picture them leaving when I take my meds and do my enemas. [Smile]
 
Posted by BBinme (Member # 34131) on :
 
Thank you dbpei, I will ask my Llmd about cholysystramine. What is TGF beta 1? I too think I have detox problems and I am trying to sort all of the genetic problems causing detox issues. What all did you have done for testing?

Laxmom, I have taken if glut also and it was like night and day difference after taking it, awesome stuff. I no longer have an if, and I don't see much help from oral. Do you mind if ask how much it costs from infuserve? I already have a nebulizer machine. Thanks
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Infuserve is pretty cheap. How much do you nebulize?

Birdie, do you have any die-off symptoms? what symptoms have improved for you?
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
I didn't read everything here... Big thread Gael - I was just away about a day or so...

re: They all jumped on the bb bandwagon and totally ignored this finding and pumped years and years of abx in unsuspecting patients that are chronically ill. The IDSA also is missing these facts as well.

-

Yes - I agree with this!

-

I just want to add - about personality traits that are "changed" by parasites - look into toxoplasmosis... There have been studies about this & mental disorders & changes in personality.

I don't know if I agree with Dr, K on all of this about "sticky & clingy". If one is ill & people are accusing one of being a hypocondriac, etc. & not getting proper care - it might make anyone a bit "nuts".

Also - I don't agree with saying that Lyme caused the Sandy Hook shooting (I didn't read the link but I have seen other articles to this effect). I think it's irresponsible to make that judgement not having known or treated the person who did it.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks for the comments sparkle. Since you haven't read through everything, it was suggested by me a few threads back to just stay on track of posting protocols, results and other pertinent info about parasites and how to get rid of them, instead of getting sidetracked about emotional changes and subjects such as the Sandy Hook shootings etc

Thanks for understanding.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Whoa, I really wasn't trying to offend anyone or go off track with lyme/sandyhook. The posts above mine spoke about people with feelings of anger, dark thoughts, etc. Thought it was pertinent and could indicate that it may be lyme causing those feelings, not just parasites.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Parasites are a part of the Lyme complex, and one of the major co-infections of lyme. Not really a seperate entity.

I was just trying to keep us on track about how to understand and get rid of this particular co-infection of parasites, including the life cycles and protocols everyone is taking since they seem to be holding the other infections from being eradicated.

I thought we were getting side tracked too much into discussing the emotional aspects and not focusing on how to get rid of the parasites.

Wasn't meant too offend anyone. Hope we can continue on a positive note and stay focused so we can help each other get well. [Smile]

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
I was't offended. I saw articles about that topic from other places... I just didn't agree with it & where that line of thought was going. No biggie.

I just don't want people who are well to start thinking people with Lyme are mentally ill or psychopaths. We already have enough to deal with.

Sorry Gael. Don't mean to sidetrack your thread...
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Does anyone have good links on parasite literature/science?

Any videos from Dr.K?

I don't seem to gain much from the Lymephotos website because of the lack of context and details.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
www.parasitology.com

Also Humaworm has some good info about parasites
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Thanks... reading....

Does anyone know which parasites are most common as a Lyme co-infection?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Roundworms,(ascaris) hookworms, threadworms, tapeworms, lungworms have ALL been reported by people with Lyme as well as the ones on Lymephotos.

FILARIAL WORMS are the ones that Willy Burgdorfer found in the original ticks he dissected. Dr Eva Sapi a researcher from connecticut has found filarial worms in over 40% of the ticks she dissected.

Lungworms (strongyloides) are very common with asthma and other breathing problems as well repeated bronchitis and pneumonia.

I had SEVERE asthma for over 40 yrs and got rid of it completely with antiparasitics and salt/c.

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I don't know how I got parasites (and I'm a clean, fussy gal)
Just like I am really not sure how I got Lyme.

I've been on the salt/C 18 days now, still holding at start dose, off antibiotics, just added (slowly) ACS 200 Silver spray.

I am having die off- sludge of debris, smaller parasites, but oh yes- and my stomach sounds like grand central station.

Ya know, I'm only 99 pounds- sometimes I wonder where all this stuff is staying- in my organs?

Sorry. Hope you are not eating breakfast.
Keep on trucking friends.
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
Is nobody rifing for parasites?

My husband was just in the hospital twice because of high blood pressure. He's not sure he wants to try salt / c right now.

He would like to do it later, after his bp is totally under control and he has backed off some of the meds.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I think people on the rife thread are rifing for parasites. Maybe your husband can start with one of the cleanses such as Parastroy? If he ever does decide to do salt/c, he can start and stay on a very low dose.

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Gael: I started back on Pyrantel Sunday night. Wouldn't you know I wheezed and coughed that entire night. I think it's hitting the lungworms.

CD57: I nebulize 600mg, 2-3x/day. The dose is 200 mg/ml with 3ml's in a syringe. I have only needed to nebulize 2x/day.

I breathe it all in through my nose. I checked with my LLNP yesterday to make sure that's ok and she said it was fine.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Hi guys,

I have a colonic scheduled in 2 hrs, I keep wanting to cancel [Frown]

I don't know why I'm scared. This would be the perfect time to start colonics because I am 4 days into another round of anti-parasitics.
 
Posted by robbiem (Member # 32092) on :
 
Great thread, Gael. Glad you thought to have this added on the site seperately.

I've been doing ongoing cleansing for the infamous parasites, on and off for about a year and a half now.

I'm markedly improved, but still not there yet.

Anyway, wanted to share with everyone --

I recently got a hunch to try incorporating the use of weekly castor oil packs to my protocol. Got the stuff out, haven't started.

I resumed treatment last week with some homeopathic drops from a company called UNDA. I am about to begin treating with Parastroy this Friday.

Anyway, the Unda drops seem to be kicking things up quite a bit as I noticed alot of discomfort in my arms and hands last night, which I haven't had in a while.

On impulse, I applied some of the castor oil and massaged it in to said areas. It felt great initially.

Then about 30mins later, I felt tons of movement, itching, biting, stabbing, etc. -- not only in the areas I applied the stuff, but in other areas as well.

I was impressed and left to wonder if I stumbled upon something by accident.

So today I googled "Castor Oil + Parasites" and found some potentially valuable info that I have never come across before.

One article specified that a doctor who treats for parasites incorporates the packs because they break up biofilms.

He had to treat himself for parasites and it took years to clear. But he indicates that he discovered that using the castor oil packs 3 times weekly cuts down significantly in treatment time ---

Here is the link:

http://www.tomsgoodfiles.com/how-i-killed-my-parasites.htm

In case anyone is interested, if you google as I specified above, you will find quite a few interesting tidbits/posts on Curezone discussing how the castor oil seems to be a miracle worker in breaking up the dreaded biofilms.

I am planning to begin incorporating the packs into my treatment and will keep everyone posted if anything of value occurs.

Robbie
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I have just spoken with my llnd and he told me that vit c gently chelates heavy metals

Is there any way that the combo of salt and vit c not only kills parasites but also gently chelates the heavy metals away , so that you are treating not only parasites but also heavy metals at the same time and this is why the salt c protocol is so effective?
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
lax mom - you are going to do great with the colonic! There's nothing terrible about it. It's a little bit tiring, but that's it. The benefits are wonderful. Be sure to eat nice and clean afterwards.

Let us know later how you made out.
 
Posted by prayerworks (Member # 37602) on :
 
I have been reading with great interest this post and for a while now I have been wondering if maybe I too have parasites.

I was diagnosed with lyme, bartonella and erlichia and I am currently being treated with azithromycin 250 twice a day and rifampin 150 twice a day.

One of my chief symptoms is a tight throat and tongue with intermittant weird sensations on my tongue and back of throat. If I even lift a bag of groceries it automatically makes my neck and tongue tighten and feel weird sensations.

I get rectal itching and burning all the time for years now.

I have anxiety and OCD issues too. I have watched as my personality has slowly changed over time and not necessarily for the better. More paranoid, clingy, reading into things.

Could parasites affect the muscles of the tongue and throat? Or maybe I am just grasping at straws?

Your thoughts are welcome. Thank you.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
robbiem,

Thanks so much for the great info on castor oil packs. Edgar Cayce talks about them for healing a lot. Good luck with yuur tx and thanks for sharing. Keep us posted. lax mom. hope your colonic goes well!!

Prayerworks,

your symptoms are VERY suspicuos of parasites especially the itchy rectum (pinworms) I would consider antiparasitics ASAP.

Maya,

I do believe what your LLND says about vitamin C as a chelator. It's a valuable protocol along with the salt in getting well. Thanks for sharing.

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Hi guys!

I made it through the colonic! I absolutely recommend them to everyone!

I went in there feeling like total crap (literally and figuratively)...when I left, I felt light and happy.

I'm planning on doing daily coffee enemas until my next colonic next week.

Thanks for recommending them!
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
Yay!! They seemed scary to me at first, but once I had them done it was no big deal at all.

I know they have really helped me to feel better [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Lax!
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
That's great laxmom! I knew you'd like it. Great that you will be doing daily coffee enemas. This will really help you tolerate treatments.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
lax mom,

WAY TO GO!!! Happy for you. You are going in the right direction for your healing.

Gael
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
Would using a colema board be similar to getting colonics to remove dead parasites, etc.?

I live in a small town and would have to drive a long way to get a colonic.
 
Posted by canadianmama (Member # 36298) on :
 
Couple of questions for the pros here please:

Since you all have been talking so such about everyone having parasites it made sense to me to do treatment on my whole family, not just my son with lyme.

We've all been taking diatomaceous earth for 1 month now.

About a week ago I had sudden urge to go and passed what looked like a earthworm sized thing, just floating there on top of the water. Still kind of in denial that it was a real worm!

I started the herbals again yesterday, trying to decide if they are right for my 12 year old with lyme, as he had terrible anxiety, almost psychosis last time he went on them. Any thoughts there? He was on a tiny dose. Would salt/c be gentler?

Other question: Just how do the parasites get out of areas other then GI tract?

I'm starting to think that I have lungworm, as I feel weird movements under my ribs and when I get sick I often get long term cough. Son with lyme also has asthma, so probable he has this too.

Trying not to get freaked out but would like to be able to visualize how they leave.

Also today I had really weird sensation like I couldn't breath, but I was breathing just fine and lots of strange wiggly feelings under my lowest ribs.

Should I up the herbal dose? I want to kill these things not just **** them off!

Also feeling sad, teary, and sort of out of my body.

Good thing I'm doing this myself so I can get well, but also understand what it's like for my son.

Thanks for any thoughts.
 
Posted by BBinme (Member # 34131) on :
 
CD57, what is A-P that you are taking? Is that a Bryron white formula? Do you take it for parasites?
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
canadianmama - I think it's great you are taking these steps!

With your son, I would think to start with small amounts of salt/c and herbs would work well. Start at very low doses and ramp up slowly. And stay on top of his detox. The salt might really help out his adrenals.....and this will likely help out his anxiety.

How do the parasites get out of the other areas outside of our GI tracks? I'm not sure. But I've heard it said that if the meds kill them, then the body knows how to break them down. I never delved further than that. I've also heard Gael say that the salt/c causes them to come out on their own (for instance thru the scalp, tear ducts, etc.).

As for yourself, definitely add salt/c to the mix with your herbals. Gael was on herbals for 6 months and did not see any improvements until she started adding salt/c. Then, in her words.... "all help broke loose", and the parasites began their mass exiting.

With the wiggly sensation in your lung/rib area, it seems very likely that you probably do have lungworm. So many of us have it. My doc recommended nebulizing 1 drop of potassium iodide daily. (I haven't been good about keeping up with this, but I plan to get back to it.)

I find this all so fascinating....and empowering! I am so grateful to know that these are fairly simple (and inexpensive!) things that we can do for ourselves to regain our health.

Go for it!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
canadianmama,

You posted info about your son a while back on another thread. I had suggested some ways to give him the antiparasitic herbs so you can lower the dose.

Mainly opening the caps and mixing them in applesauce. He may have an easier time the second time you try.

What was the dose you had him on last time and what were you giving him? As far as lung worms go, I had SEVERE asthma for yrs and got rid of it completely with the use of antiparasitic herbs and salt/c.

Dr. K. believes over 80% of his patients have lung worms and definitely those with asthma. Salt/c can be an excellent antiparasitic, but don't know how your son would react to the dieoff.

I might have asked this before, but is there a Dr.K. trained practitioner that is ART trained that you can take your son to? Or an ND that understands how to treat parasites? Really sounds like he needs a professional to oversee his tx.

P. S.

The emotional reactions and tears you are having def can come from a herx. I had LOTS of crying and sobbing when i first started to go after parasites.

What herbals are you using?

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
BBinme, yes A-P is a Byron White formula. His line-up has really expanded I see.
 
Posted by canadianmama (Member # 36298) on :
 
Thanks for the replies Tammy and Gael,

Sounds like I think I should get the salt/c book, is there any difference between the ebook and the hard copy?

Gael, We have a Clarkia tincture mix with clove, black walnut, wormwood. It was from "Tools for Health". My son was taking a tiny dose, 2 drops twice a day. Recommended starter dose for his weight was 9 drops a day. I thought we would scale up but a couple of weeks and he was a terrible mess. Had to come right off them.

I took 9 drops of the Clarkia yesterday, feeling it out and thinking about giving him it again.

I put him on the diatomaceous earth with the thought that it might take care of some of the GI parasites, lessening the load when we try again the more herbs or salt/c.

I would love to have him with a Dr.K practitioner, but we are seriously out of $ with me having taken a year off to care for him. We do have a EAV practitioner that sees us for next to nothing, but it's 6 hour trip to see him.

I'm pretty confident with a pendulum, and have a long history with herbals/wildcrafting/alternate health so have to just go with that, help from you smart folk and lots of prayer!

On the plus side my son's overall health is improving, he's back at school 2 days a week, and even played tag with the other kids for 45 minutes and felt fine afterwards! He's not using his cane in the house anymore either. Kind of makes it hard to push his treatment up when I know it could make him feel worse short term.

Please comment:I'm thinking our plan should be:

Investigate salt/c, try it myself to see what it's like.

Stay on the DE

Start more binders for him:He started ground Chia, thinking maybe modified citrus pectin,

Energetic test for tinctures again-right now he's testing NO.

Any thoughts on using herbals topically? He tested yes for this.

I know that's a lot of questions I am truly grateful for the time and thoughts spent helping us.

With being teary today and how tough this has all been I'just want to hug you all!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The tinctures typically contain alcohol and maybe having an adverse effwect on him. I would order the childrens Humaworm or something similar that you can get at a health food store. For someone that has his symptoms even 2 drops a day sounds like too much. One drop per day would be all I would start him with if you decide to try it again.

Maybe ask the pendulum if that does would work. I for some reason am not comfortable with the tincture for him.

I also would e-mail Mark Fett the owner of Lymestrategies salt/c group and explain his symptoms and ask about the salt/c. I understand that the book from Amazon is better than the e-book.

If it were my child, I would only start him on 1/8tsp salt/c in a glass of water per day, and have him sip it throughout the day not gulp it down.

I would go VERY slow with him. I think the salt/c could be very beneficial for him given all the minerals in the sea salt and the benefits of vitamin C.

Just thinking that lithium (not suggesting this) has been used for some similar maladys. Sending you so many prayers and hugs. You are a wonderful mom. [group hug]

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
this is my day to start salt c. i take a lot of supps...a few meds...and plan to do the salt c in the middle of the day away from other stuff at this point.

above someone else said they were starting salt c yesterday and asked for advice. i didnt see the answers and cant sit up long so was hoping those of you who know could just make a short list...what not to take when on salt c...or what to space it from...and maybe common side efects or herx stuff...

thanks for being here...i hope i start to get results and jump on this bandwagon
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
lpkayak - I take my salt/c first thing in the morning on an empty stomach, about 1/2 hour before breakfast. Then I take it again 1/2 hour before dinner, on an empty stomach.

I know everything gets tricky when taking so many things and trying to time it all. Maybe consider paring down some things and not taking so much. I'm not sure if this is an option for you. I just find I do better overall when I'm not taking too many things.

If you start very slowly (like with 1/8 tsp of each) I don't think you should experience much in the way of side effects. Then bump up to 1/4tsp. And slowly ramp up from there as needed.

Good luck.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
thx tammy...im not sure if my stomach can handle the c empty...is that necessary

i now take 4 things on empty stomach when i wake and then dont eat for an hr...when i take a bunch of stuff...im just not sure what to do...do you count the c you already take? i take 1000 am and 1000pm

should i change that to when i take the salt...i thought it would be easy to just add the salt

maybe not
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Maybe try the salt/c midday, before lunch. Yes, I would take the c with the salt. That's the magical combo. If you get upset stomach, maybe eat soon after.

Maybe Gael can weigh in..... maybe it's ok to take salt/c with food. I thought it was best on empty stomach though.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks Tammy for some good advice on salt/c and especially not taking so many supplements. "keep it simple" Has been my guide for a long time.

Ipkayak,

You can just sip the salt/c during the day and not gulp it down if that makes you more comfortable.

Taking it with food is okay, but it probably stuns the parasites a little more when there is not as much food ingested. The important thing is just to get started.

You can definitely kill these suckers either way. When you are more comfortable, then you can sip a little on an empty stomach.

I know you said you didn't have results on Humaworm or Parastroy, but a short one mos try is NEVER enough to tell. It took me 6 mos to see results.

The combo of the herbs and salt/c can be lethal to these parasites. I would absolutely encourage you to give it another try.

Gael
 
Posted by annxyzz (Member # 20404) on :
 
Maya , in my opinion this may have nothing to do with lyme, but is simply a characteristic of an anxiety disorder caused by chemical imbalance . Millions of people struggle with this. Rather than live a tortured life, I would correct the imbalance with MEDS .

Racing brain goes with the obsessiveness and anxiety . You would not believe how different life is once the imbalance is treated !
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
gael-did you mention once that you eat dairy to get worms to go somewhere and then take meds?
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
whoa...ok-i took the saltt c about 2 hrs ago. no nausea but i feel like i am "flying" right now.

whew. i dont like this feeling. it is what psyc meds do to me. woozy.

i have always had low BP. lately occasionally it is high. cna the salt do something to my BP...is this woozy feeling high BP? gotta rest i guess.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Yes, I am a big milk drinker and it always has agreed with me. Keeps the worms in the G. I. track and then I hit them with herbs and salt/c.

How much salt/c did you start with, and did you sip it gradually or gulp it down?

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I have a feeling she gulped it all down at once. Hope you're okay IP, Check back when your up to it.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
im ok-sorry you worried...tutu just called me too

i did gulp it soen...not sure if i could get it down any other way

i ended up eating 1/2 a chicken sandwich-even tho it wasnt a meal time...it just seemed what i should do and in about 1/2 hr the dizziness went away

sorry i didnt think to go here. i got a few phone calls

i have also noticed a sort of "hungry" feeling i know is when i am having troubel with yeast and go yeast free and i think of it as the yeastie beasties wanting to eat...i wonder if it is yeast or the worms wanting to stop dying. hope so. its just a hint-not a strong feeling

so i am ok. actually toook a few steps alone somewhere along the way but not for long. weakness is back.

maybe my knee is loosenting up.

i had taken 1/4 tsp and 500 mg c...i dont have powder yet-is that a problem?

thanks.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Is the ratio of C to salt 1 gram to 1 gram? I am going from memory, haven't been back to the site yet. 1/4 teaspoon is 1/4 grams.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey Anna thanks for the concern , I have tried many antidepressants and the just make me worse but was in to see my llnd today and he has given me some stuff for anxiety and to help clear my brain and also to help detox me

He tested me for these supps so apparently this is what my body wants and it seems to be helping a bit even after one dose, so here's hoping

He found I am also very toxic and full of parasites and biofilms and metals so we are detoxing for a bit to clean my body out then it will be back to killing parasites and getting metals out

Apparently my body is not detoxing at all and my liver enzymes are up so I need to back off for a bit but ramp up detox
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CD57:
Is the ratio of C to salt 1 gram to 1 gram? I am going from memory, haven't been back to the site yet. 1/4 teaspoon is 1/4 grams.

1/4 teaspoon of salt or C is approx. 1.5 grams

Yes, the ratio is usually 1:1, though I do 1:2
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Gael, do you really think the salt/c kills lungworm? Or do you think it's parasitic herbs?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

I can't say for sure whether it was an either or, but I do know that years before I knew I had lung parasites, I was taking lots of vitamin C by itself and it helped calm my asthma down.

It never eradicated though. If I had to guess, I think it was both the herbs and salt/c that killed them.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
is it ok to take the c in capsules not powder?

what are highest doese you take?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
You can take the C in caps, yes. I have worked up to 20gms a day over a period of time. I am on a much lower dose now. I did 4tsp of each vitamin C powder mixed with sea salt in a glass of water in divided doses.

That was when I was at my worst. A lot of folks only go up as high as 12gms a day and some do well on lower doses. It's an individual thing.

I am not advocating that you have to go as high as I did. It really is best to order the salt/c book from Amazon in order to get the best advice.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Can anyone recommend a nice chewable Vit C? I love those, and am more apt to be compliant when I can chew and swallow or take sublingually.

I have taken "Orange Juice" which is chewable and nice. Any other recommendations?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
For this protocol to be most effective, Ester C powder with bioflavinoids and sea salt should be mixed together in a glass of water so it can circulate in the tissues and go after the parasites.

Sorry, but not everything is going to be pleasant when going after these bugs.

Some people do put the sea salt in capsules and then take vitamin C caps, but you have to drink a full glass of water if you do it that way so it can circulate and not be hard on your stomach.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael. I'm pretty sure that's an issue for me (lung worm). The parasite meds seem to help me better with this (instantly). I need to get back on them. I think the salt C is a nice patch for me til I get them.

[ 01-18-2013, 04:24 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
ok-day 2...we'll see.

i changed a few things up. i took my 4 meds i have to take without food when i waked up to pee...then went back to bed for a few hrs.

then on an empty stomach i had a saltine and about 3-4 oz skim milk

10 min later i had 6 oz water and 2 500mg ester c caps

(got slightly nauteous-not bad)

10 min later i had 1/4tsp sea salt in 4 oz water...then 2 oz plain water

it hasnt been a half hour yet. my nausea is gone. im ready to eat my rice cake and walnut butter and bluberries when the timer goes off for 30 min

oh---and gues i should say...altho i really dont think this means anything...i did look in the toilet and saw one...very skinny-about 2 inches long stringy thing. i cant imagine it could have happened so soon...i cant say it wasnt food...but it was not like anything i have ever seen...so maybe???

and also-for those of you who knew i couldnt walk yesterday..i wwoke up able to walk. my calfs are very crampy and and the knee caps on my srtificial knees feel strange...but i seem to be walking normally...and really couldnt old weight on right claf at all yesterday

my timer is going off! time for breakfast...hope i can do this and it helps

ps-gael...before i was on both huma and para for 2 or 3 months in a row eeach...not just one...i think it is important for me to get going with salt/c first

[ 01-18-2013, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: lpkayak ]
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
ok-45 min after salt c-1/2 way thru breakfast the woosiness is back. im just gonna ride it out and see what happens. what do you think it is?

also-what do you guys think of this...his definition of parasites might be different than what we are talking about...im not sure:

http://www.autismone.org/content/parasite-paradigm-complex-paradigm-lyme-borreliosis-and-chronic-infections-dr-jeff-wulfman
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Why are you starting at 1 1/4tsp sea salt? Really a lot to start with. It can hit you too hard when starting at this dose.

No wonder you feel woozy. Should start with 1/4tsp salt and 1/4ts C (1,25 mg approx)

Yes, you most likely saw a worm and you are probably loaded given your symptoms. It can happen that fast especially at the dose you started at.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Yes, he refers to parasites as bacteria, vruses, fungi, protozoa....alltogether.

Good presentation!
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
wooziness is gone. gonna start my day
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i am taking 1/4 tsp salt...sorry typo
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
okay, keep us posted. One stringy thing at a time. Where there's one there is a lot more. Just keep going!

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
a friend came over unexpectantly to work on my house...so i was on my feet more than i planned. i had trouble walking after that but everythingn else felt good. except for a grumbling tummy and a few stabbing pains in places i am used to having them: chest, back right side

so...with my big meal of the day coming up i decided to go ahead and do it again...milk...c in caps...1/4 tsp salt.

i immeadiatly had to run to toilet but nothing exciting...i guess the c could do that to anyone...

so just hangin out and hopin...we'll see. im more brave cuz you guys are there.
 
Posted by derk diggler (Member # 31903) on :
 
why the hell am i so scared to treat parasites,? is it me fearfull of things getting worse or is it the parasites doing the thinking for me???? ****en wwwweeeeeeeeiiiiiiiirrrrrrddddddd
 
Posted by robbiem (Member # 32092) on :
 
Derk

The parasites have a way of making you NOT want to go after them.

I know it sounds like something out of a horror movie (which actually it kinda is)

But they have a way of messing with your thinking, your mind, and your rationale.

If you are really concerned, then take things super duper slow.

You don't have to start at what someone says is the recommended dose --- start slow and you can pulse on and off a day at a time and see.

If it gets a little uncomfortable take a break.

Besides once you start it's almost kind of exhilirating in a way.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
derk - go for it! It could be your game-changer.

Like the Nike slogan says -- Just do it.

[Smile]
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
derk-i was scared...of making myself worse...of finding out i couldnt do it...couldnt keep the salt c down long enough...

anyway...what tammy and robbie are saying is really true...turned out it was easy-so far-im still a real beginner with no results...but at least i started

take a few days and just see what happens...there have been time i took one psyc drug or gi drug from a duck and ended up in er or sick for weeks...that is what i was afraid of...i can handle losing a few days...a few weeks is harder

good luck
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
derk: I was terrified too. In fact, at first, I crushed one clove and put it in water and thought I was killing some parasites [Wink]

Then I tried a child's dose of Humaworm...now I'm on my 2nd round of RX anti-parasitics.

Now, I look at the anti-parasitics as just another tool in my toolbox:
-like anti-fungals, anti-virals, antibiotics. No big deal. (and I was posting that I was terrified to start my 2nd round this past Sunday).
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Lax mom, just noticed in your sig "non functional NK cells". What does that mean exactly, how did they become that way? And does that mean it's harder to kill bugs?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Also I added 1/4 t salt with 1 gram C....nothing so far.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

That's great. You might not notice anything right away, but go slow because it can build up. Keep us posted. Are you taking any antiparasitic herbs?

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
CD57: I had a test that checks the function of the NK cells.

It's called "Natural Killer Cell Function LU30".

My results were so low it meant my NK cells were non-functional.

I just started taking AHCC to try to improve it.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
3rd day salt c

hello friends...glad you are there. i am slow today. woke up unable to walk again -at all- this is not related to salt c...but it is hard on me mentally and physically when it happens so harder to keep up with protocols

so i let my self feel sad...said i didnt have to do salt c if i couldnt...had a small breakfast and 1/2 hr later felt like doing the c.

i think my motivation was partly from looking in the toilet. more of the 1 inch stringy white things and many, many little seseme seed type things -they have been coming out of my skin for years.

i will go to lymephotos later to look up what they both are later.

still a little weak...but dont have much to do today but rest so i will be ok. back later. thx.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ipkayak,

Thanks so much for keeping us updated. The sesame seed type things you describe ca be tapeworm segments. Resting is always healing, so give yourself permission.

Coconut water would be a very good adjunt for you since it is high in potassium and other vit and minerals. Balances electrolytes when doing salt/c and is good for the kidneys. Have a nice, peaceful day. [Smile]

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
thx gael...it has been slow and quiet. im up taking 2nd dose. i am starting to run out of important things so may need to take a day to shop. i was going to ask you if there are special diets that are good or bad while fighting parasites. i saw about the coconut water above. it surprised me when i read you drink milk. anything else in general? thx. lp
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
Is anyone using diamatacous (sp?) earth (DE)as a way to go after the parasites?

My husband has started using DE and is up to 1/2 teas 2 -3 times a day. Can't say he noticed anything yet....
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I'm on GSE, A-P by Byron White with 1/4 t. salt 2x day with matching Vit C.

Nothing so far.

Feeling discouraged as I am quite ill with neuro/cog symptomsbut never respond to ANYTHING. I can take bottles of abx, drink tons of herbs, and I'll get a tiny response initially, then nothing! It's like my immune system is trying to work, but can't. I am terrified of being a non-responder. I don't get colds or fevers and my LLMD (a good one) has run out of ideas I think and is just throwing things at me willy-nilly. Is there any hope?

I have no candida, interestingly, and my adrenals are in good shape. ?? Just had a stool test and there was NO candida at all, just one bacteria that I am treating with GSE.
 
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
 
MannaMe, Diatomaceous Earth aka DE has been my main supporting agent.

Look up my earlier post of today "How to detect parasites" amd scroll all the way down.

Here is more
http://www.organic-gardening-shop.com/Agorganics/Artilces/Food%20Grade%20Diatomaceous%20Earth%20and%20It's%20Many%20Uses.pdf

With DE there is not much left to see because it works like a razor blade!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Consider adding something like Parastroy or Humaworm with the salt/c. I also added Super Digestaway by Soloray also antiparasitc, plus extra cloves, HCL, coconut oil, coconut water, and Kefir. I was VERY sick when I started this protocol and herxed like crazy.

You might also want to imcrease your salt/c, but do it slowly. It did 6 mos of antiparasitic herbs and saw nothing, until I added the salt/c.

All h#ll broke loose and tons of parasites started exiting. It Takes persistence, so don't be discouraged. It's just a matter of finding what works.

You might just need to increase things. BTW, The digestive enzymes can be taken in between meals as well. They can help a lot with brain fog.

Gael
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Gael,

Which digestive enzymes work the best? Protease?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I really like Super Digestaway by Soloray plant enzymes.

They contain

papaya,

bromelein,

aloe vera gel

peppermint root,

ginger root

pepsin

pancreatin,

porcine bile extract

and betaine HCL.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Gael, thanks for your encouragement. We have talked before. What do you make of my not responding for long to Lyme and co's treatment?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I just wanted to add:

I've been on salt/C only a month, consecutively taking it 2x a day, and I have not upped the dose-

1/4 tsp. (kind of heaping) pink salt and Thorne buffered Vit. C mixed in- about 2 grams each time dose.

I believe (and read in my e-book purchased) it is the slow, steady application that works- and it's very important not to go too high too fast.

I've done lots of drugs for parasites and Lyme, and salt/C snookered me quite a bit- so I'm holding steady at my start dose.

I also read the herx points can come up at you in 4 week intervals.

I also added ACS silver spray (never done before) since I am off all antibiotics now-

For me, when infections of whatever types are being 'hit',
I find I need to nap or lie down during the day- which is frustrating (didn't have this over the holidays)

but part of my deal I have to accept while going through healing, which has never been as fast as I'd like ;-).

Hang in there everybody.
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Gael,

Ah, I take:

Digestive Aid by Solgar
(Pancreatin, Ox Bile, Pepsin,Betaine-HCL, Diastase, Papain)

and

Essential Enzymes by Source Naturals
(Lipase, Protease, Alpha-Amylase, Amyloglucosidase, Cellulase, Lactase)

I wasn't taking them particularly for parasites, but because abx destroyed my gut.

My digestion has improved greatly.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
CD57: I can't remember, but have you been ART tested?
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Guys,

I am COMPLETELY wiped out, nearly non-functional today. I have been back on the Pyrantel Pamoate since Sunday.

I was doing pretty well being functional about 60% of the day (the past few days), until today.

Today, I began my 2 day round of Biltricide.

Add to that I've been slowly weaning up on Valtrex for viruses. I am now up to 500mg, 3x/day.

I just want to stop everything...but I keep telling myself the Biltricide is only today and tomorrow.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

I am pretty sure the reason you did not respond to the tx you mentioned is because you weren't taking the herbs and abx that would target your infections. lax om has a good suggestion for you to get ART tested.

I might have asked you this before (sorry if I am repeating)but can you find a Dr. K Art practioner in your area? If not, I would persist with the salt/c and add some of the herbs and enzymes mentioned.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
lax mom,

When I took valtrex yrs ago, it wiped me out and depressed me. Maybe consider cutting way back on the dose. I think it might be too much with the biltricide. Up to you of course. Hope you feel better.

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
lax mom - have you been able to try coffee enemas yet? They make a HUGE difference in being able to tolerate and eliminate all of the die-off and toxins. Also, don't forget good binders.

CD57 - Don't lose heart. You've just begun. It doesn't sound like you are targeting the parasites yet. The salt/c is a very good start. Once you start the anti-parasitic herbs (that contain black walnut hull, wormwood, cloves, etc.) that's when I think you will begin to see results. It's smart to go slow so you don't overwhelm your body.

Those sesame seed things are telling you something. The first time I tried Humaworm, I passed tons of sesame seed things. I believe they were larve (eggs).

Stick with it. Feel better.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
manna-recently a friend started reading to me about DE and it sounded really good...i also have read gigi talk about it and with her experience you know you are getting good info

i had thought i would start it soon...but now with new salt c and unrelated mobility issues i can only do one thing...it does sound the way it works that it would help with lots of things at once...

sounds like a lot of you are struggling...im very new (3 days) and going slow(2x a day)
and ok...i continue to feel odd sensations that i have felt b4 and hope i am killing something bad.

if it is easy for someone to post the name of "the book" please do..esp if it is an ebook...

and anything any of you want to share about diet-good, bad, anything...please do that. i am also going thru diet changes now.

thx
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
lpkayak,

I am not very experienced here so I can't vouch for any of these, but from what I have read these are some foods that effect parasites:

Parasite killers (eat)-
pumpkin seeds
papaya seeds
garlic
coconut
(fresh) thyme, sage, rosemary
clove
turmeric
raw carrot

Parasite helpers (avoid)-
simple sugars
raw fish (liver flukes)
uncooked meats (worms)


That's all I can remember for the moment.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
thank you vv---ive been doing pretty good then. but can up the raw carrots tho...and not sure wher to get papaya seeds. but thx!
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i cant find the e book...the real book is kinda expensive...thx
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

I did 4yrs of abx, incl 6mos IV Rocephin, MMS, 2yrs IVIG, alakalizing, juicing, acupuncture, colonics and more than I can remember.

I herxed like crazy, but NOTHING worked until I started salt/c and antiparasitics. I still herxed like crazy, but the difference was that I SAW results in the form of parasites exiting.

I pray that you get some results from these protocols. Persistence is key, so try and be patient a little longer.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ipkayak,

Google lymestrategies salt/c e book and it will come up. The cost is $29.95 I don't have a copy any more, or I would send it to you. I lost it when my computer crashed last year.

Gael
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Gael,

MMS? What's that?
Did you not even see partial improvement on other protocols?
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
CD57 - My heart goes out to you. My sincere hope is that you have finally found something that will set you on the path to wellness. In my heart of hearts, I believe you will start to get results once you start adding in some herbs.

Keep us posted.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
I've been having a ton of issues this week so I backed salt/C down to 1/4tsp salt and 1,000mg C a day.

My kidney pain is finally gone- not sure if it was a herx or not.

And I just got my Humaworm!! I want to be careful going forward because I've had strong reactions to just the salt/c so far-

Does anyone have a suggestion on how slow I should go on the Humaworm?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
daynise,

You can always do just half the dose recommended. If you want to step into it even lighter, you can open the capsules and mix it in some applesauce and just take a small amount thoughout the day. It's an individual thing. See how you feel. Keep us posted.

VV,

MMS is Miracle, Mineral Supplement better known as sodium chlorite. Not to be confused with sea salt. I did the PH Miracle program (Dr. Robert Youngs alkalizing program.

Didn't budge these fierce infections I had. The parasites were totally not fased by it.

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
CD57: I bet if you go after parasites and heavy metals, you will feel better.

I know it's beyond frustrating to try everything and get nowhere.

Heck, I just started reading "The Healing Code". I'm just that desperate for anything that might remotely help me.

In my case, I feel like MASSIVE, unrelenting stress is hindering my progress, since it does lower immune function.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Is MMS the same as ASEA? I just started that this week...it smells like bleach.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Gael, thanks!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome daynise.

lax mom,

MMS smelled just like bleach also. I tried to look up the ingredients of ASEA, but all they say is it's salt and water made of 16 chemically recombined salt water.

Purified water from Utah using reverse osmosis and distillation. They say it's cured salt water. Okay, let me get this straight.

It's Utah tap water with added salt and then processed. Maybe it's me, but does anyone else think there is something wrong with this picture?

Gael

[ 01-20-2013, 05:15 AM: Message edited by: glm1111 ]
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
well...i took a 3rd dose and nothing has happened...good or bad...so guess i can tolerate 3 doses a day...
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
LAx mom, nope Asea is different. MMS smells and tastes hideous, I herxed on it for awhile as well but the results were not long lasting. It was hideous. Gael, you tried it too and got nowhere? Wow,

Thank you guys so much. I feel like a whiny baby and rarely say much about this to anyone anymore....but after 6 yrs I'm really pretty scared that there is nothing left to try. When your very good LLMD doesn't know what to do that's even scarier. I don't really believe in "non responders" b/c it seems like there is an answer for everyone.....but I've had these infections for a LONG time so they've had a long time to get entrenched and not budge.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
LAX mom -- I AGREE that massive, unrelenting STRESS is a huge part of the picture. Finances, family, etc.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
A few months back my ART practitioner picked up on a massive stress episode I was enduring. Usually, I don't have unrelenting stress, but I was dealing with an enormously stressfull event. I found it interesting that he picked up right away on it.

Anyway, he recommended Theanine (must be suntheanine, approx. 100-150mg). I found it to be a big help. Plus it helped promote good sleep at bedtime (but remain non-drowsy during the day).
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
day 4 salt c

well...i did wake in severe pain with leg and i dont think that is related to salt c. the one thing the leg problem is doing is slowing me down enough to be able to try salt c.

so i took a dose first thing on empty stomach...got a little nausea...not bad...ate light breakfast half hour later and am ok

i may have passed more stringy things...hard to tell but i can report***gross warning*** i blew my nose and i am pretty sure i saw a perfect, chubby, little white worm...about 1/4 in long. i may find my microscope later...i think i see a mouth.

so now i am ocd about blowing my nose even tho there really isnt anything there

well...we'll see what the day brings.

CD-im reading your story and feeling really bad. but please remember---even tho it is scarey when a big wig llmd says he doesnt know what to do---that is what this disease is all about. we are on the fringes of learning about it. i was there when they started ilads and have followed many of the llmds along the way. they all went off on slightly different tangents -and with good reason-they were all really smart-cared- and no one really knew what to so...so each in his(her) own way followed what they thought would get them to the answe.

now parts of the puzzle are coming together...maybe they will get their collective brains together with new info and really come up with an answer.

i guess that was off topic and maybe i should have pmed it...but it does seem the new thinking
is in the direction of gaels signature

"PARASITES/WORMS ARE NOW
RECOGNIZED AS THE NUMBER 1 CO-INFECTION IN LYME DISEASE BY ILADS*

add in biofilms and the problem may have been identifed...pray for the cure...
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I saw what may have been a stringy thing this AM also. Not sure.

Feeling extremely fatigued esp in the AM, this has been getting worse the past month or so. Lots of headaches too. Feel hot and getting chills at night, can't get warm. Babesia?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Seeing those white stringy things are music to my ears. Your symptoms are most likely from the G.I. parasites dying.

A warm water enema would be good to do for the parasites moving down into the lower colon. Drink lots of water. Keep going and keep us posted. We're all rooting for you!

Gael
 
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
 
I do not come here much because I do not want to even think of myself as a warrior. I feel it is the wrong attitude and I do not want to give myself the name just as I do not call myself by a Lyme-name. Being a warrior and a Lymie does not get people well because it costs energy and stress. Energy always follows the thought.

Many of us got sick and more sick because of how we think.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
gael...why does it say"free download" and then charge 29.? am i at the right place?

now this is gross too..but i hope i am supposed to be happy about it. i felt a hair in my mouth...but when i got it out (i shed and have a dog so i am used to hair) but this wasnt hair. it looked a lot like some of the pics...white, stringy, maybe half inch...yuk. they are going to come out of my mouth??? i know i should be happy...but...yuk! i need to find my microscope and get into this as a sciend project like gael said she did
 
Posted by GiGi (Member # 259) on :
 
Please don't glibly "nix" MMS because you tried it and it "didn't work for you". It helps autistic children; it helps many people. Many people cannot use Salt & Co because it is very tough on the kidneys, blood pressure, and other factors.
The liver has to survive if you want to live.
Kidneys do not regenerate.

Study MMS before you kill it. I am using it in form of MMS enemas and MMS baths. I am also using Diatomaceous Earth. DE busts open biofilm. I am old enough at 81 to have accumulated a lot of biofilm. Biofilm hides parasites. Biofilm hides more than Lyme & Co.

http://www.jimhumble.biz./20-tub-baths.html

And now to my Jane Fonda Walkout - A mile in 18 minutes -- in my living room because it is too cold and foggy outside.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i understand how you feel gigi. positive is best. but you know...when my mom had breast cancer she saw bernie siegle-a surgeon who stopped surgery to get ppl to cure themselves with meditation...and he said to use what works.

one child meditated on a fluffy white cat going around inside eating up the cancer germs...thats kinda violent-but it worked for her

i know so much i want to be well and riding and kayaking and not here...and i do that when i can. but having a place to vent is impt to me too...the outside world just doesnt get it. and saying "lymie" takes less pain for me than describing it...takes many more words.

but i do respect where you are coming from...positive is best.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
I know this is getting off topic, but I don't think there is such a thing as "wrong attitude" when it comes to illness. If people cope by giving the disease or facet of struggling nicknames, it doesn't offend me.

Everything we feel about being sick is part of the healing process- the denial, the anger, the grieving, the helplessness, the hope, the fight, the acceptance...all of it.

People are where they are and I respect that- because I know I have been there or might end up there myself- If you are able to sustain positive thinking through all of it, that's wonderful! But I don't believe that we should be expected to do this gracefully.

[ 01-20-2013, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: daynise ]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Definition of a warrior: A person beyond all obstacles still manages to be successful. One who persevers in the end.

GiGi,

I respect all that you give to the board here, but I am truly dissapointed that you would post such a negative statement about this thread. Several people here were asking for this specific title of "Warrior".

Your statement is an afront to all the wonderful people that are posting here and fighting for there lives.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
ramdom sharp pains:

has anyone equated this with killing worms???

the first day i had them in back sort of liver area just now had one in right knee...whew!

stabbing...makes me cry out...then goes...i hope im killing those suckers...

(and honest...i hate killing things...i catch spiders and put them outside...but fleas or bedbugs or worms inside me...cnat go that far)
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ip.

Stabbing pains can be common with Lyme and I believe on the symptom list for parasites. You also posted that you spit what you thought was a worm out of your mouth.

They can come out of your mouth, and other orfices as well. I spit out a few of the egg shell blue ones myself.

P. S.

Your not alone with the killing aspect.I found myself feeling empathy for these critters when I first felt them dying. I quickly got hold of myself when it came down to me or them. They had to go!!!

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GiGi:
I do not come here much because I do not want to even think of myself as a warrior. I feel it is the wrong attitude and I do not want to give myself the name just as I do not call myself by a Lyme-name. Being a warrior and a Lymie does not get people well because it costs energy and stress. Energy always follows the thought.

Many of us got sick and more sick because of how we think.

How is this negativity helpful?

I am not staying sick because I am a warrior defeating these awful parasites. That is ridiculous.

Condemning those who are still sick, blaming their illness on them...because they choose an empowering name like "Warrior" is just as terrible as what the ID dr's do to us.

This thread is a positive thread of a group of strong, like minded, people who plan on being victorious over a disease (parasites) that has snuck in like a Trojan horse, hiding behind Lyme, and all the other co-infections, silently doing it's damage and trying to destroy lives.

If you want to hold hands with the parasites and sing a song with them while skipping through a meadow...have at it...but please do not send any negativity our way...we have a job to do and your negativity will hinder our progress.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Hi fellow parasite warriors:

I am almost through my 2nd day of Biltricide (combined with Pyrantel, Valtrex and everything else)...I have had to sleep quite a bit.

I have to say, when, once again, I saw liver flukes this morning, I knew that the discomfort was worth it.

Hopefully, I will feel much better tomorrow.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
This may be inappropriate to say, but I'm gonna say it anyway in response the liver flukes that lax mom got rid of.

Ya know the movie with Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal "When Harry Met Sally" when they are in the diner and she acts out an orgasim? And she is screaming "YES! YES! YES!.

That's just what I want to do when I see someone post that they got rid of some of these critters. Hope I didn't offend anyone, just thought we could use a laugh.

Way to go lax mom!

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Gael: hilarious! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Well, I am not finding this process nearly as exciting (lol)

But it is exciting to see improvements with treatments, which I have had :-)

Lpkayak, I was also thinking Lyme when you described migratory pains. I have no idea where you are at with Lyme

(Know you are old timer and wise) but salt/C to me is also, for me I strongly believe, hitting Lyme. I was kind of surprised (ha ha) after all the Lyme drugs and herbs,

but there you have it.
Yes, I am having die off too, still.
xxoo
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
well you got me laughing...any chance you could send a big O thru the computer?

from what i am reading...salt c does get Bb and everything else in the soup...its a complicated action-reaction scenario

2 yrs ago i had an igenex wb with 2 pos sig bands...llmds disagree about if more tx will help

i think i am going the route of changing my inside environment hoping to get thru biofilms to kill bugs and help my immune system get going
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
O O O O O O O O O O O O O O [woohoo] [woohoo]
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Gael - that was LOL funny!

lpkayak - you are on your way! You have them on the run.

laxmom - that's great news!

I find it very empowering to see them expelled.

Since I ran out of herbs and was on a little break, and now I'm back on, they are coming out of me also.

Recently I stopped everything because I am having some weird sort of allergic reaction that is causing my right eyelid to be swollen, red and itchy. My LLMD and my ART practitioner don't know what it's from. The eye doctor called it "Contact Dermatitis".

I thought it was possibly related to a hair tinting product, then possibly LDN, then possibly a reaction to colbalt (B12), then I thought maybe the herbs??? So darn confusing. So I thought I would stop everything and see if it goes away. Well, it hasn't.

Since I stopped everything, I've been feeling a lot of old symptoms coming back quickly. Ugh. I don't want to lose ground.

So, in the last few days I've just stuck with the salt/c and herbs because I know I have to keep killing these damn things. They eyelid is still weird. And I'm not feeling as great as I was. Feeling a lot of auto-immunity stuff.

I'm anxious to get back on the LDN. I think I may restart that tonight. The pharmacists said my eye thing didn't sound related.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i just realized something-normally i am on 100mg doxy from eye doc for what he calles chronic infec=he doesnt say lyme...but i figure that is what it is and the 100 a day keeps itchy, blurry, dry sx away. since i started the salt i havent been on the doxy...i just forgot cuz the sx was gone. i usually cant stand it. i would rather take salt c for eyes than doxy...
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
gael-why do you double the c
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Tammy,

Did you get my pm a while back about salt possibly causing you to have dry eye? I know you want to stay on the salt/c and maybe it is part of a herx/infection coming out.

Google dry eyes + salt. Says salt can cause this You will also see some solutions that are suggested for this.

Hope you get this resolved.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ip,

What are you referring to when you say, why do you double the C?
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Gael - I thought I replied....maybe I didn't....sorry. Anyway, I don't have dry eyes. It is an irritation on the eyelid.

Maybe the salt/c is pushing critters through the lid. Should I just do herbals and stop the salt/c? I stopped for a few days but when it didn't improve, I just went back to it. (I hate to stop because I'm still quite infected.)

Not feeling great, and this is bumming me out. I have to try to keep my head clear. I have to try to view this as a bump in the road.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Oh okay. If it's just on the eyelid then that's a different story. I have had tiny critters emerge from from tear ducts (form of grit) and from my eyelid. So, probably is part of the infection for you.

Have you tried any coconut oil on your eyelid? Don't get bummed, I do think it's part of the infection. I would go back on the herbs and stay on the salt/c. It will resolve itself.

Wonder what would happen if you increase the salt/c a little. If it gets worse, then it's most likely from infection. Salt purges and pushes out toxins. Hang in there kiddo

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Thanks Gael. It helps so much that you have been on this path before us, and have experienced so many of these oddities along the way. I appreciate the supportive words.

I have tried coconut oil. But only sporadically. Will give it a try with consistency.

Interesting thought on increasing the salt/c.

I was thinking also about maybe warm salt-water compresses on the eye. Not sure if that will further aggravate the skin or if it will help kill bugs if they are there.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome Tammy. I would do just plain warm water compresses and alternate with cool ones to see which one feels better.

The other thing that comes to mind is to try some vaseline on the eyelid to restore moisture. Vaseline was a lifesaver for me when my kids were little and had diaper rash. Hope you get this resolved soon.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
gael i just went back to look at posts...i could have sworn when talking about doses you said start at 1/4 tsp salt and 1000mg c even tho you doubled the c....it was the last sentence of the post...but i cant find it now...and i am awful at math...and sometimes i just see things wrong...so i guess i was mixed up.

so you take 1/4 tsp salt and 1/4 tsp c in a glass of water 3 times a day as maintenece?

nothing much happened to me with my 3 doses today. i feel pressure in left side of chest...i went and googled western medicine salt/health info and it was a bit scarey except knowing what mayo does to lyme patients i dont exactly trust them

my leg has continued to get wworse and i am really having a difficult time with mobility. for the first time since 94 i cant drive. i will need to call doc and interview some helpers tomorrow.

if you stop salt c a day and then go back the next day -is that a big deal?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ip,

You must have read it wrong because it's always equal amounts of salt to C. Drink extra water and it's important to do a warm water enema.Even better would be a colonic. Drink extra water.


Backed up fecal material and toxins could be the reason you are having trouble with motility and heaviness in your chest Sounds like you are loaded with parasites given that you had one come out of your nose and mouth.

Maybe just back down to two x a day until you can get a colonic or do an enema. You don't want to recirculate toxins. Important to get dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Through looking at some old threads in detoxing, I came across this study that shows that lemon verbena is a great anti-parasitic herb. I grow this! I look forward to making teas and adding it to salads and soups when I can harvest it again when the weather warms up!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22510908
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
day 5 salt c

gael-i dont think i am backed up at all...wont go into too much detail...but that isnt a problem...whenever i sense it is i do senna and that ends that. when i have had colonoscopies they always comment on "clean ness" and show me pics
im really not having trouble with the salt c at 1000 mg each 3 times a day...right off the bat so i think i will stay here for awhile. still seeing light amounts of the same two things

i didnt do anything this morning cuz have 2 or 3 helpers coming to day and that is exhausting to me and i am already in bad shape from the leg not working...no way i could do enama now cuz hands dont work either and recent problems with shoulders...its a lot to deal with

but its winter and so i am just looking at the down time as a chance to work on the parasites since i cant do anything else

thank god for po...and net...cuz now i cant drive.

now...can you tell me where the argument is that salt wont hurt you the way western medical docs say it will

i thought salt was blamed for making you retain water but the opposite is happeneing to me

i am obese and have had 3 stress echos on my heart -all neg - but am due for one and wont be able to do it cuz of leg...

i just want to be a little careful since my dad died of heart attack and i have had chest pains for 20 yrs. usually they are reflux or muscle.

after gettin a new neg stress echo every 3 yrs i just ignor sx...but reading the stats and the fact i havent been tested in awhile is a littl unnerving


i do believe all dr m and dr k say about high cholesterol not being that big an issue

after it quiets down today i will probably do some more doses...hope this doesnt mess me up. thx for all the help here
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ip, you may want to go super slow on the salt/c. I took 1/4 tsp just once every other day for months. On the opposite day I took DE. DE helped my arteries (no more chest pain). I have also had a history of heart issues (chest pains) for years (pretty sure they're lyme related).

The salt has slowly risen my blood pressure over the past several months at just 1/4 tsp once every other day. Only recently did I up it to twice a day, and stopped taking the DE because I felt I needed the salt more. Of course I herxed, so I brought it back down the next day, then worked back up to twice a day a couple of days later. Now it's good, and no chest pain.

I feel like it's better to go slow at this stuff, especially for people with heart issues.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Tammy, are you taking tumeric or curcurmin? I noticed my eyelid itches the more I take it. Maybe just a coincidence. I cut my dose back, and now my eyelid is fine (was very itchy before).
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
Hi, I love having this thread here! It's encouraging.

I had taken a break from parasite meds--I needed to get my herx symptoms under control so I'd be well enough to travel to the doctor, and then we changed abx so I wanted to wait until I could see how things were going. Now doing IM Claforan and a reduced dose of oral Tindamax, and seem to be doing pretty well.

So yesterday I started the ivermectin and pyrantel (PinX) again, and today see results! Also I feel pretty good and refreshed. I didn't back the dose down but picked up where I'd left it before, and am doing just fine--I think this means I AM reducing the parasite load. Can we call them psx? LOL.

In response to some thoughts here, personally I don't feel any empathy for my psx. They don't belong there, I want them dead and am pleased to see results. At the same time, I'm not creeped out but rather interested by the whole process. It's just biology. These critters have had millions of years to adapt to us. Fortunately, there are ways to get rid of them and regain our health!

I think fighting borellia and other tbd's would be more fun if you could SEE the critters. Like a video game, pew-pew-pew, take that!
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Lpkayak: it is the TYPE of salt.

Regular salt is bleached and processed - no good for you.

Sea salt- pink Himalayan or sea salt- completely different, and the basis for salt/C protocol.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I am at 1/4 tsp salt with matching C, 2x day. Have had some pain right underneath rib cage and some nausea, but so did my husband last night and our son threw up the night before, so not sure if related.

Stool was hard and dry so didn't see anything this AM (sorry if TMI). My right upper eyelid was twitching like crazy yesterday.

Can it take a long while to build up on these programs to where things are actually seen exiting?
 
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
 
What kind of vitamin C powder do you recommend? Do you just toss the vitamin C powder and salt into water and slug it down?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
CD57, whenever I had pain right underneath my right rib cage, I cut back my dosage (problem solved). Between the supplements/meds/herbs and salt, it's a lot for the body to deal with. Some days I don't even do salt C if my gall bladder hurts. That's my body's way of telling me that I'm doing too much and need to cut back.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ester C powder and sea salt in a big glass of water. Remember to drink more water on salt/c.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
If on salt/c its' important to balance out electrolytes. COCONUT WATER is high in potassium and other vit and minerals and is a good way to do that. Also antiparasitic and antifungal.

CD57,

It can take a while to build up sometimes, but go slow. Adding antiparasitic herbs can speed up the process and make the parasites run for cover. Your eye twitching is a very good sign that the salt is hitting the parasites.

If your stools are hard and dry, drink extra water and maybe add some coconut oil. Parasites hate coconut and it would lubricate things.

Ip,

sea salt is very close to our own body fluids. Table salt is devoid of minerals and has added chemicals. Very bad for the body. Google sea salt+ kidneys and also google sea salt health benefits.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
ty for all answers and info!

i ended up taking one dose after ppl left-im exhausted.

i have sea salt but not pink salt...hope that is ok

can anyone tell me what DE is like? how do you take it...what does it taste like? i know how it works and think that is really neat

thx
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
DE is a fine powder that you mix in water or juice. I take 1 Tblsp 2x day mixed in water.

It tastes a little chalky but not too bad.

Make sure you get food grade DE.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
CD57: Sounds like you need a colonic (or several). Since your stools are the way they are, the toxins/parasites/die-off are just staying with you.

When I had the colonic last week, I didn't pass alot of stool because my intestines were so dehydrated, they just soaked up alot of the water.
 
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
 
Is himalayan salt okay?

I already use coconut oil and also coconut cream for baking and making treats.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Himalayan salt is very good. Coconut water is from the young coconut and has different benefits than coconut oil.

www.coconutwater.com

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Catgirl - no I haven't been taking turmeric or curcumin. It's hard to say, but it sounds coincidental that your eye got better when you backed off. But who's to say....our bodies can react in strange ways.

I'm going to the allergist tomorrow. I haven't been in years. I actually had an appt last week and as soon as I walked in the door I was hit with a strong mold smell. I told them I could not stay (and also that I was very surprised that an allergist's office would have such a mold problem. Crazy, isn't it??!!). So I'm going to a different location tomorrow. Hoping to gain some answers.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i have been smelling mold all over the place as it warms up

ty for DE info...where do you get it...does the brand matter?

i have noticed something interesting.

i was on doxy 100 a day for an eye infect...long term-everyday. if i didnt take it i had all kinds of sx in my eyes

for the past 4 days of taking salt c i didnt take the doxy to simplyfy things. i noticed i never got the eye sx like i usually do. today when i didnt take the salt c ti 4pm...i DID get the eye sx

i think the salt c is killing whatever the doxy was killing in my eyes...and probably everywhere else

i dont know if that means salt c kills more than parasites or if it means i had parasites in my eyes

anyway...interesting

i'm still seeing stuff come out. not dramatic. but steady
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
What do we know about salt/C crossing the BBB etc?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I have tasted the salt in my tears, so I know it circulates through the body. It has also dried out my scalp lesions and helped clear my brain fog.

Don't know for sure, but since sea salt is close to our natural fluids, I think it can and does cross the bbb. Also google brain/gut connection.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
day 6 salt c

but probably wont take it til i see primary tomorrow and have bone scan to figure out mobility issues

i also have an mri of shoulder ordered-but cant get there

in reading last night about large worms i saw they can be seen on mri...but i dont know what kind of doc or mri person could read that

my doc says no chance of parasites without bloody diarhea-which i know is wrong-but if that is what a doc says...how do you get them to order mri for parasites?

they have been following lumps in me in chest area for 4 yrs with ct scan and ultrasound...the lumps are too small to biopsy and black and i feel them...but no one knows what they are so they just keep watching them

i wonder????
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
lp: even if they can be seen on MRI, would the technician or DR tell the patient they have worms?

When I had a colonic last week, the practitioner told me that her dad was a Dr. He told her that many times, when appendix are removed, the Dr's will find worms, but never tell the patient.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
IP,

I had MANY MRIs and cat scans over the years. The only thing the docs reported were retroperitoneal lymph nodes which looking back I am pretty sure were undiagnosed parasites.

Wish doctors would wake up and get with understanding the seriousness of a parasitic infestation.

I believe and have read that different Naturopathic Doctors attribute most degenerative disease to parasites. I am sure now that my cystic breasts dx when I was 16 were actually parasites.

lax mom,

How irresponsible of doctors to ignore this serious finding of worms when doing an appendectomy. Just can't get over it. This infection has literally ruined my life and am sure many others. [Frown]

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
P. S.

I had a long tapeworm and 20" worms in my colon along with other parasites. I will never understand how they missed these on an MRI. Either they can't see them, or they are in denial about what they are seeing.

Gael
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
Gael, I have done sc before but it was too hard for me, so I am restarting at 1/8 tsp a day. i have been feeling bad. Do u think I could be herxing at such a low dose? Maybe i am just having a few bad days.

I also saw some things that look exactly like the flat floss, I just wouldn't think it could work at such a low dose.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
gigimac,

Yes it can absolutely work at that dose! The proof is that you are already seeing parasites,

If you have a hyperinfection and there are parasites in the lower colon, the salt will make them exit. Glad to see you are back on salt/c.

Just stay at that dose and keep going. Don't increase it until you feel you can tolerate it. PACE NOT RACE is the theme for salt/c.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this up for Mitch50 to view
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I think it does hit the BBB. My head tingles whenever I take something that I know hits the BBB. Salt/C does this for me as well.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Just a question , can you actually see parasite eggs in the stool and how big are they ?

Can you get hundreds of them at a time almost like an egg sac?

It's strange cause I stopped humaworm about 1 week ago and I am still passing stuff, actually more now , is this normal?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
These things that I think are eggs are like tiny tomato seeds and are contained in orange sacks, any ideas what this is?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Google picture of parasite eggs and scroll down to the thread that says "Parasite Eggs After Liver Flush". Is this what you are seeing?

Might be a good idea to get back on the Humaworm Maya.

Gael
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
Does Bentonite clay help get rid of parasites, or does it just carry out the toxins?

How often per day should you take bentonite clay?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bentonite clay contains aluminum, so wouldn't be my first choce. It also can cause beneficial nutrients to be eliminated from the body. Constipation can also be a problem, so it should be taken with psyllium husk.

My preference would be antiparasitic herbs and salt/c to get rid of parasites. If herbs are difficult to take you can open the capsules, mix in applesauce and take with meals a little at a time.

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
This is a long thread & I read through most of it. I have a couple of comments...

Dirk - Yes, I think parasite hide out & cause us to think that they don't exist. I'm pretty good at dowsing & it always came up "no" for parasites until I did a liver flush & started seeing them. So - they can use "whatever means necessary" to hide out.

The culture just reiterates the "disgust" by having doctors & people think they don't exist in America & all the denial. I often wondered about why the doctors don't see the parasites when they remove people's gall bladders... Lax mom explained that one.

So many people get their gall bladders out - I bet alot of the cases are from parasites.

The other thing is - regular tea bags are very good for eye irratations. Just soak it in boiling water for a minute, let it cool down & apply it onto the eye. Goldenseal root is alos good. It's probably best to use the whole root & make a tea from it. Apply it with a cotton ball. They used to sell the whole root but you don't really see it much anymore. The powder may be irritating...

My question is how do parasites interact with the hormones? Anyone know? I think alot of my female problems have something to do with parasites in some form.

Pinworms can & do live in the vagina... I know it's gross but it does happen. I had years of "female problems"... I think alot of it had to do with some kind of parasite.

Also, I got a nebulizer & I have been using Magnascent iodine in it every so often. I think it's good against lungworm. I don't know if regular iodine is good - somen people say it's not good to nebulize potassium chloride or iodide...? Magnascent is nascent iodine so it's a little different in chemical composition.

One last thing - how about dental issues? I'm going to get a Waterpik. I read using Dakins solution (1 part chlorox to 20 parts water) can kill spirochetes. If we consider that spirochetes may have a parasite component - we may have them living in/below our gums.

Keep in mind that these bugs are very toxic. We have to use binders & whatever we can to get the toxins out quickly when they die-off.

GiGi has mentioned it a million times about the heavy metals in the parasites (not to get into the "warrior thing")... They are probably protecting us from it but when they die- it just gets mobilized. Charcoal & chlorella are probably very helpful...

Then, there's yeasts, etc. etc... These things can go in toxin cycles. I've seen it. Killing & detoxing have to go hand in hand.
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
Wow, what a thread! Very interesting read, here. Gael gives good suggestions (dare I say advice) uh-oh. Anyhow, it's good to see so many participating.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I tried humaworm once and got uti symptoms (die off?). If that happens to me again, what will help to kill the microbes (I am not on abx)? My doc gave me abx at the time, but I think it was more die off even though it felt just like a uti.

Will the charcoal or chlorella stop the die off symptoms (uti)?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Unsweetened cranberry juice from the Health Food Store

Goldenseal

Coconut Water

Vitamin C

Kefir

Warm Water Enemas to get the dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon.

Apply coconut oil to the perianal area

Drinking plenty of water is important also

Just some suggestions

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Catgirl - I think that heavy metals may be released when parasites die-off. This may be why some people are getting UTIs...(?) Metals can be exreted through the kidneys. Just a thought.

Maybe some of the homeopathic drainage remedies would help? Chlorella can't hurt, either - unless you are sensitive to it.

You may be sensitive to some of the herbs in Humaworm, too...? I thought they put too many herbs in it. You really just need the basic 3 - cloves, wormwood & green, black walnut hulls.
 
Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
 
catgirl, i had the same thing happen when i tried paranix. In my case,it wasn't a uti, i had it checked. llmd said it was symptoms of IC, and it took a week or so of dgl plus to get rid of it,i had stopped taking the paranix weeks before.

It's why i'm reluctant to try another another parasite treatment.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Another thought: perhaps the Humaworm/paranix hits bartonella which is known to irritiate bladder and cause "UTI" or "IC" type symptoms? It is probable that these herbs are somewhat broad spectrum and can hit other stuff besides intended target.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
One week after trying the children's dose of Humaworm, I was hospitalized with sepsis, from a stealth UTI...I also have Bart...I think you're on to something CD57.

I'm now on prescription anti-parasitics and tolerating them better than Humaworm.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
LAxmom, I remember that!

what RXes are you doing now, the Dr K protocol?
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
AHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! It's true! I have parasites!!!

This is day 5 of Humaworm- I'm only taking 1/2 a pill along with 1000mg C and 1/4 tsp salt daily.

Today, there was "evidence" and I can honestly say I never thought I'd be so excited to see parasites coming out of me. LOL. What a weird thing to celebrate!

I've felt slightly better energy wise- like 10% since starting Humaworm- and I will take that!

Next week I'll increase the dose...
Wow. This is nuts.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
CD57: for parasites, I'm on Pyrantel pamoate. I finished Biltricide on Sunday.

I did an epsom salt enema today and also saw "evidence".

I'm also weaning up on Valtrex for the bazillion stealth viruses I know have.

I'm on Nitrofuarantoin (from my Urologist) to prevent UTI's...and...I'm embarrassed to admit... that I crumbled a week before my 2nd round of anti-parasitics and went back on Bicillin [Frown]

(That last sentence has me feeling like a failure treatment-wise)
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
daynise

That's ALWAYS great news when someone sees these critters run for the hills. Keep going!

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
day 7 salt c

i was offline for a few days

no time to talk now...still seeing small amts of something...back later to read what you wrote
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Congrats daynise! Welcome to the club! Yes, it is a weird thing to celebrate. But its also rewarding to finally see visible proof of why you have been so sick. You are on your way to getting better! Stick with it. And stay on top of your detoxing.

laxmom - don't be so hard on yourself. We all try to make the best decisions we can for ourselves.
 
Posted by jackie81 (Member # 27031) on :
 
Just started reading this thread and was wondering if anyone could tell me WHAT the protocol is for treating parasites? where would one start?

When you talk about salt/c is there a page with a protocol you should follow?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
You can google "lymestrategies salt/c e book" for a downloadable e book and also visit the lymestrategies web site and group that follows salt/c. It is based on the web site www.lymephotos.com

The protocol has been revised by lymestrategies because taking sea salt instead of sodium chloride tablets proved to be a much gentler option. The slower ramp up method is also suggested.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
day 8 salt/c still ok-seeing small stuff...but not anxious to feel big stuff moving inside me again so am sticking to 2x a day and trying to figure out way to detox every other day

i have chlorella-but is old. do u think that would work? i am very interested in DE but need to order it
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
I have 2 more days of Pyrantel pamoate to go and just I want to quit. I skipped it last night [Frown]
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
does anyone notice the salt c makes you urinate a whole bunch? this is confusing me.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The salt and the C can act as stimulants incrreasing the need to urinate. Also can be from dieoff. Drink more water to make sure you are hydrated.

lax mom,

sorry you are having a rough time. Taking a break is sometimes needed if the herxing gets too rough. I hope you feel better. [group hug]

Gael
 
Posted by WPinVA (Member # 33581) on :
 
Hi all - hadn't been on Lymenet much this past week and came back to see this great thread!

I have been treating for about 18 months. I have positive tests for Lyme and Babesia Duncani and a clinical dx of Bartonella.

Last year, I recall seeing live "evidence" in stools (very thin stringy white worms which were moving - yuk), which is when I first thought I might have a parasite problem. My integrative PCP (who I see in conjunction with my Lyme doc) wanted me to do a stool test, and would you believe that it took me a full YEAR before I was able to do it?

The test didn't turn up any parasites - and I am aware that that doesn't mean that I don't have any - but it did show I have a huge yeast problem/inbalance of too much bad bacteria and no good.

I haven't seen anything "live" lately, but in collecting the samples I did see several stringy looking things, some of which were limp and others that were kind of stiff. I have no idea what those were, but I do consider it a good sign that they are at least dead.

So, as to what I'm on, and have been on. I'm on Daraprim (Pyreimethamine) for parasites, in addition to a lot of abx and herbs - Arteminisin, Bactrim, Flagyl, Rifampin, Cefdinir, Cryptolepis. Also Boluoke for biofilms.

According to my LLMD, Daraprim is an anti-parasitic. Has anyone else tried it?

Also, I think I've read that Art and Flagyl have anti-parasitic qualities? Would love to hear if these have helped anyone else with parasites.

I would like to add in some of the more traditional parasite remedies that many of you have posted about, but my integrative doc thinks I'm at my max now with everything I'm on.

So, for the time being, I'm slugging along with my current course, and I'm ok with that for the time being because I'm progressing.

I am curious though about enemas and colonics. Is there a web site or book with basic directions on how to do these?
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
My de-worming experience:

I was actually wanting to make sure all the borrelia was eradicated because some people told me my LLMD didn't treat me long enough (4.5 months) due to the fact my elbows still hurt. so I thought, okay, I'll hit the worms, too! All this was after I stopped ABX from LD.

The first time I used Salt-C, I started out on a dose that was too high.....something like 1-3 grams per dose 2 times a day. Sometimes it gave me a headache, then diarrhea. I only saw a few worms during the month I was on it and sometimes it was questionable. I drummed down the dose and was faithful to taking it daily over this period of time.

I ended up, about a month later, with extreme sleepiness, that 'blah' feeling, then got a case of the shingles!! Yikes! On top of it all, I got a mega yeast attack. It was because I didn't take enough pro-biotics. Anyone taking Salt-C should make sure they take enough!!!! ( Probiotics. )

Anyhow, this picture below was 4 days after I started Salt-C when I was taking that "overdose". I believe it's a worm. It was only about an inch and a half long, but weird looking, regardless.

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Then this photo was taken 8 days later:

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I do believe it is effective. I took Huma worm twice, faithfully, over the 30 day period advised,, but never saw this. I did, however, notice an increase in energy! A red bump appeared on my face, frequent breakouts, but overall, was cleansing. I noticed during the 2nd time I took the 30 day remedy, it made me constipated.

All in all, I say it's worth it to try a protocol until you find one that works for you.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
mine look like the second pic
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
WOW~ Great job TT. The pics you posted look like Ascaris roundworms, I hope you stay on the salt/c and get rid of the rest of these critters,

Keep in mind that they can lay 200,000 eggs a day so you need to be diligent even when you feel better.

If just one egg is left over, the cycle will start all over again. Taking extra cloves will help kill the eggs. Hanna Kroeger has clove caps that are very inexpensive.

Ip,

If you have this infection, this is probably what's making you feel so sick. I hope you keep going with the antiparasitics so you can begin your road to recovery.

Keep in mind it can take 3-6yrs to get rid of this kind of infection, so don't get discouraged. You will begin to feel better and better.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Lax, at least you've done some of the pyrantel (good for you)! I could not tolerate it. Did you do it with the iver or separate?
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
laxmom - I was thinking... have you been on Ivermectin yet? It's a great broad-spectrum med.

btw - I passed about a 10" worm this morning! I started treating back in May! How could some of these creatures still be alive after so many months of treatment??! I find it astonishing.

Maybe at some point I need to do a liver flush or a gallbladder flush. I want to make sure I am medically supervised to do this because if these organs are infested, I don't want it to put me into a tailspin.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Catgirl: I managed to do 11 days of the 14 day round of Pyrantel...can't take another day of that med.

No, I haven't taken Ivermectin...just Biltricide and Pyrantel.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Tammy, 10 inches! OMG! You've been working on parasites for a while now. I'm surprised they are still coming out. Maybe the big ones were hanging on? Is that the biggest one you've had?

Lax, I think it's wonderful you got 11 days down. I could barely take one. 11 days are great!
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
laxmom - 11 days is a big accomplishment! Maybe switch to herbals and salt/c to keep the killing, but it will probably be more tolerable to handle. You are on a good path. Hang in there.

Catgirl - I know! No, it is not the biggest I've had. I have as long as 16" (several of them), and I've had many in the 8-10" range. What freaks me out is that these are segments....which makes me wonder how long these suckers really are!!

My eyelids are still weird - I hope it's not parasite related. I want it to go away. Feeling ugly:( Oh yeah, and I chipped my front tooth as well....that's attractive.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I am dragging today (fighting the onset of a cold--a few sneezes). Plus, my lyme has reared its ugly head due to the onset of amalgam removal. Watch out, anyone who is planning on doing this (setback).

My NP wants to put me on Ivermectin and doxy. Has anyone done this with salt/c? I'm supposed to start bilt today, and forgot and accidentally drank salt C this am (habit, plus I thought it might help fight off the onset of a cold). Is salt/c okay with bilt (has anyone done this or have any suggestions)?

I wonder if I should wait to do all of this. But a full moon is here in two days. 2-3 days before a full moon has usually been my worst time with parasites (insomnia, etc). This is so confusing to me because my lyme is back, and my brain isn't as clear as it was.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Tammy, 16 inches?!!! O-M-G!

I told my NP that it felt like I had an alien in me (eyes got really big). I can't wait for the mass exodus you've had. :)
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Tammy,

Not to worry that you are still having worms exit. Actually, a good thing. Think of it this way. If you have had an abundance of worms in your colon (could be 30-50 as an example)

They all can't exit at one time. Some are just waiting there turn to come out. So, really not to worry.

Catgirl,

The full moon is when they procreate, so it's the best time to hit them. Probably not the Lyme that's back, it's mostly about parasites, and the more you get rid of, the clearer you will feel.

Remember the brain/gut connection and that's where these critters have made their home, so try not to let it confuse you.

The fog can come and go, and will eventually leave. Keep going everyone and stay focused on getting rid of what's been making you so sick.

P. S.

Tammy,

sorry about your chipped tooth. [Big Grin] I am sure you are still beautiful.

Gael
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Catgirl:


But a full moon is here in two days. 2-3 days before a full moon has usually been my worst time with parasites (insomnia, etc). This is so confusing to me because my lyme is back, and my brain isn't as clear as it was.

Woah- It's a full moon? No wonder I'm having issues!! I haven't slept for two days, seriously irritable, and feelings of paranoia/doom/dread.

Man, I need to start paying better attention to the moon cycles.

Just wanted to let you know I'm feeling it too! [group hug]

Also, read what Gael said about parasites procreating during full moon.

I am upping my Humaworm today!!!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Drink milk or eat icecream during full moon because the parasites love it and it keeps them in the digestive tract. That will make them more susceptible to eating the antiparasitics or salt/c.

Gael
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
oh oh oh my god. I just had an exodus of parasites. Passed a worm at least 10" long. Freaking out...wow.... [dizzy]
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Thanks Gael.

daynise - we're on the same page today! IMO if they are that large, that means you have likely had this infection a very long time, and likely have a lot of them. Keep at it. Stay on top of your detox support. That makes a huge difference.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Tammy-

I agree- it must be a well established infection- today is the first day I'm up to even a child's dose of Humaworm and I'm still only doing 1/4tsp salt/1000mg C!

Ahhh! I can't imagine what's going to happen when I go up to the adult dosage!!

And I bet anything this is what's causing me to lose so much sudden weight- 30lbs in 3 months!

Thank God I found this forum when I did! I never would have thought to treat parasites if I hadn't joined Lymenet.

Have you continued to see this kind of activity?

I forget- how long have you been doing Salt/C and parasite treatment?

I really want to feel happy that I'm seeing such "progress" but I'm totally freaking out.

Denise
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Denise, I totally understand that freaked out feeling. It is almost hard to believe what you are seeing. Yet it is also empowering. Now you finally have a weapon against these invaders.

I've been treating since May....that's 8 months. And I'm still expelling just about daily. I have found, though, that I do not expel if I do not continue with daily coffee enemas.

One of my docs seems to think that perhaps they are lodged in the gallbladder and/or liver, and that the coffee enemas must be stimulating those areas causing the parasites to expel. Makes sense to me.

I still haven't regained all of my weight. But I'm still infected.

It's great that you are seeing these results with such a low dose. You are on the right path!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
My NP thinks they are bound up in my body (including the ones that I already killed with some parasite meds). Coffee enemas didn't force them out though. :(
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Hi guys,

I never saw worms, only liver flukes...is that still a bad infection?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Given how sick you have been, I would say absolutely you have a bad infection. Other parasites and or worms may still be exiting down the road.

I would be totally surprised if they didn't. If I remember correctly, when my mass exodus started, it was liver flukes and other parasites that exited first.

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Catgirl - maybe try adding castor oil packs on your liver at bedtime. Then do coffee enemas in the mornings.

laxmom - I bet you will have a lot more to come. The fact that you have liver flukes makes me think you have some other bosom buddies hanging out as well. Keep us posted.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
gael-i do plan to keep on this but i was thinking i should do 2x a day every other day cuz i am having trouble taking care of myself now-i hope to figure that out and dont really think it is parasites

i have been tired, depressed...just slow the last two days also...sounds like many of us have.

im going thru so much right now i dont know what is doing what...

i would love to lose 30 pounds but wouldnt want to gain it back...

i want to detox...does chlorella do anything? i have some but it is past the date...do you think i should try it? i want to do DE but cant order stuff til after the first

im curious about this full moon-my first on salt c

oh yeah...and i do believe i will stay on this protocol FOREVER since eating ice cream is a must!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ip,

Every other day is fine if that's what you feel you can deal with. Uh, Don't over do the ice cream, milk might be a better choice. Still think you would benefit from some antiparasitic herbs.

Salt/c might not be enough for you. Also adding things like coconut oil or coconut water, and extra cloves would be a good idea. Kefir as well.

If you had worms exiting which you described and they were also exiting from your mouth and nose, you have a hypereinfection.

Check the symptom list at Humaworm and I am sure you will see most of the symptoms you are describing. Hope you feel better.

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Has anyone had success with Hulda Clark's Para-cleanse?

I need simple ingredients. I'm no longer open to RX anti-parasitics and I don't want to try Salt/C yet due to blood pressure.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tammy N.:
Yet it is also empowering. Now you finally have a weapon against these invaders.

You are totally right. Thanks for sharing your experience with me.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lax mom:
Has anyone had success with Hulda Clark's Para-cleanse?

I need simple ingredients. I'm no longer open to RX anti-parasitics and I don't want to try Salt/C yet due to blood pressure.

Lax Mom,

I haven't tried Para-cleanse, but Humaworm has been more gentle than Salt/C on my system. I haven't herxed or reacted poorly since starting it.

Don't know if you've already tried it though...
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
daynise: I tried a children's dose of Humaworm. It worked, but it made me very dizzy.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
laxmom - Hulda Clark is beyond knowledgeable. I'm sure you can trust her products. I'd give it a try. In fact, I might try it myself when I run out next.
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Ok. So it's full moon time.

I've been on:

salt/c, 3-6g a day for 2 months
diatomaceous earth, for 2 weeks
black walnut hulls, 4 days (up to 45 drops today)
artemesia annua, 500mg 2x for 4 days
cloves, off and on for 3 weeks
pumpkin seed, snacking for 2 weeks
raw garlic, 1 clove a day
random coconut water and coconut oil

thinking of making one of those shakes with coconut oil, lecithin and artemisia tomorrow

maybe even some oil of oregano for good measure

ate some coconut gelato tonight (i've been 99% dairy and refined sugar-free otherwise)

haven't seen any "evidence" yet

we'll see
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
the "ice cream was a joke" i drink skim milk and have cottage cheese sometimes

i was supposed to try dairy and a bunch of other stuff "free" beginning jan 1 but this all hit me and i cant do it yet...

i have some coconut oil...but its old...does it go bad?

i really need to go slow until i can walk...or find out why i cant walk

but all this celebrating about the full moon made me decide to take a salt c dose now...

also-i only had one from my mouth...and maybe i was wrong...maybe it was hair...

and for a long time i have had the seseme seed things coming out of my eyes and skin...

anyway...we'll see if the moon helps me tonight
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lpkayak:

i have some coconut oil...but its old...does it go bad?


Coconut oil stays good for a long time at room temperature. Years probably.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael and Tammy. :)
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
VV - you may want to try one of the tried and true herbal combos such as is found in Humaworm or Parastroy. From what I understand, it's particularly important to have Black Walnut Hull, Wormwood and Cloves. I noticed wormwood was missing on your list. You are taking great things, btw. But maybe a combo supplement intended to treat parasites may work better. Just a thought.

laxmom - Not all Rxs are the same. Just because Pyrantel was a challenge for you, doesn't mean you won't tolerate others better....such as Ivermectin. The good thing is there are options, thank God. I'm so grateful for that.
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Tammy,

Artemesia Annua is Wormwood [Wink]

I have parastroy sitting here, but I take almost everything that is in it separately. This way I can leave out stuff I don't like such as the psyllium and cascara sagrada.

I prefer fiber in the diet and magnesium citrate as a mover. I am still not sure why people take psyllium for constipation bc it gels to a tough consistency and looks like it can stop up the bowel.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Oooh....didn't realize Artemesia Annua is Wormwood....although it does sound familiar now....
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hey- thought I'd chime in- 1st full moon on salt/C- I've been releasing small parasite junk- really since I started it.

I do 1 Oxy powder w/ Triphala at night to keep the bowels moving and cleaned out.

I always have the full moon marked, and my appetite always increases few days before- I'm up to 3 doses of salt/C per day,

and my daytime fatigue is back- a bit depressed about it- trying to remain patient- I am definitely hitting another layer of Lyme I feel, too-

Tired of being tired, but I have to remember this all doesn't go away fast.

Keep on keepin' on.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
VV,

Artemesia Absinthium is the wormwood most used for Intestinal Parasites. Artemesia Annua is more of an antimalarial and are described as two different herbs.

Also best to take cloves more frequently as they are antagonists against the eggs and larva. Cloves are also antibacterial. Just want to see you take what's most effective against these invaders. [Smile]

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
surprise,

Sorry your fatigue is back, but is most likely from dieoff. You might want to consider adding some antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy or Humaworm and extra cloves. Hope you feel better soon.

The good news ia that getting rid of these parasites will help you recover much faster. Getting enough rest is a big part of healing. Feel better.

Gael
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
Has anyone on this thread used DEC? That is my next plan of attack. I saw a couple of threads in the past, but wonder if more people are using this now as people are becoming aware of parasites.

Also, does anyone notice a flare at a certain time of day. I have a flare at 2:00 pm never fails, same exact time. I searched 24 hour cycle and found one article on a 24 hour cycle with filaria.

Also, how many on here have eye symptoms? Very common with this type of parasite.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Haley:


Also, how many on here have eye symptoms? Very common with this type of parasite.

I do. I have floaters that obstruct about 1/3 of my vision. And my vision has gotten very bad. I can't drive at night at all anymore.

And I often get tonic pupil -not sure if that's neuro lyme or parasites though...
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I started bilt yestesrday and accidentally took salt c too. It's just habit for me to take it in the am. The right side of my back (more towards side) hurt a little last night. Then I blew it again and took salt c this am. I felt better lyme wise, but my side starting to have a minor pain. Does this mean I need abx?

I am supposed to start Iver tomorrow. I also have some doxy (have been holding off because I blew it and took the salt C).

Do you think I should take the doxy tonight with the bilt?
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Catgirl -- I didn't take any abx while on parasite treatment. I'm inclined to say skip it....that's what I would do. My goal is to rebuilt my gut and abx is contrary to that.

Having said that, I don't know everything about your situation. We are all different. You should probably discuss this further with your doc.

Haley -- Yes, I have a lot of floaters. But I can still see well (with glasses of course!). What's bothering me the most is inflamed, itchy, flaky eyelids. But my docs seem to think its probably from a tinted hair product I was using. It can take weeks to subside, so I am crossing my fingers it goes away.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey guys is anyone noticing a worsening of symptoms , especially depression with the full moon?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Maya,

Hi, are you currently doing salt/c or antiparasitics? Symptoms can worsen during a full moon because that's when parasites are most active.

Catgirl,

Have read on here in past posts that Ivermectin and doxy was a good combo. Supposedly doxy kills the baby filarial.

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Maya: I noticed my eyes are EXTREMELY twitchy. I too wonder if that has something to do with the full moon.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Tap water alert!!!!

I was searching for info on twitching and parasites. I ended up finding this page:

http://www.holistic-wellness-basics.com/parasite-diagnosis-questionnaire.html

It states that using unfiltered tap water, for colonics or ENEMAS, can be a source of parasites!!!

(A few weeks ago there was a thread about water sources for enemas)
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
I feel heavier in the chest. Think I am going to nebulize some potassium iodide.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Tammy and Gael. :) I don't think I was drinking enough water (my brain just isn't working like it used to). I vaguely remember someone telling me or posting that parasites hate doxy. I'm hoping this will force them out.

Tammy, I'm going to try the castor oil pack you suggested. I'm just curious though, has anyone ingested any castor oil? Someone told me it's supposed to help purge/clean the colon.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
day 10 salt c-i did take a dose last night with the full moon but really didnt see anything

having problems with daily living...skipped today cuz people around got me confused

after my test on tuesday i hope i get answers and a plan

i seem to get "heavy" in the chest too...more so soon after a dose

1. is chlorella a good detox? is it ok to use it when it is past the date?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Maya, I read a link today that said depression is a symptom of toxins released by parasites.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Really cat girl that's really interesting, since even after stopping humaworm about 1.5 wks ago I was still having mass exodus , got some liver flukes and what looke like parts of a huge tape worm and have been depressed more since then, wonder if it is from the heavy metals that have been released
 
Posted by Larae30 (Member # 35220) on :
 
I have been doing a variety of antiparasitic herbs and meds and have never seen any evidence... I have done: humaworn, tinctures, paragone, parastroy and a couple abx.

I am going to try biltricide next and hope to try ivermectin in the future.

Does one always see 'evidence' at some point, or is it best to just keep treating for a long time and wait and see? I feel like I'm wasting money?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Just wondering too, does ginger do anything to parasites?

And lax mom I am wondering how you are doing now?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Larae30

I did 6 mos of some very strong antiparasitics (took between 8-12 caps a day) and could feel things moving around, but it wasn't until I added salt/c that I experienced a mass exodus of parasites.

Keep going because the antiparasitics are also effective against other pathogens.

I would def add salt/c to the mix. It puts the parasites into osmotic shock(dehydrates them) and makes them let go.

Gael
 
Posted by Larae30 (Member # 35220) on :
 
Yeah I need to read more about salt/c, it honestly scares me for some reason.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Don't let it scare you. There is a HUGE difference between sea salt and table salt.

Sea salt is loaded with minerals while table salt is stripped of any minerals and has been processed with chemicals. Sea salt is very close to our own natural body fluids.

You can start at a VERY low dose like 1/8 to 1/4tsp each and see how you do. Sea salt and vitamin C also support the adrenals. Hope you give it a try.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
larae-i was scared for a long time and started a few weeks ago and it is much easier than i thought

gael gives good advice adn there are books written explaining it and sites

good luck

i am not doing much today...preparing for long time at hospital tomorrow for a test...hope to get answers and then get back on salt c
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Maya: I had to take a couple of days off of my RX's...it was all overloading my liver.

Unfortunately, my LLNP recommends I finish up the course of Pyrantel...so I will go back on it tonight.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
I so hate this roller coaster. [Frown]

I was feeling a little better yesterday, but woke up this morning drenched in sweat, 100 degree fever, and diarrhea all day.

Wonder if this is a herx from upping Humaworm? Although, even with a higher fever, I still don't feel as bad as I did when I had a kidney herx a couple weeks back from Salt/C.

Drinking peppermint tea, chicken broth, coconut milk, lemon water...

Anyone have other suggestions for dehydration?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Coconut water is best for dehydration because it contains high potassium needed to balance electrolytes. The sweats and diarrhea are most likely dieoff. This is actually a good sign that the herbs are working.

Hope you feel better.

Gael
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Thank you so much Gael!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
aww, your so welcome! Keep us posted and get some rest.

Gael
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
Does bragg's apple cider vinegar do anything for clearing parasites?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Not Really. ACV has some good health benefits, but as far as I know won't kill parasites. You need the antiparasitics and salt/c or pharma drugs to kill parasites.

Gael
 
Posted by sideways (Member # 34352) on :
 
I just read through a bit of the thread and I have a question.

Last summer, I noticed what looked like corn silks in my...waste. They weren't moving but they were about 3-4 inches long. I'm off all meds right now and just realized while reading this thread that I haven't seen them in months.I've been off abx since Oct.and haven't been doing well lately.

Could those have been parasites? I dug one out with a wood skewer one time and it was stringy amd fibrous. It didn't really look like something that had been alive. But now reading here and seeing pictures, I wonder...

Sorry for the tmi.
 
Posted by BBinme (Member # 34131) on :
 
Gael, what is the coconut oil good for? I happen to have some...thanx
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
sideways, Sounds like you are describing parasites. I would start some antiparasitics and or salt/c ASAP. Don't let this infection get any worse. These parasites lay eggs on a daily basis.

BBinme,

Coconut oil is antifungal, antibacterial, and antiparasitic. Coconut oil by itself is not enough to get rid of parasites. You need antiparasitic herbs or pharma antiparasitics.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dogmom and CD57, I don't know how I missed your posts! I'm such a zoner right now (getting amalgams out).

I suspect my issue (uti symptoms) was due to microbes being released as the humaworm killed some parasites. I'm now on doxy and ivermectin (just started). Doxy should take care of this.

[ 01-29-2013, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Gael,
Thanks for starting this thread - I haven't had time to read it all, as I am trying to manage my sick family. I posted separately about my son who has had tourettes for the past 4 months which has worsened over that time.

He had a HUGE increase in his violent tourettes talk on Saturday when we started up another parasite treatment (Caprasite) for him. He was unmanageable - hitting himself in the head and crying and screaming at people for no reason. I just realized - was that the time of the full moon? Perhaps that was why he had his worst herx ever from parasite treatment?! I know he has had them for years so I am convinced we have to do this continuously - the short courses of herbs or ivermectin help in the short term but don't get rid of the problem.

The tricky part is he also has a bad case of CMV/mono and is dizzy and fatigued and nauseous all of the time. Our EDS practitioner says he as autoimmune hepatitis from the mono/EBV. His skin does have a yellow tint. His lyme levels are very low right now so I don't think that is his issue.

He thankfully had a much better day on Sunday and an even better day yesterday. Today he woke up crying and saying he was too tired to walk, as his legs were wobbly. This weakness has been a symptom for the past 3 months. I think it's viral but who knows - it could be the parasites.

Have you all seen set backs with parasite treatment or do you see gradual improvement? I expect, like lyme, there are good days and bad, but I was so sad this morning when he feeling awful again. It is so discouraging. He is a bit better now but still can't go to school.

Also - I was wondering - for salt/C can you dissolve salt in juice and then take a capsule of Vitamin C? Do they have to be taken at the same time? I have been adding salt to my kids' lyme cocktail, which is made with vitamin C as part of it, so I figure that should work. They don't like the taste of the straight vitamin C/salt in water but I can get them to take the salt when it's mixed in with other things.

Thanks,

tickbattler
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Tick battler, where did your son get these parasites do you think?

I also remember you said that your family has been able to knock out bart with cumanda/samento, just wanted to say that's great. How long did that take you?
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
The worms come from food we eat but you can get flukes from a mosquito bite or tick bite. Dr. K said that if you have eaten at a restaurant, you have parasites!

I even took some deli ham from Whole Foods to my practitioner for testing because she says never to eat pork due to parasites....and it did have a type of worm larvae on it when she tested it. Haven't had pork since!!!!!

tickbattler
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I had a new symptom appear to me last night, which I have only had once or twice before. I suppose it can be any of the tick borne illnesses. It was nausea! Horrible, throw up nausea for about 15 minutes last night.

Could this be related to the salt/C or just another day in Lymeland?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
tick battler,

Taking the salt in juice and the c capsule should be fine. I feel so sad that your son is so sick. What is the dose of Caprasite you are giving him?

It may be that he can only tolerate granules of the caps. Same with salt/c. Less than 1/8 of a tsp. Seems like you may just have to tip toe into this with him. What do you think?

Gael
 
Posted by BBinme (Member # 34131) on :
 
Thanks Gael..
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Tick battler: if I may ask: how are you treating your sons PANS/ PANDAS?

I know you've said your child was on antibiotics, then went to herbals, Lyme infections gone?

Do you think the PANS is now due to parasites?

I don't talk about my daughter here, but we went through PANS- lots of treatments- no lasting remission-
Take care--
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
BBinme, Your very welcome.

CD57,

sorry you felt so bad and had that vomiting episode. It can be from dieoff.

I used to get very nauseaous at the beginning of treating parasites. Let things calm down and take a break and then resume tx.

How are you feeling?

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hi Gael- it was CD57 with the vomiting- which I hope has passed, and is not the dreaded flu!

I am having die off still- on salt/C 3x a day, and ACS silver spray 3x a day, and it's hitting.

I am very fatigued, needing sleep during the day, but have started exercising (slowly, low impact) again, which is odd, but good. Yes, I'm herxing, but differently than when I first started.

Treating adrenals, good supplements, all that-
Thank you :-)
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
surprise,

OOPS! Thanks for catching that. I will change it. Lyemstrategies, suggests when doing salt/c to take a break until the herx calms down. Maybe that would help some with your fatigue. Feel better!

Gael
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
surprise - my 6 year old daughter actually has it worse right now...tantrums every night and personality changes and anxiety and terrible behavior. It seems to come and go throughout the day and from day to day but she is never like her old self. Sometimes it takes me hours to get her to do simple things like a bath or her medicine, etc...this never used to happen - she was such an easy child. It breaks my heart every day.

I have an appointment with Dr. L*edited doctor's last name** in MD next week (waited 4 months to get in). I do not plan to do IVIG but want to learn more about the disease from her and learn about her treatments. I know many do long term abx but I do not want to do that again with my children. We have knocked out lyme every year with herbal treatment but then in the summer we all get reinfected by the mosquitos in our area (last year was the worst yet and we counted 8 reinfections in my daughter based on the EDS testing we had). This wreaked havoc on her immune system and she started having PANDAS/PANS symptoms in the fall. She still has a small amount of lyme based on testing but her symptoms now are more PANS. We are trying to move but waiting on my husband's work situation to figure out where to go.

I feel that parasite treatment for my son might be the answer to his PANS. He has already shown improvement in the tourettes with this treatment. We also have to get him over the mono, which I know can also cause PANS. I am hoping this will be the answer to his issues.

My daughter has not shown dramatic improvement on any one treatment so far but she still has a lot of viruses and parasites and bacteria (strep) so we are working on knocking them down. She does have a very high parasite load as well, including the water-bourne parasites from bad well water we all drank last year. We are all still struggling from that. Blastocystis, giardia, cryptosporidium and others have definitely caused bad behavior in all of my children but not to the level my daughter is exhibiting right now.

Who did you see for the PANS and what treatments did you do for your daugheter? Our practitioners think that once you knock out the infections, it should go away. I am hoping that is the case and I plan to do it with natural treatments if possible.

Gael - thanks for your help. My son is taking one caprasite pill in the am and one in the pm. He does get nauseous after it but is not herxing like he did the first day. He tends to herx very bad on the first day of most parasite meds. Normally very emotional.

tickbattler

[ 02-03-2013, 08:09 PM: Message edited by: faithful777 ]
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Tick battler - thank you for sharing--I am sending you and your children prayers and positive thoughts-

I don't want to take over the parasite thread with PANS- but we fought the fight for some years- we did 2 IVIG's, multiple antibiotics, herbs, etc.

I think you will be in excellent hands, get extremely good information with Dr. L.

PANS is how I found Lyme- through the mothers that are in the battle. God bless----
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Hi guys,

I saw a LLND who is putting me on Paragen along with staying on Salt/C and Humaworm.

Just wondering if anyone has ever taken Paragen before?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I am not familiar with it. Who makes it?
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
can someone tell me what kind of himalyan pink salt to get...xfine, fine, course...what is best? i brush teeth with it too and could cook with it. thx.

im taking a day to recover from bonescan...think i will start up again tomorrow
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
daynise,

Do you mean Paragone? By itself, I didn't find it that strong, but together with the added Humaworm and salt/c it should pack a punch. Let us know how you do with it.

Ip,

I usually buy the fine and use it on food and in cooking. Tastes great! Much better than table salt and much healthier.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
What do you use for the Vit. C? I have been taking Ester C but not sure if this will be okay to use as it has some extra antioxidants/bioflavanoids.

I will look again at E-Book but sometimes it is nice to hear what others are having better luck with.

I am all set with the pink Himalayan salt.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I use Ester C powder with bioflavinoids by American Health. Yours sounds like it will be fine. Is it in powder form?

Gael
 
Posted by Dove7 (Member # 39546) on :
 
Have any of you been diagnosed with mildew along with your parasites?

Went to the naturopathic doc that my LLMD recommended, and he said I have mildew that we need to clear up as well as the parasites.

LLMD pulled all abx for the last two weeks, then the sinus and tooth pain (and tenderness and swelling along one side of my face) arose again, so he put me back on cefdinir.

Are you, any of you, treating your Lyme and parasites simultaneously, or working on mainly the parasites first?

Gotta tell you the first time I saw evidence of flukes and worms, I felt like crying and laughing at the same time. I feel like a living science fiction exhibit right now.
 
Posted by Dove7 (Member # 39546) on :
 
Have any of you been diagnosed with mildew along with your parasites?

Went to the naturopathic doc that my LLMD recommended, and he said I have mildew that we need to clear up as well as the parasites.

LLMD pulled all abx for the last two weeks, then the sinus and tooth pain (and tenderness and swelling along one side of my face) arose again, so he put me back on cefdinir.

Are you, any of you, treating your Lyme and parasites simultaneously, or working on mainly the parasites first?

Gotta tell you the first time I saw evidence of flukes and worms, I felt like crying and laughing at the same time. I feel like a living science fiction exhibit right now.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Gael, my ester C is tablet form. I am still trying to figure out whether to order the empty gel caps to put the salt in - or to try and use the mixture method.

Dove, I never heard of mildew in the body. It must be similar to mold?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I use Ester C (powdered form). I take a lot of vitamin C during the day too (not the powdered).
 
Posted by Dove7 (Member # 39546) on :
 
After muscle testing me, doc said I have high levels of mildew. Yes, similar to mold spores.

Worked for decades Ina school that had/has mold problems. He said it's most likely that I picked it all up while there.
 
Posted by Dove7 (Member # 39546) on :
 
Do parasites tend to have cycles?

I've noticed that when I pass the most, I am sometimes "warned" by a migraine and a fever. Do they have 10, 20, or 30 day cycles of any sort?
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Paragen is made by Jernigan Nutriceuticals.

It's this stuff:
http://hansacenter.com/pdfs/Paragen.pdf

It came in the mail today...I'm scared to start all this stuff at once but the ND said to do it and let him know if anything reacts...

I saw my regular doctor again and I'm still losing weight too fast. I told her about parasites. She said it could be a well established parasitic infection causing weight loss but if I don't stabilize in another month then she advises that I take pharmaceuticals for parasites.

And they are still talking about cancer- now talking about bone cancer or leukemia!!- so I will have to have an MRI and possibly spinal tap if I'm still losing weight and spilling ketones in a month.

She wanted to do the MRI now, but I want to wait. Iknow it's parasites and lyme doing this to me! And my labs are mostly ok- it makes more sense that it'd be lyme/parasites than cancer! Lyme is the great imitator right?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Daynise, I've lost a lot of weight too. I am positive it is parasites as I have tons of food allergies. I personally would wait on the MRI and pass on a spinal tap. The last MRI I had done, I was told the metals in the dye would pass in my urine. Not.

Do you have any amalgam fillings? I won't do MRIs with dye anymore. Fillings have mercury in them which can prevent the body from detoxing metal if the mercury levels are elevated.

Of course they are going to throw out the C word. They don't have a clue about lyme and parasites. My ketones were high but my LLMD said it was due to fasting for the test (no worries). Follow your gut. I did and just blew my pcp off.

Thanks for posting about Paragen. Please let us know how well it works! [Smile]
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Catgirl:
Follow your gut. I did and just blew my pcp off.

LOL! Thanks for making me laugh. [Smile]

MRI's are so expensive and they never find anything. It's ALWAYS lyme. And I do not want to get a painful spinal tap done just because they don't have any clue why I'm losing weight...

Thanks for telling me about your weight loss/ketones. I'm sorry you had those symptoms, but it makes me feel better to think it probably is all parasites and I'm already on the right path with that!

No, I don't have amalgam fillings that I know of- those are the silver ones right?

Yes, I'll let you know how the Paragen does!
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
Has anyone tried freeze dried garlic/artemisinin suppositories? After a week now on them, today my lower abdominal hurts so bad I can hardly walk. No vomiting or anything just pain. It hurts to even sit on my butt, I have to lay on my side.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
I thought this was a really good article on understanding parasites:

http://optimumhealthvitamins.com/OptiBlog/tabid/105/entryid/128/Default.aspx#

Just wanted to share!
 
Posted by Winni (Member # 36772) on :
 
daynise, that was a great article, thanks for sharing.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Really good article Daynise. :)
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I have a question on the Salt C. When just starting out and using the mixture method, would I use 1/4 tsp of the Himalayan salt, dilute in warm water, then add 1/4 tsp Vit C powder and mix? Then take small sips throughout the day?

Does it matter when you take? (I know I should not have the Vit C near chlorella so will need to keep this away from when I take this before meals)

I have the E book, but would like to hear what worked best from those who have been doing this. Thank you!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dbpel,

I did exactly like you described above. Some folks sip it through the day, and others gulp it down. It's just a personal preference. Doesn't matter when you drink it. Keep us posted on how you do with it. Good Luck!

Gael
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
I would think if it is to work on the principle of "osmotic shock" then you would need to gulp down the doses of salt/c. Sipping it would dilute it.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I don't sip throughout the day, I mix 1/4 tsp. Himalayan pink salt (which = 1 gram, over little > 1 gram)

to 1+ gram buffered powder vitamin C, mix vigorously in 1/2 cup water, gulp down. That is 1 dose of salt/C to me-

Equal gram salt to equal gram vitamin C.

I'm up to 3x a day- (although I heap my salt)
it does not interfere with supplements or gut flora, so I space maybe an hour.

Just me-
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
VV,

Sipping it hasn't seemed to change the efficacy for me. When I first started salt/c 6yrs ago, I sipped it and on the second day, the parasites couldn't leave fast enough. They can't stand the salt as it floods the tissues. I don't think that it leaves the body that fast.

I am sure it hits them harder at first by gulping it, but it will still hit the parasites as it builds through the day. Kinda like the tortoise and the hare. The end result is the same.

Hope this makes sense. Some folks can't stand gulping it and therefore will shy away from the protocol. Better, to take it in the way it can be tolerated than not take it at all.

Gael
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
I had a lot parasites exit today, like a bunch and I wish I knew what they were.

They look like they have been shredded. They are about two inches long. On one end they end in a blunt square shape (I imagine it is the head) and it gets thinner and smaller to the other end and it gets all shredded and knotted together.

I wish I could describe it better. Does this sound like anything anyone has heard of or seen?
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
Tapeworm segments wouldn't be two inches long,right?
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
MSM prevents parasites from attaching:

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1709288
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
So, I was just thinking and realized the most parasites I noticed was at the beginning and end of doing a one month trial of mila, in other words a parasite exodus a month a part.

I wonder if I am having a cyclical exodus? perhaps after a full moon or something? Also I have seen different parasites during the month but the kind I saw in big numbers were the ones that came out a month a part, pretty much to the day.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks for posting about MSM Lymetoo.

Interesting info. gigimac, parasites do have a cycle. They procreate during a full moon as we know. Not sure why some exit at certain times. Maybe someone else knows. Hope everyone is having a good day so far.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Maybe they are on a similar type of breeding cycle that lyme is on (every four weeks). I think it could be different for different parasites too. Mine always seem to be worse a few days before the full moon.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Gael- I started getting a kind of heartburn feeling. I never get that kind of stuff. Do you think it could be from the vitamin C? I'm using a powdered ascorbic acid - kind of very plain, straight up vitamin C.

I've been at about 1/2 to 3/4 tsp of salt & C 1 to 2 times a day.

I haven't seen anything worm-like. Just feeling kind of crappy - achey in the joints... mostly, low energy/fatigue, insomnia.
 
Posted by TF (Member # 14183) on :
 
Plain vitamin C gives me terrible reflux right away.

I have books that talk about this effect. For example, "The Allergy Self-Help Book." Here is a website for you to view:

http://www.livestrong.com/article/262087-what-are-the-benefits-of-buffered-vitamin-c/
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks. I dowsed it & it said it was the salt, actually, that was having that effect...? I don't know. I was thinking of switching to Parastroy but that came up as "no".

I might be done with this for now...? I have some dental issues to deal with. I think I need to focus on that for the moment. I've been putting it off.

I think I have to deal with metals. I've been procrastinating about that one, too.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
sparkle,

I don't think the salt would give you heartburn because it is alkaline.

However, if you are not drinking enough water and taking plain vitamin C without it having a buffer, that could be a problem. I wouldn't give up on salt/c so fast right now.

What kind of salt are you taking? (capsules)? Mixing the sea salt and Ester C in water and drinking extra water sould not cause any heartburn.

Gael
 
Posted by MattH (Member # 30846) on :
 
Going hunting this weekend! Bought a brand new shiny bottle of Bio Pure Mimosa powder. I started back on 6 drops of MMS twice a day on Monday and have added lots of binders.

So we will see how it goes.

I stopped ABX on 26 Dec because of liver ezymes and am waiting for bicillin shots to arrive. I notice between the Zhang HH2 and the MMS my cough has not reappeared yet.

Can't do Salt and C till my blood pressure comes down.

All the Best, MattH
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Hi Gael-

Thanks. I'm taking the Himilian pink crystal salt. I'm mixing it in a little water & V8 juice (with the vit. C). I just drink it all down. I have been drinking alot of water but it's really hot & dry in here.

I usually get the heartburn thing in the AM when I first wake up. It's happened 2 days in a row now.

I usually take it about 20 minutes before eating. It happens in the AM upon waking up - so it's not right when I take it.

I've been getting a "yes" pretty consistantly for taking the salt/C via dowsing. I just don't want to make myself worse. Maybe I need to get the buffered C?

Could be not enough water - especially since it's really hot in here at night...

I was having some intestinal gurgling but I haven't noticed anything overt coming out of me. That doesn't really mean anything, though. Some pathogens are very small. Especially the filarial ones, lungworm, etc.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
sparkle,

I would def eliminate the V8 juice for now and see if the heartburn calms down. Also def get Ester C powder. Much easier on the stomach. It's very poss the combo of the V8 and non buffered C could be causing the heartburn.

Hope it calms down for you. Yeah, The gurgling could be stirring up the parasites. Maybe they will start exiting.

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
The V8 makes it possible to drink the stuff... yuck. It's like drinking sour sea water.

I'm taking the day off - I'll see how it goes tomorrow. I haven't ruled it out.

I spent alot of time purging parasites. I haven't seen anything big exit for a while. I think I might have some of the smaller ones. I had CFS & that was associated with hidden lungworm.
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Gael,

Salt is not alkaline, it is neutral in ph.

It does aid in the production of stomach acid however, through the chlorine molecule in NaCL.

Personally, I found this as a benefit as I am most often low in HCL and need a boost (which is very common in Lyme apparently).

Without a good amount of HCL it's harder to fend off invaders such as bacteria and parasites (not to mention break down food properly).
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Also - I don't think it's the V8 - I didn't have the problem until the next day when I woke up. It might be the lack of water...

I don't think it's a bad protocol. I just don't now what was giving me that problem. I almost never get acid stomach - no matter what I eat.

I think being acidic can have it's benefits. I don't think the aklaline diet is a good idea for everyone. It was mainly developed for cancer patients - I think. Most of us here don't have cancer. Our problems are different.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
VV,

Even though sea salt may show a neutral ph, and yes I have read that it stimulates the production of HCL which is good, but when it breaks down in the body to expel wastes, the minerals in sea salt that remain in the body are alkalizing. It would make sense since our blood serum has the same electrolyte composition as sea water.

sparkle,

I agree that being totally alkaine is not always the answer because in order to expel waste the G.I. tract should in fact be acidic. At least that's what my research has exposed.

I was just thinking that the combo of the non buffered C and tomato juice may have given you heartburn. It's possible it might not show up unil the next day.

Maybe finding a milder juice to drink with the salt could help. I guess you will have to experiment with what works for you. Feel better,

Gael
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Has anyone had burping as a symptom? If so, did salt/C help it? I had terrible burping after drinking bad well water and I think it was from blastocystis or giardia.

I was short of breath and very nauseous from the bad water as well. Has anyone had this symptom and if so, did salt/C help it?

My children are still battling the water borne parasites and my daughter now has a lot of burping and my son is extremely nauseous and short of breath.

What about stomach pain and nausea when treating parasites? Does anyone get that from the salt/C or parasite cleanses? I can tell that the caprasite (herbal parasite cleanse) is making him have abdominal pain and nausea.

Would love to hear if salt/C helped any of these symptoms or if you currently have these symptoms and attribute them to parasites.

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks Gael. I appreciate your advice.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome sparkle.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Just started the salt c this morning! [Smile] Started with just 1 gram of each. I am going to take it very slow in ramping up dosage. I will check my BP daily as well.

I have also ordered some DE. But in the meantime, am taking activated charcoal as a binder. It is challenging to time everything and also to take Vit C away from chlorella that I take 1/2 hour before meals.

For those of you who take DE, do any of you take this at bedtime? Just trying to figure out a way to add it into my regimen. My LLNP really wants me to keep on taking the activated charcoal to help with detox, but I need to take this 1 hour before or 3 hours after meds/supplements. It gets complicated!

Re: burping - whenever I have acid reflux, I burp more often. I think this is due to inflammation of the esophagus. If salt water is healing to the skin (as we know it usually is), I wonder if sea salt could also be healing to the lining of the esophagus.
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
Hey, I have a question about taking Humaworm. When I'm on the regular dosing recommendations of 2 caps 20 minutes before a meal, It does make me poop a lot of course. Just wondering though, I'm working an 8-5 job now and it's difficult, you know what I mean. Wondering if anyone has ever taken the humaworm for maintenance; say maybe, 2 caps a day not necessarily before a meal.

I'm thinking of starting to take 1 cap after a meal daily. I don't know.....I don't recall what the "maintenance" dose is. Input anyone?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I took my first dose of Alinia and malarone today. After the Alinia I had horrible intestinal pain/cramps and had to run to bathroom. Lots of mucous. Pain subsided after a couple of hours.

Die off or side effect?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Mucous is a big sign of a parasitic infection. The pain and cramping are listed as side affects from the Alinia.

The pains/cramps can also be dieoff as I have read those symptoms from folks taking antiparasitic herbs. Hope the Alinia and malarone helps you get rid of some parasites.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Ugh!

Another question: I had a surprising stool test result. The bacteriology report yielded klebsiella pneumonia as dysbiotic, and a hemolytic strep as imbalanced. Surprisingly, the yeast culture showed no dysbiotic bacteria and "very few" yeast overall.

I am taking GSE for the first part, as the test indicated the klebsiella was highly sensitive to it.

Does this mean I don't have "a candida problem"?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Gael, I am pretty sure that I remember you saying that you used to have bad tinnitus and head vibrating symptoms. It is probably too long ago for you to remember, but did the salt/c make these symptoms worse before they got better?

It is making me a bit concerned... because when you have a diagnosis of Meniere's Disease (which I do), you are instructed to reduce sodium intake as it is known to worsen symptoms. I noticed an increase in tinnitus and pressure in my ears both times I took the Salt C. This could be totally coincidental (as my symptoms fluctuate daily) - or it could be a result of the salt.

I want to give it a chance, but would feel better if some could chime in on how salt C protocol affected their tinnitus. My hope is that the flare in my tinnitus is temporary while the Salt/C helps to rid my head of toxins (and whatever else may be lurking there).
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Menieres Disease is idiopathic meaning it arises from an unknown cause. Conditions presenting themselves with Menieres can be syphillis (cousin to borrelia)MS, Hypo-hyper thyroidism, auto-immune disease to name a few.

Since you were dx with Lyme Disease, most likely that would be the cause as well as a possible parasitic infection.

When you get rid of the cause, the symptoms should disappear. My tinnitis was so bad, I could hear it above roaring city traffic.

It is completely gone after antiparasitic tx with salt/c and herbs,as is my severe asthma that I had for over 40 yrs. You can also check with lymestrategies and pose the same question there.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks, Gael. We think alike. I just posted on Lyme Strategies. I am very happy for you that you are doing so much better! It is amazing to think that you were plagued with these conditions for so long and they both reversed with Salt C.

That gives me the encouragement I was hoping to get. [Wink]
 
Posted by RZR (Member # 20953) on :
 
I thought my parasites were roundworms, but now thinking they could be tapeworms or maybe both.

Most are a little over 2 feet long. They look round with a large head, but if I put them in alcohol, they flatten.

I have seen one worm exit nearly every single day for the past 2-1/2 years....as long as I do coffee enemas.

I can't imagine where these huge creatures are inside my body. How can I still be alive??
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Hi everybody. We were away for a few days, and just got back last night. Just checking in to say hi.

RZR - we are on the same page, especially about the coffee enemas. I didn't pass much while I was away, but I know as soon as I restart my enemas today, they will start exiting again. You have been at it a lot longer than me. Wow....2 1/2 years!! So hard to believe you are still passing so many large ones. I'm 7 months into it and can't believe I still have so many. Mine also flatten/shrivel up in alcohol. Just think of how good we will feel when we finally get rid of these things!!!

Gael - I didn't realize you had such severe tinnitis. I have to share this story with a good friend of mine who suffers terribly with it (as part of his whole Lyme deal). When he started Rx parasite treatment last year, he had such severe reactions (he calls them 'brain explosions' that would keep him up all night), he backed away from treatment. I've encouraged him several times to restart slowly, but he hasn't done so yet.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
ok so i did salt c 10 days from jan 17-27. then stopped cuz of medical testing and i am back on today...after the 7 days off.

i looked and did not see anything when i was off. in a way i guess it was good..cuz what i had seen wasnt very dramatic...just a few little stringy things and the seseme seed things that come out of my skin.

oh-wait...they did keep coming out of my skin when i stopped. in fact they almost seemed to increase. maybe they die and it takes awhile for them to get out.

anyway-im back with you. havent read everything above cuz im supposed to be doing taxes. hope i have an exciting report tomorrow!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Just wanted to let people know that my blood pressure actually dropped on my last dr visit, and I was on salt/c. I did see an ART practitioner too though, so maybe that had something to do with it dropping.

I'm off salt/c because I'm on parasite meds right now. I tried taking it with the parasite meds, but my kidneys started to hurt, so I dropped the salt/c.

I feel so much better on doxy and iver! I'm sure the doxy is hitting the lyme that I stirred up with some dental work. No mass exodus of parasites yet, but I think it's probably due to my high metal levels. I'm not sure the bugs will let go until all the mercury is out of my body (I have high levels of other metals too). I'm pretty sure Dr. K is right, these things hold on for dear life.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Glad you are feeling better, Catgirl! I think sometimes we have to listen to our bodies. When you say your kidneys hurt, can you describe this?
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RZR:
I thought my parasites were roundworms, but now thinking they could be tapeworms or maybe both.

Most are a little over 2 feet long. They look round with a large head, but if I put them in alcohol, they flatten.

I have seen one worm exit nearly every single day for the past 2-1/2 years....as long as I do coffee enemas.

I can't imagine where these huge creatures are inside my body. How can I still be alive??

Amazing....
What a fright to see. I've never seen one that size & hardly seen any at all. I never had the mucous exit, either. Maybe I didn't or don't have a bad parasite infestation. I hope not!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hey Tammy,

Welcome back!. maybe your friend with bad tinnitis would be willing to try a very low dose (1/8tsp salt/c) to start) and a very low dose of maybe Humaworm childrens dose. He can open the Humaworm capsules in some applesauce and take it with meals through the day.

This way he has more control over the protocols and could make him feel safer and more willing to try again.

Catgirl,

that's great that the salt/c lowered your b/p. Let us know how you do with the combo of doxy and Iver.

Gael
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CD57:
Ugh!

Another question: I had a surprising stool test result. The bacteriology report yielded klebsiella pneumonia as dysbiotic, and a hemolytic strep as imbalanced. Surprisingly, the yeast culture showed no dysbiotic bacteria and "very few" yeast overall.

I am taking GSE for the first part, as the test indicated the klebsiella was highly sensitive to it.

Does this mean I don't have "a candida problem"?

I think yeast tests are not always accurate.

I don't know what you do to treat yeast specifically, but some of the recommendations for people with yeast- avoidance of sugar, simple carbohydrates, and focusing on gut balancing with probiotics and supplements- are also good guidelines to follow to help the system get rid of parasites and reduce lyme/co-infection symptoms!

I wish I had more info- I'm sorry I just saw that your post hadn't been answered and wanted to make sure it got seen. But I wouldn't necessarily rely on the stool test for yeast. Maybe considering the test + symptoms would give you a better idea?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Dbpei and Gael. [Smile]

Dbpei, it was the sides of my back that hurt (dull pain). I went off the stuff and the pain went away.

CD57, I've failed every yeast test I've taken, and I'm loaded with it. Tests are just tests, and IMO not very accurate. The stool tests only examine one small sample of your stool. They also have a preservative in them that messes with the test, causing a false reading. Everything I do to battle yeast helps, so I know I have it.

I saw your post about Alinia. Alinia gives me more yeast. Maybe that was the intestinal pain you had? I get abdominal/intestinal pain too with yeast (even off Alinia)--if I eat processed food. Maybe you can try upping your probiotics and see if that makes a difference. I always up my probiotics on Alinia. When I get abdominal pain, I clean up my diet, add LOTs of yeast fighters and it reduces the yeast to a minimal or livable level.
 
Posted by soccermama (Member # 35101) on :
 
What would people suggest in the way of herbals if you can't tolerate cascara sagrada? That ingredient is in both parastroy and humaworm.

Any suggestions would be helpful. Been thinking about salt/c...just a little apprehensive.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
If you go to Humaworm's website, you can see the herbs they use. The three main ones are wormwood, black walnut hull and cloves. You may want to try them and maybe some of the other herbs in very low doses.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Humaworm will custom blend the herbs for you and you can request that they leave out the cascara sagrada. Curious as to why you can't tolerate cascara sagrada?

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
The yeast might be from the die-off...? Yeast protects your body from mercury/metals - if I understand it correctly.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
glad to hear about lowered blood pressure

2nd day back on salt c-might have seen seseme things...not sure. very sleepy, a little dizzy-natious today. only taking it 2 times a day.
 
Posted by soccermama (Member # 35101) on :
 
Wow, Thanks Gael did not know that humaworm did that. My main symptom started with abdominal pain etc. so cascara sagrada is very hard on me. It causes alot of cramping with little results if you know what I mean.

I figured it was just another parasite symptom so I thought if I could get the burden down without using cascara initially, then I could add it.

I will find out the results of my stool sample at my LLMD's on Thursday. While I know that there are alot of negatives, I still think it can give other answers that will be helpful.

I have done several rounds of paragone in conjunction with humaworm's kids formula. I know that it will not completely get rid of the problem. I like paragone because it has bismuth citrate which has been shown to kill spirochetes in test tube.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
is 1/4 tsp salt 1 gram or 1.5 gram


if its 1.5 gram do i have to take 1500 c or is 1000 ok
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
IP,

1/4tsp salt equals 1.2 grams So 1,000 mg of C is fine. Drink a glass of water with it to circulate the salt/c.

soccermama,

Oh, okay. Let us know the results of your test.

Gael
 
Posted by canadianmama (Member # 36298) on :
 
After some waiting and debating I muscle tested my 12 year old against all his supplements today. As well I tested parasite herbs and salt/c.

He tested no to the herbs and YES to the salt/c so we went for it.

He took 1/8 tsp each salt and c. Drank it over the course of the morning.

At first he said he had a sharp headache, but it went away quickly.

He really hated the taste and asked if we could add stevia. Would that be okay? I made him drink it plain today, but he followed each swig with a sip of orange juice.

Other then the short sharp headache he hasn't reported anything.

I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for the support.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Adding some stevia or a little O J should be okay. He is such a little trooper. Give him a hug for me.

Hope the salt/c is beneficial for him. It will also add some good minerasls and support the adrenals. Keep us posted. Let him drink some extra water also. [group hug]

Gael
 
Posted by tmcm (Member # 23249) on :
 
Wife started her first dose of salt/C yesterday! Will keep everyone posted and I would recommend the lymestrategies book as well, it is very informative and it has protocol that seems easy to understand. We chose to go with putting the salt in gel caps and Vitamin C pills, migth be an option for those who have trouble with taste or GI upset.

This has been such a long hard road for us, I REALLY hope we see some success!
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Good luck to your wife, tmcm. Please keep us posted.

I just started Salt C 3 days ago. There are some strange things happening that are new. TMJ issues with bones rubbing in jaw and some knee and shin pain that I haven't had in a while (now gone). The salt might be causing some skin redness/blemishes on my face and some bloating.

I felt some bug crawling sensations in new spots too - my leg, temple and foot! Hope there are not parasites there, but if there are, hopefully salt saturated tissues will zap them dead. Other than that, am doing okay. Blood pressure still good.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Great to hear Tmcm! I feel better when I'm on salt/c. It kills stuff I can't even see. Wishing your wife success!

Right on Dbpei, the bugs are on the run! I get TMJ issues every full moon, but if I use anything for parasites, it helps lower the symptoms.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
tmcm -- wishing good success for your wife. We can relate to the long difficult struggle. I see how challenging all of this is for my husband, so my heart goes out to you. The fact that you are here on Lymenet shows how much you care.

God bless you and your wife.
 
Posted by canadianmama (Member # 36298) on :
 
Glad to hear people are having success!

Good luck to all those just starting this.

Question: I keep reading that people use enemas to get the dead parasites to exit.

Any other ideas?

Making my 12 year old boy do an enema may be just asking a little too much. He's been such a trouper I don't want to take things to a place where he feels unsafe, and putting things up his butt just might be that place!

Thanks for any thoughts.
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by canadianmama:


At first he said he had a sharp headache, but it went away quickly.

He really hated the taste and asked if we could add stevia. Would that be okay? I made him drink it plain today, but he followed each swig with a sip of orange juice.

Other then the short sharp headache he hasn't reported anything.

I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for the support.

I also had a headache like this after taking Salt C in larger doses right at first. And yes, it's sharp and not like a regular headache. Interesting.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Headaches can mean circulating toxins. Take binders (charcoal caps are good) & make sure the bowels are moving. Drink plenty of water, too.

I don't have any experience with childern. Maybe you can get him to eat some things with alot of fiber like bran muffins?

I took a couple days off from the salt/C since I had some heartburn type sensations. I took 1/2 tsp today so far. I drank it down & chased it with some grape juice rather than the V8. So far - I'm OK.

I've been taking the salt/C for about a month. One odd thing I've noticed is that my fingernails have been really thin & breaking. I'm not a big nail person - no polish, manicures, etc. Could this have anything to do with general mineral balance or the salt/C?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Believe it or not, the parasitic infection can invade the hands and fingernails and cause them to break and be brittle.

My hands had turned red from the knuckles on down and I had cuts in them.

When I started the herbs and salt/c, I had small parasites and infections come out from under my nails. A hyperinfection from parasites is far more invasive into the organs and tissues than we realize.

Given the fact that they are capable of laying hundreds of thousand of eggs a day, it would make sense.

Gael
 
Posted by lymetwister (Member # 19590) on :
 
Gael,

Nice thread going. Quick question for you. Not sure if you saw, but I just finished a 3 day coarse of Coartem (Antiparasitic), VERY STRONG ! Has 2 drugs in the one pill. The 2nd drug has a 3-6 day half life and I Herxed like the Devil from it.

My Poop stunk so bad, scared me out of the bathroom. I'm sure it was a true Herx as I had terrible Flu like stuff, exacerbation of all symptoms by a multiple of 10. I was 1 step away from the ER.

Started to come out of it, then my sweet daughter popped me a bag of Popcorn 2 nights ago. She likes to put extra salt on it, well she went overboard. I could barely eat it as the Salt was burning my tongue, not sure why that would be, but I kept on eating it.

So, it seemed to bring back on the Herx from, yes, tablesalt. I know this is not the way to do Salt/c protocol of all people, but I love popcorn. Would you think this is possible to Herx from Popcorn ?

I'm pretty sure I know your answer, but like to hear it anyway. I'll be doing another round of this Coartem when things settle down as I know it hit my Babs and whatever else is swimming around in my body/brain.

Best,

Gary
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
ok-back on the salt c for 3rd day (i think)

starteing to see the little stringy things

also-back spasms that feel like a big worm...i took a skelaxin...so maybe it is back spasms...but im hoping i am killing a worm

i have a lot of other medical stuff going on right now but this is easy and i am glad i am back on it
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hi Gary,

Sounds like the Coartem hit some bacteria and other pathogens from the way you are describing the odor from your BM. That would certainly be an indicator.

I just answered the question about the salted popcorn on your other post. Table salt has a more concentrated sodium chloride than sea salt.

I am sure the herx was from the salt you ate with the popcorn, Table salt as you already know should never be used with the salt/c protocol.

Feel Better,

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ip,

Thanks for the update. GREAT that you are seeing the stringy things coming out. They are worms, so just keep going.

You are a trooper!

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
im trying not to be nervous about the salt c but i am dealing with a bunch of new sx ... i cant say for sure they started with salt c... but they are scarey and its taking awhile to get explanations for them

i have different kinds of pain in my lower legs-some cramping but not typical charley horse cramping. one kind is in front of eg where tendons and ligament s attach. when this gets real bad it turns into a pain in the bone so sharp it feel slike my leg will snap and i cant hold weight.

then i also have all these spots of little charley horses in the shape of a circle about an inch in diameter on the backs of my lower legs...i am sitting so much now and i am heavy so i am wondering if this might be blood clots

then i have had soreness, pain, weakness, loss of range of motion in both shoulders-one worse than the other

i have also had headaches and i never have headaches

and a few times dizziness and nausea. and im more tired than normal and fall asleep during the day.

i just am not sure if i should be adding the salt c to the mix when i dont know what is going on

let me know your thoughts...
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
If you check the symptoms at Humaworm, you will see the symptoms you are describing exactly. www.humaworm.com

Also a good idea to drink coconut water to help balance electrolytes while on salt/c since it is high in potassium. Parasites are a B.TCH!!

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
lpkayak, do you have a home blood pressure monitor? That might give you some peace of mind to know that none of these symptoms are related to high BP. It sounds like you are zapping some pretty nasty bugs/parasites.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ip, I am no expert, but it sounds like maybe you stirred up the bugs (they don't like the environment or salt).

You may want to back down on your dosage. I have had so many people tell me to go slow and to focus on just one thing at a time, and do it slowly. I tend to try too much, as I want to attack parasites, metals, lyme, etc.

Whenever I feel bad, I know that's my clue to back down to whatever was comfortable before I started feeling badly (learned that while on Byron White herbs--this method works). After that, I increased ever so slowly.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ip,

Good advice from Catgirl. I agree with what she is saying about letting the symptoms/herx calm down and resume slowly thereafter.

Thanks Catgirl.

Gael
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
Gael: On Salt-C protocol, what is the mineral you are supposed to take that helps replenish 'something or other'. And also, when to take the probiotics, early morning, late at night?

I think that's what got me so bad was not getting the probiotics built up in my system while taking salt-c for a month. I think it's why I crashed, a month after stopping Salt-c, got a mega yeast infection, super sleepiness and shingles on my butt.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Potassium is the mineral I was referring to and it's in coconut water. Wouldn't suggest taking a potassium supplement because it's best to get it naturally. Coconut water is also antifungal. Extra cloves are important for killing eggs.

Shingles is also another sign that you still have parasites. Given the pictures you posted, you have to remain aggressive. these parasites lay 200,000 eggs a day.

The parasites are carrying yeast. mercury and bacteria in their coats, so you have to take antifungals and probiotics when doing any parasite killing. Coconut oil is also antifungal.

Antiparasitic herbs are a good adjunct to salt/c and are also antifungal. Chronic yeast is also on the symptom list for parasites. Why did you stop salt/c? It should be an ongoing protocol.

Gael
 
Posted by tmcm (Member # 23249) on :
 
Well didn't take long, 2 days, 2 doses and now 3 bad days of herxing for my wife. Terrible headache and gut pain day 1, buzzing all over and nasuea day 2 and now seizure like activity today. We stopped immediately once the herxing started and will restart once they subside but restart at 1/8 instead of 1/4 of salt/c

She did manage to take a clay bath for detox on the first day but bed ridden since. Unfortunaley none of this is easy...
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Aww, sorry your wife is having a rough herx. You might want to consider getting the salt/c e-book from lymestrategiies for guidance and what to expect.

You can also go the website for support. Some very nice, informative people in this group. Thanks for being such a supportive husband.

Hope your wife feels better soon.

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
tmcm - you may want to consider coffee enemas for your wife. They made a world of difference for me. I view it as one of my most important detox tools.

I hope she feels better soon.
 
Posted by canadianmama (Member # 36298) on :
 
tmcm, Sorry to hear your wife is having a hard time.

So here we are after three days of salt/c the anxiety started again last night.

Think we will give the dose today a skip.

Wondering if even 1/8 tsp of each is too much? He's only 83 pounds.

He also has a cold which is not helping things.

Didn't complain quite as much about stomach pain yesterday.

Any thought? thanks.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i didnt know about probiotics...i only took them when i took abx

will rethink it all after the storm...this is all hard on my brain

getting a blood pressure monitor is on my list
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
canadianmama,

Let the anxiety calm down fully until you start it again. You might want to just give it to him every other day. Hope your little guy feels better. Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
Gael: I stopped Salt-C because I thought it had done the job (that was in Feb-Mar 2011), then I got fired from my job in Apr 2011, which devastated me and I didn't want to do anything but grieve. I was terrible. I just never got back into it...I was feeling so good & still do, but have occasional colds, etc.

Got Pseudomonas bacteria in a cut last spring. Anyhow, I just do humaworm every now and then, salt-c makes me poop too much & I'm on a 8-5 job now...difficult.

I do still have joint issues, though, the ole' elbows & knees. The tendonitis I got from Lyme never completely went away and it comes & goes.
I thank God I feel as good as I do and can exercise, ride my horse, play with my grandson & go to Lyme rallies and yell my head off!!!
 
Posted by annxyzz (Member # 20404) on :
 
Gael,

How do you know cloves really kill parasite eggs ? Also , how much cloves should be taken and what kind ? Can you be specific ?

Is there anything else that kills the eggs ?
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i realized a lot of my problems were from taking cheap magnesium. i have some better stuff now and my magtab ordered.

still in a blizzard til tonight...but hope to get back on salt c tomorrow
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hulda Clark says that the only thing that kills the eggs is cloves. You can look it up and also google "what kills parasite eggs" As far as dosage goes, I take 6 a day and sometimes more.

Cloves must be taken with other herbs according to H C. I always start with minimal doses of whatever I take in the beginning and increase according to how I feel.

They are also antibacterial because they contain eugenol and I read are also effective against malaria. Everyone should do their own research and decide from that what dosage should be taken.

Gael
 
Posted by annxyzz (Member # 20404) on :
 
Thank you for your answer . I did google that with mixed results , so I was wondering if this is folklore or if there is any science that has verified it .

I have read about eugenol, but did not know about malaria . I appreciate your reply .
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Great thread and great to see you G !!
You have been steadfast and right in your advice to not ignore the parasites and better yet educating people that parasites do not come in one form and can be out of sight and on organs and blood and are a huge problem !
I am so grateful for you and to your wonderful and heartfelt and supportive and advice and experience and guidance
Blessings to you
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
OMG, springshowers, what a nice surprise to hear from you!! How have you been feeling? Haven't seen you on the board for a long time. I so hope you are doing well and living your life.

Thank you for all the kind heartfelt words.

Gael
 
Posted by Larae30 (Member # 35220) on :
 
you really think an all herbal regimen can eradicate all parasites w/o any rx's???
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I haven't been on here for a few days (blizzard, Nemo).

Tmcm, it may have been the clay bath that made things worse for your wife. I felt horrible after I had one (but great during). It made me feel bad for days (really stirs up the spirochetes). I was surprised that one little clay bath could do me in. I'm not taking anymore until all of my amalgams are out.
 
Posted by xrunnerx2012 (Member # 39306) on :
 
I am up to 8 grams of salt and vitamin c. Instead of spreading it out many times throughout the day, can I start taking 2 grams of salt and vitamin c at different times from now on? So instead of 10am, 12pm, 2pm, 3:30 pm, 5:30 pm, 7 pm, 9 pm, and 11pm I take it 10, 3, 7, 11? Thanks.

Also, has anyone who has had any head pressure notice any improvements?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
You can take it any way that works for you. 4 x a day the way you depicted sounds fine. Doing warm water enemas to get out the dead and dying toxins might help relieve some of the head pressure. Remember there is a brain/gut connection.

Drinking Coconut water is also a good idea to help balance electrolytes and replenish potassium and other minerals.

Gael
 
Posted by amydee (Member # 34832) on :
 
Thank you Gail for starting this thread. I have spent the whole weekend reading EVERY page.

Are any of you doing the Salt/C also taking antibiotics for Lyme and Co-infections?

Or do you recommend just hitting the parasites by themselves? It does seem doing both at one time would be pretty hard on the system.

I am seeing a new LLMD in a couple of weeks and am going to bring parasites up and specifically the salt/c protocol.

Has anyone had support from their LLMD's while addressing parasites?

I have ordred the book from Amazon and when I get it I will begin this protocol.

Everyone is so brave and I appreciate reading your stories! They give me the courage to go there. I knew I had to but just wasn't ready.

Also going to brave the colonic.

You go Parasite Warriors!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your very welcome annydee. Bringing this thread back up for StephenC to review.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I lost power for a few days with Nimo. What a storm this was! So many trees down - and about 2 feet of snow. Happy to be back!

I started Salt C about a week ago and had some questions...

1. My face is all chafed, bumpy and red. I normally have a smooth complexion. Wondering if this is an allergic reaction to Vit. C? Or the salt?

2. Do any of you that follow the Salt C protocol take DE? I just received mine in the mail. I took a half teaspoon in water with my activated charcoal yesterday 2 hours away from all meds and supplements. I want to gradually build up to 1 T. How and when do you take this?

I am up to 1 g of salt/c 5 x throughout the day. I will likely stay at this rate for a while. No improvement in my symptoms yet, but I know it may take a while.

The hardest thing for me is to have the faith that it will help my tinnitus and head buzzing. I am so afraid it will cause more hearing loss with all of the sodium.

No sign of parasites yet... I sprinkle a lot of cloves and cinnamon on my a.m. cereal. I have not tried to add the Hanna Kroeger wormwood complex into my regimen again. The last time I did, it made me very constipated. But I was also adjusting to getting off ABX at that time.

Any advice would be appreciated! [Wink]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Are you taking 1 gram of salt total, or are you saying you are taking 1 gram 5 x a day equal to 5 grams? What kind of salt are you using and what kind of C and how are you taking it?

Sorry for all the questions, but the symptoms on your face sound strange. especially the chafed part. Are you drinking enough water?

If you started with 5 grams, that may be too much so start with. Parastroy comes with para sweep so you shouldn't get constipated if you want to try another cleanse.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Hi Gael, I started with 1 g salt (pink Himalayan) and 1 g Vit C (Ester C) pill once a day. I mixed 1/4 tsp salt in a big glass of water and used this to swig down my Vit C pill.

I stayed at 1 gram for 2 days, 2 grams for 2 days, and then added 1 gram per day and just got up to 5 grams yesterday. I also started taking this mixture with my supplements and additional water due to timing issues. I drink TONS of water and herbal teas throughout the day.

I noticed that my facial complexion was becoming flushed a bit even before I started the Salt C. But it has worsened significantly since starting the Salt C. I don't seem to have any rashes anywhere else on my body.

Looking back on new supplements, I did start the following within the last month or so.

SLF Forte for liver support. Below are ingredients

Vitamin C (as ascorbyl palmitate) 36 mg,
Vitamin B6 (as pyridoxine HCl) 60 mg,
Vitamin B12 (as cyanocobalamin) 32 mcg,
Iodine (as potassium iodide) 200 mcg,
Magnesium (as magnesium aspartate) 80 mg,
Choline Bitartrate 400 mg,
L-Methionine 400 mg,
Black Radish Root 300 mg,
Dandelion Root Extract 4:1 300 mg,
Artichoke (Cynara Scolymus) 100 mg,
Celandine Aerial Parts Extract 100 mg,
Inositol 100 mg,
Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) 100 mg,
Turmeric (Curcuma longa)Rhizome Extract 100 mg, Beet Root Extract 25 mg.

I also started taking N Acetyl Cysteine and activated charcoal.

But I had been taking all of the above for at least 3 weeks before I noticed any new redness on my face. It definitely seems to have gotten worse over the last week.

Do you think I should stop the salt/c to see what happens?
 
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
 
I am going to the doctor in a couple of hours - I really hate this but I haven't had a check up in over 6 years.

I am going to ask him to check me for toxoplasmosis as it is the only thing I can think of that could be causing my eyes to be blood shot, light sensitive and generally irritated.

I treated with ivermectin for over two months until I couldn't tolerate the drug any longer but toxo requires a different drug. I don't know about the C/Salt remedy but I have both of those things and can give it a try if I run into a dead end.

Does anyone know of any other infection that affects the eyes and causes daily headaches? I have PR but these are my only remaining symptoms unless I mess up on the diet.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
db,

This is just my feeling on this and ultimately you have to decide on what to do. IMO, I think you're ramping up too fast on the salt/c. I would cut back to 1/2 that amount for the next week or so and ramp up slowly.

When I started going after parasites I stopped ALL supplements and just stayed on antiparasitics, and salt/c. The supplements you are taking could actually be overloading your liver.

And on top of that you are drinking herbal teas? "Keeping it simple" for now and just taking protocols that will kill the parasites might be best.

You can always add things back in. If your complexion was becoming red before the salt/c it could be from all of the supplements.

So, for now that's what I would do. Low dose salt/c, and adding antiparasitic herbs, coconut water, kefir and or probiotics. Ramp up the salt/c as tolerated.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Neff, I thought that ehrlichia could cause this?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks, Gael. The E Book is much more aggressive in recommendations for C and Salt - so I thought I was taking it slow.

But, I agree with you and I like your logic. I am going to look at all of my supplements and see which ones might be able to go right now. And I will cut down on the salt C to about 2 g/day.

Hoping this will help. I will keep you posted.
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
I love this thread. Just got all my supplies. Started this am. Cheers
 
Posted by amydee (Member # 34832) on :
 
Anyone doing salt/c and antibiotics at the same time????
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Nefferdun, headaches could be bart, light sensitivity--lyme.
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
I'm on antibiotics and just started salt/C today. That's ok right?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Many people take abx while doing salt/c. You can also check out the lymestrategies forum salt/c group and pose the same question.

Gael
 
Posted by amydee (Member # 34832) on :
 
Thanks for your replies.

Is lymestrategies forum a yahoo group or is it a facebook group?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
yahoo group. Just google lymestrategies
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
nefferdun,

Filarial worms and other parasites can cause eye infection. I have had bloodshot eyes and when I tx with salt/c and antiparasitic herbs, small parasites started to exit in the form of "grit" through the tear ducts.

Maybe consider salt/c along with antiparasitic herbs.

Gael
 
Posted by dogmom2 (Member # 23822) on :
 
Would just the salt of the salt/c protocol aid with getting rid of parasites?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Hi all, I had been on once/week Ivermectin and my twitching/fasciculations (happen a million times a minute, even my tongue!) were drastically reduced if not gone. Then they started to creep back and now they are fully back!

I didn't herx on Ivermectin, I don't herx on anything, just flare or improve (herx implies improvement follows). Now Ivermectin seems to be failing. Should I move it up to every other day?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Hi all, I had been on once/week Ivermectin and my twitching/fasciculations (happen a million times a minute, even my tongue!) were drastically reduced if not gone. Then they started to creep back and now they are fully back!

I didn't herx on Ivermectin, I don't herx on anything, just flare or improve for a little while, then go back to where I was (herx implies that improvement follows). Now Ivermectin seems to be failing at this once/week dose so it appears to have been suppressing something but not killing it.

Should I move it up to every other day?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Sounds to me like the parasites/worms are acting up and the Ivermectin dose you are on is not strong enough. Have you tried the combo of doxy and Ivermectin? Doxy is supposed to kill the baby worms. Or the salt/c antiparasitic herbal combo?

Herbs and salt/c would really be my first choice for killing both the adults and the babies along with extra cloves. Ivermectin does not kill the adults.

Either way, when dealing with a hyperinfection of parasites you have to be VERY diligent and not complacent. The eggs and larva will keep hatching and the cycle will start all over again.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I have taken it every day with no problems. I feel great on it. You can always try every other day as some other people have done.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
im back on but with only 1/8 tsp salt and i get a stabbing in my chest each time i take it-with c and much water. trying to ignor it...i think have eaten that much on food in the past. got my pink salt on sale today...
 
Posted by Tmcmhope (Member # 40048) on :
 
Hello- new to this awesome thread.
My husband tmcm has been posting on here the last week. Started salt/c last Monday.

Had two awesome days then hit a brick wall. Today I am recovered from the herx and starting tomorrow with the 1/8tsp dose of Hsalt with the C.

I was in a lot of pain, seizure like spells, trouble walking,tremors, numbing and tingling throughout body, nausea and brain pressure and pain. My lymph nodes under my arms were also throbbing. I pretty much slept in between spells, tremors and pain the last 48 hours and I finally felt recovered this afternoon. I think if possible sleep is important also to getting through a bad herx. I have a lot of symptoms from babesia, borrelliosis and bartonella and a lot of nuero/CNS symptoms, so my herxes are doozies. Hard on my family.

I have so much neuro involvement it seams any treatment or protocol I do hits me really hard. Does anyone else have this problem?

Gael- we have the book on the protocol. Good information. It talks about drinking clay along with the salt/c and 75% veggie diet. Working on the diet. But I am not ready to add the clay drink. I am going to stick to clay detox bath once a week.

Catgirl- I have considered the enemas, but these have always been very painful for me (I believe due to my IBS). I am considering diet of fruits, veggies, rice and I am drinking 100 ounces of water a day. I tried charcoal once before and had painful vomiting. Probably needed to get junk out, but not sure if this is ok for stomach etc.

I take VSL probiotics. They very much help. My doc said I also need nyastatin because it kills the yeast and then probiotics replenishes good bacteria. Especially while on abx. Curious if anyone else is using this combo for yeast protocol.

I am having a lot of problems with GERD, painful or I would add lemon water to my detox plan.

Hope all are doing well [Smile]
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Molly, I am sending a PM your way. [Smile]
 
Posted by Tmcmhope (Member # 40048) on :
 
Ps- thank you for all of the help! [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Tmcmhope,

Your welcome! As far as the Green clay goes, I didn't take any myself.

I did however add antiparasitic herbs, extra cloves, Super Digestaway by Soloray Plant enzymes and HCl. I also suggest drinking coconut water (anifungal, balances electrolytes)

Plain kefir is a good idea as well as the VSL probiotics you are on. I also took coconut oil which is antifungal. Welcome to the group!

P. S. I had SEVERE neuro Lyme with my LLMD finding a bullseye on my head.

It takes getting rid of the infections until the neuro symptoms clear up. The digestive enzymes and coconut oil/water helped a lot. Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i think i might have bought too much pink salt-xtra fine. does anyone in new england want some cheap? it is too heavy to mail...but i might be able to deliver. pm me.

still in 1/8 ... very very sleepy but i did shovel a lot of snow
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Welcome Tmcmhope!

Gael and Nefferdun, I had that weird grit in the corners of my eyes too (like tiny seeds)! These parasites are a trip.

Does anyone know what alinia hits?
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CD57:
Now Ivermectin seems to be failing. Should I move it up to every other day?

Hi CD57--You can certainly increase the ivermectin if you want to try that. I've been taking it every other day mostly. I also take albendazole with it.

Internationally, a combo of albendazole and ivermectin is used to treat many serious parasite infections. It's recommended by the WHO. As Gael mentioned in her post, the ivermectin probably doesn't hit all forms of the parasites so using it in combo with something makes sense.

Be careful with albendazole and start with low doses if you try it. It was very effective for me and I herxed bad.

Another good combo to try which might be a gentler step is to add pyrantel (PinX) in with the ivermectin. This was also effective for me!

Personally I do not rule out the salt/C route at all, and I am grateful to Gael and everyone for describing their experience with it. I just wanted to try the meds first--in the future the salt/C is my backup plan!
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I am also on Alinia and malarone.

I think this is bart! I have a stabbing icepick headache on one side and jaw pain, and last night the twitches turned into full blown seizures. I have always had trouble with not responding to ANYTHING which was why I was really hoping that parasites were the missing link. Last night my mouth started spasming, my teeth were clicking, my head jerked and legs, and the twitches turned into full blown fasciculations. SO SCARY. My LLMD has always said it was Lyme and bart!

I don't herx in the classic way and don't improve either. A med either makes me feel better, which doesn't last, or doesn't work at all. Has this happened to anyone else? what if I am a non-responder! I AM so scared that death is the only way out of this. My poor family.

Tammy/Gael anyone--please post about how you treated and with what before your discovery of parasites? I am having a hard time believing this is parasites but I am regressing so quickly.

[ 02-12-2013, 04:30 PM: Message edited by: CD57 ]
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
CD57 - I am so sorry for your struggle.

Before my discovery of parasites, I did several abx long-term....doxy, zith, rifampin throughout the years. I never really did combination therapy. In addition I did a lot of integrative things....Cat's Claw, Olive Leaf Extract, etc and tons of other supps.

Nothing could really get my buzzing, tingling, vibrations to stop until I finally started treating for parasites. I can't believe I am still so loaded with these things. I am committed to staying on this path.

It sounds like you may need to be doing more on a daily basis. See what you and your doc can come up with.

Hope you find your answers soon. Sending hugs your way.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
CD57 I'm so sorry you are regressing right now. I think you're on the right path with parasites. I'm sure all of us have them.

Some people just don't herx (been told this before by another LLMD). And not everyone gets better. I've been told that some people who don't herx do get better too.

I've gone up and down the past two years of treatment (better, worse). I felt really good last fall, then bam, the lyme started to come back after some stress.

Remember in Under Our Skin that Dr. Burrascano said he couldn't help some people? I suspect those people had a rather large imbalance of parasites. I'm no doc, but the twitching sounds like parasites.

Were you on iver, alinia and malarone last night? Do you think the combo may have had something to do with your seizures? Maybe what you experienced was due to your attack on parasites. Most of us have many co infections attacking us at once, so it's hard to tell. Hence, the long climb out of it. We are all different, so each one of us experiences something different altogether.

I know from looking at my treatment during the past two years that regressing all of a sudden didn't necessarily mean I was on the wrong track. It meant that something else was going on. Sometimes it took months for me to discover what was likely going on.

I have many co infections, and while fighting them, trying to get rid of heavy metals and parasites, all sorts of weird setbacks popped up for me. Last summer I started on parasites and felt better. Then I had a setback. Then better, then another setback. This is how it goes for many of us.

Hang in there CD57. I think you're on the right path. Just keep pushing forward. [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

I took abx for 4 yrs including 6 mos of IV Rocephin and 2 yrs of IVIG and was still very sick. The antiparasitics and salt/c saved my life, but I herxed like crazy. The difference was the parasites were exiting in the toilet!!

Given that you are on antiparasitics, the symptoms you are describing are a herx. You are responding to the drugs as they kill the parasites. Killing parasites can be difficult, so try and hang in.

It took me a long time to get rid of these parasites and I am still getting rid of some tiny ones. I am 97% better than I was six yrs ago. Have you seen any parasites exiting? Have you done any warm water enemas?

The other thing is, you might want to take a little break from the meds until the seizure activity and other symptoms calm down.

Sorry, I know this is so difficult, but we are here for you.

Gael
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
Is there a way to tell the difference between candida and parasites after they have exited?

Still trying to figure out what I have coming out.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Did anyone have these internal tremors/vibrations CONSTANTLY? Or head jerking/mouth snap?

Gael did you have ANY symptoms from neuro Lyme and bart or was everything parasites?

I have not seen anything exiting, no. I keep hoping to. Everything has been very hard and dry and compacted.

It's possible that this is from the meds I'm on....it's day 10 of them and only recently did I get to full dose of 3 Alinia per day with 3 malarone 2x day. I don't think the malarone is doing this, rather the Alinia as I can feel it cross the BBB.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Can you describe what it looks like gigi? There are pictures of parasites on line.

Gael
 
Posted by canadianmama (Member # 36298) on :
 
Hi All,

Jus wanted to check in.

My son (12) did three days of salt/c and started to have crazy anxiety, same as he got from antiparasitic herbs.

Took 2 days off salt/c

Now one day back on.

The good news is that his stomach pain has diminished dramatically, only coming on near the end of the day.

His anxiety is less, but again peaks at the end of the day.

Questions:

Thoughts on treating every other day, or two on one off?

Do parasites "act up" during certain times of day?

Don't know if any thing is exiting, he wont let me look. Too embarrassed.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Given what was exiting from my scalp eyes, nose and mouth, it was mostly about the parasites. (I know it sounds gross) but hey, these ticks are spitting out some pretty bad critters into our bloodstream)

Remember, Willy Burgdorfer found Adult Filarial worms in the ticks he dissected. This is what exited in the toilet for those newcomers that haven't seen this. www.lymephotos.com

I am convinced that Lyme disease is mostly parasitic in nature and that is why so many here are chronically ill. Given the fact that these parasites were exiting from my scalp, it would stand to reason that's what was causing my neuro symptoms.

It wasn't until I added the salt/c did I see anything exit. I think the combo of the salt/c and herbs are deadly to these parasites. I am just wondering if in your case the salt/c would make them exit.

P. S. I had Internal vibrations constantly and also head jerking and heard loud snapping sounds in my head.

Ten years ago, before antiparasitics, my head, chest, and pelvis went completely numb and my whole face turned a bright red. Just trying to give you a picture of what you're asking.

Hope this helps clarify.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
canadianmama,

If his anxiety is too bad, there is no reason why he can't do salt/c every other day. In fact, I would wait until the anxiety calms down completely before giving him another dose.

I would also really tell him how important it is for you to look in the toilet after he goes. Emphasize that it will let you know how much or how little salt/c to give him and it will help in his healing.


Not sure when the parasites act up except during a full moon. The anxiety could be from dieoff. Glad to hear things are calming down for him.

Gael
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
Gael, hon, I've got to ask about the parasites that exited from your scalp. What did they look like, how big were they? Did you actually see these repulsive things in your eyes?

I'm tough, I can take the truth.
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
Gael, I could post some pics from curezone that look very similar to what I have if that is ok?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Tricky,

GO FOR IT! Some of the ones I had looked like the colored thread looking ones on www.lymephotos.com I had green, red and eggshell blue ones come out of my scalp. This is like a Stephen King novel.
 
Posted by Tmcmhope (Member # 40048) on :
 
Hi CD57-

I am on my 16th month of severe neuro spells, my LD says they are seizures. This is in addition to the muscle weakness, internal buzzing/tremor/vibrations. The spells make my face jerk and i have trouble talking, my mouth clenches shut and my gait is very uncoordinated and I often fall if i try to walk. My breathing is also effected and i have felt popping in the side of my head as well.

I have had vibrations in my spine since I noticed the muscle weakness and brain fog that started in 2006. I was diagnosed with Lyme disease in nov 2009 and immediately started abx treatments.

I am now focusing on the babesia and parasites. I have had times that I felt like my brain was boiling and my body shakes from the inside out.

I also have the constant internal vibrations. Sometimes it includes my legs, feet, arms, hands, spine, face, jaw and back of head all at once. Recently the spells have been more violent- my body jerks and i have no control of my hands. I definitely have a high disease/parasite load in the brain/CNS and spine area and also my eyes. I often can't focus them- pulling and pain from behind. Sounds like you may as well.

I feel your pain!! It can be hard with the treatments because it effects our central nervous system. My hope is that those buggers are getting mad and moving out. [Smile]

Not sure if this is what you needed, but I know their are so many symptoms it is hard on all of us and its nice to know we aren't alone.

To fellow warriors: I had a rough first week, but I'm back on and some good news- I have tiny hard pin point bumps on my forehead and the sides of my face. I also have sores on my head, kinda blistery like, that are popping up. I'm hoping these are parasites leaving my head (and my brain for good!)


I pray that all get relief soon. My heart goes out to all.

[Wink]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Tmcm. The bumps you describe are most likely parasites. They can't stand the salt. It puts them into osmotic shock (dyhydrates them)and they can't get out fast enough.

You might want to consider adding some antiparasitic herbs such as Humaworm or Parastroy and doing some warm water enemas to release some of the dead and dying toxins.

Sorry you are so sick. Such a horrific disease, but with persistence you can get rid of it.

Gael
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
my husband is using DE - he recently got what looks like scratches on his back from fingernails. Sort of like gouged and then scabbing over.....

Is that from parasites? We can't think of anything that would have scratched him there. Its in the mid-back area on either side of the spine, on top of the band of muscle running down your back.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Yep parasites along with bacteria. I have gotten the same kind of scratches in the past. This is a VERY good sign that the DE is working and pushing the infection out.

These parasites have invaded the organs and tissues as well and can appear anywhere on the body as they are being pushed out of their comfort zone.

I had a fierce looking rash come out from under my breasts several yrs ago. I also had small red rashes appear on my stomach, chest and wrists. They would scab over and then eventually heal.

Gael
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
Yes! Then that means we are making progress!

The other thing is, he is doing foot bath detoxes. On the inside of his foot / ankle area, at the water line - he has small bumps that stand out more after the detox.

They also get a scab on them - mostly just pin head sized. Though he did have one bigger bump more on the top of the foot that he dug into to try getting something out of it. Wonder if that was a parasite of some sort?
 
Posted by Tmcmhope (Member # 40048) on :
 
Thanks Gael-

Good deal! thought that was probably the case.

Once I get a few days under my belt back on the salt/c I'll add the humaworm.

I'll look into enemas, I know it's inevitable, but they are so painful. No pain no gain tho right [Smile]

Sounds like you have been going through your own neuro battle. I was on IV drugs for two years, I feel your pain. Hope you are doing better
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Okay, As scary as this sounds, I have had a parasite come out of my toenail. That's not the weird part. It was toenail material and in the shape of the same parasite I had seen emerge from my skin.

I actually felt it pushing out and thought my toenail was expanding! I have also had the pinhead sizes and they resembled a cherry stem.

If you want to pick it(not always suggested) wait until it fully dries to a scab so you don't get an infection. Here's what I finally realized.

These suckers have disseminated from the top of the head to the bottom of the feet and everywhere in between. Some of them lay 200,000 eggs a day.

That's why it's important to take at least 6 extra cloves a day to kill the eggs and larva. If your hubby can stand some salt/c that would even be better.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
yes-be careful about infection. i have a lot of seseme thing seeds come out of my skin -way more when i am on salt/c...and when i feel them coming i want to dig them out and have to stop myself.

i got a really bad infection once from a mosquito bite-if you are out and about you have no idea about mrsa and other carriers. the carriers dont get sick but they leave the critters on door handle s in bathrooms etc...be careful when you break the skin-i almost died once...from a mosquito bite!
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
So does anyone think salt/c works for babs too? This is my 3rd day at 1/4 tsp only and I'm so short of breath I can hardly move, shaky and weak inside.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Just wanted to update-

I'm doing only Paragen now because of strong Neuro reactions I've been having.

My ND believes my neuro problems- tremors, overstimulation reactions, word slurring, etc. are all due to ammonia being released into my system by parasites and other infections.

Basically, I was already toxic before starting to treat parasites, and the extra toxins from die-off pushed my system over the edge.

I started taking Molybdenum for the ammonia and Neuro-Antitox II 4x a day. I cut out Salt/C and Humaworm for now until I am able to handle the full dose of Paragen without the neuro problems.

I am still seeing parasites DAILY. This is just amazing and never stops shocking me. My gut is slowly feeling better- I will be adding a different probiotic soon- but my diarrhea/constipation is much less severe.

Anyway, this has been really hard so far, but very worth it. And it makes me feel like I am winning to actually "see" the progress I am making as these invaders leave my body.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
jicd1

You could also be short of breath from lung worms. You are herxing!! STOP the salt/c until the herx calms down. A warm water enema could help the dying parasites exit.

Since you are so symptomatic, it would be a good idea to get the e-book from lymestrategies or order it from Amazon to help you get through this.

P. S. the salt/c and herbs also kills babs.

daynise,

That's GREAT that you see parasites exiting daily. You are on your way to better health now that you've uncovered the enemy! Feel better.

Gael
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
Thanks Gael. Lots of top of head pressure so I hope babs is dying.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
BTW I wanted to post that my bizarre twitching/seizure stuff the other night my LLMD said is a Lyme flare and RXed Augmentin with my malarone and Alinia.

I have quit the salt/C for now but was not getting much of a reaction at 1/4 tsp 2x day.....does that mean it's time to go up? I know some people didn't feel anything until the higher doses.

My stool has been very hard and dry with lots of mucous but I have not "seen" anything
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Manna Me, I wonder too if DE could be hitting bart? Bartonella is notorious for causing those types of rashy things....anyone heard of DE actually killing bacteria vs parasites? Bacteria don't have that exoskeleton thing (I don't think) the way parasites do....
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Didn't you start to experience seizure activity and twitching after you started salt/c? FYI, The parasites are carrying bacteria, fungus, yeast, and mercury in their coats and is released when they start dying.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Nope, Gael, I stopped the salt/C when I started malarone and ALinia on Feb 1. Haven't used it since then, was getting ready to add it back in.

Oh, and I upped my ivermectin from once / week to every other day.....undoubtedly a connection with this anti-parasitical combo of Ivermectin/malarone/Alinia! Light bulb moment. By the way, the next night (last night) I had one of the best nights and mornings I had had in a LONG TIME!
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
Just started reading this thread regarding parasites. I am exposed to parasites daily as I am a dog trainer and visit the local dog park where there are a lot of parasits.

I don't want to do salt/c - but, I'd like to treat for parasites for a while. So, Humaworm is best? How about wormwood? I can easily get wormwood. What about Congaplex?

Do you think taking wormwood would be enough?

any feedback would be so appreciated.

After 4 years of abx, I feel very scared about what that did to my system and want to make sure things get back to normal.

Thanks!

215 tick bites? where to heck do you live??? I'm so sorry!
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Humaworm is great product, also Parastroy. Whatever you choose, be sure that it at least contains the three most important ingredients....black walnut hull, wormwood and cloves.

Just curious, why don't you want to add salt/c. IMO, anti-parasitic herbs are not enough on their own. I think its the combo of salt/c and the herbs that gives the parasites the one-two punch they need. I also find prescription meds to be very effective.

I know Gael did anti-parasitic herbs for 6 months and had no results at all. Once she started adding salt/c, they began exiting daily.
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
Hi Tammy - I guess because it's dangerous to do the salt/c, right? Ughhh...if you don't mind sharing how to get started with salt c, I would appreciate it!

TMI: how do you know you're passing parasites? what do you see??
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Hi supergirl - I don't think the salt/c is dangerous at all. I think it is good for the body because of all the minerals that are in sea salt.

To start you just take 1/4 tsp of sea salt and 1/4 tsp of powdered Vitamin C (buffered so it won't upset your stomach) in a full glass of water. You can even start with just 1/8 tsp if you feel more comfortable with that. Take morning and night before meals.

I stayed at the 1/4 tsp amount for many months because I was getting results. In the last month or so, I bumped up to 1/2 tsp just because I thought it was a good idea. At some point I will continue to increase, but I don't seem to need to for now.

Oh, and how do I know I'm passing parasites? Because I see them daily in the toilet bowl. Long disgusting worms. Two days ago I passed another 16" one. I've been treating for about 8 months..... I cannot believe I still have these things inside of me. I have passed hundreds so far. I still find it baffling at times.

The other thing for me is, I find it's necessary to do coffee enemas daily. If I don't do the enema, I don't pass parasites the following morning. It seems my body needs it in order to flush them out.

I can't recommend it strongly enough.... without a doubt, I think you should strongly consider treating for parasites in an aggressive, consistent, long-term manner.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
supergirl,

FYI, It's TABLE SALT that's bad for you NOT SEA SALT. Sea salt contains vital minerals and is very close to our own blood chemistry.

Google sea salt health benefits. If you are going to do salt/c it's best to get the e-book from lymestrategies or order it from Amazon.

Yes you can actually see the parasites when they exit. Like Tammy said, the combo of the salt/c and antiparasitic herbs packs a greater punch.

Gael
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
Gael, why do you say warm water enemas and other's say coffee enemas are best?

Also what time of day is best to do the enema because in the morning I don't have a problem going to the bathroom. As soon as I'm out of bed things start moving if you know what I mean.

Should I still do the enema's?
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
OMG! I will just freakin die if I see long worms in the toilet! holy cow! I just can't read another book, honestly. But, if I can do the regimine like you are saying and see results, then I'll give it a try.

How long after you began the treatments did you see the worms? Did they show up at once?

Ughh...can someone explain in kindergarten terms the coffee enema regimine? Is it risky at all?

Thank you so much! I am off abx and do not wanna go back on! 4 years is enough -

thank you!!
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
p.s. I'm single and hoping to date again! lol how in the world will I ever get a date with all this disgusting stuff going on in the toilet!

yikes!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
jicd1

Just a personal preference I guess. For some coffee enemas work great, and for others they may be too stimulating. The enemas are good when you are feeling toxic.

If you are not having that problem right now and things are moving out, then fine. You will know when you need to release more.


Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
jlcd1 - I think it's best to do the enemas AFTER your morning bowel movement. It's amazing how much stuff comes out that you may otherwise be holding onto for the whole day. I think it takes a huge toxic burden off of ourselves.

As far as coffee enemas vs. warm water enemas. They both have great benefits. If you want to learn more about the higher benefits of coffee enemas, just google 'coffee enemas gerson therapy' and a lot of websites will pop up. Read a few of the articles and you will see how amazing this therapy is.

Supergirl - The regimen is really that simple. Honestly.

How soon after starting treatment did I see parasites exit? Day 2. (I began with pharmaceuticals. But after rotating several meds within about 12 weeks, I experienced a lot of hair loss so I switched gears to the herbals and salt/c and continued to have the same daily results.)
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
oh, boy! goodness gracious
I guess I'll start this next week.
I'll let ya'll know what I find!
thank you for sharing all of your experience -
I really appreciate it!
i've done anti worming pharmceuticals and never saw any worms in the toilet! but, maybe I will with this.
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
okay, last question: what is the least expensive way to get humaworm?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The only way to get humaworm is through their website. Parastroy is cheaper and IMO stronger. You can buy it at vitacost.

Parasites have to be treated until symptom free and then maintenance. You can also order Real Salt sea salt and Ester C powder with bioflavinoids by American Health from vitacost.

Gael
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
thanks Gael! Is Baron White A-L complex the same thing? Cuz I'm already taking that!
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i think i just read somewhere that aloe vera kills parasites. do you know anything about this gael?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I read that also. I use Aloe Juice/Gel to mix my herbs after I open them and mix in applesauce. I also read that it can lower blood pressure and is anti-inflammatory.

Has many health benefits. There is a list of foods that are antiparasitic such as

papaya,

garlic

pomegranite,

pineapple,

pumpkin seeds to name a few.

There is a book called "The Cure Is In The Cupboard"

supergirl,

what are the ingredients in the complex you are taking?

Gael
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
dbpei: honey, you must have been looking at a different Byron White formula! Here are the ingredients of A-L right from their website:

garlic, horseradish,onion,clove, artemesia,ginger,usnea,astragalus,black walnut hull, lemon peel, sasparilla,banana peel, gardenia, coptis

yes, this formula does sound potent! I think I'll stick with this and add salt/c and see if I feel anything different!

thanks everyone for the feedback!

dbpei: you might want to remove your post listing those ingredients - those are for something else!
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
supergirl - it looks like those ingredients are more targeted for Bb and not specifically for parasites. Its missing the wormwood and cloves. Although it looks like a great product, my vote would be to go for something formulated especially for parasites.

Let's see what Gael says.
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
it does have clove and artemisia!
but, thanks for the feedback
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
supergirl, I DID get these from the Byron White website when I was taking this 6 months ago! [loco] At the time, there were only Latin botanical names listed for the ingredients. I converted using Herbal Source Book and google.

Looks like there were some problems with the conversions... Thanks for the correction. I will delete my post.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Hello All;

Gonna jump in here for a question..

I posted on the main medical forum but got no answer so hoping the Parasite experts can help!!!!

I got my results back from Metametrix and I tested positive for some Protozoa parasite. It did not say which one???? So I am wanting to know how do you determine which one you have and what is the tx?

I sent the results to Dr. H. so I am waiting for his call. I am already on Byron White A-P and starting A-FNG...

Which parasites are Protozoas? Thanks!! DW
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
supergirl - duh on my part! My eyes didn't see it. haha.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
is the salt c book by M. Fett?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
desertwind,

Examples of protozoa parasites are Giardi and cryptosperidium. There is a good chance that you are infected with other parasites such as roundworms even if the test don't show it.The tx for parasites are antiparasitic pharma drugs or antiparasitic herbs.

The Byron White should help, and adding salt/c would also be very beneficial as it helps pack an extra punch.

Ip,

Yes Marc Fett wrote the salt/c book and also owns lymestrategies.

Gael
 
Posted by Life+Lyme (Member # 33568) on :
 
How affective is Byron White A-P? Has anyone had good results with it? That's all my LLMD will let me do right now.
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
Well, I'll chime in here since we are talking about such nourishing things! [Big Grin]

Salt C: had a laxative effect on me. But I started out WAY too high at first. I itched a lot the month I was taking it. My face broke out with acne, too.

Black Walnut Wormwood Complex: Ugh, this stuff always made my scalp itch & get oily, as well as my face. I am allergic to the walnut pollen (verified with allergy tests). It constipated me to no end and caused shortness of breath.

Humaworm: had the least side effects for me, though I did experience the usual face acne breakout, especially on the nose and around the chin/mouth area. I took it faithfully for 30 days on , 30 days off, then 30 days on again.

Oxypowder: Not a parasite killer, but it is a colon cleanse. It works excellent!! I was very pleased with it, no cramping but man, oh man, it cleans you out!! Colon blow!

I'm working full time again so I find it difficult to break away to the toilet during my work day. So I'm holding off.
 
Posted by supergirl (Member # 26936) on :
 
lol Tammy
and lol Tricky Tickey!

think I'll try the salt/c and restart the Baron White A-L - give that a try and see if I get any good results in the toile! woo hoo!
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Does anyone here regularly use food grade DE (diatomaceous earth)? When starting Salt C, I began using this a week ago. I mix 1 tsp in a glass of water mid-morning away from any meds/supplements and then chase it with some more water.

I thought I remembered reading about this being a good parasite killer. I was scared to use it at first - but I like the results. I think it is helping me to get rid of some of the toxins in my body.

I even made a mud mask with it and used it to try and help my recent rosacea flare. It was very soothing and I think my skin looks better!

Re: previous discussion on cloves... I remember my grandmother chewing on whole cloves throughout the day. I wonder if people knew about its capabilities way back then.
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
My husband has been using DE for a little while now.

He recently started getting what look like scratches on his back. Gael says that could be parasites coming out.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Yes, DE is good for killing parasites, and it is also a good binder for toxins.

I'm trying to figure out why my eyelids are itchy/reactive so I stopped anti-parasitic herbs and instead started using DE just this week. And I am getting results....not quite as good as with the herbs, but then again I am on a fairly low starting dose (about 1/2 tsp am and pm). I am also still doing salt/c.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by gigimac:
Is there a way to tell the difference between candida and parasites after they have exited?

Still trying to figure out what I have coming out.

When I had a colonic, the practitioner said she saw yeast.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
During this last round of anti-parasitics, I also had weird scratches on the top of my hand. The skin was broken.

I never had rashes before.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I like DE and salt C. I did them on different days because the DE seemed to be hard on my gallbladder. I also lowered the dosage of DE and it helped. I think this is a mild way to kill some parasites. And I think I'm going back to it. I feel better on low doses of salt C. I'm just on doxy right now, so I'm hoping I can do both.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
where are people getting the food grade DE, and how much are you taking?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I have been taking Ivermectin every other day since last week, 3 malarone 2x day, 1 ALlinia 3x/day, and some Buhner herbs. I added low dose saltC back in last night.

The past week or so, twitching and fasciculations have gotten much worse, and last all day, with strong internal vibrations running down my arms and legs. My head and tongue are jerking very faintly. Face and lips are numby feeling with purpley looking hands. I also feel racy and have deep vascular bruising on bones and tendons. Neck is a little tight, pain behind eyes, crown, and a little bit occipital. Big time insomnia last night. LLMD said to add in Augmentin for a Lyme flare. Dunno if he is right.

In past I always associated this with disease progression since I haven't had much luck with orals. Could he be right and this is a Lyme flare or perhaps a buildup of the antiparasitics? He is not very available to ask any of these questions.

Thanks!
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
CD - it's all just so hard to tell what is causing what. Do you have access to a good ART practitioner? I think ART is an invaluable tool with our complicated cases.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
CD it sounds like you are doing a lot all at once. I also struggle with wondering if worsening of symptoms are herxing or progression of the illness. That is one of the many things that makes this disease so challenging.

Yesterday was such a good day for me. Only to be followed by a horrendous day today. It feels like my brain is inflamed and there are parasites crawling or perhaps heavy metals moving around in my head. I had to work today and there is no way I can explain this to anybody there. When they ask how I am, I just say "I had a good day yesterday - today is not so good".

I never would have dreamed a few years ago that I would even consider the possibility of parasites living inside my brain. But the more that I read about this illness, and the more I experience these strange symptoms, I am beginning to think that is what is happening.

At a support group I went to recently, one of the members, sick for years with lyme and co., had shown an incredible improvement after only a few months after having seen a LLNP who was trained in ART testing. It is so hard to understand how this could work, but it is something for all of us to consider.

I have also had more pressure behind my eyes and increased vibrational sensations with vascular bruising. I had started Salt C but am taking a break - as I think I ramped up too quickly. I am also trying to cut down on some of my supplements and see which ones are really helping me.

I ordered my DE from Amazon.com. It is a huge amount that will likely last me more than a year.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005516K0S/ref=pe_175190_21431760_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_1

Good luck to you with all you are doing! Please keep us posted.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Just got my practitioner to agree to Asyra on Monday. I have not had good results with ART testing. Hopefully this will help pinpoint. The seizurey things make me feel extremely helpless and hopeless, like things are just progressing despite treatment, as Dr B said it could. (Seems impossible).

There is a big specialist in toxoplasmosis near where I live. I'm going to try to get an appt with him to see if that's a possibility. I have had cats my whole life and been playfully scratched many times (not bitten though). WHen I was pregnany they did IGg antibodies for toxo but perhaps there's better tests now. Toxo is a parasite.

Dbpei, thanks for you post. Sounds like you have some of the same symptoms.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
CD - I have also had cats my whole life. Please keep us posted on your visit with the toxoplasmosis specialist.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i got a bloodpressure monitor and now i am confused...do you mind sharing your numbers? i thought 120/80 was normal but the machine is saying im borderline-or at risk or somehting

i used to have low ... but so many things are changing with me lately.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
120/80 is considered normal. 140/90 is considered high. My pressure ranges between 100/70 to 120/80. Different factors such as what you eat, stress etc during the day can effect your pressure. Your pressure is fine IP.

Gael
 
Posted by Tmcmhope (Member # 40048) on :
 
CD- does your LLMD mean herding when he says flare up? If it could be a herx and sounds like it is, my LLMD says to stop treatments until it calms down and then titrate back up again. And to detox while off the meds. Thought I would give a different perspective. If I don't feel better within 30 days then he has me try a different abx or treatment. I'm sorry you are feeling so bad, the seizure and CNS stuff can be torturing. Hang in there- praying for all my fellow parasite warriors
[Smile]
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I thought 120/80 was normal as well. My pressure is similar to Gael's, fluctuating often. I would not worry about 120/80. That is a healthy BP.
 
Posted by Tmcmhope (Member # 40048) on :
 
Sorry herxing- darn auto correct lol [bonk]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
CD57, it sounds like you are doing too much (iver, malarone, alina, salt c, and potentially DE?). That's a lot! Deep vascular bruising on bones and tendons doesn't sound good. But I'm no doc. You have to follow your gut.

I couldn't take doxy, iver and salt C. I dropped the salt C and felt better. It was just too much for me. Then when I moved on from iver to alina, my body said no way. Your body is trying to tell you something. I've been told by several docs that herxing hard is not good, to back down when this happens.

I think more ILADS specialists now lean towards not herxing hard, and achieve this with lower dosages for their patients.

I love cats. We can't imagine our lives without them. :) I hope you feel better soon!
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
yes, Catgirl! I can tell by your name. I have probably had bart since childhood b/c I like cats. Weird though....I know a bunch of people who got cat scratch disease and had to have their lymph nodes drained...but it never gave them problems after that....weird huh? I have the same strain (henselae)that causes it.

Toxo which is a parasite, now I wonder about that. I don't have antibodies to it but there are better tests now. I know someone who got toxo from a sand box (gross!) and is blind in one eye.

The vet down the street from us passed away out of the blue a few years ago. I had talked to him about all this stuff before that happened. He said he had gotten RMSF from a goat and he was sure his blood would test positive for bart and a bunch of other stuff.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
glad we dont have these in us...

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/51051/alien-like+creature+pulled+from+new+jersey+area+an+internet+sensation/
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Ipkayak: Ahh! LOL. I shouldn't have clicked on that link! What a crazy looking animal!

Have you guys ever seen the photos of Giardia under a microscope? They look like creepy little smiley faces...shudder...

CD: I don't know if you saw a thread I had last week- but I was having tremors and seizure like issues- and it turns out to be too much ammonia being released by parasite die off.

I was doing too much. I had to pull way back on my parasite treatment and now am taking Molybdenum and Neuro-Antitox II for ammonia- it has really helped!

So maybe you could ask your practitioner about ammonia from die-off too?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
For everyone on this journey. PACE NOT RACE is very important in healing so you don't suffer so much. There were times I was so scared that I ended up doing too much too fast. Take your time, rest and just put one foot in front of the other.

You are ALL such an inspiration the way you try different things to go after these infections and are determined to get your life back!

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
I read through most of this. Just some thoughts...

I've read that rashes that look like scratch marks or stretch marks can be from bart.

Malaria & babesia are protozoa.

Start slowly with anti-parasite protocols. They can be really difficult & it takes time. It took me years to work up to the salt/C protocol.

Charcoal is a very good binder for toxic stuff. It absorbs everything - so don't take it with herbs or drugs. Take it about 3 hours away from any herbs, supplements, drugs.

Dr. Clark recommended Ornithine for ammonia. It's fairly cheap.

http://www.ergo-log.com/ornithineammonia.html

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Please keep us posted about toxoplasmosis. I'm curious how to treat for that. I've had cats all my life. I also read that many people in Germany have toxoplasmosis, too. I think it was over 50% if I recall correctly. It's also from meat - particularily pork. So, It's not just a cat thing.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
ps - that lamprey photo looks photoshop-ed to me... You can see it around the edges - it looks a bit blurry. I'd have to see the original, though. - LOL
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
sparkle, are you saying that you need to take charcoal 3 hours away from supplements/meds before and after? That makes it quite a challenge.

Just wondering... is it okay to take the charcoal along with DE? I am so new to all of these binders. Any advice from those of you who know what works would be appreciated.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Does anyone here post on Lymestrategies or Curezone? If so, would you mind putting out a post asking opinions of which parasite zapper they think is best?

I've heard some people say you must only use Hulda Clark's. But I've heard others say the cheaper ones work just as well.

If anyone is able to do this, thanks so much. If not, no worries.

Thanks.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/about.html
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
dbpei - Yes, it's important to take binders away from supplements or meds. I think 2 hours is good. That's what I go by.

I would not take charcoal at the same time as DE. Alternating is a good idea.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Here's some info about charcoal -

http://healingtools.tripod.com/char3.html

It absorbs everything so it's not something one would want to take all the time. I don't think it would be bad to mix it with other binders like psylium or clay. Just be aware that it can effect other herbs or meds.

Also - people on the salt/C protocol may want to add extra probiotics...

Via my own dowsing - some herbs or drugs linger in the body & are effective for quite a while. The effects may be cumulative. I ended up spacing out the binders for a day or two in some cases. Just my own observation.

Sometimes, it's good to let the active herbs or drugs work in the body to kill stuff & not take the binders too soon. In those cases, you can always do a plain water enema if needed.

Each case is individual.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks Sparkle and Tammy. My LLNP wants me to take charcoal daily to help with detoxing but perhaps I will alternate with DE, which I think also helps with that.

I know someone personally from a local support group who I believe uses the Hulda Clark zapper. I will try to find out what I can.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Catgirl, at one point you were taking low doses of Salt C throughout the day. It sounds like you decided to stop. Do you think this was easier to do before you resumed ABX? Are you still treating parasites now? Just curious.

Thanks for that website. So it looks like CDC recognizes parasites as a problem for some!
 
Posted by MichaelTampa (Member # 24868) on :
 
Question for those using the coffee enemas. I have been using S.A. Wilson special coffee. It is designed specifically for enemas, a different blend of beans, and very gently roasted.

Anyway, I'm running out and will want to do more enemas before I get more. Any suggestions for what would be available locally, perhaps in a health food store. I imagine organic would be important. Anything else, should it be roasted or not roasted, certain type of coffee, ...?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dbpei, I had a problem doing salt/c and biltricide, so I stopped. My doc thought the salt/c would be too hard on my body along with the parasite meds. I haven't tried it with the abx though.

I felt good on doxy and ivermectin, but when I moved to alinia, I couldn't take it. This was the third time I've tried alinia over the past six months. The other two times were great. This time, no. I think the doxy made it worse.

I am currently just on doxy and malarone, but I'm going to start up with a low dose of salt c today. I miss it and love how mildly it worked for me.

Michael, I just use organic coffee. I get mine from whole foods, but I think any good organic coffee would be fine. I'm not sure about roasted or not roasted. The one I use is roasted.

Tammy knows a lot about coffee enemas. Hopefully, she will see this and post some ideas.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Thanks dbpei - I appreciate you inquiring for me.

Michael - From Dr. K's office I wasn't given any other specific advice about coffee....just that it needs to be organic and not decaf. So I've been buying the organic one from Whole Foods, 365 Brand.

I don't know if the coffee you have been using is any better. I might give it a try at some point. For now, I'm happy with the one I've been using.
 
Posted by MichaelTampa (Member # 24868) on :
 
Thanks. I'll just get some organic roasted coffee at a local store if I run out, which appears very likely at this point. I'm using more and more, I think my liver needs lots of support for all this parasite killing and removal. Guess I'll be posting a comparison of the S.A.Wilsons versus more standard coffee, we'll see if my body or my pendulum notices any difference.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
btw - I was told to use 3 tablespoons (to make 4 cups) in the French press.

What amount do you use?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this back up for fredD to review who posted in general support.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm on day 3 of salt c (really happy I can take it with my abx). I feel better! I'm really surprised that it brought me out of a long herx (whodathunkit?). It's killing something (lol)!
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
how much salt/C Catgirl? and what kind/how much>

why don't I feel anything from it so far? (Inconsistent and only at 2 grams of each per day?)?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Everyone has different experiences with salt/c at different doses. Also depends what else they are taking. What other protocols are you on? Any antiparasitics? How long have you been at 2 gms?

Catgirl,

glad you are feeling better on salt/c, just don't ramp up too fast. Salt/c can be very effective killing many different pathogens.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm very sensitive. I've always been that way (just needed smaller doses of everything). I just take 1/4tsp of Ester C and 1/4 tsp of sea salt.

I learned from taking Byron White herbs to go super slow (were talking a month before I increased it every so slowly). The people who are successful on Byron White are the ones who go slowly (check out Byron White's website-There's a quote from Doc H on there about going slow).

Maybe hang at the 2 gram mark for a while until you feel better. I did this last year with salt/c. I stayed at 1 gram for several months, but went off of it when I was on parasite meds.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael!
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
i got the salt c book and i dont know how i missed it on here but i thought salt c was for "worms" and babs but now i see it is for Bb too

i have been going thru a lot of ortho/mobility problems unrealaterd to salt c so i have not been very regular with it

but i did find if i eat 1/2 T of coconut oil in 1/2 cup winter squash i see lots of things coming out-way more than when i was was just doing the salt c. in a few days i think i will get back on the full dose (when my appts are over) and with the coconut oil maybe i will see even more

i had been concerned about an als book written last month that said neurol sx in long term lyme meant you needed flagyl or tini

but the books explanation of how salt c gets into Bb in cyst form makes me feel it will work as well as flagyl

glad i have the book....
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
Hello all!

I have been on salt/c for three weeks. I am currently doing three grams of each, three times a day. Sometimes 4 times a day.

Haven't really seen anything to amount to much up until today.

I have never had the desire to go 'fishing' in the toilet bowl. I get a flashlight and give it a good looking over.

Early on I saw a few things that were pure white. They looked like white chocolate chips.

Since then, nothing out of the ordinary.

Today while drinking my glasses of water, I became a little bit irritated.

I have purchased the salt twice. Sent the first bottle back. I got the wrong stuff.

I have also purchased the vitamin C twice. Got the wrong stuff. Sent the first batch back.

All this ordering, drinking, trying to remember to take the stuff. Missing a dose and trying to make it up....

And I have seen nothing...until today.

I decided I would take a closer look at the toilet bowl.

I got my flashlight out. Looked really close. Nothing....

I decided to go get a wooden spoon. I have one with a really long handle.

Got my spoon in hand...decided to poke at the thing in the toilet. I gave it a good poke. Nothing.

Gave another harder poke and it broke up.

Shined my flashlight into the toilet and what do I see? Many little wispy things came out. They look just like in the photos that I have seen on the web.

I will now apologize for all of those awful thoughts I had on this subject.

For now I am a believer!!!!!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome catgirl.

Ip,

Really glad you got the book and also that you are seeing "things" emerge. Sometimes the salt/c will work even better with another antiparasitic such as coconut oil.

Carolann,

Sooo happy you stuck with it and finally saw results,

I think when you add the Parastroy, it will push a lot more critters out. Thanks so much for posting guys, it's important to help others see that parasites can be a major part of this disease.

Happy hunting!

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I am back on the Salt C and probably going to stay at 1 g twice a day for a while. I had a killer sinus head ache yesterday that was the worst I ever remember having. Feeling pretty lousy but hoping for results over time.

Every now and then, I see something in the toilet that looks like it could be parasites. But never sure... Maybe I have to find an old wooden spoon like Carol. LOL. I hope it doesn't find its way back into the kitchen! [toilet]

I am a big fan of coconut oil and try to use it as much as possible. Glad you discoverd it lpkayak.

I am thinking of ordering Humaworm or Parastoy. The Hanna Kroeger wormwood complex made me very constipated. Any suggestions?

Do any of you use binders? I am using chlorella and have started charcoal once a day - away from meds. The chlorella, I take a half hour before meals and at bedtime.

I think I am going to stop the DE. On 2 occasions, I found what appeared to be a floating bug in the water I was mixing it with. I ordered the good, food grade stuff recommended in E Book. Just totally creeped me out. I will use it in my gardens instead.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
For "hunting" I bought a few big packs of wooden skewers from Bed Bath and Beyond. That's what I use every day.

For those who want further tips, here's what I do....

First, if you have a choice of toilets in your house...use an elongated one. The smaller ones just make our BMs sink to the bottom. I then make a bed of toilet paper first before eliminating. This way it sits on top. Then poke around with the skewers. It really lets you see everything you may be passing.

dbpei - Constipation, to me, means you probably need to take in a lot more liquids. Water, broths, coconut water, etc. Maybe even prunes to keep things flowing.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Tammy, I drink TONS of water and have herbal teas throughout the day. I am off the scale in the amount of fiber I take. (loads of fresh fruits, veggies, high fiber foods) I am not usually constipated - but when I took the Hanna K product, I had that problem. Perplexing!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Tammy,

That's quite a project you've devised to "catch" the critters. Very innovative. I used to use a large incense holder so I could scoop out obvious critters.

The larger parasites will usually float to the top. Be on the lookout for suspicous looking circles of critters encased in biofilm.

When removed and dried on paper towel, the most interesting parasites would emerge. Some were dark red, about an inch long with flippers. That was six yrs ago when I had a mass exodus for mos and mos.

I decided to turn this into a science project to keep myself from freaking out. It's six yrs later and believe it or not, I still see an occassional very small parasite.

They are VERY good at sticking to the intestinal wall along with their eggs. This is why it's sooooo important to do maintenance and take extra cloves to kill the eggs.

dbpei,

Hanna Kroeger does not come with any cleanse herbals such as cascara sagrada in their formula. probably why you got constipated.

Parastroy comes with Para Rid and Para Sweep to take care of that problem. If you get Humaworm, you also should get their cleanse that they suggest.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks, Gael. I am going to order the Parastoy, I think.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome. I do think Parastroy is stronger and also cheaper than Humaworm. You might also want to order some extra cloves by Hanna Kroeger. You can get both at Vitacost. Extra cloves are also a strong antimicrobal. Google cloves health benefits. Good Luck!

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Gael - thanks for recognizing my high-skilled hidden talent [Big Grin]

dbpei - I hear you. Just an additional thought... herbal teas are often diuretic. Maybe that wasn't noticeable before, but with these binding anti-parasitic herbs, maybe your body is feeling the effects more now?? Not sure, just guessing....
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Wow, just reading your post Gael. I took Humaworm last year and developed uti symptoms after a week and stopped. It also made me really constipated. You mentioned a cleanse with the Humaworm. I never did this (must have missed it). That's probably why I got so constipated.

I go everyday, but my stools are hard no matter how much water I take in. They do soften a tiny bit with more fats, but I am fat/oil sensitive (protomyxzoa). I tried coffee enemas, but the constipation (hard stool) comes right back. My LLND says sometimes the parasites bind in the body and don't want to let go. I also just did some parasite meds (nothing came out). It sounds like I need a cleanse. Any suggestions?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Forgot to mention, I also found this (another man's story on Humaworm). I get gall bladder pain. I had an ultrasound and nothing showed up. I'm suspecting liver flukes. I took what looked like a piece of one into my doc. He thought it looked like part of one too. The lab showed negative tho.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1379355
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Hi guys,

I've only been on Paragen for the last week or so and the last 3 days my gut feels much calmer (no more constipation and less diarrhea) but I'm no longer seeing roundworms exit.

Wondering, do I continue to give my gut a rest from extra anti-parasitics (I'm planning on adding back in Humaworm eventually) or am I losing ground on the roundworm infection despite continuing to treat other parasitic infections with Paragen?

Paragen is made from Hedgeapple and I just cannot find much on the medicinal uses of Hedgeapple online- But I know it's working for the more microscopic infections because I'm feeling slightly better and my gut is settling.

Also, weirdly I have started craving tons of garlic. Had a small herx from it, but mostly feel energized after eating it! I just read that garlic is a "pre-biotic" (helps probiotic absorption in the gut), anti-parasitic, and antibacterial. Anyone else crave garlic while treating parasites?
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Wow- maybe just answered my own question on garlic?

In test tubes, garlic kills roundworms, Ascaris lumbricoides, which is the most common type of intestinal parasite.

Source: http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/garlic-000245.htm#ixzz2LYPAtHPF

Guess my body is telling me what I'm ready to do by the cravings! That's awesome!

.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
I wish I could take garlic regularly. Unfortunately, I have problems with the sulfur (methylation issues).

You may want to try the Nexus artemisinin/garlic suppositories. Very effective!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
catgirl,

It may be time to increase your salt/c. Staying on 1/4tsp for an extended period may not be nearly enough.

Maybe try increasing 1/4tsp at a time. You can also do a vitamin C flush to get things moving. Google vitamin C flush. Have you done any enemas? coffee or warm water?

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael. Yes, I have done coffee and warm water enemas. I'm good for the day, but that's it. I will google vitamin c flush.

I think you're right about upping the salt (my lyme brain didn't even think of it--lol!).
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Thanks for the suggestion Tammy! I'll check that out!
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Testimonial on Beck protocol for parasites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hu1P17QN2E
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
So, this is day 4 of feeling better than I was and I must say I am elated. Garlic is giving me results as of last night with roundworms- they are exiting again!

And I just had the energy to play in the snow with the neighbor girls for 30 minutes and I still feel good.

I am knocking on wood here but focusing on healing my gut is definitely paying off. I know I have a really long way to go, but even if I only get these few good days before my health takes another turn I am so grateful. [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
daynise,

So nice to hear you had a good day and are feeling better. Keep those suckers exiting and stay focused on getting them out.

Just because you didn't see them for a bit doesn't mean they are not there. Keep it up so you can get your life and health back! Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Daynise! Very cool about the garlic!
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Thank you Gael and Catgirl! [Smile]

Yeah, I am totally and absolutely dedicated to treating parasites for the rest of my life if I need to!
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
My husband added 1/4 teaspoon salt to his vitamin c this morning and again at lunch time.

He felt rather bloated this afternoon.... Did he do too much salt too soon?

He is taking 1 teaspoon of vitamin c 3 times a day regularly.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
MammaMe, The protocol for salt/c calls for equal amounts of salt to C. Starting with a 1/4tsp each per day for a few days is advised as opposed to going too fast.

The vitamin C can be bloating as well. Hope he is doing a good brand of sea salt and buffered C and drinking enough water to circulate the salt/c.

If you are going to do this protocol it would be a good idea to order the book either from Amazon or the e-book from lymestrategies for guidance.

Gael
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
He's using Celtic sea salt - the gray kind.

The vitamin c is buffered. At one point he was taking 20,000 mgs of vitamin c per day with no adverse effects. Its more like 10 - 15,000 per day now. C is beneficial for adrenals which is why he was doing so much.

He is drinking plenty of water - he aims for a gallon per day.... gets at least two quarts per day.

So we'll keep the salt to 1/4 teas for awhile before adding more.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
FULL MOON ALERT.....Monday Feb 25th!! Drink milk, eat cheese to keep parasites in the gut and then hit them with whatever antiparasitics you are taking! They love diary.

This is when they procreate! Take extra cloves and a little extra salt/c if that's what you're on. [Smile]

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks for the advice, Gael! Maybe that is why I have been feeling so on edge and annoyed by all the buzzing in my head lately.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hi K,

First off, parasites can cause allergys and are on the symptom list. The herbs for parasites may be different then the ones you took. Treating parasites even with pharma drugs can be uncomfortable.

Parasites cause pain and inflammation. If you don't want to try and herbals cleanse such as Humaworm or Parastroy, you can start with the salt/c protocol.

If you do decide to do that, it's best to order the salt/c e-book from lymestrategies or order the one from Amazon which I inderstand is even better.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Has anyone tried just using humaworm around the full moon? I wonder if it would do anything. I was doing salt C but it was messing with my abx (doxy), so I had to go off of it.

Gael, do you think a tiny bit of cloves, wormwood and black walnut hull would work?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

Don't see any reason why those herbs wouldn't be effective since they attack parasites. How does the salt/c mess with the doxy? If it is just the vitamin c that interferes, maybe you can just do the salt.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I guess it's the Esther C (calcium). I think it makes it weaker because when I'm on it I get joint pain. If I don't do the salt/c, no issues.

Would the salt alone be too acidic though? I thought there was something to mixing the salt with the c (can't remember).
 
Posted by droid1226 (Member # 34930) on :
 
Does anyone know the best options for salt and vitamin C at Vitacost? I have the book but they give plenty of options.....
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
droid,

I like Real Salt )sea salt) I order the fine 26oz size. I also buy Ester C powder with bioflavinoids by American Health. Both from vitacost.

Catgirl,

Just wondering if the salt/c is attacking parasites in the joints and that's why you are experiencing joint pain? I had tiny parasites (scab first) exiit from my wrist joints.

Maybe google doxy interaction with vitamin C and see if there is any problems. The protocol is best when done together, but sea salt is still antimicrobal and antiparasitic by itself.

The Vitamin C boosts the immune system. I would try and stay on the salt/c if possible because it's very valuable in killing bb as well.

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Is Biocidin an anti-parasitic?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael. I know, I really don't want to split it up (salt/c).

I also get joint pain after taking binders. I haven't been in tune with my body so much in the past, but I'm noticing this now (it takes a while to figure this stuff out).

I think the binders are pulling the meds out of my body quicker, so even when I take them 3 hours away from meds, my pain starts to come back. The same thing with salt/c.

I know calcium is a no no with doxy, and the Esther C has it. I think it binds with the drug and makes it weak. Maybe I just need a larger dose so more will be in my system (on a small dose of abx). I'm going to try upping it.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Biocidin does not have all the necessary herbs. Needs wormwood, black walnut hull, and cloves for it to be effective totally against parasites.

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Thanks Gael. My 3 yr old son is starting Biocidin. ART testing didn't show parasites, but I was hoping that supp would cover it just in case.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

As sparkle pointed out in her above thread, binders can have an accumaltive effect and linger in the body.

Perhaps spacing out the binders every two days would give the meds or herbs a chance to do their job and not be absorbed by the binders rendering them ineffective.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
lax mom - my son is on biocidin as well and I'm not sure which infection our practitioner wanted to target with it. Do you know what your son is taking it for? I read somewhere it is used for PANDAS by some docs.

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
Hello all!

Has anybody, while on salt/c, passed anything that resembles coffee grains?

Whatever those grainy things are, I am loaded with them. I have looked on different websites and cannot find anything that looks like those.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I read earlier in the thread Feb 25th was a full moon. Can someone explain what happens around a full moon from personal experience? Do symptoms worsen during or before the full moon? What about the day after? How many days before?

My son had a really bad day yesterday and I believe parasites are his worst infection. He is currently on salt/C and Caprasite, which hits ascaris and his other worm infections. He seems a bit better today. Is that just coincidence? Do you notice a big difference in just one day or is it gradual as you get farther away from the full moon?

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
tick battler: my son's practitioner only said it was "antimicrobial". From the ingredient list it looks like it covers a lot.

Does anybody know a good, gentle binder for little kids that can easily be hidden in food like applesauce?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael. It's worth a shot. :)

Tick battler, symptoms worsen for me about 5 days before the full moon. The worst days for me are the one or two days before it, sometimes the day of, and then they start subsiding quickly afterwards.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Lax, not sure if this would help or if you can taste it but maybe a little bit of some mucilax or psyllium?

http://www.patientassistance.com/O2757-mucilax.html
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
laxmom, we use D.E. and twinlabs apple pectin. Benontie clay works for two of my kids; the other gets too constipated on it. He uses IMD by quicksilver scientific.

tickbattler
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by carolann2013:
Has anybody, while on salt/c, passed anything that resembles coffee grains?

Lately I've been seeing some of these (in addition to the roundworm-type strands). I am doing the Rx meds plus I take cloves, plus right now I'm on tindamax.

People have mentioned seeing something like "seeds" but I haven't, except for a few that most likely are just from my diet. However these tiny dark grains are something new, so perhaps they are seeds of a different variety?

I hope so, I'd sure like to be killing off all stages of these things!!!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Carolann, I wouldn't be surprised if they are parasites (coffee grain like things).
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
They look like black sesame seeds. I mean there were thousands of them. I know it wasn't anything I had eaten.


Someone asked me if it could be a kidney infection. About a month ago, I was tested and my kidneys were fine.

I have to believe they are parasites. I just can't imagine what else they could be.
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
They look like black sesame seeds. I mean there were thousands of them. I know it wasn't anything I had eaten.


Someone asked me if it could be a kidney infection. About a month ago, I was tested and my kidneys were fine.

I have to believe they are parasites. I just can't imagine what else they could be.
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
They look like black sesame seeds. I mean there were thousands of them. I know it wasn't anything I had eaten.


Someone asked me if it could be a kidney infection. About a month ago, I was tested and my kidneys were fine.

I have to believe they are parasites. I just can't imagine what else they could be.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
We did just have a full moon. That's when the parasites breed (yuck). Maybe those were eggs!
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
Oh my gosh!!! I am just thinking about how many they were!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
carolann, are you doing better on Parastroy? How's your swelling?

It's good if you are shedding the eggs- that's how it started with me...then a couple days later, started seeing the adults and have seen them most days since. Shudder!

It sure is shocking when you realize you've got these things inside you! But good that they are exiting- now you might start feeling better!
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
daynise,

This is my fourth day of no salt/c. I thought my Parastroy would come in yesterday, maybe it will today.

I was already feeling pretty good. As I said, this is the fourth day without the salt/c and I can tell it.

Up until last night, I was still 'seeing' things. I have only seen one that was a shocker. I kind of quit searching so hard. Now, I just get a flashlight and look that way.

You couldn't miss seeing all those little black thingys.

I am getting sluggish again. I was chipper for about a week, felt really good, Now it is a bummer again!
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I wanted to share about two herbal parasite cleanses that have helped us. Caprasite by Mt. Capra and Paracleanse - don't have the manufacturer name handy. Our EDS practitioner has tested many formulas and these tested best for hitting the largest number of different types of worms.

My son is herxing like crazy on the Caprasite.

tickbattler
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks for sharing these cleanses tickbattler. We can never have enough ammo against these invaders. Hope these parasites start exiting from your son soon.

Sometimes adding a little salt/c will make them let go. Hope your little guy makes much progress.

Gael
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
Hello all,

I have gotten my Parastroy in the mail today. It has two bottles Para-Rid and Para-Sweep.

Did I get the correct stuff?

Also, I read the bottles and it said that there needs to be a break. I am supposed to take two capsules each twice daily.

I am also taking salt/c doses two times a day.

How long should I take the Parastroy before taking a break from it?

Thanks!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Yes, you got the correct stuff. The info I just looked up again says"Take Parastroy in six mos intervals and then 1 mos break.

If necessary repeat. It also says to start with 1 capsule each P R and P SW 2 x a day for 1 week. Second week take 2 caps each 2 x a day for the second week,

Third week you can increase to 3 capse each 2 x a day. This is from the Natures Secret website. Keep us posted on how you do with it.

Gael
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
Sure will and thanks. I didn't even think about going to the website. I read the material that came with them and it really didn't give that much info.
 
Posted by Tmcmhope (Member # 40048) on :
 
Hello All
I am still going strong on the salt/c protocol. Have a question- I woke up this morning with several red ring worm looking circles on my chest. Has anyone had this, if yes is it a parasite?

I took a picture but don't know how to share it- can someone help me with this?

Thanks - tmcmhope
[confused]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ringworm is considered a parasite on Humaworm's website. Here is what it looks like (anti fungals are supposed to kill it):

http://www.howdoeslooklike.com/what-does-ringworm-look-like/
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Hi all,

Any recommendation on an enema kit? Are the stainless steel buckets the way to go?

I've been on parasite herbs for more than a month so I guess it's time to flush.
 
Posted by Tricky Tickey (Member # 26546) on :
 
Hey, does anyone know if those vibrating machines would help with parasites? I've been going for the past 2 days taking 10 minutes on the Goga machine, 10 minutes in Infrared, then another 10 on Goga. Also drink 4 cups of alkaline water while there. It's helping my stress and tension in my neck & body.

It just dawned on me that this could also stir up some bugs. I had a slight nose bleed when I got home. I noticed my nose starts itching while I'm on the machine. I think it may. Hope it runs off some buggers!
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
VV - I order the disposable latex-free enema bags on Amazon. I just find that it makes it cleaner and easier....which makes it easier to commit to a daily practice for me.

Here's a link: http://www.amazon.com/Disposable-Enema-Bag-Set-Individually/dp/B002NWS2BM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1362101926&sr=8-2&keywords=disposable+enema+bags
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Tricky,

Not sure about the Goga machine, but the bigger question for me is, are you on any antiparasitics?

Gael
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
My hubby has been drinking Braggs apple cider vinegar in water for his digestion.

Yesterday I set the cup with straight vinegar down & went to fill the pitcher with water, so I could add the water to the vinegar.

He saw the cup and it only had a little in it, so he threw it in his mouth and swallowed it down! Then he coughed and sputtered and carried on. I thought he was choking....... When he could finally talk again he said what happened. Some of it went down 'the wrong throat'.

He's been coughing ever since. Did that kill off some critters? or just irritate the airways?

Is there something to do to help soothe / ease the cough? He's rifing for cough.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
He just swallowed "down the wrong pipe" which this is commonly referred to when this happens. Has nothing to do with killing critters. He aspirated the liquid. If he developes any lung symptoms he should seek medical help.

As you suspected, he just irritaed the airways. He should drink everthing warm not cold so he doesn't cause any more constriction. It should just calm down on it's own. Maybe someone has a home remedy that they know of.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
VV, I got this at walgreens (it works great, and has big tubing, so it's easy to clean).

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-combination-douche,-enema-and-water-bottle-system/ID=prod17207-product
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
How do you all get the temp right for an enema? Should be warm, right?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
It should be room temp. I just posted some links on an new post called Coffee Enemas (much more info there).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
VV, here's another one. :)

http://www.sawilsons.com/basicenema.htm
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
To my disappointment, I am going to have to stay off of the salt/c. I had quit taking it for about four days.

Decided I would try it again at a lower dose. My swelling got worse and packed on about five pounds.

Will just doing the Parastroy work as well? I am doing two doses a day. Tomorrow I will go to three times a day.

Will it be helpful if I continue the vitamin C? It surely can't hurt me. I have read that it is a natural dieuretic.

I must say the salt/c was really doing the job on parasites. I could not believe it!!!
 
Posted by canadianmama (Member # 36298) on :
 
Hi All,

So I have been pulsing small does (1/8tsp) salt/c for my son.

Today is day two of his pulse and he has a sore stomach and very loose stools.

Any thoughts? Is this likely related to the salt/c?

Is it a good thing or not?

Should he do day three of the pulse? We have been doing three on four off. His anxiety has not returned with the pulsing.

I know there is no certain answers to these questions, but any thoughts welcome.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The loose stools can be a sign of dieoff, so if you can, look to see if anything came with it. I would keep going. Keep us posted

Gael
 
Posted by Gratitude (Member # 31314) on :
 
I have known for many years that I have a parasitic infection despite negative stool samples. Proof finally came after releasing them from my throat and sinus cavity. Very creepy!

My lyme Dr. just put me on one single dose of Ivermectin. I have major doubts this will irradiate the infection(s), especially after all these years.

I'm afraid it's back in my own hands to treat. I'm thinking about buying Parastroy and going back on the salt/C protocol. My husband wants me to see a Parasitologist.

Few questions:

Is it worth finding a Parasitologist? I live in an area of high international travel so there are many around. Or is the medical/pharmaceutical model of treating chronic parasitic infections ineffective in general?

Is it best to purchase Parastroy directly from the manufacturer? It's half the cost on Amazon but I worry about the expiration date or the temp conditions the product was stored in.

What's the best place to purchase the salt/C e-book?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
You can buy Parastroy, sea salt(Real Salt) and Ester C powder with bioflavinoids by American Health all very inexpensive from vitacost.

Knowing what I know now about parasites, I would start tx ASAP. I tested negative for yrs for parasites and I was loaded.

If you can find someone who is Dr. K. trained and does ART that would be a good option. You can purchase the salt/c book from Amazon.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Or is the medical/pharmaceutical model of treating chronic parasitic infections ineffective in general? [/QB]
Gratitude, you nailed it. You can try a parasitologist, but I think they tend to help people who have traveled from overseas rather than the rest of us. Most docs just don't believe parasites are an issue here. Maybe you'll get lucky?

You're right, one dose of ivermectin won't do it. Parasites love their comfortable homes and don't want to leave them.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
My husband has a new spot on his bicep that resembles ringworm, but it is not scaly or itchy. It is only the size of a dime. It is a perfect circle with just a red outline. No center. I wish I had taken a picture. Could this be related to any parasite?
 
Posted by tmcm (Member # 23249) on :
 
dbpei- my wife had a very similar occurance, she had 4 of pop up on her chest, she has been on salt/c for a few weeks now at only 1/4 per day.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
this is pretty TMI, but I have a question- has anyone experienced mucus in their stools or hairy looking stools since starting to treat for parasites?

I'm also fighting candida, but just starting to worry that I have an intestinal infection. My ND has me starting on SeaCure but just wondered if anyone else noticed this while doing parasite treatments?
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Gratitude - you are right...one dose of Ivermectin won't even come close. I don't know of anyone who has been to a parasitologist. Would be interesting to see what he/she says. Everyone I know who is treating for parasites is either doing it on their own and/or having their LLMD oversee them.

Treatment must be long-term. I've been treating for 9 months and still passing parasites just about daily. I started with a rotation of different pharmaceuticals for about 3 months, then switched to herbals and was still getting daily visible results. My doc now wants to switch me back to pharmaceuticals.

daynise - yes, I get mucus also sometimes. And also biofilm. I'm not sure what you mean by hairy looking? If you mean stringy at times, then yes I get that also. It's all so weird isn't it?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dbpei,

I have had many similar rashes that you describe since being on antiparasitics. IMO, I do believe, that the rashes were either from parasites or secondary infections.

Getting rid of parasites will lead to eliminating other infections as well. If your husband is not on antiparasitics, it would be a VERY good idea to do so.

daynise,

The hairy looking stools could be from the black fiber looking worms pictured on www.lymephotos.com Check it out. Mucous in the stools are on the symptom list for parasites.

Gael
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Thank you guys! Uggh. Sorry I had to ask- it's been happening for awhile. Yes it's like that photo on lymestrategies... Hate this stuff!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
daynise,

The good news is that you are getting rid of them!! For me that was a celebration when I actually "saw" what was making me so sick.

What helped me was to stay focused, keep it simple and declare war!! Persistence is KEY. Just keep going and you will get your health back.

Gael
 
Posted by annxyzz (Member # 20404) on :
 
I want to report my experiment reults . I have been eating 3-4 cloves of chopped raw garlic
( taken with bites of hummus) and 4 clove capsules . As a result , I got a very strong herx reaction.

I think the cloves ( just my guess) does more than kill eggs. I think the cloves may kill a lot more ! The two of these are easy to take, cheap , and safe . Just be prepared afor a strong reaction, which surprised me!

I have been doing this every other day . On the "off " days I take ivermectin , artemesia annnua, GSE, and sida acuta drops.
I think this is powerful in killing many pathogens - a broad swath . I am herxing an awful lot , but think I am on the right track.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
annxyzz, You are right about cloves killing other infections. They are a very strong antibacterial as well as being antimalarial.

If you haven't seen anything exit yet, you might want to consider adding some salt/c. It usually makes the parasites let go and exit. You are def on the right track. Thanks for the info.

Gael
 
Posted by Gratitude (Member # 31314) on :
 
Thanks Gael, Tammy & Catgirl. I'm taking this into my own hands with herbs & salt/C.

I may see a parsitologist just to see what they say, but I won't get my hopes up.

Just so disappointed in my LLMD's decision to put me on one dose of Ivermectin. It makes me less confident in his ability to help me get well. He's so well respected and nationally known. I guess this part of the treatment picture hasn't reached all LLMDs?
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Here's the Para Cleanse product that my practitioner likes. She says this is one of the few products she has tested on her EDS machine that hits ALL of the different types of worms.

http://www.pbiv.com/paracleanse.html

I'm curious -what symptoms do you all get when you herx from salt/C and/or your parasite cleanses?

My herx after drinking salt/C happens within about 20 minutes with dizziness, eye stinging, pain in my spinal column or lung area, increased vibrating in my feet and the rest of my body, and stomach gurgling.

I'm also curious if you all think parasites caused your fatigue and insomnia before you treated? We have been trying to figure out why my husband still feels fatigued even though we can't find lyme in him anymore based on two separate practitioners testing him energetically. We know he has blastocystis since we saw that on testing and his stomach is gurgly now, but I'm starting to wonder if parasites have been the cause of his fatigue and insomnia and brain fog for the past couple years. Those are his primary symptoms now.

I started him on 1/4 tsp of salt/C twice daily yesterday and he really herxes on it. (I told him to start a bit slower with 1/8 tsp instead but he wanted to start at that dose.)

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
tick battler,

All of the symptoms you are mentioning, I have gotten as well. The parasites are hiding everywhere and when hit with the salt/c, they can't stand and react to it.

If you start to feel crawling under you skin, it's also due to the parasites trying to escape the salt.

I absolutely believe that ALL my symptoms incl brain fog and fatigue were due to a hyperinfection of parasites. I had all of the symptoms listed on the Humaworm symptom list.

Glad to see that your husband has started salt/c. Wishing him the best results. If he gets diarrhea, that's from dieoff.

Gael
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks Gael. Last night I felt terrible and couldn't sleep due to a lot of symptoms and today felt terrible too with shortness of breath, internal vibrating and a lot of stomach gurgling. I think most of my symptoms are from blastocystis. I realized that I haven't taken any detox things in the last 3 days...I guess that is probably why! I took some clay and chlorella today and hope it will help me tonight.

Has anyone noticed a difference in symptoms when they forgot to take binders? I know how important they are but it's nice to hear confirmation that this could be why I feel so bad, and not that I got reinfected or that my protocol isn't working!

Has anyone had shortness of breath they attribute to parasites? If so, did it go away with treatment? I know babesia can cause air hunger and I think the blastocystis (also a protozoa) is causing it for me and for my son.

I find I have times where I feel like I'm getting better and then a week later I feel like I'm backsliding. It is very frustrating. Gael or anyone else - did you experience changes from week to week where it wasn't always gradual improvement?

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I had SEVERE shortness of breath and asthma where I had to use an inhaler. It went completely away when I started tx parasites. Can't remember the timeline, but it was sooner than later. The gurgling and especially the vibrating I believe are from the parasites being stirred up.

If you haven't experienced any dieoff via diarrhea after taking salt/c, you might want to consider increasing the dose a little.

How much are you taking? The getting better and backsliding feeling is part of the process. I do believe looking back that even when feeling this way, the infections were receding and dying.

The other thing I read is that the parasites are in approx 3 layers of tissues along with the eggs. It really is like peeling an onion.

tick,

Have you seen any parasites in the toilet? Also important to do enemas and you might want to consider colonics.

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
tick battler -- Yes, I do sometimes feel like I am moving forward, then falling back. I wish it was just a gradual improvement day by day, but it is not. When I look back, I can say wow I am soooo much better. But on the bad days, I feel like I can slip back into the ditch.

Hang in there. The good days will circle back around.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Gratitude, I think your doc is closely scrutinized by his idiotic state medical board. I was surprised to get a script recently of just once per week of iver as well. This forces me to treat on my own too.

[ 03-06-2013, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
You can order Ivermectin from a pet supply place I believe. It is cheaper. There are others on here that know where to order and the appropriate dosages for humans. Hopefully they will come by here and post the info.

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Hi Gael-

I stopped the salt for a about week or so when I got my tooth out. They gave me abx & I didn't want to take too much stuff.

Anyway, I'm back on the salt/C. I take it as per dowsing. I took 1/2 tsp in the afternoon & 1 tsp this evening. I get different doses on different days. I feel a little off focus lately - so maybe I'm not concentrating enough?

I have been having terrible joint pain. I was just wondering if this could be the parasites trying to get away. I don't recall if it started when I started the salt/C or not but I think it did occur around that time. The joints are my 2 shoulders & both of my hips. Maybe the parasites are hiding out there trying to get away? It's like they are going to the edges of my torso.

I know is sounds a bit weird but it does seem plausable. I've been going crazy trying to figure out what is causing this joint pain. I never had it before. It started in Dec or Nov. last year I think.

I have not seen any obvious parasites elsewhere - like toilet or skin...

Also - I'm just wondering what dosage everyone is doing. I think for my weight, I'm supposed to be doing 3 TBS but I'm a bit dyslexic & I might have gotten it mixed up. Is this a "normal" dosage to be aiming for. I haven't been able to do more than about 1-2 tsps per day as per dowsing.

I'd like to try to stay focused here with this. Somehow, I've been getting distracted with other protocols & maybe I should really ride this out to see if my joint pain really is some kind of parasite...? I was thinking it might be heavy metals, inflammation, EMFs, menopause, hormones, arthritis or some other issue.

Gael - I know you always say to stick with the salt/C... What do you think? You are a woman of wisdom.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
PS - you can get ivermectin here - http://www.horse.com/wormers/rotational-paste-gel-and-pellets/724/

The proportions for horses is the same as for humans - you take it by weight. There's a syringe on the tube & you dispense it as per the weight.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Also - I wanted to add that some use oil of clove, oregano & thyme to bust biofilms. There also is a well known doctor who recommends oil of clove for bartonella. I haven't seen any studies about these uses, though.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Sorry - another post - just checked into Para Cleanse... $69 for a month supply! I'd stick with the Parastroy. I think Parastroy is better judging from the ingredients (even if they were both the same amount of money)... Just my opinion.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hi sparkle,

About your joint pain,(common to Lyme sufferers)the infections seems to settle in the joints and are probably parasitic in nature.

When I went higher on my salt/c and herbs, small scabs emerged from my wrist joints and I had a bullseyes appear on each elbow with little bumps of what later came out as scabs and infection.

Remember the parasites do carry bacteria, so it's a combo deal. Also, the salt goes after bb and cysts according to lymestrategies.

As far as dosing of salt/c, I worked my way up to 4tsp a day in divided doses.(20gms( I am only 5'3" and 125 lbs, so didn't follow the weight suggestion.

Not suggesting anyone go that high, but that's what I did. I backed way down after a few yrs to about 1-2 tsp a day according to how I felt and what I needed.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Just wanted to say, I also took lots of Super Digestaway by Soloray which contains ox bile and pancreatin along with papaya and bromelein etc. Antiparasitic as well.

Extra Cloves, about 6-8 caps a day. Parastroy, (sometimes adding Hanna kroeger Wormwood Combo to the mix)

Betaine HCL, coconut oil, coconut water, kefir and cooked with lots of antiparasitic herbs and spices.

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks Gael. I took 1 tsp salt/C this morning. I think I reached bowel tolerance of the C. Do you eventually get over the diarrhea from the C so you can increase the dosage?

My Igenix test was really on the very low side of being slightly infected with Bb. That's why I was never convinced it was actually Lyme. It may be other things? - what, I don't know. I do know I had/have some kind of parasite. I actually saw that at one point.

None of my tests were ever very conclusive of anything & I had alot of testing done.

It took me a long time to get to being able to tolerate any salt/C. I'll add the other things you mentioned gradually. Can you post the per weight suggested ratio? You may have posted it & I missed it. I did find one on another website but it may have been wrong. 3 TBS is 9 tsps a day. That seems like alot.

I'm feeling kind of weird today & I got it up to about 2 tsps per day as of now.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
sparkle, that is a lot of salt! 1/4 tsp = 1 gram. So if you were having 3 TBS, that would = 12 grams per day! You want to try and keep the vitamin C amount the same as the salt. And you want to make sure you are taking unrefined salt.

Maybe you should slow down a bit.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
I'm currently taking 1 tsp about 2 times a day. I read somewhere that I should try to get to 3 TBS per day as per my weight. I don't think that is correct. That's why I was hoping someone could post the formula. I think it goes by weight.

I dowse everything - so some days I take more than other days. I was taking 1/2 tsp, 2 X a day. I want to get to my maximum eventually but I'm not sure what that should be.

I know I reached bowel tolerance of C since I have diarrhea today. I can't do this all the time, though. I have to go out & do stuff. Kind of hard getting stuck on the Long Island Expressway when you have to use the bathroom...
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
PS - thanks dbpei. I know about the salt. I used to take Real Salt but I switched to the pink Himalayan crystal salt.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I misunderstood, Sparkle. Below is a quote from the E book regarding dosage:

"A person can Scale-Up to taking 1 gram of salt and 1 gram of Vitamin C per every 12-15 lbs of body weight. For example, if a person is 180 lbs, the maximum measure could reach would be 12-15 grams each per day.

If a person is 140 lbs, the maximum measure would be 9-11 grams each per day, and so on.

It must be noted, though, that many have done extremely well with consistent application of a lesser amount for their body weight (such as 5, 6 or 8 grams of each per day). This can be a personal choice depending upon personal
observation of benefits seen during application."
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks dbpei! So, 1 tsp = 4 grams approx. I guess I had the wrong info about 3 TBS. I was really wondering how I was going to work up to that...
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
1 tsp of salt equals approx 5 grams. I agree it's a personal choice as to what dose and benefits you experience.

sparkle,

9 tsp is WAY TOO MUCH!! As I stated above, I worked up to 4tsp in divided doses through the day, but not recommended for everyone.

I am back to a maintenance of 1 tsp a day if that. If you are feeling weird, you are probably herxing, and I would hold off until your symptoms calm down even if it means skipping a day.

The diarrhea as explained on the original lymephotos site is from die off. I use to welcome it.

Be on the lookout for critters when this happens. Also drinking coconut water is a good idea to balance out electrolytes.

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks Gael. Do you think the diarrhea can be from the vit C in itself? People do reach bowel tolerance - same as with magnesium...
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
It can be from the vitamin C, but when I experienced it early on, I always saw critters in the toilet.

I think bowel tolerance is about 10-15 gms, but there are other factors involved, such as toxicity as too how much is tolerated.

The salt will also cause evacuation from the parasites dying. I aways did a warm water enema even with the diarrhea, and saw even more parasites emerge.

Personaly, I always felt flushing the colon of toxins has to be a good thing.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Sparkle, dental work brought on joint pain for me.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Joint pain in my daughter was caused by rheumatoid arthritis, which did not show up on blood work but did show on EDS testing. Our practitioner says she feels RA is always caused by EBV, which also showed high levels in my daughter. Our practitioner had a bad case of EBV and terrible bone on bone arthritis coming from it 15 years ago and that is how she got into the business of EDS testing - she used it to figure out her issue and then completely healed herself.

We worked on getting rid of the EBV in my daughter and her pain went away. She had to miss over a month of school in the fall because she could not walk. She is back to playing tennis again now.

tickbattler
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks everyone! I posted some info about joint pathogens & dental issues on another thread. I can post it again if people are interested.

I don't think that's what it is because I had it prior to getting the tooth removed. I had 2 teeth removed last year. I was OK up until last October or Nov... I thought I was going through menopause but it turns out that I'm not yet... (LOL). They say you can get joint pain from that, too.

I think it effects alot of people judging by how big the supplement section for it is at the vitamin store.

I will try a enema. I didn't see any parasites but it doesn't mean they aren't there...

Interesting about the EBV. My test results were low but I did have CFS when I was in my 20s. My test results were low or a non issue back then, too. I did get completely well back then. It took me a few years but I did it.

My doctor said that most people have it these days. He said my more recent test was nothing to be concerned about. This was back in 2006 or so. It may be a factor if I do some energetic testing, though...

Gael - I didn't want to think this was a herx but it may just be that. It feels like a stomach virus. I was feeling kind of hot but not quite a fever. Classic herx stuff... I think you are right. If it is a herx - I'm really happy about that! It means that the salt/C is working!!!

I'll let everyone know what happens. It's pretty interesting from a medical standpoint. Joint pain is no fun.

PS - tick battler - did your practitioner say what she did for the EBV? Just curious...
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
There are a couple of products that test well against EBV and other viruses but nothing completely remedies it on her machine except the imprinted drops (frequencies put in a drainage remedy similar to a mild rife effect).

Lysine is very helpful as is a product called Total VirX. BioPure's Viressence is also helpful. American Neutriceuticals' I plex is anti imflammatory and tests well against RA and EBV.

My daughter was on all of these (along with rife treatments) and still is except for the Viressence - you don't need that if you are taking Total Virx. It still took 2 months to get rid of the RA.

tickbattler
 
Posted by tmcm (Member # 23249) on :
 
For the first time in 3 years, I think we are on track to improve health! My wife has been on the salt c for 3 wks at 1/4 once per day. She did her first ennema and (sorry if this is TMI)

lots of clear strands (straw like)in her stool and mucus. Later she passed something large flat clear looked to be 6-10 inches. The texture reminds me of a jelly fish!

No way this is a normal bowel movment!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
That's GREAT news tmcm! Just keep going you are on the right track. You are right when you say you are on the right track.

You might want to consider adding some antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy or Humaworm. Thanks for posting and please keep us informed.

Gael
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
tmcm - I'm curious - did she do a coffee enema or just a warm water one?
Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
tmcm - that is great news! It's very empowering once you see the invaders leaving. I hope your wife starts to see improvements soon.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
tmcm - I think the jelly like stuff may be mucus. You see that alot with parasites. It can be a biofilm that protects them.

Thanks tickbattler! I'll give it some thought.

I'm still not sure that this is a herx. I think it might be a stomach virus. That norovirus has been going around this year. I used a really awful restroom at a gas station - I may have picked it up there...? or anywhere...?
 
Posted by PhillyLyme (Member # 26468) on :
 
So I started taking Paracid Forte - basically wormwood, Olive leave Black walnut Berbenine and Artemisinin.

I started with a full dose and then back off a bit...last night I took a full dose and this morning I had about 5 BM all very watery. Did not see any other than some white stuff which I think could be un digested almonds which I had on Thursday. There was a lot of water and almost nothing solid...

I also had a bad headache on the back of my head...not like the sinus stuff I am also dealing with...I hope this is indeed hitting some parasites and that I will soon see "evidence"
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm back on alinia and coffee enemas and feeling good. :)
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Happy to hear that you are feeling good Catgirl.

PhillyLyme,

Sometimes it can take a while before you see parasites. Just a note and that is usually the parasite cleanses have cloves to kill the eggs. Hanna Kroeger makes clove caps should you decide to add them. The white stuff is an indication that you are hitting something. Keep us posted

Gael
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
catgirl - I think I recall you started doing the coffee enemas recently...is there a post that gives the step by step on how to do this? I want to try it but I am very sensitive to caffeine!

tickbattler
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Hi tick battler - here are some of my coffee enema tips....based on some initial instructions I received from Dr. K's office:

- Use a French Press - holds the perfect amount (4 cups). Use 3 Tablespoons of ORGANIC coffee only (not decaf). Let cool.

- Use filtered water (not tap with chlorine).

- I only use disposable bags. I cannot be bothered with washing and reusing. You can buy them by the case on Amazon

- The goal is to work up to holding all 4 cups. But to start....take in about 2 cups and hold up to 15-20 minutes if you can (I can't hold nearly that long). Expel. Then take in the last 2 cups, hold and expel again.

Little helpful hints that I figured out that makes it quick and easy:
- Don't forget to close clamp before pouring coffee into bag (otherwise it will run right out.)
- Do enema on the bathroom floor (I lay down a towel, then place the little pad they give you on top.)
- I hang the bag on the middle hinge of the back of the door (it is the perfect height!)
- Over the tub, I take the cap off the hose and open the clamp to get coffee to come to the edge (to remove all excess air before beginning).
- Insert tube a few inches (if the coffee doesn't start flowing and you need to insert further, it's safe and no problem, you can go up to 10" or more.)
- Don't let coffee sit out too long because mold, etc. can start growing.

The first few times you may fumble a little here and there, but hang in there, you will get the hang of it very quickly, and will be happy you stuck with it. It is well worth the effort.

Happy cleansing!
Tammy
 
Posted by droid1226 (Member # 34930) on :
 
Is it so bad to just cook the coffee, filter it, and use a Fleet enema. Just replace the brine they have in it with your coffee? It takes a 1/4 of the time with the same result.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Tammy - thanks so much for the info! I don't have a french press so may have to just brew it the other way. And someone had mentioned to ma a while ago about pouring out the fleet enema bags like droid just suggested so I had bought a couple of those to try.

Do you have to lie on one side to put it in and turn to the other side? I thought that was important to get it to the liver?

I will get some of the disposable bags if all goes well.
Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
I'm not sure about that type of brewing and any chemicals that may be in the filter?? I'm sure some people do it this way tho...

I guess its okay to empty a fleet enema and replace with coffee. But I think they are difficult to use. The disposable bags hang and there is a tube that extends out....so with the bag hanging you have gravity helping the coffee to flow. And they are cheap....less than $1 each when you buy a case, which is what I do.

I've heard people say different things about laying on left side, then on your back, then onto right side. I've heard some others say it doesn't matter.....you can just lay on your back. I'd be curious to know if one way is better than another.

You can buy a French press at Bed Bath and Beyone (w/ 20%coupon:)
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Tick battler, I am very sensitive to caffeine as well, but just two tablespoons works too. I like to do 3 tablespoons per 8 cups of water. 4 real cups. The coffee maker measures out at a smaller cup size (6 oz).

I tried the french press but we are on a well, so it's a pain to clean up the coffee grinds, so I just use my drip coffee maker with unbleached coffee filters. Whole foods may sell some without chemicals too. I'm sure my plastic coffee maker has PBCs in it though, so there is that to consider.

I was so chicken to do these enemas. It took me almost a year to muster up the nerve to do them (lol). Tammy told me what to do (same instructions she provided above). It was easy peasy. Once you do them, you're hooked. I feel so much better for days.

Here is a link that has everything you need to know about coffee enemas:

link: http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=123126;p=0

[ 03-12-2013, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Tammy and Catgirl - thanks for the info. I am not a coffee drinker so never make it - can you just boil the coffee in a pan and then strain it with a filter or cheesecloth?

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Tick battler, I don't see why not.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
ok-i had to go off tx for awhile cuz my life got crazy. i was able to finish reading the salt c book and now have a question.

on here i thought it was ok to take salt /c 2 or 3 times a day with the salt being 1/4 tsp each time and the c being 1000mg each time

now i see in the book the plan is to take it 5-6 times a day...

when i take it 2x i keep running to the bathroom...within minutes of the c. how can you take it all day long like that? i dont think i could leave the house.

and if you take 1/4 tsp 5 times a day does that mean you have to take 1000mg c each time?

i can do a little but i dont think i can do that much...
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
I have recently begun to think vita c makes me ill. Is there any value in just taking the salt?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ip,

Do what you can tolerate and when and if you can, ramp up 1/4tsp at a time. The protcol calls for equal amnts. So you would take as much C as salt each time you take it.

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Ok, so things started to slow down (as far as sightings go) and I was thinking maybe I'm at the tail end of this thing. Well, NOT!!!!

I'm back on prescriptions. I just finished 4 days of Biltricide and didn't have much....just a few segments. Yesterday afternoon I started Ivermectin and this morning passed a 16" and 6", plus a few smaller ones. What the heck??!! I'm 10 months into treatment! How is this even possible?!?! Where the heck are these things hiding and how can they have survived several rounds of prescriptions and months of salt/c and herbs? I am dumbfounded. I hope there is an end to this infection.

Also, they don't seem to come out unless I've done a coffee enema the day before. I know I've said this before, but I think it bears repeating. I think coffee enemas are an extremely important part of this. If you are not familiar with this amazing therapy, google it. It does more than just flush out the dead bugs, it stimulates the liver/gallbladder to produce new bile so the body won't just keep recycling the old.

God help us all. This is one crazy journey.
 
Posted by soccermama (Member # 35101) on :
 
We all know we can get negative results from a stool sample.

My question is if a stool sample is unable to find parasites looking through a microscope, how are people able to see parasites in their stool? Is it because they are taking medications/herbs to kill them?

Also, once you are on antiparasitics, is it advisable to have a stool sample taken to get a more detailed idea of what you are killing and thus a more targeted therapy?
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
I don't know how stool samples are tested. I just know they are almost always negative. Maybe they take a small smear and look at a small amount and perhaps nothing is visible in that smear?

Mine are easy to spot....they are long and mature. There is no mistaking what they are. And for me, I don't see the need to test and pay money for something that is obvious. I am taking broad spectrum meds to cover all parasites.

Also, my doc does ART testing so he is able to know what I have and how to treat. I believe in this type of testing.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Gael and any others who have had success with salt/C:

Did you have a gurgly stomach and a lot of burping as symptoms BEFORE you started the protocol? Or do you know if you had giardia and/or other water borne parasites?

I feel my nervous system is improving with the salt/C and with rife treatments but my gut is gurgling constantly, as is my husband's and son's. I am hopeful that the salt/C will be able to kill the giardia or blastocystis or whatever parasite is causing this. I have been dealing with these parasites for 2 years which in the past affected mostly my heart and nervous system. Only in the past 6 months have I had bad gurgling in the gut and bad bloating.

Just hoping to hear that others had this symptom go away from salt/C!

tickbattler
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Tammy, are you feeling better since you started prescription parasite treatment? I am seeing my PCP tomorrow and I think they will give me prescription since she wanted to last time but I wanted to wait.

I just wondered if it makes a big difference for you or if you herx from it at all?

I imagine we will have to treat these things for the rest of our lives! I'm trying to think of it the same way I think of how I treat my dogs- if I don't suspect an active infection, we still do maintenance de-wormer at least every 6 months because we just expect that they will be exposed.

And the vet always gives us meds whether the test is positive or negative- so I think these tests are just worthless all around- even for animals.

All of this has been really mind blowing for me! I've spent so long thinking of myself as different from any another animal/host because I'm a human being. It's still so shocking. But it's also so crazy to me now that I'm treating parasites that I ever thought that I was safe from parasitic infection because I bought into the whole "we are too clean to have parasites" thing! It's so wild isn't it?

Also, I'm becoming more open to trying coffee enemas based on what you and other people are saying- I've been scared because I don't know how to do them but I've been reading some amazing things about them- there are a couple of treatment centers that use them as and people rave about it! So thank you for sharing about them- getting ready to brave up and try soon!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Tammy,

Good news that more of these invaders are being fetted out of hiding.

It's amazing that with all of the meds and salt/c that there are still more there. I experienced an exodus of larger parasites for quite some time.

Just can't remember the time frame. Believe it or not after six yrs, I am still occassionaly seeing very small worms.

I think given the fact that some of these parasites lay 200,000 eggs a day and times that by years, it's not a mystery why some of the eggs left can hatch. That's why it's Imperative to stay on antiparasitics FOREVER as Hulda Clark suggests.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
tickbattler,

I didn't have gurgling because at the higher doses (I did 4tsp in divided doses 4 x a day) it created a flush and evacuation.

Not suggesting you have to go that high, but you might want to increase the doses until you experience an evacuation. I also sipped on extra water all day which helped.

Coconut water is also good to balance out the electrolytes because it is high in potassium and other minerals.

The gurgling is probably because the salt/c is disturbing things, but not enough to cause a bm. How much salt/c are you and your family doing?

Gael
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Hi Gael - the gurgling was BEFORE I started salt/C...I'm pretty sure it is from the giardia or blastocystis or other water borne parasites....which are not the same as the helminths. It does increase a little bit after taking the salt/C but it is there even when I'm not on the protocol.

So that's my concern....will the salt/C work on these awful things?!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The salt/c should work on any parasite. What is the dose of salt/c you are on? You may have to blast these suckers with a combo of both herbs and higher doses of salt/c. I combined Parastroy with Hanna Kroeger Wormwood, extra cloves and plant enzymes at one point.

Gael
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I have been getting to close to 2 tsp/day. Do you think that is sufficient?

Thanks!
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
Is there any benefit doing just salt if you don't do well with the c? Anybody?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
TB,

It depends on how much you are herxing. If you are not herxing too hard, you may want to increas it a little and also add some antiparasitic herbs.

Have you seen anything exit lately because that is very telling.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
gigimac,

Sea salt is avery benficial antibacterial and antiparasitic. Wondering why you think you don't do well on the C because if you mix the sea salt and c in a glass, how would you know?

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
I skimmed through the e-book about the salt/C protocol. I think it's important to read it. It states the guidelines to doing the protocol which is important. I was just trying to wing it without reading it. It does give a bit more focus to the whole protocol.

gigimac - maybe you could e-mail the author of the guidelines? I keep forgetting his name - maybe someone else can post it.

I also found this -
http://www.lymediseaseresource.com/New_Salt_Protocol.html

Also- I was having bad joint pain. It started around the time, I think I may have been beginning to go through menopause. I stopped having periods for a few months but then they started again.

Last night I got my period again. I'd say my joint pain is significantly less today - like 75% less. I believe that joint pain can be hormonal in women around menopause.

I'm not 100% sure this is why I'm having joint pain now. This is very new for me. I've been ill for many year & it just started a few months ago. It started, coincidentally, around the time I started doing the salt/C protocol.

I'm posting this because we have to be careful about assuming X-Y-or Z is causing our symptoms. We don't know for sure since many tests are not accurate.

I'm going to study how female hormones affect the joints further. Just my observation for now.

I believe that parasites co-exist with living things on this planet. Plants, fish, mammals, people all seem to have them. They have always been there. The issue is to keep them in balance.

The new parasites we are dealing with may have been genetically modified. If they are causing us problems - we have to look at long term solutions that we can implement on a daily basis.

Just my observation & opinion.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
HI Gael,
I have not seen much and am taking the paracleanse product - it is a 3 month protocol. I plan to do a coffee enema if I can get some time to myself! (Son is home-bound right now and daughter does half day kindergarten). I bet I will see stuff after the enema because I know it's there!
Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
daynise - I do well with the parasite prescriptions. No horrible herxes. I feel a little off when I start new meds, but not horrid. I'd say go for it. And yes, it is wild, hard to believe that we have these things to deal with. (I still can't wrap my head around it sometimes.) Go for the coffee enemas. Believe me, you will come to LOVE them. No kidding. They are hugely beneficial.

Gael - Thanks, yes, I know you are right....it's good they are coming out. But to hear you still see some things after 6 years, that freaks me out!! Holy cow! But good to know, I guess. As a reminder that we ALWAYS have to stay on top of this. What a freaky persistent infection. Sheesh.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Sorry if TMI, but you folks are basically the only ones I can share this with. Today's update from this morning: - 20" and 14". I just topped my own record. Pretty stunned here.

Currently on Ivermectin. The meds are powerful. No doubt about it.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I agree with Tammy, coffee enemas are awesome.

Tammy, I can't believe you are sill passing huge creatures! I know they are blocked inside of me. It's just going to take some persistent treatment for me (and getting rid of metals).
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
oh my gosh Tammy! You must be making some good headway with your Ivermectin!

My PCP is making me do a stool sample to get meds. Uggh. I asked why if the tests are unreliable and she said the test I'm doing is good and she wants to do it so they can give me the right medication for the right parasites.

Whatever. If the test fails and I can't get the prescription meds, I'll keep killing these things with the things I'm already taking.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Catgirl - I think it's best to do the coffee enemas daily. I think that's what keeps things moving with regularity. I also think that is what has allowed me to withstand such strong ongoing treatments.

Daynise - A test can't hurt, but you can't really put much weight in it. There are several good broad-spectrum meds out there that can attend to many different species.

How is your tinnitus btw? I've been thinking of you. I hope it went away as quickly as it appeared.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Hi Tammy- my tinnitus is not bad. It comes and goes, but my hearing hasn't gone away again but once more. Thanks for asking!

My ND thinks it could be my adrenals so he had me do a saliva test. I just sent that on Monday.

Today I have a catscan with contrast (both IV and oral) and I'm so scared I'm going to react or something to the Barium.

I made them read me all the ingredients in it and the ones I could drink at home had artificial sugar so I told them hell no. LOL. No way I'm risking my thrush getting worse or feeding these parasites! So now I have to go there 2 hours early and drink the water based one in the office.

My PCP still is looking for a tumor because I'm down a total of 45lbs in 5 months. I'm scared but it's ok. I think one catscan after all this is reasonable but I'm not going to be surprised if it doesn't show anything. It could all be due to parasites- kind of hoping it is actually...
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Take a lot of binders to help yourself capture the Barium and radiation. I think chlorella would be a good choice. I would take about 15 or 20 three times per day before meals. This will also be good for the radiation exposure from the catscan.

And maybe right after the catscan take some charcoal. I think if you cover yourself well with binders for several days, everything will be fine.

I know weight loss can be scary....and 45lbs is a lot... but since you know you have parasites, that could very well be the cause. I lost almost 20 lbs. Have only regained about 5-7. Hoping to put more on.

Let me know how your testing goes. Will be thinking of you.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
daynise, good luck with all of your testing. I will look forward to your posts about how it all went and any results you can share. You are a trooper!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Tammy, and Gael (earlier post I missed).

Daynise, I dropped a ton of weight quickly too. It was parasites. Allopathic docs are so slow to get this. They can't explain what's happening to patients like us so they search for everything but parasites. I guess they just don't realize that first world countries have parasites too.
 
Posted by sideways (Member # 34352) on :
 
Forgive me if this has been posted somewhere in the thread. I have eye issues and just can't read that much to find what I'm looking for.

Where do you start with treating parasites? I haven't gone after parasites at all. I did just start artemicinin for possible babesia. (my lyme doc isn't sure if I have it) I know the art goes after parasites.

But where does a newbie start?

TIA. [Smile]
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
A good way to start is with Humaworm or Parastroy, in addition to taking sea salt and buffered powdered vitamin c (these are to be taken in equal amounts). To start, I would just begin with 1/4tsp each, in a full glass of water. I take mine before breakfast and before dinner.

Some people work up to very high doses of the salt/c. You can just bump up in 1/4tsp increments and see how you do.

IMO you really need to add the salt/c in order for the herbs to work their best. On their own, they don't do much for me. But with the salt/c, it becomes a very effective combo.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Thank you dbpei! Things went ok today- and I'll be sure to share what the results are!

Catgirl, I know!! They can't believe anyone in first world countries could be infected. It's so crazy to me- we are all animals- parasites don't pick and choose their hosts based on the hosts' belief that they are above it. LOL.
 
Posted by carolann2013 (Member # 39964) on :
 
I have a small question.

I had to lay off of the salt/c (because of swelling) but I am taking Parastroy. Been taking it almost three weeks now.

Has anyone that has taken either salt/c or Parastroy, seen anything that looks like dark dark (almost black) oval things about the size of a miniature jelly bean and also the shape of a miniature jelly bean?

I don't know what they are. They are about half the size of a jelly bean and so dark brown that they are almost black.

Always the same size and shape. And they are hard, almost like a rock.

Whatever they are, I am loaded down with them.

I have looked up all kinds of pictures and nothing looks like them.

They are solid and hard.

Any suggestions on what they might be?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Eggs?
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
My son and daughter are taking salt/C with Caprasite, an herbal parasite treatment. Since starting it, they both complain of hearing sensitivity. Has anyone experienced this as a herx reaction? Can you attribute it to parasite die off?

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
TB,

I always noticed an increase in hearing sensitivity when I was herxing. The parasites can invade the head and ear canal, so it made sense for me when I experienced this symptom as being from dieoff.

A few yrs into having parasites exit, I had a dried out parasite emerge from my ear drum.

I know it sounds yucky, but then so is this disease. Sorry if TMI. Hope your kids do well on the antiparasitics and salt/c. Have they noticed anything exit yet?

Gael
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Gael,
Thanks so much for the reply. It helps to hear that may be the cause. My son still has the hearing sensitivity right now even now after not being on the Caprasite for a few days. (2 weeks on, 1 week off and so on, is what was recommended). But he is still taking the salt/C so maybe that could be doing it. Or perhaps just stirring up the parasites has caused this symptom to emerge. My daughter also has whooshing in the ears. Did you have that too?

The only thing I have seen with my son is small rice like things after he takes Vermox, which is supposed to hit pinworms. We did a course of that recently.

Wow - from the ear drum...that is amazing.

Did you get headaches too? My kids have had an increase in headaches.

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Yes, you can get headaches. Warm water enemas could help calm down some of their symptoms and help release dead and dying toxins and parasites exit the lower colon.

The small rice like things could be tapeworm segments. Colonics are also suggested when do parasite cleansing.

Gael

[ 03-17-2013, 01:23 AM: Message edited by: glm1111 ]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Tick battler, this time of year (every year) I get ear issues. They seem to fill up with fluid. They also hurt inside and sometimes below the ear. Occasionally, I get that whooshing in my ears too. This is also the time of year when vertigo has hit me in the past (fluid).

I don't think what your son and daughter are experiencing is from salt c. The ear and sinus issues happened to me when I was on nothing. Last year I wasn't on salt c and it still happened. I think it's a weather, outdoor trees, dried grasses, molds type of thing. It could also be because the combination of the caprasite and salt c are stirring up the parasites.

I've also had a pink throat almost all winter (sinuses draining, dry air inside house). Maybe this is the cause of my ear issues.

Headaches started two days ago for me as well. It could be the lunar cycle or just the change in weather.

The hearing sensitivity could be a flare. Detoxing should help. I would at the very least stick with the salt c as it's only going to help dry the fluids. The caprasite sounds like it was doing its job.
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
glm1111
"small rice like things could be tapeworm segments"

I'm glad I read this today because that's exactly what I saw today floating at the top. Groos I know. But now I'm excited that something is finally happening.

So is this salt/C protocol known to give people the big D right away? Kinda what's happening to me.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
jlcd,

Yes you can get diarrhea even at low doses from dieoff. I got it on the second day of starting salt/c at 1/4tsp a day.

However, I was on antiparasitic herbs which had been killing them and the salt/c just broke the back of the infection. If you can, add some antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy to the mix.

It adds a greater insult to the parasites and makes them let go. Glad to see you are making progress, just keep going.

Gael
 
Posted by Ellen101 (Member # 35432) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by soccermama:
We all know we can get negative results from a stool sample.

My question is if a stool sample is unable to find parasites looking through a microscope, how are people able to see parasites in their stool?

I was wondering the exact same thing. Yrs ago when I had a stool test done it was able to identify a parasite. I was unable to see it. My LLNP said most are microscopic. I am scheduled to have another one done this week, curious if it will show anything.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Parssites are not always in the stool and not always easy to find. I don't know where doctors whether Naturopaths or MDs get the idea that most parasites are microscopic.

Myself and others have seen 6-20" worms exit after cleansing, along with other parasites such as flukes that are very visible.

I had EVERTHING pictured on www.lymephotos.com exit after extensive herbal and salt/c cleansing. They are as large as they are pictured.

There are of course some that are microscopic as well. I had numerous lab tests over the yrs that were negative, and I was loaded with parasites. Can't rely on the tests.

Gael
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Hello,

Wanted to jump in and ask a question. I started on a Pharma. protocol yesterday and am flat out in bed now.

I did full dose Biltricide X/3 yesterday and got very I'll. Vertigo,dizzy,vomtting, headache, sweats, chills, ringing in ears and scalp sensitivity. Completely sick...Woke in the middle of the night drenched in sweat and a throbbing headache. Is that normal after taking something like Biltricide?

I know some of these are side effects but also know it could be die-off. I am suppose to do one more day of Bilticide before moving on to the next med.

Can anyone who had taken Bilticide share their experience and/or tips on how to get through this? I have alot of detox things I could take but not sure what is the best for parasite treatment. This parasite thing is still pretty new to me. Thanks so much....DW
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
desertwind - it sounds more like die-off to me than side effects. Biltricide is definitely hitting something. If you have to pull back for half a day or so, do it. Then just resume when you feel strong enough. Next on your list I'm guessing is Ivermectin.

As far as detox, without a doubt I found daily coffee enemas to be the most helpful to me, by far. I've detailed out instructions above. The daily enemas have allowed me to handle all of the meds relatively easily. Maybe easily is not the word....but it made everything totally tolerable, where I am able to function fully every day (work, chores, etc.)

Hang in there.

jlcd1 - it sounds like you are making some good progress. Keep at it. When you add the herbs, don't be surprised that you will likely see the worms come out.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Thanks Tammy. I cannot believe how sick I feel from Bil.! I took my morning dose and within 30 minutes had another episode of vertigo and dizziness. I also have a metallic taste in my mouth and I know for sure that is not a side effect. This stuff scares me.

I may just do modified dosage today. Yes, next in line is Ivermectin. I will look into the enemas. TThanks.,,DW
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
desertwind--reduce dosages!

I herx, and get 'results' on every pharma anti-parasite med I've tried. I had ONE bad experience like yours, when I took the standard dose of albendazole and got extremely sick.

Lesson learned! Now I take a TINY dose of a new med until I see how I respond, then up the dose a little. If you are seeing dead parasites, then that's good, it's working. If you stop seeing them, try increasing the dose a little.

I did very well with Biltricide. The first day, I took only 1/4 tablet (150mg) and the next day I was seeing strands in the toilet. This dose didn't give me any problems, so the next day I took 1/2 tablet (300 mg), just once. This resulted in more evidence, so I knew it was working.

I took this small dose once per day for a total of ten days. I would have continued but didn't have a refill prescription. The whole time, I was killing critters.

Don't feel you have to take the prescribed dosages! The PDR recommendations are not appropriate for people as sick as we are!

As far as the toxic symptoms, enemas help a lot. I do just a saline enema and feel a lot better from it.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Sillia-Thanks...

I am a med light weight and have always started very low on most things. I am 118lbs. and was dosed 1200 mg.s x3 /day. So yesterday, on my first day I took a total of 3600 mg.s (am I allowed to say that??!!??).

I did see strands in the toilet this morning so I suppose it is working, but I am going to back down and go slower. Thanks for the reality check.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Do you think the metallic taste is from the die off releasing metals into my system? Safe to take binders? Chlorella and clay a few hours after my dose of meds?

How do you all deal with this! Lyme treatment felt easier for me then treating parasites. DW
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
desertwind,

The metallic taste could be from releasing heavy metals. Not sure if binders interact with meds, maybe some else will know, or you could google it.

Parasite tx is not easy because these invaders put up a fierce fight. You can google, foods that act as binders. Example, mashed potatoes.

Try and stay focused on the end result to better health, and know that you have uncovered the enemy. This is not an easy battle, but one you can win!!! Just keep going [group hug]

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
desertwind - I definitely think metals are being released (in addition to viruses, bacteria, fungi, etc.)

Definitely take binders. My doc has me take them during treatment. It's very important. Bedtime for sure, but also see if there is another time in your day that you can fit it in.

That is a very high dose, btw. I think Dr. K recommends half that (600mg 3x per day).

Feel better.
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
The toxins released from the parasites when they die produce ammonia in your body. It may help you to take some L-Ornathine. It helps with the ammonia.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
That is a really high dose (maybe why you feel so bad). Once you kill parasites you are left with all the metal, which also makes you feel bad.

Tammy's right, there is a whole slew of things that were living quite happily in and around the parasites. The best way to get them out is with binders.

I would take them 3 hrs after meds. This gives the meds a chance to stay in the body longer. I found with 2 hrs it weakens my abx and my pain returns.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Thanks so very much for everyones replies. My LLMD always goes on the high side of dosing and I typically have problems with that. Same thing for Mepron and my liver went downhill. I am pretty light and react to small dosed of meds.

My last day of Biltricide I did half the dose.

I felt great yesterday on Ivermectin - a smile on my face the entire day and had amazing mental and emotional clarity! Brought tears to my eyes to recall what real normal feels like. Was short lived.

I took pinx last night and could not sleep and had a lot of sweats. This morning my head/scalp neuralgia is back along with the dreaded ear ringing. Guess I have a long way to go with this.

I am taking Byron White Detox 2 powder. It has 10 different types of binders with 2 being clay. I like chlorella but am very sensitive to sulphur/sulfa products so cannot take a lot of it.

The metal taste has gone away but I am going to push my LLMD for ideas on more binders.

My goal is to make living in my body as unpleasant as possible for those uninvited creatures! Thanks again for all the valuable info! DW
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
desertwind - I feel good on Ivermectin also. I know what you mean. Maybe ask your doc if you can hold off on the Pinx and just do Ivermectin for now. Killing parasites takes a long time, and we need to do several rotations of meds. Maybe when your load is down, your reaction won't be quite so bad and you will be in a better position to handle the combo.

Regarding Biltricide and that funny taste in your mouth....I forgot, and am just reminded now, I had a funny taste with it also. But not with the other meds. Interesting.

I hope you have another 'normal feeling' day:)
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
desertwind, have you tried diatomaceous earth? It must be food grade. I have been using 1 T per day in a big glass of water and it is great! It is supposed to be a wonderful binder and also anti-parasitical. It keeps you regular and has so many health benefits.

http://diatomaceous.org/
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
Another binder question--does anyone find that bentonite clay (liquid) kills parasites???

I tried this bentonite (half the dose listed on the bottle) and it gave me herx symptoms, which I was not expecting. Then WADS of small white critters the next day. I took it 3 days in a row and then got pretty sick so have backed off for now. Later I will try it at a lower dose, I guess.

I was expecting this would help me feel better, not worsen the symptoms! It's almost funny...

I take charcoal during the night, and most mornings take DE. I have so much trouble herxing (abx and parasite meds) that I thought I should try adding another binder in the mid-afternoon.

How do others respond to bentonite???
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Why do some of us feel better on Ivermectin? Which parasite does that treat?

I am only on a week long protocol and KNOW I need to go at this much much longer. I have done herbs off and on for a little while but feel a huge shift from the meds.

I will see if my LLMD will keep me on the Iver. for a longer time.

Thanks for the link on the dia. earth. I just placed on order for a one month supply. The only thing I take now is the Byron White Detox 2 and I am not sure which clay is in that formula.

Interstingly I am at my office and usually have a pretty strong chemcial reaction but today and since started on the Parasite meds I am not having my typical MCS reaction. Guess its all inter-related. Thanks for all the info! DW

[ 03-21-2013, 03:37 PM: Message edited by: desertwind ]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
desertwind,

If you have to go back on the herbs at some point, adding salt/c packs a much greater punch to the mix. Also adding cloves and digestive enzymes help.

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Sillia - yes, I remember my doc out at Dr. K's clinic said that Bentonite Clay is anti-parasitical.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Great - yes, I cook alot with cloves but wondering if the heat destroys the benefit of the herb. I was taking a combo tincture that had cloves in it. I always felt so sick on it.

Do you guys get bloated/retain fluid from the salt/c combo?

I take digestive e.'s with meals and in between meals so I will keep on that as well.

Looking forward to trying out the Sillia..I think!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I never retained water while doing salt/c and I did very high doses (20gms) I did get some bloating and diarrhea due to die off.

Gael
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
Do you think it's OK to take salt/c with food. Every time I take it without food I have horrible nausea and diarrhea the entire day. But I'm also on malarone, zith and valtrex. Thanks for all your help.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Are you mixing the salt and c in a glass of water, or are you taking it in capsule form? If mixing the salt and C in a glass of water, you can sip it through the day instead of gulping it down. That way you can stop it if you are experiencing nausea.

Gael
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
yes i mix it in a glass of water and gulp it down. I'm only at 1/4 tsp twice a day, and I'm scared to up it. So when you sipped it through the day did you take your sips on an empty stomach or just whenever.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Mostly on an empty stomach because I was not eating that much. The dose you are on is fine and if you have extreme nausea, it could be from dieoff and you can skip a dose until it calms down.

Pace not race is the best way to go. Might be a good idea to do some warm water or coffee enemas to release dead and dying toxins and parasites.

Gael
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
I, like Gigi, would like to know how to do the protocol if one has trouble with Vit C.

Some folks that have, for example, Interstitial Cystitis can not handle Vit C.

Very irritating to the bladder.

I don't know if in any way the salt part would help offset that?

I have some sea salt. Also some Sodium Ascorbate.
The SA is supposed to be less irritating. ?

I have not taken it in awhile. Perhaps I had trouble with it as well.

I did read on "Jenna's blog" where she came up with an alternative. ie using something like Apple Poly (?) i/o Vit C.

Thoughts? I very much want to try the Salt/C protocol.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Susan,

Perhaps it's just the vitamin C by itself that was irritating to your bladder. Maybe a buffered C like Ester C in powder form would work.

I do believe that IC is from infection of parasites. I had them exiting my bladder early on. I would try mixing some salt and C at a very low dose 1/4tsp once a day and drinking extra water. Just sip, not gulp it down.

Parasites can cause a lot of pain. Also the adjunct of antiparasitic herbs works well with the salt/c. I say, give it a shot.

Gael

[ 03-22-2013, 01:54 AM: Message edited by: glm1111 ]
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
Thanks for all the help. I am doing mimosa pudica with the salt c for now.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this back up for biscotta to review.


Gael
 
Posted by dyna3496 (Member # 39855) on :
 
MMS, for real or not?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I took MMS for a long time when I was doing Dr. Robert Youngs Alkalizing program and buying his greens to mix with the MMS.

Didn't touch my infections. Not sure if it's the same premise that GiGi's talking about and mixing it with something else like citric acid.

Salt/c makes more sense in that it is a healing agent as well as a killing agent. MMS which is essentially chlorine is a different ballgame from what I read.

Gael
 
Posted by Thewino (Member # 39086) on :
 
Hello all,

I've been through rounds of Ivermectin and Albentza. I have been reading this thread off and on with a fair amount of curiosity. The past week, I again developed some stomach distension, nausea, and reflux.

Because of the successes on this board, I tried a coffee enema today (organic coffee, filtered water, non-bleached coffee filter).

I have a few questions if anyone has the interest or time to help. First, does anyone add any supplements or herbs to the enema?

Secondly, I went at least two feet up for the enema (some have suggested here that this benefits the liver and gallbladder) and when I got a little more than a quart in my system, my body simply couldn't handle any more enema liquids and I had to evacuate what I had taken in within two minutes.

Does one's body become used to this task and can one train themself to accept these amounts of liquids and also train themself to hold the enema liquids for at east ten minutes?

I thought it would be easier than this but my body cannot hold much liquid nor can it hold the enema for very long.

Does it get easier?

Thank you very much,

Thewino
 
Posted by gigimac (Member # 33353) on :
 
I have been doing very low dose salt c (found different brand of c) and I noticed my bm looks different like yellow and then today after doing an enema last night I noticed tons of these little green stones.

I usually try to notice what is coming out and I have never seen these before. If I hadn't heard someone on here mention gallstones I wouldn't have known what they were. Is salt c supposed to do this, is it normal? Does it mean I have a gallbladder problem?

Sorry I have just never seen these before and never considered this an issue. It was quite surprising.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Just FYI- full moon is today. Farmer's Almanac calls this one the "Full Worm Moon." Fitting, eh?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
It feels like it. I couldn't sleep last night.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
someone asked for this so i wanted to post it here where it is easy to get:

The Parasite Paradigm: The Complex Paradigm of Lyme Borreliosis and Chronic Infections by Dr. JW

http://www.autismone.org/content/parasite-paradigm-complex-paradigm-lyme-borreliosis-and-chronic-infections-dr-jeff-wulfman
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
Horse wormers vs antiparasitic herbs - do they both hit the same things?

If not - in general - what would one hit that the other wouldn't and v.v. Thanks.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
So I demanded some meds from my PCP yesterday- started on Vermox last night and now I am seeing what looks like liver flukes!!! Unbelievable!

My stool test was of course negative- worthless LabCorp! But I told my doctor that I am tired of feeling so terrible and paying money for tests and appointments that go nowhere, so she agreed to let me do this Vermox- but only a 3 day run.

Where should I go from here when I'm done with Vermox?

I've only been taking Paragen, but it is not doing the trick. My ND wants me to try mimosa pudica but I'm wondering if I should just try Humaworm or Salt/C again?

Any suggestions or experiences? I'm still losing weight- more than 50 lbs now so I have got to get this under control!

Thank you!
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Take pictures to your PCP, and if you can, bring a sample in a jar.

I'd then request Biltricide for 3 days (400mg 2x per day). Then I'd ask for Ivermectin for 2 weeks (9mg 4x per day). I think that would be a good start. Continue taking pictures. Then you can go back and ask for more.

Ivermectin is a good broad-spectrum med and I think a lot of people feel good while on it. I do!
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
I would say whatever you do, DO take something that will keep hitting these suckers from different directions.

You can buy Vermox (mebendazole) otc--I got some on Amazon made in Italy, a little pricey but if you wanted to follow through it's an option. Somebody here knows where else to get Vermox, maybe they'll speak up or you can search online...

Fenbendazole is a very similar drug and some people have reported improvement on it. I think the vet version is called Safe-Guard. Usually vet doses are by weight so you can scale up or down as needed.

You have a lot of options. Just keep going with hitting them, however you do it!

I have been working my way through each of the rx meds and have just started Alinia. For most of these drugs, I have to take small doses or pulse because of herxes, so it's a slow process.

So far, EVERY anti-parasitical I have tried has produced visible results!!!!!!!
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Getting discouraged about treating parasites.

I've done:
4-5 months of salt/c
2 months BWH/wormwood/cloves
2 months diatomaceous earth
1 month 5-8 raw cloves garlic per day
a few pulses of oil of oregano
occasional papaya seeds and pumpkin seeds

No "evidence" and no particular improvements [Frown]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
VV,

The question is, how much salt/c have you ramped up to and is there Black Walnut Hull in your antiparasitics? I did 6 mos of strong antiparasitic herbs and didn't see a thing until I added the salt/c.

The herbs were killing the parasites, but it was the salt/c that made them let go. You might want to consider doing a stronger antiparasitc cleanse such as Parastroy and adding some cloves. I wouldn't give up on this avenue as yet.

Gael
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Gael,

I've been doing black walnut hull/wormwood/cloves for 2 months. The BWH is in tincture form and I do 2 droppers full 3x a day.

The salt/c I've been on is between 3-6g a day for 4 months. The anti-para herbs have been simultaneous with the salt/c for the past 2 months.

I have Parastroy but I don't like some of the ingredients.
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Thank you Silla and Tammy for your advice. I think I am going to get meds the animal route because my PCP says that besides this round of antiparasitcs, they don't know what else they can do for me and I need to find a specialist- I don't know if she meant parasitologist or what but I am out of money, so I'm going to do this on my own.

Yes, Silla it's been the same for me- no matter what I try I'm seeing results. But today- 2nd day of Vermox, my eyes and cheeks are starting to look less sunken in, so maybe rotating herbs and pharma drugs is the best way to go for me!

Thanks again!!
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
I think rotating is the best way for all of us to go....so these darn bugs don't become resistant. I just finished Ivermectin and Pyrantel. Next I'm onto Albenza. I'll be seeing my doc next week and will see what he suggests next. I'm thinking I should go back to herbs a while, but I'll see what he thinks.

I've done several rounds of all of these. And I do think switching it up has been good.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
VV,

You can order Humaworm and they can eliminate any ingredient you don't like. I would try a dry herb like Humaworm to see if that works any better.

Gael
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
Yes, I agree that switching or rotating antiparasiticals seems like the logical approach, and it feels like it works.

Not only do I see results with each drug, I should also add I see DIFFERENT results with each one. When I took Biltricide I saw a critter that I could hardly believe was a parasite, but I did find it on lymephotos...never saw that one with any of the other stuff. Now on Alinia, my third day, I saw a big critter I haven't seen yet in all these months. YIKES.

I will definitely cycle through these again. I am hoping that some of this killing will make taking albendazole easier later on--that one works for me too but I get herxes and have to keep to small doses.

Little by little, getting rid of them!
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
VV, are you taking digestive enzymes? When I remember to take these it seems to make quite a difference. I don't think the critters like these.
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
sillia,

I generally take enzymes with every meal.
I've been taking them for more than 6 months.
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
I'm also juicing, so I think I would get a lot of enzymes there too.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
VV,

Also forgot to mention that 3-6gms of salt/c is a very low dose, especially after that amnt of time. Consider increasing the dose 1/4tsp a day.

Mixing the salt and C in a glass of water is best. Also Ester C powder with bioflavinoids is preferred as opposed to capsules.

Anyone on salt/c should also eat foods high in potassium or drink coconut water that is also antiparasitic and high in potassium.

P.S. Have you considered doing some pharma meds such as Ivermectin?

Gael
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
VV, it sounds like you are doing a great job with all of your efforts. I'm sure it will pay off in the long run.

Gael suggests increasing the salt/C dose and that seems like it would really be worth trying at this point.

If you wanted to add any pharmaceuticals, how about pyrantel, available over the counter as PinX. It seems to be something most people tolerate well, it's kind of an easy one to take. You can do a trial for just a day or two to see if you get any results. I always tend to be cautious (I herx a lot) and take a smaller dose than it says on the package. This is something I take intermittently--again, more or less on the theory that surprising the buggers is a good idea.
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Maybe I'll try that PinX

Can't up the salt/c dose at the moment bc I started ozone therapy which makes antioxidants (Vit C) tricky to dose.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
ATTENTION EVERYONE:

Just found this on a site called Lymebusters. It is under the title "scab this is a newly discovered parasite"

It is described as a rope worm and it shows different stages with pictures and methods to get rid of it. I have seen people here and elswhere post pictures of this and have seen it myself.

It also describes "bubbles" that these worms emit. Worthwhile to check out. Make sure you go to Lymebusters Chat.

Gael
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
It took me quite a while to find this, so here's a link in case others are looking for it:
http://lymebusters.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=rash&action=display&thread=15704
 
Posted by OtterJ (Member # 30701) on :
 
I have a question, can you have a colonoscopy and not see these things? I know parasites could be in other parts of the body, but you would think a doc doing a colonscopy would see these things....
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I was loaded with parasites, but they were never seen on the colonoscopy I had. I suspect they hide in the mucosa of the intestinal lining.

Gael
 
Posted by daynise (Member # 39609) on :
 
Gael/Silla- Thank you. That link shows EXACTLY what I've been seeing. This is a new human parasite?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome! Thanks for posting that link Silla.

daynise,

I don't think this is a new parasite that I know of anyway. Maybe just one that hasn't been posted much. I did see it mentioned somewhere else, just can't remember where.

Gael
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
That is one disgusting looking creature. Did someone here really have one of those in their system?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Wow, thanks for posting Gael and Silla. I find this stuff fascinating!

I recently saw a Paul Chek dvd on parasites (Healing fungal and parasitic infections). His view was that parasites, etc., (even ticks) find their next host by the high infra red energy the host emits.

To the bugs, a less vital host is basically lit up like a christmas tree (easy for them to find). He also said that the bugs, microbes, parasites, etc are basically mother nature's way of recycling the weak. We need get ourselves back in balance.

[ 03-31-2013, 11:41 AM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Man dies of lung worms:

http://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20130320/man-dies-after-parasitic-worms-invade-lungs
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks for posting this link TuTu. I am pretty sure I had lung worms as I had severe asthma for over 40yrs. Antiparasitics and salt/c got rid of this infection for me.

I suspect most people dx with asthma and perhaps COPD have a lungworm infection. Don't understand why most pulmonologists are so in the dark about this infection. VERY disturbing to say the least.

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Thanks for posting about the Rope parasite above. I have passed hundreds of these adult rope worms and did not know exactly what they were. Now I know. (Disgusting....ugh.)

I have only seen the adult stage (many), and some on the 3rd stage....none of the others though. I have had tons of the fecal stones they mention.

Sometimes I worry.....am I ever going to be able to get rid of these things? I have been treating a very long time and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight. Feeling heavy on the topic at the moment.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Tammy,

YES!! you will get rid of them eventually. You have to remember that they have had a long time to infiltrate our body, laying eggs and larva and disseminating to other organs. The lymephotos site says it can take 3-5 yrs to get rid of this type of infection.

I haven't seen any big ones in several yrs at least. Started exiting in 2006)You will still have to get rid of the smaller ones and the eggs and larva. Kinda like peeling an onion.

Try and take extra cloves (Hanna Kroeger) as they do kill the eggs. The good news is that you have uncovered what was making you so sick and you are on the road to life...not death.

I know it can get frustrating, but just try and stay focused on the end goal. Remember, maintenance FOREVER as Hulda Clark suggests. You will get better and better.

Onward and Upward,

Gael
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I just wanted to share my recent experience with treating Parasites with a Pharma. protocol.

I have been "sick" with TBI's for close to 10 years...tried everything..this, that and the other but would always relpase. Finally after getting fed up with the abx. merry go round, I insited on testing and treating for Parasites.

Tested positive and recently treated with a week long regimine ( I know, I know not nearly long enough). I have dabbled with herbs over the past year or so and got a little benefit but nothing like I got from the meds.

I herxed like mad but then the haze cleared and I feel better then I can remember EVER feeling. I do believe, as so many of you do, that parasties ARE the missing piece. I know that I will be at it a long time and will need to repeat, repeat, repeat and add herbs back in etc.

I still do not know that my abx.s days are completely over but I do feel like I am on the right healing path and am getting ready for round two of treatment!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
[Smile] [Big Grin] [Smile] GREAT to hear desertwind. I am soo happy this is working for you! Thanks for sharing because it is soooo important for others to hear.

Gael
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
desertwind,

what were you positive for and what pharmas were used?
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Thanks glm111 - I certainly want to share my mini success!

Yes, I am excited yet realistic in that I need much longer treatment. But I am so very happy to feel like "me" again...I felt like the abx.s were not doing it for me and just made me feel sicker and sicker. Not a true herx where you feel BETTER after you feel sick. I think at this point the abx.s just fed my yeast which feeds my parasites..I am suppose to pulse my abx.s but for now decided to hold off for a bit longer.

VV; I was positive for Protozoa via Metragenix Stool test.

I used;

Biltricide for 2 days
Ivermecitin for 1 day
Pin-X for 3 days (was suppose to do 1 day but I did 2 extra days)
Alinia for 3 days.

I know alot of people do this protocol for a much longer period but I think my LLMD wanted to see how I responded before having me go on it for an extended period of time.

My nightseats are completly gone - vanished! I am not getting adrenaline rushes at night nor am I restless all night long. I feel like my body is mine again..I know sounds wierd but that is how it feels.

My TMJ and scalp/skull pain/neuropathy got about 75% better and continues to feel better. I do fear that will come back if I do not re-treat.

Anyway, so many of my lyme /TBI sx got better after just one week of parasite treatment.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Awesome, Desertwind!
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Thanks catgirl!
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Damn!

Desertwind, that is awesome that you have seen such quick benefits!
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Thanks for the pep talk Gael. Onward ho!

desertwind - that's an encouraging start. You are on the right path. Stick with it. I started to feel immediately better once starting parasite meds also.

I have to remind myself of all the great progress I have made. I am wayyyy better than I was....all thanks to parasite treatment (and good detox support). I am very grateful. I will not lose sight of this path.
 
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
 
As ivermectin did wonders to restore my health, I have to say parasites must have been an issue. I never saw anything suspicious in my stools so I thought it was mainly addressing the protomyxzoa, which is a blood parasite.

Now I am wondering if I have something else, like toxoplasmosis. I have always had cats so there is no doubt I could have been exposed to it and with a weakened immune system, it may have become active.

Ivermectin is a broad spectrum wormer but it does not hit everything. What else should I try? I read I could get albendazole from the feed store. Would that be a good start? Do I have to take fat with it? I can't tolerate fat because of the PR.
 
Posted by tmcm (Member # 23249) on :
 
Anyone have strange "poping" sound in their head while treating? My wife has been having this during a herx. Right now she is just doing salt/c 1/4 1x a day.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I just got some albenza. My doc said I needed to take it with fats.

Neff, maybe it's like malarone/meperon (supposed to take them with fats, but they still work without). Perhaps they may work better with it, but doubt the pharma company knew about protomyxzoa.

I don't think we need to take all the pharma companies recommendations so seriously. For example, I still got better even though I took doxy with foods high in calcium/magnesium (cheese, etc). It may have weakened the med, but the med still worked on me.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
nefferdun,

Maybe try pinx which is effective against pin worm and ascaris(roundworm) and can be purchased at the drugstore. Of course albenza is another option as are several other pharma meds.

Can't remember if you tried salt/c and antiparasitic herbs, but even if you have, I would give it another shot. The Ivermectin might have weakened some of the parasites and the salt/c could make them let go.

That's what happened with me after six mos of herbs. These invaders are masters at survival and it can take different strategies to kill them.

Gael
 
Posted by kaybabalima (Member # 40029) on :
 
Daynise: 200 ticks at once? Were you in a deer bed?
And yes Maya12 I've often told people that same thing about us being made of more bacteria and stuff than human cells and that the candida for example shout out: "eat more bread! Or cookies, yeah, we like cookies!"
I'm taking the A-P formula for parasites along with my A-L and A-Bab to get rid of the parasites. Seems to be working. I think I'm more sensitive to radiation and EMFs now so looking forward to Byron's next teleconference on that subject. But I have to just take care of one thing at a time. Like moving a mountain. One shovel at a time! Thanks for all the great info here. It really helps! Info is liberation!!!
 
Posted by Gratitude (Member # 31314) on :
 
I'm feeling so overwhelmed by all of this like many of us are. I broke down yesterday and I'm brushing myself off today.

In January I pulled a worm out of my nose and a couple days later coughed up another one. The first concrete proof of an infestation in the 10 years I've suffered. It all began with a sudden and very distended abdomen and constipation when I was 27. No Dr. ever treated me for it of course (just diagnosed me with IBS).

I showed the photos I took of the worms to my LLNP. She was shocked and fascinated and admitted that she, nor the LLMD she works under has experience treating for parasites. !! She only gave me a single dose of Ivermectin and said she doesn't want to treat further until she knows EXACTLY what the organism is. Though the test through Genova Labs showed nothing and of course I haven't seen another worm exit.

I'm at my wits end and I want to purchase all the pharma drugs I can online. I'm currently taking sat/c and Parastroy but at this point I really believe its going to take everything possible.

I realize it's risky to order meds online but these parasites are ruining my health and life. Can anyone direct me to places to purchase? I've been reading about Dr. K's protocol. I'd really like to have a Dr. work with me on this but I don't know who to turn to for help.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
If you are located near Philly, there is a Dr. that does the Dr. K. parasite protocol that a member here sees.

If you can't find one near you, I would say just continue with the Parastroy and salt/c. You can increase the Parastroy to 3 each 2 x a day after the 3rd week and increase the salt/c.

Also add extra cloves Hanna Kroeger)to kill eggs and larva. Maybe others will come along and tell you about where you can purchase the pharma meds.

Pin X which you can buy at the drugstore will kill pin worms and also ascaris round worms. No point in talking about how uneducated about parasites western medicine is. It is soooo infuriating.

Gael
 
Posted by Gratitude (Member # 31314) on :
 
Thanks Gael. I'm about 2 1/2 hours from Philly. Do you mind sending me the practitioner's name?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Sent you a pm
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
Gael - did you take photos of what you had exiting? If so, can post here?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
susan,

EVERYTHING pictured here is what came out of me. www.lymephotos.com They were as large as what is shown.

Gael
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
Thanks.
I continue with 1g salt and either .5 or 1g VitC.
I guess that small amount is not really doing anything? Is more like a starter dose?

I did have some tummy rumblings last night like I never have had before. Perhaps my intestines/stomach objecting to the Salt/C?

Questions:

When things exit and are seen in the toilet - they are dead?

If they exit from other places they are still moving and alive??

And really - what does one do when a worm is exiting from the nose? Pray you are at home and not in public talking to someone?

If you want to save them - how? In a baggie in water put in the freezer?
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Gratitude. Don't lose hope. You are not far from a doc who will be willing to treat you.

Sending a PM.
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
"They were as large as what is shown."

There is no scale to reference in those photos.

There is also very little logic in how the site is put together.

Babesia is a microscopic organism. You would never see it in the toilet. Why are there pictures labeled "Babesia"? It makes no sense.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
susan,

1 gm to start with is plenty. The salt and c should be equal amnts. You can increase 1/4tsp at a time, but if you start herxing, wait until it calms down and then continue. The stomach rumblings are normal.

If you are going to do this protocol it would be a good idea to order the salt/c book from Amazon for a step by step guide. Mine were all dea when they exited.

The ones exiting from the nose were small and dried out from the salt. Adding an antiparasitic herb such as Parastroy would be a good idea as well.

I never had one exit when I was talking to someone, but that is a pretty hilarious visual. Something best left for SNL.

Sorry, I have a bizzare sense of humor, and it gets me through the day. I saved them in a baggie cause I couldn't believe what I was seeing. , but eventually threw them out.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
VV,

I know there is no scale, however, I was not being as literal as I was trying to paint a visual picture.

They "appeared" to me in person as visually large as they appeared in the pictures. The person that put the lymephotos site together was IMO trying to present it in a creative way.

The individual who came up with this protocol IMO is brilliant. The bottom line for me was the results, and results was what I got, not to mention that it saved my life.

Gael
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
Gael,

Again, can you explain why there are pictures for each co-infection when they would not be visible to the naked eye? The pictures seem randomly selected with their titles.

If you google for pictures of any of those infections they will not look like any of the photos on lymephotos.com, and they are obviously way too small to be seen in stool. It's impossible.

I'm not saying salt/c didn't work for you. I'm just pointing out an alarming lack of coherence on that website.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
VV,

I can't explain what the person who put the site together had in mind when they labeled the photos with different organisms such as babesia etc.

As I mentioned, I think this person was just trying to put a title with the organisms that they found in a "creative"way. It was never an issue for me to be exact in labeling in this case and I have a medical background.

My focus is on getting rid of the infection, and EXACTLY what is pictured is EXACTLY what came out of me, no matter what you want to call it.

The alarming part is that this infection can be part of Lyme disease and why so many are chronically ill.

Gael
 
Posted by been (Member # 23127) on :
 
I've waited 10 months to see a Dr. K practitioner and was diagnosed with heavy metal toxicity and parasites/worms in addition to lyme/babs/bar and other pathogens.

I couldn't believe that all those bugs were still in my system after all the abx I've taken!

For the first time in a very long time I feel like I may get my life back again. The protocol is very aggressive and is tailored for me. Here's what I'm doing.

1. Detox I'm doing IV chelation and homeopathic supplements to open the detox pathways.

2. Today I started anti-parasitic:
-Praziquantel/Biltricide -

Then These 2 together:
-Ivermectin
-Pyrantel Pamoate

The again
-Praziquantel/Biltricide

Then
-Albenza

Finally
-Alinia


After I complete the above I'll be reevaluated and continue to detox and some other things that I can't remember right now.

Anyway I will keep everyone posted on my progress and let you know if its working.

I started the Praziquantel/Biltricide this morning.

BTW, in addition to the IV chelation I'm on these supplements:

Dr. K's CORE supplement
Diatomaceous Earth
Cistus Tea
IMD
Chlorella
Renelix
Apo-Hepat
I-tires
K.Remedy
M Water

I pray this works...
 
Posted by VV (Member # 38828) on :
 
been,

Thanks for sharing. Keep us updated [Smile]
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,

My LLMD has me rotating anti-parasitics.
Albenza, Ivermecti, Alinia, Tindazole, Artemisinin.
I am on a base of Zithromax as well. I swallow raw garlic in the a.m.
Also, I-tires, Renelix, and juicing.

Can I do salt and liposomal Vitamin C?
Thanks,
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
Been or anyone - Do you know how to get a list of Dr. K practitioners?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Google his full name Dr D K practioners and scroll down to a post that says Dr. D. K. certified practioners.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
mig,

I would just do the pharma meds for now, and when you are off of those, I would do antiparasitic herbs and the salt/c. Just what I would do.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this back up for a member who wants to give up to view.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Since you did so well on Ivermectin, it might be a good idea to go back on the Dr. K. portocol. Then when you are finished with that you can do Parastroy, extra cloves, digestive plant enzymes by Soloray and salt/c.

Not sure if you can do MMS when doing other meds. There are some members that rotate between the pharma meds and herbs and salt/c.

Don't forget to do colonics and or warm water enemas to release dead and dying parasites.

Good Luck,

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Ditto to what Gael says.

I would do the Dr. K protocol. Then switch to herbals with salt/c.

I am very interested in MMS but haven't looked into it much yet. I've heard enough good things from GiGi that I'm interested.

Go for it!
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Anyone try Byron White A-P? I am back on it again and had pretty good results last year. Not a permanent solution but I think helped a bit.

BTW....Where/how does one find a Dr. K. practioner?
 
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
 
Lymenet rules do not allow for conversation about horse vet meds being used for human consumption. Please do not speak about this on the open board. We need to protect the board as it is illegal to use equine products that are not for human consumption.

Please report a post if you see this happening anywhere on the board.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
desertwind, you can find a Dr. K practitioner by getting on his site.

http://www.klinghardtacademy.com/images/stories/event/certified_instructors_april_2013.pdf

I would also like to hear from others as to their experience with BW A-P.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Thanks dbpei.

I had used A-P last summer and got up to full dose but I do not think it kicked it all out. I am sure it lowered my parasite load as I felt a reduction in sx but they came right back when I stopped.

I never felt better then I did after taking pharmas. But now back on A-P till I go back on pharmas. Did a 5 drop challenge yesterday and it blew me away, so today I am on one drop x/2 a day.

IME, I would start very slowly with this one (as we do with all BW's). I too would love to hear how others have done with A-P.

I am also taking A-FNG which is mostly for yeast and mold exposure but Dr.H. recommends it for parasites - especially protozoa's - as well. I only take one drop twice a week because it causes such a strong herx.

Is anyone else taking A-FNG for parasites?
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Thanks for posting been. I don't know about the "rope parasite" website or salt/C website with the photos. I'm sure there's lots of parasites not being recognized by mainstream medicine. That's why people are putting info out about it themselves.

There are so many people posting about parasites on alot of message boards these days. We all have to try to help each other. Most doctors are not doing it or may have just as much knowledge as most of us here on the front lines do.

Seems to be a connection between Lyme, Morgellons, CFS, Fibro, IBS, Chrone's (spelling?), arthritis, etc. The parasites are probably causing alot of illnesses. The drug company seems to be holding back on allowing anti-parasite drugs & info out in favor of more expensive ways to "manage" illness.

Many of us end up going to veterinarians or vet drugs to look for info or drugs, themselves. I understand why Lymenet does not condone it but it does work for alot of folks out there.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
I'm reposting this. Someone posted a link above but it's important.

The worms are 2 millimeters... You won't really see these in the toilet unless you look very hard.

There are plenty of people from Asia here. We also import food from there. No reason why this wouldn't be effecting Americans, too.

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http://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20130320/man-dies-after-parasitic-worms-invade-lungs

Man Dies After Parasitic Worms Invade Lungs
Steroid treatment for inflammatory disorder may have spurred 'hyperinfection,' report says


WebMD News from HealthDay

By Randy Dotinga

HealthDay Reporter

WEDNESDAY, March 20 (HealthDay News) -- A Vietnamese immigrant in California died of a massive infection with parasitic worms that spread throughout his body, including his lungs. They had remained dormant until his immune system was suppressed by steroid drugs used to treat an inflammatory disorder, according to the report.

The 65-year-old man was apparently infected by the worms in Vietnam, one of many countries in the world where they're known to infect humans. About 80 percent to 90 percent of people die if they are infected by the worm species and then suffer from so-called "hyperinfection" as the worms travel through their bodies, said report co-author Dr. Niaz Banaei, an assistant professor of infectious diseases at Stanford University School of Medicine.

The man's case emphasizes the importance of testing patients who might be infected with the parasite before giving them drugs to dampen the immune system, said Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, who's familiar with the report findings.

"You have to think twice before starting big doses of steroids," Hotez said. "The problem is that most physicians are not taught about this disease. It often does not get recognized until it's too late."

Parasitic worms of the Strongyloides stercoralis species are most commonly found in tropical and subtropical areas of the world, although they've also appeared in the Appalachian region of the United States. Typically, they infect people in rural areas such as Brazil, northern Argentina and Southeast Asia, Hotez noted, and may currently infect as many 100 million people worldwide.

The worms live in the ground or water, typically in places with poor sanitation, and infect humans by penetrating the skin. They may live in the intestines for years or even decades, creating new larvae that grow into worms about 2 millimeters long, Hotez explained.

For the patient in this case, trouble came when he took steroids, which dampen the immune system, to treat "giant-cell arteritis," a disorder that causes inflammation of arteries of the scalp, neck and arms. The drugs appeared to have allowed the worms to grow and spread because they were no longer kept in check.

Exams uncovered a massive lung infection, report co-author Banaei noted. "The adult worms were producing eggs, and the larvae emerging from the eggs were invading the intestinal wall and disseminating to multiple organs in the body," Banaei said.

When this happens, Baylor's Hotez said, hundreds of thousands of larvae can transmit bacteria from the intestines into other parts of the body.

A medication can help treat infestation with the worms, but it doesn't help when the hyperinfection reaches an advanced stage, he said.

What should be done? In cases where patients come from a region of the world where the worms are common, Hotez suggested that physicians consider that they may be infected and screen them for the worms. That may be difficult though, because multiple fecal tests may be necessary, he said, and another kind of test has limited value in terms of detecting cases.

The study findings are published in the March 21 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
I tried AP and it I feel it didn't really help me. What seemed to hit was Zithromax with Mepron rotating Crypto and Art with Grapefruit seed extract. Parasite herbs, garlic, detoxing, juicing, ir sauna, PEMF, colonics.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I also find a shift in my gastro sx w/ ART. Took it for babs but llmd said hits other parasites as well. May add that back into the mix again.

Anyone else have a hard time tolerating GSE?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this back up for Hopeful in Holland to review. How is everyone else doing? Seen any parasites lately?

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Hi everyone....

Yes, still passing daily here. I'll be finished with Albenza soon. Am waiting for Vermox in the mail. In between, I'll just continue my salt/c and go back to herbs.

I've been sharing my story more and more.....with the ear doc the other day, and with my breast doc.... you should see the wide eyes. Almost disbelief. Then I show them some pictures from my phone. Can't argue with that. They probably will see me differently now, but I feel like I need to share the TRUTH of this all. Too many docs don't even believe parasites are an issue.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
That's FANTASTIC Tammy that you are putting it in the faces of the doubting Thomases of the medical community.

They need to be shown the truth and what's REALLY behind a lot of diseases, not just Lyme. I bet a REALITY TV show on parasites would wake people up.

We do have the "Monsters Inside of Me" TV series, but I think most people still think it happens to others and not themselves. Anyone interested can view the show on youtube.

Thanks for sharing Tammy.

Gael
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
This is for you Gael. Remember that video of my parasite that I posted a few months ago? Looks very similar to this & guess what?

I had a herx with Ivermectin within 1/2 hr of taking a fraction of it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRFTG35PdsU
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
WOW!! Great video. This is a very bad infection and needs to be addressed long term...FOREVER! From what I have read, the Ivermectin does not kill the adults, but helps keep the infection at bay.

Dr. K's protocol with different antiparasitic meds is supposedly effective, but I have seen people post here that they have to keep repeating it. Some folks, rotate between the pharma meds and antiparasitic herbs and salt/c.

Adding clove caps (Hanna Kroeger) is also a good idea as it kills the eggs, is antibacterial and have read is effective against malaria. Coconut oil and coconut water is also effective.

Eating any foods that are antiparasitic is also a good idea. Thanks so much for posting this most informative video.

Please keep us posted and don't forget to do warm water enemas and or colonics to remove dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Tammy! Great video Lymedin!
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
That was an amazing video. I am not sure who the person was that was analyzing the microscope slide, but she validated my DX of lyme disease when discussing the bands on Igenex WB!

So it appears that your body is able to handle these parasites when your immune system and gut are in good working order. It is when you have illnesses that harm your immune system, that the parasites become unmanageable.

I want to make those papaya smoothies on a regular basis! Glad I have incorporated Salt C into my regimen. I have several cloves daily too. I know I need to do more - and I will but I am doing so much right now with herbs and other forms of treatment. Slower pace may be the best way to go for me.

I am taking cholestyramine and wonder if anyone who follows this thread is as well. I am not sure if these are parasites, but I see an enormous amount of yellowish specks in all of my stools. I guess I feel good about getting rid of whatever this is!
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Can anyone explain the correlation between yeast and parasites?

When I did a modified version of Dr.K's protocol I experienced a metallic taste in my mouth. The taste only went away after a few doses of Diflucan. Did killing parasites releaseyeast
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Yes, killing parasites releases yeast, metals and bacteria. Coconut oil is very helpful in getting rid of yeast. Look up GiGi's post Babushka principal.

Gael
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
I've had a bad episode and am seeing parasites I haven't seen before. Taking Alinia (along with my abx) for around 10 days with no problems; every few days I take some DE but don't when my stomach's queasy. I do saline enemas every day and the coffee 3 times a week for the past couple weeks. Friday I took 1 tsp of bentonite clay.

Saturday I woke up with a ferocious, hideous headache which lasted all day and had me flat on my back with ice on my head. I vomited a few times and saw some parasites--one that looked like a slug and another bundle of thickish strands. Neither of these could have been food as my stomach was totally empty except for water I'd drank.

I didn't feel like the Alinia was too strong--usually with too strong a dose of something I'll herx right away.

Any thoughts, ideas...I want to keep treating for these horrible things but I can't go through these die-off headaches! So far I can't tell if the coffee enemas are helping. Too soon to tell??

Arg.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Your reaction may have been from a combination of the enemas and the clay. It's easy to deplete electrolytes and minerals with all you're doing.

Try taking your binders more often (but a smaller dose) to clear out the dead and dying parasites and toxins they were carrying (metal too). The metals alone can make you sick. Remember to add in minerals and electrolytes.
 
Posted by keikko (Member # 34991) on :
 
Has anyone one had a die off reaction from DE? I thought it was just a binder?

Also, for those doing salt/c...do any of you have digestive issues that are complicated by this protocol? Not to be to graphic but like rectal bleeding, or inflammation in colon, etc.

Can you still do enemas/coffee with this issue? seems to be irritating to colon?

I already know parasites are a big issue more from evidence I have seem in the bathroom but I'm trying figure out how to work on them and still stay of my feet....keep gettting myself in a mess with everything I do...even with a ton of binders.

Tried ivermectin for a couple of weeks...pediatric doses and had the worse neurological flare.

I read this entire thread and bought the salt/c book today but the one thing that I think could hold me back is the irritation and inflammation already present in colon.

Thanks
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I have the same question about DE. Die off?
 
Posted by sillia (Member # 23994) on :
 
I think DE can cause dieoff, but I thought I was pretty much used to it by now. Maybe in combo with the Alinia it tipped things over the edge... And I thought 1 tsp of bentonite WAS a low dose, sigh. I know larger amounts of it have given me a herx before.

I don't see how I can take binders if they make me herx! I do charcoal at night, but that doesn't seem like enough.

As far as minerals and electrolytes--that's a good thought, but I do take a lot of supplemental minerals. I can see about electrolytes--I think my EmergenC packets are electrolytes but maybe not enough?

I really think the headache is from die-off. I just can't see how to proceed any more cautiously.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
Yes DE can cause die-off. It is anti-parasitic (in addition to being a binder).
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
I am down for the papaya smoothie & seeds and the pineapple stalks. I was just thinking about getting my hands on some.

Here was the video that I posted of my parasite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT03XTGuSxs&feature=youtu.be


That is the most informed microscopist that I have ever come across in that first video I posted, so eloquent too. All the things that she pointed out in the blood sample, I also see in mine.

I also see some in other people's blood. There is a correlation between the amount of symptoms that people report & the amount of dancing spirochetes & forms and various other unidentifiable organisms.

That is one of the things that I have learned with my ventures & it is great to have it confirmed by someone else.

Perhaps many of us carry the spirochete, but it is not until you get the "FULL LOAD", and most often it may come from a tick, that you acquire the potential for chronic sickness.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Again this is for you Gael. I too am looking for the proof before I get all the proper equipment to start testing on spirochetes.

Clear signs of spirochetes in the mouth. They are not necessarily Lyme spirochetes, but one can see if Borrelia can be anywhere, they can surely be in the mouth & be sexually transmitted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMuMEBKi2_s&list=UU-J8_4Mfq9cFei0NDZmL5cg


The point of the above video is to show you more so what happens in this video where plaque, containing spirochetes & amoeba are exposed to SALT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMuMEBKi2_s&list=UU-J8_4Mfq9cFei0NDZmL5cg
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
This dentist finds them in 90% of his patients oral cavity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2b4aA6_anQ&list=UU-J8_4Mfq9cFei0NDZmL5cg

Makes you wonder. Maybe Lyme is not Lyme without the coinfections. It needs the coinfections to compromise the immune system & become systemic.

"Yes, Listerine helps but salt and baking soda works better if you can believe it. Thanks for the interest, Dr O"
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks so much for posting this Lymedin. Salt is a very powerful antagonist against bb and also the cyst form.

keikko.

The sea salt and vit C will help heal the inflammation in the colon, just as it does when you soak a finger in salt water and it draws out the infection.

Hope everyone is doing well.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Yes, thanks for that, Lymedin. It motivates me to continue using the Salt C to get at those organisms that ABX and herbs have not been able to reach. It is interesting that when you go swimming in the ocean, things like poison ivy and eczema often clear or improve.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Keikko, aloe is good for the digestive tract.

I'm not sure I would do coffee enemas if you have any bleeding. Maybe wait until the bleeding passes. Also, binders need more water and upping your oils can be helpful too (fish oil, etc).
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
From lpkayak....

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/124134
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Sorry, didn't see her post. Just posted response on Ip's thread.

Gael
 
Posted by philly78 (Member # 31069) on :
 
Thinking of possibly starting salt/c. To be honest...I'm scared! I never thought anything would freak me out but addressing parasites has me so nervous!

Can this be done while I'm taking other herbs and medicines? My thinking was yes. Ugh...I just don't know what I'm gonna do yet.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
It can be done while taking other herbs. You can start it at a very small dose...1/4tsp each salt and 1/4tsp C and work up from there. It will give you a chance to get used to it.

Probably won't see much at that dose anyway. At some point adding antiparasitic herbs would be a good idea.

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
philly - maybe what you are feeling is the nervousness that the parasites are feeling because you are finally coming after them.

If you start very slowly, you should not have any problems at all. Once you get the ball rolling, my guess is that you will be so happy you are finally addressing this infection. It is especially rewarding once you start "seeing" results.

By far, this has been the most important treatment I've done so far.

Wishing you well.
 
Posted by philly78 (Member # 31069) on :
 
Okay...I think I'm just gonna go for it! I feel pretty good most days and this may very well be the missing piece I need to address.

Any suggestions on what brand vitamin C? I already have Real Salt in the house as that is what we use.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I use Ester C powder with bioflavinoids by American Health. I buy it at Vitacost. The Vitamin Shoppe also carries it for a few more dollars.

Go for it and let us know how it goes. Good Luck.

P. S.

You might also want to order some Parastroy and keep it on hand to incorporate it down the road.

Gael
 
Posted by philly78 (Member # 31069) on :
 
Thanks!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm on albenza now. I keep getting weird little sensations like a small spider is crawling on me. I also feel like something is biting me (different places on my body). It must be killing something. I haven't seen any evidence of anything exiting other than a few 3 inch skinny white thread looking things. They must be hanging on for dear life (biofilms maybe).

I am also experiencing some yeast, which I am sure is from die off and the metals they left behind. I think I need to up my binders.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Yay Catgirl!! The albenza seems to be hitting the parasites. The biting, crawling sensations are def a sign. The evidence is the skinning white things which could be thread worms, filarial worms or pin worms.

This is great news! Coconut oil always worked for me in getting rid of yeast. Warm water enemas are good to do to release more dead and dying toxins and parasites in the lower colon. Keep us posted. [Smile]

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael! I'm hoping things are starting to let go now.

Thank you for your suggestion about the coconut oil too. I should probably take it with the ablenza. I'm doing the enemas, and am about to embark on colonics--should be fun (lol!).
 
Posted by keikko (Member # 34991) on :
 
Thanks for getting me motivated to focus on parasites! I have passed some crazy stuff this week....feeling worse than ever, but happy this stuff is moving out.
Yesterday, I passed something at least 12 inches long, felt very weak but feel better today.

The main problem I am having with getting rid of this stuff is the brain stuff....like extreme brain fog even a bit of confusion...then I will cut back on what im taking and it will clear a bit. Anyone else experience this?

I am doing the enemas every other day and am taking binders like de, clay, microsilica and chlorella.

I am going to add low salt/c today and see what happens:) digestion already seems better:)
 
Posted by stiffyoungman (Member # 40067) on :
 
Im in a pickle now I feel like. I saw a Dr who is on the ILADS board but moved from that state 1 month after seeing her for the 2nd time.

Is treating parasites before/after treating Lyme important? Must one treat Parasites before attacking Lyme?

He/she wanted to do Yeast (ketokonazole)
THen Pylara
Then Albendazole

THEN start treating for Lyme.

Stomach issues was my very first symptom when I was young. And have stayed with me, rollercoastering and much better now for years but still there.

Dr recommended a Dr in my state (which Lymenet also recommended by a few people as best in my state) however he seems to be more focused specifically on Lyme even when I showed him previous Drs approach.
 
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
 
Last warning, any posts that even mention the name of a horse medication used for worming will be deleted and the poster will get a warning.

The FDA does not sanction the use of these medications for human use and it is against Lymenet rules to post about it.

The moderators will go through this thread and delete all posts with mention of horse medications being mentioned.

All new posters will get one warning only. This is the second post about this in this thread.
 
Posted by stiffyoungman (Member # 40067) on :
 
Faith you aren't talking about me are you?
 
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
 
This is a general warning to everyone about posting anything about names of horse or equine wormers for human consumption.

I posted a warning about discussing this a month ago. Lymenet does not allow this and yet it is still going on in other threads and in this thread too.

There is a lot of good in this thread. The moderators will be deleting the posts and threads that violate the rules and sending out possible warnings.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Faithful, don't assume everyone is talking about equine wormers. What I posted above is a med for humans. In fact, all of the parasite meds I've been on and posted about have been for humans. So please check the meds out before sending me a warning. Maybe it's time for me to move to another blog.
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
I got a warning too. I've only suggested taking prescriptions or anti-parasitic herbs with salt/c.
 
Posted by BoxerMom (Member # 25251) on :
 
I'm getting mixed messages. I've only posted about human meds, but I got a warning about contributing to posts that mention vet meds, even if I don't mention vet meds.

This thread is now 13 pages long. I have no idea if or where vet meds may be mentioned, but apparently it is dangerous for me to post anything on such a thread.

I was told the board could be shut down.

When I read the mod posts, I read, "Do not mention vet meds." I don't see, "Steer clear of any thread mentioning vet meds. You could get the board shut down."

That's the source of my confusion.

I will come back to delete this post soon.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
We don't want anyone to feel that they cannot post. The warning was given to everyone on the other thread if I'm not mistaken. So if you were warned, but did nothing, then don't worry.

It might help us to know which ones are veterinary meds and which ones are not. And no, I'm not going to do my own research on it.

BoxerMom.. no need to delete it.

I welcome any PM's with info. (hope my mailbox doesn't close up in protest!)
 
Posted by faithful777 (Member # 22872) on :
 
I fully explained to everyone that I pm'd anyone who posted on that particular thread so everyone could understand the rules. I also said that not everyone mentioned the horse or vet meds but wanted everyone to understand the rules.

These meds are all over this huge thread in various places and have popped up in other threads. I have horses and know the names of most of the wormers out there so I know they are in this thread.

Please do not take what was said out of context. This is a great thread about how to help others take care of parasites.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Thanks, faithful! [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Faithful and Lymetoo, Ivermectin, Albenza, and Biltricide are also sold by prescription as human parasite meds. Pyrantel pamoate is also sold for humans at most pharmacies (even little kids take this one). I don't understand why they're an issue considering doctors prescribe them. Are these the parasite meds you both are referring to, because that's all I've seen posted on this blog (maybe I missed something)? If so, there is simply no need to worry about discussing these meds, because humans are prescribed them as well.

I get that we need to leave the words vet meds out of posts though.
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
I get Pyrantel pamoate through a compounding pharmacy by RX.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Pinworms:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M_bBOSV67Y

Dr. OZ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRglUAttmzQ
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
I haven't been on this thread in a while.

Just wanted to get some advice. I took Flagyl for a week (several weeks ago) for an infection.

Now, several weeks later, I have itchy pimplish bumbs all through my scalp. I even had to get Scalpicin for relief from the itching.

Could this be related to parasites?
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Thanks, Catgirl! The only thing I deleted was a link to a site that showed animals. So I assumed the med was for animals. I don't remember anything else about the link or other info.

-

lax mom .. or yeast
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
Thanks Lymetoo: I know I have horrible yeast problems. Just had to stop Diflucan due to high liver enzymes [Frown]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Lax, try fermented veggies. :)
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Yes! Look into the Body Ecology Diet .. they have a website that tells you how to do it.

(if you stopped the Diflucan, I'm sure the yeast is having a heyday.. sorry to hear!)
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Has anyone had an issue with yeast while taking albenza? I can't tell if it's giving it to me or something else.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Chronic candida and parasites go hand in hand. Chronic candida is on the symptom list for parasites. A lot of the antiparasitic herbs also kill yeast. Bottom line, best to treat both. Bumps on the scalp could def inicate both.

Gael
 
Posted by lax mom (Member # 38743) on :
 
I just want to be in denial about parasites. The treatment is soooo rough.
 
Posted by frikfrak (Member # 26844) on :
 
Hi,

Been reading a lot about parasites on this site and others. A lot of people feel if you are not getting better its probably parasites.

My son has been tested twice and both times negative, stool test from doctors data and also from regular MD, wherever they send it to, not sure.

Was put on A-P drops from BW but not for long. No change.

Is it OK to take something just to see if you have them. If so, what and for how long before you'll know.

Also will it hurt you if you really don't have parasites.

One last thing, he's currently taking Flagyl, can you treat for parasite while on this?


His Mom
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I tested negative for parasites for years and was loaded with them. Parasite testing is just not reliable and if you read the statistics, over 90% of the population is infected.

Antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy and Humaworm to name a few will also hit other infections.

Salt/c is reported to kill spirochetes as well as the cyst form. IMO, it is fine to take the herbs to see if you have a problem.

It took me 6 mos of strong and persistent ingestion of herbs and then salt/c for them to let go. This is what came out of me..www.lymephotos.com. Some folks have good results with the pharma antiparasitics.

TammyN on here has a Dr. K. practioner that does ART and has helped her get rid of a LOT of parasites. Hopefully she will see this and can give you some names. She is from N. J. as well.

Gael
 
Posted by frikfrak (Member # 26844) on :
 
thank you glm1111

Yes, I hope TammyN reads this.

TammyN: would you mind giving me the name of your practioner,thank you
 
Posted by jlf2012 (Member # 36002) on :
 
I've been doing parastroy for three weeks and just started salt/c today. I've noticed the past 3-4 days I seem to have yeast symptoms..itching, sore scalp, pimples, extra tired. Maybe disrupting the parasites is causing yeast to flare. Would adding charcoal help cleanse the yeast and parasites?
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
I would love the name of your practitioner also Tammy. Thanks so much!!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I took coconut oil and coconut water when doing herbs and salt/c to kill off any candida. Warm water enemas help a lot to release dead and dying parasites in the lower colon.

Gael
 
Posted by Tammy N. (Member # 26835) on :
 
frikfrak and jlcd1- sending PMs.

I think treating parasites is perhaps the most important thing we can to in order to begin regaining our health. I wish it took me less than 20 years to figure this out....but grateful nonetheless to have finally found this path.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
jlf2012, yes - charcoal might help. Food grade diatomaceous earth taken away from meds/supplements by at least an hour may help to. Good luck!
 
Posted by OtterJ (Member # 30701) on :
 
My allergist said yeaterday that I have major inflammation in my lungs. I know I have scarring from lifelong inflammation, but want to now treat for parasites. I have artemisinin at home, and was wondering about adding mimosa pudica. Or, should I go for something like parastroy? I also take r lipoic acid and NAC for glutithiaone. Should I continue this while taking art. and/or mimosa pud.?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I would just go for the Parastroy. The 3 most important herbs to target parasites are Wormwood, Black walnut Hull and Cloves. You might want to also consider adding salt/c to the mix.

Gael
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
i take the artemisinin now, 6 pills for 2 days in a row, then skip a day, then repeat.

I also use mimosa pudica and salt c has been added in. It makes me so sick sometimes so I'm scared to keep going. Is it normal to have to stay home and be close to a bathroom all day, because that's how i feel.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I would cut back on the Salt C if you are feeling this way. With Salt C, you are supposed to increment very slowly and decrease your dosage when you start to herx or have loose stools. I don't know if the mimosa or artemisinin could also be contributing. I hope you feel better.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
PLEASE don't stop the salt/c except when you are herxing. It can be invaluable at killing parasites and bb. I got diarrhea even at low doses. Lower the dose if you feel too sick.

Lymephotos says it is from dieoff. Drinking coconut water that is high in potassium is a good idea to help balance electrolytes when on salt/c.

The people that have the most success with salt/c are the ones that stay on it and perservere.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm missing salt c (can't wait to get back on it). I felt so much better on it (on day 13 of albenza).
 
Posted by dyna3496 (Member # 39855) on :
 
Thanks to Gael and all thrParasiteWarriors for helping me gett my life back
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Oh dyna, So very happy to hear you are well. That is such great news!!

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I don't want anyone to misunderstand my post [Frown] I didn't mean to advise stopping the Salt C. By "cutting back", I meant to reduce the dosage if you are feeling really bad. Those are the instructions that are given in the Salt C Plus Protocol. I have highlighted below...

"You must do it exactly according to your body and your situation. In other words, it does not matter what anyone else has done or is doing, the method is designed to be uniquely tailored to you and what is right for you.

Bottom line is those who resist the temptation to overwhelm the body� by simply �loading-up� without regard for the Scale-Up Method will have the best potential for success."
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
i didn't misunderstand. I do take breaks when that happens, which is good because the problem goes away when I stop the salt/c.

I think I might need to order the book and then restart.

Thanks for all the help everyone
 
Posted by luvema (Member # 26650) on :
 
Can you do the Sea Salt without the vitamin C?

Would that still kill parasites?
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Wow - my kids are really fighting today...I guess it could be related to the full moon? But wasn't it last night? Is anyone else having an increase in symptoms?

Thanks,
tickbattler
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ema,

It's best to do the protocol the way it was established, using the sea salt and the vitamin C together. Is there a reason you only want to do just the salt?

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
P. S.

Ema,

If you just have sea salt on hand, it is antibacterial and antiparasitic, so I would start it a a low dose in a glass of water. You can start with 1/4tsp. Add the vitamin C ASAP.

Hope this helps,

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
So I am now taking paracide and doing chelation and seem to be passing biofilms but kind of confused because I have been on and off the paracide for about 3 weeks now and haven't really seen any worms yet.

I feel like total crap and have since starting it and was doing quite well before starting but I do only take it about 3 days a week.

Can even 3 days a week of this make you feel like crap and cause a wickid long herx and how long does it take to start seeing worms?
I am seeing a lot of sludge and mucus and what I think are biofilms. also noticing an increase in Bart sx.

Also how long can it take to feel any better?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Can the parasite treatment also make you feel really out of it with brain fog?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Maya,

Attacking parasites can def cause brain fog from the dieoff. They love the head and can nest under the scalp as well. There is also a brain/gut connection and parasites are known to hibernate in the small intestine. It is also a full moon!

Hope you feel better.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Can the parasites cause a lot of strange head symptoms like pressure and heaviness in te face and head and sinuses also confusion and very tight neck muscles and shoulder muscles?

Can parasites effect the teeth and jaw and make them feel numb or heavy or very tight, stiff and sore?

I know you mentioned before Gail, that you had teeth problems.

If they love the head and scalp I wonder if this is what is causing many of my strange head sensations and slightly strange thinking and slight disconnect.


Also having a lot of bloating and feelings of things moving in my abdomen and things biting me from inside?

Was doing almost 60 % better at times till I started treating parasites.

Can thy also flare some psych sx that had been almost gone?
Or what sorts of psych sx can they cause?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I mean an treating them flare psych sx and what?

I just have this strong sensation that nothing feels right and that I am not fully grounded or connected to myself like I was. Also a bit depressed and more anxious/ obsessive then I was before starting to treat them.

Also way more body pain
 
Posted by LAXlover (Member # 25518) on :
 
Anyone have luck with DE (Diatomaceous Earth}?

Thinking about giving it a try, the food grade type.

-LAXlover
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Maya,

I have had ALL the symptoms you are describing. If you are feeling movement in your abdomen, it would be a very good idea to do a warm water enema or better yet a colonic, to release the dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon.

It is also a FULL MOON today and that is when the parasites are extremely active. The salt/c protocol was helpful in releasing a lot of the parasites for me.

The salt makes them try and find an exit to get away. I was spitting the eggs shell blue ones pictured on www.lymephotos.com out of my mouth. I also felt very spacey and disconnected at times.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Maya -- what is the treatment you have been on?
 
Posted by Crawgir1 (Member # 40229) on :
 
I just got diagnosed with Babesia and LD, waiting on the Rx's from my LLMD in the mail.

The bugs are aware that I know of them now, and they have been targeted for destruction. They are moving about more freely and attacking various parts of me on a constant basis.

Gael's info about the full moon affecting them makes me think too of how I haven't been able to sleep during a full moon for years now-my bullseye rash was over 10 years ago.

Victim of Stupid Doctor with God Complex Year 2002
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Love your signature line Crawgirl!

" Victim of Stupid Doctor with God Complex" [Smile]

Maya,

How are you feeling?

CD57,

Hope you are considering parasite tx of either herbs and salt/c or Pharma. You can always start with something like Parastroy.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey guys, I am on paracide and doing chelation , hbot, ala, NAC and pleo chelate

I am feeling ok but brain fog is still bad , tired and have some head pressure but right now the worst is the itching and burning of skin, chills, slight sore throat and all over muscle cramping, stiffness and body pain.

Is it normal for this to flare with parasite treatment?

Haven't been this stiff and sore and cramps in a long time.
Also tonnes of rib pain and some dizziness, and sob , I feel like the paracide is hitting the babs.

Also still a bit disconnected and everything feels a bit surreal
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I also have a bit of swelling in my hands and face which seems odd
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
The paracide really seems to hit me hard and I. Am also getting more weakness and creaking and cracking of my joints, feel like I am 90 ugggg.


Also having some emotions that I wonder may be coming from the parasites dying. Things like thinking I am dying or that I can't stand treatment anymore. And I really wonder if it is the parasites dying and projecting this on me
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
When I was hitting parasites really hard, I would cry and sob for an hour at a time. I intuitevly knew it was a herx. Shedding of emotions are very common and also feeling like you are dying etc.

Very insightful that somehow the parasites dying are projecting this onto you. I think you may be right. I really believe that these parasites are more evolved and intelligent than we realize.

Just a reminder Maya, that you can take a break until the herxing calms down and then resume. That is what's advised with the salt/c protocol.

Warm water enemas may be very helpful for you to release the dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon. Hang in there, it will be worth it. Getting rid of parasites is Key in getting well.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I really feel with a flare in all my sx recently after about 2 good months that parasites and lead and biofilms are at the bottom of my problems.

As soon as I started targeting the parasites and metals I had a huge flare making me think that this is the right direction.

I am generally in a better place than I was 6 mths ago after getting off the abx and having had a lot of detoxing and ozone treatments.

I will just take the paracide slowly and keep knocking away at te buggers as not to herx too severely.

Thanks for the words of encouragement Gael, much appreciated. [Smile]

And the more I live with this disease the more I do believe that they strongly effect our thinking and emotions.


As I slowly progress and my rational mind comes back I see this more and more
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
The only thing I am wondering is can you be killing parasites but not see them in the toilet?

I def feel like I am herxing from the paracide and do see a lot of sludge like mucous coming out but can the herbs pulverize the parasites so badly that they come out as just mucous or should I be seeing something more formed?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Yes you can be killing them, but the bigger ones could be in the lower colon and need help getting out.

You probably would benefit greatly from a colonic, or as I mentioned before a warm water enema.

Adding salt/c for me was key in getting them to flush out of the lower colon. It also gave that extra punch in killing them and making them let go.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I did try a warm water enema but didn't get anything out. Can they hang on for a while before letting go and coming out?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I did try a warm water enema but didn't get anything out. Can they hang on for a while before letting go and coming out?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I would add a low dose of salt/c. Try 1/4tsp sea salt with a 1/4tsp Ester C powder in a glass of water per day. If you herx too hard, then pull back. Mine hung on for 6 mos of doing very strong herbs, but let go the second day of doing salt/c.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I actually did add a bit of salt last night and take daily vit c.

Can the parasite herx make you feel really sick and fluish, dizzy, sore, stiff , headache, stomach pain and nausea?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Yes, Maya, the symptoms are from the dieoff and toxins the parasites are releasing. You might want to consider a binder such as chlorella. Drink extra water and add some lemon to help flush out these toxins.

They also release heavy metals and yeast. Coconut water and coconut oil are antifungal and antiparasitic.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hi gael, thanks again for the help. I think I will take some binders tonight and then maybe back off the paracide for a few days.

I wonder if I am also hitting some babs with it
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome Maya,

IMO, and in my case, I found that antiparasitics and the salt/c hit all of the infections. Lymestrategies states that salt also kills bb abd the cyst form.

Hope you have a restful evening,

Gael
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Hello All...

I have a question about the effects of surgery and steroids on parasites. We all know about the dangers of steroids re; Lyme/co.s, but does the same apply to parasites?

I underwent necessary neuro surgery (my 3rd one in 3 years for a condition unrelated to Lyme) 2 weeks ago and beginning to feel flared - just not sure if it is a TBI or parasite flare.

I had to have three bags of steroids to reduce potential brain swelling but with each steroid dose I also had IV Vancomycin (sp).

The best I ever felt during my 10 years of off and on tbi treatment was after treating parasites a while back. Llmd wants to hit both hard w/ meds but I know doing both will be too harsh on my body.

Sorry for the rambling but looking to see if surgery and/or steriods could fuel parasites.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
So I passed a piece of worm today and no question it was a worm.

Nothing I have eaten recently would look like that at all.

Yay, no wonder I have been herxing and now I have proof as to why.

Kind of makes the herxing worth it.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
desertwind,

Anytime you are given something like steroids that suppress the immune system, it allows other infections such as parasites to proliferate.

Don't fret though, just go after them again and STAY on an antiparasitic protocol whether pharmas or herbs and salt/c. Some her have had good results alternating between pharmas and alternatives.

Gael

[ 05-28-2013, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: glm1111 ]
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Gael & everyone -

What do you think of this? Someone in another thread recommended it to me...

Deseret Biologicals > Ver 2 oz (60 ml)


VER NOSODE all at 30-60-200x


ANCYLOSTOMA DUODENALE ............ Hookworm


ASCARIS LUMBRICOIDES ................... Roundworm


BRUGIA FILARIA ............................... Lymphatic parasite


CLONORCHIS SIENENSIS .................... Liver fluke


CRYPTOSPORIDIUM PARVUM ............. Intestinal protozoa


DIPHYLLOBOTHRIUM LATUM ............ Fish tapeworm


ENTEROBIUS VERMICULARIS ............. Pinworm


GIARDIA LAMBLIA ............................ Intestinal protozoa


NECATOR AMERICANUS .................... Hookworm


OPISTHORCHIS SINENSIS ................... Liver fluke


PARAGONIMUS WESTERMANI ............ Lung fluke


SCHISTOMSOMA MANSONI ................ Blood fluke


STRONGYLOIDES STERCORALIS ......... Roundworm


TAENIA SOLIUM ................................ Pork tapeworm


TANENIA SAGINATA ......................... Common tapeworm


TRICHINELLA SPIRALIS ..................... Porkworm


TRICHOMONAS VAGINALIS ................ Genital nematode


TRICHURIS TRICHIURA ...................... Whipworm


CINA MARITIMA 3X Nervous, mental and bodily symptoms due to roundworms or pinworms. Twitching, spasms due to worms.


ARTEMISIA VULGARIS 2X Nausea, vomiting and cramps due to worm infestation.


GRAPHITES 12X Abdominal cramps and pain. Expulsion of worms.


CALCAREA CARBONICA 12X Expulsion of tapeworms, round worms and pin worms.


SPIGELIA 3X Protects liver from damage due to blood borne toxins. Anti�viral, stimulates immune system, improves effectiveness of glucococorticoids.


MELILOTUS OFFICIALLUS 3X Abdominal distension, flatulence.


TEUCRIUM MARUM VERUM 3X Polypi, chronic nasal catarrh, itching anus, ascarides with nightly restlessness, crawling in rectum after stool, restless sleep, itching skin.


FILIX 2X Worm colic with itching nose, expulsion of tape worms, abdominal bloating.


MERCURIUS CORROSIVUS 12X Epigastrium very sensitive, cramps, feeling as if stool is never done.


SILICEA 6X Assimilation problems, bone problems, fibrotic conditions, headache, vertigo, profuse sweat of head.


IODIUM 12X Emaciation, headaches, lymphatic swelling, worms.


QUASSIA AMARA 3X Acts on digestive organs as a tonic, expulsion of threadworms.


SABADILLA 12X Itching from anus and rectum caused by pinworms.


THYMUS SERPYLLUM 3X Hookworm, tapeworm, colitis, diarrhea.

- See more at: http://www.pureformulas.com/ver-1-oz-by-deseret-biologicals.html#sthash.4Z8nly9q.PqcJ62qQ.dpuf
 
Posted by America2014 (Member # 40710) on :
 
Does anyone know what Dr. K protocol is for Parasites. I go to a doc who spent time with him.

My lyme would never resolve, also felt not as much O
CD on Doxy.

Which parasites does doc K treat first?
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Others on here have done the full protocol and I am sure they will chime in but till they do....

My llmd followed a modified version of Dr. K.s protocol. He had me on;

Biltricide
Ivermecitin
Alinia
Pin-x

I only did this for a week and herxed hard and then felt great. Most people do it much much longer. I am sure the pro.'s will chime in.

glm;As always thanks for your feedback. Re; steriods, my gut says parasites had a party. I started back on Dia. Earth and will begin adding more herbs.

[ 05-29-2013, 09:47 AM: Message edited by: desertwind ]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
sparkle,

That looks very promising for getting rid of parasites. Could be costly, but worth it if it does the job. Are you going to try it? Thanks for posting.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Maya -- is Paracide a drug? How did you get that? Not heard of it in the US.....
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this back up for all of the newbies that have joined us recently. Anyone else have any news with their treatment?

Hope everyone is doing well.

Gael
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I have a question ......sorry but I seem to have more questions then answers when it comes to parasites.

I have heard and read different things about this.

Do certain strains of probiotics feed certain parasites? Any thoughts about this? Sometimes I feel an increase in my parasites symptoms when I take a lot of pro.s.

Also, I added B.W. A-FNG into my mix for a real powerful punch. Designed for mold/yeast issues but LLMMD thinks it hits parasites as well. On a lot of herbals for now and then to repeat a modified Dr.K. protocol.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I googled "Do probiotics feed parasites" What came up was "Do probiotics kill parasites"

On Livestrong it says they are beneficial in boosting the immune system and could help eliminate parasites. I have read the same concern somewhere in the past about probiotics feeding prasites. I drink Kefir.

My conclusion was that while on heavy antiparasitic herbs and salt/c, I had many parasites exit even when drinking Kefir which I think is very beneficial.

So, on the outside chance that probiotics feed the parasites, the antiparasitics will kill them anyway. Sorry, I don't know what B. W. A-FNG is.

Staying on antiparasitics is KEY in getting rid of chronic Lyme. IMO, I really think Lyme is more about parasites than anything else.

Gael
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
I want to give feedback re: my son who developed tourettes and PANDAS this winter. He had to miss 7 weeks of school. What he herxed on the most was Caprasite (an herbal parasite cleanse) and his tourrettes (violent outbursts) and screaming and crying would increase within 20 minutes of taking it. I came to the conclusion that his PANDAS and OCD/tourrettes were caused by parasites.

Interestingly, our practitioner recently recommended he do the MMS autism parasite protocol, which is healing kids from PANDAS and Autism. Within 3 days on the MMS protocol, his brain has come back so his social interactions are more normal and he is able to function again like a regular kid! It is very exciting. The woman who developed this protocol says that "PANDAS is all worm" and says that an overgrowth of parasites are a cause of autism, along with all of the other bacterial, fungal and viral infections and resulting inflammation.

tickbattler
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
tick battler,

That is FANTASTIC NEWS!! So happy for you and your son. Anytime a child gets well is music to my ears. Keep us posted please.

P. S.

Could you give the exact formula/protocol of MMS he is taking, and has he "seen" any worms exiting?

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey Gael the paracide that I am on is a natural supplement made by alpha science laboratories.

It has betel nut, polyporus mylittae, garlic, pumpkin seed, cloves, green hulled black walnut, rhizoma rhei, wormwood and mint in it
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Sounds good Maya since it contains the three most imoportant herbs, Black walnut hull, wormwood and cloves for killing parasites.

Hope it works for you.

keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Gael and anyone else, did you have more joint pain on salt/c when you first started? I recently started back on it, and I can't tell if it weakened the abx I was on (no longer on them) which caused the pain to return, or if it was just hitting parasites.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Hey catgirl; Gosh it is always so hard to tell what is what. I notice anytime I start killing parasites that I get a lot of joint stiffness same with yeast die-off. I never really got or get much joint pain at all from Lyme/co.'s.

Does high dose C weaken abx.s? I did not know that...Hope you can figure it out!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

I had small scabs/parasites come out of my joints from salt/c. Sea salt is a natural abx and will push out any infection that is lying dormant.

Much like when you have an infection in your finger and you soak it in salt water it will draw out the infection. Same principal. Joint pain is usually from infection especially if you have Lyme/arthritis.

I have read somewhere (can't remember) where Vitamin C may interfere with some abx, but not sure if that's true or not. I will try and research it.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Okay, this is what I just found. Interactions with certain drugs and vitamin C.

Tetraycycline, doxycyclene..some evidence suggests that vitamin C may increase the levels of this medication and decrease the levels of vitamin C.

There are other drugs listed with different results. Anyone on different meds should google it. Hope this answers your question.

Gael
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Great info from Gael. We should all remember to check all herb/drug interactions as some can be dangerous!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael (and Desertwind). It's weird that it gave me more pain where lyme likes to hang out (must have been dormant).
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

Maybe a lower dose of salt/c might not give you as much pain and also drinking extra water and coconut water would help. What dose salt/c are you on?

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
1/4 tsp of each.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Okay, good starting dose. Go slow and let the pain calm down till the next dose. That's what's suggested in the salt/c Plus Lyme book when you herx. Keep us posted as to how it goes.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael! :)
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Anyone ever get quite foggy and confused and depressed and angry when treating parasites?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I really seem to be struggling with mood issues when trying to kill the parasites
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Maya,

Mood issues are VERY common with a parasite infection. Whenever you want to know about parasites and symptoms, check the symptom list at Humaworm. It is very comprehensive and will answer many of your questions. www.humaworm.com

There is a brain/gut connection and can explain some of your symptoms since parasites reside in the gut

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Hi Gael-

The anti-parasite remedy I posted is not expensive (Deseret Biologicals > Ver 2 oz (60 ml)). It's about $13 or so. I dowsed it & it says for me to use it in the way people have been doing the Bionic 880 treatments - with the infrared light, etc. I'm going to try it with the LightWorks. I have to order it. I've been a bit busy with stuff but I'll let you know how it goes.

I've been trying MMS, too. I think it's worthwhile. I've been dowsing different things on & off. Lately, I've been getting a "yes" for Nutramedix Cumanda. I don't think alot of people use it as an anti-parasite remedy but it may be worth looking into.

I think there are many varieties of parasites that people could have so I think it's good to rotate the treatments. The more options we have - the better.

For people who take MMS - some of the things making people & children ill could be bacterial, too. I'm sure there are bacterial bugs making people ill that have not been discovered yet.

Especially regarding the recent news about superbugs in meat...

I think it's important to take probiotics & other things that may feed parasites. We need the nutrition, too. I think we ay have to pulse them on & off. I think we need to give the anti-parasite remedies, drugs a chance to work but we also need to replace vitamins, minerals & probiotics. Maybe just take them apart or every other day.

I know with the MMS, you aren't supposed to take antioxidants - but we do need them. I just take them at different times or every other day so they don't neutralize each other.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
PS - I think joint pain can be caused by alot of things. We can't assume it's Lyme or parasites. I've been busy but I'd like to go to an ART practitioner or get an objective opinion about my joint pain.

In my case, I was thinking it might be hormonal. I read that lack of estrogen can cause aches & pains. As we (women) get older - our hormone production changes. But it could be many things... Not that it isn't Lyme or some parasite - but it can be other things.

I have a Mag Pulser & a LightWorks by SOTA. I find that the LightWorks really helps with the joint pain I'm having. (I don't sell any devices or supplements, etc.) Celedrin cream is useful, too. I also take Excedrin. For some reason - Excedrin works for me.

It's probably a good idea to take some NAC if you take over the counter pain meds. It can help the liver to detox them.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hello Gael and friends-
Surprise, surprise, I wasn't done with parasites.

Had a stomach attack last month at the heart of the full moon- long story short, after being off all treatments for months,

started on ParaGone and Diflucan, back working on my gut for the weeks following- seeing results.

I'm doing 6 ParaGone herbal pills a day + their tincture, when that runs out (soon) I have a nice

Hilda Clark tincture I will be doing 3x a day through the next full moon (June 22-23)

Keep up the good work guys- pushing through, too--more layers-
 
Posted by RZR (Member # 20953) on :
 
I have been treating parasites for 2-1/2 years rotating Parastroy and Dr. K's pharmacy protocol. I see them exit daily, but cannot eliminate them.

I decided to try ClarkFX and the herx is brutal. I am only up to 4 drops twice daily..goal dosage for me is 16 drops 3 times daily.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
RZR,

Some parasites (roundworms) can lay 200,000 eggs a day. Getting rid of the eggs is very important and from what I have researched, cloves is what kills them.

I believe Hulda Clark also has stated this fact. I take extra cloves (Hanna Kroeger) to help kill the eggs along with salt/c.

You have to remember that some of these parasites have been in our systems for years and when chronically ill, they just take over.

They can invade, all of the organs, brain and muscle tissue. It can take 3-5 yrs to get rid of this kind of hyperinfection according the the lymephotos site.

You don't have to hit yourself over the head with a strong herx, Pace not race. It takes patience and persistence, but you should start feelng better and better. The good news is that you have uncovered the enemy.

Gael
 
Posted by RZR (Member # 20953) on :
 
I just can't imagine what ClarkFx is hitting that Parastroy and the other meds did not hit.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Maybe it's just more concentrated with the essentials of Wormwood, Black Walnut Hull and Cloves than Parastroy. Keep us posted as to how it's working and Good Luck with it.

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Yikes, I'm about to start a ClarkFX type tincture tomorrow, having finished up ParaGone this morning.

Listen, I am getting pretty concerned about my low weight. I can't gain any- I am lifting weights, no cardio type, and eating well.

Since going on ParaGone and Diflucan again, increasing fiber, my stomach/ bowels are in great shape right now-

I've done a lot of parasite work- I know, could take more years, but, any encouragement about the weight?

Is it possible I have a tapeworm? I had one in my 20's.
I don't know. I think it was Tami who said her weight went up and stabilized?

I'm at the lowest I've ever been, and I am eating...it's a bit alarming to see the number on the scale, although I feel strong (for me) because of the weight lifting.
Thanks--
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Surprise, I think it is possible you have a tapeworm. I think lots of us do and just don't know it. I get tons of energy when I treat for worms, but no evidence of a tape worm. I don't think it wants to let go. We have to keep at it.
 
Posted by lyme987 (Member # 22148) on :
 
I'm new here to the parasite program and I apologize in the answer is somewhere in this thread. I got through 3 pages and my head is going to explode

I rife for parasites and just started parasites 8 weeks ago, I know I'm loaded with them because I get huge herxes from it

I wanted to add an herbal in to the mix and I just started a black walnut hull homeopathic-15 drops

Does anyone get intense deep pain inside the middle of the head, it almost feels like brain pain, along with killer eye and ear pain

My herxes with rifing are like this but this was so much more intense, I'm guessing the parasites are in the brain or am I hitting babs? ( I have everything under the sun)

Thanks for any info
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
lyme987; Yes, yes and yes. The head/ear/eye issues with parasites. It has gotten much better since I started rotating in Meds. to my protcol.

I am on my 3rd round of meds and ther herxing is way less but still getting some deep head/ear and eye pain. Hang in there and be persistant!!!

I also have/had Babs and that treatment helped a little with these symptoms but it really took treating patasites for me to notice a big difference.
 
Posted by lyme987 (Member # 22148) on :
 
thanks so much, I never knew what this was
figured it was just more coinfection stuff,

when people say cloves, are they talking about actual cloves or are they in capsules (sorry probably a stupid question, but I'll chow down cloves if it will help)
 
Posted by lyme987 (Member # 22148) on :
 
Just walked past my window and noticed the moon, looked full but checked online

SUPERMOON is supposed to be here June 22 and 23

They call it a pedigree full moon and the moon will be the closest to earth thus far this year

does this mean the parasites will be even worse?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm already starting to feel the bugs. For me they are worse a few days before the full moon.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
lyme987,

Talking about the cloves from Hanna kroeger in capsules. Helps kill the eggs. They are inexpensive. I get mine from Vitacost. Parasites copulate during full moon.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I would think that eating cloves helps also. I put them in my tea daily and freshen my mouth with them as well. I ordered some organic cloves through Amazon. I grind them and sprinkle on cereal and oatmeal.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Can the bugs responding to the full moon coming make depression and anxiety worse?
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
I think that I can feel the full moon too. I'm losing my mind. anyone else feel that way?! It's worse that usual.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Supposedly, the parasites procreate during a full moon and increase any symptoms we already are experiencing. I find that meditation and listening to soothing music, taking a warm bath and doing anything soothing is very helpful during a full moon.

Gael
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
Questions again re: salt/c.

I had to stop a few things as I have had serious problems and not sure what caused it. Herx? Toxins? Whatever - made my already dry eyes and mouth worse. Unless it is yeast.

Does Salt/C work against yeast/candida?

What about as a detox. Separately it seems that sea salt is used as a detox aid - VitC as well.
Together they kill and detox?

Tammy - did I read one of your posts correctly - that you were on 1/4 teaspoon salt and 1/4 teaspoon C and saw results from that dose? At the same were you also on other antiparasitics?

I need to be careful and not take too many things.

I have been curious anyway about the dose of Salt/C - as in when it starts to be effective in the ramping up process. 1/4 teaspoons of each daily can be effective?

Also thinking in regards to Abx - some doses bacteriostatic and when higher can be bactericidal. Salt/C possibly the same?

Maybe low doses are not yet killing but are still having a negative effect on the parasites etc?
 
Posted by kelmo (Member # 8797) on :
 
Anyone have luck with DE (Diatomaceous Earth}?

Thinking about giving it a try, the food grade type.

---------

Someone asked about this, but didn't get a response. Anyone want to weigh in? I'd like to know, as well.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Yes, absolutely the full moon affects me, and it does not coincide with any of my other 'cycles'.

It was a gripping stomach attack last full moon that took days to recover that led me back to treatment.

So, I've completed ParaGone since then, started back on Diflucan, because this toxic goo mess seem to go hand and hand- yes, seeing results, and gut function better.

Now on a Clark type potent tincture - leading up to full moon last few days, I want more carb sugar, and lose my patience more easily-

Last night took some pink sea salt/buffered C drink- I am working on adrenals, too- low blood pressure- have read the Salt/C book and did it for a bit some months ago,

am adding the 1 drink in at evening time. Last night at 2 a.m., as the beautiful moon shone at me through curtains, I was awakened again with stomach pain-

Not terrible, but needing release. It's real for me.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Really good description Surprise! Stomach pain is a big sign. You are so right about the diflucan. When I kill parasites there is more yeast.

Gigi has explained this before as when we kill parasites, they release the metals they had in their coats--hence more yeast (she said that our bodies protect us from metals with yeast). I've experienced this just getting rid of my amalgams (yeast dropped). Remember to take binders. [Smile]

I did some humaworm last night and cloves. Today I think I'll take some salt/c. Time to die parasites!

Kelmo, food grade DE is good for getting rid of some parasites. It doesn't kill all of them. But anything you take makes a dent, IMO. Before a full moon is a good time to take it. Also it's a great binder.

IMO, we never really get rid of parasites. Maybe there is a symbiotic thing going on with them. We have to knock them back though (just like bb) to get the upper hand.

Kill on warriors!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Gael, thank you for suggesting meditation. I did it last night and it helped. :)
 
Posted by lyme987 (Member # 22148) on :
 
Anyone have any suggestions for horrible lower intestinal pain? Just started black walnut hull 2 days ago
Today is the worst day by far

I already do lemons, Epsom salt bath, systemic enzymes, tons of water...
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Omg cat girl you just described me to a t with what you have been going through the last few days. Just add in some dizziness and weakness/ pain and that is me. Feel like I have the flu
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome catgirl! Everyone should consider warm water enemas to release the dead and dying parasites from the lower colon.

It will help to release excess gas and discomfort. VERY happy to see so many here going after the parasites. Onward to health!

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Does anyone ever feel like there is a tiny hair on their face itching them, but there's really nothing there at all? I noticed this the past few days. I did take humaworm the night before this started happening.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Catgirl, I have had this recently - following my oral surgery. I am also having bug crawling sensations on my feet and hands. I don't know if it is lyme resurfacing or something else. Pain in joints and bones as well. I am herxing on the augmentin that oral surgeon prescribed so I don't want to add anything into the mix right now.

At some point, I will re-try Hanna Kroeger wormwood complex. I'm on low dose salt c for now. And I have lots of cloves in my diet. Also on Byron White AL Complex to boost my immune system. Very low dose, though.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Anyone feel like their sx are flaring like crazy today and that they are losing their minds and all over the place cognitively and emotionally today with the super moon tonight?

My sx are all flaring like crazy and dizzy and myopia are all over the place today. Anyone else?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I took a paracide last night and wow did I ever feel it this morning
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I am lucky enough to be on my Alinia pulse right now so feeling pretty good.

Hit em while you have them on the ropes I suppose. Hope everyone manages okay...
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Dbpei. [Smile] I did just have some dental work, but the crawling sensation is on the opposite side (weird). Maybe the novocaine has something to do with it (strong stuff).

I'm also on Byron White (love it). Was Hanna Kroeger hard on you? I am trying that one now hoping it won't constipate me like humaworm does.

I tried something new last night and had some success. I took some DE with cloves last night and it started hitting something right away. I thought it would shred some parasites and kill the eggs all at the same time.

I immediately developed some pain behind my eye (for just a few minutes). Eye pain is bart on me and other bart symptoms often flare around full moons on me as well.

I energy tested A-Bart this morning and it was a strong response, so I'm pretty sure it's on top. It tested the strongest for me out of all my formulas, so I upped my dose a drop. Loving Byron White again. [Smile]

[ 06-22-2013, 10:33 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hey catgirl how do you energy test?

Do you use a pendulum?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Yes, I am miserable :-/. Sorry, misery does not love company.

Whew. On a quality Clark tincture, 2 dropper full, 3x a day.
I think this is the strongest parasite die off I've had, including
when I did parasite drug protocols.

Pushing through, literally, can't wait until Tuesday. Has to be better then, right? Plus, I'm switching herbals Tuesday.

But yeah. Brutal. Part of me thinks I should slow down, but it's been so effective...
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
My hands or sway method.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Catgirl, I did try Hanna Kroeger in the past and it really constipated me. I have been taking DE ever since I started Salt C protocol and love it(not the taste, though!)

I have a lot of faith in Byron White herbs and hope that AL complex will help to get my immune system working for me again. I am only at 2 drops twice a day because I have been herxing pretty badly from Augmentin and recovering from the oral surgery, which probably got a lot of bugs out of hiding.

Where/how did you learn to energy test yourself?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Okay guys, when doing Humaworm or Hanna Kroeger you have to do a cleanse along with the herbs. Humaworm has their own that they suggest when doing the Humaworm. Not sure what Hanna Kroeger suggests. Parastroy comes with a cleanse (Para Sweep_

I find that the salt/c acts like a cleanse, especially at higher doses. Make sure you drink plenty of water when doing herbs so that you can help the colon expel the waste.

And again, the warm water enemas also help a lot. If you can get a colonic once a week that is also a good idea.

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Anyone else get major mood swings when treating parasites?
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Hi all,
I just want to post a quick update....I have all of my children doing the MMS parasite protocol and tonight all of them passed obvious worms. My 6 year old daughter climbed into bed and said, "I feel SO MUCH BETTER!" I didn't even realize she felt bad and asked her what felt better. She answered, "my neck, my legs, everything." This was about an hour after she passed several worms.

My daughter and son both had PANDAS/OCD symptoms this winter and my son was becoming autistic before my eyes. He graudally improved with herbal parasite cleanses but the huge change in his behaviors was made when we started MMS. Today and tonight he was totally normal. He actually wanted to go outside and play baseball. No loud talking, no hyperactivity, no OCD behaviors.

I am so excited to get my three children to 100%!

tickbattler
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Maya - YES - behavior issues and crying or violent behaviors were the biggest symptoms in my kids. They would change on a dime....jeckyl and hyde.

tickbattler
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Or feel relly bein fogged and put of it and confused?

and tickbattler that is how I have been lately.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Is this jeckyl and Hyde normal in adults too, I am just all over the place, depressed, crying , raging , anxiety , ocd and this is constant. Can the parasite treatment be really really rough at the start?

I just started a month ago.


And tickbattler how long did it take for you son to start improving? Was it really rough for him at 1 mth into parasite treatment?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dbpei, I learned on lymnet (search). I did the sway method first (lymenet), and the hands on you tube. I'm learning the a tensor now, but it takes practice, and I've been very busy with not much time lately.

Gael, thank you so much for the reminder. I need it with my lyme brain (lol)!

Tick battler, awesome news! I am SO happy to hear your kids are doing so much better! Did your children start out with the baby bottle method or the enemas? also, how long have you and the kids been on MMS? Also, are they all on abx too?
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Yes - adults can have the same symptoms. I don't doubt that many bi-polar adults or those with multiple personality disorders have parasites as the root cause (probably along with bartonella and ehrlichia!).

My son's improvement was very gradual. He still had major symptoms after a month of treatment and was dizzy and could not do his school work. Major brain fog. By about 2 months, the tourrettes was almost gone. I KNEW the primary cause of his anger/crying and violent tourrettes talk and OCD was parasites because within 15 minutes of taking the capsule, his symptoms would worsen. My daughter would start antagonizing her brothers and would start hitting everyone and throwing things within 15 mintues of her dose. I gave them clay for detox and galactose to take care of the ammonia which comes with parasite die off. He still was very tired a lot and seemed in a fog 4 months into treatment but the tourrettes was gone. He still had some OCD tendencies. We then started the MMS and that made a HUGE difference for him. His remaining "autistic" sytmptoms are melting away, along with his fatigue. I have never been so excited about a treatment for him.

tickbattler
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl! My kids started the baby bottle oral dosing of MMS around May 30th. I started them with the parasite MMS enema protocol 2 days ago to coincide with the full moon.

They are also on the Klinghardt lyme cocktail which always works on their lyme/coinfections (they just get reinfected every year from the mosquitoes so that's why they are on it much of the time). NO ABX needed!!!

tickbattler
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Wow, tickbattler!! Just WOW. Bless your children.

I am doing glycine enemas, and started back Salt/C at dinner, and alternate Smooth Move Tea or Oxy Cleanse before bed-
Protein Isolate Fiber... have to keep it all moving out.

I think I may just finish out this tincture until it's gone instead of stopping on Tuesday, since it's been so successful, probably last another full week,

been running over what options to do next full moon. I may try to get some Albendazole again.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Tick battler! I am on malarone and byron white right now and wonder if I can still try the MMS? I guess I better look for Gigi's thread!
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Thanks surprise - glad you are having success!

Catgirl - From what I have read, you can take pharmaceuticals while taking MMS. You just can't take antioxidants, because the MMS will not work. No vit C or A or juice. You can get more details from Kerri Rivera's book, which has everything you need to know about how to do the protocols. Her website also has all the info you need as well.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks! So when do you take C or A? I need C for my adrenals. I guess I'd have to pulse it? I need to get the book.
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
tick battler,

So happy to hear of the improvements in your family!! Such wonderful news!

How do you take the galactose? I struggle with high ammonia and would like to look into using this.

Thanks so much
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
Catgirl - I think you are just not supposed to take these vitamins for the first couple of months....then later you can start adding in supplements. It you take them over an hour away from the MMS - maybe it would be OK, but you would want to double check that. I have not yet read much of the book....still learning myself but the results are pretty obvious so far!

Birdie - I get Galactose from Biopure. It is pretty expensive but it seems to really help so I think it is worth it. When I'm herxing, I take a teaspoon dissolved in a small amount of water. I normally take it twice/day.

tickbattler
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Tick battler. My husband used to take MMS years ago. He was way ahead of me (neither of us knew we had lyme). He also used to do humaworm back then as well. But he was much younger and didn't have the adrenal issues I do. I need to check out the book.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I did some Hanna K and salt c last night. I was a little dizzy after doing the salt/c, but it passed. I had very mild stomach pain which I know can be a symptom of parasites, but I feel better today. Energy testing shows bart has passed. I took more A-Bart yesterday so maybe that had something to do with me not needing it today.

Gael, I still had some constipation this morning (Hanna K). Do you think I needed more salt C? I didn't take any yesterday am, just pm. I will check out Hanna K's cleanse today.

It's enema day for me today (lol)!
 
Posted by treeinatree (Member # 38613) on :
 
Reposting to this thread:
Yesterday I took prazi and iverm.

Today woke up with my vision looking like someone is turning a light dimmer switch up and down during distance viewing.
Eyes slightly red. Looks like a small white spot in each pupil (but may be a reflection) which Internet says can be from toxocara canis.

Took serrapeptase, waited a bit, then 4 activated charcoal.

It is hard to tell the difference between this and feeling faint. I feel a bit weak but the bright/dim is beyond that. It seems to be in a ring in each eye. Much worse with two eyes open.

Anyone had this in eyes?

Tree
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

If you are still on 1/4tsp salt/c, you would need to increase that another 1/4tsp and drink it through the day with extra water. Also salt and vitamin C are great adrenal supports.

If you herx too much, just let the herx calm down and then proceed. Drinking enough water is important to keep the bowels moving. Keep us posted. tickbattler, SOOOOO happy to hear the great news about yoir kids. Updates are great!

Gael
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I have just stopped parasite treatment for a few days. Needed a break but does anyone find they feel pretty crappy for a few days after stopping til the body cleans out a bit?
 
Posted by GreenWings (Member # 40735) on :
 
I am not well enough to read this whole thread, but I was directed here from a thread I posted about the full moon (thank you for those who posted to me).

I was wondering if extreme itching is a symptom of parasites or parasite die-off?

I was just bit by a tick a month ago and I don't think I initially had Babesia symptoms...until 3 days ago with I got really bad shortness of breath, like someone is sitting on my chest and lungs. Is Babesia a parasite, and is it active during the full moon?

Thank you for answering my questions.
 
Posted by treeinatree (Member # 38613) on :
 
Greenwings, you might want to read through the basic information links on the site for each infection you are being treated for or suspect. Below is the link on Lyme and coinfections.

Babesia is a parasite of red blood cells, similar to malaria. There are many species, and testing is only available for a few.

http://www.prohealth.com/library/showArticle.cfm?libid=16301&B1=EG060111
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
treeinatree - I believe that I read here (& elsewhere) that ivermectin can affect vision. You may want to try an herbal anti-parasite protocol instead.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
GreenWings,

Google parasite symptoms. Humaworm has a great list and itching and dry skin are on the list.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
GreenWings, I had itching and thought it was due to yeast. It turned out to be parasites (parasite treatment got rid of it).
 
Posted by treeinatree (Member # 38613) on :
 
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.pharmtox.43.100901.140233

It looks like a mutation in the MDR1 gene is responsible for some drug processing problems in some humans and dogs. Ivermectin is one of the drugs affected.

Looking at dog forums, I found examples of dogs with temporary vision loss (and worse) from ivermectin. That said, it is in common use and works for many. I'm going to put it on my don't take list.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael!
 
Posted by OtterJ (Member # 30701) on :
 
I am allergic to psyllium and many of the packaged treatments have this in them. Anyone have ideas as to a brand or therapy to try?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I've heard that humaworm can tailor make your formula for you. You can call and ask them not to put any psyllium in yours.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
treeinatree - yes. Many of these concepts in anti-parasite treatments - especially with drugs - can cause unwanted side effects. We have to be cautious & research everything well.

It takes time & persistence. I'm not against drugs but the herbs do work, too. I'd be more cautious with the drugs, though. Some doctors recommend pretty large doses for long periods of time. I don't think some of the drugs have been studied for long term use.

There are also issues of resistance.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I am just wondering if systemic enzymes like wobenzyn hit parasites at all or do they do anything that would cause a herx?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Enzymes can chew up the parasites and def cause a herx. I take Super Digestaway by Soloray plant enzymes that contain papaya and bromelein.

Both are antiparasitic. They also contain ox bile and pancreatin plus aloe vera and other really good ingredients.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi all. I would like to join this thread.
I religiously believe in parasite cleanses.

Parasite kits/products I've tried:
-Humaworm. I didn't find I felt any better with it, and I also didn't find any strange things in the toilet. It was expensive and it took a really long time to arrive.
-ParaGone by Renew Life, that was OK-still no strange things in the toilet but energy level felt better.
-Hanna Kroeger kit (cloves, wormwood mix, black walnut). I felt terrific on it. Energy level improved, I slept way better. A few suprises in the toilet.
Hulda Clark protocol. Essentially similar to Kroeger but with the addition of L-Ornithine and L-Arginine for detoxing ammonia.

I also want to add that I have routinely done stool tests/samples at the docs because of IBS. They always came back negative for parasites, even though I would routinely find stringy things that look like worms in the toilet.

Anyways...my mom is a retired lab tech and told me that when she went to school (1970's), the lab techs were trained to look for cysts only, NOT worms. Apparently the cyst type is what is used to identify the species of parasite. Not sure if that is what they are still being taught but would explain why mainstream medicine denies parasites.

And as a final note, sorry this post is so long, I use ascorbic acid (Vit c) in a salt shaker and shake it on all my food along with salt. Hulda Clark recommended it for molds, but I do this to try and increase the salt/C I consume every day. It makes my food tangy and I like it.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Welcome Greta! Thank you for posting about the lab techs--I'm not surprised they only looked for cyst form. That is great you treat religiously. IMO, treatment is a lifelong issue. We have to knock them back. I just feel better when I treat.

Have you tried the salt/c protocol yet? It's a nice addition to the herbs. I've tried salt/c in the past (and liked it), but have recently included it with some of the herbal products you mentioned above. It's a nice mix because the salt/c helps flush my system better.

I've done several rounds of parasite meds too. The herbs are just as strong, if not stronger, IMO.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks for all that good info Greta! I love that idea of putting salt and Vit C crystals in a salt shaker. I have the Hanna Kroeger wormwood combo here at home.

I was going to try again soon, but still struggling with recuperation from oral surgery (dental cavitation extraction). I also need to take cholestyramine in the middle of the day.

Can anyone here chime in and let me know if taking the HK wormwood complex would be okay just before breakfast and dinner instead of 3 x day?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dbpei, I take it on an empty stomach at night before bed sometimes, or even when I get up to use the bathroom. I also only take it just twice a day. I like this one because it's mild. It's great if you add some salt/c too. They are a nice combination. The salt/c would probably be good to help you to heal after your surgery too (maybe drink it throughout the day).
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
The instructions say to take it 3 x day right before meals. That is good to know that you have had good results taking it in other ways, Catgirl. I always worry about Meds not working right if you don't follow the instructions to a tee, nervous Nellie that I am [Roll Eyes]

With all the other meds/supplements I am on, it is a challenge! I have just started to increase my salt c a bit with the hope that it will improve the healing as well. Keeping my fingers crossed it will help.
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
Do worms/segments float or sink?

Mucous?

I did another saline enema - just wondering.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Mucous is def part of the parasite infection. I have seen worms and parasites float to the top, but if there is a lot of small ones, they can sink. Have you seen any floaters susan?

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi all. Just a quick question about S+C. I joined the lymestrategies group on yahoo and got some great info from there. However, I am concerned about vomiting up the s+c. I was going to start out with 1/2 tsp of each per day, diluted in water method. But the last time I drank salty water-I vomited violently. Any tips? And do you think it is wise to start out with 1/2 tsp each per day, or should I ramp it up slightly?
Thanks [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I would start out with 1/4 tsp of each and ramp up slowly (that's what I did).
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
OK, thanks Catgirl. How long did you stay at 1/4 tsp.? Did you increase the dose when you stopped herxing? Thanks
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I stayed on that dose for about six months (didn't follow the book). My body does better doing things slowly. Plus, I was doing other stuff like chelating heavy metals and hit a snag with the metals, so I went super slow.

No, I've never increased the dose. I've done several rounds of parasite meds. I am also back chelating metals again. My body tells me what I can handle, so I haven't upped the salt/c yet.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
OK, thanks Catgirl [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome! :)
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Welcome, Greta. One of the ways that I sometimes take in the Salt and C is to make a drink that tastes like a sports drink.

I mix together 1/4 tsp powdered Vit C and an equal amount of salt with 1 cup of water. I squeeze juice of a lemon and add some stevia to it to taste.

Some people mix higher concentrations and sip throughout the day. But you have to remember to drink at least a cup of water for each gram of salt/c.

This might be a little more appealing to you. I know some also make their own the salt capsules. Good luck!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
dbpei-I like the idea of a lemon sports drink...more palatable. Thanks [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Greta,

I increased the salt/c 1/4tsp a day according to how I was herxing. I waited until the herx calmed down and then increased it again.

I worked my way up to 20gms a day (4tsp in divided doses)very slowly. Most people don't go that high, but find that it really chased these parasites out from their hiding places.

I also recommend drinking coconut water to balance out electrolytes. I also took antiparasitic herbs and digestive enzymes. Good luck with this protocol.

Gael
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
Not sure if I passed a couple of worms or not.

I have not taken anything in about a month that could hit worms/parasites.

My bowels were "empty". I mixed a tiny bit of sea salt with a tiny bit of baking soda and inserted with Fleet enema bottles - approx 2 cups.

So; clear water in and mostly clear water out. No feces. Did not expect to see anything but I looked. In the bottom of the toilet were two objects that looked very much like worms.

Brownish color. Skinny. One about 1.1/2" long. The other half that length. Both in a "C" shape. I fished them out - whereupon they looked more yellow in color and started to "unravel" - or" unfold".

Another "object" was encased in mucous. Brownish looking.

Mucous meaning like egg whites.

Sorry cannot describe well. I put the objects in water in a jar then into the freezer.

If not worms - then what could this be? Whatever the "objects" are - why revealed after a salt water enema? Why were they "alone" in the toilet with no feces?

Again sorry my bad explanations. Thanks thoughts.
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
Further - found some interesting articles in regards to salt enemas and herbs - from 1886!!

Google:

Nathan Smith Davis parasites enema

That should pull up a few things but look for the one starting "Lecture" (from 1886) which should put you on page 845.

Very interesting.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Parasites can sit in the lower colon and not exit until evacuated with an enema. The salt enema that you did was sure to help that cause.

Yes, they sure sound like worms from your description. Might be a good idea to continue with salt/c and some antiparasitics.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Gael,
Thanks for the tips on slowly increasing salt/c and the coconut water.
I haven't herxed before, on anything, abx or herbal, so it will be interesting to see if the salt/c causes a herx.
[Smile]
 
Posted by GreenWings (Member # 40735) on :
 
Can you experience a herx or parasite die-off symptoms from pumpkin seed butter?

One of my family members told me pumpkin seeds kill parasites so I got Jarrow brand pumpkin seed butter (has pumpkin seed oil in it too) and ate a lot of it. I can't figure out if I'm having symptoms (air hunger, GI problems, dizziness, itching, weakness, brain fog, etc.) from something else, or if this is due to killing parasites.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi Greenwings,
Well I tried 1/2 tsp of salt with 1/2 tsp of Vit C in a lime water 'sports drink.' Two days in a row now. It tastes great. But it didn't cause a herx at all.
I would be open to trying the pumpkin seed butter...will try anything for a cure.
Just a question though-is it smooth butter, or kind of chunky? I don't digest seeds well... they come out in the same form they go in, if you catch my meaning. [Razz]
Thanks [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
GretaM,

You have to STAY on the salt/c and antiparasitic herbs to create a herx. The salt/c is a very powerful protocol. The combo of salt/c and the herbs can pack quite a wallop and I would be very surprised if you don't start herxing after you give it a little time. Make sure you drink plenty of water also.

Gael
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Just in case anyone is interested - the Deseret Biological VER worked well for me. I posted about it earlier in the thread. It's not expensive.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks sparkle. Tried to look it up. Not sure which formula you are referring to. Are you saying VER? Is it silver? What did it do for you? Glad it worked.

Gael
 
Posted by GreenWings (Member # 40735) on :
 
GretaM, the pumpkin seed butter is entirely smooth but just to warn you...it's BRIGHT green!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Gael-I'm up to 3/4 tsp of each salt and C so far. The extra Vit C is not irritating my stomach, so I'll go up to 1 tsp each tomorrow. I really like the lime "sport drink", thanks for the great suggestion!
Greenwings-haha! OK, I will try the pumpkin seed butter-thanks for the head's up about the green color! Haha!
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
http://www.undergroundhealth.com/eliminating-the-stomach-parsites-you-almost-certainly-have/
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks for posting tutu. Great info!

Gael
 
Posted by GreenWings (Member # 40735) on :
 
A parasite killing treat:
http://www.nojunqueliving.com/2013/03/28/pumpkin-seed-butter-coconut-bars/

A parasite killing breakfast: http://detoxinista.com/2012/09/pumpkin-seed-granola-nut-free-grain-free/

A parasite killing snack: http://www.tastyeatsathome.com/2013/02/italian-herb-crackers-grain-free-nut-free-vegan/
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Great link Lymetoo!

GreenWings, thank you for the recipes! I think I can handle the crackers. :)
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Thanks for the links everyone!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Maya12:
Based on what we are talking about I thought i would post this from Dr. Klinghardt at one of the conferences:

�Dr. Klinghardt has found immense success in treating parasites as a focus. Many that think Lyme is their problem actually are suffering from parasites. The natural sequence is to treat the parasites first and then treat the Lyme. When this is done, years of antibiotic therapy turns into weeks or months.

�Parasite patients often express the psyche of the parasites - sticky, clingy, impossible to tolerate - but a wonderful human being is behind all of that.

�We are all a composite of many personalities. Chronic infections outnumber our own cells by 10:1. We are 90% "other" and 10% "us". Our consciousness is a composite of 90% microbes and 10% us. Our thinking, feeling, creativity, and expression are 90% from the microbes within us. Patients often think, crave, and behave as if they are the parasite.

Our thinking is shaded by the microbes thinking through us. The food choices, behavioral choices, and who we like is the thinking of the microbes within us expressing themselves.

�Patients will reject all treatments that affect the issue that requires treating. Patients will not guide themselves to health when the microbes have taken over.

�Viruses in the nervous system are likely not the cause of CFS. They are certainly often present, but when treated, the patient may only get a little better. The two main causes are parasites (mainly lungworm) and chronic nasal staph infection.

These nasal infections enter the hypothalamus which then leads to suppression of MSH. One's level of fatigue and level of MSH are directly related. MSH is depressed by bacteria and mycotoxins.

�Parasite treatment may be needed for 6 months to a year. �Parasites induce changes in our system to make us a comfortable host.

Maya posted this early on, but I was looking for some inspiration today (great info) Thanks Maya!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Maya12:
And this:

Dr. Simon Yu - Parasites

When the latest medical therapies fail, think dental issues and parasites. �Dr. Yu uses EAV testing / Acupuncture Meridian Assessment to gain information about stressors in the body.

Unsuspected dental problems may be a significant factor impacting health - amalgams, root canals, TMJ, galvanism, implants, heavy metals, bonding materials, metal allergies, and microorganisms. Dr. Yu sees amazing shifts in EAV testing results after parasite treatment. He rarely uses antibiotics.

Strongyloides is a common microfilarial worm. Could it be to blame for brain lesions? CCSVI?

Cancer may be related to dental issues, parasites, heavy metals, and unresolved emotions.
Most parasites are outside of the intestinal tract. They are deceptive, adaptive, and difficult to eradicate.

Parasites bring bacteria, viruses, and fungi with them. Deworming horses regularly is known to increase their lifespan. Deworming is a good anti-aging therapy.

Parasites are like your children that don't leave the house. You can get parasites from inhaling parasite eggs. Dr. Yu does not put people on nutritional supplements until the parasites are purged. Parasites can control your mind.
Clove oil may be helpful. Black Walnut, Wormwood, Artemisia, and Citrus Seed may be useful.

Dr. Yu is not convinced that zappers will work for parasites. He uses longer, higher doses of anti-parasite medications than what is described in the PDR. He also uses combination therapy.

Another great post of Maya's worth reviewing, IMO (thank you Maya).
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
GREAT info! Thanks [Smile]
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Hi Everyone,

This is a great thread to read for the support. Have been focusing on parasites and it has been a hard road. They do not like the attention they have been getting from me.

I know now I have "rope" parasites whatever these things might actually be. I have seen them myself so there is no doubt that they actually exist. I was hoping someone here was familiar with the enema protocol used to eliminate them?

The articles on rope parasites vaguely describe the protocol but not in enough detail to follow it.

I have been pulling them out with saline enemas but I am so creeped out right now I want them GONE. I know you all understand. I had focused on Lyme for years but never truly got well and was never cured. My son and I have made more progress going after parasites but it does make the mental, yeast, and heavy metal symptoms flair as many of you know. What a life!

I know from the posts that most people list what they've tried in the past so I'll just say there ain't much we haven't tried. Rife, photons, meds, herbs. We know we have heavy metal toxicity from lab work but have severe reactions when we try to chelate. That is one way we found out about the parasites. Tried chelation and our EOS levels went through the roof.

Anyhow, if anyone knows the enema rope parasite removal protocol that would be great.

Thanks, Truesun
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Google...enemas for parasite removal. Lots of good info.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
This may seem like a silly question...

Is an enema only necessary if one doesn't void their bowels more than once per day?

Can someone, like myself, who has IBS-D, benefit from enemas?

I would like to try a coffee enema, but I am concerned it will irritate my colon more, and I'll spend even more time on the can.


Would just be interested to hear if anyone decreased their, um, pooping frequency with enemas.
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Thank you Gael,

I know there is a specific enema protocol mentioned in the research papers using baking soda, lemon juice, etc that you do in a certain order but I can't find the details.

In reply to GretaM, the enemas pull them away from the intestinal wall where they can attach, so I would guess that one would still benefit. That is if you have parasites that attach to the wall. I never saw them until I tried the enemas and then they came pouring out.

Since trial and error seems to be what many of us do here you could try and see if maybe it would help. I don't know about coffee for someone with IBS,maybe something more soothing like baking soda. There are people here more up on this than I am, hopefully they'll chime in. I know the enemas help me alot when I'm feeling poisoned from all this stuff.

Wishing you well, TrueSun
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Thank you Gael,

I know there is a specific enema protocol mentioned in the research papers using baking soda, lemon juice, etc that you do in a certain order but I can't find the details.

In reply to GretaM, the enemas pull them away from the intestinal wall where they can attach, so I would guess that one would still benefit. That is if you have parasites that attach to the wall. I never saw them until I tried the enemas and then they came pouring out.

Since trial and error seems to be what many of us do here you could try and see if maybe it would help. I don't know about coffee for someone with IBS,maybe something more soothing like baking soda. There are people here more up on this than I am, hopefully they'll chime in. I know the enemas help me alot when I'm feeling poisoned from all this stuff.

Wishing you well, TrueSun
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Truesun- Thank you for replying. Yes, it sure would be nice to get rid of any extra 'critters'. Probably getting rid of them would improve my IBS. Thanks for the tip about baking soda.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
I didn't read all the posts above - I don't have time right now. Here's this info again - it's homeopathic, not silver.

Deseret Biologicals - VER

http://www.pureformulas.com/ver-1-oz-by-deseret-biologicals.html


VER NOSODE all at 30-60-200x


ANCYLOSTOMA DUODENALE ............ Hookworm


ASCARIS LUMBRICOIDES ................... Roundworm


BRUGIA FILARIA ............................... Lymphatic parasite


CLONORCHIS SIENENSIS .................... Liver fluke


CRYPTOSPORIDIUM PARVUM ............. Intestinal protozoa


DIPHYLLOBOTHRIUM LATUM ............ Fish tapeworm


ENTEROBIUS VERMICULARIS ............. Pinworm


GIARDIA LAMBLIA ............................ Intestinal protozoa


NECATOR AMERICANUS .................... Hookworm


OPISTHORCHIS SINENSIS ................... Liver fluke


PARAGONIMUS WESTERMANI ............ Lung fluke


SCHISTOMSOMA MANSONI ................ Blood fluke


STRONGYLOIDES STERCORALIS ......... Roundworm


TAENIA SOLIUM ................................ Pork tapeworm


TANENIA SAGINATA ......................... Common tapeworm


TRICHINELLA SPIRALIS ..................... Porkworm


TRICHOMONAS VAGINALIS ................ Genital nematode


TRICHURIS TRICHIURA ...................... Whipworm


CINA MARITIMA 3X Nervous, mental and bodily symptoms due to roundworms or pinworms. Twitching, spasms due to worms.


ARTEMISIA VULGARIS 2X Nausea, vomiting and cramps due to worm infestation.


GRAPHITES 12X Abdominal cramps and pain. Expulsion of worms.


CALCAREA CARBONICA 12X Expulsion of tapeworms, round worms and pin worms.


SPIGELIA 3X Protects liver from damage due to blood borne toxins. Anti�viral, stimulates immune system, improves effectiveness of glucococorticoids.


MELILOTUS OFFICIALLUS 3X Abdominal distension, flatulence.


TEUCRIUM MARUM VERUM 3X Polypi, chronic nasal catarrh, itching anus, ascarides with nightly restlessness, crawling in rectum after stool, restless sleep, itching skin.


FILIX 2X Worm colic with itching nose, expulsion of tape worms, abdominal bloating.


MERCURIUS CORROSIVUS 12X Epigastrium very sensitive, cramps, feeling as if stool is never done.


SILICEA 6X Assimilation problems, bone problems, fibrotic conditions, headache, vertigo, profuse sweat of head.


IODIUM 12X Emaciation, headaches, lymphatic swelling, worms.


QUASSIA AMARA 3X Acts on digestive organs as a tonic, expulsion of threadworms.


SABADILLA 12X Itching from anus and rectum caused by pinworms.


THYMUS SERPYLLUM 3X Hookworm, tapeworm, colitis, diarrhea.

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I took a few doses & was definitely expelling some sort of parasite stuff. Stuff I don't think I've seen before... I don't see why you couldn't take it along with the salt/C or other protocols.

It does seem strong to me in a way that something homeopathic can be very intense. It's different than herbs or drugs.
 
Posted by OtterJ (Member # 30701) on :
 
I have Herb Pharm's "Intestinal Tract Defense" and have been doing many drops in water 3x a day. How long would I do this before I experienced some kind of result? Nothing yet. No constipation, bloat, or anything else. Waiting, waiting, waiting....
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
I have been doing the "lyme bullets" (thieve's oil and oregano oil) for a week to try and stay the lyme while I am off the abx...

Not quite sure if it is meant to be anti parasitic...but... there are some strange things going on in my poop... (TMI?)

Anyone else notice this with thieve's oil or oregano oil?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Gael-you mentioned buying the salt/c book online...
When I checked Amazon it was $40...
Do you feel it is worth the $40? Or is it nearly as effective to join the s&c group on yahoo?

Thanks [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I don't have the salt/c book, but I have read others here that have purchased it say that it was very helpful. It is a good guide if you are going to do the protocol. I didn't buy it because I was already far into the protocol when it became available.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hi warriors! It's that time again (full moon). How is everyone doing?

Insomnia hit me last night (argh). I'm finally adding in some salt/c to the parasite herbal products. Gael was right, things flow better with salt/c (thank you Gael!). I am rotating the herbal products daily too (muscle testing--very helpful).

I haven't seen much evidence but know it's hitting them because my energy is better when I take them. The minimal amount of salt/c alone that I took didn't really give me much energy, but once I combined it with herbs, energy improved. Not as strong energy wise as the meds, but I'll take it. Probably better for me too. I had to up my yeast stuff though (all part of this). Now I'm working on the metals the parasites left behind.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Otter, I'm not familiar with the Intestinal Tract Defense (sorry).

Greta, I haven't tried the thieves oil and oregano oil. Do you combine them and are you having any luck with them? I've taken oregano oil pills but never noticed anything. That doesn't mean anything though as many parasites are microscopic, and some of the bigger ones can get bound up in the intestinal tract.
 
Posted by delljen (Member # 25090) on :
 
I just received a second positive parasite test. Taxonomy unknown. My doctor finally prescribed one week of mebendazole 2 pills a day, am and pm then a week off and another week on with doxy.

He said he always ignores the first positive test !!?? I'm told him that I had heard it was difficult to get a positive at all. He didn't respond.

I swear they just don't want to treat anything different or difficult. This is NOT my LLMD. She sent me to him for my gut stuff because she didn't know anything about treating parasites. At least I have a script now. That of course my insurance would not cover! Whatever.

I thought that 9 months of Ivermectin(for FL1953) would take care of any of my gut parasites. Guess not.

I have also tried humaworm. Herxed on that and saw some stuff but there must be a lot more where that came from, ugh!

I don't know why I am so scared to do the mebendazole. I have been waiting for a doctor to believe me and now that I have the script I'm scared to take it. I read about scattering and stuff.

I guess with all the meds and herxing I have done in the past three years I can handle this, right?

So here goes. I hope it helps. I'll let you know. Ugh : /
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hey that's awesome news about the mebendezole! And this is a perfect time to take them because of the full moon. Congrats on getting 2 positives!

The doc sounds a bit pass�e about parasites...bet he'd sing a different tune if he had the positive tests and the parasites in his body!

I just took some combrantin.

Catgirl-the lyme bullets I made were 12 drops of thieve's oil, 5 drops of oregano oil in gelatin capsules and topped up with coconut oil. Both oils were suitable for internal use and were organic.

The original lyme bullet has frankinsence oil but I am broke right now and the only internal use one I can find is by young living so I am saving up for it.

Anyways, I made due with what I had. And I could see tiny worms in the toilet after a week of the bullets. Hence combantrin today.

When I take my salt c my stomach gurgles like crazy. I hope it's blasting any parasites away.

Happy Full Moon Hunting all!
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I think I have asked this before. It does woobenzyn increase the effectiveness of the anti parasitics since it breaks down biofilms and thins the blood out.

Does it also increase the effectiveness of the anti parasitics against babs/Bart ?

Ie a bigger , more severe and longer herx after taking it with the paracide?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Delljen! It sickens me how clueless doctors are about parasites, but they were taught that parasites simply aren't an issue in first world countries. If only they would listen to their patients, and also open their minds. Sigh...

Very cool, Greta! Coconut oil is a great idea. :)
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hello- suspended some herb tinctures this morning to get back on my powerful Clark Tincture 3x day up to the full moon-

I had to give up the Salt portion of Salt/C, it was making me too bloated (I do drink a LOT of pure water). It's okay.

Onward and upward. Major heat wave here this weekend- stay well everyone.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Smart move surprise. May I add, ongoing parasite tx is imperative to get rid of parasites, eggs and larva. The bloating from the salt can come from the dieoff.

If you go higher on the salt/c dose you should get a diarrhea effect as stated in lymephotos. It will help get rid of the dead and dying parasites in the lower colon/ Enemas are important also.

Drinking salt in this heat wave is also a good idea with lots of water. The salt is VERY powerful against these parasites, makes them shrivel up and die. What dose of salt/c were you taking?

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Shrivelled up and dead is just how I like em'
[Wink]
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
Do any of you Salt/C folks take periodic breaks from the protocol. I recall reading somewhere (Dr K article?)that its recommended to do something like three week on and one week off. And on the off week do only a reduced amount of salt?????

Or do you just do the slow and steady everyday approach?

I've ramped up to 1 tsp 2x/day at 160 lbs, and holding steady for 3 months. Ready to increase.

gmb
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hi gmb,

I was so hell bent on getting rid of these parasites once I saw them exiting, that I just kep increasing the dose (slow and steady) until I reached 20gms or 1 tsp each in divided doses through the day. I am only 5'3 and weigh 120 lbs.

I am currently only sipping 5-10 gms through the day because that's all my body seems to want. Still doing antiparasitic herbs,enzymes and extra cloves as well.

I never took a break. Worked for me. Suggest checking with the lymestrategies folks to see what they suggest.

Drinking coconut water along with salt/c to help balance out electrolytes is also a good idea.

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Well, this has been a doozy. Hope everyone is doing okay.

I finally emptied the potent Clark tincture early this morning, last dose finished, and with relief threw it in the garbage, hoping to never see it again.

Not doing well- inflamed intestines, bottom- I can only liken it to the parasites (which I'm seeing) are angry- there is anger in my body.

After much research, pondering, intuition, my next step is mimosa pudica from Hopkins, and I ordered 2 different Biopure ozonated

oils (tinctures with added parasites herbs) as my next step/level. Might also add Neem.

Meanwhile, trying to detox and heal- doubled my curcumin, and just today, did castor oil packs for the first time

on my stomach/liver = heaven. Really relaxing, on my 2nd one! Took a teaspoon of virgin olive oil after, more release and evidence.

So there you have it. What a very difficult last 3 moon phases!
Also doing Natural Calm drinks (mag citrate) buffered C, milk thistle, lots of probiotics. Diet is very careful. Lots of water.

It's a battle.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi surprise,

Sounds like we had a similar experience.

Castor oil packs are my go-to for comfort. If I feel particularly toxic (ie: cranky), a castor oil pack normally sorts me out.

I'm back to 1/2 tsp S & C daily and everything seems good.
It seems like my body CRAVES the S & C. I make my S & C, lime and stevia every morning, and have to tell myself to slow down... drinking it throughout the day.

Also craving garlic pills. No kidding. My mind/body releases some kind of 'feel-good' when I see them. Almost like how I used to feel when I would see chocolate. haha.
I hope everyone else survived this moon.
 
Posted by OtterJ (Member # 30701) on :
 
I've been doing Herb Pharm's intestinal defense, and haven't noticed a big change. Had problems with burnt orange colored stools, which from my research on the web could mean parasites, and with a smallish bm this am, I had a clear goo come out. Gross. Not sure what this is, but wondering if I should add salt/c, or wait a bit. [toilet]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I would consider adding salt/c starting with a small dose of 1/4tsp each a day. The three most important herbs against parasites are WORMWOOD, BLACK WALNUT HULL AND CLOVES.

Also warm water enemas are very helpful to release any dead and dying toxins and parasites from the lower colon.

Gael
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
I am wondering why few persons here have not done a liver gall bladder cleanse.

Dr. Sutter and others have said this is critical in getting rid of parasites.

Here is his cleanse, plus he has a lot on Cure zone and his own website.

http://www.curemanual.com/2008/10/dr-sutters-olive-oil-coke-lemon-liver-flush/
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
I call it a cleanse but others call it a flush.

Whatever...I cannot wait until I receive my Ultra Phos so I can start the flushes!

I am currently doing the Desert Biological VER which was recommended here as a homeopathic for parasites and the Gaia Para shield.

Soon I will order the Barefoot Dewormer,


http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=155

Supposedly its the best herbal for the buggers.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hi patches- looks interesting! I would be too afraid to bring back yeast with that liver flush-

and a little afraid to mess with my gallbladder like that- I do like the castor oil packs, then ingesting coconut oil or olive oil-

Enema's, too. That seems to pull them out. So gross, really, all of it. Ill making in more ways than one. I need a break.

Couldn't see the ingredients for the barefoot dewormer product, says you have to email...
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Right, they really only communicate by email. But they do answer your questions.

There may be a way around the apple cider with malic acid...check up on it.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
I've been taking the VER with some diotomateous earth & an essential oil combo of thyme, oregano & cloves. I add some charcoal caps, chlorophyl, or clay if I get too toxic. I dowse everything so I take them on & off & in different dosages.

It's going pretty well with this. I'm still detoxing but I think it's doing something beneficial.

For some reason, I couldn't get into the salt/C. I'm not opposed to it but it didn't seem to be the right thing for me right now. I think the VER is good. It is powerful - so don't take it lightly just because it is homeopathic.

FYI -

Stomach Bug Symptoms, Treatment: Over 275 Diagnosed With Mystery Virus In 8 States According To CDC

http://www.latinospost.com/articles/24331/20130724/stomach-bug-symptoms-treatment-over-275-diagnosed-mystery-virus-8.htm

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The "mystery bug" isn't a virus at all. It's a parasite. It boggles the mind as to why they consistently hide that there are parasites affecting people.

I caught the tail end of this on the news here & they said it had something to do with fruit...

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Stomach Bug Symptoms, Treatment: Over 275 Diagnosed With Mystery Virus In 8 States According To CDC

More than 275 people throughout eight states have been infected with a stomach bug since last month, but health officials have not found the virus' origin.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the infection has been reported in Iowa, Nebraska, Texas, Wisconsin, Georgia, Connecticut and New Jersey, reports USA Today.

Most of the illnesses occurred from mid-June to early July. However, the CDC says it isn't clear whether the cases are all linked.

Cyclospora, the one-celled parasite that causes symptoms commonly associated with a viral stomach bug, is customary in tropical regions like Latin America, not the United States, states the CDC.

Unlike most stomach viruses that go away within a few days, the illness can last longer. Its symptoms include watery diarrhea, cramps, bloating, fatigue and weight loss.

The illness, which has sent at least 10 people to the hospital, is not spread person-to-person, but rather when people ingest foods or water contaminated with feces.

"CDC really has their hands full with this one," said Dr. Richard Besser, chief health medical correspondent for ABC News. "It's hard to pick up so there's probably a lot more of this disease out there."

The disease is curable with an antibiotic. Dr. Besser suggested alerting your doctor if you think you have it because physicians can do specific tests and prescribe the treatment that will rid your body of the illness.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
PS - be careful with the gall bladder flushes. They are a bit harsh. I got very ill from doing that. There are less invasive ways to clear out your gall bladder.

fyi - http://www.gallbladderattack.com/

I have been a big Doors fan since way back. Did anyone see that Ray Manzarek died recently? He died of bile duct cancer... Bet it was from parasites. Just an intuition. His wife is Japanese & he lived in CA - bet he ate alot of sushi... Like I said - just an intuition.

RIP.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Great article!
Thanks for posting it.

The advice for people to go to their docs for abx... Good luck...

What the medical establishment says it does, and what it actually does...
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
I am doing the Ver by Desert Bio also, but using it with the PE-1 as a nosode. I just started 2 weeks ago so too soon to notice any improvement yet. I test everything with my Biotensor first.

Ray Manzarek was actually a neighbor of mine. He lived about 10 doors down the road. Very sad, he was extremely nice.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Wow... Interesting about Manzarek being you neighbor! I didn't hear about his passing until recently. I would have thought it would have been a bigger thing in the media but it wasn't. I think he died in May.

I read he went to a fancy cancer clinic in Germany but I didn't see that he had any "alternative" treatments. I looked up the clinic but it seemed pretty standard - modern & progressive but standard. I like to read about what the "rich & famous" do for illness. Might get some ideas...

I was going to use the VER with my LightWorks but I dowsed it & it said to just take it orally. I saw results in a few days. Everyone is different, though.

In my case, I seem to need to take breaks from treatment every few days. I think my body needs to figure out how to heal itself or maybe I just need time to process the dead toxins? I'm not sure why this is. I do think the dowsing is pretty accurate. Not 100% but it's been really helpful & correct on so many occasions.

I'm not too sure on how to use infrared light in regards to parasites. I don't know if it kills them or invigorates them. When I first tried it - it made things worse but I didn't know I had parasites back then. I'm a bit standoffish with infrared light. It's great for aches & pains, hormone regulation, headaches, & alot of things but I don't know about parasite treatment.

I have a LightWorks which is not as powerful as the PE1. birdie67 - You may want to check it to see if you need to take the VER orally, as well. Just a suggestion. I'd be curious to see what you get.

I'm going to check it for myself again, too. I can use it with the LightWorks rather than the PE1.
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
It was in our local paper about Ray Manzarek. He was a quiet man. His house is nice but not super fancy. I live in the county of our town and some of our neighbor's didn't even know he lived here.

There have been a few flowers left at his gate but otherwise you would never even know he has lived here for so long.

When I check with my biotensor about the Ver, it says that it will not eradicate the parasites but will help to kill them. I am also doing salt/c and Parastroy. To be honest, I'm still getting comfortable with the biotensor. I think it's pretty accurate, but sometimes I question it and wonder if my thoughts control the answers.

I have roundworms, which are SO very stubborn to kill. I have done rounds and rounds of prescriptions and also Humaworm and others with no success. Hoping this will work.

Thanks for the suggestion of checking the Ver orally. I will do that tonight and let you know.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,

My doctor is now working with Dr. F.

Here are the symptoms according to Dr. F hardcopy hand-out.
Symptoms:
Cold hands and feet, often clammy, Poor capillary refill, skin color changes including pale, dusky, hyperemic (red), purple, mottled, HA, pain behind/in eyes, scalp sores, sinus congestion, PND, teeth pain, palpitations, SOB, air hunger, dry cough, episodic and periodic, abdominal pain, nausea, IBS, Bladder/pain dysfunction, interstitial cystitis, joint and muscle pain, weakness, twitches, profound fatigue, complete loss of aerobic exercise tolerance, sweats (night/day), chills, flushes, dizziness, insomnia, profound brain fog, poor balance, anxiety, panic, OCD, irritability, agitation, impulsivity, ADD, emotionality, hypercoagulability that has been associated with diseases such as CFS, Fibromyalgia, scleroderma, rheumatoid arthritis, Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis, ALS, Parkinsons, Autism, COPD, and others.

Treat for worms like crazy before treating proto.

I will try to post some of the recommendation in a little more than a week as I will be traveling.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CLOVES KILL PARASITE EGGS!! Got this info from Hulda Clark website and other parasite sites on the net. I use hanna kroeger capsules. The salt/c will also help kill the eggs.

It's an ongoing battle, but even after symptom free, Hulda Clark suggests maintenance FOREVER. If just one egg is left, the cycle will start all over again.

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
mlg: 'treat worms like crazy before treating promo'

Who is saying this, and why? Because it is believed if one has protomyxzoa, they have other deep parasite infections, like roundworms, strongl, tapeworm, what?

And by treating 'worms like crazy' this will help clear protomyxzoa infection, easier to clear?

Does this mean 'the Dr.s now on board' (CA LLMD's) are now prescribing accurate dosing of Albendazole, biltricide and the rest?

Is this now what Dr. F is saying 'treat worms like crazy' ?
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Dr F is now saying to first treat worms. My LLMD is giving me accurate doses of Albendazole, Ivermectin, etc.

My LLMD said you should be detoxing with enemas or colonics when treating parasites.

From reading lyme conferene notes, I know that Dr. K said that in every biofilm he found worm DNA. Maybe they are the ones that create the thickest, greatest biofilm. You thin out the biofilm and then hit proto, etc,
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Well, it's good to hear Dr. F and other LLMD's coming around to treat the worms like crazy.

My 1st LLMD, after having me go through a $250 Zyto session and parasites came out on top (before Lyme, Bart)

was shocked, and actually asked if 'I'd been traveling'
This was 2-3 years ago.

Because of that Zyto reading, I did get correct doses of Albendazole, Ivermectin- but only for 2 week rounds, done 3 times.

Interesting! Thanks!
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Mlg,

Thank you for posting the list of symptoms. This is actually very helpful since some of the symptoms associated with parasites are so weird. I actually get the mottled colored skin and teeth pain.

I have been hitting the parasites with different things the Nexus suppositories seem to really help on "that end"

Gael, this is a great thread Thank you. It is so hard to go through this and to read what others are experiencing and trying is so comforting.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I agree with Sparkle re Manzarek; parasites love the bile duct. What is in Ver? I can't access the site. Is it alcohol based?

Mlg, aren't you supposed to up your fats on albenza? How are you doing this with proto?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I think I need to slow down on treatment, and yet, deep into cleansing and don't know how.

I started Mimosa Pudica from Hopkins- not slowly, why of course not, 2 caps 2x a day- and biopure oils - along with the cats claw and Japanese knotwood I've been taking-

I am really expelling junk- parasites. Visible. Still! And now I seem obsessed- reading up on everything. My castor oil packs have also made an impact-
suppressed emotional feelings coming up-

I don't know if any of this makes sense-not sleeping well- kids go back to school in 2 weeks, and while that means I can rest, I hope I am feeling better, but I need 'summer' to be over.

I am getting a reality check on how long this really could take- I thought I was done treating, honestly, last Feb.- went off everything.

I have more parasite protocol plans and products lined up - switch it up- it IS hard. . But it sure would be wonderful to fix my gut issues. Hanging onto that-

And, I'm holding on to hope that dispelling this mess, it will give me a better future, without Alzheimer's or cancer, so I can be around clear headed for my kids later on,

I really believe these parasites just soak up and expel toxins, infections, together, while taking nutrients, life force.
Crazy. I wonder if I'm losing it, but, can't deny what I'm seeing and feeling.

Anyway, thanks- can't share this really with anyone else.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Surprise! That is good to know about the packs (I forgot about them). I'm going to do one tomorrow. I think treating parasites is a life long thing (just like it is for our pets).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Well, after treating for parasites for a year, I finally passed an 8 inch worm tonight. I can't believe it took a year (lol)! Gael, you were so right. [Smile] I added in salt/c & herbs and kept at it. Finally they are starting to come out. Whew hooo!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

That's great news!! Are you saying that you JUST added salt/c and herbs, or you increased the salt/c dose?

I was on antiparasitic herbs for 6 mos, and didn't pass anything until I added salt/c, then all hell broke loose and they came pouring out of me.

Shouldn't take a year to see results if you go high enough on the salt/c. Slowly of course. But Like Dr. K. said at low doses you are just poking them.

The herbs were def killing them, but they wouldn't let go until I hit them with the salt. They couldn't hang on and I had a mass exodus for mos.

The combo of the herbs and salt/c packs quite a punch. Keep going and also add extra cloves (Hanna Kroeger) to kill the eggs. the salt kills the eggs also. Sooo rewarding when these things start to exit and you see what has been making you so sick.

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Thanks :-). I had a better day today.

I am going to add/try ornithine supplement at night- Hilda Clark and others recommend, for better sleep, as it helps clear amomonia from the brain,

amomonia being what the parasites expel- and can disrupt sleep. I also know I have 1 copy of A1298c (because my daughter has both copies)

and that gene can have trouble clearing amomonia as well.

Herb Pharm makes a clove tincture I picked up- the capsules gave me after taste too much- also started adding back in my pink salt in the morning.... but take my vitamin C at night.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thank you Gael!!!

I have taken salt/c by itself before during the past year, and on other days just the anti parasitic herbs, but lately have been doing both the same day. I think it's from including the salt/c with the herbs (same day) that is starting to make them let go. I know you've suggested this many times, but I guess I was afraid to try it. Not any more. Thank you so much for your tireless and unwavering support! :)

I am going to up my salt c, because I think I'm just poking them. I guess maybe 1/2 tsp instead of 1/4 two times a day. Boy, they really hate the salt!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Yay! Love to hear about the worms getting evicted!

Very inspirational!

Once, after a colonoscopy, the gastroenterologist scolded me for not prepping...

I had followed his instructions to the letter-took the pico salax, ate only clear broth and lemon jello.

He didn't believe me.

At the time I thought he was a pompous donkey, but now I think that both him and I were right. I don't know how many feet are in the colon, the part they can check with the scope, but that's a fair amount of surface area... If violent purgative diareha didn't clear it out... Imagine how much surface are is in the large and especially the small intestine! Sounds like a metropolis for parasites to hide.

Way to go for getting rid of a big 'un!

[Smile]
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
That is amazing Catgirl! [woohoo] I am glad you have persisted with this (thanks to Gael's encouragement and others here...) Do you feel any different physically? I know that emotionally, you must feel great!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thank you Greta and Dbpei! [Smile]

I started passing some two weeks ago, but nothing as big as the one I passed last night. I've lost a few little worms here and there during the past year, but not much action otherwise. I have been feeling calmer the past couple of weeks as well. I'm not sure what this is from--maybe from getting rid of their toxins. The binders, coffee enemas and enzymes have all helped. Even ondamed.

I'm am thrilled to be progressing forward on this. I thought I was just going to be stuck with them, as I've read and been told that they just don't want to let go.

Wow, Greta, your gastro was a jackhole! There are six feet of colon to cover, so lots of places for them to hang onto with the turns and all.

I can't wait to up my salt/c this morning (I'm no longer chicken to do this)!

THANK YOU GAEL!! And thanks for reminding me about the cloves. I forget sometimes and go to bed, then take them in the middle of the night (not the best, but okay).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
More worms today. I took 1/2 tsp with C this morning and out they came. It's awesome how well it works! I did have headaches off and on today though. It amazes me how well salt/c cleans me out. I was able to do an enema with the whole bag (not split into two enemas). I feel better today too.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
[woohoo] Way to go Catgirl!! They can't stand the salt because it dehydrates them and puts them into osmotic shock.

Makes them run for the hills and find an exit. Remember if you start herxing too hard, wait until it calms down and then resume.

You might want to just do 1/2tsp per day and then increase 1/4tsp at a time per day. In other words, when you are ready to increase the dose, just do 1/2tsp in the morning and then 1/4tsp later.

Also drink extra water through the day to circulate the salt. Coconut water is also good to help balance electrolytes and keep you hydrated. I'm rootin for ya girl!! Keep moving those $#%^^#@*!!! out!

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
im not doing salt c now...i used to and i used to see little white seed like things come out of my skin

this doesnt have anyting to do with the current discussion but i think its interesting

i just finished 5 days of high dose radiation...and now there are many little seed things coming out. it was a full moon too. but im not taking anything specific for parasites now

the radiation was not general...it was focused on one spot...but the seed things are coming out all over...and im not suggesting anyone get radiation to get rid of seed things!

i just thought it was interesting
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael! That is a great idea to do just 1/2 ts.p in am, and 1/4 in pm. You are so smart! :)

Ipkayak, wow I'm not surprised the radiation is helping to kill some bugs off. But then I remember when the roots of my teeth felt like pins and needles. I went to the dentist to get an xray and it stopped after that. They must hate radiation.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Lpkayak-that IS interesting! Hmmm...
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
i know a lot of people do the salt C protocol but has anyone ever done salt water enemas?

Would this potentially kill parasites as well?
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
and what infections does the salt C actually hit?
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
VER

FYI - http://www.pureformulas.com/ver-1-oz-by-deseret-biologicals.html


VER NOSODE all at 30-60-200x


ANCYLOSTOMA DUODENALE ............ Hookworm


ASCARIS LUMBRICOIDES ................... Roundworm


BRUGIA FILARIA ............................... Lymphatic parasite


CLONORCHIS SIENENSIS .................... Liver fluke


CRYPTOSPORIDIUM PARVUM ............. Intestinal protozoa


DIPHYLLOBOTHRIUM LATUM ............ Fish tapeworm


ENTEROBIUS VERMICULARIS ............. Pinworm


GIARDIA LAMBLIA ............................ Intestinal protozoa


NECATOR AMERICANUS .................... Hookworm


OPISTHORCHIS SINENSIS ................... Liver fluke


PARAGONIMUS WESTERMANI ............ Lung fluke


SCHISTOMSOMA MANSONI ................ Blood fluke


STRONGYLOIDES STERCORALIS ......... Roundworm


TAENIA SOLIUM ................................ Pork tapeworm


TANENIA SAGINATA ......................... Common tapeworm


TRICHINELLA SPIRALIS ..................... Porkworm


TRICHOMONAS VAGINALIS ................ Genital nematode


TRICHURIS TRICHIURA ...................... Whipworm


CINA MARITIMA 3X Nervous, mental and bodily symptoms due to roundworms or pinworms. Twitching, spasms due to worms.


ARTEMISIA VULGARIS 2X Nausea, vomiting and cramps due to worm infestation.


GRAPHITES 12X Abdominal cramps and pain. Expulsion of worms.


CALCAREA CARBONICA 12X Expulsion of tapeworms, round worms and pin worms.


SPIGELIA 3X Protects liver from damage due to blood borne toxins. Anti–viral, stimulates immune system, improves effectiveness of glucococorticoids.


MELILOTUS OFFICIALLUS 3X Abdominal distension, flatulence.


TEUCRIUM MARUM VERUM 3X Polypi, chronic nasal catarrh, itching anus, ascarides with nightly restlessness, crawling in rectum after stool, restless sleep, itching skin.


FILIX 2X Worm colic with itching nose, expulsion of tape worms, abdominal bloating.


MERCURIUS CORROSIVUS 12X Epigastrium very sensitive, cramps, feeling as if stool is never done.


SILICEA 6X Assimilation problems, bone problems, fibrotic conditions, headache, vertigo, profuse sweat of head.


IODIUM 12X Emaciation, headaches, lymphatic swelling, worms.


QUASSIA AMARA 3X Acts on digestive organs as a tonic, expulsion of threadworms.


SABADILLA 12X Itching from anus and rectum caused by pinworms.


THYMUS SERPYLLUM 3X Hookworm, tapeworm, colitis, diarrhea.

-----

I think the anti-parasite protocol has to be a lifelong pursuit, unfortunately. When I first started on all of this, I thought it would be over fairly soon. It's pretty awful to go through it - especially at first. I don't think it ever ends, though.

I've improved but it comes & goes. I lived in a place with high amounts of dirty electricity & everything got worse. If we live in toxic environments - I think EMFs enhance the parasite growth.

Most places these days are getting more & more toxic - not to mention the food, air & water.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Sparkle,

Thanks for posting this link. Very helpful. You are so right about the lifelong pursuit of antiparasitics.

Thinking of suggesting this formula to a friend of mine who I highly suspect is infected with parasites. Of course the docs can't figure out what's wrong.

Don't want to hit him over the head with something too strong to begin with as he has to function in the real world. Going to start him on some low dose salt/c and enzymes.

What do you think of this formula for an initial attack on parasites, or would it be too strong? Any of your valuable input would be welcome.

Gael
 
Posted by lymenotlite (Member # 33166) on :
 
Does anyone know what parasites make the scalp itch? My intestines feel fine but I seem to be on the last symptom of lyme which is fatigue (also itching head).
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Maybe it's yeast...
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Hi Gael-

I'm not sure about dosage for anyone but myself. It's hard to say with homeopathic remedies. I started off with herbs. I feel more experienced with herbs than homeopathics.

I don't think it can hurt to start off slow & ramp it up. I think the bottle says 10 drops 3x a day. I don't usually take that much. I take it on & off as per dowsing. I started slow & worked it up.

Some days it's on & others off - on the off days, I might take some detox stuff - charcoal, clay, chlorophyl, etc. I've been taking DE pretty often lately, too. I also take an essential oil combo of thyme, oregano & cloves occasionally.

Going through a die off would be scary to someone who doesn't know. It was very scary to me when it happened. It's can be awful. Especially if you are out driving around or commuting on mass transit. It's hard to find restrooms...
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks sparkle, Slow and easy is usually the best way. About the restroom thing. I have a mental note of all the nice rest rooms in the city where I usually walk.

It can be hair raising when you get hit and don't know where to go. Thanks again, and as always, the best to you in your pursuit of getting rid of these invaders.

Gael
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
@surprise from July 27. I heard from another forum who was a patient of dr s. Said that like 4 months ago he found the only connection between moregelos and Lyme was proto. He was treating his Morgellos patients with Amoxicillin and febendazole for at least 3-4 months. I don't know about the other Lyme doctors.
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
In my case, I'm starting to think bile duct, gallbladder & liver need to be cleansed. I don't want to do the Hulda Clark cleanse with olive oil & grapefruit. It was too extreme last time I did it.

I passed a bunch of those Q-tip sized cotton ball looking things yesterday. I can't believe I'm still passing them. I don't know if they will ever go away completely. Sorry for the TMI factor - but my bowel movement was yellowish... indicating possible bile duct dysfunction.

They usually come out in a separate bowel movement - not the regular one from digesting food. I guess my body is expelling them. (?) Maybe it's "learning" to get rid of them from using the homeopathic remedy...?

I bet those suckers are in the gallbladder or bile duct! I also have right shoulder blade pain... All this anti-parasite work is so important these days. I'm sure so many illnesses are being caused by parasites.

Any suggestions about how to get them out of the liver, gallbladder or bile ducts?

I'm sure there are connections between Lyme & morgellons. I don't know if I'd want to go on a fat free diet as Dr. F suggests. Our body needs fats + it may not be enough to get rid of them.

Long term - which I think is what we may all need - I'd rather use herbs or supplements rather than drugs.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Mlg, thanks- can't remember if I said this before, our 1st LLMD did all blood testing, but also offered a talented

Zyto practitioner reading- I did it, and parasites came out on top (#1 to treat) the LLMD was surprised, actually asked if I travelled (no). This was 2-3 years ago tho-

Anyway, that's how I got my first rounds of anti- parasite drugs.
2nd LLMD, we talked about protomyxzoa, my test didn't detect it,

only small biofilm- but then got Alinia, other parasite drugs just in case.

Long story short (too late!) still treating- the mimosa pudica I am liking right now- added neem oil, biopure rizol- etc. pink salt in a.m. C at night

Sparkle, I started doing castor oil packs - I swear that's clearing/ pulling from liver- I've been brave and taken teaspoon of oil after too (castor or olive)

Maybe pulling from gallbladder...
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
Hi everybody.


I have been away from Lymenet for quite a while. I moved to a new place, and have just been dealing with a lot of issues outside of Lyme. Plus the fact that for a while, I thought I was almost done with this nonsense for good. I was feeling very good. I did have a few friends here, and I may have missed some PMs. So for those of you trying to contact me that got ignored, I'm sorry!

But it did not last unfortunately.
Anyway, I've had enough. I want to start treating parasites.
Unfortunately, I'm broke. Broker than ever. I cannot afford Dr. Zhang's protocol, or Dr. K's. Unless I use an "international" pharmacy. This is what I am currently considering.
I have to do this. I'm on 3.5 years of abx. They've gotten me pretty far, but I don't think I'm going much further with them. If anything, they're starting to make it worse. I won't stop them abruptly, but I'd like to be off of them in a year or so. The amount I consume is just not healthy.

Can some of you parasite warriors help get me started? I want to do this right and get on with my life at some point. 4 years is too long to live this way.
Basically, I know nothing about treating parasites. I have no money, so if I need expensive drugs it will have to be ordered from someplace outside of the country.
Thanks everyone
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
Most of the anti-parasite protocols that are supplements are fairly inexpensive. You just have to read about them & try one. Go slow & ramp it up over time. It's not easy going through this.

Any herbal combination of cloves, green, black walnut hulls & wormwood should work, initially. It does get more complicated as you try to figure out what parasite(s) is affecting you.

Some people like salt/C. It's not expensive at all really. I didn't care for it for myself right now but I may go back to it at a later time.

Parastroy is also very good.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Parastroy

Humaworm

Hanna Kroeger Wormwood Combo

Super Digestaway by Soloray digestive enzymes (also antiparasitic)

Coconut Oil

Coconut Water

Salt/c (lymestrategies salt/c group for more info)

Just some of the antiparasitics you can try.

Like sparkle has suggested, you have to read and study and decide what's best for you. Persistence is KEY and can take several yrs to get rid of. Good Luck and keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I've used Coconut oil and parastroy. Neither provoked a reaction. I know Parastroy should be taken for many months. Coconut oil never got a herx from me, in fact it makes me feel good. I love the taste.

I'm leaning toward the heavies - Ivermectin alinia etc. right now, to be followed by an herbal protocol. I think Dr. K's approach is something like that. I say this because most of the herbs I've taken haven't had much of an effect on me. I can tolerate a whole lot of abx, so I figure why not use the big guns. My goal is to not take abx anymore, but I think these drugs could really help. The trick for me will be getting them.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I just started 'artemesinin essentials' from Hopkinton Compounding Pharmacy 4 days ago. I think it goes after parasites while it is also going after babesia (another parasite), heavy metals (just a mild chelator) and biofilms.

I am noticing odd looking stuff in the toilet that I never saw before. It could be biofilms, but could also be parasites. I have been taking cloves and salt/c for many many months. Also just started A Bart. So who knows?!
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Ya, keeping at it- amazing, and gross, but seeing larger things- still catches me by surprise.

Okay, grosser still... I use a little glycine enema, easy, discreet, effective, because these things want to hang on.

I keep thinking about coffee enemas, can't bring myself to buy the kit and try one.

My husband works from home. Why you brewin' coffee on the stove? he'll ask. Y'know, I'd like to keep this man attracted to me. I don't share details like I do here in public, LOL!

Crazy train. But for those who are wondering or are new, this is a REAL issue. No kidding. And, I am having some very

GOOD FEELING hours/ time periods. I know it's from getting more of this junk out.
Remind me of this next full moon (August 21st)
 
Posted by sparkle7 (Member # 10397) on :
 
lymeboy - There are so many different kinds of parasites. You have to alternate the drugs or herbs/supplements & find what works for you.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
surpise-hahaha! Yes... I keep hoping that if I order an enema kit online, it will be shipped in a plain brown box. hahaha
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Surprise (lol)! I remember when I told my husband I was going to do them and I could tell he thought it was weird. He teased me about it until I barked back (lol)!

Lymeboy, welcome back! Sorry to hear you aren't feeling well again. It seemed like my body started becoming immune to abx, so I'm back on Byron White (good stuff!).

As far as parasites go, the herbal treatments cost less than the meds, and they are actually expelling the worms for me now, not the meds. The trick for me has been to combine the herbs with salt/c. That said, I have also done several rounds of parasite meds during this past year. Also some colonics. I think the progression of everything I've done has helped.

Coffee enemas are quite beneficial for removing toxins the parasites excrete while they are dying off. They also help you to expel parasites. You have to do binders daily to get rid of the toxins or you will feel awful (herx). Food grade diatomaceous earth is an inexpensive binder and it cleans you out.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
How does one take the food grade diacetomous earth?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Once a day, I mix 1 tablespoon in water and drink away from other supplements and food (at least an hour away).
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I also mix one tablespoon in water and drink immediately - away from other supp.s, meds and food. I have good results with D.E.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Great! Thanks [Smile]
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
I know we're not at the full moon yet...just coming out of a new moon, but I feel like I've been hit by a truck these last couple of days.

Anyone else feeling like this?

Also, What is the dose and dosing schedule for Ivermectin?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Greta, me too. I usually don't feel this way until just before the full moon, but this month is different (early). But I've also been hitting parasites hard (could be from die off). I would do more detoxing and binders.

I take 12mg per day of iver on an empty stomach in the morning before meals. I usually wait an hour before I eat, but others might take it differently.

It's okay to take a break for a day as well. Sometimes that helps me to recover and get back on track. Sometimes pace, not race can be more beneficial. :)
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I think the Ivermectin dosing can be very individual -
prescribed, for my weight (100 pounds) I was told never to go over 12 mg in a day....

I could never do the Dr. K amount of Ivermectin. It seems toxic? Just me.

Same thing, empty stomach, in a.m. I have a lot left...into the herbs right now- also have 10 days of Albenza---

Like Catgirl said previously, I think it's good to mix it up- some pure salt and C, too.

I don't notice change with the new moon phase, just the full moon, days before it building to full.
Right now, I just need my kids to go back to school ;-/. 5 days.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Thanks for the info on the iver. I'm going to try and approach this subject at my next LLdoc appt.


I'm completely bagged-feel like something is zapping any energy I have.

Tendons feel so tight they could snap, and a strange sensation of skin being stretched. Like swollen ankles and feet and hands, except they're not swollen-they just feel like it.


Slept for 11 hours last night. Still can't get out of my pjs.

Gonna go detox with some Epsoms and drink some lemon water....

I feel like a cross between [sleepy] and [Eek!]
 
Posted by ookearaoo12 (Member # 41442) on :
 
I haven't been officially diagnosed with Lyme or anything yet. I don't see the doctor until Sept 30.

However, I have ALOT of the symptoms of parasites.

Would it help to start the salt/c protocol? Would it do any damage to?

If I should start it where do you find the salt and vitamin C most of you use?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Personally, I don't see how starting the salt/c would be detrimental, unless you have electrolyte balance issues.
In that case, you may wish to speak to a doc first.

I buy sea salt (natural, non-iodized), from the health food store. And I buy powdered Vitamin C, ascorbic acid. Although I think there is buffered powdered vitamin C as well.

Start low, and go slow.
1/4 tsp salt, 1/4 tsp vitamin c dissolved in a litre of water, maybe some lime juice and stevia for flavor... Drank throughout the day, with additional filtered water.
I drink about 100 oz of filtered water per day.
I'm not saying that's an ideal amount for everybody, some would say it's too much, but I sweat a lot at my job and also sweat a lot from Babesia so that is how much I drink.

Also, coconut water (pure), is a great way to keep up the electrolyte balance. It has potassium in it, which is important when consuming additional sodium.

There's a book on Amazon about salt/c, and also a Yahoo group lymestrategies for salt/c that is helpful.

Best of luck, and welcome to parasite cleansing [Smile]
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Was feeling depressed, physically and emotionally since Thursday.

Kept up with the salt/C...added cloves because I was wondering if the depression was caused by parasites, as my stomach felt funny.

Anyways, I'll spare you the disgusting details, but I am pretty sure a tapeworm dying was the cause of my lethargy and depression.

So this is a great development for me!
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
That's awesome Greta- need that confirmation sometimes to keep going.

Yep, not easy- sometimes I definitely feel better than other times.

Bought a papaya today- keep hearing about the seeds anti- parasitic. Guess just to eat them raw? No idea. Maybe I'll google.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
That's great Greta!! Sooo, are you saying (sorry for asking for TMI)you expelled the creature? We are used to gorey on this thread.

So let's have the details. It's empowering to know the enemy making us so sick is leaving. These parasites can cause a plethora of symptoms when dying. They remind me of a thrashing shark when they are in the death throes.

Keep going, and good for you for starting salt/c. Very powerful in getting rid of parasites. You might also want to add some antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy as well. Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
'They remind me of a thrashing shark when they are in the death throes.'

That's exactly it! That's why it's hard.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Greta! I always get depressed when I herx. It's the die off and toxins. So killing off the bugs creates the herx, then on comes the depression. Lemon water and exercise (light weight lifting) snap me right out of it. It's quick and easy. I lift some little weights while watching TV. By the way, anaerobic exercise (light weights) helps to kill lyme.

Ookearoo, fantastic you've joined this thread! Parasites are a key factor of why we are all so sick. They go everywhere they can in the body. Unfortunately, the testing has a huge false negative rate (fails).

If I had it to do over again, I would have treated for parasites first with parasite herbal formulas. If I didn't see anything after a month, then I would have added salt/c. I am truly sorry I didn't do this, but instead jumped into the land of antibiotics. They destroyed my gut. It's never been the same since.

I know this thread is long, but it is quite beneficial to go back to page one and start reading. I find myself doing this lately (reading all the posts). Sometimes with lyme we need to see, read, and hear things over and over before it sinks in (lyme messes with the brain).

Surprise, I just chomp on the seeds (raw). They are hot and peppery but a big glass of water to chase it helps, along with a small piece of papaya. It has enzymes in it to help.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hi parasite warriors, how is everyone doing? It's that time again (full moon).

I did some iver yesterday and felt great (higher dose than normal). Iver is good for fighting proto, which is another parasite. I think a lot of people have this bug and just don't know it. I also did some pyrantel pamoate.

I slept like a brick last night, which is unusual for me before a full moon (usually have insomnia).
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hey Catgirl and friends- Cat very jealous of your sleeping long like a brick. Iver didn't do that much for me- but have a lot

left, plan to revisit at some point. My flare leading up to full moon is clockwork now- I crave sugar (never do otherwise, yeast under control) want to eat a lot- giving in too-

(even my female cycle, complete different time, doesn't do this)

So- yeah- not feeling great, 6 days to full moon, it's on.
Still on full dose Mimosa Pudica, Neem capsules, added Beyond Balance Parazomin, some salt and C....Diflucan, lots of probiotics, etc.

Still doing daily Japanese knotwood and cats claw.
Hanging in- my stomach's not happy, sleep off, bowels moving.

Not much else to say. Hope everyone else is moving forward- good thoughts--
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hope everyone is doing great [Smile]

Insomnia in full force...a la full moon. I wonder why the little buggers get more active at night?

They must secrete more toxins around this time, because I find myself peeing more at night.

TMI?

I'm up to a teaspoon each of salt and of C. Feeling good with it so far.

Coconut water is very helpful for energy lately, for me.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I hear you Surprise. I am really hungry right now, craving carbs and sugar too. I really want some GF cookies, bad (I know I shouldn't but I have some in the pantry).

Are you doing mimosa pudica capsules or powder? I wonder if there is a difference in how it hits the bugs? MP hurts my stomach sometimes--A binder clears it up.

I usually need melatonin at night pre full moon, but forgot it last night. I took some pregnenolone yesterday too (helps me sleep better). I usually only need it and dhea every few days (muscle test).

Hang in there! I hope you feel better soon. :)
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Greta, not TMI on this board (lol)! You fit in perfectly here!

I have noticed a yeast and hormone connection with frequent nightly urination. I only went once last night though (usually more). I think it was because I took pregnenolone yesterday, along with the parasite meds. Something must suck up our hormones.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-98-PREGNENOLONE.aspx?activeIngredientId=98&activeIngredientName=PREGNENOLONE
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hey everyone, hope you slam these suckers during this full moon. GiGi used to post about drinking milk and eating cheese during full moon which these parasites LOVE.

That keeps them in the G.I. track and then you can hit them with the antiparasitics and salt/c. I eat sweets (brownies made with coconut oil instead of veg oil)all the time. [Big Grin]

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Mmmmm cheeze. Good idea Gael! I'm not supposed to eat dairy, but will take one for the team to kill off more bugs! I'm thinking UNOS pizza (not ideal for proto, but I can have a few pieces)!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Gael, I am so jealous you can eat sweets! I can only have one or two cookies a month.

Did you restore your gut after abx, and if so, how?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Thanks! Catgirl, I saw your post before about DHEA and pregnon. helping you sleep, strongly considering it-

I do think my peri- menopausal hormones are out of whack, but really don't have the money to go to a bioidentical hormone Dr. It's on my radar, tho. Just...ugh.

I bought Udi's cashew carmel salt cookies yesterday (think they are new) and ate 6. And their cinnamon raison bagels.

I am taking the Mimosa Pudica capsules from Hopkins. 5 a day. The Parazomin I am doing by the dropperfuls. Impatient much? ;-).

I could go on whining. I'll stop.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ha ha! OMG, those cashew caramel salt cookies sound awesome!

You can always just get preg and dhea added to your next blood test (that's how I found out I was low). I take a very small dose.

I think it's great you're mixing stuff and getting somewhere. Everything you do helps. I've never tried Parazomin. Do you know where I can find it?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I just finished off the box of cookies, lol!

I got it from Green and Healthy. Are you registered there yet?

After this herb bonanza, I am going to do Iver and Albenza- (I have 10 days of that) read your update on them, sounds good!

And thanks- didn't think it'd be so easy to check those with a blood draw.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Yum! I just ordered a pizza (lol)! You are welcome (blood test). :)

I have to check out Green and Healthy, thanks!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

whenever I eat a so-called forbidden food like the brownies, I always take something that will kill the bugs. Mixing the brownies with coconut oil is one example and then taking the herbs.

I read an article that some docs experimented with killing MRSA (staff) with adding sugar to the abx. They found that adding sugar was key in killing the infection because the bacteria would eat the sugar and the added abx would kill it.

They were not eating the abx by itself. Enjoy your pizza!!! You might want to consider chasing it with some coconut oil to kill off any yeast. Happy munching. YUM!

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Wow, that is fascinating about the abx and sugar re MRSA: bait! It makes perfect sense for parasites too. Thanks Gael!
 
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
 
This is great thread and I have read through most of it but had some more basic questions...

I have been treating lyme with Abx for awhile now, but am onboard that I likely have an issue with parasites and should start working towards that.

I have tried humaworm previous with no observable results.

What would be a good place to start a more comprehensive attack plan on parasites?

- something like a huda clark tincture (or Kroeger kit) combined with Salt/C? Is that too much to start at once?

I do want to hit this hard so not afraid to jump in

- also any issued with doing the above while taking Abx?

Thanks everyone for your insight!
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Has anyone here ever done MMS enemas? I am seeing a new LLND who recommends these.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
LymeSwimmer, if you tried humaworm and had no visible results then you might try adding salt C. Once I combined the herbs with the salt the worms started to come out. I think all the parasite herbal formulas are good. But if you are taking abx, you may want to start out slow, meaning you might try 1/4 tsp of sea salt with 1/4 tsp of C and just sip throughout the day. Were you on abx when you tried humaworm before?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dbpei, I haven't tried them but am interested in hearing from those who did. I know Gigi did a thread and posted on them a few months ago. Hopefully someone who tried them will come along and post.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dbpei,

A combo of antiparasitic herbs and salt/c packs a strong punch. You can start with Hulda, Humaworm or Parastroy as example. I would start slow and ramp up because it can hit you hard. The salt/c is quite powerful against parasites.

You might want to purchase the salt/c plus book from Amazon for really good guidance. Keep us posted and good luck.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Gael, I think you might have been meaning to direct your last post to Lymeswimmer. I have been on Salt C for quite a while and did purchase the salt/c book.

I was asking about the MMS enemas - because my new LLND wants me to try this. I bought the book on MMS protocols, but the instructions were very limited. I will look again for Gigi's post, Catgirl. If I get courage to try this, and have any positive results, I will post about it.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
dbpei - my family is doing the MMS enema protocol and having great results....seeing worms coming out of all 5 of us.

The new protocol adopted by Dr. K has been created by Kerri Rivera and Andreas Kalcker. It definitely works to kill parasites as well as bacteria, yeast, fungus and viruses, and helps to reduce inflammation. This protocol is so effective that it is CURING autism. My entire family has made huge improvements on it.

You do have to work up slowly...I was dizzy the first time I did an enema with 5 drops. You can find everything you need to know about the protocol on the facebook page CDHealth and also in Kerri Rivera's book on Amazon called "Healing the Symptoms Known as Autism." Read the reviews...it is amazing!

We are also doing the oral baby bottle protocol, however, so that is a big part of it.

tickbattler
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks for the info tickbattler. I will look up the info. A lot to study before starting!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi all,

Is someone able to PM me with an enema recipe?

I am noticing worms, yes worms, in the bowl, both sinking and floating.
Some are as long as 4" and look like beige celery strings. (except I don't eat celery because I hate the strings).

And when I wipe (goodness this is embarassing), sometimes they stick to the tissue and when I squeeze them, they are gummy and firm. Not mucus, that's for sure. Also some seedy looking things on the tissue.

But because I am going to the bathroom 4-6 times a day, I feel like there may be some more that need to be expelled, but they don't expel on their own-only when I have a bm.

I want them out. I am getting the heebie jeebie with the idea that they are just hanging around.

I would like to try an enema but I don't want to try any old recipe that I find online.

Also, the piece I thought was a tapeworm looked like a rigatoni noodle. It was that wide and beige-ish and sunk un the bowl. Eew.

Up to 1 tsp each of salt and C. 2 garlic capsules each day. Diluted Thieve's oil on stomach and chest every night, and feet and chest every morning.

Thanks for listening and I apologize if I have offended anyone with the details. (I am just as grossed out, believe me)
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm passing the rigatoni noodle looking ones too (gross). There are usually smaller worms embedded with them as well (maybe babies or some other type of worms). I'm just so happy to be getting rid of them.

You should try coffee enemas. Here is a good link:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/123126?#000000
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
dbpei - there are a lot of good links on the thread I just bumped called, "for those with sick kids".
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Thanks catgirl [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome Greta! :)
 
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
 
I have started MMS enemas last week, as I started to test for anti-parasitic herbs and MMS.

I think I overdid it a little bit- I did it every day for 5 days straight and increased up to 5 drops of MMS. Big herx. So I will decrease the quantity and will do it every other day, like Dr. K suggests.

In 5 days I haven't seen a worm exiting( up to my energetic tests I don't have worms, but microscopic parasites). But the amount of biofilms exiting after each enema is impressive!!!!

I will continue with enemas until I stop testing for it. I was also thinking of trying baby bottle protocol.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks for the update anuta. My LLND told me to do it every other day and work up very slowly. I am waiting a few weeks to start them because of a lot going on at my home with work being done. Good luck!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Ordered an enema kit and some DC earth.

Going to try the coffee enemas.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I could use some good thoughts. I took Albendazole today, I haven't taken any in at least 1 1/2 years, and I'm having some heart palpitations,

which I NEVER get- I am going to bed, sure I'll be fine in the morning, but plenty scared to not ever take this again.

It's very strange, my parasite load is way down - I've been consistent for months and months now with herbs, I didn't exceed dose, no other parasite herbs on board, I'm off antibx.

(well, per my weight, it says max 375 a day, I did 400, but divided in 2 doses). Double checked no negative interactions with anything else I take.

Anyway- all the other hardcore antibx, and never this symptom-
I guess I'm a little panicky, took detox, and will sleep now.
Thanks--
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Surprise-many many good thoughts your way.

Especially of parasites leaving your body-for good!

I sure hope you get a good night's rest and feel better in the morning.

I will include you in my prayers and will be sure to check in to see how you're feeling tomorrow.

Best wishes
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,
Hang in there. My doc said to make sure u detox like colonics or enema when u do anti-parasitics. Take extra fiber or juice.
Positive thoughts and prayers.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hey, thanks. I'm okay! I also have a cold/ viral thing kids brought home from school-

usually I never get these. So, taking it easy- little break.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Thanks for checking in Surprise!

I hope the cold goes away soon
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Thanks again :-). I went to a walk in clinic this morning (great service)

and got an EKG (normal) and a chest x-ray (clear) I have a cold that's turned into a cough- got Z-pak.

No, I did not mention I'm treating parasites (and I stopped today) because I don't want to look like a crazy person when I need conventional western medicine.

I needed some peace of mind with the symptoms I was having- sobering, and I'm grateful.

Wish I could say I'm done with this parasite deal, but, the evidence is in the toilet, shall we say.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks for posting Anuta. [Smile] I think I'm going to try it once I'm off parasite meds.

Greta, I really think you're going to love coffee enemas. [Smile]

Surprise, I felt horrible on albenza and couldn't figure out exactly why. Patients are instructed to take it with fats, however, fats make everything worse for people with protomyxzoa (biofilm bug).

I am back on albenza, only this time it's much better because I'm not taking all the fat I took before (just a little now with the pills), and I'm still passing worms. Try cutting the fat.

IMO, albenza is a good drug to help people discover if they have proto. I hope you feel better soon!
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl- fat doesn't seem to bother me, and last time I took Ivermectin, it never made a real difference -

I'm pretty sure Protomyxzoa's not an issue, but I don't know anything for sure anymore.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Also wanted to add: I think the reason Albendazole completely knocked me for a herx (and just the one day killed a lot)

This time I chewed up the tablets instead of swallowing them whole and DID take it with fat (tablespoons of nut butter and coconut oil)

which has been stated to make the Albendazole MUCH more absorbed and fully potent-

I can attest to that!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Nut butter does it to me.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I can eat a couple tablespoons of nut butter, or a couple tablespoons of coconut oil, nothing. Nothing.

But when I mixed it with chewed up Albendazole pills: yikes.
I am also a fighting a cold/ illness, with some perimenopause thrown on top.

What a long haul for me it seems, with these parasites. Ick.
And scary.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Yeah, albenza is tough. How long have you been treating parasites? Do you feel better since initially treating?

I am really feeling the die off today. Lots of worms exiting. I don't know what I would do without coffee enemas. They really do help.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
It's been 3 years since my first parasite cleanse (Humaworm)

Then right after, I started treating Lyme and Bart, then some months into that, had a Zyto reading by well- known person

and parasites came up on top- started some rounds of parasite treatments/ drugs and herbs, but last months I've stayed consistent, not letting up.

What will be interesting is when I start to gain and hold weight on- I think that may be slowly happening now-

Finished the mimosa pudica, went right to the Albendazole -
ghastly in the toilet, frankly.

I'm on a 5 day break while a do a little Z-pack (Azith.) try and get over cold/ illness.

Have a new bottle of Clark tincture, the Albendazole, some Ivermectin, clove tincture-

not sure which one to start up on again- need to keep up the salt/C, too. Thanks for listening, and support.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Surprise-sounds like you're blasting away at them! Sounds great! Good for you for keeping going even when the going got tough.

What's zyto?

And I keep hearing about alina. Is it prescription?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Thanks Greta, hope you are feeling a little better!

Alinia is a prescription- I did a month on it- it's used a lot with Babesia, which I don't have, so it wasn't too tough for me...
Strong one, though.

Zyto is an 'alternative' type deal- actually a computer program that 'reads' your body, and the program/ session is run

by a skilled practitioner. I thought it was very interesting- and depressing, it pulled up a load of health issues for me!

Then it 'rates' the issues (infections, hormones, parasites, viruses, food issues, vitamin deficiency)

and 'tells' you by this rating which category or issue is the top
layer (most problematic)

All interesting, and expensive (daughter and I both treated at same time.)
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Wow, 3 years!! There really is so much to these parasites (amazes me). I'm with you, I would love to gain some weight. I hope you feel better soon. :)
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi surprise,

Thank you for your thoughtfulness [Smile]
Feeling a bit better. Took my frustration out on the floor with a vacuum and a mop.
Had the babs sweats dripping all over the floor though at the end.

I am sorry to read you've had palpitations. Uncomfortable and scary! I'm glad your ekg was normal though. Are the palpitations gone? Or still a few hanging around?

Zyto sounds interesting.

Thanks for filling me in on alina.

I am waiting for my enema kit to arrive in the mail (in a plain unmarked brown box), haha, to do some coffee enemas.

Hopefully that will help pull the doom and gloom worms and toxins out.
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Hello! I am back after 2 years of being healthy to treating Lyme, bartonella, (new to me Ehrlichia) and now parasites after ART testing.

I previously treated for 1 1/2 yrs Abx and about 4 mos herbals but have relapsed or got reinfected.

I'm glad to have found this thread and my llmd has the same ideas about parasites causing a lot of the problems.

I started Doxy but had to stop and switch to Minocycline this time due to sun, some herbals and Alinia. Along with pectasol-c and chlorella. (and of course probiotics)

I started Doxy this past Saturday (switched to Mino Wednesday eve due to sun sensitivity) and felt pretty 'normal'

Started the Alinia Tuesday night and have chills shortly after taking it and as of this AM, pretty bad diarrhea (although I havent seen anything)

I am curious if this is parasite die off or a reaction from the ABX. The last time I treated, I never had any GI problems, and am hoping this is die-off. Especially since I have chills after taking it.

I have also noticed the last 2 days I am so depressed with worry about all of this, but this could be 'normal' I assume? I am beating myself up thinking I passed this wretched disease to my 2 kids. If I read correctly though, parasites can cause this too?

I am also interested in learning about the salt/c and am wondering if Alinia does the same thing or if I can take it with Alinia.

I will go back through and continue reading the previous posts but would appreciate other's thoughts!

Thanks!!
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
so-did u guys see this>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/richard-iiis-worms-of-discontent-experts-say-hunchback-english-king-infected-with-parasite/2013/09/03/53f76782-14cc-11e3-b220-2c950c7f326 3_story.html
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Welcome back Peyjad! Glad you found Gael's thread! I am so grateful for her. She's helped many of us. :)

I think alinia can cause diarrhea (drugs.com). Chills, I'm not sure. Babs? You should probably call your doc if the diarrhea doesn't go away. I probably wouldn't take salt/c with alinia, at least not while alinia is giving you diarrhea and chills, but maybe others will have a better idea here.

I have had depression while killing parasites, but it's normal, IMO. There is so much info here on salt/c. I think it's best to get the book.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Wow, Ipkayak, great piece! It amazes me what they can figure out so many years later.
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Thank you Catgirl! I appreciate you taking the time to respond!

I did have babesia as well but my doctor says not anymore thru ART so I'm not sure.

I'm starting to think the diarrhea is from chlorella (seems like that may not be that uncommon frm what I've read) weird thou that it started a day after Alinia though...

I am going to look into getting the book and talk to my llmd also. She is very open to trying new things and very up to date with Lyme so hopefully I can beat it for good this time.

This thread has given me lots of encouragement and hope so thank you to Gael for starting it!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome Peyjad! The parasite meds stir up my babs sometimes. IMO, babs is as good at staying dormant as lyme is though. It could have been dormant while she was testing you. Your doc will be able to tell (time will tell).

I just read this thread and followed what others said regarding salt/c, but I know Gael usually recommends the book. I haven't seen her post lately, I hope she's okay.

I tried salt/c with a parasite med once and felt worse, so that was the last time. I took the lowest dose of salt/c for about a year.

I vaguely remember getting diarrhea too on alinia, so my doc took me off of it. But I tried it again later on and it worked (no diarrhea).
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Thanks again Catgirl

I sure hope babs isn't back, I have enough on my plate [Smile]

I do see my doc again in a few weeks so I will see what she says about it- hope good news!

I took Mepron fine, I THINk they treat the same things (?)
Maybe I'll have to switch to that delicious med

Well thanks again and have a great day!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hey Catgirl and everyone, I'm still here. Granddaughter was visiting over the long Labor Day weekend, so haven't been posting much. Sooo glad to see everyone still pushing forward getting rid of these parasites.

It's unbelievable how they have invaded our bodies and caused so much havoc. I have gotten rid of all the big ones several yrs ago, and am 95% better.

Still have little ones that seem to have been hiding in the crevices of the small intestines and bile ducts, but am making great progress everyday.

My energy level is better than it has been in 30 yrs. My 16 yr old granddaughter couldn't keep up with me walking around the city. Persistence is key, so just keep pushing forward and you will get back to good health. You are all real troopers believe me.

Love to you all.

Gael
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
My husband rifed for parasites yesterday. Woke up this morning feeling anxious, jittery, and toxic.

We are wondering if he needs more binders? He takes charcoal water during the night when he wakes up. During the day he takes apple pectin in applesauce.

Sometimes we add DE to the charcoal water.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Great to hear from you Gael! :-)

Manne, I can only add make sure the bowels are moving to get the stuff OUT.

Trying to muster up courage to take Albendazole again-
PTSD from last weekend *sigh*
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
There she is! I'm so happy to hear you had a nice Labor Day weekend. :) I'm also thrilled to hear about your energy level too (right on)! That is my goal (more energy).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
MannaMe, it sounds like the rife stirred them up. Feeling toxic means he has all the pee, poop and toxins from the dead and dying parasites floating around making him miserable. I get this with PEMF, and heavy duty meds like albenza. And anxious = parasites for me. I need more binders than usual when I'm killing parasites heavy duty (like now). And definitely coffee enemas (will take the toxins out quicker).

Surprise, I hear you about the PTSD. :)
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Feeling kind of wacky. Did Albendazole this week,
and have been passing dead liver flukes.

Last dose tonight, and then a dose of Ivermectin tomorrow a.m.

What's that line from the Godfather movie:

'Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!'
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
I have been treating parasites for well over a year now with no end in sight. My husband who is lyme positive but has zero symptoms has decided to do a round of Parastroy just incase he's passing them back to me.

He is on his third day and has been having extremely bad headaches. I'm wondering if he does have them since he's having such a strong reaction to the Parastroy? I've asked him if he's ever seen anything suspicious in his stool and he says no. But, I'm thinking he probably does by his reaction.

Should we continue with the treatment or stop? I am inclined to continue because obviously he's having some sort of die-off.

I can't believe how persistent these parasites are!! They are so hard to eradicate.

Also, my LLND explained to me that we need to also bring up/boost our immune systems at the same time so our bodies can fight these off on their own. They are in everything we eat.

Trying to figure that one out too [confused]

Thanks for any help!
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I would encourage him to finish it- my husband, who does not have Lyme, etc.

Was a good sport and did Humaworm with me some time back, and had no reaction- he also did a Renew Life Yeast cleanse this year-

Die off is pretty real to me with parasite treatment- I take NAC (PharmaNac is nice) milk thistle, curcumin capsules,

and Researched Nutritionals multi immune when run down-plus, supp B, D vitamins and minerals, good diet-probiotics

I am also taking Cat's Claw 2x a day, which helps build immune system.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Oh, probably obvious, but keeping the bowels moving is critical-

I like Oxy Powder caps (usually just need 1) before bed, mag citrate, enemas can help expel.

Lovely right? But I just had another clearance, off for some days now to rest my liver, and I am healing- feel like I'm moving forward-
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Something weird happened to my husband too. We thought he should treat for parasites since I'm loaded with them. He tried some humaworm and it wasn't too long before his back started killing him (said that he didn't really do anything to cause the back pain). So he backed off the humaworm for a couple of days, then re started it again. His back got better. I wouldn't be surprised if anti parasitic stuff stirs up lyme.

Birdie, I think your LLMD is right (immune system).
 
Posted by birdie67 (Member # 35994) on :
 
Thanks Surprise and Catgirl. I think maybe I will have him back down for a day or two and then re-start. I would hate to stir up Lyme since he is totally symptom free. When I first forund out I had lyme and he tested positive, he did 2 months of doxy and flagyl and never herxed at all but this could definitely be stirring things up.

I think I will give him some charcoal tonight to try to soak up some of the toxins.

Yes, building up our immune systems makes SO much sense to me. It's just how to do it while killing the parasites, since they damage our stomachs along with our immune system.

I need to add in more minerals and other things to bring mine up. Thanks Surprise for the recommendations.
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
Hi everyone. I have gathered the primary Dr. K parasite protocol together and have almost enough to get me through about six months or so (I need more ivermectin still but I am close).

I am wondering when will be a good time to start. Right now I have a really heavy abx load. I'm wondering if I may need to stop some of those abx in order to do this protocol.

Mepron and Malarone is part of my protocol. Can these be taken in conjunction with Ivermectin - Biltricide - Alinia - Albenza?

I will not start this until I know I am doing it right. I just want to get it right since I am spending a lot on these meds and wuodl rather not throw the $ away.

I have only done a few rounds of parastroy in the past, I don't really know anything about treating parasites. Could one of you warriors help me get started, and keep me from hurting myself with all of these meds?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hey lymeboy- this is just my opinion- and not sure what your weight is- but,

I personally think the Dr. K doses are pretty darn high-
so, if you haven't done one of these meds before,

perhaps go slower and see how you feel.

As for interactions, I use drugs.com interaction checker online (obviously consulting a qualified Dr. is best, there's my disclaimer)

I am not on antibiotics right now (just some herbs) and I have read it might be a good idea to be on one when busting up parasites as they release 'junk' bacteria, toxins, what all.

I recently took Azith. 5 day unrelated, and saw a lot of die off- related, I don't know.

Obviously, watch your liver. The parasite drugs can be hard on it-----some will say take parasite drug breaks for liver to rest. 2 weeks on, 7 days off, etc.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right now would be a good time to start treating parasites (already feeling the upcoming full moon).

I agree, I think they are high doses, but imagine Dr. K's dosage is primarily for people not on abx. I have done milder versions of his protocol while on doxy and mepron. I am not on abx right now and can tell you that even a lower dose version of the protocol is still hard for me. These meds are strong.

I probably wouldn't do the full dose if you are going to stay on high dose abx (too hard on the body). When I was on doxy, I did the protocol but only 12 mg of iver per day and the albenza and alinia were half of Dr. K dosages. But the first time I took them, I did even less than that.

The other thing you could do is the herbs instead while on the high dose abx. I don't think they are as hard on the liver. I guess it all depends on how badly you need the abx.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
It's that time again (full moon coming up), how is everyone doing? I was already feeling it last night.

I just passed a fat disgusting worm (yuck)! It was so gross! I felt horrible all day so it must have been busy dying. The toxins these things put out when they die make me sick (herx city).
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
judging by the staggering amount of abx I can take without feeling to uncomfortable, I could do the full dosage. But I'd be nervous to do it along with abx. perhaps I could sub the Mepron with an herb until I get through a cycle? bad idea? I think my liver may be taxed already with the Mepron. But I've been getting it checked regularly and I'm ok according to liver function tests. But Mepron and Malarone together paired with Iver. and biltricide....could be too much.
I'm 180 lbs. So that could be why I can take high doses. That is normal weight for my height.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Lymeboy, I've never taken Mepron (just Malarone)
haven't done full on babs treatment as we are 99.% sure I don't have it,

so not sure how to respond about combining with the parasite drugs, or going off Mepron-

Catgirl, it's really wild, isn't it? Good for you!
I'm not sure what to do over this moon phase- my H finally has time off next week, and I think I'm going to take a break

see if I can get some local low key fun in. I'd like to power through and treat tho, too... but I think I'll try a break for 7 days.
Bummer it's over full moon- I'll do cloves at least.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Lymboy, I would be nervous too. Mepron and malarone together are VERY strong. That is great you are getting regular blood tests. Adding parasite meds though is going to be harder on the body.

I remember reading before that some people have done this protocol with abx, I just can't remember what they did. I personally think it is too hard on the kidneys/liver, but I'm no doc. Hopefully others who have been on abx will post.

I would definitely lighten the abx load,(good idea getting rid of the mepron). I remember my lyme specialist telling me that iver put some of her patients in the hospital (This is from a specialist whose big on abx). I know it's a pain in the neck, but you could hunt through lymenet for more info.

Surprise, I know it is wild! I would love to take a break, but I know the week before the full moon is the toughest for me (reproducing). That is the one time that I make sure I take something (at least 2-3 days before). You could also treat every other day too. Cloves are a good idea. Either way, have a nice week with your hubby!
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I realized yesterday, as this moon flare began with my digestion going south, irritability, food cravings, etc.

It still happens whether I'm treating or not- and I still don't have stamina for large far away excursions- so I am back on Clark tincture for the week,

which was quite powerful for me 2-3 months back last time I took it- will be interesting to see if it's easier now.

Who knows- but I can't deny what I'm seeing and the affects of parasites.
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
Is anybody else rifing for parasites? How often do you rife? My husband has been rifing every couple days - about 3 times a week.

He knows he's hitting something because his stomach gets upset and he feels toxic. He is using binders and detoxing. Usually the next day after rifing for parasites, he's coughing.... is that from hitting something in the lungs???

He has no interest in doing the bathroom science experiments that some of you are, so has no idea what may be exiting.

Those of you taking cloves, do you just use the spice out of the cupboard? And how much at a time?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I use Hanna Kroeger Clove capsules that I buy from vitacost. I have read from Hulda Clark that the store bought cloves are not strong enough.

I have also used fresh ground cloves from the Farmers Mkt and mixed some in my coffee along with cinnamon which is antifungal.

Between this and drinking the salt/c along with lots of antiparasitic herbs, these suckers ran for the hills. Coconut oil is also excellent and VERY good for brain fog.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Surprise--we can't give these suckers an inch!

Insomnia big time last night (argh). Everything is flaring right now. I know it's because of the full moon. Babs is a parasite, so it's flaring too. Bart symptoms flaring for me right now too, so I'm pretty sure it's proto, not bart (proto is a parasite, similar symptoms).

Hang in there parasite warriors (just a few more days)!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl for all of your helpful posts and encouragement for these brave parasite warriors.

It means a lot! [Smile] [kiss]

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Insomnia and irritability at a max.

Sleep schedule totally mixed up.

Did first coffee enema on Saturday.

Unbelievable! Did sea salt enema first and followed with coffee enema.

Yikes! No wonder I've been toxic lately. Yuck.
 
Posted by soccermama (Member # 35101) on :
 
Okay, guys wanting some help and encouragement. I have been treating with various herbs for parasites. I believe alot of my symptoms are from parasites as most occur at night.

(My nights are horrible.)

I am considering taking the plunge and adding salt/c.

What do the critics say about this protocol in terms of medical side effects? Precautions?

Where do you get the book?

I have alot of reservations just due to ignorance.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Sea salt is much different than table salt that is devoid of minerals.

Adding salt/c to the herbs is what caused the parasites to let go and I had a mass exodus for mos. Sea salt and vitamin C are a great support for the adrenal glands as well.

The combo of herbs and salt/c packs quite a punch. You can order the book salt/c plus from Amazon on the upper left hand corner of the lymenet page.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thank you Gael (I wouldn't be here without all of YOUR help and encouragement). You're the best! :)

Greta, that is fantastic you tried coffee enemas! It's amazing how many toxins they get out, not to mention parasites. Well worth it, IMO.

Did you like the sea salt enema as much as the coffee enema (I haven't tried a sea salt enema yet)?

Soccermama, adding salt/c to the herbs helped me to expel parasites too. Before that, I didn't see much. I was so chicken to try this, but once I did, out they came.
 
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
 
Gael, Catgirl - just curious - what herbs are you using?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm on meds now, but I have used humaworm with success, but only once I added salt/c. I think any herbal product will help (with salt/c).
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Parastroy, Humaworm, Hanna Kroeger Wormwood Combo, Hulda Clark. Have used all of these with added salt/c.

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I FINALLY bought a coffee enema kit online- of course, needed it years ago. Thanks everyone for posting about them- it helped.

Tough week- feels like everyone needs stuff from me, and I want to hibernate as I treat and herx parasites before the full moon.

Right now I'm on 'Hilda's Formula' from Elk Mountain Herbs, 3x a day, and other herbs. Switching back and forth parasite drugs and herbs.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Surprise (I love coffee enemas)! They really help me clear toxins.

How much of the tincture (Hilda's) do you take (2 tsp?)? I am not sure how much to start out with.
 
Posted by soccermama (Member # 35101) on :
 
Okay, everyone. I have been considering starting the salt/c protocol. Now I have a story to tell that has convinced me it works.

It happened accidently. Yesterday, my youngest daughter woke up with a cold. I started her on powdered vitamin C giving it to her every half hour until she had diarrhoea.

Last night she wakes me up and tells me her bottom is itching and tickling. Lo and behold, pinworms.

Both my girls had taken paragone and kids humaworm for six months.

Now, I know that this protocol must do something. My daughter has not complained of that problem since we initially put her on antiparasitics.

So....Now I have to take the plunge. It will take awhile to gather the strength. I will order the book and when I get done, I will start it.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Soccermama, after I read the book I had a greater understanding, and felt very comfortable- and you start out slow.

I'm not doing it officially right now tho. Probably should be, but have other things going on- still take buffered C powder at night, about 2 grams, and am very liberal with pink Himalayan sea salt.

Thanks Catgirl :-).
I just use the dropper, and put about 3 ish dropperfuls or so....
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Wednesday and Saturday coffee enema days.

Today, did salt water enema first.
It is more difficult to retain than the coffee one. Creates peristalsis almost instantly.

Finished with that then did coffee enema.

Strange things...

In the toilet (squeemish folks skip this part), there were films of clear mucus with hundreds of tiny tiny orange red dots on clear film.

At first I thought it was blood but they were super bright red and super tiny. Smaller than a pen dot. And the red dots were only in the films. Not by themselves. They also had defined edges-they didn't overlap or bleed into the film.

When I tried to catch the film with chopsticks (god I can't believe I'm admitting this), the film was super slick and fairly heavy-slipped right back into the water. The red dots didn't wash off etc. Definitely part of the clear film.

Has anyone had these things in film?

Is this biofilm? Or is biofilm microscopic?

I also had a fair bit of nausea while enema-ing this time. Is this par for the course?

OK hope nobody has food tonight for dinner that requires chopsticks...Sorry! [Wink]

[ 09-18-2013, 10:55 PM: Message edited by: GretaM ]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Surprise. [Smile]

Soccermama, that is great your daughter is noticing a symptom after adding powdered C (maybe pinworms)!

Greta I have to laugh (chopsticks)! Hey, whatever works for investigating (you're not alone here).

Mucus is a good indication of parasites. I am not sure if the mucus is biofilm though. I always thought it was yeast, but I don't know for sure. I passed lots of mucus for a long time, then eventually worms. Maybe those tiny dots were eggs (full moon)?

I have never had nausea with coffee enemas, so I'm not sure what's causing it for you (sorry).
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl [Smile]
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Well, I am finding I have a rather serious liver fluke issue- after all this time treating, liver flukes- red- are now showing up- it's actually quite scary.

It's like I had to get through some other ones to get the flukes to show up like this-

I was feeling constipated (been eating more food) so I stopped all my herbals today, and took a Tindamax early a.m. (I'm not on antibx)

Why Tindamax? I don't know. It seemed like a good idea at the time. But I crashed a few hours later- took to bed, emotional, crying...

Then, did a castor oil pack, dry skin brush, Epsom salt bath, milk thistle, NAC, VSL, ate light, rest, drank magnesium citrate, rest again, some hours go by and,

Another very large expulsion of more liver flukes. Alarming. Looking forward to my coffee enema when it arrives.

Still, after all this time, stunned at these parasites in my body, what destruction it must have been doing.

Spending tomorrow doing more detox.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Surprise! That's awesome they are exiting after all this time (and passing them twice in one day, wow!)! You sure hit them at the right time too (full moon).

And I know what you mean about the progression of things exiting. These parasites never cease to amaze me. Great idea about the castor oil pack and all the detoxing you did too!

I've never tried Tindamax, but heard it hits parasites. I also think just the act of rotating stuff hits them with their guard down, as they were probably already adapting to the previous meds or herbs. I hope you feel better soon. :)
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl!
I also think it's the rotating of the parasites meds and herbs-

I did the tried and true Hilda Clark 3 over full moon, and Albendazole before that, both hit flukes, I think the 1 tablet of Tindimax

just got me sick enough to seriously detox, which got them out.
I've been knowing I need to up liver clean and detox- got a little lazy, then stomach problems.

Feel like a veteran sharing war stories.
Take care everyone, detox your livers----
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
If you combine the antiparasitic herbs WITH the salt/c it can pack quite a punch. The parasites hate salt and they run for the hills and hopefully into the toilet. You can order the salt/c plus book from Amazon and get support from lymestrategies.

I am all for whatever works, but from what I have read from other posters, you have to stay on the pharmas for quite a while and they are hard on the liver. Some folks have success alternating both salt/c and herbs and the pharmas.

I also add Super Digestaway by Soloray (also antiparasitic) as well as combining Parastroy with Hanna kroeger Wormwood, extra cloves, and coconut water and coconut oil. Keep us posted with your progress and good luck.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this up for all the newbies on the board who are struggling and searching for answers. Hope all you warriors are doing well. [Smile]

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
After seeing all the liver flukes, I decided to try and detox and repair my liver for a bit- off parasite treatment for a week,

and doing daily coffee enemas and castor oil packs- these alone and I'm expelling parasites- seems my body is ready to let go.

One thing: I see why it's better to treat parasites 'first'
I am worried they are releasing bacteria, as I have been experiencing symptoms of this-(I'm off antibiotics)

Also, not to get 'woo woo'
but as my liver gets cleaner, parasites leave, I have had emotional releases/ healing.

Warriors indeed, this hasn't been easy by any means at all.
But, when I'm feeling 'good' it's some of the best I've had.

Planning on trying Biltricide on Saturday for the first time, hoping to get more (the rest!) of the flukes- very nervous.
Actually, scared. But I'm on a roll here.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Wow, this is encouraging Surprise. Can i ask if you have had any "out of the ordinary" exposures to parasites....or do you think you just picked them up via the normal USA lifestyle?

Every morning I wake up toxic and tachycardic. Then around noon I get crawling scalp neuropathy and head squeezing feelings all over face and scalp. This is accompanied by brain fog and head pain between the eyes and top of head.

I have had some other psychiatric improvements on other treatments for which I am grateful.

High dose clove oil, pulsed artemesinin, one month long attempt at salt/C, an herbal preventative called Botanifuge, and every other day Ivermectin for 6 moths yielded no "hits" or improvements. What else should I try?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Wow, this is encouraging Surprise. Can i ask if you have had any "out of the ordinary" exposures to parasites....or do you think you just picked them up via the normal USA lifestyle?

Every morning I wake up toxic and tachycardic. Then around noon I get crawling scalp neuropathy and head squeezing feelings all over face and scalp. This is accompanied by brain fog and head pain between the eyes and top of head.

I have had some other psychiatric improvements on other treatments for which I am grateful.

High dose clove oil, pulsed artemesinin, one month long attempt at salt/C, an herbal preventative called Botanifuge, and every other day Ivermectin for 6 moths yielded no "hits" or improvements. What else should I try?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
CD57, I get the head squeezing feelings all over my face and scalp as well - especially in left side of upper jaw. I often wonder if this is parasites.

I also get bug crawling sensations in different body parts almost every day for a few seconds. Especially my shins, but also hands, legs, scalp, face.

I started MMS enemas not long ago. I am only at a few drops. It is potent. Still no visible parasites exiting. My LLND thinks that when I get up to 10 drops, it is likely I will start to see some 'wigglies' exiting.

It is frightening to think that these creatures could be wreaking so much havoc in my body, but I so want to get better like everyone here!

Surprise, thanks for sharing your experience - as it helps us all. Good luck to you!!
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Wow, this is encouraging Surprise. Can i ask if you have had any "out of the ordinary" exposures to parasites....or do you think you just picked them up via the normal USA lifestyle?

Every morning I wake up toxic and tachycardic. Then around noon I get crawling scalp neuropathy and head squeezing feelings all over face and scalp. This is accompanied by brain fog and head pain between the eyes and top of head.

I have had some other psychiatric improvements on other treatments for which I am grateful.

High dose clove oil, pulsed artemesinin, one month long attempt at salt/C, an herbal preventative called Botanifuge, and every other day Ivermectin for 6 moths yielded no "hits" or improvements. What else should I try?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Thank you for the support- I get very embarrassed with what I post sometimes.

Ironically (though now I know it's not) I have only travelled 1x out of US (to Aruba) have always asked for my meat well done
(in fact won't eat it if not)

hate sushi, am fussy clean, always washing everything, never owned a pet! no pets in my house entire adult life (but mixed with stray cats 15 years ago outside, perhaps infecting me w/ Bart Lyme)

What I believe: everyone has parasites. But when the immune system is low (infections) it allows them to flourish.
Their reproduction rate is horrifying.

I've treated and treated these things- but stopped or took breaks- months- off- I've had doubled over right side stomach pains-

can't get off the floor- can't move- had gall bladder and liver checked by western medicine Dr.s- all okay, they said.
Haven't had an attack since I started treating parasites again.

It's very important to keep the bowels moving- I've used Oxy powder- glycine enemas- now the coffee enemas.

If you've tried herbs (the Hilda Clark 3, etc.) salt/C, haven't seen or noticed anything, I'd then try Albendazole - powerful.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Surprise
-that is great news about the liver flukes!

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Try adding antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy to the salt/c. The combo seems to pack quite a punch.

The three most important herbs for getting rid of parasites are Wormwood, cloves and black walnut hull. Surprise, Please don't be embarrased about the parasite infections.

It has nothing to do with being clean. I am super clean about everything and was loaded with parasites.

When your immune system is compromised you are much more vulnerable picking up parasites even from green leafy veggies. Not to mention what the ticks are carrying, especially the Filarial worm co-infection.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Anyone else getting 3am wakeup calls from these bugs?

It seems like I wake up, feeling irritable, at 3am, and can't fall back asleep.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Greta, this is the norm for me. It is so frustrating. I am not sure I ever got back to sleep this morning. I don't have any physical symptoms like stomach aches or cramping, but instead, my mind is too active to return to sleep.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I always wake at 3:00 am - especially when I am treating for parasites. Very interesting.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
According to what I have read in the past, that's when they are most active. Kinda like when spirits are said to appear between 3-6am. [Big Grin]

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Dbpei, Desertwind and Gael,

Thank goodness it's not just me.

Yes, at 3am, I don't have to go to the washroom, it's just like my mind becomes alert/active instead of being in a sleeping state.

And I feel irritable, but not sure if that's just because waking up at 3am on a workday stinks.

Haha.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Gael,
I too have heard that at 3:00 AM the spirits roam. A couple of times this week by different people.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Up again since 3 a.m. [Frown]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I used to wake up at 3:00 like clockwork. My acupuncturist said it was a sign of adrenal issues and treated my adrenals. It helped, but didn't take it away completely. My sleep was light back then too. It felt like I couldn't hit rem sleep.

I think between treating parasites, detoxing heavy metals, and taking dhea/pregnenolone, it left. Turning off the wifi gave us much better rem sleep too. If only everyone knew about how bad wifi is for everything on the planet (cell phones, etc). It's ruining us, our environment, and helping the bugs grow (we deteriorate).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm back on salt/c and loving it. My adrenals must have needed it (feeling better). I'm never giving this stuff up.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

So glad you went back on salt/c! It has def been a game changer for me. It is excellent support for the adrenals and immune system. I will always stay on it as well.

I also take panothentic acid (b-5)(1000-1500mg a day) for my adrenals. Coconut water is also an excellent source for energy as well as balancing electrolytes especially when on salt/c.

Gael
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I'm back to taking pink salt w/ water and buffered vitamin C in the morning, and I also noticed a difference.

Biltricide yesterday wasn't as scary as I thought- just cranky- not too far from the norm ;-).

The coffee enemas, however, have been revealing. I don't enjoy the task/ etc. but made a pact with myself to do 1 a day 30 days,

they do flush out parasites.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael! I'm going to order some b-5. I wish I could do the coconut water (can't take the sugar), but b-5 I can do. :)

Surprise, coffee enemas, I know, right? It's a pain in the butt (lol) as it takes an hour out of my day and I have to time it away from meds/herbs/supplements, but IMO worth feeling better.

I'm glad bilt was okay for you. Have you seen any more flukes, or are you still seeing tape worms? I get a mix of different things (glad they are out).
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hey Catgirl it is a mix. Can't bear to go into detail, but very plain as day. It's astounding, STILL.

So, glucose and the parasites: apparently, the anti- parasite drugs starve their glucose, and that is how they die (at least for biltricide and vermox)

I started Vermox/ Medbendazole - I have been craving sugar like crazy these last days, and yes, I am cranky.

Any ideas? I am doing detox, doubled probiotics. I actually started Diflucan again.

Does adding molybdenum help?
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
I plan do start a round of Parastroy within two weeks, and need some advise without wading through this long topic.

I've been off all ABX and Buhner type herbs since this past Sept 19 while on two rounds of Coartem. After a reasonable wait time I want to take one week of Diflucan before I start layering back
ABX protocols.

Is it OK to take Diflucan then start Parastroy within a few days? Then how long would you advise I wait until starting Rifampin? .... then Plaquinel and then minocycline. I always add only one new ABX at a time just in case, even though I've taken all of these in the past without ill effects, but have not taken all together.

I will most likely go back on Salt/C within a week of adding Parastroy.

Comments?

gmb
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
gmb, sounds like a good plan, parasites and yeast stick together a lot.

The only thing I would say: Rifampin (my experience, and others I've read) becomes ineffective going on and off-
and, it's a whammy to the liver with that weird pathway

anomaly, and interferes with other meds if you are on them...
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Surprise, wow I didn't know about the glucose with bilt and vermox/mebendazole. I am not sure if molybdenum would help. Diflucan helped me a little, but florastor seemed to help me more (not on diflucan days though--kills it).

Gmb, fantastic you are going after parasites! The diflucan and parastroy sound okay, but I would wait on the abx. I'm no doc, but diflucan is hard on the liver, and like Surprise said, so is rifampin (I think plaquinil is too).

I also wouldn't do salt C on top of all that. I can handle the herbs and salt C, but not abx and salt C. And I can only handle a tiny bit of herbs while on abx (just me). I hope this helps. [Smile]
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Good evening everyone! Thankfully I have a llmd who explores all avenues. I have been back in treatment now for 5 weeks (after 2years off) Mino, alinia, lots of herbals and starting this week (when I get order) parasite regimen. I'm nervous to start due to herxing and after my appt last week and starting new antivirals Friday, I believe I am herxing now as it is.

It is praziquantel, ivermectin, pyrantel pamoate and albendazole. I am admitingly afraid of the die-off reaction since I had such a horrific experience with chlorella a few weeks ago.

Any advice for me before I start this?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
That's great you're going to treat parasites!

If you haven't tried them already, coffee enemas really help. IMO, they are a must for anyone with detox issues. They help the body to remove lots of toxins that the parasites expel as they're dying.

Did your lyme specialist give you something else to bind it all?
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl for responding!

Yes, I am taking pectasol clear twice a day. I haven't brought myself to check coffee enemas yet but do see them mentioned often so I better.

I could have die-off / herxing correct? According to my ART testing, I am loaded with parasites and virus so I am hopeful that this will put me on the path to remission.

I also bought the salt/c book to continue on when I am done with the rx meds since I gather this a lifelong commitment, correct?
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
Suprise and Catgirl, thanks for the input.

When I plan to start layering on the ABX I would stick with them in combo for several months, not individually in short term.

Last time I was on Rif I had been previously on Zith/Mepron/Augmentin. I then dropped Mepron and Augmentin, stayed on Zith and added Rifampin. Then a few weeks later added doxy, and stayed on that 3 abx combo for several months.

Its the Paratroy that is new to me that I'm concerned with. I've handled some pretty heavy herbs in the past like Cyrto/Sida Acuta, and Alchornia, on top of Mino, Bactrim, Alinia, and Diflican (latter for only six week) with OK results. I always add only one new item at a time to be safe.

Maybe I should just do Diflucan alone for a week after stopping Coartem, then add Parastroy for two weeks, drop the Diflucan, continue to complete the Parastroy course while starting Rifampin and add from there.

As far as Salt/C goes, I had started ramping 1/4 tsp last January while on IV Rocephin, and Zith, Mepron, Bactrim combo. By March I was up to 1 full tsp twice a day with no adverse effects. So I think I can handle it and you all say its goes good with the parastroy.

This 24 day cycle of Coartem is my first time off all ABX since starting treatment back in March 2010. I was due for a break, and feel I got Lyme in remission, but I need to find out what is left to clean-up to get me beyond 80%.

So its one last pass at Babs, and hit parasites, then one last shot at Bart before the end of November when I will be on next year's health care plan. Whatever version I can afford won't be known for another 30 days or so.

If that doesn't help then maybe address Proto and go on that starve to death diet plan.


thanks again... I'll let you know how it comes out (no pun intended)

later

gmb
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Peyjad, die off herxing depends on how much stuff you are doing. Low doses of parasite meds don't do much for me, but higher doses make me herx. I think between the pecta sol clear and salt c you should be covered. Yeast inevitably pops up in the whole mix too.

Yes, I believe treating parasites should be a life long maintenance thing (like we do with cats, dogs, horses, etc).

Gmb, it really sounds like you know your body well and have a good plan of attack. I haven't taken parastroy, but Gael has. She can provide some great in put here.

I have needed to use diflucan during parasite treatment as yeast comes with the die off toxins. I just pulse it as I need it. I'm not sure if you are on binders, but they would be good here to help clean up the toxins.

Wow, that is great you were able to do salt c on abx. Goes to show we are all different with different tolerance levels. It sounds like you're doing things slowly and safely too (good thing).

Hang in there and keep us posted! [Smile]
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
I have the new script for Rifampin, mino and plaquinel that my LLMD wanted to try if Coartem failed. I spoke with my LLNP in last visit about parasites, but she thought it would be to much to treat right now.

In my "pharmacy cupboard" I have left over Diflucan, Zithromax and Bactrim from recent past protocols that I want to use up before they expire. Trying the Parastroy now was my idea to get this out of the way and gauge future therapy.

I'll see how I feel next week after another 5 days of Coartem. I say go for it. I've been a good patient up to now sticking with prescribed meds and sups and have been pretty aggressive.

Let's see what Gael has to offer.

thanks

gmb
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
gmb,

This is what I would do and have done for myself after abx. I did salt/c and antiparasitic herbs plus extra cloves, digestive enzymes (Super Digestaway by Soloray, coconut oil, kefir, and coconut water. I also gradually added Hanna kroeger Wormwood Combo to the Parastroy.

I am very conservative when starting anythng new, so ramping up slowly always felt safer for me. I ended up doing 4tsp salt/c in divided doses (ramping up 1/4tsp at a time)per day.

The KEY also for me was when I "SAW" the parasites being expelled. That was when I knew I was on the right track. This is what I would try first. You can always do the abx later on.

Hope this helps give you some insight, and of course it's just my opinion and not medical advice. Keep us posted.

Good Luck!

Gael
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
Thanks, it gives me a direction. I'll start Diflucan for a week or two and stop, then add in Parastroy and salt/C. I can then phase in some your other supplements as I go.

Would you consider buhner's herbs like Crypto, Sida and Alchornia OK at this phase? For a binder I'll stay on Chlorella.

I guess I can hold off the ABX for a bit.

thanks

gmb
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
gmb, I have been taking Buhner type tinctures all along parasite protocol's, for me it's

Japanese knotweed, cat's claw, hawthorne, and I thrown in adrenal herbs too. I also did a few bottles of sida acuta, alchornea, etc.

Was fine. It's the parasite protocols and clearing liver and intestines in the process that's challenging (for me.)

I find the Buhner type herbs non- stressful.
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Hi everyone

I just took my first dose of praziquantel with dinner and am looking everywhere tryin to figure out how far to space all of these anti parasitic meds from other meds/herbal/supps..

I take minocyline, neem, mag tab sr, b12, florastor, body biotics, fish oil, caprin, A.D.P., fc-cidal, viressence, biocidin and PC- samento, chlorella and finally pectasol-clear...PHEW!

Now I have to fit in praziquantel, than pyrantel Pam & Iver and albendazole

Do they have to be 2 hours from all else or can I take them with all but probiotics? My Llmd only told me I could take all herbals with everything else and chlorella and pectasol separate and mag 2 hours away from ABX but didn't mention about parasite meds.

I don't know when to fit all this in, it seems I should be waking round the clock to fit it all in

Any suggestions? I don't want to take them wrong and have them not work properly
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I would take all the parasite stuff on an empty stomach, except albenza (took it with food/fats).

I take pyrantel and iver on an empty stomach before bed. Then the next day, iver before breakfast at least 1/2 hour to hour before. I take my herbal tinctures 1/2 hour before breakfast and dinner, as they work better on an empty stomach. The other herbs I usually take with breakfast, or lunch & dinner, and abx.

You also want to take this stuff away from chlorella and pectasol. I wait at least 2-3 hours.

I would take the mag in between lunch and dinner, away from everything else.
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Catgirl - Sometimes I think this is the hardest part for me-figuring out how to take it all. This helps, thank you!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ha, ha, I know what you mean.

You're welcome, and best wishes treating the bugs! :)
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Wednesday and Saturday enema days.

First off, todays coffee enema cleared a headache I had.

So that's good news.

But once again the enema made me feel nauseated.
So bizarre!

Can anyone tell me why some threadworms are bright red? While others are beige? I just don't understand it.

And what are the things that look like small twigs?

Anyone else have these?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Peyjad-Welcome [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Greta,

check out the www.lymephotos.com for some pics of these colored worms. I have expelled green, red egg shell blue, black and beige ones.

Gael
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Thanks GretaM! If I have to be here, at least it's in good company lol!
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Yeah, what a group! Can't we have an anonymous name or something?

Greta, I was just thinking of asking you how your CE are going-
I'm going to say what you are seeing is liver flukes- dead dried up is twigs-

Color red alive. Sometimes w/ tomato skin.
Perhaps we should have PM'd. Where's the vomit icon?

The CE's get these out for me, too. I am also doing castor oil packs.
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
Surprise,

What brand of Japanese Knotweed are you using and where do you purchase it.

I was considering adding it and the silver stuff as well

thanks

gmb
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I have been using the tincture from Woodland Essence.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Greta, I'm sorry to hear that you're still having nausea (nausea is also a sign of parasites). Have you tried a weaker dose of coffee, maybe 1 tablespoon? I've made it with one T before and it still worked. You can also try taking some chlorella before your coffee enema to help bind the toxins (half an hour before).

If that doesn't help, then you may want to get some methyl panel/gene mutation tests done (I suggest doing this anyway). I did 23&me and discovered a lot. You can order 23&me yourself $99, and a methyl panel test from holistic heal (I haven't done this one yet, $$). After the 23&me test you can run it through genetic genie (there's a link) and find out even more (this is where I found my issues).

Hang in there and let us know how it goes. [Smile]

www.23&me.com

http://www.holisticheal.com/dna-methylation-pathway-test-kit.html
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
I've read a lot of the posts here and see that yes, there can be die-off reactions.

Having said that, I'm curious if that is what I am experiencing since I started a lot of herbals and antivirals last week. I believe some treat for parasites too but I did just start that protocol last night.

It feels like my muscles are sometimes burning, twitching and sometimes could knot up but don't.

Than again, it could be the fact that we have had for a week, a new 74lb 'puppy' -a home companion/seizure alert dog- for my daughter that tugs hard and he is taught to be on the left side (which is the arm that hurts)

I just don't know because there are so many what ifs with TBD and parasites and the symptoms are so very similar.

Any thoughts? I was really hoping it is a herx symptom! [Smile]
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
I thought that this may be the best place to post this question.

Are there different category Rx and natural anti-parasiticals that hit different stages of the critters?

Could someone give me a little idea which ones kill nymphs, adults, etc.... the different life phases of the parasites?

Just wondering because would like to know if there is a somewhat gentle way of dealing with these things. I've tried DE, Botanifuge, Flagyl, Alinia, (maybe others) and with each I get worse. I cannot afford to lose any more ground. Thanks
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Peyjad, while burning and twitching can be signs of other things, they can also be signs of parasites. You might try some magnesium--helps twitching (if you're low on mag).

I often herx on parasite herbs or meds within hours of taking them. You might want to keep a journal to help identify what's doing it.

Have fun with your new puppy (wow, 74 lbs)!

Also, check out humaworm's website (has lots of info).

https://humaworm.com/symptoms.html
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl I will look at the website! I did see that some of those antiviral tinctures I am taking deplete mag so I will increase it.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hi TNT-
Well, I do have a habit of studying, but life cycles of each parasite I can do without, lol.

The Hilda Clark 'big 3' wormwood, cloves, green hulled walnut is a popular combination known to 'hit it all' except perhaps tapeworms,

for those she recommends high dose CQ10 and olive oil-
Humaworm, Paracleanse type herb mixtures, tend to have her 'big 3' ingredients.

Cloves are known to kill eggs. As far as parasite drugs, I look up each one individually and learn. Rotating all the above is good, special emphasis on the full moon cycle,

when parasites multiply. Keeping the colon cleansed and moving is key to getting them out/ helping die off.
Salt/ C is another avenue to proceed.

I know what you mean about not losing ground- but I also don't know how I can achieve lasting good health with parasites present, taking life force.

HTH-
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi all,

TNT-surprise is correct. The basic 3 are the ones that are present in almost every parasite cleanse mixture. I find it more cost effective to buy black walnut tincture, Wormwood tincture and clove capsules seperately.

Clove capsules daily are the maintenance pill to kill any newly ingested eggs.

To those I add garlic, and oil of oregano.

Today my mimosa pudica and lauricidin arrived so I will be starting those tomorrow.

I am a bit grossed out since Wednesdays coffee enema and the discovery of twigs (dead liver flukes) and red ones (alive).

Today I did not do a CE but felt very toxic and cranky and had an upset stomach. More red worms/tomato peel things. Very gross.

When I say cranky, I mean darn right irritable.

I assume it is die off from the parasites.

Yuck.

It is a new moon today also.

I will dilute my next CE to see if it stops the nausea.

I have also made it to 2 TSP of salt and 2 TSP of C. daily now. I feel good when I drink it.

I hope everyone else is feeling good today and hitting these bugs hard.
 
Posted by tick battler (Member # 21113) on :
 
The MMS parasite protocol by Andreas Kalcker calls for no magnesium because they believe it feeds the parasites and make them stronger and harder to get rid of. I was feeding my kids so much magnesium last year before I heard this.... ugh...

tickbattler
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
You're doing GREAT Greta! I really liked Mimosa Pudica- made me feel good-someone else said it helped their mood, too. Lauriciden got yeast for me, I also really like that product.

I never pay attention to the new moon- very interesting--
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
Thanks, I really appreciate everyone's input. I am definitely feeling new moon, but it could also be the weekly flare for me. I don't tolerate parasite treatment well now at all, since I had the "reaction" to Flagyl. 1 drop of A-Bab sent me into a spiral (yet I have to maintain 20 drops 2x daily of A-Bart). I just wish there were an easy way to hit the little boggers, since I stir up neuro (coordination) issues with parasite treatment.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
TNT- I wonder if it would be easier on your body to start with clove capsules daily.

The cloves will kill any eggs.

Won't get any parasites you currently have, but will stop you from getting more.

I am very sick with die off today.

The parasites being evicted by my body are varied and numerous.

Alive and dead. Whole and in pieces.

It is so disgusting.

There were only a few small roundworms and pinworms during the entire salt/c up until I reached 2 TSP of each daily and now it is a mass exodus.

No wonder lyme has a strong foothold in my body.
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
Thanks, GretaM. Do the cloves act like a cyst buster? If they do, not sure I could handle that. Flu-like sick die-off I can handle, but more neuro & coord. stuff would be undesireable.
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Ok...I'm TOTALLY HORRIFIED!!! [puke] How did we get these? I am afraid to eat now, seriously. Food wise, Any natural sprays for fruits and veggies I can use safely? In addition to METICULOUS hand washing and thoroughly cooking meat of course [Wink]

[ 10-09-2013, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Peyjad ]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I know, they are disgusting (lol)! IMO, every living thing and every one has them, they just don't know it. If you crawled on the floor as a baby, you've got them. If you've ever eaten in a restaurant, you have them. If you breathe air, you have them. Parasites are part of this earth. Lyme patients just seem to have more of them.

Discovering them is shocking. It kind of pops a hole in the bubble we've all been living in. No worries. We live with them, and just knock them back like we do for our pets.

You can clean to your heart's desire, but if you eat restaurant food, which most of us do, your odds of getting them go up.

Hang in there Peyjad! You're lucky you're getting rid of them. [Smile]
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Lol, I guess but yikes! Still disgusting! Gotta admit though, when my llmd did the ART testing and said 'your full of parasites' a part of me thought, yea right...she proved me wrong AND my joint pain is gone and muscle pain is better. Could be coincidence but I don't think so. Hmmmm how long have I had these beasts! Yuck! (I actually got up the courage to tell my ultra, ULTRA conservative hubby and and no divorce papers yet! Lol! Off to take more meds!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ha ha (no divorce papers yet)! I know it's so gross. I view it all as a science project though while examining the specimens. So, does your hubby believe in the ART practitioner now?
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Still didn't tell him exactly what it entails and believe it or not he doesn't know how to use a computer to learn about ANY of this (and he's in his 40's ...(rolling my eyes) but I believe! Thank goodness he didn't ask me HOW I found them lol! That may put him over the edge!
 
Posted by LuluBelle (Member # 38865) on :
 
I think it is time to try going after parasites.

Has anyone used HealthForce Nutritionals SCRAM ?

The formulation looks really good.

If you have tried it I would love to know how it worked for you.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Haven't tried Scram.

Is it a mutli step/bottle one or in a single bottle?

I just tried DE for the first time.

Blech.

Texture.

Is there an easier way to take it?

I just mixed a teaspoon in a glass of water but only managed to drink half it down...

I'm a chicken, I know haha.

Any tips appreciated.

Also started a homeopathic product called "Drainage Tone" for lymph support. So far so good.

And a product called Parastat with the holarrhena antidysenterica bark and several other herbs in it.

I might be hitting the parasites too hard which is why the drainage tone and the red root for lymph support.

Just can't handle seeing worms anymore.

Hope everyone is doing well.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Too funny Peyjad! I can just picture it (lol)!

LuluBelle, good for you for going after parasites! I haven't tried Scram yet, but it looks good (reviews on amazon).

Greta, good job fighting them off! I know it gets old, but the more you get out, the better. Rotating stuff really seems to help me. Salt/c helps me flush out the toxins. DE (sorry, I don't know a better way to take it), does a good job of clearing them out of the colon.

Hang in there. I know it quickly gets old trying to get them out, but these things have been growing in us for a long, long time. I feel better with the progress I've made, but know I have a ton more to do. I want my energy back, and will do pretty much anything to get it back.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Warning, this is gross! But probably not for this thread [lol] I am up to 6 drops in my MMS enema. I did last one yesterday.

This morning, in the toilet, attached to BM was this thing that looked like it could either be a worm or biofilm. It was around 4 to 6 " long, opaque with some markings under the membrane and it branched off to form a "Y" like 2 "tributaries".

Is the blood tinge anything to worry about? I am drying it out on a paper towel. How do you determine whether it is a worm or something else? I guess either way, I should be happy to get rid of this. I will let my LLND know about this.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I've had stuff like that before. I would put it in some alcohol and save it for your LLMD. Intestinal worms don't look like worms we are used to. They live in a different environment (some look like aliens).

Fantastic you are passing them on the MMS! I'm not sure about the blood tinge (although some of the worms that I've passed have had this too).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hi warriors! It's that time again (full moon coming up). How is everyone doing?

Keep at it for those of you who haven't seen much action. When you turn up the heat (adding more things), then they start heading out of the kitchen. It took me a year of treating before I saw this much action.

They release a lot of toxins when they die though (herx). Salt/C helps make it bearable for me (MTHFR). The salt/c helps flush the toxins out, and turns up the heat at the same time. Also coffee enemas (worth it).
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Catgirl, thanks for the encouragement. [Wink] Are you saying that the salt c helps you to detox if you have the MTHFR gene mutation?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome, and yes, it helps me flush the toxins out and provides me with nutrients that I obviously need, because it makes me feel better (also turns up the heat).

I think anything anyone with MTHFR does to get rid of toxins as well as provide some internal support is only going to help. It is much harder for me without the salt/c. But I am also detoxing heavy metals, so maybe that is part of it (MTHFR). I take binders too.

I tried lemon water, but the toxic die off gets intense sometimes, and I have suffered until I did a coffee enema (think this is due to MTHFR). That's a long time in between to wait for relief. Adding in the salt/c reduces most of the toxic herx for me. The lemon water helps, but not as much as the salt/c does for me.
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I've been trying to decide which direction to take first, after having stopped abx a week ago.

Since I have all the parasite drugs on hand, I am going to start with this protocol tomorrow I think.
Biltricide is first. All I have right now are the drugs. What else will I need to do this right?
I've ordered a cheap enema kit from Amazon, that should be here in a week or so.
 
Posted by spinning122 (Member # 42223) on :
 
Hi all,

Not sure if I'm allowed to post a link here? I visit LymeMD's blog from time to time, and came upon a very thought-provoking comment under the "Mystery blood parasites" post (the one written by Anonymous on October 13, 2013 is the one I'm referring to)...

http://lymemd.blogspot.com/2013/09/mystery-blood-parasites.html

I wish the medical field would wake up and realize that more time/money/effort needs to be spent on studying and solving the problems caused by parasites instead of prescribing harmful band-aids for theses "auto-immune diseases" of unknown origin..
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Lymeboy-sounds like you have all your ducks in a row.
[Smile]
Be sure to use the disposable catheters with your enema kit, and sanitize the bucket and hose and pinch valve with hydrogen peroxide.

Also to learn how to do a coffee enema, there's a great coffee enema thread with links on how to do it safely.

Liquid body temp. Make sure all air is out of the lines. Etc. It will show you on the links.

I agree, I feel so good on salt/c. It is almost like my cells crave it.

And I keep checking my bp. It has stayed low even with increased salt/C dosage.

[Smile]
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Full moon approaching and feweling it!

I have been SUPER agitated and irritable these last 2 days.

Like can't sit still, mind is racing, a bit of dp, bladder issues, stomach issues.

I feel like I hit them so hard last month, they're exacting their revenge this month, if that makes any sense.

Super weird dreams.

And bartonella impatience, annoyance, flippance etc.

Trying to detox more.

Is an anyone else feeling more agitated this month?
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Hey guys,

Catgirl and Greta suggested I check out this thread (thank you!) and I do have several questions.

I took ivermectin for the first time last night and this morning. It caused immediate reactions and a herx, so I'm beyond intrigued. My twitching is insane!! I've ALWAYS had twitches, but this is unreal. I'm just laying in bed vibrating and twitching away haha.

So my question is this: I took 24 mg of ivermectin last night and 24 mg this morning - I had the 3 mg pills, but that was all my doctor would prescribe. I have, sitting in front of me, 4 tubes of the ivermectin horse paste that I bought from our local feed store. How do I dose this stuff?? I see where I can put the little thingy to 125 pounds and that gives me just a tiny bit of paste. How many mg does the 125 pound dose equate to? Can I take more than that? I also plan on starting salt/c in the morning and will be ordering parastroy tomorrow as well.

Last question? Has anybody here had any success with chanca piedra? I've read some stories online that it helps with babesia and also one person passed a bunch of worms with it even after they'd done multiple rounds of ivermectin and parastroy. Anybody?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hey L-
We are not 'allowed' per moderators to discuss un- human type meds- if I had your answer, I'd PM you- sorry--

that's a big dose of Ivermectin you took! I weigh about 100 and max I've taken is 12 mg... guess I'm literally a light weight.

Not sure what to do this full moon- just finished Cipro for UTI, and think I discovered high dose C and citrus aggrieved my bladder more.

Still recovering from 'surprising' Bart herx- focusing on more detox tomorrow. Hang in there.
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Thanks surprise! I haven't been on the forum in a loooong time and forgot about the rules [bonk]

If anyone knows the answer to my question, would you mind PM'ing me? Also does anyone know how to go about getting the Fry test done and how much it costs? Do they identify everything they find in the blood (Bartonella, babesia, etc) or just PR? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just kind of out of the loop.

Hope your bladder issues get better Surprise!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Great link Spinning! Thanks for posting!

Greta, yes I've been pretty annoyed and agitated since Friday. It amazes me this stuff happens a week before the full moon. I get all the same issues you do, so I completely understand. Hang in there! [Smile]

Lymielauren, sending you a p.m. As far as iver (human version), I take it divided into four doses. I think that taking it twice a day would be hard for me, but 4 times works fine. Also, I never passed a thing when I tried chanca piedra.

Also, I think the FL1953 was $300-500 depending on extra pictures/staining. You can go to frylabs.com. Tests are still just tests and not always accurate. They only show what is in that vile of blood, so if it didn't get in there, it won't show up on the test. Symptoms, however, are more telling.

Here is the best list of symptoms I've seen that identifies this bug (from one of Nefferdun's post). You don't have to have all of these symptoms, just some, as we are all different:

You may have insomnia, bladder irritation, irritability, anxiety and twitching and think it is bart. You may have hot flashes, sweating, headaches behind your eyes, body pain, profound fatigue, inability to concentrate and air hunger, diagnosing babesia. However with babesia you would be oversleeping, not insomnia.

However now and then you lose your voice, talking like there is a frog in your throat. You get nasal congestion, perhaps thinking you have developed an allergy. Sometimes you get a stabbing feeling in one tooth like you have a bad cavity but the dentist doesn't find anything. In winter your hands, feet and nose are so cold you just can't keep them warm. You get stabbing or tingling nerve pains in various parts of your body.

[ 10-14-2013, 01:38 AM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
Can green tea be consumed with parasite drugs like Biltricide, Iver, Alinia, etc? Or will constantly clearing out the system not give the drugs room to do their work?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I don't see why not. I took herbs that cleansed my body during parasite treatment and I still passed worms.

You should also take binders when working on parasites to mop up all the toxins the dead and dying parasites excrete. You want to take them away from the meds though (at least 2 hours, preferably 3).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Surprise, I'm sorry to hear about your surprising bart herx. I just had one too (thought it was bart), but it was from FL1953. It was pure hell. I hope you feel better soon. [Smile]

Vit C used to aggravate my bladder too (gave me yeast). Looking back though, for me it was killing parasites, which probably held some heavy metals, and yeast followed. Hang in there. I know you're doing all you can. [Smile]
 
Posted by lymielauren28 (Member # 13742) on :
 
Thank you Catgirl. I'm still up in the air as far as testing for PR goes. I suppose it would give me peace of mind to know for sure or not, but gosh I'm so tired of tests!

Well, I'm herxing pretty good from the Ivermectin, which I'm excited about. Lots of twitching and just generally very achey and tired. I'm taking a break today and will get back after it tomorrow.
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
Now that the Coartem has cleared my system, I started Parastroy on Saturday. I had pretty bad nite sweats the last two mornings, sore/weak muscles, and my feet are back tingling pretty severe so I'm sure it's hitting something.

I'm back up to 1 full tsp Salt/C 2x/day after taking some time off due to stopping my beta blocker while on Coartem. I'll keep an eye on my BP before increasing dose or restart my meds.

later

gmb
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
Today is my 2nd day of Biltricide. I took 800mg this am, and I will take 800 with dinner tonight.
After lunch today, I had a hot cup of green tea, after which I felt a crazy vibrating sensation inside my stomach. It was very weird. Never felt that before. Did I hit something? is "inner vibration" common?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hi lymeboy,

The vibrations I experienced were coming from the parasite infection I had. EVERYTIME I took antiparasitics and salt/c, the vibrations would occur and I could feel the movement in my gut sometimes from the parasites. I kinda related it to swatting at bees or hornets and how they start buzzing when attacked.

Just keep going with the antiparasitics. Warm water enemas are good to get them moving out of the lower colon. Happy swatting!! Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I guess I can assume I have parasites? I have a sensation I've never had before, after taking a parasite drug I've never taken before... Buzzing/vibration seems like a common thing with this, sooo...yea, huh?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Yes, to the buzzing!

I get twinges in my spleen and gallbladder area also when I hit hard.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I am still treating parasites (Medbendazole again)
it's amazing what an issue this is- don't see an end any time soon,

and looks like I need some antibiotics. Not as heavy as before, but... can't contain bacteria despite herbs.

Started berberine complex as well. I would love a New Years resolution to be done! That's what I thought last year :-/
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hang in there surprise!

It will be worth it to keep going, although it is tough and a bit discouraging to keep seeing them.

I have been treating parasites with herbals for going on 5 years now. This year salt/c is really flushing (ha!) them out.

3am wakeup call...

Parasites are very active this month.

I hit them hard, it seems they hit back harder...

keep punching and kicking away at these things!

Gmb-nice job on working up to 2 tsp salt/c!

[Smile]
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hi guys so many are finding this months full moon really bad , I have been flaring like crazy since about Sunday, it really sucks

Just had a chelation yesterday and it has really stirred things up badly. I go for a blood ozone treatment tomorrow and I sure hope that helps.
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
Ok, finishing up my round of Biltricide. before I move on to the Ivermectin/pyrantel, should I take a break for a day, or power through? I'm not feeling worn yet. Though I definitely had some reactions.
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I went straight to Ivermec.after taking Bilticide-no break or clear out time in between the meds.

I have not been on here for a while because I have been feeling great! But....last night felt that familiar deep twinge like something was brewing.

Had a "parasite" night. Silly me to think I could kick it in a few months of treatment. Anyway, back on anti-para.'s again. This months full moon is a real kicker!
 
Posted by nitsuj1225 (Member # 39866) on :
 
I've been following this thread for a while as I've suspected parasites have been a problem for me.

I will be discussing parasite treatment with my LLMD in a couple days.

I stumbled across this piece of news today and had to share.

A biology professor literally pulled a parasite from his cheek. Pretty crazy stuff.

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/archive/segment/the-man-who-pulled-a-nematode-from-his-cheek-with-forceps/525dc51bfe344453ec000022
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Fascinating thread Nitsuj! Sadly, most docs and labs don't know what to do with worms (not equipped or trained).
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
Today is my first day of Ivermectin, and I feel like I got hit by a truck. I am so exhausted and uncomfortable. I feel like I'm going to fall over. What can I do to combat this?
Also, I have painful, sensitive spots on top of my head. It feels bruised for an hour or so, then it is sensitive to touch. I think I remember reading someone else having top of head soreness while treating parasites. Is this right?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You might have to lower your dose of iver. Not everyone can tolerate the dose on the Dr. K protocol (it's high). Coffee enemas will help.

Are you taking salt/c too? If so I would lower it or stop. The iver is strong.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Lymeboy-has your enema kit arrived yet? If it has can you do a coffee enema?

My doc recommended to take a teaspoon of Eno in a glass of water and drink it while it is still fizzing.

Or Alka Seltzer Gold.

Both those go straight away to help the liver.

Also, I am a big fan of castor oil packs on top of the liver to help support it.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hang in there Maya--I hope the ozone helps! This has been a tough full moon.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I just had the ozone yesterday but still feeling pretty crappy. Was feeling a little bit better before the ozOne but likely herxing now today uggg
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
How is everyone feeling/ hanging in with the full moon today?

Certainly not one of my best days ever. This full moon really is a bad one
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
It was an especially tough week in that I started my first course of Parastroy last Satureday.

Nite sweats hit hard on Monday and to a lesser extent Tuesday and Wednesday. This has never been a consistent sx. No sweats Thursday nor today.

Painful tingling feet has returned big time as well since starting the Parastroy. Also increased agitation and brain fog.

Is this typical for a first time para cleanse?

Picked a good week.

gmb
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Today I feel a thousand times better than all week, and I took a 1x dose of Ivermectin this morning (12 mg) not sure what that means...

all the other parasite drugs make me feel like garbage (with lots of detox)

Started lipo glutathione, Bactrim DS, and berberine this week. 3 days of Medbendazole.

Just glad I pulled out of the week's funk, it's been BAD.
So hang in there everyone, detox, and remember it will get better.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
To describe how today is going:

I couldn't find an emoticon that showed a woman running back and forth across the screen, screaming bloody murder, while pulling her hair out.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Oh Greta! This disease is the strangest thing ever- after this week of serious grief, week before this one on Cipro absolutely miserable,

I went out tonight and had one of the best nights of my life.
My little kids had a festival at their school- my PANS daughter started

lipo glutathione again this week and is doing awesome-
I was truly happy and felt great, had fun, with the big moon shining down.

Hard to believe when down so low, I really know.
So hang on, it's there, it is there---
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Surprise-that is awesome news about your great day [Smile]

I bet that festival was a lot of fun.

You deserve a wonderful day like today after your last couple weeks.

Reading about you and your family's great day has given me a ray of sunshine today.

I am so glad to hear about the lipo glutathione. [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Surprise, I am so happy to hear this! :) Hang in there everyone!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
I'm sorry I have to get this out.

I understand trying parasite cleanses/meds, and maybe feeling no different afterwards or not seeing any results in hair, skin, stomach function, or even seeing things in the toilet.

Giving it a shot is great.

But I get PO'd when folks aren't even open to the idea of parasites and pooh-pooh it.(no pun intended here).

Especially since Burgdorf found the lyme spirochetes along with a belly FULL of microfilarial worms.

That is a documented fact, acknowledged by every side.

So at the very least, we have these microfilarial worms.

At the very least.

Eat sushi? Great. Add in a few more species.

Eat your steak medium or rare? Great add in a few more.

Ever eaten a garden carrot fresh from the ground? Great! Add some more.

Cats. Dogs. Rabbits. Guinea Pigs. Great! Got some more species there.

Ever worn bare feet in sand or on grass? Awesome! Got some more there.

I mean it goes on and on and I just needed to get this out of my brain.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks for posting that Greta. And Burgdorfer's finding is huge, yet overlooked daily.

I think some people just don't want to believe that they could possibly have parasites. It could be fear, or denial, or a closed mind that keeps them from recognizing this.

Part of the problem is that we were all raised to believe our environment (homes, work, hospitals etc) is sterile, except for in third world countries. This is simply not realistic.

Hopefully the naysayers will understand after continual plateauing, sliding backwards, or slowly degrading. Even people who have never had pets have parasites. They are part of this earth.

Yes, you can keep more bugs from you by rinsing your food, etc, but parasites find a host no matter what. Eggs are often airborne or in food you simply cannot see them.

Parasites are part of the planet for a reason. Nothing on the planet is meant to live forever. IMO, mother nature made them along with bacteria, microbes and viruses to insure it. They help break living things down. Knocking back the bugs only makes sense.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Well said, Catgirl. Well said.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
BRAVO Greta for posting these overlooked facts and continues to put people in denial. I have read about a ND doc who believes that most degenerative diseases are caused by parasites.

I really agree with this after doing years of research and coming to the same conclusion.

So happy to see so many finally going after these most invasive infections. Thanks so much for the posting and for your always insightful feedback Catgirl!

Gael
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I've been taking ivermectin for 5 days. I started eating Greek yogurt again for breakfast. Is this an ok meal while treating parasites?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Yes indeed as long as it is plain and you don't add any sugary things to it.

Greek yogurt is higher in protein than regular, runnier yogurt and has good bacteria in it.

When I was doing strict low carb, there was some research that indicated that the naturally occuring sugars in plain Greek yogurt was actually consumed by the bacteria.

So the sugars listed on the label were analyzed in the batch, but actual sugars may be lower.

If you can add something high in fibre to the yogurt to help detox the toxins from your parasite meds.

Enjoy [Smile]
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I usually add a banana and shaved almonds to it. berries If I have them. I didn't have this for the longest time while taking Mepron, and I missed it.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Does anyone here get mouth sores, really painful roof of mouth, together with head pressure and skull pressure? UGH, this is ALL NEW.

The full moon was TERRIBLE, I don't think I slept at ALL. That is the first time it has been so noticeable to me. I am not on any treatment except Buhner bartonella and mycoplasma herbs but going downhill fast.

I don't want to kill parasites to release more bart, when the bart I have doesn't respond to the meds for it! Anyone have any insight? Lymeboy, Surprise, others with bart?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
CD57, I could talk about Bart for a long time, but I'm going to make this short. I read this line last week:

Bartonella will root itself in the intestinal wall.

This clicked with me, as I have had Bart come back after having it tamped down pretty good. I'm on Bactrim DS (first time)

and oh boy. Cipro a few weeks ago for a UTI knocked me up.
I don't know how your gut health is, how your diet is- but, I think the parasites/ yeast/ bacteria hang out in a sludge

and need to be taken out. Sometimes I wonder: all this in this little body- how- caked on intestines? Pulling off organs?

Once you start seeing parasites leaving, it makes you want to get them all out best you can. Nasty and not right.

Getting the Bart down makes my mind sharper- but it's crazy on the multifaceted die off.

P.S. I had Bart tamped down pretty good and tried to walk away, but started getting more frequent gut attacks- my gut wasn't right.
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I'm flying blind with Bart right now. The only thing I am treating is parasites. I have no means to treat it whatsoever right now. It has been the worst infection for me by far. The depressive/anger elements have already crept back. I have no answers, in fact, I am all but ready to throw in the towel. I won't, but I'd like to. Something inside of me seems to have given up a while back. The bart isn't going anywhere for me.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
This full moon was terrible!

I don't know why, but it really kicked the you-know-what out of me.

I had such great results with Rifampin.

For the first month.

Now things are on the downslide.

I am very agitated, everything annoys me, my eyes are bothering more.

It's the agitation an anger that bother me the most.

I feel like the rifampin isn't working anymore, with any of the others I've paired it with.
This sounds ridiculous but I feel like the rifampin awoke the sleeping bear.

If this agitation keeps up...

I don't know what I will do.

I can't give any advice CD. I'm sorry.

It does feel like forward progress when I see worms exiting though.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
lymeboy,CD57

The bart for me was eradicated with extensive parasite tx. Remember that the parasites protect and carry the bacteria in their coats, so getting them out is imperative. Also extra cloves kills the eggs. PLEASE don't give up. Peristence is key.

CD57, I would def add in antiparasitics and salt/c to your protocol. If you don't kill the parasites, the battle can seem futile.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
CD57, check on one of my recent posts. There was someone who spoke of her daughter having these symptoms. I think she attributed to bart. I have had some of this, but not to the extent you describe.

I did have something called a 'fistula' on the roof of my mouth, which was connected to a terribly infected tooth, which needed to be extracted. This was a root canaled tooth and the infection had traveled to the bone.

I have a 'retention cyst' in the lower sinus right above where this infection was and I constantly wonder if bartonella or some other bacteria or parasite have made their home in my sinus... I am going to see a 3rd biological dentist about this in a few weeks.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I agree with Gael, bart is parasite related. Bart likes to flare on me before the full moon. A-bart helps me with the flares.

Gael, thank you for telling us about bart (inspirational)! It sounds like it took a long time to eradicate. I will be patient. [Smile]

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Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
I started the last batch of parasite meds, Albendazole, and am experiencing the tip of my tongue get tingly and burning sensation. Almost like I burnt it. Not all the time but I especially notice it when I drink something hot... Any thoughts? Maybe a side effect since it started other same time?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Bart just flares on me all the time. I can't believe that I can be on heavy duty meds for it that do NOT kill it. Hideous Rifampin for months, mycobutin, Levaquin, etc...the fact that you guys can at least knock it back with meds is amazing. I have to keep trying diff things.

Lymeboy do you feel like bart is related to parasites for you?

Parasite treatment has NOT helped so far but I will keep trying stuff.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Peyjad, I've had that before. I think it's due to a B-12 deficiency or yeast.

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/45176?#000002

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/82417?#000000
 
Posted by Peyjad (Member # 23228) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl. Went to llmd thursday and she thought the same thing. Definitely a weird sensation . She gave me b6 though so i am confused lol. Guess I'll give that a try and if no relief I'll get b12

Thanks!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this back up for Truesun to review for lungworms.

Gael
 
Posted by RZR (Member # 20953) on :
 
Is it important to take breaks from parasite treatment?

I have been battling 3 years now. I have knocked the load down because I did gain the much-needed 15 lbs. back I had lost. I rotate pharmaceuticals and Parastroy...taking Parastroy 3 weeks and then meds one week...sometimes 2 weeks Parastroy, 2 weeks meds. I have not been taking a break.
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
RZR,

I think I read on the Parastroy or Hunaworm sites to take breaks between treatments

I just started Parastroy this past October 12. On the 14th and 15th I had some medium night sweats noticed mostly when I woke up at 3:00 am with damp hair. The sweats stopped, but then have returned the past two nights/mornings.

Is this common, or is my babs making another comeback? The only ABX I've started to take after my recent round of Coartem is minocycline.

gmb
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
RZR, I think it is a good idea to give your body a rest. I was watching Dr. Oz today and he had a segment on parasites. It was good! The guest doc he had on said that it is important to take a break from wormwood. I've wondered this myself as I am not testing (energetically) for it right now. I'm not even testing for the meds. Maybe a good time for just the salt/c.

Also, for anyone who didn't see the segment today (Dr. Oz), the guest doc said that even the best parasite tests (the newer ones) are only 50% accurate (the older ones, the ones they still test most patents with are even lower).

Gmb, sounds like babs or proto.
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
A little less than two years ago, I found that I had a tapeworm in my small intestine. Quite large! I started by using praziquantel, but that released a monumental amount of what seemed to me heavy metal into my system, causing me to go from mostly functional to pretty sick. I found some articles that suggested that tapeworms can sequester much higher burdens of heavy metal in their tissue (something like 300x) than their fish hosts, and so my reaction started to make sense to me. Later, I read on this thread that Dr. K says that the worm sequesters the metal in its coat as a defense mechanism against the immune system, and that made even more sense.

Since then, I have been focusing on detoxing metals, mostly through Medicardium EDTA suppositories. Finally about six months ago, I got to the point where I felt like I was able to go back to killing the tapeworm again, though the metals release has been pretty brutal at times. I have been using a mixture of diatomaceous earth, ozone water and herbal parasite formula. And lots and lots of enemas, mostly coffee enemas but other kinds as well.

I feel like I am getting toward the end, but this is still rough. The parasite releases a variety of toxins and also seems pretty stuck in the intestine. Has anyone been through this with a tapeworm? Do you have any suggestions?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Yes. You have to use more binders, and more than once per day. Coffee enemas definitely help clear the toxins, but they don't get them all out. You need something to bind them and carry them out of your body. DE is good, but IMO, not enough. I would use something that has some clay in it.

Also, my doc told me that for people with babs, it's harder to get the worms out. They don't let go very easily--you have to keep working at it.
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
I've used this clay in the past but not felt like it was that helpful. I wonder if something else would be better.

http://www.amazon.com/Yerba-Prima-Bentonite-Detox-Ounce/dp/B00016XI7A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383574815&sr=8-1&keywords=bentonite
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I forgot to ask, how did you find the tapeworm? That is awesome you found it! Did you have it surgically removed (you said it was quite large)?

I like Detox2 by Byron White (greenandhealthy.com). The sheet my doc gave me said it has the capability of pulling thousands of toxins out of the body.

Here are some notes as well as binders that Gigi posted in the past (great info):

..."The need for binders is always present. If you don't pay attention to them and use them, you will find the same toxins circulating your body again and again and that is why so many people never seem to be able to get well.

we need to do the same when treating parasites. because the system gets flooded with the toxins they held. Usually serious metal toxicity shows up after a parasite kill, and that as sure as day turns to night, is followed with fungal toxin release that feels just as miserable -- unless you prepare with binders several times a day.

Half hour before all meals and at night time.

Killing bugs and almost any therapy or act that mobilizes becomes sort of useless unless you prepare with binders.

Neurotoxins are present for thirty-some years, is what Dr. K. said many times, unless you work with binders."

...

quote:Originally posted by GiGi:
Binders and Detox Remedies:

Biosil (Connective tissue and intercellular detox)

Charcoal (Binds toxins, Diarrhea) 2 capsules very 2-3 hours up to 8 total in 24 hours. Capsulres are preferred to tablets. Use only as needed - it will compete for absorption with food and other nutrients. I used to take them at bedtime, with nothing else.

Chlorella (pyrenoidosa or vulgaris)

Apple Pectin

DMG (dimethylglycine) Assists chemical detox

Green Clay/ Calcium Bentonite Living Clay (suffocates larval forms of parasites and toxins in the gut. 1 tsp 2x/d in small amount of juice (berry juice works best). May need to be given with 1 tablespoon of ground flax to prevent constipation.

Microsilica (detox/put in Klinghardt Lyme Cocktail)

Cholestyramine (primarily for mycotoxins). Rx. always without aspartame.

Cholestepure

... Alternating is always a good thing. Don't take charcoal too often - but it works when you really feel miserable from die-off. Take it when you know meds are causing die-off ---- not days later...
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
I just finished my first bottles of Parastroy after a month off ABX while on Coartem starting in mid Sept. I also got back on Salt/C with the parastroy. My stools remained fairly consistent thru this period and I know that everyone may not see bugs exiting.

Over the past 3 weeks I have had a return of cyclical night sweats, peripheral neuroprophy, and brain fog. Yesterday was the worse with what felt like I had a kidney stone, and the pain and
sweats/chills put me in bed for most of the day. But the pain and sweats passed in six hours as fast as it began.

Today I'm doing OK. So what gives? Yesterday was the worse day in many years of TX. I did start Plaquenil on last Wednesday, but I've taken it before with no reaction.

I'm also on Mino, colloidal silver, Burner's CSA blend, and Japanese knotweed. I'll add Rifampin maybe tomorrow and stay with 2 tsp Salt/C per day.

Comments? Next steps for parasites? I see my LLNP on Nov 19, and hopefully she will have some good take-aways from the ILADS conference.

thanks

gmb

[ 11-04-2013, 11:59 AM: Message edited by: gmb ]
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
I found out about the tapeworm when I did a 5-day fast with parasite herbs and then started eating nothing but produce for a while. It released a bunch of eggs, irregular shapes but sort of like rice. And so when I looked up what that could be, I realized it was a tapeworm. (Which made sense considering other symptoms I had had.)

So then right away I tried the Praziquantel. A huge amount of stuff (bright yellow!) came out, but I was overwhelmed by the metals release. So I didn't do follow-up on the drug and the whole thing grew back. I think it is about the same size as it was the first time.

So after concluding that the metals were the main problem, I used about 60 boxes of Medicardium (EDTA suppositories) and some DMSA suppositories, and have done literally thousands of coffee enemas.

I also did a lot of csm early on. I was doing really scrupulous mold avoidance at the time, and that seemed to prompt my body to release a lot of the mycotoxins. The stuff the worm released felt more like metals to me, or at least definitely different.

I was very sick for a very long time (bedridden, close to death, etc.), and so I guess it's not surprising that my methylation system would have shut down and allowed all these metals to accumulate. And the worm to benefit from them. I am almost well now, except for this one issue, I think. It is a challenge though!

I've used most of the binders on that list. But what seems to have been most helpful recently has been the coffee enemas (e.g. 5 per day) and the Medicardium.

I've been more proactive in the killing stuff recently. It feels like a lot of dead matter is wedged in my small intestine. So I am hoping to get that out. Maybe castor oil shots (which the Gerson therapy uses), though I do dread those.

I wish I knew more people with this sort of illness who had addressed a large tapeworm successfully! All I keep hearing from people is how hard it is. Which I already know. [Smile]
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hilda Clark says 3,000 mg of COQ10 in the morning on an empty stomach will kill tapeworm.

Do you think they could be seen on a CT scan?
Would they even tell you?
Curious.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
gmb,

you have to stay on antiparasitics indefinitely and then maintenance. You can either continue with the Parastroy or switch to Hanna Kroeger Wormwood kit or Humaworm. Add extra cloves, digestive enzymes and slowly continue to ramp up on salt/c.

If you herx too much, take a break until it calms down. Your symptoms of brain fog and neuropathy are a herx. Warm water enemas help release toxins and dead and dying parasites.

I did 6 mos of herbs and it wasn't until I added salt/c did I have a mass exodus of parasites. It can take several yrs to get rid of this kind of infection.

It takes persistence and a consistent effort to get rid of these buggers, They just hang on for dear life. Some of them (roundworms) lay 200,000 eggs a day.

You can also increase the Parastroy to 3 each 2 x a day after the 3rd week. Just keep going and research all you can about getting rid of parasites.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Slayadragon, I have never met anyone who killed just one tapeworm. I did see a guy who had one surgically removed before though (he was on the Dr. Oz show). It was huge! I believe we all have parasites and where there is one form, there are likely more. Your progress is so inspirational none the less. It is awesome that you are almost well!

Killing certain worms has been brutal for me as well. The toxins they release can be so intense. Binders in addition to coffee enemas have helped. The more binders, the better I feel. And salt/c really helps on those bad days (flushes out the toxins and supports my body at the same time). When in doubt, I reach for the salt/c.

Have you tried castor oil packs to break up what you feel is dead matter? Sometimes they help to push things through.
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl. That is very interesting that someone had a tapeworm surgically removed. Intestinal surgery is really hard on the body though. So I would be pretty reluctant to do that, personally. Though the idea of getting it over with does have an appeal.

I do take a lot of vitamin C (maybe 15-20 g recently), but in capsules. And I do think that is really helpful for flushing these out. Also I like Mag07, which is an oxygen delivery system that supposedly dissolves things in the intestines.

How much Vitamin C and how much salt do you use? Do you take them together? Does it matter if you use the salt on food?

Did you ever see this video of a tapeworm found during a colonoscopy? That is the color I witnessed too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQhaO1pWztw

I looked up info about castor oil packs on the web. That looks like a good idea but possibly really messy!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Coconut oil applied directly around the area of the small intestine and abdomen is a very good way to help kill these infections. Doesn't stain clothes as far as I can see and has really helped me heal through the yrs.

Gael
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
Gael, do you eat coconut oil also?

How often do you apply the coconut oil to your abdomen?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
The castor oil packs become easier, and you figure out tricks to make them less work.

They really are effective for me.

I started adding coconut oil to my hot drinks (internal consumption) and I think the extra fat has stressed my gallbladder :-/
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Do you know if your spouses/partners need to be treated for parasites while you are? I just wonder about the vicious cycle of passing these monsters back and forth.

Today, I saw some awful looking things that freaked me out in the toilet. I am so grossed out that these are inside of me.

The only protocol I am using is MMS enema and cloves daily with daily tbs of food grade diatomaceous earth. Also on A Bart and cordyceps with many homeopathics and nutritional support.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome Slayadragon. [Smile] Wow that youtube video is gross but fascinating at the same time. I've always thought docs just ignored parasites.

The salt/c I take is from the salt/c protocol (great book on amazon). Gael (the awesome woman who started this thread) saw amazing results after she started using it. I don't want to speak for her, but everything she has posted convinced me that salt/c was key to getting these creatures out.

I feel so much better after I take it. You start with 1/4 tsp of sea salt added to 1/4 tsp of powdered vitamin C in a big glass of water (I use 2 cups of water, and Esther C powder). I started taking it once per day, then after a while twice per day. I either sip it throughout the day, or take it on an empty stomach. You have to go very slow when increasing the dosage though (I think it's best to read the book). I went even slower than that though--lol (chicken)!

Surprise is right about castor oil packs. My first couple were messy, but like anything else (coffee enemas, etc), you get it down pat in no time. And Gael's suggestion about the coconut oil is a great idea. I forget to do this sometimes (lyme brain). I'm not really sure where my small intestine is, so I just massage some in around the gall bladder area.
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
I read this whole thread at one point but don't remember all of it. And Salt C is one protocol that I've not done. Is it supposed to kill the parasites or do something else in addition to that?

I will try using coconut oil externally.

I have been increasing the amount of ozone water that I have been taking and right now am feeling that there may be something inside my stomach, giving me kind of a stabbing feeling. It feels too high up to by in my intestines. That is rather scary.

It is ridiculous how little conventional medicine knows about everything associated with this sort of illness, including the parasites. I read the journal article associated with that You Tube video, and it sounded like the sufferer had some kind of chronic mystery disease. And after they gave her drugs to address the tapeworm, she did not get much better. Which is not really a surprise to me. That would have just been one part of the problem.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
It sounds like parasites (stabbing feeling).

Salt/C works really well to kill off parasites, especially when you include anti parasitic herbs (in the same day). But like Gael said above (response to gmb), you have to keep at it, and maintenance is forever.

IMO, killing off parasites with anything helps to knock lyme back (salt/c included). When I did just salt/c though, lyme was still flaring for me. But when I added anti parasitic herbs, that was when I noticed lyme on the run. It didn't last long though.

I think the key is to rotate everything or the bugs adapt. That said, I was taking a weak dose of salt/c. I may have made more progress upping my dose. It's hard to do all of this while removing metals as well.

I agree, it is ridiculous how little conventional medicine knows. We've all been sold a bill of goods growing up believing they know best, and to trust whatever they say. Yet they completely ignore parasites, lyme, etc.

They firmly believe parasites only exist in underdeveloped countries. They stopped using their brains, and simply followed their textbooks/mentors. No room to grow beyond that when their mentors keep regurgitating old standards too.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dbpei, it's not a bad idea. I believe Dr. K treats the spouse as well. I know with pin worms you treat the whole family. I am also happy to hear you are making progress with the MMS, cloves and DE. [Smile] A-Bart is good stuff too.

My husband doesn't have anywhere near the problems I do, so he doesn't treat as often as I do. That said, after seeing what came out of me, he is treating again (lol!). He started on MMS and humaworm 10 years ago. The guy was so ahead of the pack, and light years ahead of me (lol)!

I completely understand your disgust over the gross creatures. Try not to freak out. We all have them, IMO. They are part of this earth. Their eggs are so tiny, they are easily missed (food, water, air). Their job is to stay hidden in their host. You are doing so well getting rid of them!
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks for your encouragement, Catgirl. [Wink] I need to keep remembering that it is good to be getting these disgusting things out of me, even though I am not happy to see them!

I am having so many strange sensations in my face and ears today. (more than the usual that I complain about) Wondering if they are invading that area too!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome! Yes, remember that you are making progress--it takes time.

No doubt the bugs are there. They go everywhere they can. I get weird feelings like a bug or spider web is on my face, or something is under my skin around my nose, chin and mouth--yet, nothing is there.

I notice it when I'm hitting the bugs with parasitic meds, or herbs. I've even had tiny seed like things exit from the corners of my eyes (Gael has mentioned this before too). And ears, don't get me started (lol)! My ears are so much better now.
 
Posted by LuluBelle (Member # 38865) on :
 
Help for a newbie please.

What to use for the salt/C protocol ?

I know to start low dose and work up. But what exactly to use. Plain seasalt and plain vitamin C, but any other guidelines for these ?

Just check and be sure the label says Ingredients: Sea Salt ?

For the Vitamin C I assume it should be vitamin c and nothing else? I ask because there alot of vitamin c supplements that contain calcium, magnesium etc.

If it is plain vit c. Is it OK to to a vitamin c with cal, mag etc separate from the salt/C ?

Sorry to "bug" you guys with a beginner question. I did try to find the answer - but there are 20 pages !

It could be helpful to have this protocol at the top of every page.

Thanks !
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I use Esther C powder with boflavinoids by American Health(8oz) and buy it at Vitacost. I also use Real Salt sea salt and order it from Vitacost in the 26oz size.

I mix the two together in a glass of water and drink extra water. Coconut water is also very beneficial to help balance electrolytes and is high in potassium.

Hope this helps you.

Gael
 
Posted by LuluBelle (Member # 38865) on :
 
Thanks Gael !
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome. keep us posted and Good Luck!

Gael
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
What is the ultimate target dose for the Salt-C protocol?

I have been taking 10-20 g of Vitamin C a day for a while. I eat a fair amount of salt anyway, but maybe it doesn't count if it is on food (though truly that does not make a lot of sense to me unless you need to totally fast to do this).

But today I dissolved a tablespoon of salt in water and drank that. It did not seem like too bad of a thing to do either. (A mixture of grey sea salt and pink sea salt.)

I also am taking anti-parasite herbs, diatomaceous earth (1-2 scoops per day), and periodic ozone water.

It does seem to be irritating the worm (which appears to be right at the junction of where my stomach and small intestine meet). But whether I can kill it with this natural stuff, I don't know.

I wonder if I should be doing praziquantel instead.

I wish this were more charted territory!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
slayadragon,


NOT advisable to start at 1 tablespoon of salt!! RAMPING UP SLOWLY is what the protocol calls for. Otherwise you could really find yourself in a very bad herx.

I started with 1/4tsp each sea salt and 1/4tsp vit C per day in a glass of water and ramped up 1/4tsp at a time according to how I was herxing. I also took antiparasitic herbs, digestive enzymes, coconut oil, coconut water, extra cloves and kefir.

I worked my way up to 20gm each over time (1tsp 4 x a day in divided doses) I think the suggested dose is more like 12 gms a day.

Best to buy the salt/c plus book from Amazon for guidance.

Gael
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
Well, I've been working on killing this tapeworm for nearly two years and have detoxified massive amounts of both metals and biotoxins already (over the past six years since starting mold avoidance). And I'm basically recovered from "this disease" -- all that seems left of it is this parasite. So probably I'm working from a different vantage point than most other people.

I don't feel like the salt has made much of a difference compared to what I was already doing. But I will try continuing with that same amount, except it sounds like it's better to split it up over the course of the day.

Have you encountered anyone who has managed to address a large tapeworm effectively, Gael? I wonder if there is anything else that I might learn from them.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
It's full moon time again. How is everyone doing?

Hang in there, just a few more days. :)
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Oooh Catgirl! Is it full moon yet?! This is a tough couple of days!

Ice pick headaches at 2am.
Projectile vomiting at 3am.

Every joint and tendon irritated.

Eyes SO dry.
Spleen "twinging"
Zero appetite.

I am on heavy duty combination antibiotics.

Should I wait till they are done to take albendazole and ivermectin?

Or can I do ivermectin and albendazole while on heavy duty abx?

I don't want to stress my liver. The abx I am on are heavy hitters to the liver and kidneys.
 
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
 
So - this is the first time I have had a serious herx in sync with the full moon. Definitely outside the 1 month herx cycles that i have been having with Abx treatment.

Would you say that having a herx with the full moon is solely indicative of parasites or can lyme do this as well?

Nonetheless - hitting parasites with herbs and salt/c is on the schedule to do in a couple of months
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Greta,

you can use this emoticon for the bloody murder, screaming, hair pulling you experienced. [woohoo] just label your feelings behind it.

So sorry you had/have to go through that, but I can sure relate. Hope you feel better soon.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Watching Michael J Fox on Rachel Ray this morning. He was originally dx with Lyme disease yrs ago and then given the secondary dx of Parkinson.

Everytime I see him move and squirm I can't help but feel he has large G.I. worms causing this movement. Is it just me being fixated on parasites, or does anyone else see or think this is a possibility?

Have to say though he doesn't seem to be suffering which is great and has a new TV show.

Wish him well of course.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Greta, you poor thing. You definitely need the lyme treatment. I am not sure I would do the iver or albenza while on heavy duty abx. The parasite meds are so strong, I don't think I could handle it. Our livers can only take so much. And if you happen to be on diflucan on top of that, it can be even more taxing on the liver with all things combined.

I would probably just try the herbs first. You can also try adding salt/c (1/4 tsp of each) after a while (if you are doing okay on the herbs). My liver couldn't take much salt on abx, so the herbs were a good option for me.

I used to have dry eyes too. Mine were so dry that I used to get up and cup my hand with some water then bend over and dip my eye in my cupped hand of water. It gave me instant relief. Hang in there!

LymeSwimmer, it's hard to say if your herx is from parasites, lyme or both. It took me some time before I nailed my herxes down (try keeping a journal).
 
Posted by Nancy L (Member # 42733) on :
 
What tests and by what labs have you all taken to diagnose what parasites and co-infections you have?

I am guessing that I just have Bb, since herbal treatment has gotten rid of my heavy neurological symptoms and muscle aches. Just light joint aches (migrate), and numbness/sensitivity in my left hand & fingers that has not gone away and actually is increasing in which areas of hand now.

But if I also have parasites or co-infections to treat, I would like to know.

I was fortunate enough to recognize recently that my symptoms were Lyme, and get positive testing, so hopefully not too much damage done yet. But I did get it in 2009, just not bad symptoms until a few months ago.

Thanks for any suggestions for testing.
 
Posted by keinbinder (Member # 42794) on :
 
has anyone here taken ivermectin?
i took it three days in a row last week and have never felt so bad in all my treatment. i feel nauseated, weak, horrible headache, etc.. hasnt gone away yet and i havnt taken it in about 5 days...
is this normal?
i am prone to herxing, but i have not herxed this bad from anything.
i also started ababs but only a very low dose, like a few drops.
thanks
 
Posted by keinbinder (Member # 42794) on :
 
how do you follow your own post in this thread? sorry, i am new to this...
 
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
 
keinbinder,

Best to create a new posting IMO.

You'll bet more replies this way.
 
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
 
Someone told Keinbinder to post here. I posted on your post kein.

Tapeworms come off in segments - not eggs. The segments are wiggly but they dry up and look like a piece of rice. My cats get them all the time. Ivermectin will not kill tapeworms.

I am going to the NP on Monday for IV EDTA to degrade the biofilm and chelate some heavy metals. I hope it works.

I have been taking a lot of anti-parasitic drugs and herbs including ivermectin, Alinia, albendazole, and mimosa pudica. Now I think BLO is coming out because I have had a lot of irritation and slightly sore soles of my feet in the AM.

I have not had an increase in symptoms with full moons for nearly two years but this last full moon was horrific. I have never been so anxious.
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
yes keinbinder, for me, Iver made me nauseous and woozy. I have gone through the whole Dr. K protocol, ending Alinia on Monday. It has been awful. Each drug had a specific herx and/or side effect . The Iver made me nauseous, killed my appetite and worn out. Albenza gave me really bad anxiety and aggression, as did Alinia. The Alinia has brought on a good deal of eye bulging headaches, making my eyes feel like they were popping out. After this entire protocol, I feel pretty burnt out. Not sure if I hit anything, or missed everything and the disease continued to progress. Because I feel worse right now. I've been trying to detox too, with coffee enemas, and chlorella/charcoal, but the anxiety levels are way out of hand. I'm going to take a few days/weeks just trying to detox and take nothing, and then starting scaling up with salt-c.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Nancy, the tests suck (like or worse than the western blot). Most people who don't make much progress with lyme realize there is something else so they jump in and start treating parasites.

Keinbinder, your dose may have been too high. Some people can only handle one 3mg pill a day, or every other day. All of us are different, and have different things that affect our ability to detox: MTHFR, other gene variants, etc. Have you tried salt/c protocol with anti parasitics yet? They really help me. Also, you should detox right now, and take binders (will help you feel better). Try some chlorella and/or food grade diatomaceous earth (amazon).

Lymeboy, you feel bad because you killed a ton of stuff even if you didn't see it. The toxins are floating in your body (yeast too). You have to detox like crazy when on these meds. Yeast could be there even if you don't see symptoms, and it will make you feel terrible in general.

I would take all you can to support your immune system right now. Salt/c, vitamins, minerals, herbs, teas, soups, and everything else you're doing and some stuff for yeast.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Keinbinder and Lymeboy, I forgot to mention that the parasite meds change for me each time I do them. Some much better, some worse, which is why we have to rotate them and alter doses.
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I do take chlorella and coffee enemas, though I realize that may not be enough. What is a relatively cheap way to thoroughly detox? What is an inexpensive way to combat yeast.

I think that Detox and yeast MAY be my biggest issues at this point. I took high dose, multiple abx for 3 years. I took probiotics, but I only did what I could afford. I don't have a lot of GI discomfort, but I've developed a weird throat clearing, where it feels like I have a lot of phlegm but it won't clear, usually after I eat. I clear my throat like nuts and drive myself and everyone around me crazy with the "Heh Hems".
Detox is something I'm not sure how to do 100% without help, and I cannot see a Dr. at this point in time. I drink green tea, do 3-4 coffee enemas /week, take Chlorella before meals and that is it right now. I wish I could do a series of IV's but I just cannot afford it. Even if I could I'd spend the money fixing my teeth that have fallen apart with this.
 
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
 
lymeboy, I lose my voice with PR. I wonder if your phlegm is the same thing. Another thing you can use to detox is cilantro. You need about 1/4 a cup of it though.

I was extremely anxious and irritable on albendazole and alinia. I didn't make the connection.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Lifting light weights (Burrascano) is cheap and it's by far the most beneficial form of detox I know. I just lift some tiny weights while I watch TV. Within 10 or 15 minutes I feel so much better. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but it works like clockwork. Also, exercising Burrascano's way kills lyme. It knocks my lyme into remission. You can also use lemon water to detox.

I get the eh, hems too. I think they are proto like Nefferdun said. If you get them right after you eat something with fat in it, there's your answer.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
gale-what do you think of this?

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/3/32994?#000002
 
Posted by Nancy L (Member # 42733) on :
 
Thank you catgirl.

I looked at the symptom list for several of the parasites, and think the 2 B's do not apply, but some of the lesser known ones, maybe.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome Nancy. Have you checked out humaworm's symptom list? It's a good one.

https://humaworm.com/symptoms.html
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Greta, how are you doing, are you okay? Did you start doing parasite meds yet? I forgot that you were already doing salt/c. I couldn't do salt/c while on one of the parasite meds (hurt my kidneys).
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi Catgirl,

I am going OK. I took your advice regarding the antiparasites.

I decided not to do them while I am on abx.

I don't want to stress my liver or kidneys.

I am still doing salt/c. I ramped down for a while, but am ramping up again.

Did anyone else have a bad week "after" the full moon?

I am beginning to think I may have PR. Does it have a cycle?

How are you doing Catgirl?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm glad you're hanging in there. :) Lyme and co infections are a lot to deal with. It's tough to do heavy duty abx and treat parasites at the same time. People do it, but I'm a bit more conservative treating everything (lightweight).

I'm doing better. Starting to figure out what works for me as far as proto goes. Diet is really helping (eating tons more food though since it's mostly veganish). I'm still chipping away at parasites & heavy metals. It's a never ending battle, but the more I kill, the better I feel. And the more metals I get rid of the better I feel too.

Everything started to flare the week after the full moon, but that may be part of proto, or parasites in general. When I cut fat and animal protein though, my babs, bart and lyme symptoms diminished (so worth it to feel better). So my week after turned out to be good. I am not sure about it having a cycle.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ip,

Sorry, have been off line for a while since my computer crashed. To answer your question, I would follow up with some antiparasitic herbs and maybe low dose salt/c to make sure the pills hit all of the parasites and eggs.

Gael
 
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
 
I had a dark field live blood analyis again a few days ago. And there it was... some kind of nematode.

I was given Clarkia from my doc... a tincture based on Hulda Clarks detox protocol. I started with the recommened 15 drops and it gave me the worst head ache that 4 days later continues but not so bad today. Coffee enemas are helping.

I stopped taking Clarkia. Am I a whimp and should I tough this out and continue? Im thinking if i take that stuff again I'll start at 4 drops.

any opinions?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I can't deal with headaches.

The herxes can be tough. I would try using less drops and work up slowly. Remember to take more binders than usual.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Carmen,

you don't have to "hit yourself over the head" so to speak with doing too much. I would take a break and let the headache calm down. It's a herx symptom.

Then I would start at a lower dose and ramp up slowly. Pace not race is the motto for salt/c and I am sure could apply to other protocols.

Also, warm water enemas would be good to get the toxins and dead and dying parasites out of the lower colon.

Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
 
I have been doing coffee enemas, they get rid of the headaches, and I'm hoping the buggers don't like coffee much either. [Wink]

Thanks.

I'm going to start again next week with 4 drops Clarkia after I receive my structured water device and change out the fluids in my body with structured water. I think this may help with detox. I'm hoping anyway.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Carmen, yes, ramp up slowly on the Clarkia.

I'm assuming it had black walnut, Wormwood and clove in it, as well as others?

Those herbs are broad spectrum, and 15 drops could be killing more parasites than your body is able to detox.

Also, helminths/nematodes have concentrations of heavy metals in their bodies, so when they die, those metals are released.

I tend to do a warm water enema with salt added, before I do my coffee enema.

The saline water gets most eeverything out, which I hope, increases absorption of the coffee, and enables me to retain it longer.

I have also tried several herbals, and you are definitely using the right combo with the Clarkia.

I find sea salt and C really flushes the parasites out.

It is disgusting.
 
Posted by Leeintn (Member # 25999) on :
 
Thanks catgirl.... I'm not able to go through all the thread so could someone tell me Dr K's anti parasite protocol using meds? I'm currently taking ivermetcin... I am seeing my doc soon and would like to have the info w/me
Thanks [Smile]
 
Posted by Leeintn (Member # 25999) on :
 
PS....I found this on the internet...not Dr K's site....

Biltricide 600 mg 2 3 times a day for two days

Ivermectin 12 mg 1 four times a day for 14 days-take at same time as Pyrantel Pamoate

Pyrantel Pamoate 1000 mg 1 per day at bedtime for
14 days - take at same time as Ivermectin

albenza 200mg (after completing 14 days on Ivermectin and Pyrantel) 2 tablets twice per day for 14 days

alinia 500 mg (after completing Albenza) 2 twice per day for 14 days

Thanks:)
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
It's that time again (full moon coming up). I am already feeling it. How is everyone doing?

I've been having a tough time lately with the metals. The metal dump has been so horrible that I've had to back down treating the bugs. I'm treating, but at a much slower pace now. I think less is best.

Hang in there parasite warriors!
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Just thought I'd share. My LLMD told me that quinine hits proto.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Mlg! Have you tried it yet?
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Yes. My doc has me on quinine and clyndamyacin with heparin and herbs. I have been at about 80-90% the last few months. But clynda by itself doesn't seem to hit proto where as quinine by itself does hit proto. My LLMD confirmed this.
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
I need to revisit treating for parasites.

For Salt/C - at what dose does one start seeing effects - ie dead things!

Clove (capsules?). Do they burn sensitive "innards"? Aftertaste?

Thanks.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi Susan [Smile]

I take clove capsules with a meal.

I don't find they bother me.

I started noticing "visual" affirmations at 1 tsp of sea salt and 1 tsp of powdered C. (Buffered is easier on the stomach).

At 2 teaspoons of each it was mass exodus and I started seeing flukes. Dead and alive.

It was so disgusting I have ramped down to 1 teaspoon of each again.

I'm chicken, I guess.

I make my salt C in a liter of water with a few drops stevia and a squirt of lime juice, or a splash of dark cherry juice, and drink it throughout the day.

Found it easier on my innard to make the drink that to take the salt/C whole in powdered form.

Good luck [Smile]
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
What on earth are strongaloides (sp?).

Anyone have these and what symptoms did you notice from them?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Greta,

Strongyloides are roundworms and are very common. Google roundworms, symptoms and images. I am guessing with the exodus you have been seeing that this is one of your infections. I also had a very bad infection with this parasite left undiagnosed for yrs.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Gael-thank you [Smile]

I've had anemia, asthma and allergies since I was a kid.

If the 3 "A"'s don't scream parasites, I don't know what does. Haha.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
You're very welcome. I had SEVERE asthma for over 40 yrs. Got rid of it treating parasites. They are commonly found in the lungs.

They are very dangerous when left untreated, and suspect many on this board are infected. Roundworms lay 200,000 eggs a day and that's why maintenance for this infection should be lifetime.

If just one egg is left over the cycle will start all over again. Allergies and anemia are also on the list for this parasite. Keep pushing forward in your treatment. You areon the right track.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mlg:
Yes. My doc has me on quinine and clyndamyacin with heparin and herbs. I have been at about 80-90% the last few months. But clynda by itself doesn't seem to hit proto where as quinine by itself does hit proto. My LLMD confirmed this.

Awesome Mlg, thank you!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi All,

How is everyone doing?

Gael, aside from Salt/C, which abx antihelminth helped for strongoloidyes. (sp?).

Does anyone else use the disposable PVC enema tips for their enemas? The place I normally purchase them from is sold out, and the sellers on Amazon don't ship to my area.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I started with Parastroy, then added Hanna Kroeger Wormwood combo, Super Digestaway by Soloray (also antiparasitic, extra cloves, coconut oil, coconut water and Kefir.

I did take the salt/c dose up to 20gms a day (4tsp in divided doses through the day) with extra water.I am now on a maintenance of about 5-10 gms a day. Ramping up all the above slowly as to tolerance.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Thanks Gael [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome Greta. Hope it helps you. Keep us posted. FULL MOON ALERT. Coming this Tues Dec 17th. Hope everyone has a smoother ride than last mos.

Gael
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
I just realized that I didn't have a bad time over full moon!

I had been bracing for a flare, but didn't notice any.

I don't see any activity on this thread, so it must not have been too bad for most.
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
For some reason, the full moons don't all seem to be equal.

October was extremely rough (horrid); November was bad, but not as bad, but this month came and went without a problem.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
TNT-hmmm...now that you mention it...you're right. This full moon went by smoothly, compared to the last two.

Yes. November was horrid! Haha.

I've started back up on the black walnut and Wormwood tinctures again.

I really do feel better while taking them. I stopped for a while because I wanted to see how my body reacted to the IV abx. Didn't want to stress my liver.

Just a run through of what I'm doing parasite-wise

-mimosa pudica (1/2 tsp. in protein shake)

-black walnut/Wormwood/CSA/Red Root/GSE in pomagranate juice twice daily

-Clove capsules

-1 teaspoon sea salt, 1 teaspoon vitamin C daily.

-Apples. Pectin is a good binder.

-Monolaurin (Lauricidin)(for Candida and antiviral)

-Magnesium malate (for binding aluminum)

-L-Ornithine (for detoxing ammonia)

-Additional fiber in the form of FiberLean powder.

-Warm sea salt water enema, followed by an organic coffee enema

I have a timer that dings every two hours to remember.

Next week adding in Boluoke, to break fibrin.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi Parasite Warriors,

I have an unusual coinfection/parasite symptom.

Whatever it is is susceptible to A-BAB and CSA.

Here is the thread here I just posted, with the description.

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/127313

It is really unsightly, and I am putting real aloe Vera on my face for now which is soothing.

I don't know if this is proto, parasite, HGE anaplasma etc.

Please help. I feel very unsightly. I just want to know what this is.

Every 20 days for eight months so far, but this time is by far the worst.
 
Posted by j77 (Member # 42716) on :
 
Starting my first anti-parasite regimen in a few days, seeking some abx advice.

I will be doing what looks to be a Dr. K'ish protocol: 2 days of Biltricide, followed by 2 weeks of Ivermectin (Rx Version)/Pyrantel, then Albenza, then Diflucan. My Dr. F test indicated Bart and Proto.... my historical symptoms align to Proto quite closely, so I am expecting that I will hit something. Been on several ABX combos for 4 months now since I started Lyme treatment. I am set to wrap up a Mepron, Bactrim & Zith combo in the next 48 hours.

*My question and advice request is whether or not I should take some sort of easily tolerated antibiotic to deal with any bacterial release/proliferation issues that could occur as a result of the new parasite drugs?

I have amoxicillin, mino, zith, bactrim and tindimax on hand. No doxy, though I believe my llmd would write me a new script if it made sense to do so.

Thanks!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Greta, I wish I could help (not sure). It does sound like parasites though (rashes are common).

j77, I wouldn't take any abx (just me). These meds are very strong. I think it's better to be safe than sorry (JMO). What you will need though is binders.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
j77, I would not add anymore ABX to your mix. Instead, you will want to be sure you are taking binders to help you detox to get rid of the toxins and heavy metals that will be released.

Many here do coffee enemas. Another few things that might help are diatomaceous earth (FOOD GRADE), chlorella, pecta sol c, charcoal, and I'm sure others will chime in with their favorite binders. Good luck to you!
 
Posted by j77 (Member # 42716) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl & dbpei. I will look into the binders. I do have a bunch of chlorella in the pantry I picked up but never used. Perhaps it will get used after all!

To be clear on the abx, I am not slated to be on any after tomorrow. To clarify what I think I am hearing (reading) in your posts, are you saying that I shouldn't take any antibiotic( even a low-dose mild one like doxy) during the parasite protocol?

Some of the comments in earlier pages of this wonderfully informative thread about 'bacteria mop up' requirements as a result of the parasites releasing the junk when they die..... were the catalyst for my question. In case that context helps any.

Cheers!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi J77,

That is wonderfully exciting about your parasite protocol.

I am looking forward to doing a parasite cleanse with the heavy hitters prescription meds after I get the bacterial load down.

I am a firm believer that a great way to help detox is via nutrition.

Apple pectin is a good binder. But instead of pills, what about some delicious organic apples, skin on, dipped in pumpkin seed butter?

(pumpkin seed butter is anti-microfilarial).

Shredded whole beets, sauted in a pan with coconut oil and lemon juice? (Beets are anti-spirochetal, coconut oil has caprylic acid which is anti-fungus, and lemon juice alkalines).

Asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower, brussel sprouts help increase glutathione production in our livers.

Add some fresh minced garlic to the above for an anti-viral boost.

Avocado has a terrific amount of fiber, good fats, and magnesium and potassium.

Chlorella is good. I have read it needs to be taken away from prescription meds or other pills.

I have a bottle of chlorella myself...the timing of taking it is what keeps balling me up. Haha.

Anyways, good luck. I can't wait to hear about the parasite purging [Smile]

Greta
 
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
 
Beets are anti- spirochetal? Hmmm...maybe its not the colloidal silver doing the job after all.. I eat so dang many beets... wouldnt it be great just to grow our own medicine. I have a frige packed with beets.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Okay I understand. Binders will help you to deal with the toxins, but you are concerned about the microbes/bacteria. No worries because one of the meds is an abx (alinia), so it will hit the bacteria/microbes for you.

Also, not taking any additional abx while doing this treatment protocol will help you and your doc narrow down which meds help you the most (proto), as well as which bugs may be affecting you, so I wouldn't add anything else to the mix.

Since you have some proto symptoms, you might also want to avoid lots of fats and oils while on albenza (and in general). I know it says otherwise on the pharmacy info, but with this bug, fats will grow more biofilms which will also protect all the other bugs and co infections you carry, which in turn can affect your progress treating.

I ate low fat/arginine and just had a small amount with albenza (my fish oil or evening primrose, or a few chips). It still worked quite well.

Detoxing is even more necessary while doing all of this (lemon water, exercise, alkaline diet (greens), etc), and plenty of water. Be prepared to take your binders more than once a day, and away from meds/herbs/supplements.
 
Posted by j77 (Member # 42716) on :
 
after reading so much commentary about the moon cycle's relevance to parasites... does it make sense (or matter at all) to start an anti-parasite protocol closer to the full moon?
I believe it's close to a new moon right now.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The full moon is two weeks away on Jan 16th. Some of these parasites (roundworms) are laying 200,000 eggs a day. If it were me, I would start hitting them now. Just my personal, opinion and what I would do.

Keep us posted and good luck,

Gael
 
Posted by 2doggies (Member # 33118) on :
 
Hi,

Anybody else here still doing Kerri Rivera's protocol for themselves (adult) for Lyme, co-infections, and parasites? I have been in treatment with Dr. K for two years and while I am better, I have not seen the improvements I thought I would see after 2 years (and A LOT of money). Thinking of trying Kerri's protocol. I know I have parasites and I have been on MMS enemas for a year, but not oral MMS yet.

Would appreciate any feedback.

Thank you,
~k
 
Posted by anuta (Member # 22646) on :
 
I'm doing baby bottle MMS protocol. It has been a few months on and off and I'm up to 13 drops per day.

Herx is big, but I'm also doing photon treatment on top of that. But there is also improvements.

Since on this regimen, I'm testing negative for any other killers meds or herbs (energetic tests), meaning the on-going treatment is sufficient to treat the pathogen. I sleep better, I also stopped testing for adrenal and thyroid support.

My outstanding problem is blood-born parasites (most probably protomyxzoa and co). The rest of the coinfections like Borrelia, Babesia, Bartonella, Ehrlichia, Anaplasma, Mycoplasma, Brucella went dormant with photon treatment.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Article on toxoplasmosis

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8664249/Cat-parasite-linked-to-brain-cancer.html
 
Posted by 2doggies (Member # 33118) on :
 
Hi anuta,

Did you stop all antioxidants, magnesium, etc. as suggested in the book. That is what concerns me a little bit as well as stopping my Lyme cocktail. I know the MMS is supposed to be potent, and I did get wicked die off the few times I started taking it orally, but it still feels a little scary to go off on my own again and stop most everything else I am on.

Thanks!!
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Hey 2doggies,

I too have been seeing Dr. K for two years with less than positive results and spending a fortune. I am going through the rounds of parasite medicines again. If it doesn't work out this time I am switching to salt/C. I KNOW parasites r an issue, I just wish someone could tell me which ones so I didn't feel like I was randomly taking heavy meds hit or miss.

Please keep in touch
 
Posted by 2doggies (Member # 33118) on :
 
Hi truesun,

Could you PM me? Would love to discuss this more if you are up for it.

Thanks,
~~~
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
This full moon seams very weak. I've had the best sleep in a real long time the past few nights. (knock on wood)with improvements in other areas as well.

Anyone else notice anything different?

gmb
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
gmb,

This full moon is referred to as a mimi moon. The smallest of 2014 because it is furthest from the planet. You can google it for some interesting facts. I noticed it also. Glad to hear of your improvements.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Brnging this back up for Ema to view.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
bump.
 
Posted by girl (Member # 18022) on :
 
This is random but I just recently came across this. http://www.nothing-is-incurable.com/2012/01/dr-dietrich-klinghardt-parasites-cause.html

Can someone guide me on the best way to treat parasites for an "introductory" type treatment? I was thinking about this:

http://www.risingsunhealth.com/Old_Amish_Parabegone_Parasite_Dewormer_Xtra_p/236.htm

Also considering zapping and/or salt C but really not sure about the type of C I should get as I have methylation issues,and so I'm not sure if this comes into play about certain vit. C's being bad, etc.

What do you guys think? Any help appreciated.

I'm pretty sure I have parasites because I've seen some things after colonics and I'm pretty sure it needs to be addressed. Thanks!!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I like the combo of Parastroy and salt/c. Packs a powerful punch. Salt dehydrates the parasites and puts them into osmotic shock. I also added extra cloves (kills eggs) coconut water, coconut oil and kefir/yogurt.

You would benefit from the salt/c Plus book that you can order from Amazon. I buy Real Salt (sea salt) and Ester C powder with bioflavonoids (American Health) from Vitacost. Also Parastroy and clove caps from Vitacost.

When doing salt/c, ramping up slowly is important. 1/4tsp each salt and C in a glass of water and extra water is good to start. You don't have to gulp it down, you can sip it through the day. Hope this helps you get started.

Gael
 
Posted by girl (Member # 18022) on :
 
Thanks so much, Gael. I'll get the book! Didn't realize there was one. Thanks so much!! I'm all for some salt. ...

Do any of you guys do colonics to go along with?
 
Posted by girl (Member # 18022) on :
 
Is this the book?

http://www.amazon.com/Salt-Plus-Protocol-Lyme-Infection/dp/1463575483/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390859962&sr=8-1&keywords=salt+c+protocol
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Yes, that's the book. I did both colonics and warm water enemas to release dead and dying toxins and parasites.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by girl (Member # 18022) on :
 
Sure will! Thanks!!

Do any of you ingest a source of potassium to try and keep a balance with all the salt -or is that what the coconut water is for Gael?

I drink a lot of coconut kefir so maybe that will help.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Coconut water is high in potassium and other vitamins and minerals. Great for balancing electrolytes. I did/do both the coconut water and kefir. The coconut water is best for balancing the electrolytes though.

Gael
 
Posted by girl (Member # 18022) on :
 
Do you ever do "coconut water kefir?" Love!

I bet the parasites hate that kefir.

Also, do you guys suggest any type of stool test first to identify, so we'd know perhaps what's coming out once they get killed?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
I have tried making kefir water... a few times, haha. I must admit... my fault on forgetting the bottles were on top of the fridge...ooops.

The water was too sweet for me.

The next time around, (a sucker for punishment), I tried honey. Didn't work. Killed the grains.

Then the third time, I tried half juice half water, this was OK, still a bit too sweet for me, tried less juice, and starved the grains.

Gave up. haha.

In my opinion, stool tests are useless, unless you are using a specialty lab. And in that case, I feel they would be good for bacteria only, not so much for parasites.

I didn't see much in the way of intestinal parasites until I added in salt/C. I use Real Salt and Kirkmann brand Buffered powdered vitamin C.

I started out at 1/4 tsp. of each in a glass of water and worked up from there.

The salt/C combined with black walnut/wormwood/cloves (hanna kroeger, hulda clark, etc) REALLY REALLY gets them out!

Any basic 'parasite cleanse kit' is good to start with, as long as it has those 3 ingredients at least.

Eating lots of vegetables, and good fruits and drinking filtered water, probiotics, kefir etc is good as well.

I also do salt water enemas and coffee enemas if I am feeling toxic.

When you do the salt/C and you do an enema, you will see a lot of worms in the toilet afterwards.

When you start hitting the intestinal parasites, you will start to see roundworms and super small clumps of pinworms (look like miniscule see-thru tiny tiny short rice noodles) and things that look like cherry or blueberry skins in the toilet. Also things that look like spoonfuls of red caviar, spoonfuls of tapioca (I think that is yeast), and other strange things like rice grains. Also things that are curled up like bits of tree bark or twigs and sticks.

It is absolutely disgusting and will gross you out but keep going, these things are better out than in, IMO.

[Smile]
 
Posted by girl (Member # 18022) on :
 
oh, good! I would love to see it, haha.. I've seen *something* what I think may be eggs? in the toilet after a colonic. There is something but I'm not sure what it is. I thought it might just be poo remnants but then thought parasites because I keep seeing it over and over and there are thousands of it, whatever it is, the poo sinks to the bottom and these just float around and they aren't really brown, they're rather clearish. I do small amounts of celtic sea salt in water once a day as it is, so perhaps that's doing something?

As far as the coconut kefir I use fresh young thai coconuts because they have just enough sugar to ferment the good bacteria without having to use extra sugar and it's enough to feed the good bacteria. I use a "kefir starter" that has 6 strains of the beneficial yeast and bacteria. I haven't tried the water kefir grains yet. I know the grains have got a lot more strains of the good guys but I figured I would rather control what strains are going into the water first. (while I try and establish some good bacteria)

The kefir turns out sour and I love it. It's so yummy. I get my coconuts from a local Asian market.
 
Posted by girl (Member # 18022) on :
 
How soon after starting salt/C should I expect bugs to come out? I'm ready to get started.

I also would like to know if you guys think it would be best to start the day before a colonic, or perhaps a few days before, or even the day after a colonic once the colon is clear?

I am just so intrigued by this. The lady I spoke with regarding testing said that 90% of people come up positive for parasites.

I am hoping that treating them will help heal my leaky gut.
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
Just wondering if anyone else is having a very bad time? The new moon is the only thing I can put my finger on as to why.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
TNT.

What are you experiencing symptom wise? Are you doing enemas to release dead and dying toxins and parasites?

Everyone is at a different phase in healing and may not have the same experience. Are you on pharma meds or alternatives? Last question is, have you seen any parasites exit?

Gael
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
Hi Gael,

I'm not doing any antiparasiticals at the moment. Doc wants me to do some type of low dose babs treatment, but have not started yet. And not sure if now is a safe time.

No coffee enemas for a couple weeks. Have been wanting to, but BM is looser again. No strange things in the bowl-just the usual sediment-y half formed mush. Oh, and my gas has smelled really funny, almost like sauerkraut since I took the lavender oil. But I seem to be extra sensitive in this way to what I put in me.

My appetite came back a little today, whereas it had been almost nonexistent. I don't know why. It never stays long though.

I did notice that it seems my breathing is more labored upon exertion since the full moon. Tonight in the oxygen chamber I had a noticeable difficulty getting a deep breath (you would think with the oxygen it would have been easier but it wasn't).

But slight breathing issues are normal now, especially when things "flare" like this. It always coincides with more pain in body-muscles, bones, face, hips; My joints start to click worse, and I feel like I'm in a compactor. And circulation gets worse. Coordination gets worse (particularly in my legs like walking).

It sure seems like babs or parasites. I just don't want to release anything else if I do a Rx babs med. But I should be covered somewhat-I'm on 250 mg Cipro 2x daily, 1/2 SS Bactrim 2x daily, and 150 mg Omnicef 2x daily. Need to test for heavy metals, but not sure if this will get done with this going on. I'm a bit scared about a DMSA challenge making things worse anyways.

Brain battery just died. It always does this to me when I try to sort, list, or figure it out. I would give you a rundown but my brain won't hold out, and it would be very long.

The only thing that has helped me lately is when I started the Cipro beginning of Dec.
 
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
 
Yeap this New Moon on Jan 30th is suppose to be a big one.

glm1111, I'm here. I'm going to start from page one and take notes just like I told you in another thread.

Now I know why it is so overwhelming for those considering rife to go to that thread and try to decide where to go and what to do. I get it!!!!

I will find a way to incorporate my rife machine into helping with this process. Let the deworming begin.

Do I start with a vet? [shake]

Pam
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Hi Everyone, I don't post much. I'm sick a great deal and only post things that I feel are important.

I have recently been hitting parasites very hard. I ended up in the hospital four times since the end of September. My lungs felt as if they were crushing and I was having a very hard time breathing. They put me on IV Rocephin and IV Zithro for an extended period. In the past, these helped. Not his time. I have had elevated Eosinophils in the past and other evidence of parasites.

I took Ivermectin with no benefit. Then I took Albendazole and had LARGE parasites exit along with many large hard yellow eggs after a time. I also have filarial worms exiting. FOR ANYONE who hasn't watch Hulda Clark's video on youtube on how to identify parasites in a toilet, it was SOOO helpful. I would have never been able to identify the filarial worms without it.

I KNOW I have at least two types of parasites but I believe I have more. Here is the Bad news. According to CDC and others you cannot kill the adult filarial worms. The medicine is more to make you not contagious. That is the beauty of Salt/C and why I believe GLM111 is an angel here. Even Hulda seems stumped in the video by this parasite some even though she discusses it in her book she is NOT so positive or hopeful on the video.

I really think SALT/C consistently is the one chance we have. I am using the Pharmas with a mass exodus BUT my lungs are still in crisis and I am still suffering greatly. I am using everything I can tolerate. The Albenza had helped in two weeks and then I had stopped. I will not be stopping again for awhile. I guess you can stay on it for up to 6 months. I am using Salt/C scale up at the same time.

For years I treated Lyme and not parasties. It was a mistake FOR ME. I never believed it nor did a DR ever tell me until Dr. K. Now I know and just wonder if I will win the battle.

Doctors are REALLY ignorant here. I literally have samples in bottles and pictures to take to regular Dr. with me because of ignorance.

Also, look for rashes. I had worms come to the skin. Pretty sick.

I hope this helps at least one person. And thanks GLM111. You keep me going more than you can ever know.

God Bless,
Truesun
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Truesun! Gael, Tammy and a few others convinced me that the parasite issue was real as well. Gael IS truly an angel (Tammy too).

Good for you for pushing forward and treating. IMO, it took me a lifetime to acquire them, and it will take some time to make a dent. I'm with you on the salt/c. I feel much better when I take it.

Keep up the good work, and thank you for inspiring us tonight! We need it so close to the full moon (parasites reproducing). :)
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Trusun,

Your welcome for any help I have been able to give you. Just passing it on from my research and what I have learned personally. Salt/c and antparasiic herbs have saved me life. Coconut water is also helpful when doing salt/c because it helps balance electrolytes.

If the herxing gets too hard, back down until it stops and then resume. Salt/c and antiparasitic herbs saved my life. According to Hulda Clark, cloves kilss the eggs. I use Hanna Kroeger and buy it from Vitacost.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Also want to thank Catgirl for all of the valuable info you add here to help others in this difficult journey. Thanks for your help. We need all that we can get.

Gael
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Gael and Catgirl, Great to hear from you.

I ordered the clove capsules already and really believe, after reading many, many things, that this is a necessary components. I Literally had thousands of eggs pass. I have pictures and one of these days I will make a blog or something. I might work on that while I am laid up. Much of this is hard to believe until you actually see it.

I know many people don't realize what they are looking at or don't want to look for them. I get that but I have come so far I have specimen in jars, etc. I already have the Salt/C plus book. I read it over and over again because of the brain fog.

I am also drinking Apple Cider Vinegar several times a day - the good kind. Also throwing in caster oil once in a while.

I am not overdoing it and I am listening to my body as the book says but I am going to rotate and get at them from every route. I think that is what it takes. They seem to have incredible survival ability.

One last thing for now. Since treating, I already have had a virus flair up from the past. Dr. K talks about this. That parasites harbor and release bacteria and viruses. The salt/C I'm taking doesn't seem to be handling the virus probably because I am just now building up. Just keep this in mind if you are going to try this. Old things to seem to pop up when you go after these monsters.

Truesun
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Truesun,

Thanks for the info on adult filarial worms.
An experiment that I did last year with good results. (I saw it posted here and I believe another article).
Zithromax (macroglide) + Albenza + Paragone + Colonics for 2-5 days. Five times cycles. I had extreme brain clearness that lasted for a while. Brain has cleared and most of my other symptoms doing anti-parasitics and anti-malarials with heparin. Plus rotating herbs like crypto and art.
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Hi Everyone...

I'm new to the thread and haven't done any parasite treating yet (just not sure if I have them yet). I have a question which I hope isn't too much info [Smile]

Does anybody know if there is any significance in seeing lots of tiny dark spots/flecks in your stool or on the toilet paper?

thanks---d
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Hi dmarie724,
I am not one of the experts here but if you look up Dr. Hulda Clark's video on youtube.com title -roughly- how to identify parasites in your toilet she actually shows you the different parasites. There are four parts. In one she shows the tiny dark spots/flecks and says they are young liver flukes which means you have adult liver flukes in there. Please find the video and please talk to your Dr. I take collections of mine in clear jars and take them to the Drs. with me so there is no doubts and reservations about how to treat.
I am too sick to be embarrassed or to care.
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Hi Truesun...

Mine are SO small it looks like pepper...does that sound right? That's the best way I can describe it...
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dark spots/flecks that look like pepper would be the young liver flukes Truesun is describing.

Gael
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Gael,
I have a question for you. Did you know that you had filarial worms? If yes how did diagnose? I know I have them and I am scared. Went to primary today and he refilled scripts and kind of wished me luck. I have been reading and it says you don't get rid of adults. It can take six years for them to die and you are really only treating to kill young.

My lungs are still crushing me and I'm a little freaked out. We r comboing the ivermectin and albendazole and I am doing the Salt/C Did four doses today, I may start five tomorrow.

Do you mind repeating how long it took your lungs to relieve? Reading about filarial worms freaked me out, sorry. I tried to go through prior posts, way to many.

Truesun
 
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
 
My doctor wants me to do a parasite stool sample this week.

Would it be best to do it the night before a full moon or does it not matter?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Trueson,

I was taking strong herbs for the other coinfections and Lyme that contained a lot of wormwood for six mos.

It wasn't until I started the salt/c that I had a mass exodus of parasites. Along with everything pictured on www.lymephotos.com, I also had very large roundworms(20") exit and they were the adults.

The salt/c should kill the adults and have for me, Can't remember exactly when the wheezing and tightness in my chest left, but it def eased up and left when the worms started leaving.

Four times a day of salt/c along with the pharma meds you are taking might be too much. How much salt/c are you taking in total per day?

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
canefan,

doing it the night before a full moon when they are active would be a good idea. I only did one stool test and it was negative even tho I was loaded with parasites.

In all fairness, my doctor wanted me to repeat it 2 more times, but I didn't. Forgot to add, that I was already seeing worms exiting. Might be a good idea for you to do a total of three tests.

I forget, did you ever try salt/c?

Gael
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
canefan 17,
I heard from a top-notch LLMD that Metametrix labs was the best stool test around about 1.5 years ago.

I also hear that they stool test don't always pick up parasites.

Good Luck,
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Gael,

I am using 4 grams of Salt and 4 grams of C. One gram of each every time. Honestly, if my chest would let up I wouldn't be feeling that bad. I am having a mass exodus with tons of those sesame seeds. Its the filaria worms I am most concerned about. I guess they have found no meds to kill them and Hulda Clark says in her video she found no way to kill the adults. The adults live six years. I hope the salt can penetrate them.

Do you remember what level of salt/C you got to before you saw results? The goal for me is to not have to take the meds and be able to use just salt/C but my chest is to bad to make the transition right now. I was hoping to get to a high enough level that I felt I could drop the meds.

Thanks Truesun
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Truesun,

The salt/c and antiparasitic herbs killed all of the adults and Filarial worms for me. I worked up to 20gms p/day in divided doses of 5mg 4x a day which is very high.

You are already experiencing a mass dieoff, so not sure what else you expect at this point. It can take several yrs to get rid of these types of parasite infections.

Some folks alternate between salt/c and antiparasitic herbs and pharma meds. Salt/c alone was not enough for me. PLEASE ramp up slowly with the salt/c and don't rush it.

Getting rid of these parasites is a step by step process, kinda like peeling and onion. If your chest is that tight, it could be a herx and if it were me, I would take a break and let that symptom calm down.

You are making progress from what you are reporting, so try and relax, and maybe do some warm water enemas to release some of the dead and dying toxins and parasites from the lower colon. Could help with the chest tightness as well. Hope this helps,

Gael
 
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
 
Ya I feel like getting tested is a waste of my time.

Hard to blame my LLMD though - he's not a parasitologist. He just needs some burden of proof if he were going to treat me for anything.


How many of you have taken Ivermectin?
 
Posted by canefan17 (Member # 22149) on :
 
Also - anytime I take Wormwood combo (wormwood, black walnut, cloves, etc)... I always start grinding my teeth/clinching my teeth & my OCD increases. I get real fidgety and can't stop moving.

I think this is part of why I stopped treating parasites. I felt it was irritating my CNS more than it was helping it.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
canefan,

the teeth grinding/clenching of teeth and getting fidgety are MAJOR symptoms of a parasite infection. I have had them all including escalating ocd and add. Believe this could be a herx for you.


Sounds like you were really hitting these suckers and they were reacting to the poison. You might want to reconsider the antiparasiyic herbs and adding low dose salt/c to the mix to get them to exit along with warm water enemas.

Always felt by what you were reporting that you had a parasite infection. Key is to go slow if you get that uncomfortable.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Gael you felt that canefan's symtom picture was more parasites than bart? interesting.

I just started Humaworm, 2 capsules one day, today 3....felt tongue twitchy (new) and increased neuropathy over scalp and teeth etc. I feel a little short of breath but nothing major, and some anxiety, but I am also taking Septra and Zith which hit bart.

I think Humaworm has wormwood in it, is that the same as artemesinin?
 
Posted by Ames (Member # 43292) on :
 
I just started parasite drugs. Any advice for die off or what kind of side effects can I expect. Tomorrow I start ivermectin and pyrantel - can't remember the rest of the name of it. It's the 5 drug protocol of dr k's. I'm nervous about the high dose especially of ivermectin - 48 mg a day and I'm under 100 pounds.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Hi everyone, I have nearly finished wading through this thread and am at present partway through a course of Hanna Kroeger wormwood combo, with one extra clove capsule per day.

In the past I have taken Vitaklenz (years ago) and Humaworm (no longer ship internationally), courses of Dr Clark's Store oil of oregano, Clarkia.

For my general treatment, I am on Cowden Support programme (over a year on it) and supportive supplements, probiotics, ACS200 silver in small quantities every other day and alternate between zeolite (Cowden's or ACZnano) and Biopure's Metalsweep (formerly Microsilica). I am also using the iMRS mat for eight minutes every other night. Some of the Cowden herbs and other supplements such as Pycnogenol also have anti-parasite qualities.

So far this is rather a punishing schedule and I have been in a pretty poor way, but then, I was in a poor way before I embarked on the iMRS to help me to detox, and the latest parasite and metal chelation attempts. I just needed to change my approach. I remember that one person with Lyme always had at the end of his/her post these words of wisdom:

'If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got.'

I am looking forward to joining in here, thanks.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
I also wanted to post a link to a lyme and parasite-friendly bread recipe that I have recently been making:

http://deliciouslyella.com/almond-quinoa-pumpkin-seed-bread/

The recipe says buckwheat or brown rice flour, but the original that I follow was the same quantity of quinoa flakes. I use whole quinoa because I can't get the flakes at the moment. I do put the whole quinoa in the blender (it doesn't alter it much!). I also add a little more water to the recipe because of using whole quinoa. This is a pretty low carb bread, without eggs, gluten, dairy, yeast, sugar or other allergens.

After you mix up the dry stuff and have left it to soak, the mixture looks very unpromising, but the finished result is rather yummy, i think.

For parasites, there are loads of pumpkin seeds in this loaf, as well as some flax and psyllium to help cleanse you whilst you are treating.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ames, some people do well on that dose, and some people need a lower dose (me). You will find your dose after you try it. As far as die off, I sometimes feel sick (putrid) when they are dying (after a few days on the meds). Remember to take binders away from everything. Also, coffee enemas really help to get the toxins and worms out of your body.

Ukcarry, awesome you are treating! Coffee enemas will help you feel better (great for detoxing--cleans the toxins out).
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
I'll be taking an ABX break in a few weeks to do another two rounds of Coartem. I have a second package of Parastroy I have been holding off taking since on a Rif/doxy/Plaquenil protocol since last fall. My first Parastroy package went OK last October with no noticeable difference.

Does anyone have any comments on taking Parastroy and Coartem together. My LLMD is cautious about taking any other ABX while on Coartem. Of course I'll be taking my normal supps and probiotics thru the two rounds of 5 days ON, 7 days OFF pulses.

comments?

Thanks

gmb
 
Posted by Ames (Member # 43292) on :
 
Cat girl, thank you:) I started with one 12 mg pill this morning and figure I will work up slowly over the course of a few days. I' already have a headache and am tired from one pill. Getting to 4 a day may be difficult. Need to try the coffee enemas- just a little afraid of them because of my pelvic floor issues.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Folks a Humaworm question... I am be owning very constipated on this stuff which is odd since it has senna in it. What do people do with this?
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Hi everyone--

I'm starting to realize and understand finally that I most likely do have parasites because of symptoms and everyone being so helpful giving me info.

Something happened this morning (that I realize has happened a few other times) and I wanted to see if this, too, could be caused by parasites. It seems so strange.

While I was laying in bed, I literally started feeling the sensation of the bed shaking (sort of subtle). Or maybe it felt like my body was sort of moving. Different from the typical inner-vibrations.

Has anyone felt this before? Parasites again?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Are you doing the cleanse that Humaworm suggests to take with Humaworm? Also, make sure you are drinking plenty of water when taking herbs. A warm water enema could be very helpful in releasing dead and dying toxins from the lower colon.

Salt/c was very helpful with keeping things moving and also parasites were leaving quicker. They can't stand the salt. The combo of the salt/c and herbs packs a bigger punch.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
P.S.

Artemesia has many different strains.

Artemesia Annua is an antimalarial, probably prescribed for babesia.

Artemesia Absinthum is usually the strain used in antiparasitic herbs.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
gmb,

Not sure about taking Parastroy with Coartem. I would check with your doc. On another note, one round of antiparasitics whether herbs or pharmas, is not nearly enough and tx has to be consistent. It can take several yrs to get rid of parasites.

Gael

[ 02-20-2014, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: glm1111 ]
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Thanks, Catgirl. I must say that I have been reading about coffee enemas for quite some time now, but have not yet plucked up the courage to try!

I have also considered colonics for years and would probably have given it a go if there was a local practitioner .

One thing that has always concerned me a bit was the suitability of enemas and colonics if you have a leaky gut.....does anyone know?
 
Posted by gmb (Member # 23562) on :
 
Gael,

Thanks for input. I know one round of Parastroy is not enough. That's why I purchase two kits the first time I tried it last Oct. I had little to no reaction to the first 21 day course, and yes I did include Salt/C at same time. I have been on Salt/C pretty much all year at (1)tsp 2x/day.

I have no serious parasite SX, just want to cover all bases in my overall co-infection treatment plan, and see if this is what is holding back Tx progress. I know Coartem is a "dirty" drug with many cross-reactions, as is Rifampin, so timing of my next dose needs serious consideration and risk/reward analysis.

Thanks again for your insite.

later

gmb

I'm not realy sure
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Question again: Humaworm says not to take probiotics while taking Humaworm. However, I am on abx with it and need to take probiotics. How do people handle that?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I missed that. Not sure why they say that unless the herbs kill the probiotics. I drank lots of kefir and ate yogurt with extra probiotics when taking herbs and still do.

Didn't interfere with killing the parasites, but I was also doing salt/c. I would stay on the probiotics if you are on abx. I always took probiotics with kefir and yogurt to make sure they got past the stomach acid.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ukcarry, I don't tolerate colonics very well (leaky gut) but the coffee enemas are no problem for me. I feel much better when I do them (worth it!). [Smile]

CD57, I take probitics whenever I use humaworm--not at the same time though (no issues).

[ 02-20-2014, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Thanks for the encouragement, Catgirl.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome. :)
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
This is fascinating (How parasites manipulate us):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26240297
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Funnily enough, i spotted that this programme was on and watched it last night. It was interesting, though we never found out for sure whether the presenter had visible evidence that his self-implanted tapeworms (via cysts) had been successfully killed and eradicated.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Wow. That was an interesting article Catgirl! Thanks for sharing. I must say, I can't imagine injecting myself with parasites for the sake of science!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl! I believe it. They are much more intelligent than we realize. Dr.K. always said that they control our emotions.

If this guy new what we knew about the damage they cause, I think he would think twice about ingesting anymore eggs!!

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Does anyone know what happened to Maya12?

Question re the parasite thinking in this, and the ILADs communities: can parasites actually BLOCK the other Lyme and co's treatments from being successful?

We treat me for 3 days for an infection (like bart), and seem to get some progress, and then it STOPs. I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, back in the thread. I need to get past this block.

On Humaworm, day 7. Other than clearing up of acne (YAY!) and one night of drenching sweats and a little burst of anxiety.....I have not seen any "activity".

My sx are encephalopathy/DP/DR, anxiety/wired/OCD, cycling teeth/jaw pain, eye pain, twtiching/crawling scalp and ears (my glasses actually move on my ears from the movement), hand tremors, drooling, stabbing pains in head, insomnia. I know parasites are likely not responsible for everything on here but probably blocking the other treatments from being effective.
 
Posted by SLML (Member # 42986) on :
 
CD57 - Thanks for posting on how you are doing with the Humaworm - I am curious to see how you do with it. Side note - are you taking antibiotics too? I am on antibiotics and considering adding in Humaworm at some point.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
yes I am on Zith and Septra.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Update: Day 7 of Humaworm, now extreme irritability with voices and lights and bad thoughts. Just took CSM as I can't do enemas (don't have that kind of time to devote to myself).
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Can you get a colonic? You are def herxng and killing these suckers, but releasing the dead and dying toxins from the lower colon will help a lot.

Forgive me if I asked you this before, but can you do salt/c? Just a low dose 1/4tsp each for 2 days,made them let go and caused a mass exodus.

Drinking lots of water when taking herbs is also important. Getting rid of the parasites will help to tx the other infections because the parasites hold onto and protect the bacteria.

Gael

[ 02-22-2014, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: glm1111 ]
 
Posted by SLML (Member # 42986) on :
 
CD57 - Sorry it seems to be making you feel so crummy. Sounds like it must be getting at some stuff. Also, thanks for getting back to me about if you were on antibiotics are not. I have humaworm on my to-do list but have been putting it off because I am on antibiotics and didn't know if people could combine them. Thanks for keeping us posted on your progress. :-)
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Good idea Gael as I am incredibly constipated. Ugh! I will see if I can get one.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

May be a good idea to hold off on the herbs until you can get cleaned out. Same thing with other meds. Anything you take will just sit in the colon and make you more symptomatic.

If you are on any pain meds and keep taking them while constipated it can be dangerous. What about the salt/c? It can help with constipation.

Gael
 
Posted by Carol in PA (Member # 5338) on :
 
Gael, have you seen this one?

[Big Grin]


http://assets.amuniversal.com/2b2b6bd0fca50130186b001dd8b71c47


Sorry, I know this is a serious thread, but I couldn't resist, haha.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Carol, thanks for the laugh. We all could use a little humor in our lives [Wink]

CD57, there is something I ordered from Biopure (through Greenandhealthy.com - cheaper!) that really helps to keep me 'cleaned out' and it also gently chelates heavy metals. It is called METAL SWEEP. It was formerly called microsilica.

I love this stuff. I take only 1/3 of what is suggested and it is amazing. Makes me feel much better.

I sprinkle it on a large potato chip or cracker in between meals once a day. I do not take it as suggested by mixing with water. But I do drink plenty of water throughout the day.

I know it is expensive, but the amount you get will last you months if you take it in the smaller dose I use. It is really effective. I hope this helps.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I Love humor and a good laugh. It has pulled me out of some dark places. BTW, Laughter is the best medicine since it stimulates the white blood cells and boosts the immune system.

Thanks for posting Carol!

Gael
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Cd 57 I would add sonething like grapefruit pectin or psyllium husk with water. Your symptons seem to be parasitic. Anti-malarials and anti-parasitics with heparin and herbs crypto rotate with art.
good luck
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Mig what antimalarials and antiparasitics have you taken with good results? I have tried Ivermectin (nothing), Alinia (nope, or maybe?), Tindamax (worked great for awhile), and Mepron (pulsed MWF 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off).

So weird.
 
Posted by Truesun (Member # 19735) on :
 
Hi Everyone,

Just a quick question. Does Salt/C treat Babesia? I have been pouring out parasites with no relief in my breathing. I think Babesia might be behind it. Please let me know if anyone has used it successfully for this or if I need to add something else.

Thanks Truesun
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The antiparasitic herbs plus Digestive enzymes (Super Digestaway by Soloray) helped me tremendously with breathing. It is suggested to take digestive enzymes even in between meals.(antiparasitic as well) Enzymes also helps kill mycoplasma.

I have seen other posters state that salt/c helped babs, but I would also add the herbs. Warm water enemas help.

Gael
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
CD57
I did 7-8 montgs straight of snti-malarials. Zithromax and mrpron. Detox withb juices, infrared sauna, pemf, etc. Albenza + zithromax + paragone with colinics 2-5 day cycle. Ivermectin with same b recipe as above. Alina had moderatively good results. Clindamyacin +quinine is also good.
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
hi everyone...so i know parasites can cause muscle twitching, but does anybody know how they cause it or why that happens?
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dmarie725:
hi everyone...so i know parasites can cause muscle twitching, but does anybody know how they cause it or why that happens?

I'm curious of this too, I get minor muscle twitching...and it comes and goes. I can have a good week with hardly no twitching, then a bad day where my eye twitches throughout the day.

I'm wondering if I should attack parasites. Can I do it while I'm on ABX? Is there an abx that goes after all parasites? Are there herbals I can buy from my local vitamin shoppe to get me going? How long do I treat?
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
I get eye twitches a lit too, but I always linked them with metals.
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Crap...

..what should I do first? Parasite detox or metal detox?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The parasites carry metals in their coats, so you can take something like chlorella to take care of the metals while you are doing parasite tx.

Also take something for candida such as probiotics, kefir and coconut oil since candida and parasites go hand in hand. Parasite tx has to be continuous and is not just a 1 mos deal. Extra cloves kill the eggs.

Gael
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
So does the twitching happen because of the metals the parasites carry? Or could it happen because they are creating magnesium deficiencies? My doctor told me to take regular Epsom salt baths to see if it helps with the twitching and it makes it less intense...doesn't stop it but reduces a little. So I wondered if maybe the parasites were creating deficiencies, which would cause twitching?
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
What all does wormwood rid the body of in regards to parasites if I take that with my babs tx?
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
It can't be related to magnesium deficiency for me because I take a wellabsorbed form of magnesium(mag. malate) twice daily.

The Hanna Kroeger combo seems to be doing a reasonable job at contolling candida. I have had to use the bathroom more since I have been on it, though haven't noticed obvious evidence of parasites (I know that many are microscopic anyway). I am using the HK capsules along with extra clove and when I complete 2 bottles of the Hanna K combination, I intend to keep the cloves and move onto Rascal, also by Hanna Kroeger. Will revisit the combination product after a gap to avoid using wormwood continuously for a long stretch.

The Hanna K doesn't seem to have affected my massive bloating and discomfort wearing a bra past midday: any ideas?
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Catgirl,

From your post on Feb. 20. I wonder if we all have most of the parasites. Some have higher loads and some have lower loads. Some have very active infection, some don't. (higher active infection more bugs smell your sweet blood and bite you).

If we lower the load and boost the immune system and our immune system will keep these infections in check...just thinking
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Mlg, I agree. [Smile]

As far as parasites manipulating us (link posted on Feb 20), I noticed several months ago that I didn't test well for anti parasitic stuff the week before the full moon (when they are most active). I think the bugs want to live and influence my energetic testing (just mazes me).

Their ability to affect us reminds me in some way of the movie, Avatar. There is a whole other universe going on inside us. And a whole other universe on the outside too (energy).

[ 03-03-2014, 01:47 AM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

Parasites are MASTERS at survival. It's a matter of strategy and outsmarting them

Example: when they wander outside the digestive track, drinking milk or eating cheese (which they love)baits them back in and then you have to hit them with antiparasitcs and or salt/c to kill them.


They have been around for a long time and have learned how to survive when attacked. It IS amazing.

Gael
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
I'm really becoming more and more interested in the topic of parasites as I learn more. From what I've learned, tons of people actually have parasites, even if they don't know it.

Why is it some people will develop actual physical symptoms and others won't at all and will never know??
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dmarie, I already answered this (or a version thereof) for you in the pm you sent me. Maybe my answer wasn't what you are looking for?

Western medicine hasn't really embraced the subject of parasites, so no money is being spent on WHY some people develop physical symptoms, much less if people even have parasites.

Conventional medicine considers the possibility of humans contracting parasites (especially in the US) extremely rare (ridiculous). They think parasites are mostly in third world countries only. That's what medical professionals learned from their text books and mentors, so that is all they know. They are stuck in their old belief system. That and the lab tests are pitifully inaccurate.

Are you treating yet?
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Hey Catgirl...

Sorry, your answer was very helpful I just think you were explaining how traditional medicine is terrible at diagnosing or even accepting that this is common. I was just curious as to why say 2 people have parasites, one may develop symptoms and the other may not (since apparently most people have parasites, but not everyone develops symptoms).

Just trying to understand better. I have not started treating yet. I have my doctor follow up later this week to discuss what to do. He will have my test results (though those don't really matter since most likely they will be negative even if I'm positive). We will be discussing empirical treatment and what to do.

My test was through Metametrix. I've heard all testing is flawed, but that this lab is at least better than a traditional hospital lab?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this thread up for the 184 guests here this evening to revue, in case anyone hasn't considered parasites as a problem in chronic Lyme.

Gael
 
Posted by MannaMe (Member # 33330) on :
 
Is anyone using DE for parasites?

When is the best time to take it? With meals or away from meals?

At bedtime or during the night when the parasites are active?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dmarie, not sure why one person develops symptoms and one does not (we are all different). I hope you start treating soon. [Smile]

MannaMe, It hits one celled parasites. It is a helpful tool in your arsenal to fight the battle. That said, I need more than this stuff. Parasite herbs & salt c combined work better on me (or parasite meds). DE is a good binder to take along with all of these things (but away from them).

I don't think it matters when you take it. I take it at least 2 hrs away from meds/supplements though.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ukcarry:


The Hanna K doesn't seem to have affected my massive bloating and discomfort wearing a bra past midday: any ideas?

I get this too (discomfort wearing a bra). I don't know what gets rid of it, but keep on treating.

Have you tried combining Hanna K (or any herbal product) with salt C yet? It made a difference for me as far as expelling parasites. The salt/c will help your adrenals and flush your system too.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glm1111:
Catgirl,

Parasites are MASTERS at survival. It's a matter of strategy and outsmarting them

Example: when they wander outside the digestive track, drinking milk or eating cheese (which they love)baits them back in and then you have to hit them with antiparasitcs and or salt/c to kill them.

They have been around for a long time and have learned how to survive when attacked. It IS amazing.

Gael

You are so right Gael! [Smile] I've baited them in with cheese or something sweet before and the herbal products work much better whenever I do this.

It's truly incredible what parasites will do to survive (just like us, they dodge whatever is trying to kill them).
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Hi Catgirl, I am not confident enough about my blood pressure, which has been spiking.....otherwise, I would consider trying some Salt/C.....funnily enough the Lymestrategies site was one of the first I became a member of when i was finally diagnosed.

I have a reasonable amount of Himalayan salt on my food. How much Salt/C do you take?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
I've read the bra irritation is a fungus/yeast/mycotoxin thing. As could be the bloating.

I read the post in here, "The salt/C and the parasites keep pouring out of me."

Yes, me too.

I stopped when I started a bunch of new prescription meds. Partly as I was worried about the new meds, partly because I could not believe the amount of 'things' constantly, for three months, non stop in the toilet.

Gael brought to my attention that doxy kills larvae filarials, so I am back onto salt/C today to get the parent filarials.

Yuck.

They're tenacious devils.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I understand (blood pressure).

Mine spikes sometimes too but sometimes it spikes even though I haven't taken any salt/c. I think in my case it's a POTS issue. Sometimes I take salt/c and it actually goes down.

I take anywhere from 1 to 4gms of each (salt and c) depending on if I'm on meds, and/or how many meds I'm on. The more stuff I'm on, the less I take (too much for the kidneys).
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
UKcarry-I started to feel results with 1/2 tsp sea salt and 1/2 tsp of buffered vitamin C.

I really saw results (yuck!) at 1 tsp of each, daily

I made it into a sports drink and sipped it throughout the day. (Squirt of lime juice and some stevia drops)

Drank coconut water, and filtered plain water in between.

I made it up to 2 tsp of each, but really, I think I could have even stayed at 1 tsp of each as I saw things in the toilet at that dose.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Thanks, Catgirl and GretaM. If I can keep the bp down, I may start a low dose.......i had a 24 hour bp cuff only a couple of week ago, so need to build up confidence again first!

Re bra discomfort, I have had it, to varying degrees, for a few years now, but it is particularly bad at the moment. Funnily enough, I didn't notice it as much when I was on antibiotics a few years ago, so maybe it isn't a yeast thing with me.......i do get some yeast issues, though .The HannaK wormwood seems to help yeast.

Tomorrow I will be moving on to Hanna K's Rascal (keeping the cloves)...... Does anyone else have experience of Rascal?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Greta, that makes sense (fungus/yeast/mycotoxins).

That's amazing how many parasites you are eliminating (right on)! Most people don't even know they have them.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Well, if I ate grains or twiggy things, I would assume they were undigested food bits, but I don't as I do not digest grains, seeds or legumes well.

So...

Yuck.

UK-Haven't tried Rascal-but I love Hanna K products. Looking forward to reading about your experience with Rascal. [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ukcarry, I've taken rascal and wormwood at the same time before (no issues), then binders in between to catch the toxins from the die off.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I know it's gross, but out is better than in.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
When I have given the wormwood a little break, I intend to combine the two as well, Catgirl, then perhaps do two weeks of Dr Clark's oil of oregano, as I haven't touched that for a while.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
About the bra discomfort. I have literally had parasites exit from both breasts in the form of scabs. This didn't happen until several yrs into the herbs and salt/c. I did have rashes come out from under my breasts first.

These parasites are insidious and have invaded all of the organs, brain, tissue and cns. That's why it is important to STAY on antiparasitics for a long time and do maintenance as Hulda Clark says FOREVER!.

Some of these parasites (roundworms) lay 200,000 eggs a day. If just one egg is left, the cycle will start all over again.

Gael
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
That's interesting, Gael. I was wondering about parasites with this symptom.

I used to get a lot of scabs under the scalp at the back of my head, but no longer. Now I keep getting scabs amongst the eczema patches across the top of my back. They bleed briefly, scab over, occasionally disappear, then reappear. Unfortunately, it's a hard area to examine closely yourself.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glm1111:
About the bra discomfort. I have literally had parasites exit from both breasts in the form of scabs. This didn't happen until several yrs into the herbs and salt/c. I did have rashes come out from under my breasts first.

These parasites are insidious and have invaded all of the organs, brain, tissue and cns. That's why it is important to STAY on antiparasitics for a long time and do maintenance as Hulda Clark says FOREVER!. Gael

Wow, Gael, you made my jaw drop! it blows my mind what these things can do (thank you for posting this)! It is truly inspiring to me when you tell us that this didn't happen to you until several years into salt/c and herbs! [Smile]

I'm sure it's too hard to for conventional medicine to fathom though. They are stuck on the evidence based medicine model (behind reality). It works for insurance companies, not most patients.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your Welcome Catgirl!

I am going to one up myself and tell you that I had three (3) decent sized fierce looking scabs emerge several mos ago where my boyfriend pulled a fully engorged tick off my arm in the late 70's. This is seven yrs after taking the herbs and salt/c everyday!. I was shocked to say the least!

It appears that the onion theory as in healing Lyme is like peeling all the layers of the infection back to it's origin is true.

Stay positive everyone and be persistent even when it gets a little rough. It will be worth it.

Hope this info helps with some insight for everyone.

Gael
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Goodness, Gael: that must have been a weird experience!

Did the boyfriend get ill from pulling the tick off you?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
He was bitten as bad as I was daily. He had a cabin in the woods, and back then no one knew about Lyme. I am sure he was infected at some point. He was always picking engorged ticks off of the dog. Nicest relationship and boyfriend I ever had, but turned out to be the deadliest.

Gael
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Hi guys...my MetaMetrix stool test for parasites came back negative. It's really discouraging because I was hoping for a for sure answer as to what's wrong. My doctor said we can still treat empirically. What do you think the chances are of parasites still being the issue even with these negative results? [Frown]
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
I restarted the salt/C a few weeks ago, saw them exiting and then did a stool test. I put a worm in the container and it still came back negative.

I was so surprised. And it was very discouraging. But i can see them, almost everyday. So that is my encouragement now.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Yes me too. I put the worms, the twiggy thing, and blood that was in a film of something in the container.

Was so happy.

Came back negative.
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Wow. Why are the stool tests so terrible??
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Dmarie-

I don't think they are all terrible, per say.

I am so surprised your results haven't come back yet.

Normal hospital stool c&s p&o take about a week.

I don't know much about the process now, but chemicals are added to the preserved stool mixture, one to break down fats, the other to break down cellulose, and then mixed for a set time. The slurry is then centrifuged.

A sample of what is left is put on a slide and examined.

From what I've gathered/understood with lyme brain, is parasites are mostly ID'd by their ova.

No ova. No parasites.

Metametrix may have a number you could phone to find out for certain [Smile]
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Hey Greta...

My results did come back, just got them today.

Negative.

My doc says we can try empirical treatment anyways because it may be a false negative.

I know it's common for false negatives but I am really upset and discouraged about these results. I was hoping for finally a real answer and to just know for sure.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
What treatment are you starting with?

Hopefully you will find some relief soon.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
What you both say is a real eye-opener so far as the tests are concerned.

I have had three tests in the past, one of which was only an NHS one, other two The complete Parasitology and mine were all negative too........but then, I have not seen positive evidence of parasites and have treated at various times in the past on the assumption that I do.

Gael, your comment re nicest and deadliest really touched me.

[ 03-07-2014, 10:50 AM: Message edited by: ukcarry ]
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Hi Greta,

My dr is starting me on Albendazole to see if it does anything. Do you have any experience with this?

It's hard since the test results didn't show anything specific, we don't really know what to treat.

I think I've read that Albendazole is only for "worms"...so if what I have is a different type of parasite, I'm guessing this med won't help?

I guess it's like trial and error? I'm a little confused.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
People usually carry more than one G.I. parasite. Worms are the most common and starting with Albendazole is a good place to start.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
The tests miss parasites because they only require a miniscule section of excrement to go into a few tiny viles. It's sort of basic math. The whole stool should be tested, not just a pinch here and there.

So the odds of any evidence showing up in the tiny amount that is submitted are low, even for the best labs.

Also, the labs will only identify eggs. They ignore the worms. They are just following directions, even though their guidelines are flawed. We all know it takes a lot to change flawed guidelines. So people treat.

This is why the evidence based model for medicine is a bad one. Tests should not be held as an end all be all for diagnosis. A doctor's opinion should rule before any test for diagnosis.

Sadly, most docs miss parasites.
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Hey Gael,

My doctor instructed that I take 3 pills (the Albendazole) on the same day to start, and then not to take another 3 pills until 2 weeks later.

Does that sound normal? Should I expect to feel sick?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Day 21 of Humaworm. Woke up with increased neuro symptoms, twitching eye and scalp, anxiety flares, and sort of feeling like I have to yawn to get enough air. This latter stuff has been building the last few days.

Parasites or waking up babesia?

I called the (super nice) people at Humaworm and they said that this stuff hits everything, even lyme (except they called it a virus) and other bacteria and parasites. They recommended Humana detox tea.

Not sure what to think?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dmarie.

Not familiar with pharma antiparasitics. I think Catgirl and some others may be more helpful with dosages.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

Are you still constipated? Sounds like dieoff symptoms, but important to get the dead and dying parasites and toxins out. Can you add a little salt/c to maybe coax them out?

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
yes I will try that Gael. I had no luck on salt/C by itself.

Yes still constipated.

Is it true that Humaworm kills everything?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57

Don't know if Humaworm kills everything, but I think the combo of antiparasitic herbs and salt/c will kill everything. Also drink plenty of water to help with constipation and when doing salt/c. Coconut water could also help with constipation and is good to help balance electrolytes.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Just wondering... does anyone here take chlorella while doing the salt c? I know you are supposed to take Vit C away from the chlorella. Just wondering how you dose it. Thanks.
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Thinking about giving humaworm a try. I have no clue if parasites are an issue for me.... Primarily neuro symptoms with some twitching.

Does humaworm work? Is it safe to take with my other ABX? How long do I give it a try? How do I know if it is working?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dbpei, I take it sometimes (3 hrs apart).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Twinnick, good for you! No worries, most people have no clue they have parasites (me). It's pretty hard to live on the planet without getting them (airborne eggs, water, food, etc).

Twitching for me was parasite related. For some people it's related to low magnesium. I think it's a combo of both though, which could be why magnesium is low in patients in the first place (which came first, chicken or the egg). They eat our nutrients and suck what they need out of us before we get a chance to absorb it.

Yes, humaworm does work for some people all by itself. I combined it with abx when I was on them (not at the same time though, I took herbs apart from abx). I did the child's dose at first to make sure my body could handle it (it was safe for me). I felt better right away on it (think it was killing off eggs and the small stuff). I did however get constipated. Make sure you drink lots of water. Colonics and coffee enemas help.

I took various things to fight parasites for a whole year without seeing much. I knew in my gut though that parasites were there, so I continued to treat. It wasn't until after a year of treating when the worms finally started to exit (they couldn't take it anymore).

Humaworm recommends treating twice per year. I treat all the time (various things).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I posted this on another thread, but thought people here might find it informative (warning, gross pics).

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.0953.pdf
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Wow catgirl thanks for the informative post!

So could I take humaworm with minocycline and cipro?

What symptoms did it help you with? Most of mine are neuro/energy/twitching.

Is a month long enough as their website suggests?

Sorry if you answered these, I just wanted to be clear before I give it a try. [Smile] .
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome!

I am no doc so I cannot advise about your specific meds, but can tell you I had no problems combining it with doxy and something else (sorry, I can't remember). I just started out on the child's dose. Also, I'm very sensitive, yet it didn't bother me, I just felt better.

I had so many symptoms back then I can't remember all of them. I had low energy, twitching, jaw clenching, teeth grinding, sinus problems, ear problems, brain fog, allergies (hayfever, grasses, etc) to name a few.

The first thing that cleared up was my sinuses. It was amazing, and overnight too. My energy was better after just a couple of days. I felt great. But then the metal dump hit me. Where there are parasites, there are heavy metals.

Parasites carry toxins/heavy metals and viruses on them, so when they die, we get what they carried. The dump was like a really bad herx. I should have taken binders, but I was clueless back then. Anyone killing parasites might want to take binders to get rid of the toxins or they risk re absorbing them, and feeling bad during the process.

After my sinuses improved, my hay fever and ragweed allergies went away (bonus). They are are ALL gone. I know I saved myself from getting root canals too (clenching my teeth at night). It was all from parasites. There's more, but my lyme brain can't remember right now (lol!).

As far as neuro stuff, parasite meds helped the most (helped my babs/proto).

No, IMO, a month won't cut it.
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Wow that's wonderful cat!

I was thinking about taking ziolite for heavy metals in conjunction with the humaworm. I'm hoping I notice an improvement in my brain fog and neuro symptoms in general with the humaworm! [Smile]
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
so gross question, it's that time of the month and there are like these huge slimy "chunks" of blood coming out. No idea what it would be, never happened before. Doing salt/C, but I'm only at 1/2 teaspoon right now.

But i've been seeing evidence of worms, very long ones so I was hoping it's just something else dying.

Thanks for any help!!
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Jlc are you on humaworm?
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
no just the salt/C right now. taking 6 cloves a day for eggs, just did a pulse of liposomal artemisinin on tuesday wed thurs, but i haven't added the other herb yet.

No abx, except 1/2 diflucan every few days.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
jlcd,

I would say def yes you are experiencing some dieoff with the chunks of blood especially since you have already seen worms.

Bloody discharge is on the symptom list for parasites at Humaworm. I always check the symptom list for a guide when in doubt. For anyone with parasites, ONE MOS OF ANTIPARASITICS IS NEVER ENOUGH!!!

Don't understand why Humaworm makes this statement. It can take several yrs to get rid of this kind of infection!

They also suggest a 90 day break in between treating. In my experience this was a big mistake. Tx has to be on going and persistent. Extra cloves should be taken to kill the eggs.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glm1111:
...ONE MOS OF ANTIPARASITICS IS NEVER ENOUGH!!!

Don't understand why Humaworm makes this statement. It can take several yrs to get rid of this kind of infection!

They also suggest a 90 day break in between treating. In my experience this was a big mistake. Tx has to be on going and persistent. Extra cloves should be taken to kill the eggs.

Gael

I don't understand it either. Maybe it's the wormwood? I watched an episode on Dr. Oz recently where he said people should take a break from it. Maybe it's the thujone. I'm not sure if humaworm, or for that matter parastroy has it in there.

http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/parasites-could-they-be-making-you-sick?page=2

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-729-WORMWOOD.aspx?activeIngredientId=729&activeIngredientName=WORMWOOD
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
I have read several cautions (partic. concernng the liver) about taking wormwood non-stop, which is why I plan to rotate remedies to get a break from it just in case.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I hear what your concerns are and I have read that also. I was referring to a 3 mos break that Humaworm suggests which for me seemed too long. When I did that, and was just on salt/c,I got sicker. Just use your own judgement on what works for you. Rotating remedies is a good idea.

Gael
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
So how many here have used humaworm in conjunction with their ABX [for TBD] treatment?

I real want to give humaworm a try...but am hesitant to take an entire month off my abx protocol in fear of relapse.

I've been treating lyme and co for about 15 months and am a out 85-90% better. Sometimes I wonder if treating parasite will get me over that hump finally...
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Has anyone here ever taken the one-time large dose (3 grams+) for tapeworms?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
ukcarry,

Are you referring to 3gms of salt/c? If so, where did you hear/read that?

Gael
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Twinnick,
In response to your post on March 9. I was on Dr. C. protocol.

I did Zithromax + Ivermectin + Paragone for 2-5 day courses.

I did the same with Albenza and Alinia.
I recommend doing colonics.

I had big improvements with this.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,

Did someone have a recent post (link) on vitamin B deficiencies and benefits of taking vitamin B?

Thanks,
mlg
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
So sorry, Gael and others: i must have been in another world and stupidly left off the name of the substance i was asking about!

I meant to ask if anyone had tried the Hulda Clark later recommendation of 3 grams of Co Q 10, especially for tapeworms.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Just for your info. I just went back to my top notch LLMD and the have confirmed that some of the toughest cases of lyme are really parasites.
They are now giving a broad array of anti-parasitics. They were not doing this like 2 years ago when I was seeing them.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
UKcarry-yes, I have tried 3 grams of high quality of co q 10 in one go.

I did this as part of a mop up after a parasite, then a kidney then liver cleanse about two years ago.

Was not on any other meds or supplements at the time.

Had lyme at the time but was not yet dx'd.

Did not notice anything good or bad.

No herxing, no stomach upset, no signs of tapeworms etc.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Interesting Greta; i suppose you will never know whether it had any effect on any other, less visible, parasites.

Did you take it as a pile of capsules or open them up and mix it into a drink/food?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
ukcarry,

No problem. It's a miracle most of us can even type.

mlg,

That's FANTASTIC that your LLMD and some others are finally recognizing what a huge role parasites play in Lyme disease.

Great to hear!

Gael
 
Posted by SLML (Member # 42986) on :
 
Hello all,

Just wanted to say I started Humaworm yesterday in addition to my antibiotics. So I am on this journey with you. I am interested to see how it goes. I am taking an intestinal cleanse formula as well as psyllium husk capsules with it. I read through the ingredients of Humaworm and it has intestinal cleansing agents in the formula as well.

On my last doctors appointment, I asked her about treating parasites/worms and she told me she doesn't know much about it. So that means she doesn't give medications for it. Boo. Right now I am treating Lyme and also Babesia and there are some treatments I asked about for Babesia that she is unfamiliar with too. I am thinking I may need to see another doctor in the future although I am really happy with her lyme treatment. We shall see...if I do indeed have a parasite/worm issue then adding in another doc with experience would be good. Anyone who knows of really good docs for this, feel free to PM me their names.

PS - Will taking Salt/C be a problem if I take 1/4 tsp of each in addition to taking antibiotics? How many times a day to people take Salt/C?

Oh - I should add that my liver enzymes were really good too so, so far so good.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Hope you do well on Humaworm, SLML!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
SLML,

Go get those parasites! If you do salt/c, take it about an hour or two away from abx. Also, buying the salt/Plus book from Amazon for guidance would be an excellent guide for you.

Start with 1/4tsp once a day, and then ramp up slowly according to how you feel on it. Always drink extra water. Coconut water is great to help balance electrolytes since it is high in potassium.

Keep us posted and good Luck.

Gael
 
Posted by SLML (Member # 42986) on :
 
Hi Gael,

Oh my! Today is my 3rd day on Humaworm. I had black poppy seed like things with flagella in my stool - a ton of them that floated to the top of the bowl. They were very small black circle with translucent tails on them. Then I had a large flattened kidney bean type thing - dark red and different color from all my stool - and it appears to be a liver fluke from looking at various pictures on the internet. It is definately NOT a kidney bean because I haven't eaten kidney beans since the SuperBowl when I made chili. Anyways, this is very interesting. Especially since I have been taking Tiniazole 2 weeks on 2 weeks off for the past 6 months. Tinidazole functions as an anti-parasitic but apparently didn't get these critters inside me that the humaworm is getting at.

On the Salt/C. How many times a day do you take it? What brand of Salt and what brand of C do you use? I will buy coconut water today as I am going to Costco.

I am so glad I tried the Humaworm. I have my prescriptions to start my Babesia treatment but I really wanted to 'test' out and see if I had any parasitic issues in addition to the Babesia and Lyme. Well, I think I have my answer.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
That's GREAT news! I buy Real Salt sea salt from vitacost and Ester C powder with bioflavonoids by American Health. I ramped up 1/4tsp salt/c per day according to my herx reaction.

If you are already seeing parasites so early on, I suspect you have many more to get rid of. Adding the salt/c will really get them moving out. They can't stand the salt and run from it.

Gael
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Anyone have experience with parasitecleanse.com?

Any feedback on their product?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I am about to finish my round of Humaworm, along with abx.

I wish I had seen stuff readily identifiable as parasites but I haven't....just some tiny yellow things that may or may not be eggs (but then may be undigested food)?
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Mig, did our doc really say that, about the toughest cases really being parasites?
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Anyone familiar with parasitecleanse.com products?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

I was on some VERY strong antiparasitics including Humaworm, Parastroy and Hanna Kroeger Wormwood combo for 6 mos.

It wasn't until I added salt/C that I had a mass exodus. The tiny yellow things sound like they could be the start of some dieoff. Maybe trying salt/c will help push some stuff out. Worth a try.

Gael
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
CD57,
Yes my top notch LLMD said that. I went back to them as my other LLMD passes away and needed a new doctor. I have more info. You can pm me if you'd like.
Two years ago they wouldn't prescribe anti-parasitics and now they are.
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
What about essential oils...? My wife has been reading alot about treating parasites with essential oils and is convinced it works. She wants to treat our entire family this way...

Anyone know if essential oils really work in treating parasites? I am sketpical...
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Essential oils for parasite...

Anyone?
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
There are quite a few essential oils that kill parasites. I know lemongrass, clove, fennel, oregano, thyme, lavender, and cinnamon bark are a few that help kill parasites.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
For the experts:

What do you think about this??

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/05/30/hookworms-a-cheap-treatment-for-autoimmune-diseases/
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
twinnick.

Google essential oils to kill parasites.

Gael
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Thanks lymetoo...

I asked here because there is not as much bias as if I were to read testimonials from an essential oils website. I did do some googling but I was usually lead to an oils website or another website that was selling some herbal remedy and would stated something along the lines "antibiotics and oils do not get to the root of the problem...buy our product!"

My wife is really going forward with treating our family with essential oils and I am supporting her...but I just don't feel like I read much here about it being ussed successfully.

You guys are who I run to for info! [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The three main herbs that are usually used to kill parasites, (black walnut hull, wormwood and cloves)are considered the best way to kill parasites and their eggs.

If your wife doesn't "see" evidence of parasites dying using essential oils, she might want to comsider the antiparasitic herbs.

Some of the herbs tutu mentioned above are often found included in some of the antiparasitic compounds that Humaworm and Parastroy have included.

The eggs MUST be killed in order to get rid of these infections. Salt/c is also another powerful parasite killer.

Gael
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
I've heard a lot of this salt/c protocol being thrown around here a bit.

Is it safe for kids to do? Does anyone have a salt/c link for dummies exposing how to do it and how you know if your doing it right?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
There is a yahoo group about salt/c run by Marc Fett at lymestrategies. He also has a book called salt/c Plus that you can buy at Amazon which is an excellent guide for doing the protocol.

Salt/c + antiparasitic herbs saved my life. It is based on the website www.lymephotos.com I actually had these exact parasites pictured exit from me.

Gael
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Thanks GLM.

I myself would like our family to do the humaworm...but my wife asked me how you get a 4 year old to swallow a pill? According to humaworms website...he would only have to take one pill a day, but there is no way we could get him to swallow it.

Ideas?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Good question. I have swallowing issues, so what I do is open the capsules and mix the powder with applesauce.

That being said, it can taste quite bitter and I usually have to take a piece of carrot or other cake with it followed by some cold milk.

Maybe for your little one, mix a tiny bit at a time of the herb and applesauce mixture with food or icecream. It's worth a try.

Gael
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Thanks GLM!

I wasn't sure if that was possible... We have done that with some of his other meds that were capsule in the past and it works.

Ice cream sounds like a good idea. He is pretty picky with his foods...but loves his sweets! Thanks again!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your very welcome. Glad I could help.

P.S.

Parasites lOVE milk and sweets, so when they eat what they love, they also ingest the poisonous herbs. Hope this works for you. I hate to see anyone sick, let alone a little child.

Keep us posted and good luck!

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Lymetoo, I saw something about them on Dr. Oz once --not sure what to make of it, other than I wouldn't do it. I would however treat for broad spectrum parasites instead. I think chrons/colitis are actually due to another form of parasite (again, JMO).
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Is it true that this thread started about a year ago...it seems to me it has been here forever

Im going thru some stuff and may join you again soon
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Yes, Lp this thread was created a year ago by Gael, thank god. Ever since parasites were recognized as THE NUMBER ONE CO INFECTION at the 2012 annual ILADS conference, more people are are opening their eyes to it (better late than never).

Hang in there, and join us whenever you're up to it. :)
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Lymetoo,

I agree with Catgirl about Crohns/colitis.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
I think one reason that many people are only just starting to treat parasites seriously is that lots of literature and dosage instructions for parasite treatments often imply that a 30 day course is all that is required. ......so they may do Humaworm, clarkia etc for a month and then move on, thinking that they have ticked that box!

I know that I have several times before treated, but am only now deciding to treat for extended periods.
 
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
 
We have avoided it for my son because no parasite therapy seems really that safe to me.

His kidneys are not good, so Salt/C is likely out.

Then there's all the herbals, and I'm not really confident of what they say is in them, and the ingredients are supposed to kill parasites, so likely they are sub-toxic to humans anyway.

I guess if it were just me, it would be a no brainer........

IDK
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ukcarry, it's that and most people have a hard time wrapping their heads around the whole parasite issue. Parasites are not in the mainstream, so people don't know to look for them, much less consider treating them.

I have taken parasite herbs for much longer than 30 days. Combining them with salt/c is what started to force the worms out of me.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
tutu,

Have been contemplating the logic of this person purposely infecting themselves with worms. The first thing that I have a problem with is someone stepping in feces infested water to become infected. (think I read that right)

There is no way he could avoid female laying egg worms that lay 200,000 eggs a day. This could be a big problem if his immune system at some point is not functioning properly because he contracts another illness.

The other problem is that the worms migrate to other parts of the body, including other organs and the lungs. They especially love muscle tissue. After much research and only IMO, it seems to me that parasites can be the cause of crohns, IBS and other inflammatory bowel diseases.

I would be interested to see research and studies after some of the on purpose infected people do after a number of yrs.

I am for whatever works to help someone get well, but I am VERY skeptical about this remedy.

Just my 2 cents.

Gael
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
2roads
just my experiene. My LLMDs, pediatricians, pediatric GI doctors have given my childen anti-parsitics; pharma and herbal.
I would try to find an experienced doctor. And just watch out for side effects. A naturalpath or homeopathic doctor would work here. There is renelix from Pekana to help with kidney issues. Cucumbers by themselves or in juices are good for kidneys, PEMF is good for the kidneys.
take care,
 
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
 
mlg,

Could you share what they were safely given by the peds docs?

Thanks Much
 
Posted by Jamers (Member # 28016) on :
 
Full moon this evening called "worm moon". Haha! I am starting Humaworm for the first time tonight. I have been increasingly irritable the last couple of days with repetitive thoughts (OCD like). Does anyone know if Humaworm is okay to take with Samento and Cumanda? I'm also going to start Salt/C soon.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Jammers, that is great you are treating tonight! This has been a wicked full moon for me too.

I have taken humaworm with samento and cumanda, and salt/c before--no problems.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Wow, I just passed a bunch of worms (maybe due to the full moon?)! It is still so gratifying to me when I get rid of so many at once. Maybe because I fought so long before I saw any exit.

Just a reminder that enemas really help to expel them, especially if you're not seeing anything. Keep fighting warriors!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
WAY TO GO CATGIRL!!! Soooo happy for you. I know exactly what you mean. When you actually "see" what's been making you so sick and it's leaving your body, it is so rewarding. I couldn't believe what I was seeing when they started to exit along with other parasites. I had n

o idea I had parasites inside of me. I figured if I had them, others that were chronically ill with Lyme could also especially after seeing the lymephotos pics. That's why after researching parasites and their life cycle, I started to post about this malady so often to make others aware.

BTW, I was first made aware of the www.lymephotos.com and the salt/c protocol here on lymenet. Good for you for persisting in going after this enemy.

Gael
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
I see no reason not to take Humaworm alongside the Samento and Cumanda, Jamers, but would suggest that you take it at least 15 to 20 minutes away from either tincture.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I did a herbal protocol over the weekend for parasites and yeast.

Good news mentally it wasn't as hard as before, but boy did my gut want to hang on.

Woke up Sat. @ 2 a.m. and chugged some liquid magnesium citrate: goodbye suckers!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael! I physically feel better when I pass them and the toxins they excreted. Thanks for posting the lymephotos link. It's inspiring to read it and see the pictures. :)

Right on, Surprise!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your very welcome Catgirl. Wishing everyone a happy exiting of these critters! [Big Grin]

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Anyone know if you really must take a break from Humaworm? I finished my 30 days and really want to stay on it.

I figured I would ask here as well as at Humaworm.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

I have stayed on antiparasitic herbs and salt/c for over 6 yrs. I have switched it around using Parastroy, Hanna Kroeger and Hulda Clark with adding extra cloves, coconut oil, probiotics and kefir.

I really think adding salt/c now could be very beneficial starting at a low dose. Then maybe trying something like Parastroy added. Humaworm will probably tell you to take a break.

You can also ask them about their other herbs for bacteria and Lyme and check out their website for ingredients. Just some thoughts. What I would not do is not do anything.

Gael
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
why do they tell you to take a break, does anyone know?
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Anyone have experience with Paragone? Specifically Paragon for Kids...? It's seems like it has many of the common antiparasitic herbs in it...
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I didn't find Paragone as strong as Parastroy, but maybe that would be good for kids. Most of the antiparasitic herbs have similar ingredients. The 3 most important for killing parasites, wormwood, black walnut hull and cloves needs to be included to be effective.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
I've tried Paragone.

it would be good for really bad infestation, I think-to ease into it, as it is gentler, and maybe the die-off would be less. Probably a good one for someone who might have a hard time detoxing.

CD-I am not sure what all the ingreds are in Humaworm, but I think anything with Wormwood has that caution.

Personally, I went from Humaworm to Hulda Clark to Hanna Kroeger to Paragone etc. with clove capsules always.

But I was not taking other meds at the time.

This full moon has sucked.

It is my own fault for falling off the salt/C wagon.

But honestly, it has been terrible.

Surprise-way to go! Always good to keep those suckers moving out.

Catgirl-that's great! Especially if you haven't seen any in a while-must've been nice for some assurances about being on the right path.

Gael-is your maintenance dose for salt/C lower than the goal dose?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
My maintenance dose is around 5-10 gms salt/c in an 8oz glass. I sip it through the day and probably don't even get that amount. Not because I don't want to, but my stomach doesn't handle a higher dose like it used to.o I must not need it.

When I was at the height of doing salt/c, I had worked my way up (very slowly) to 20 gms per day in divided doses of 5gms per glass.

Not suggesting anyone go that high, but that's what I tolerated. It actually would turn into a flush and I would expel most of it along with parasites.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Greta. :) This full moon was a bad one for me as well. I'm so happy it's over!
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Hey Guys,

I have not been on this thread in quite a while. I continue to address parasites with herbs and doing fairly well.

I have a question for the experts out there.

I recently underwent a molar extraction last week and ended up getting dry socket. Also felt like I was having a bit of a parasite flare during this full moon.

Anyway, the treatment for dry socket is clove oil soaked in cotton placed into the jaw socket. Do you think this will cause a parasite herx if I have parasites effecting the dental region? Thanks! DW
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
2Roads,
From your post on March 16. I think you need to find a good naturalpath/homeopath doctor. Many things have side effects and not everyone is the same. I think you need to address detoxifying issues. And address parasites. You you can do coconut water, which is anti-parasitic. Also papaya and include the seeds with honey. Cucumbers are also detox kidneys of parasites.
You could parasite testing through metametrix.
I think it is up to a parent to look for the best interest of the child. Sometimes you have to use pharma, but keep an eye out and work with your doctor.
take care,
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
desertwind,

Cloves are antiparasitic and are also thought to kill parasite eggs. You could get a herx from it, and the clove oil can also be absorbed in to your system. Really a good thing since it will kill off the bugs. Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
Thanks glm1111; Thanks.

The dry socket pain sooo much better but....I am having wicked head pressure and headaches now. Those two symptoms have always been related to parasites for me. I always thought parasites were a big part of my dental/jaw issue so happy to have clove oil in my bone socket.

Interesting...
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your very welcome! Glad your pain is subsiding. Are you on any antiparasitics now? Or have you been in the past?

Gael
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
It is amazing how clove oil took away pain that percocet could not touch.

Yes, I had done a couple of rounds of a modified version of Dr. K.' protocol. Had fabulous results once through the herx.

Took Alinia for a few months after finishing the rotation of meds. Was also on Malarone, A-P, black walnut, ART, Pau d' Arco and a few other herbs.

Lately I have not been on anything. Thinking of re-starting something.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Might be a good idea. Maybe try Parastroy and salt/c. The combo packs quite a punch and might chase out some unwanted guests.

Gael
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I will try your suggestions. I have had an increase in head pressure since the clove oil packing and that was one of my top parasite symptoms. DW
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
anyone ever taken the VRM2, VRM1, or VRM3. I did a zyto session with scott and he said my body is testing high for these. The 2 the most then the 3, then the 1.
 
Posted by MichaelTampa (Member # 24868) on :
 
I've taken VRM4 quite a bit, but never 2, 1, or 3.
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
What was your reaction?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
For frikfrak to review. [Smile]
 
Posted by jwick25 (Member # 15190) on :
 
Hi everyone,

Just stopped by this thread to start educating myself about parasites.

I just finished treatment for a candida overgrowth and felt so much better.

Last night, I noticed something when I used the bathroom (trying not to get too detailed...lol).

It looked like a very flat, thin snakeskin-like thing that was almost the length of a dollar bill.

I took a picture in case my LLMD needs to see it.

Not sure what it is, but I was freaked out.

I put a message in with the LLMD so that I can talk to him about this and get his opinion.

I came to this thread to learn what treatment options are out there and whether treatment itself is a very rough process.

Hoping to learn more as I go....but waiting for a talk with the doctor and confirmation first.

The thought of parasites in my system is just creepy. But if they're there....they're there....and they need to go.

I rather be aware of it than have no idea.

Hope you're all doing as well as can be.

Thanks!
jwick
 
Posted by frikfrak (Member # 26844) on :
 
Hi,

thanks glm1111....i have read this post (parasites) many times. I see that a lot of people use the salt/vit c but not going to lie, I'm little nervous giving it to my DS...since he doesn't speak I would not know how he's feeling.

Also he's on multiple abx for lyme/babesia.

thank you, I will definitely see about what i can do to go after these critters.

His Mom
 
Posted by RZR (Member # 20953) on :
 
I have been treating parasites and seeing them exit for 3-1/2 years now. I mostly rotate Albenza and Parastroy, but add diam. earth at times.

Is it safe to use this combo for such a long haul?

Anything others find stronger than Parastroy?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I add Hanna Kroeger Wormwood, extra cloves to Parastroy and salt/c. Parastroy says to not use for that long, but I have used it for over a year. You can also rotate with Humaworm and other antiparasitic herbs. They all seem to have similar ingredients.

Adding salt/c to the mix packs quite a powerful punch. You might want to consider. When I did that it caused a mass exodus for mos. The parasites can't stand the salt and causes them to exit.


It can take yrs to get rid of parasites and all of the eggs and larva they have layed deep into the tissues. It's like peeling an onion. Just keep going, because persistence is key.

Gael
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
How do you know the difference between "just a side effect" of the medication, and a herx or die-off of parasites or bacteria?

A few days ago I started a medication for parasites. The first medication I tried had no effect on me. This second medication, within about 2 days of starting it I got really sick (fever, aches, chest congestion, headache, etc).

My doctor says he believes this is a die-off rather than just an effect of the meds.

This medication targets the microscopic parasites, so I wouldn't be able to tell by passing any.

I'm just confused as to knowing the difference between if it's die-off or normal issues from the meds.

My fever was pretty bad the first 2 days, and now it goes between completely normal and low-grade fever.

Any thoughts or experiences anyone has had with this type of thing?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dmarie, it's a tough call because some parasite meds also hit lyme. Die off is the herx, and if it happened within two days of taking it, I would guess it's because your meds killed something.

If however you are having symptoms that are known side effects (you can check drugs.com), then they could be from the meds. It's still a tough call though. Your doc probably has a better idea here, so I would follow his lead. A fever throws me though (sounds like lyme).
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl. We aren't sure yet if I have Lyme, so it's definitely a little confusing.

Fever is not listed as one of the common side-effects of the med, though who knows?

My fever was way worse at first. It was pretty high for 2-3 days. Now it fluctuates between being completely normal with no fever, and then it'll randomly go up for a short period of time.

My doc does say he thinks die-off is more likely than side-effect of meds.

What throws me is that while maybe something is being killed, my original symptoms are not improving. I just assumed that as soon as things started being killed...my symptoms would go away (even though I'm only on day 4 of the medication).

The dr. says it can take much longer for symptoms to show an improvement. What's your experience with that? Am I just being too impatient? [Smile]
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,

My last LLMD that passed away did a test. Don't know what it is called or which lab she used.

My chart notes say BRC - significant biofilm.

Does anyone have any input?

I am on anti-parasitic protocol plus clyndamiacin. Plus heparin.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Parasites and other microorganisms secrete biofilm as a protective coating to protect themselves from being attacked by outside sources such as abx for example.

When I added salt/c to my antiparasitic herbs, I found numerous parasites floating in the toilet surrounded by biofilm.

Salt is a drying agent to many organisms that become dehydrated when the salt hits them. Much like when you pour salt on a worm it will shrivel up.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dmarie, often when people go after one bug, another co infection pops up, so they feel worse. Also, if you read Burrascano's guidelines, you will see that people often get worse before they get better (lyme). It takes time to figure out what is what.

http://www.lymenet.org/BurrGuide200810.pdf
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Mlg, maybe it is due to proto?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
I stumbled across this while reading about the CDC's Neglected 5...

I didn't realize toxocariasis was as prevalent as it is.

Sorry to quote a CDC link here folks...normally wouldn't do this, but the numbers of admitted parasite infection is actually higher than I ever thought the CDC would admit it to be.

http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/toxocariasis/epi.html
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Someone was asking about a bad cough?

"The manifestations of toxocariasis reflect the number of migrating larvae, where the larvae have migrated in the body, and the degree of immune response and inflammation that developed in response to the presence of the larvae.

Visceral toxocariasis has been proposed as a cause of asthma..."
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Toxoplasmosis:

"In the United States it is estimated that 22.5% of the population 12 years and older have been infected with Toxoplasma."

Other parts of the world have been estimated at 95%
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
What po's me about both of these is they are detected with blood tests.

Which is great for those of us with LL's who realize our compromised immune systems give us a chance at catching EVERYTHING, but not great for everyone else who sees Dr. Ordinary Smith.

[Frown]

Wouldn't it be nice if every poor kid with asthma had a simple blood test to see if perhaps steroid inhalers weren't the wisest course of treatment?

Grrr...
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
CD57--I am chiming in late. Humaworm suggest a 90 day break so the parasites do not develop resistance like they do to antibiotics.

A lot of parasite regimens wipe out the good bacteria and the yeast (both good and bad yeast). I know humaworm does and it takes awhile to build the gut back up.

But, definitely worth it to get the parasites any safe way you can!

Hiker53
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The problem with taking a break from antiparasitics is that some of these parasites (roundworms)are laying 200,000 eggs a day. Not to mention how many eggs the other parasites are laying.Threadworms, hookworms etc. That would be approx. 6,000,000 eggs a month (if my math is correct)

This is considered a hyperinfection. Folks that are chronically ill with Lyme or TB are on abx for a yr or longer without a break.

I took that 3 mos break that Humaworm suggested and am sorry I did. I drink/drank lots of kefir as well even while taking the herbs. Not telling anyone else what to do, but for me the numbers speak for themselves.

The herbs also kill the candida. These parasites are just plain bad news and not to be taken lightly as they invade the brain, organs, lungs and tissue.

If you are lucky enough to have an ART practioner, that would help. I guess everyone has to do what they are comfortable with.

Gael
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
P.S.

When you add salt/c to the herbs, it sucks the water out of the parasites and causes them to go into osmotic shock and exit. The combo packs quite a punch.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glm1111:
The problem with taking a break from antiparasitics is that some of these parasites (roundworms)are laying 200,000 eggs a day. Not to mention how many eggs the other parasites are laying.Threadworms, hookworms etc. That would be approx. 6,000,000 eggs a month (if my math is correct)

This is considered a hyperinfection. Folks that are chronically ill with Lyme or TB are on abx for a yr or longer without a break.

I took that 3 mos break that Humaworm suggested and am sorry I did. I drink/drank lots of kefir as well even while taking the herbs. Not telling anyone else what to do, but for me the numbers speak for themselves.

The herbs also kill the candida. These parasites are just plain bad news and not to be taken lightly as they invade the brain, organs, lungs and tissue.

If you are lucky enough to have an ART practioner, that would help. I guess everyone has to do what they are comfortable with.

Gael

I agree with Gael. I took a break and was sorry I did. Also, the herbs do help with candida.
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
I'm on day 7 of my medication/antibiotics for parasites and my doctor really thinks that the first couple days I had a die-off reaction.

I still have another week of the prescription. I'm probably being impatient, but I'm really discouraged my ORIGINAL symptoms are still here with no improvement.

Should they be gone already if I really did have a die-off? Or am I being too impatient? My doctor said it can take time to show any improvement...

How long does this take?? Maybe I'm looking at it the wrong way but I keep thinking if I did have a die-off, then my parasite symptoms would be gone [Frown]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dmarie, why not listen to your doc (it takes time)? Don't you believe him?

Sorry, but if I didn't know better I would think you were a troll. You seem to keep asking the same questions trying to acquire advice or a different response. We're not doctors. Your doc has the answers you seek.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Had the same situation with dmarie sending me pms and asking the same questions in a different way repeatedly. Quite tiring.

Catgirl is right...listen to your doc and do some research on parasites. Did you do any research dMarie?

Gael
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
Wow I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to offend or irritate anyone. I've just been trying to understand things better and make sense of things. It's been a confusing time and was just really appreciative of people who actually understood these things (unlike me).
 
Posted by dmarie725 (Member # 43094) on :
 
And yes, Gael, I've done research but there is so much it's overwhelming and I don't really know what to take. Sometimes deciphering all the information online is a bit difficult.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Yes, same experience here. Over and over.

Research for whatever, regarding whatever you're researching for,

Try curezone. Parasite forum. There's enough wingnuts on there to supply you with a plethora of data for whatever it is you are researching.

Folks with lyme have enough problems as it is.

God bless and good luck with your paper.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Starting a new anti parasitic.

Parasite Purge

Wormwood, Black Walnut, Garlic, Cinnamon, Clove, Thyme in a tincture.

Company called Harmonic Arts Botanical Dispensary.

First tincture drops tried this morning. Will keep you posted on progress.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Greta! I like trying new products. They seem to confuse the bugs.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
It is STRONG!

Halfing my previous dropperful...

Had some strange cramping in the duodenal area... Thought I was going to have the runs... Strong enough to make me squint my eyes and breathe the La Mas....hahaha.

But didn't have the runs. Just the weird cramps. They went away.

Trying half dropperful with dinner.

You're right Catgirl! It's good to keep them confused!

[Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Awesome!

I think tincture forms are very strong in general, at least for me they are. I get very sharp cramping from them, then the next day more worms--sometimes different ones that I haven't seen in awhile.

Greta, is it alcohol based? Also, how big a bottle did you get? I don't know my ml vs oz (lol).
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
I got the 50mL bottle. About one and a half times the size of a Byron white bottle (abab, av etc).

I wanted to try the smallest size in case it was just the usual run of the mill etc.

Also bought Candida Combat, which I haven't tried (will add in next week).

WOW! can't believe the strength of the Parasite Purge.

The garlic is strong but doesn't burn the mouth like fresh garlic.

Yes, alcohol based tincture.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Greta! Please keep us posted on how well it kills the bugs.

Hey, the lyme ease looks like it might be worth trying too.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I thought most of these herbal parasites stuff had mostly the same ingredients so am surprised to hear about the strength of Greta's new one. Way to go!

Also I have really noticed that the Humaworm (I am back on) is far worse at wiping out good bacteria than the abx I have been on!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
CD57, what do you mean wiping out good bacteria, what is it doing to you?
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Has anyone tried Para-chord? My LLMD just put me on this.

Thanks!
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Anyone try Dr. K's Nexus suppositories?


http://retailbiopure.me/cart.php?m=search_results&search=nexus
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I can just tell that this stuff is doing that far more so than the abx I have taken. I have to be VERY vigilant about replenishing, or I can tell immediately.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
CD57-wow! Thanks for the heads up about huma! interesting!

Yes, I thought the tinctures were all the same too but yowsers.

I can tell it is doing some serious killing, as for the first time in my life, I mean ever, I have went 24 hours without pooping. (TMI sorry). I will do a salt water enema tonight to get the toxins out.

Normally things have a tendency to go the other way, and I spend half my life on the can. Haha.

Patches-i think I've seen those suppositories on the greenandhealthy website. They may be cheaper there?

Haven't tried them, but interested!
 
Posted by jlcd1 (Member # 18138) on :
 
I've tried the suppositories for a month. I didn't see anything at the time, but they did give me what the ER doc thought was a UTI.

Now i don't think it was a UTI, i think it was just killing something and the pain was from that. I wouldn't do it every night at first.

I just ordered parastroy to add to my salt/C, anyone know what dose is good to start out with?

Thanks!!!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I started Parastroy with half the dose they suggested and ramped up according to how I felt. It's very strong.

Good luck with it and keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Mlg, I haven't heard of that one before, but it looks good!

CD57, maybe it is killing so much that the die off is giving you yeast? That happens to me from abx, and they give me what seems like a UTI, but not a UTI. Or maybe there is something in it your body cannot handle.

You could always try calling humaworm. They usually are very good at pinpointing which herb causes which reaction. Then they can leave it out if you so desire.

Humaworm actually makes my yeast better. My doc even said that parasite formulas often do this (better).

[ 03-31-2014, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Yikes!

Going down to 1/4 dropperful!

Definitely working!

I'm needing to increase activated charcoal.

Strange mucousy things-makes me think my body is surrounding toxins, or maybe biofilms?

Cramping in duodenal area a few hours after tincture-ing.

But definitely going to 1/4 dropper.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Wow, Greta, it is so good to hear you found something that is working so well, even after lowering the dose. That stuff must be super strong!

Have you seen an increase in worms too?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
No worms yet. But those strange mucousy things with the bright red dots in it.

?

It's not blood. it looks like clear gel with tiny red sprinkles (the kind that go on sugar cookies).

Very bizarre. Have had this once before-don't know what this is. Must be a biofilm of some type.

Yes, I am very pleased with the tincture so far. It said 30 drops on the bottle, but I think that would be for healthier folks!

Has anyone had this gel-thingy?
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-dietrich-klinghardt-reducing-toxins-and-parasites-in-the-body-march-4-2014/


A great discussion of lyme, heavy metals(including aluminum) and parasites from Dr. K.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks for posting the discussion from Dr.K.

Interesting that it was brought up by Robin123 on a thread debating the safety and use of MMS for parasites. Robin brought up the point that just a few yrs ago, bringing up the point that folks with Lyme had parasites was ridiculed.

I can attest to that, because I caught a lot of flack for my constantly bringing up the parasite issue.

It didn't really bother me, because of my own battle with finally "seeing" what was making me so sick and knew it could be the missing link for many with chronic Lyme.

Really happy to finally see so many here pursuing these monsters inside being "uncovered" so to speak.

Kinda like saying to these intruders "Okay, the jigs up, NOW GET OUT"!!! You are ALL really strong fighters and have what it takes to get well. [group hug] [kiss]

Gael
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
I am running a parasite program on my Spooky2 Rife machine. Too early to tell but I think it might be very helpful.

http://www.spooky2.com/
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Patches-how hard was it to set up the spooky2 program? I read the intro but I am so confused with that sort of thing.

Please keep us updated with parasite killing progress on it [Smile]
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
It is a little confusing at first, but the potential is so great and the cost so low that anyone who is willing to try will be rewarded I think.

I am only on my third day of using the parasite frequencies and feel some brain fog clearing.

I will keep you informed.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Tuesday the 15th is a total lunar eclipse full blood moon, whatever that means, but yikes almighty my gut is none too happy.

My diet and Enhansa Curcumin and keeping my bowels moving is releasing MORE liver flukes and such.

Just seems never ending, so I will remind myself of the good news-
Good times are very good- hopeful, grateful, appreciative.

The drops back down are tough, but not the neuro tough that it used to be. More, my gut let's me know hey, so not done, with bloating, tightening, some pain, etc.

Keep trucking- Tuesday seems like a doozy to build up to-
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Surprise-I am glad to hear you're still seeing exodus with the flukes. Gosh they are awful critters!

Yikes! Didn't realize this moon was such a doozy, thanks for letting me know.

I'll be cranking up the tinctures.

do you guys think parasite tinctures also kill babesia?

I was just thinking about protozoas, hoping the parasite purge combines with my other meds and slays the babesia dragon.

Sigh.

$700 for 3 weeks mepron. Yikes!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Greta,

the salt/c AND antiparasitic herbs has been reported to kill babs, bb and other co-infections. It has for me, but not an overnight kill, esp if you have been infected for a long time as I have.

I had a bulls eye emerge on my arm plus 3 scabs in a row several months ago from a fully engorged tick I had bite me 30 yrs ago. This came after I had been treating for 8yrs.

It truly is like peeling an onion. Patience and persistence is key.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Surprise, keep trucking!

This full moon coming up is a wicked one. I've been herxing the past two days. I woke up and passed 3 big worms this morning.

Greta, yes I think the parasite tinctures hit babs. I also agree with Gael, salt/c and parasitic herbs work really well too.

Anyone else reading this thread (newbies), now is the time to hit the bugs (before the full moon).
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
That's great news.

Mepron is so darn expensive-the less time I need it, the better!

I'm seeing a lot of gross debris also, but have been flaring so bad. Assuming the bugs are getting active...
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Anyone know the best place to purchase Praziquantel w/o a prescription?

Thanks!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Greta, parasite tinctures (and meds) hit babs and help to knock it back, but I don't think they kill it. You might want to stay on your mepron. Have you tried malarone yet (cheaper and good for resistant babs)?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Catgirl-haven't started the mepron yet...had to scrape up $700... This is my first time going into "official" babesia treatment... I am hoping parasite treatment will help this co also. It sure helped bart.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,

Has anyone done Coartem and Primaquine alternating. I am feeling really awful on Coartem.

I felt way better on Clynda and Quinine.

Why would doctors really be considered with Quinine? It used to be over the counter years ago.

MY LLMD said she had some concerns on quinine. But my old LLMD had me on it and I made great improvements. My next appointment is like in 3 weeks. Arg... I already called my LLMD since yesterday and haven't heard back.

I added salt +C and felt better for like 2 hours then went back to feeling like brain fog and tired.

Any input, ideas?
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
You want to hear something weird last night was the blood moon and in my upper sinus a red outline circle kind of showed up. This upper sinus has been bothering me. It feels like this is one of the sites that the infection always migrates to. I felt like one of those movies the marked ones (I haven't seen it yet). I feel like this is a plague...
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Greta, great! How did parasite treatment help w/bart, can you be more specific? I am finding this too....although having a tough time putting my finger on how....

Q for you folks re Humaworm/other parasite cleanses. I have a set of symptoms that seems knocked back (not eradicated) by the Humaworm, and only Humaworm. I have already done the 30 day cleanse and am supposed to take a 90 day break per the co, as they said the parasites will become "resistant" to this set of herbs (??). So they want me to do the in-between herbs for 90 days, then repeat the Humaworm several more times (of course they would). They think there is a good chance the 30 days, given several more times, will eradicate this set of symptoms.

My question is, has anyone used this in between series from the company, or should I switch to a Parastroy etc? The key seems to be avoiding the wormwood and black walnut for 90 days and then coming back to them.

Thanks!
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
PS I have not tried parastroy, paragone, hulda clark but would imagine those all contain black walnut and wormwood, which the lady at Humaworm said to stay away from for 90 days or the parasites become resistant.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Greta, did you see the thread about generic Meprone now available?

MLG, sorry I don't know about babesia meds specifically, just that yes, this particular full moon was rough if treating!

CD57, great you see results w/ Humaworm, I think personally clearing the yeast and parasites and gut takes a long time,
so keep cleansing and proper diet----and yes, space/ break wormwood.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
folks another question: I have been looking at the ingredients of all the parasite cleanses today. Virtually all of them contain black walnut, clove, and wormwood, so it would be impossible to get away from these....anyone know a formula that does *not* contain wormwood or black walmut?
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
CD57,

A couple of doctors told me that you can do fresh coconut water in the AM before anything is a parasite cleanser.

Also, papaya seeds with honey.

Also, juicing beet, cucumber, celery, and green apples in A.M.

I think the health food store has something else called bitters and it doesn't have black hulls or wormwood.

Artemisinin is also anti-parasitic.

Epazote herb anti-parasitic
Estafiate herb anti-parasitic.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
I have been considering parasite ideas that don't involve wormwood and black walnut too, CD 57: one idea is to try food grade diatomaceous earth, but I can't use that at present, as I am already taking Metalsweep.

I see that some of the Systemic Formulas' parasite formulas don't have these two herbs, so you could look into them. VRM4 seems to contain them, but at least two of the others don't seem to. In UK there is a cleanse called Elle Belle Eliminateur that doesn't have wormwood, though can't remember about black walnut.

[ 04-17-2014, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: ukcarry ]
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Ugh. What a messy full moon
[toilet]

CD- Wormwood is not good to take constantly. So the break for Wormwood is a good idea.

Cloves I would continue to take every day for the rest of my life. They kill eggs. To stop cloves for even one day-ascaris lays 200,000 plus eggs a day...

MLG had AWESOME suggestions.

Beet juice, garlic, pau d-arco (also good for knocking yeast down), coconut water, papaya seeds, pumpkin seeds, thyme, mimosa pudica, DE earth (totally agree with other LN'er about DE). Goldenseal tincture.

There is a Hanna Kroeger blend called Rascal. I am not sure if it has Wormwood in it, it may not.

Anyways, hope this adds to some options for the break between humaworm.
[Smile]
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
DE kills parasites? Interesting.....

Anyone tried the "In between" formula from the Humaworm folks?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
For the last 4 days I've had an itchy, dry needly feeling nose. Everytime I blew it, there would be small clots in clear mucus. Sorry for the grossness.

Anyways, today when it was itchy, I wiped the back of my hand against it, and then noticed a worm on the back of my hand.

It was 1 cm long and very thin.

Was not mucus, was a differnt color, texture-I could see segments when I held it to a light.

Each end of it was dark brown, almost like larvae looks, but worm build.

I am so grossed out it is not even funny.

Now I know why my sinuses have been so irritated and weird blood clots.

This is disgusting. I don't even like to write this down-it makes me feel like a loony.

Trust me, it was not normal nose debris.

It was definately something that does not belong in a nose.
[Eek!]
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Greta, on and off recently (past few months), I have had a sore, itchy feeling in the nose too and some tiny blood clots there too. I found that several people treating parasites comment on it and , like you, have some worms coming out. So don't feel that you sound like a loony!

I am so sorry that it has grossed you out : I don't blame you!
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
You are right about Rascal, by the way: it has things like garlic, cramp bark, cayenne, thyme and perhaps, pumpkin seed.

It is mainly aimed at tapeworms. I used it for a three or four week cleanse in between using the HK wormwood combination, then combined the two for a while.
 
Posted by Cattail (Member # 24357) on :
 
Uh oh, I am on month 3 of Parastroy, did not know about the taking a break for 30 days from wormwood and black walnut. Rascal looks like something to use for now, but can I go back to Parastroy after a 30 day break or will the parasites now be resistant to those herbs?

Thanks.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I have taken antiparasitics such as Humaworm, Parastroy, Rascal and Hanna Kroeger Wormwood combo along with salt/c for the past 7yrs with no adverse reaction.

I took a break several yrs ago as Humaworm suggested and for me it was a mistake. As I have mentioned before some of these parasites are laying 200,000 eggs a day, so multiply that by 3 mos.

This is a hyperinfection and if they are coming out of different orfices when attacked that is very telling. I also take salt/c. The parasites kept dying and did not seem to bu

ild up any resistence. At times I even combined Parastroy with Hanna Kroeger Wormwood Combo, adding Super Digestaway by Soloray (also antiparasitic and extra cloves and of course salt/c. I am 95% better, just getting rid of some smaller parasites that seem to have been hiding.

It really is like peeling an onion. If you are seeing them exit, apparently the herbs are still working, and if you stop, they will just keep multiplying.

This is just my personal experience, and am certainly not telling anyone else what to do. It just made sense to me.

Cattail,

adding salt/c should make them start exiting.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ditto what Gael said: "if you stop, they will just keep multiplying". I have taken humaworm for 4 months solid before, but when I took a break the worms stopped exiting, and I slid backwards.

It is simply not worth it for me to do all that work just to slide backwards, so I continue. You can always do coffee enemas to clear your liver.

[ 04-17-2014, 08:54 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by Cattail (Member # 24357) on :
 
Thank you Gael , Catgirl. I will finish my Parastry and then try Humaworm or the Hanna Kroeger next. I am also doing salt C, coconut oil or water, amd cloves.
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
I like Humaworm, because I am allergic to some herbs and they will make it without the ginger and garlic that I am allergic to.

I do take a break like they recommend, but I notice that after a month or so, I don't feel that great, so I probably need to do more.

I do worry the herbs will wipe out the good flora and good yeast, which is why I take a break to replenish those.

Gael--do you take probiotics or Sacch. boulaardi?

I did salt/vitamin C straight for a year and never felt any better. Now my blood pressure is too high (not due to that protocol as that was several years ago).

I am reading about Lufenuron and it may work on parasites, too. It is a common ingredient in pills for cats and dogs for heartworm etc, so I think it could work systemically and as well as in the digestive tract.

Great thread!

Hiker53
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hiker,

I drink plain kefir. Doing the salt/c And the herbs packs a bigger punch. The parasites can't stand the salt because it dehydrates them and so they run for any exit they can find.

Gael
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
I also like diatomaceous earth. One of the first signs that I am going downhill is my need for diatomaceous earth. It is pretty cheap to get, too.
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Cold Laser parasite treatments

A post of cure zone about cold laser and a doctor using cold laser to kill them and biofilms.

Also
Cold Laser for parasites and viruses

There are many sites and mentions of this technology for killing infections and dissolving biofilms and fats plus modulating and energizing cells that are stuck depleted from diseases
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I also notice that I am feeling worse off Humaworm. My acne, bloating, edema, and scalp / ear twitching is back. NOT happy about this.

Am thinking about going back on....
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Springshowers,

Thanks so much for sharing the info on cold lasers. Good to see you and hear that you are doing so much better.

Gael
 
Posted by springshowers (Member # 19863) on :
 
Hey Gael ! Miss you
Glad your still here helping so many !
Your amazing !
[Wink]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks...Have missed you too SS. Always wishing you a speedy recovery on this crazy journey. Sometimes I think it is the way of the shaman for many of us. [Cool] [Smile]

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I have been taking Kroeger Wormwood Complex as well as Salt C (up to only 3 g per day) over the past couple of weeks after learning that another lyme friend had parasites living in her jaw! (a discovery made during recent jaw cavitation surgery [Frown] ).

I think I finally passed my first worm. It was pure white and about 2" long. My question is... will salt C and this herbal remedy help to remove parasites from other places besides the intestines or GI tract?

Most of my symptoms are in my head and jaw - also a pleurisy like feeling in my lungs. (I worry about lung worm) I use the neti pot daily (with sea salt, baking soda and xylitol). This helps to provide some relief.

I have been taking cholestryamine, but am going to stop this when it runs out in a couple of days. I am taking metal sweep from biopure, which goes after heavy metals. Should I add any binders to my regimen like chlorella? charcoal?

I won't see my new lyme doc for a couple of weeks and just wondered if I should be doing anything else while waiting. Thanks for your help!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dpbei.

Glad you are seeing some results (worm) This combo of salt/c and herbs chased the parasites from every area of my body including my head and jaw.

I did eventually increase the salt/c to 20gms a day very slowly in divided doses thru the day. If you can increase your salt/c even a little that will help.

Vitamin C can especially help asthma/lung symptoms since it is reported that asthma sufferers are low in vit c. Warm water enemas will help release dead and dying parasites from the lower colon.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks Gael. I will continue to ramp up very slowly and perhaps go back to doing enemas. It is so creepy to think they could be causing all of these symptoms. I guess there is only one way to find out!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Dbpei (worm)!

I think parasites are linked to so many problems, diseases/issues. There is just so little known about them in western medicine, as they don't think they exist here.

Metal sweep should be taking stuff away for you. You can always add chlorella or charcoal if you want to. It would be helpful if you muscle tested them. I energy test everything, including binders. My body wants different stuff on different days.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
I came here thinking harmony would be posting here now

Hope she is doing ok

So-i will be back soon. I am just finishing up some fungal tx and before that i went after Bb and other bugs herbally and plan to get back on salt c in a few days...this time i will want to add something stronger than humaworm too

Thanks for this thread!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Whoa, I passed a 20 inch worm (so gross)! It still amazes me these worms have been living silently inside me.

Keep fighting warriors! It took me well over a year of treating before I saw any obvious evidence of them.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl... [woohoo] About 6 yrs ago I passed a number of 20" worms (guessing 5-7..Can't remember exactly) These are considered giant roundworms. Couldn't believe what I was seeing! Hope you chase more of these monsters out Catgirl. It's not even a full moon yet!

Just a reminder....persistence is KEY. These parasites hold on for dear life. The pressure of the enemas also helped to push them out. GOOD LUCK EVERYONE !

Gael

[ 04-30-2014, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: glm1111 ]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael! :) So true (enemas)!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Better out than in!
!YAY! Catgirl!!!

I haven't seen one of those yet...something to look forward too [Smile]

(it's sick, the way my humor works these days!)

Congrats! what are you taking currently?
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,

Question. I am injecting myself with heparin subcutaneously in abdomen.

My biggest problem is constant pain pressure in my head, frontal, behind eyes, sinuses, bridge of nose, etc.

I've seen on youtube where doctors inject patients in the forehead with botox and in the bridge of the nose. Does anyone know if I could inject heparin in my forehead and bridge of my nose?

I was just thinking since this is my biggest problem.

Thoughts...

Thanks,
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
mlg, I would speak to your LLMD. Sounds risky to me. There are a few good threads on sinus issues here.

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/127480#000000

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/1/128420?#000000

Catgirl, OMG! You must feel so amazed to get this out of your body. After doing this for a year or more, do you feel like getting rid of the parasites is key for you - helping you to feel better? What are you taking right now for herbs/meds?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Greta & Dbpei! [Smile] Yes, I felt much better passing it (toxins out too). I definitely am feeling better so I do feel like parasites are key for me.

I take humaworm, hanna kroeger wormwood combo, rascal, Dr. Clark stuff, DE, and any tinctures I can get my hands on (more but can't remember everything right now). I basically have an arsenal of parasitic herbs/tinctures/products that I rotate because the bugs just adapt if I don't.

I also eat a little something sweet with the parasite herbs (just a tiny piece of something). They cannot resist sweets, so that's when they actually eat along with the parasitic stuff.

The one thing I've noticed through energy testing though is that the bugs really do release a lot of metals. I've been testing positive for heavy metals about every three days, so I up the binders on those days.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Good news, Catgirl. 20 inch worms certainly can't be missed!

I will be moving on to the Elle Belle Eliminateur blend of herbs next to give the Hanna K herbs a break. Still haven't seen any definite visual 'evidence', but then many parasites are microscopic anyway.

So glad that you are feeling better.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Catgirl, thanks for providing the info. Do you take all of those things at once?? Wow! I am finding the salt C is starting to cause some burning in my stomach so not sure I want to continue with it. I will be seeing a LLND in a couple of weeks and hopefully get some guidance from her on this.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Wow Cat! She keeps rotating and working it, weakening them.

I personally am continuing to get rid of liver flukes (and always had normal liver tests)

My diet has a good amount of fat in it (healthy fats) and Enhansa, treating yeast, lipo C, and drinking smooth move tea every other night seems to keep flushing them out-

I've never done a liver flush, but think what I am doing is similar. I know when I used to do coffee enemas I'd see them, too. Has to end sometime? I'm still embarrassed to post here.
But it's real.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dpbei,

You should drink extra water when doing salt/c. Should be equal amnts in a glass of water. What kind of sea salt and vitamin C are you using and what dose? Enemas are also beneficial to release dead and dying toxins and parasites from lower colon. Parasites are also known to cause pain.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks for the tips Gael. I am definitely drinking plenty of water. I am taking pink Himalayan sea salt that I bought at Salt Works and I bought Vit C at General Nutrition. It is timed release with bioflavonoids and rose hips. Maybe I will just stay at 4 g (instead of 5)for a while and see how it goes.

I tried coconut water but hated the taste. I got it at Trader Joe's. Maybe I will have it with a little pomegranate juice and see if it tastes better to me.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Powder vitamin C with bioflavonoids mixed in the water with sea salt is best and at equal amnts. Not sure if time released is a good idea. Just my thoughts, but you may want to give that a try. I use Ester C powder from American health and buy it at Vitacost.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Ukcarry! Elle Belle looks good. :)

Dbpei, you're welcome. :) No, I don't take all that stuff at once. I do combine some of them though. I also combine stuff with salt c sometimes.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Surprise = I love smooth move! ain't it great?

All -- I feel bad off Humaworm, think I am going to go back on even though it has not been 90 days break. I think it hits bartonella too.

Do people think it wipes out good flora?
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
What herbs are in Elle Belle Eliminateur? I could not find the ingredients on the web?

Hiker53
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Hi Hiker, the Elle Belle Eliminateur contains :
Cinnamon bark powder
Clove
****ake mushrooms
Garlic powder extract
Glucomannan
Pumpkin seed
Chicory root,
Cayenne extract
Fenugreek seed
Olive leaf extract and magnesium caprylate.

I will post any opinions worth sharing on it when I get started on it. I don't know if it is available in USA.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CD57:

Do people think it wipes out good flora?

No (not my experience).
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
Actually I do think the herbs wipe out good flora. How can they discriminate between good yeast and bad yeast? How can they tell the difference between good bacteria and bad bacteria?

I called Humaworm and they told me not to waste the money on the probiotics etc. while taking Humaworm as it would kill them.

I do try to eat yogurt, though, and when I finish my 30 days of Humaworm I will take probiotics and Sacch. boulardii.

This is just my opinion.

Hiker53
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
UKCarry--Thanks for the info on the Elle Belle. I am a bit allergic to garlic, but I wonder if I could take this as it seems so different from the other ones I have tried (except for the garlic).

Hiker53
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Hiker, I have to be careful too with garlic: the freeze dried capsules of garlic i tried a few years ago really stressed my liver because of genetic polymorphisms......but I did cope with the amount of garlic in Kroeger's Rascal, for example, so am hoping that will also be the case with Elle Belle Eliminateur.

I must confess to being entranced by the name of the product too!
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Hi all,

I have done almost all the lyme protocols. Nothing did much. Even no real herxing.

My brain is still full of cotton candy and my energy is like an old chevy. It is so depressing/

I just started some parasite herbs like Parastroy and some Mebendazole.

Anyone think I might find some solutions trying to get the parasites?

I am also doing rife work on the parasites.

Thanks.

[ 05-03-2014, 07:50 PM: Message edited by: patches10025 ]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
patches,

Adding salt/c to the herbs helps kill the parasites. The combo packs a punch because the parasites can't stand the salt. It dehydrates them. Not sure about adding the Mebenazole tho.

Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Ok, Thanks. I am using a little S/C now.

Feeling quite toxic...is that a good sign?


I hope so.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
If you are feeling toxic, consider doing warm water enemas to release toxins and parasites from the lower colon. Make sure you are drinking plenty of water also.

Gael
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Thanks. Toxic is good...right? Killing them? LOL

I'm doing coffee enemas, caster oil packs, and some MMS enemas...

I should be well very soon? LOL
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
If I could afford it, I would do a series of colonics.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Me too patches, me too.

Can barely afford toilet paper, and lord knows it is necessary. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Greetings parasitic warriors!

I am surprised that the CDC made this public. Maybe they were just misguided by bad Lyme studies & direction. The fact that they have willingly upped their Lyme numbers is a good indication & we can be hopeful after all?


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152211838926026&set=a.184668026025.127093.76625396025&type=1&theater
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Lymedin,

Thanks so much for posting this info. Tried to respond to make people aware of lymenet and this thread about so many with lyme dealing with parasites. Are you able to post there?

Gael
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Done deal!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Is this normal? I have been taking Hanna Kroeger Wormwood complex for about a month (or more) at recommended dose (2 caplets before meals). I began Salt C and got up to about 5 g per day doing okay and then had a sudden, terrible explosion of tinnitus and buzzing symptoms with herxing as well.

I slowed down on the Salt C and am now just at 2 or 3 g per day. Still on HK herbs. I have a lot of new symptoms and don't know what to make of this. I have never had some of these before.

pain in sides and top of feet (totally new for me!)
hand pain
migrating finger joint pain
extreme head aches on some days
malaise/fatigue
bug crawling sensations in different body parts
gurgling in tummy with intestinal movement as I lie flat before going to sleep
burning and tingling in feet, hands, neck, head and sometimes a shoulder, arm... (various spots)
more internal vibrations in head
increase in tinnitus
crying easily
increase in buzzing sensations in head
ears getting worse instead of better (muffled sound as though head under water when I hear my voice or listen to sound)

These symptoms seem like a relapse of Lyme or a coinfection like bart. Can getting rid of parasites do this?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi dbpei,
Sounds like you are doing everything right!

Are you doing full dose of the Hanna Kroeger? Is it the full kit with Cloves?

If you don't already have cloves in your arsenal-I would add them in.

Everything you describe, except the tinnitus, happens to me when I start to p/o the parasites.

I read once that our emotions are actually dictated by the parasites we have.

So if you are restless, emotional etc, it's because you're agitating them.

Have you seen any in the toilet?

I would try increasing fibre. Like added some psyllium husks to a glass of water and drinking down.

Apples for the apple pectin.

If you don't already enema, I would try a lukewarm slightly salty enema to pull them out.

When I had sysmptoms like yours, the gurgly stomach, I had what looked like dried curled tomato skins in the toilet, and twig like things.

These were liver flukes.

They tend to make me dypsepsic (sp?). When I see those in the toilet.

Sorry for the graphic description.

Also be on the lookout for things that resemble rice, hair, thread, or chia seeds. (unless you eat chia seeds...then disregard. Haha)

Do you drink coconut water? The potassium in the coconut water helps to offset the sodium in salt/c.

Others will chime in.

Just wanted to tell you I think you're doing a great job!

Even though you feel yucky right now, I feel like you're getting to them. Yay! [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dbpei.

Sounds like you are stirring up the parasites and herxing. Really consider a warm water enema to release the dead and dying parasites from the lower colon. The crawling, buzzing and crying are all indicative of the salt/c and herbs working.

If it gets too rough, take a break from the herbs and salt/c until it calms down and then ramp back up. Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I have a question about Salt-c. We're always told to hydrate and drink water. Does drinking a lot of water dilute the salt-c protocol? How can we dehydrate the bugs if we are constantly hydrating with water/coconut water?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I am glad to hear this, Greta and gael. I had something that looked like a small white worm a few weeks ago Greta, but since then - nothing unusual. I will try the enema when privacy permits!

I am taking the HK formula with cloves and also have several fresh cloves every day in my tea. It makes my mouth feel fresh. [Smile]

I meet with my new LLND next week. Hoping she can give me some additional support and guidance. Thanks so much!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
lymeboy,

Drinking salt/c with extra water allows the salt to go into the tissues and other areas of the body. It will still dehydrate them, however, the higher doses will even dehydrate them further.

I worked my way up to 20gms of salt/c in divided doses of 5mg each 4 x a day. Not saying you should go that high, but that's what I did.

VERY important to drink extra water when doing salt/c so you don't get dehydrated. You can tell what doses are effective by how much you herx.

Gael
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I'm at 16 gms. I use the mixture method and sip from a small bottle about 5-6x/day. I am sure I can handle 20. I have not had a tremedous amount of herxing with this. But I did start getting 4-6 week flares.
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Is Humaworm safe to use in conjunction with minocycline?
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/parasites-causing-infections-in-the-us-cdc-says/
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks for posting tutu!

Amazing that this info about parasites is just coming out now.(better late then never) So many people with chronic diseases here in this country are being affected and the medical community has been so unaware.

Our grandparents new that parasites were a problem in humans as well as our pets. Our docs are just not educated enough in this country about parasites.

They just treat symptoms of diseases with pharma drugs and never get to the cause. It's a shame so many people are suffering in ignorance.

Gael
 
Posted by 2roads (Member # 4409) on :
 
ok, so what is the medical treatment for all of this?

What if you want to address it with over-the-counter meds....

ugh
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
There is pin x in drugstores for pin worms. You would need a script for the other antiparasitics such as albendazole, alinia, Ivermectin etc.

The other alternative is antiparasitic herbs such as parastroy, Hanna Kroeger Wormwood Combo and others you can purchase on line or at a Vitamin Shoppe. Salt/c is another option n combo with the herbs.

It can take several yrs to get rid of these kinds of infections that most likely have disseminated in immunocompromised patients. No easy quick fix.

Gael
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
How do you know if parasites are causing problems outside of digestion?

How do you know if things are improved if you have no change in symptoms after one month of anti-parasite formulas?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
For me it was "seeing" them (parasites) exit into the toilet. However it took six mos of herbs. Had no idea I had parasites, I was using herbs with wormwood and other strong Chinese and South American herbs from "The Monastery of Herbs) targeted for Lyme, babs and bart.

It was when I added salt/c to the mix that they started to exit en mass. I had liver flukes exit and my asthma cleared up from my lungs. Also could feel crawling in my scalp and other areas of my body.

One mos of antiparasitic herbs is usually not enough to see results, however, I have seen people post that they had worms exiting when starting salt/c.

Gael
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Does anyone know if I can take Humaworm while on minocycline?


Also...I am not up to day with herbal treatments for BB. Do any of the ingredients in Humaworm overlap and treat BB?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Humaworm has specific herbs for Lyme. Not sure about minocycline and Humaworm, but have seen people on here post about taking antiparasitic herbs while on abx.

Taking them 1-2 hours apart was what was suggested. According to lymestrategies (salt/c group) sea salt kills bb. The combo of antiparasitic herbs and salt/c packs qute a punch against many pathogens and has been my personal experience.

Gael
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
My personal experience with salt/C showed no change in anything. I did the protocol for a full year--didn't feel worse, but didn't feel better.

For me personally I don't think it works. Yes, salt is supposed to dehydrate parasites, but in doing so it would also dehydrate your own body cells.

That is why we cannot survive on ocean water.

So, to prevent that dehydration of our body cells we have to drink extra water--as Gael always recommends. Well that will just hydrate the parasitic worms, too.

Just my opinion. If it works for you, great.

Hiker53
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Even with drinking the extra water, the parasites are still receiving doses of salt. If you ever have gone to the ER and were given IV saline because you were dehydrated, your tissues would still get the needed salt even though it's a diluted solution. Continuos doses of salt even diluted will eventually dry out the parasites.

Sorry you didn't have a beneficial experience from the salt/c Hiker. Wondering what dose you went up too? Perhaps adding antiparasitic herbs along with the salt/c would be beneficial.

Could be worth a shot. At any rate, the sea salt and vit c are very benficial to the adrenals and the vit c helps build the immune system as well.

Gael
 
Posted by ms dixie (Member # 40818) on :
 
Has anyone tried clove oil or distilled cinnamon leaf oil drops for parasites? Both are known to effect parasites and bacteria. ( And yes I do realize they are potent and must be used carefully to avoid hurting the gut ) .

These seem like possibilities worth exploring .....Has anyone tried?
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
I use clove essential oil or Thieves essential oil, but I put the drop just on my skin above my belly button. There is a large artery below and my theory is that the oil will be absorbed some and hit the circulating bloodstream.

I am also taking clove capsules, olive oil extract, and black walnut right now. Finished my 30 days of Humaworm and am going to try another brand that does not have wormwood.

By the way, Humaworm, as of this month, will no longer tailor their capsules to your individual needs. I was bummed as I am allergic to garlic and ginger and they used to remove it for me. They pack the capsules fresh every day.

Hiker53
 
Posted by ms dixie (Member # 40818) on :
 
Thanks. I have read other boards that indicated clove oil has been used internally - one drop in a carrier oil in a capsule, to avoid stomach irritation.

I also read a few positive posts about steam distilled cinnamon leaf taken 2-2 drops for lyme ( found this story at an amazon review. )

Clove oil contains a powerful pathogen killer called EUGENOL . I am seriously thinking of taking one drop in a capsule with some olive oil, and drinking with a big glass of water.

I will post again later if I try this . It seems reasonable to try with one drop in an oil base .
 
Posted by ms dixie (Member # 40818) on :
 
Thanks. I have read other boards that indicated clove oil has been used internally - one drop in a carrier oil in a capsule, to avoid stomach irritation.

I also read a few positive posts about steam distilled cinnamon leaf taken 2-2 drops for lyme ( found this story at an amazon review. )

Clove oil contains a powerful pathogen killer called EUGENOL . I am seriously thinking of taking one drop in a capsule with some olive oil, and drinking with a big glass of water.

I will post again later if I try this . It seems reasonable to try with one drop in an oil base .
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
I have had one drop of clove oil before in a glass of water, but you need to use a make that is safe to take internally.

Dr S included it in his book on Bartonella, but didn't endorse it; just said that some of his patients said anecdotally that it had some effect.

**edited name of LLMD**

[ 06-02-2014, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: Lymetoo ]
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Hey you guys. I havent been here in awhile. I hope to get starte. By mid june. I have some other stuff i have to do first

Im writing to tell you about a thread in general about building a microscope from a smart phone

I havent done it but it gave me the idea to take pics od wierd things that come out of me and use the zoom

It works..i always used to think i was seeing worms but couldnt be sure cuz my eyes are so bad
 
Posted by JasminD (Member # 43861) on :
 
Hello, I am new here. I am suspecting I have pinworms etc and really want to start eliminating these critters. I would like to ask what thyme, neem, black walnuts, wormwood, cloves and •Diatomaceous earth do you recommend?
Thanks!
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Well I am on day 4 of Humaworm.

I have fealt nothing. I know its early, but I was just curious when people started to see improvement?

I was worried to take it, but didn't feel any worse since I have been on it (die-off).

I duno...I am 1/8 of the way through...I guess I am ancxious. [Smile]
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Honestly, Humaworm was the least effective for me.

I felt a slight increase in energy at about week 3.

But didn't "see" any results from it.

However, lots have had improvement with it.

I suspect tinctures are more effective for me.

Are you taking additional fibre while on humaworm?

I can't say when you will "see" results-probably a few months in, I suspect.

Others will weigh in.
 
Posted by twinnick (Member # 43163) on :
 
Thanks Greta for the feedback.

I am hoping I feel some results in the next few weeks. I would like to hear others experiences using it.

I haven't "seen" anything, but I am not one to look. [Smile]

I am more or less trying to determine whether or not I 'feel' any different. Without thinking about it too much...that's the tough part, thinking about it too much.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
treating resistant babesia then try anti-worming meds
http://lymevlog.wordpress.com/2014/06/04/treat-babesia-with-anthelmintics-not-antimalarials-ii-learned-after-eight-years/
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Hello everyone, just wanted to chime in and say that I recently started taking artimisinan sod and though it is said to be for babs I have actually started passing worms.

Don't know if anyone else has experienced this. Would be interested to find out

I am also currently doing blood ozone And chelation treatments
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I took six mos of very strong Chinese herbs (Monastery of Herbs) and when I added salt/c to the mix, I started having a mass exodus of parasites that lasted for mos.

The herbs were doing the killing as I felt movement and started to get bumps on my scalp(parasites pushing through)www.lymephotos.com This is some of what started to exit.

Parasites that have made their home in our bodies will hang on for dear life. In some cases it can take many mos of persistence for them to let go, and many yrs to get rid of ll the larva and eggs.

The salt/c dehydrates the parasites and makes them run for the hills because they can't stand it. Anyone frustrated with the herbs alone should consider adding the salt/c.

Reminder....Full Moon ahead on the 12th.

Gael
 
Posted by sickoflyme2005 (Member # 43410) on :
 
What is salt/c?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
www.lymephotos.com

This website will explain it and you can check out the salt/c group at lymestrategies. The original protocol calls for sodium chloride tablets and vitamin C. The more up to date salt/c protocol uses Himalayan sea salt or real salt.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
That is super interesting Maya!

I hope to start arteminisin soon.

Yes, I agree with Gael.

I take cloves every day (which are supposed to kill eggs), and my Parasite Purge tincture, plus one called Candida Combat, which has pau d'arco and garlic and Oregon grape.

I would say 20% of what comes out every day is worm/worm looking things.

It is disgusting and neverending.

Homemade fermented veggies and kefir every day stop the cramping.

Salt C keeps killing them.

I have odd sores that pop up on my chest and back and grainy things in my scalp when I am diligent with the salt C. I also had the weird nose thing that time.

I am only at 1 tsp each per day... About 5 grams each. Nowhere near to max dose. But it works for me at this lower dose, so I stick to it.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Maya!

Mlg, interesting piece!

Jasmine, welcome. I know there are some OTC products for pinworms such as Reese's or Pin X.

Thanks LP (will check it out in general)!

Keep fighting warriors (the full moon is coming up)!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Why, I get the irritated bloody nose with strange things...

"Rope worms tend to migrate upwards and this can lead to discharge in the nose and throat which often starts while holding the enema "

Also explains the nausea during the enemas.

Borrowed from:
http://www.betterhealthguy.com/healing-lyme-without-antibiotics
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Has anyone tried this anti parasite treatment?

http://www.kauaiherbals.com/gi-infusions-detox-kit/

or this?

http://www.kauaiherbals.com/gi-infusions-seed-blend/
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
No offense to anyone, but nothing about rope worms has been published in a peer review journal and none of those who supposedly discovered rope worm are doctors (some have PhD's. but are engineers). Not sure I believe in rope worms, although I certainly believe in parasitic infections.

Also supposedly rope worms have been found to only have human DNA. That doesn't even make sense.

http://www.bloglovin.com/viewer?post=2870976877&group=0&frame_type=b&blog=1920581&frame=1&click=0&user=0
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Greta, I haven't tried those products (looks interesting), but have tried papaya seed (not that type of papaya though). Papaya helped with pin worms, and possibly something else (can't remember). Thanks for posting the BHG link (fascinating)!

Hiker, I hear what you're saying, and am not offended. :) I can't explain why they have human DNA (bizarre). Either way, they are gross and I want them out of me.

I don't really follow the peer reviewed journals. 2/3 of them are skewed anyway (follow the funding).

Unfortunately, parasites are the final frontier for modern medicine. They are designed by nature to avoid detection. Perhaps this is what the rope worm is doing.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
Good point cat girl about the rope avoiding human detection.

Gotta say the art is really kicking my butt but I think I am passing worms now and know I passed a 3 to 4 inch piece of possibly rope a few days ago.

Sure hits you emotionally though.
 
Posted by SickSci (Member # 43849) on :
 
Hey Maya12 -

Can you expound upon "sure hits you emotionally'?

You mean the trauma of what you're passing? Or increased neuropsych symptoms since treating with art?
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
Aside from a few tiny worms that came out of my gums several years ago, I have never seen a worm (in my stools).

I suspect most of mine are the microscopic ones in the blood stream. Hey worms, you are going down and I am going to win this battle. [rant]

SickSci--I can't speak for Maya, but I know when I kill some stuff and get toxins, I feel a bit down/sad--not my usual self.

Hiker53
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
Gael - Are you now well or close to well? How many years have you treated parasites?

I know you post about this a lot, does this mean that you are mostly well now? Do you still have problems with your scalp? That's one of my symptoms that never seems to go away.

I have no doubt that parasites were one of the missing links in my treatment, but still on the path to wellness.

Just curious.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hiker53:
Hey worms, you are going down and I am going to win this battle. [rant]
Hiker53

Ha ha! They ARE going down (good for you)! Keep up the good work, as I truly believe we all have them.

I fought for so long to see anything. The worms held on as long as they could. I just kept at it and they finally started coming out.

Have you tried taking something sweet with the parasite herbs? They get their poison and food at the same time. But if you normally eat sweets, they will just wait for another meal (clever). Also, coffee enemas have been instrumental in getting them out of me.

IMO, everything you do contributes to them eventually coming out.

[ 06-16-2014, 12:58 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Maya, I am so happy to hear you are passing worms. Most of the time people don't even see them due to autolysis: some worms (like the rope worm) release an enzyme when they know they are dying which helps to dissolve them so the rest are not detected (protects the clan). So the host doesn't seen anything and gives up on parasite treatment.

It also makes them difficult for any lab to diagnose. Nature makes some sort of protection for everything. They can't run and hide once they are dying & passing through your colon, so this is the best they can do.

Hang in there, and keep up the good work. [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I haven't tried this product yet, but check out the video.

http://www.markusrothkranz.com/parasitefree/parasite_free.html
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Ugh!

The product looks good. I like the ingredients and the lack of fillers in the capsules.
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
I have been using the Spoky2 Rife machine for a few months. I really have not seen much reaction to it until just recently when I ran a whole series of parasite frequencies.

These are the ones I ran. I am feeling even more "out of it" now which gives me some hope that the rifing is working. Stay tuned...

Parasites Blood Flukes (CAFL)
Parasites Ascaris (CAFL)
Parasites Brain and Spinal Flukes (CAFL)
Parasites General Comprehensive 1/2 (CAFL)
Parasites General Comprehensive 2/2 (CAFL)
Toxoplasma (Human Strain) (HC)
Toxoplasmosis (BIO)
Flukeworm (BIO)
Liver Flukes 1 (XTRA)
Liver Flukes 2 (XTRA)
Parasites Pancreatic Flukes (CAFL)
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Oh I forgot. These are all frequency sets from various rife sites. Spooky carries them in the software.


http://www.spooky2.com/
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Patches, have you seen any worms? I've always been curious/interested in rife.
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
No, but I just started in earnest.

Spooky2 is quite amazing and very reasonable. Now all I need are some good results!
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Sounds interesting: let us know how you get on!
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
I will...
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Patches-thanks so much for posting. I am curious about those freqenncies also. I run TBD freqencies on my zapper. Was considering doing parasite ones too.

Wasn't feeling too good the last few days. Did salt water enema with Parasite Purge tincture in it and then followed with two more salt water enemas and a coffee enema.

Following now with some salt/C and lemon water.

I am considering starting bentonite clay internally but am not sure how much to take per day.

Any suggestions?
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone here use triclabendazole before for flukes that didn't go with prazi or other medicines, remedies ?

Any tips to getting rid of stubborn flukes (besides the herbs - wormwood and walnutt hulls, etc.)?

Thanks
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I haven't tried that one, but have tried albenza. Albenza made a dent, but the bugs came back. It takes a village to knock them back. You have to keep chipping away at it.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
It is crazy how they can survive meds and all these things. Anyone have any supplements or remedies they've seen success with outside wormwood mixes?

Someone showed me this Ayurvedic mix tho I'm not sure how strong it is or anything http://www.banyanbotanicals.com/prodinfo.asp?number=1221

Was also recommended - neem, boswellia and myrrh. Also apparently goldenseal leaf can potentially help with drug resistance from the bugs.

[ 06-28-2014, 09:38 PM: Message edited by: Xelaetaks ]
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Folks -- I am on some parasite stuff and in my coffee enema today thought I saw tomato skin looking things and tiny yellow dots which could be eggs? Never have I seen a rope worm or other stuff that many report here.

Any idea what the little red skin looking things could be, and the little yellow dots? And what is the significance?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
CD57, I have the little yellow flecks or dots whenever I take cholestryamine. Flax seed also causes this for me. By any chance are you taking either?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The tomato skin looking things are flukes. The tiny yellow dots could be tapeworm segments. For those on just herbal antiparasitics, adding salt/c really packs a punch to the parasites and makes them let go.

They can't stand the salt because it dehydrates them putting them into osmotic shock and they run for the hills.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Tomato skins, tiny brown twigs, cherry skin, sometimes black blueberry skin looking things flukes for sure.

Did you experience any weird flutters in your liver or gallbladder area? I often wonder how they can be so big but we don't feel them. At least I don't.

I've had those seedy things too. Plus weird red seeds that look bright like red currants but super small like chia seeds. They seem to glaom together, like the fish eggs they put on sushi.

Yuck.
Good for you CD for getting them out.
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
I am currently taking Purify (no wormwood) plus the Kroeger clove. It seems to help.

I say "seems" to help, because I never see anything, but I think a lot of mine must be in the bloodstream and not digestive--otherwise my year using salt/C I am sure would have seen something.

Hiker53
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone here experience scattering with herbs before? Some people think that herbs if not strong enough may cause some parasites to move around the body if it isn't killing them. In example cause them to avoid wherever herbs are effecting,

This isn't scientific by any means but seem feel that way and I think it's happened to me over past few years. Some people also say herbs may just make them become more noticable.

For me flutters can happen around liver and galbladder areas. Oddly enough these things seem not to show up on radiology tests. A doctor in St. Louis - Simon Yu did say on his tests liver and galbladder areas showed up as being out of balance.

Anyway, trying meds and may incorporate herbs again later on if appropriate. Got myyrh recently that is said to have effect on flukes and some herbs that are said to be effective with lyme disease.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I had liver flukes - still see them once in awhile.

I've done a lot of stuff for parasites, and have been at it for a long time, at times more aggressively than other times, and, IMO,

the flukes need to be 'flushed' out. That's why people often see them after coffee enemas, or why salt/C has success, it forces them out.

I found when I went Paleo diet (substantially increasing good fats) adding high dose Curcumin (anti inflammatory, etc,)
and then got my bowels moving with natural laxatives and/ or enema, I saw flukes expelled. Perhaps the fats and then purge forced them out of liver and bile duct area.

Can't imagine keeping and obtaining good health if a liver is congested with these things.
BTW, always have had normal liver functions on tests.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Also, doing castor oil packs over whole liver/ stomach area, then enema next day gets them out, too.
Yuck.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Is the purify cleanse strong enough to get flukes? Also anyone think enema is essential? Will any enema do like ones you can find at chain stores?

Thanks
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
I'm on the Purify The Life Tree tincture and am not super impressed but didn't want the wormwood in Humaworm for awhile.

Interesting about tiny brown twigs, tomato skins. Have not seen the weird stuff like fish eggs Greta but who knows?

Only see in coffee enemas.
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
CD57--I am taking the Purify capsules and I don't think it is that strong, either, but I need a break from wormwood.

I am adding the clove and also some capsules of black walnut and sometimes olive leaf extract.

Hiker53
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
I am changing my mind about Purify. I have been constantly treating parasites for a year or so with different herbal combinations.

I recently started Purify from Life Formulas and added extra Hannah Kroeger clove and some black walnut and olive leaf extract. Felt lousy.

Then (think outside the box now) I went to my energy healer Wednesday and we prayed that she would kill parasites and parasite eggs. She sees colors of light and silver is a killing color.

She said right after the prayer when she touched me the silver light flew to the digestive tract like little pinpoints as if each point was killing something.

Sue surprised me as I always thought I just had worms in the blood.

Have felt pretty lousy every since and for the first time had to get out my detox items that I have only previously used for metal detox. Leads me to think parasites were killed and released metals.

Terrible diarrhea today and I am not sure what was in it, but I am hoping a whole bunch of parasites. I know there was some blood, but that might be a hemorrhoid.

I do use energy testing the past few days the only herb testing positive was black walnut and tonight that did not even test positive.

For a few days Sacch. boulardii was needed and now it seems just bacterial probiotics are needed.

Hiker53
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
Also, full moon coming up on Saturday. I am going back to energy healer on Friday and have her use her God given powers.

I also read today that flatworms--like tapeworms--like the full moon, but a lot of roundworms become more active during the new moon.

Also, does anyone feel like their mouth is constantly filled with mucous. I have no sinus problems or cough, but this has gone on for months.

Blessings.

Hiker53
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I had high liver enzymes while on Hanna Kroeger Wormwood complex. My LLND told me these herbs are pretty strong and can stress the liver. Once off, my liver enzymes came down. I was only on these herbs for about 2 months.

I will ask my LLND for some guidance when I return to her, but wondered if anyone else had run into this.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
No, but I eat a little broccoli and also dandelion/tea, so I am getting some detox with them. Also, coffee enemas clean my liver out.

Hanna Kroeger is strong though. Have you tried taking binders before you take it? Maybe more detox support will help.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks for the tips catgirl. I eat tons of raw veggies and greens and have been drinking Yogi Detox tea. I am pretty sure I was taking chlorella about 20 minutes before my meals and I took the wormwood complex right before or with my meals like the instructions said.

It was probably something in the wormwood complex that was taxing my liver for some reason. I have been taking milk thistle too. I probably need to try a different product. I didn't realize how powerful these herbs could be.

I have not been good about doing the coffee enemas. This might be something that I need to get brave enough to try too.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hiker, mixing the herbs makes me feel lousy too. I have to take binders for this. Also, lousy for me means it's killing something, then I see it in the bowl the next day.

Mucus, are you eating/drinking any dairy? Parasites love it. It's actually good bait for killing them. Also, cloves kill the eggs.

About energy testing, it has been my experience that the bugs affect my ability to test positive for any parasite product the week before a full moon. This happens like clock work every single month.

IMO, this is the best time only to ignore the energy tests for products, as the parasites are affecting the outcome (amazes me). You will need minimum the three main herbs to kill them: cloves, wormwood, black walnut hull.

P.S. Good for you for finding an energy healer. :)
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Xelaetaks:
Is the purify cleanse strong enough to get flukes? Also anyone think enema is essential? Will any enema do like ones you can find at chain stores?

Thanks

Parasites are tough to get out. It's their job to remain in their home so they can live. It just takes time, patience, and pressure by turning up the heat. You have to try different things as no one thing does it. It's the combination of doing different things that has helped me to eliminate them.

IMO, you cannot get them out without enemas. You might get some, but enemas are mandatory if you really want them out. Have you tried a coffee enema yet? Jump in. I was surprised how much better I felt. [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dbpei, coffee enemas can make all the difference. I just bumped an old thread, check it out. Jump in!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Everyone, Gael has said this a thousand times but remember the salt/c. Mixing it with herbs really does kill parasites.

Hang in there, this full moon feels like a bad one.
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
Thanks, Catgirl. I think if I take any more herbs my body will just shut down. I about puke them up now.

How long after the herbs do you take the binders and what do you take?

Hopefully I can get the energy healer to test me soon and not wait until Friday, but she is so busy I will probably just have to wait.

Hiker53
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Catgirl:
quote:
Originally posted by Xelaetaks:
Is the purify cleanse strong enough to get flukes? Also anyone think enema is essential? Will any enema do like ones you can find at chain stores?

Thanks

Parasites are tough to get out. It's their job to remain in their home so they can live. It just takes time, patience, and pressure by turning up the heat. You have to try different things as no one thing does it. It's the combination of doing different things that has helped me to eliminate them.

IMO, you cannot get them out without enemas. You might get some, but enemas are mandatory if you really want them out. Have you tried a coffee enema yet? Jump in. I was surprised how much better I felt. [Smile]

Does the coffee enema give caffiene to your body? That could be a problem, my body doesn't seem to handle caffiene lately. Maybe a regular enema can do the trick. I've never tried any though, I'll try to give a shot.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hiker, you're welcome. I usually take a binder 15 or 20 minutes before I take a parasite herb. I like DE, but use whatever works for you (psyllium, etc). You just need something to cart off the toxins that the parasites expel while dying.

Sometimes I forget to take the binder before, but take it an hour or two later. Whatever works. I feel better if I take it before the parasite stuff though (15 or 20 min before, sometimes a half an hour before).

Your energy healer would likely test you as negative for any anti parasitics right now. That's because the bugs want to live. Parasites don't want you to take anything that will kill them, so they will show you as not needing it.

They are smarter than people think. Western medicine hasn't figured it out yet though. If I were you, I would ignore the testing and just take it, or, IMO, not much progress can be made. Think about it, this is the time they are reproducing. It's a good time to hit them.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Xelaetaks, a very small amount. I am highly caffeine sensitive, but can still do a coffee enema, even at night, and still get to sleep at bedtime. I can't do this if I ingest any coffee, anytime, so that tells you how miniscule an amount you actually get from the enema.

Go for a coffee enema (worth it). It provides so much more than a regular enema. I just bumped a thread on it that has everything you would ever want to know about them (below).

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=123126;p=0
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
Catgirl,

While I agree now is a good time to hit the parasites I think my stomach needs a break or I will just puke.

Just like when I was treating Lyme I needed a break from treatment to get stronger and then really whallop it.

I am getting too weak to handle much more and if this continues I will not be able to teach in August. No job no paycheck--doesn't work well when I am single.

The energy healer I see is totally amazing and honestly I don't believe the parasites will know she is energy testing. She can go into the next room and give a correct answer. She was given a gift at birth by God and while she has some extensive training her ability to intuit is amazing.

The small amount of time she spent working on me last week really whalloped a lot of them and I can barely function. There is much to be said for not drowning in toxins.

I may just wait until Friday and see what she says. God knows if parasites or eggs are there and He can channel her energy to kill them. Last week we just prayed that if there were parasites or eggs His energy would flow through her and kill them and I believe that happened.

If my legs are twitching in the next few days I won't need anyone's energy testing--LOL. That is a big signal to me.

I do not do coffee enemas. First of all I had surgery down there due to a botched colonoscopy and prefer not to stick anything up there.

Secondly, I cannot handle caffeine at all.

Thirdly, and I understand if others disagree with me, I don't think they achieve any purpose and if done too often can be dangerous.

That part of the body is made for stuff to come out and not for stuff to go in.

I have temporarily stopped the DE, as well, as I felt it was making my gut worse. Honestly, I believe DE can harm the small intestine if taken too much and I also believe if it is such a good binder it will bind to the herbs(which may be why you feel better as the herbs as not killing as much and so fewer toxins)

I know I take my seizure meds and any supplements several hours away from DE. I stopped it about 2 weeks ago, so the full moon was not affecting any energy testing then.

These, of course, are just my opinions and everyone is free to disagree with me.

Hiker53
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hang in there Hiker!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Everyone, this is interesting (they like clay):

http://www.aboutclay.com/info/Uses/parasite_removal.htm
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Can you share your experiences with Byron White's A-P?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Funny you should ask! I took some today and just passed a giant rope worm. Prior to today though, it hasn't produced much for me so hardly ever take it.

I felt like crap today, now I know why--it was the die off from the rope worm shortly after I took the A-P. I just did a coffee enema, and out it came with some friends.

So it does work. Other non rope type worms came out as well. I'm taking other stuff too (parasite meds), but could really feel it with the A-P today.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
OK, great thanks Catgirl!

I started A-P yesterday. Slept for 16 hours, like the dead, and then had a complete purging of my digestive tract.

Couldn't believe a few drops could be that powerful-but from what you said, it really is.

Are you taking herbals also?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome Greta!

Yes, I'm taking herbs too on top of the meds, but worked up to it. They give the extra push to get the worms out. I have a cabinet full of products, so I switch it up every day. Yesterday was art, A-P, Byron White, Cowden, and more. I did humaworm a few days ago, and something else after that, can't remember.

Taking different things and not being so regimented is what helps push the parasites out of me. The bugs just seem to adapt so quickly on me otherwise.

Have you tried taking A-P and A-FNG (15 or 20 min apart) on the same day? I'm doing that right now, plus will do something else today and tonight.
 
Posted by Leeintn (Member # 25999) on :
 
Hello,
I was skimming through the thread and someone mentioned herbs w/coffee enemas.

Could you tell me which herbs to use?

And could someone tell me the amount of salt/c to use. My brain is out of order today.

Thanks:)
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone use olive leaf extract before? Think it is ok to take regularly? Also any ideas on neam leaf? Is it effective by itself or more when mixing it with other herbs?

Thanks

[ 07-29-2014, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: Xelaetaks ]
 
Posted by desertwind (Member # 25256) on :
 
I started back on A-P and A-FNG today. Its been about a year since I took either.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Desertwind, good for you! It does seem like they are stronger together.
 
Posted by jwick25 (Member # 15190) on :
 
Does anyone have experience with Wormwood?

My LLMD gave me the supplement to take for 10 days....then 10 off....then 10 more on.

I passed something that could be a worm.....showed LLMD the photo.

He said it *could* be a worm....but could not be certain from a photo alone, of course.

What should I expect when I take Wormwood?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
That's great your doc gave you Wormwood.

I am glad you are already seeing results.

Do you do enemas? Coffee enemas (organic), and some warm salt water enemas help to remove more waste, so the dying parasites (and dead) do not stay in the body as long.

Some will frown upon pulsing Wormwood, but I believe you should follow your docs instructions as your doc is aware of your past health history, and other meds you are on, and your liver health.

Congrats about parasite fighting!
 
Posted by jwick25 (Member # 15190) on :
 
Thanks, GretaM!

I haven't started it yet....

The worm-looking thing that came out did so all on it's own a few months ago.

I haven't seen anything else since.

The doc said it could even have been a long fibrous strand.

Why do some people frown upon pulsing Wormwood? Does it pose a health risk?

I'm currently treating Candida and wanted to wait to start the Wormwood until I'm feeling better.

Going through yeast die-off now.....ugh! [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
It's that time again. This has been a hard week for me (full moon). The bugs are active big time right now. I hope everyone is having success getting rid of them (now is the time to do it).
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
Gael - you said "I took six mos of very strong Chinese herbs (Monastery of Herbs)"

What types of herbs were they? I recently took a bunch of burner herbs and had the scalp breaking out. I didn't know if it was the herbs I was taking or the hbot.

I have had a crazy sensation on my head for years and something is finally getting to it.

Do you know specifically what helped your scalp symptoms?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Haley,

For me it was ALL of the antiparasitic herbs and salt/c that pushed the parasites through the scalp. The herbs alone started the process. Hope this answers your question.

Don't forget to also do enemas, warm water or coffee to release the dead and dying parasites and toxins from the lower colon.

Also google the "Brain gut connection. Parasites hibernate in the small intestine and migrate to the head. They love the head area from what I have read.

Good luck with your getting rid of this beast and keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Gael, thanks for this info. I worry that there are parasites living in my sinus, ear canal and meninges. But no blood test, cat scan, MRI, or even a CAVITAT of my teeth will show this!

The sensations that I feel in these areas so resemble what I would imagine parasites would feel like. If it is not parasites, it has to be infection in there that antibiotics and herbs have not been able to get to.

My tinnitus changes as though the air current in my ear canal is constantly changing or things are squirming around in there. I know this sounds totally nuts, but it is so horrible for me.

I have a master's degree in Social Work and used to think patients who came to us with these types of concerns were psychotic. Now it is happening to me and I know it is not psychosis!

What is the best protocol to be going after any parasites that may be living in this part of the body? Could you share the literature on this? I have looked and have not been able to find much of anything. Thanks so much.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dbpei,

The three most important herbs to use when getting rid of parasites are, Wormwood, Cloves, and Black Walnut Hull.

I have used Parastroy, Hanna Kroeger Wormwood Combo, Humaworm, Hulda Clark etc. I also find that a combo of salt/c and the herbs pack quite a punch. It's best to empower yourself with knowledge of getting rid of parasites as it can take a long time.

Start with googling, antiparasitic herbs, Humaworm website, Hulda Clark etc. You tube has good info also. Lots of info on the internet. You can learn a lot by reading through this thread to see what other folks are doing.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
DE for pets

Treatment duration for different parasites

http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/diatomaceous_earth.html

Putting this in cats and dog food starting today.

Also sprinkling in litter pans.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Wow, this chapter from Bryan Rosner's explains the role parasites have in keeping you ill. It is very interesting and explains a lot about why parasites are a problem for people with chronic Lyme and co-infections that do not get better. It also includes information on treatment.

http://lymebook.com/ivermectin-albendazole-diethylcarbamazine-alinia-mimosa-pudica
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
dbpei,

Thanks so much for posting this! It's great that some professionals are finally getting that this co-infection exists in conjunction with the other infections and could be the KEY in why some chronic lyme sufferers are still sick.

I just have a hard time understanding why this has been so overlooked from the beginning since Burgdorfer found Filarial Worms in the original ticks he dissected. I guess it's better late than never.

Gael
 
Posted by hermit (Member # 44427) on :
 
Please define A-P and DE.

Is salt/c sold over the counter?
 
Posted by hermit (Member # 44427) on :
 
according to this website: http://www.electroherbalism.com/Products/SaltC.htm

Salt-C

Description: Salt C is no longer sold by Electroherbalism. However, it is simple to make oneself. Just mix half and half (by weight) USP ascorbic acid powder with a good quality salt rich in trace minerals such as Real Salt, Himalaya Pink Salt, or Klamath Miracle Krystal Salt. Many people use this combination against Lyme disease. See http://www.lymephotos.com/ for the complete description. May also be useful in some other infectious disorders.

Each two gram serving is a heaping 1/4 tsp and contains

1000mg vitamin C
1000mg salt

eVitamins has good prices on Now Ascorbic Acid (USP quality) and also sells Klamath Krystal Salt, shown at right. If this combination is used, the Klamath Salt is 3.5oz total and the Now Ascorbic Acid is 8oz. Mix two canisters of the Klamath Salt with one of the ascorbic acid. This makes an approximately equal blend (7oz salt to 8oz C, or a 7:8 ratio.) To be more exact, remove two tablespoons (approx 30g) of ascorbic acid before mixing with the salt to make a 1:1 ratio (although a 7:8 ratio is fine).

Another option is to get Himalaya Pink Salt from eVitamins, which comes in an 8oz container. eVitamins also sells Now Ascorbic Acid.

Directions: Should be mixed in water before use. The Salt-C protocol provided by lymephotos.com is to use a two gram serving 12 times per day, but using less often such as three times per day may also provide some benefit. Either way, use three times per day to start and build up to recommended amounts as necessary. Occasionally, invert closed canister and shake to evenly disperse since the powders may settle over time.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
The salt/c protocol on lymephotos may be too strong using sodium chloride tablets. Visit the salt/c lymestrategies group for a more gentle approach using sea salt such as Himalayan or Real Salt. Ester C powder with bioflavonoids is also easier on the stomach.

Ramping up slowly is also suggested since this can be a strong protocol. I found the combo of salt/c and antiparasitic herbs to be a powerful combo. Drinking extra water is also important.

Gael
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
I just wanted to share. I tried biltricide about 2 years ago without any noticeable benefit. I just took biltricide now, very high dosage and feel clearer brain, clearer thinking.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
That's awesome Mlg! Were you working on your biofilms prior to taking it? Just wondering if that could be the difference.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Dbpei, great link on parasites (thank you for posting). :)
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hermit, A-P is a formula of Byron Whites. It is used to help with parasites. DE is short for food grade diatomaceous earth.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi Catgirl,

I believe in the past I was on like 1 boluoke a day and did like 1-2 biltricide a day for like a total of like 5 days.

Now I am on heparin and about 8 pills a day. I will be in an anti-parasitic rotation for like a month. I am hoping longer. When I had high breakthroughs in the past is with long term rotating anti-parasitic and anti-worming pharmas and herbs.

I hope our sharing info opens more doors and helps others and each other.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I am going to be doing some weekly IV chelation of heavy metals in the near future. I guess I have very high and complex readings that my LLND feels will need aggressive treatment. [Frown]

I am going to talk to her about treating parasites at the same time, as I know they go together! I remember someone (Gigi?) used to post about the importance of treating both. I had been taking Hanna Kroeger Wormwood complex, but it caused my liver enzymes to go up and I had to take a break.

Has anyone here done aggressive heavy metal chelation and treated for parasites at the same time? I would like to hear your experiences with this. Thank you!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Mlg, so you take 8 boluke a day or 8 biltricide? I am so glad bilt is working so well for you. It must be hitting a lot of bugs. I've also had breakthroughs with long term parasite meds and herbs. I hope our sharing helps others too, and thank you for sharing. [Smile]

Dbpei, I vaguely remember Gigi saying that she thought it might be too hard on the body doing both at the same time. I know that I've tried doing both and it became too intense for me. Granted, the bugs do release heavy metals when they die, so you mop them up with binders.

But chelating was much more work than that for me (detox issues, etc), so for me doing both was just too hard on my body. Maybe others have been successful at this though.
 
Posted by hermit (Member # 44427) on :
 
I've been taking wormwood, black walnut, and now cloves among others as drops in water three times a day. It is only felt in my neck, ears , and head. Feelings are heat, sore, sick. My acne has slightly gotten worse. I missed the dose last night, and head "feelings" stopped. I put colloidal sulfur on the acne topically. "Feelings" returned after first and second does today. Do these sound like a herx reaction? Any opinions or thoughts are welcome.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks for the info, catgirl. I'm glad I asked! I will follow my instincts and not try to do too much at once. I will also ask my doc about this.

Hermit, I know it is not what you asked, but I remember reading that diatomaceous earth helps with acne. In addition to drinking it mixed with water, you can make a very soothing facial mask out of it. It helps to cool down my rosacea...
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Catgirl,
Sorry it was supposed to be 12 biltr. , but wasn't brave enough and did 9 a day with heparin.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hermit, anything that kills off parasites can make you herx, so yes, those could be herx like reactions. I think it's best to go slow when trying stuff. Whenever I herx, I back down to the level I didn't herx at.

Dbpei, you're welcome. :) I think it's best just to chip away at this stuff slowly (at least for me it is).

Mlg, thanks! I haven't felt good on bilt, but maybe your success was the heparin, or high dose bilt or combo of both (interesting).
 
Posted by jwick25 (Member # 15190) on :
 
Catgirl wrote:

"Hermit, anything that kills off parasites can make you herx, so yes, those could be herx like reactions. I think it's best to go slow when trying stuff. Whenever I herx, I back down to the level I didn't herx at."

This is nice to know, as I am about to start taking Wormwood and have no idea what to expect.

I'm supposed to start at 4 pills at once....but think I might start at just 1 pill and go from there.
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
I'm having a rough time since yesterday. I think it may be related to full moon. Is anybody else having a major flare?

Just when you think things are getting easier....

(sorry to complain. I'm pretty discouraged with how last night and today have been)
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
TNT,

Sorry you are suffering. Didn't realize today was a full moon. The parasites can be very active during a Full Moon because this is when they procreate. What antiparasitics are you currently taking?

Warm water enemas can be good to do to release dead and dying parasites from the lower colon.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
TNT, try not to be discouraged. Rough times are common before and during the full moon phase. I have been having a rough week--definitely the full moon for me.

Coffee enemas are great (in addition to the warm water enemas Gael mentioned above) because they get rid of toxins by cleaning the liver. I feel much better after I have them.

Hang in there, it's almost over.
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
Nothing really. My A-Bart has cloves in it. I take 20 drops 2x daily, and I have been doing (3)! drops of BLT 2x daily recently since it has some good lymph herbs in it, plus anti-bart ingredients. But I feel it is more anti-parasitical than anti-bart.

Last night I did take 1 drop of Para-V blend for its anti-parasitical and anti-protozoan properties on account of the full moon. It doesn't normally keep me awake.

Oh, I try to Rife on a somewhat regular basis, and I usually do hit protozoa. So, it could be a combination of things, I guess. But am I killing it, or is it just flaring? I have no idea sometimes. If it gets worse afterwards, I assume it's probably a flare; if it gets better afterwards, it's probably a die-off.

But I see a weekly pattern normally (sometimes biweekly). Oh, I just noticed that the bad night of sleep last week was Wed. night and Thursday & Friday were really bad days.

Then a few days of feeling relatively good, until last nights lack of sleep and today's issues with leg, joint and nerve pain, etc.

I hate trying to figure out what to do in these mini crises.

So, maybe I'm hitting it too hard, and maybe not hard enough. I hate not knowing what to do in these situations. When it gets like this, my gut starts complaining, and if not careful things can get bad pretty quickly.

thanks, Gael, for taking an interest in my condition. I hope I can sleep well tonight, and feel better tomorrow and be more mentally with it.

blessings
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
Forgot to mention the back of head/occipital pain and stiffness today.

And, thanks, Catgirl for the encouragement. You're right, it probably will be better soon.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
TNT.

FYI, The THREE most important herbs for killing parasites are Wormwood, Cloves and Black Walnut Hull. Cloves are important for killing eggs. The head area can be sore if the parasites have migrated to the head which I found to be the case. Applying something cold or cool on this area usually stops the pain. Hope you feel better soon.

P. S. If the herxing gets too bad, taking a break from taking anything can help until the herx calms down.

Gael
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
TNT:

I had the very same bad days as you.

It felt like I was burning the candle at both ends.

The insomnia was insane.

Not sure if bart flares during the full moon, but I always have associated insomnia with BLO.

Last night I seemed to sleep better.

Whatever it is, I ramped up my detox (chlorella, DE, bentonite clay and activated charcoal) and it seemed to help.

Also added in soaked psyllium husks to help keep phase 2 detox pathways open [Wink]

Hope you are feeling better
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hey warriors, I tried another good product that kills parasites: ParaClear (SeraVita). It's worth trying.
 
Posted by keikko (Member # 34991) on :
 
I have been working on this parasite issue on and off for about a year. (mostly on, just break until herx calms down) Yes, I am moving stuff out but the herxes are pretty intense especially in the head. I am taking binders regularly and doing coffee enemas.

One of the problems I'm having is I seem to be getting viral flare ups when I move out some of these parasites.

Is this happening to anyone else? Any suggestions on how to control it? Thanks
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,
This year while treating babesia/proto, I broke out with high viruses and I had to go on Pharms anti-viral, garlic, juicing, oil on oregano, colloidal silver. Then I am rotating anti-parasitics, pharma with herbs.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
keikko, could you describe your head herxes while doing this?

How do you know you hare having viral flare ups?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I'm having the same issue with viruses (I'm also taking parasite meds). I think the viruses are because I'm hitting proto--it fights back and is just one more thing for my body to fight, so viruses slip in easily.

I've noticed that morning rest seems to help me more than anything. Without it, the viruses come right back. Mlg, I'm going to try some of your suggestions too (thanks). :)

I'm thinking about making some chicken soup but don't want to feed proto (arginine). I guess it's worth a shot though.

Keikko, I'm not sure if you have proto, but can tell you that the pain and pressure proto creates once attacked causes a massive herx in my head.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
FULL MOON on Wednesday October 8th. Just thought I would give everyone a heads up since this is when parasites are most active. Sending healing thoughts to everyone.

P. S.

Aloe vera juice is said to be antiviral, antimicrobial and antifungal.

Gael
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Anyone use the Blessed Herbs Parasite Cleanse?
 
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
 
Just started the Salt/C protocol a few days ago following the scale up method. Have gone up to three grams (taking at 10, 2 and 6) but have been having some mild stomach discomfort and vomited last night after taking the last measure.

Any thoughts on that? Has anyone seen sensitivity to salt/C like this? Don't know if the full moon had anything to do with it (?) I have stopped taking it and will start again at a lower level when my stomach settles down
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Are you using sea salt?? Stomach discomfort can be from die off. Vomiting can also be a symptom of the body trying to get rid of unwanted toxins and invaders.

However, to err on the side of caution cutting back dosing to twice a day until things calm down would be my suggestion. If you become too symptomatic then take a break and start up slowly when you go back.

You might want to get the salt/c plus book from Amazon for some excellent guidance when doing salt/c.

Gael
 
Posted by keikko (Member # 34991) on :
 
Thanks for the suggestions! I will add some of that in. The only way I know its viruses is I keep going to my doctor and he says he think I have a new virus. Viruses make me feel awful and very weak.

The head herxes are like confusion, movement in head, burning in head, etc.

Last week it got so bad I thought I was going insane but something helped. Antihistamine support.... Quercitin and bromelain.

On top of using the binders I started taking supplements to help decrease histamine and it has made a huge difference! I guess these things can release histamine when they die.

I also start taking turmeric force to help with the inflammation and have seen some benefit.

Still plugging away:)
 
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
 
Thanks Gael - definitely using Celtic Salt and have the Salt/C book that I am following.

I am thinking like you are that it may be dieoff - will be interesting to see what happens when I scale back up.

Interestingly I started doing coffee enemas a week or so before starting the salt/c and from that alone have been seeing what I believe to be liver flukes and round worms - so maybe I am more infested than I think [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your welcome Lyme Swimmer,

It can take several years to get rid of parasites, eggs and larva.

Check the

www.lymephotos.com site

when you are expelling something that you may not have seen before.

If you have already been seeing parasites, then you must continue on even after you think they are gone. I have seen worms expelled several years after a lull of a long period. If just one egg is left over the cycle will begin all over again.

Extra cloves kill the eggs (Hanna Kroeger clove capsules)and eventually adding antiparasitic herbs such as Parastroy, Humaworm and or Hanna Kroeger Wormwood combo will add an extra punch.

Hulda Clark says maintenance should be done FOREVER if you have been infected. Keep us posted. Hope you feel better.

Gael
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
The last 12 hours have been a bit crazy here. Took ivermectin two- three days ago two days in a row and took albendazle today due to head symptoms. Hoping to get in alinia and tinidazole in soon to start on the protocol and hopefully it can help out. Keeping pineapple in the mix too for digestive support.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Gael-or anyone who knows, is it dangerous to have colonoscopy or endoscopy if you have parasites and worms? I really think i have a lot cuz they keep coming out even tho i am not doing tx. I take pics of them now. They come thru skin, eyes and in.mucous i cough up. Yesterday for first time i took video of one cuz i was sure it was moving

Anyway...i am way over due for the above procedures and have alot of sx and history so i am wondering if you are aware of anyone having trouble cuz og parasites and worms. Thanks
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
IP,

If you are seeing that many parasites without tx, then it sounds like you have quite an infection. Great that they are exiting, but you must be eating something(salt?) or taking something else that is killing them and making them exit like that.

Salt usually makes them run for the hills and exit thru the skin and escape any way they can. Maybe you discovered some unknown antiparasitic?

As far as a colonoscopy, I recently opted out of doing one because I just felt it was too risky and feel that my remaining symptoms are still from the last of the parasite infection. Maybe others will weigh in about their experiences.

Gael
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Around a year ago when I started having parasite symptoms - weird stuff showing up in bathroom after treating lyme for a bit I got an endoscopy and colonscopy. This is when I knew little about parasites. They didn't find much in both procedures. Not long after te colonscopy I took parasite cleanse herbs for a while and some nasty fluke like stuff came out.

What I understand now (from what people report) is the preperation for colonscopies can cause them to go into hiding.

There is a gastro doctor in NY who has tropica medicine background that seems to do endoscopies for them so could be there's potential but seems like results may vary.

Another thing is curious is capsule endoscopies, I wonder if there's potential to something with those and they could be an easier thing to try at least. May help to have someone who knows about this stuff looking it over though.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
I thought the endoscopy and colonoscopy cleaned out, which is necessary, and also, the process of 'scraping' from the procedure (this was my thought for me),

or perhaps it was just the fasting (I opted for 2 day fast beforehand, which was really difficult) did cause an exit (day after procedure).

I took 6 days of Albendazole over this last full moon, last dose last night, and today just vitamin C and glutathione to detox.
I was very, very tired today.

It's a long process for some of us, and Gael being honest about that I appreciate.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
I wanted to share that prescription antihistamines seem to lessen my herxes (to some days non-existant) and so does Guaifenesin and bromelian.
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Anyone use the Byron White A-P formula for parasites?
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Yes, I've used it before. All of it helps.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Guai has been said to help fibromyalgia...a long time ago a book was written on it

More recently i read it breaks down bio fulm

Not sure is related to what yo are feeling

Thx gael...i take a lot of supps , i use the pink salt on foodt, i take c everyday...i have been eating bad since may when house went under construction and that includes processed prepared food and take out so matbe xtra salt...i always have more come out around full moon

I have been putting off colonoscopies but i have worse sx and they git polyps last time and reflux sx much worse...

So i really dont want to keep putting it off unless i thought it might kill me
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Guai has been said to help fibromyalgia...a long time ago a book was written on it

More recently i read it breaks down bio fulm

Not sure is related to what yo are feeling

Thx gael...i take a lot of supps , i use the pink salt on foodt, i take c everyday...i have been eating bad since may when house went under construction and that includes processed prepared food and take out so matbe xtra salt...i always have more come out around full moon

I have been putting off colonoscopies but i have worse sx and they git polyps last time and reflux sx much worse...

So i really dont want to keep putting it off unless i thought it might kill me
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Okay IP, Sounds like the sea salt and vit C are chasing out the parasites. VERY important to stay with it. If you feel you should have a colonoscopy, then follow your gut. (no pun intended) :)Keep us posted.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Gee i guess ive had a crazy busy week-i am just seeing this

Has anyone here had succes getting rid of prasites with rife?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Yes.

LOVE Byron White's A-P.

My doc prescribed it for babesia/babesia like organisms and also protozoas.

It works great! But I suggest going slow with it.

Packs one heck of a punch.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,
Some updates I started rotating again with anti-parasitics. Ivermectin plus another pharma anti-parasitic. This has significantly lowered allergy symptoms. I have decreased allergy medicine by half.

Hope this information is useful.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Just want to add that vitamin C is a NATURAL antihistamine. Many friends that I have told say it works well and they don't need their pharma antihistamine.

Not a good idea to take both because it would be like taking a double dose. Allergys are on the symptom list for parasite infections. Glad parasite tx is helping mlg.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Anyone use rife for parasites?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I have not been doing long, but I have started to use auto channels 585 and 586. There are many other frequencies and channels for parasites. I always do a detox frequency at the end of my sessions.
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Ty. Do you know what kind you have? I have a general freq and then many by name. I havent identified them. But im pretty sure something is in my lungs. I wonder about tapeworm cuz sometimes it seems something very large is moving around inside me. But im overweight and i thought with tape worm you get skinny. Also seem to have somthing in my eyes

Ty. I will experiment i guess. Going really slow
 
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
 
Hey Gang, anyone using a mixture method for Salt/C?
I haven't been able to scale up too far as I tend to throw-up if taking salt/C in capsules around meal time
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I use Ester C powder mixed with Himalayan or Real Salt sea salt in an 8 oz glass of water and sip on it drinking extra water. I started with 1/4 tsp of both.

This way you can scale up slowly and it should be much easier on your tummy. Make sure you use sea salt and not sodium chloride tabs. Hope this helps.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Is the powder cheaper?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Not currently taking it, but when I was, I made a "sports drink"

Sea salt
Buffered vitamin C
Lime juice
Few drops stevia or sprinkle of xylitol
In a litre of water

I mixed it well and sipped throughout the day, also drank lots of plain water too, as a chaser.
 
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
 
Thanks Gael, Greta
Appreciate the feedback!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Your very welcome LymeSwimmer.

Ip
The Ester C powder I get from American Health is the same price as the capsules.

Gael
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Ty
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this thread back up for Annie C and other newbies to review.

Gael
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Just update. I had apptment late last week with LLMD and she will continue to rotate anti-parasitics and is prescribing singulair Rx anti-histamine.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
mlg,

That's really good news. In my experience, antiparasitics have been key and have saved my life. Thanks for the update. Keep us posted

.Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on mlg! Is the antihistamine helping just allergies or does it help with anything else? I am doing parasite meds too (and some herbs). Thankfully, the meds hit both proto and other parasites. Are you passing worms too?

I just passed a big rope worm. I am starting to feel more human again (better). I never realized how much proto was getting in my way. It was hiding and impeding my progress. Thought I was hitting it, but not enough. The meds are helping.

If anyone here has been fighting parasites and everything else with not much improvement, you may want to consider proto (another parasite that is often mistaken for babs).
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
OMG, so tired. I can't wait for the full moon to get here. Major insomnia last night, and Taylor Swift's new song constantly playing in my head.
 
Posted by surprise (Member # 34987) on :
 
Hiker that's great! mlg, I appreciate you sharing too and how much effort this really is/ can be.

Catgirl, LOL! I swear, I live very low key (except for 3 kids!) but anytime I have to do an event or outing, it always falls right before the full moon! My anniversary, a nighttime something to do, etc. never fails.

Finally getting a HIDA scan - on Tuesday! Full moon is on Thursday. Yea me. Not! maybe the radioactive junk going thru will kill some bad stuff out? Ugh.

Keep trucking.
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I've been doing Salt-c, antiparasitics, and coffee enemas for about 10 months now.

I have noticed some unwanted strangers in the bathroom from time to time, but not a lot. just an occasional "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT!!?!?!"

I rarely see anything after a coffee enema. I do however, see a lot of undigested food, so it's likely I need to support my gut better. Could anyone give me some advice on a good inexpensive gut treatment?

The good news is that I've had steady improvement with this protocol. I spend very little and have gotten great results.

But I know I need to do more, which is why I'm here looking for answers yet again. My ears are still clogged and ringing, no relief there. And I can very easily feel like death if it's too cold, or if I run out of parastroy and don't take it for a week.

Are there some changes or additions I could make to improve this run? I'm doing great, I just think I need another push. That and I need to get my gut in order.
 
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
 
Hey Gang,

Had a question about the full moon effect - how soon before the full moon are you feeling unwell, off or just not yourself? And how long until that effect dissipates?

Yesterday started to feel blah like a herx was coming on, seeing some unusual fatigue, etc. I think I am seeing some effect due to the impending full moon as I have seen similar over the past few months or so

Do you find it ramps up a few days before the full moon, plateaus and then drops off over the next couple of days after the full moon?

Thanks for the insight here
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
lymeboy,

If you are seeing undigested food, you probably need some digestive enzymes. I like Super Digestaway by Soloray plant enzymes.

They also contain pancreatin and ox bile as well as papain, aloe vera, bromelein and more. You can also check the www.lymephotos.com for strange creatures that you can't indentify.

You can increase the Parastroy to 3 each 2 x a day after the 3rd week. Also increasing the salt/c might help.

Gael
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Hi Gael & gang, I am just snooping.

 -

Good GOD this thread is long & you guys have been busy bodies.

Do you have a list of who got better or who is in remission from Salt/C?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Hi lymedin,

Thanks for stopping by. I can only tell you from personal experience that I wouldn't be here if it weren't for salt/c and antiparasitic herbs.

I am 90-95% better and really got rid of everything pictured on www.lymephotos.com and other parasites and flukes several yrs ago using the combo of salt/c and antiparasitic herbs.

Still dealing with some smaller parasites that seem to have embedded themselves into my tissues but making daily progress.

The herbs really helped for the first six months, but it was only when I added the salt/c did I have a mass exodus for mos. Some on this thread are alternating between pharma meds and alternatives.

It can take years 3-5 yrs or longer to get rid of this kind of infection. Maybe others will stop by with more info. Also visit lymestrategies the salt/c group to see success stories.

Google Marc Fett, the owner of the website for his story. Your microscopy thread is excellent BTW!

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Surprise, good luck with the HIDA scan. I hope it kills off some lyme and friends. [Smile]

Lymeboy, ditto what Gael said about enzymes. I rotate my enzymes though (different brands), and add more when on alinia. If you run out of parastroy you could use cloves (I always have them on hand).

My gut needs a break every now and then so I take a week off from parasite formulas when I feel the need, and do cloves that week instead.

As far as more, are you using anything else for lyme? I love salt/c but needed something more. You might try adding in some byron white, cowden or buhner herbs to the mix.

Lymedin2010, ADORABLE LITTLE DOG!

Lymeswimmer, yes, for me it's before the full moon and tapers off after.

Two more days...

[ 11-04-2014, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
Thank you glm111, I'm going to try the Super Digestaway.

I'm at 20g/day salt-c, and I've upped my parastroy from 2 to 3 twice/day. It's working, but I guess I expected to see a mass exodus of creatures after 10 months.

But this part of treatment has been the biggest improvement for me. I often feel that if my ear and sinus issues would clear up, I'd be completely well.
 
Posted by LymeSwimmer (Member # 40540) on :
 
Hi Lymeboy - glad to hear you are seeing something with salt/C - I am just a few weeks in and ramping myself up a bit before I start antiparastic herbs.

Your ear and sinus issues resonate with me as they have plagued me forever - I almost gave up swimming because of not being able to resolve swimmer's ear and congestion.

I'll throw something completely different at you - the one thing I did this year that mostly resolved my sinus issue was taking seed oils out of my diet (the biggest culprit being canola oil) - I can tell when anyone sneaks it into one of the meals when I wake up the next morning all stuffed up with clogged ears
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Lymeboy sent you a PM
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Folks, just wanted to add something here. Per Rosner book, I ordered and tried DEC / diethylcarbamazine - on my own. I am 7 yrs into treating so do my own thing sometimes. Plus don't want to get him in trouble since it's not in US.

i did 100mgx2 for a week and holy cow! it was a carnival freakshow. I think it either really pisses off, or kills bart, plus something that protects it or something in the same space. I could not believe it.

The good news: it cleared up 7 years of acne on forehead and back. The bad news: my "bart"symptoms seem to be roaring...the worse being hideous bone pain -- both intensified existing and roaming new. I'm so afraid that this is my new normal. I don't think it's a herx because serious detox is not working....coffee enemas, lemon water, colonic. The detox efforts take away the tremors and rubbery legs, which for me are toxicity, but not the pain and some other stuff like swollen ln.

I have doc appt in a few days but feel like this is huge. Want to continue using it somehow but will have to control the bart, unless this isn't bart.

Any thoughts? For the record, I did not see any evidence in the toilet, and Humaworm was not strong enough to clear up the acne for good. It cleared, then came back.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
CD57,

DEC is indicated for Filarial worm infections. Sounds like you stirred up the parasites. If you have a hyperinfection and the parasites have invaded the tissues and organs it could take many doses to kill them.

All I know from personal experience is that I took 6 mos of very strong antiparasitic herbs, and when I added the salt/c is when they started to exit. Getting rid of this kind of infection has to be ongoing and cannot be done just with several mos of Humaworm. You have to be persistent.

I do believe that antiparasitics may also be key in hitting bart and babs as well as the combo of herbs and salt/c. Seeing "evidence" could take a while.

Gael,
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Is curcumin or berberine known to kill parasites. Im using them for pain but im seeing stuff
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Yes LP, I believe they both do.

CD-that is fascinating about the DEC. I want to try that also, but am scared to bring it up to my doc to ask.

I hope you can keep up with it, without getting swamped under.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Hi,

Just update have been rotating ant-parasitics for about 1.5 years. Heparin and rotated art and crypto.

So at the beginning of last week had bladder infection so took bactrim. I also had really bad allergies was takin pharma Rx for allergy medicine. My friend and her husband started growing bee colonies, so they have raw honey and fresh pollen. She gave me some on Monday last week. She said to keep the pollen frozen. She told me to take 1/4 of tsp pollen and 1/4 honey. By about the 4th day I went from feeling 70-75 % recovered to feeling about 80-85% recovered and have maintained. If you google pollen Dr. Marcela states it help with most of our problems, builds the immune system, allergies, clears brain fog, digestive problems, etc.

I hope this helps someone out there.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Gael it sounds like you advocate salt/c with something else, like Humaworm etc. combo approach?

One thing I want to ask on here - I know this is an anti parasite thread, so of course the focus is Antiparaitics, however, I rarely see mention of lyme and babs Bart etc on here. Was wondering if these are a non issue for people on this thread, or if these bugs miraculously melted away because of anti parasite treatments of various kinds ?
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
I was CDC positive for lyme. I also lab tested positive babesia d., mycoplasma fermentans, clinical diagnosed with bart. I also had high viral load at times.

What I've learned from the latest notes last year this year was that parasites such as proto is probably enemy 1 it probably build biofilm to protect other infections such as bart, etc. Also micro - filial. One of the latest researched said to treat babesia or babesia like organism with anti-worm agents first rotate.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi mlg. That is super interesting about the pollen. I will ask my doc about it [Smile]

CD-Yes, for me now when I say 'parasites', I mean strictly protozoa. Babesia is a protozoa, as it bartonella-type organisms.

Since my doc starting rotating anti-parasitic meds for protozoa, I have had the strangest herxes.

I also believe bartonella hangs out in the endothelial cells of microfilarials and other larger parasites. It likes endothelial cells...why would it be choosy between human vs. helminth?

How are you feeling today, CD-57?
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone know any remedies to put into ear for ear parasites?

Thanks
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
?coconut oil?
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Thanks. That may work. Will add that on stuff to get.
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
You can put raw garlic slice for a couple of hours. You can hold it with cotton and\or bandage.
 
Posted by lookup (Member # 44574) on :
 
CD57- "hideous bone pain"

Have a look at homeopathic Eupatorium perfoliatum 30c.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone know about pinella and burbur? Can they be taken when on meds protocol?

Thanks
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Thanks so much for the tip Lookup! I will try it.

Greta thanks so much for asking. Things have died down but it took 2 weeks! My doc thinks toxicity as that is my pattern. But I think it was a herx.

Greta what antiparasitics is your doc rotating? Ill ask mine to also. Is he doing meds or herbs?
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Hi CD,

Mine is rotating antiparasitics (med and herbal) with abx. Specifically targeting protozoa.

I will PM you.
 
Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
 
Mig, thanks for your note addressing the coinfections. No one else ever seems to comment on these, or attribute any of their symptoms to infections other than parasites on this thread.

I just want to keep it real and acknowledge that the other bugs play a big part too.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Fighting parasitic infection inadvertently unleashes dormant virus
http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/27074.aspx#.VGEvFVGO7y4.facebook


At the time when I was undergoing prescribed parasitic treatment, I developed rashes. The same rashes that I would get on & off throughout my years & especially when my immune system was low & I was weak, except this time those rashes were unlike anything I have experienced before.


They were so much more widely spread & it went across areas I did not have them on before.


It took months for my body to fight back & the rashes are long gone now.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
I think you guys might get a kick out of this video.

WBC's attacking a parasite.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152126525726937&fref=nf
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Is castor oil the same as regular oil like for cars? Is it safe to use and where could you get it?

Any other ideas for fluke killers? - so far they seem resistant to everything and it is disturbing likely having these things lie dormant. Also Im not sure if I want to use the hulda clark herbs cause i think they can make stuff move around more. Im open to anything safe that can clean out the liver.

Also anyone have luck with any diets or eating certain foods regularly? I've found chicken soup to be one of the best foods personally.

Thanks
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Thank you, Lymenet Parasite Warriors [Smile] . I have learned so much from the experiences you have all shared!

A few weeks ago I got serious with salt/c and also began pharma antiparasitics. I've been on abx with my LLMD, but felt strongly I may need to tx for parasites after adding artemisinin. My sinuses clear for a couple hours each time I dose it.

I had horrible skin crawling sensations, I think now it was the biggest cause of my insomnia. After the first day of dosing iver and pyrantel, I passed what I assumed to be a bunch of pinworms.

The day after my first coffee enema (best detox tool ever!!), I got some distinguishable orange liver flukes.

Around a week in, I had numerous expulsions come after a coffee enema. LOTS of tiny, tiny fine worms, some star shaped, wondering if they were being expelled with bile from my liver? No clue what these could be. Also spiked a high fever and was couched the rest of that day. I see these tiny worms often.

Sleep is so much better now, when I began antiparasitics I stopped the rx sleep med, a small dose of melatonin works for me now where it never has for years! So happy for the horrific crawling sensations to be reduced so much.

My head seems to be clearer. I noted other improvements too, just can't remember what they are right now. I think adding the ivermectin made a huge difference in how I feel overall. I believe I will rotate pharms and herbals for the long term.
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Awesome news gz!
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone try colonics before? With the success of enemas it seems like it may be on a similar level. I can't even imagine what could come out in a colonic.
 
Posted by jwick25 (Member # 15190) on :
 
Hi everyone!

I'm in the process of doing stool sample testing to check for parasites.

How accurate / inaccurate does the testing tend to be?

Thanks!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
If it is a C&S from a typical lab, then the accuracy of testing is very poor.

They add a chemical that removes the fat, add chemical that removes the starches/fibres and then mixed and timed for the chemicals to do their work.

Then it is centrifuged and a remaining smear is looked at under the microscope.

Traditional labs look for cysts only, which is what they use to identify the parasite by.

Worms flukes etc rarely survive the treatment process.

things like giardia and cryptosporidium literally need to be looked at under a microscope immediately after defecating so the tech can see them swimming around. They die really fast out of the body and often stool samples don't make it to the lab before they die.

There is a good private lab comprehensive stool analysis that is able to do a better job.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
There are some labs like parawellness, genova, Dr. Omin's Arizone lab, results may vary tho.
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
Perhaps I have asked this before - but I have sooooooo lost the plot;

How do we get parasites?
Which ones the most common?

Do basic labs like CBC and CMP - abnormalities give any clues?

White cell and red cell counts?

Neutrophils and Eosinophil counts?

Total IGE count with parasite infection - how high?

With high IGE any way to differentiate between allergies and parasites?

Tks.
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
trying to delete duplicate post - things slow
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone have thoughts on Byron White A-P formula, is it worth taking?

Also mediherb wormwood complex? I have these left over from the doctor in St Louis a couple months back. Conisdering going herbal route. Not sure how effective they are with stuff scattered but maybe it can help. Somethings gotta help.

@susan people can get them from food like salad, undercooked meat, microscopic eggs can be in different kinds of food. How common it is who knows but generally washing and cooking stuff can help. Lab work ca be random so it may differ in some people.

Plenty of people have normal blood tests yet still have stuff tho hugh calcium, albumin, ige, and eosinphils can hint at it.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Willy Burgdorfer found Filarial Worms in the original ticks he dissected. Also Dr. Eva Sapi a researcher from Connecticut has found them in over forty percent of the ticks she has dissected.

www.lymephotos.com

I had these and other parasites mass exodus for mos after using antiparasitic herbs and then salt/c. You have to be persistent because they hang on for dear life. The salt dehydrates them and puts them in osmotic shock shock.

Gael
 
Posted by jwick25 (Member # 15190) on :
 
Thanks for the tips on the labs.

Mine is being done through Quest, so I'm guessing accuracy isn't going to be a sure thing. [Smile]

I'll look into the other labs and ask my LLMD if he recommends one in particular.

So frustrating trying to get a definitive answer.

Can a person try supplements (wormwood, etc.) without the official diagnosis and just see if anything happens?

Not sure what's safe?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Getting a definitive answer is like finding a needle in a hay stack. The labs cannot detect parasites very well for various reasons, so 99.9% of the time they are missed. Lyme is frequently missed by blood tests, and so are co infections, so parasites are no different.

Waiting for a positive stool/blood test was a big waste of of time and money for me. I've done several tests, all showed negative, yet worms were obvious. This means current testing is next to useless.

Parasites are the final frontier. The medical community doesn't even understand where they come from (air, water, food). They think parasites exist only in third world countries, so they are very much clueless about the whole thing. Check out the symptoms below:

https://humaworm.com/symptoms.html
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Xelaetaks, A-P helps me, but not alone. I combine it with various parasite products (helps get them out). Gael is right, salt/c combined with herbal parasite products helps expel them. Parasites hate salt.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Freak show! I passed a fat rubbery round white worm after my coffee enema. This is a new one for me. I'm sure if there's one there are more.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

That's really good news that you passed that BIG FAT WORM! The bad news is as you have surmised is that there is always more unfortunately. Sounds like it could be a roundworm infection.

Taking extra cloves could help getting rid of the eggs. I used to put fresh ground cloves and cinnamon in my coffee and expelled a ton of eggs and parasites that way. Maybe increase the salt/c depending on how much you take. Good luck and keep us posted.

P.S. If you are drinking salt/c, it should have a bite to it. Extra water is also important to flush the critters out and circulate the salt as well as keeping hydrated.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael! I can't take the salt/c right now b/c I'm on parasite meds (hurts my kidneys), but I can up the cloves (great idea, thank you). :)
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
One thing I wonder is how often can parasite meds be taken. It seems like every week or other week i may rotate a different med for a day or two. May try prazi again too. Last night had lots of pain in liver area but my guess is its the stuff in there since my last blood test everything was fine including liver and kidneys.

Im interested in salt, c but have heard a lot of salt can have its risks so i might do a little bit of sea salt with lemon water - at least that can keep the body more alkaline.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I think it depends on the individual (parasite meds). If you're having pain in liver area, you might consider doing a coffee enema. It cleans the liver out fast.

I really like salt/c. It makes me feel good. Unfortunately I can't handle it with parasite meds--it makes my bp go up and kidneys hurt, but that's me (detox issues). Other people may have an easier time with it.

Whenever I'm off parasite meds, I use salt/c combined with parasite herbs. That combo got the worms out of me when nothing else would. I would rather be doing salt/c and herbs right now, but the meds help me fight proto better. Once its gone, I'm back on salt/c and herbs.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this thread back up for EMTlyme to review.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Would anyone recommend this product - http://www.mediherb.com/product_pdf/WormwoodComplexLR.pdf ? Also anyone use these type of hers when stuff is scattered? Also anyone have thoughts on fenbendazole - how it compares with prazi, iver, etc ?

Thanks
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Have not tried that one but have tried other products from SP, which is a good company, so I would probably try it. Not sure what when stuff is scatter means.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
By scattered I mean stuff outside gi tract - like arms, neck, etc
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I use those types of herbs all the time, even with pains outside the GI tract.--Is that what you mean by scattered (pain?), or is it parasites outside the GI tract?

If it's parasites, I'm not sure if it will hit them there, but maybe, so I still use the herbs. I think salt/c does, which is why it's good to combine it with the herbs.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Parasites. People (studies too) say they can mive and migrate in different parts of body. I think wormwood may hit all over but i think that one gave me weird reactions like flashing headaches back when I was taking the herbs. I'm thinking of trying blackwalnut hulls and cloves, maybe that can help a little.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
They do go everywhere they can sit and eat. Have you tried humaworm or parastroy? The one you picked out looks good too. Also, have you tried taking a binder before taking herbs? Binders can limit the toxic effects of die off.
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Can digestive enzymes makes worms suddenly start appearing in stool? Everyone tx'ed for pinworms last week. They just made an appearance in child's stool. Started on digestive enzymes a few days ago is the only thing different.

I did a raw garlic enema and the next day had brown first morning urine (all normal after that). I haven't seen that since I first started bactrim, when I had it each morning for almost a week. I wonder if the garlic enema caused babs die off? Also I think it caused lots of sesame seed looking stuff to exit the next day.

Re the scattering, I get creepy crawly feelings all over my body, especially my head and back. I've read that can be associated with bart too, except that parasite meds make the crawlies stop while my bart sx blow up like crazy. I also suspect some parasite is responsible for my sinus congestion, I have become very suspicious of the tiny "strings" that exit with my mucous and from my eyes.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Something came in today that shows how passive doctors are about this. I got a ct scan from a regular doctor here (since it is free to go to and can get tests done) and CT scan shows all fine except "Prominent right lobe of liver with a Riedels lobe." - My guess is from liver flukes.

Anyway around a year ago I did hulda clark herbs which I used a few types - including one called parasite purge - this one got out something big on my first dose - somethin like a rope worm - considerng trying this again. Its manafacture date is tw years old but id guess it may still work.

Also something from amazon called parazyte or something and Quantum worm parasite formula.

I think oatly why i stopped is i started getting zapping like headaches when i would take it and my guess is it was the wormwood - maybe limited to a few days at a time could be better then days straight for weeks, etc

With me the stuff is all over though -(herbs seems to mae things more active too) head, neck, shoulders, etc i like the meds since theyre strong but to date prazi, iver and albendazolw hasnt seem to got stuff out whereas herbs did around two summers ago.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Gz, parasites hate garlic. Sesame seed looking things can be eggs. Tiny strings sounds like worms. I doubt digestive enzymes would make them start appearing, but whatever works. Sometimes doing something different makes them exit.

It's probably more due to the full moon coming up (when parasites reproduce). Now is the time to keep treating.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Xelaetaks, for me, zapping headaches comes when I detox heavy metals. Parasites carry heavy metals, and when they die they give them to their host. This is why it is important to take a binder prior to hitting them. It will lessen the herx by collecting the toxins being released as they die.

I have found it's best for me to take something to kill parasites all the time, and especially before the full moon. When I gave them a break, they just reproduced and I slid backwards.

[ 12-29-2014, 12:09 AM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Is a binder something like characol? Anyway I think im gonna start the herbs soon. Is it ok to start with one herb capsule like a low dose or better to start full dose?

Yesterday d.e. seemed to give temporary improved digestion so that helped a little.

Thanks
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Always start slow with any protocol and ramp up slowly so you don't herx too hard. Some digestive enzymes can chew up the parasites, but it was probably the garlic that made them exit.

Like Catgirl says, keep treating because taking a break from antiparasitics lets them reproduce. Also extra cloves helps kill the eggs.

Gael
 
Posted by Mvdr (Member # 43034) on :
 
Hello, all. I am about a year into treatment for Lyme and feeling about 70% on a fairly regular basis now. I stopped all pharma. treatments in Sept. as I just couldn't take it anymore. I switched to a Naturpathic Dr. who I believe has saved my life. He is not an LLND but a gifted healer.

I did Diatomaceous Earth (sp?) for 3 1/2 mos. which he says got rid of the parasites. I also do crushed raw garlic with honey, bee pollen, coconut oil and lemon juice about every 3 days.

In your opinions, should I be continuing to treat for parasites? The thought of them really freaks me out! Thank you.
 
Posted by Wayne (Member # 42755) on :
 
Mvdr, congratulations on your significant improvements. I take diatomacious earth regularly, not only for parasites, but for the nutrient value as well.

Thought you all might find this snippet interesting. It came from a website that has some of the best information I've found on Diatomaceous Earth. It describes how it simple it is to take, and how it can be so helpful for our health (and is relatively cheap). It mentions that because DE shreds parasites and their eggs, it's seldom they will be noticed in our stools. But a lot of people do report feeling better after having taking it for 2-3 months.

http://howtousediatomaceousearth.com/uses/human-uses/worms-and-parasites/
............................

Bone Strength
A small amount of Diatomaceous Earth gets absorbed into the blood stream as silica. The benefits of silica are many. In today’s grains, there is actually a shortage of silica.Years ago, the silica found in our foodstuffs was adequate, but with today’s hybrids and depleted soils, only about 1/3 of the silica needed is supplied in our food. DE is a simple and inexpensive way to get the silica your body needs.

Silica is the absolute most important nutrient for bone strength. Silica not only aids with calcium absorption, but it is also essential for the collagen matrix that gives the bones the majority of their strength. In addition the piezoelectric effect of silica is what allows mineralization of the collagen matrix. In other words, without sufficient silica all of the calcium, magnesium, phosphorus….. will not do anything for the bones. Silica can help prevent visual problems from aging due to loss of flexibility of the lens of the eye. It is great for tendonitis and other similar problems due to the strengthening and anti-inflammatory properties of silica. Silica also links together glucosamine molecules to form chondroitin molecules for the production of cartilage. these are a few of the beneficial properties of silica.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thank you for all of this good information. I had forgotten how beneficial DE could be. I have some stashed away from Perma Guard and reading this makes me want to start using it again.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mvdr:
Hello, all. I am about a year into treatment for Lyme and feeling about 70% on a fairly regular basis now. I stopped all pharma. treatments in Sept. as I just couldn't take it anymore. I switched to a Naturpathic Dr. who I believe has saved my life. He is not an LLND but a gifted healer.

I did Diatomaceous Earth (sp?) for 3 1/2 mos. which he says got rid of the parasites. I also do crushed raw garlic with honey, bee pollen, coconut oil and lemon juice about every 3 days.

In your opinions, should I be continuing to treat for parasites? The thought of them really freaks me out! Thank you.

ABSOLUTELY, keep treating. I know the thought of parasites freaks people out (it did me). Now it's like a science experiment for me.

DE gets the small stuff but was not enough for me. I used everything I could get my hands on (herbs, salt/c, etc). I kept working on parasites and a year later a worm finally came out. A whole year of treating! That's how hard it is for some people to get them out. My doc said that for people with babs, parasites don't let go easily. I can vouch for that.

I kept working on them and the more I did, the more worms finally started to come out. Now I pass them practically everyday. I just passed an 8 inch worm the other day. These things grow in us unnoticed. That is their only defense, to go unnoticed. It's okay though, they are part of nature and IMO everyone and everything has them.

The key is to knock them back, just like we do for lyme and co infections, not to mention our pets. I have more energy now than I did when I started treating, and I know it's because of treating parasites.

Mvdr, you might consider trying some herbs too, like humaworm or parastroy. Also salt/c. Combining salt/c and herbs helped me get worms out. I'm talking big worms, and they are still coming.
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
I'm a week into my first experience with Parastroy after a couple rounds of parasite meds. Doing a little salt/c with it too. I've been seeing what I am horrified to think of as being rather long round worms come out of me now, well over a foot long. I only see them exit like this with water enemas.

Often I feel like there is something that needs to come out, but never quite ready too. Thinking now it's because that something has been a worm or two that runs up into my bowels some distance and isn't fully down yet. Ugh.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Right on Gz! I know they are gross, but at least you are getting them out of you which is all good. They can't take the herbs and salt/c. Coffee enemas get more worms out of me than anything, plus they detox the liver and make me feel much better.

Keep up the good work! Now is the time they are reproducing (before the full moon).
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Coffee enemas are great. Since I've begun them I have a much clearer picture of how important detoxing is to the rest of tx. I have been feeling so much better with them. They make me pass a lot of stuff too, but I usually can't see what it is.

I did a good bit of salt/c with the meds, but didn't notice anything like I'm having now. The herbs have a definite place in parasite tx for me.
 
Posted by Mvdr (Member # 43034) on :
 
Thank you all. I will definitely be trying your suggestions. Be well!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Gz, I know, I can't say enough about them (coffee enemas)! You can use a wooden skewer to examine stuff, that way you will have a better idea of what comes out. I rarely saw anything before doing this.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Wayne:
Mvdr, congratulations on your significant improvements. I take diatomacious earth regularly, not only for parasites, but for the nutrient value as well.

Thought you all might find this snippet interesting. It came from a website that has some of the best information I've found on Diatomaceous Earth. It describes how it simple it is to take, and how it can be so helpful for our health (and is relatively cheap). It mentions that because DE shreds parasites and their eggs, it's seldom they will be noticed in our stools. But a lot of people do report feeling better after having taking it for 2-3 months.

http://howtousediatomaceousearth.com/uses/human-uses/worms-and-parasites/
............................

Bone Strength
A small amount of Diatomaceous Earth gets absorbed into the blood stream as silica. The benefits of silica are many. In today’s grains, there is actually a shortage of silica.Years ago, the silica found in our foodstuffs was adequate, but with today’s hybrids and depleted soils, only about 1/3 of the silica needed is supplied in our food. DE is a simple and inexpensive way to get the silica your body needs.

Silica is the absolute most important nutrient for bone strength. Silica not only aids with calcium absorption, but it is also essential for the collagen matrix that gives the bones the majority of their strength. In addition the piezoelectric effect of silica is what allows mineralization of the collagen matrix. In other words, without sufficient silica all of the calcium, magnesium, phosphorus….. will not do anything for the bones. Silica can help prevent visual problems from aging due to loss of flexibility of the lens of the eye. It is great for tendonitis and other similar problems due to the strengthening and anti-inflammatory properties of silica. Silica also links together glucosamine molecules to form chondroitin molecules for the production of cartilage. these are a few of the beneficial properties of silica.

Really good info Wayne!
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone here try fenbendazole? It seems like it could be broad spectrum. If so has it helped you and is it easy on the body compRed to other stuff?

Thanks
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
I haven't used fenbendazole, but albendazole which is in the same family. For me, all of the antiparasitic pharms I have used only made me feel better. The albendazole did seem a little "rough" in that I got a bit of bloating and gas from it, but it's not intolerable and herbs and artemisinin are bad for that too.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Albendazold did give me some help when I first took it a while ago. It is something I use sometimes since it is systemic. Only issue with it is it seems to cause liver area pain on it and I think it's not cause of enzymes or something like that but rather it may bother something like flukes but it isn't effective enough on its own to kill them, it does seem to help some things though.
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Man suffers from headaches for years, doctors find tapeworm moving in brain.

http://fox6now.com/2015/01/20/man-suffers-from-headaches-for-years-doctors-find-tapeworm-moving-in-brain/
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Thanks for posting Lymedin. Amazing that most doctors are not aware of how parasites can cause so much illness. The CDC recently came out with a report that 60 million people in the US alone are infected with parasites.

Gael
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
"Profound Improvement Experienced with Parasite Treatment

These theories aren’t just academic. In fact, many Lyme sufferers are noticing huge improvements when using various anti-worm protocols.


But it is important to be very clear here: Most of the well-known and often-used anti-parasite cleanses and herbal preparations are not capable of eradicating the parasites involved in Lyme disease. Keep reading to discover new solutions which offer much greater efficacy."


PARASITES AND WORMS: THE NEW LYME DISEASE CO-INFECTION?

http://www.publichealthalert.org/parasites-and-worms-the-new-lyme-disease-co-infection.html
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
As I completed a 3rd round of parasite meds, I noticed less of the worm strings being expelled from my eyes, even had a few days with no worms at all! (There's usually at least a half dozen between both eyes.)

I'm a week back on herbs with a little salt/c and seeing the usual amount of worms coming from my eyes again. I find myself looking forward to each round of the parasite meds. I think parasite herbs are really good for the things in my gut.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Awesome piece Lymedin2010! It's so obvious to me that parasites hold people back.

Gz, good for you for not giving up. You are not alone, worms and lyme love the eyes. Parasite meds really helped my eyes (floaters).
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Bringing this up for golf...they need help with lung worm
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
[Smile]
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Hi guys. Long time no see. Something happened to me and its gross but i hope good news

I have been txing with buhner tea for about a month and feeling alot better

I have gradualy been adding cinnamon, ginger,nutmeg and cloves torecipes. In pretty high amounts

I Made a soup that came out kinda bland so i doctored it up with garlic, bay leaves and cloves. About a tablespoon cloves and there us about 16 servings of soup

The second and third day i had the soup i ended up having bouts of explosive diahrea. And the toilet bowl is full of little white worms in mucous. Also seseme shaped seed things i often get are coming out of my skin like crazy. And i am coughing up little white worms in mucous

The worms all loik very similar. Small, stringy, white

Once i had some thing like them but mush longer

The ones i cough up are different...they are more thick and shaped sorta like a (

Anyway...does any of this make sense to you experts? Can such a small amount of cloves do so much?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Cloves are excellent for purging worms and eggs. So Happy you are seeing some results. Keep up with ALL of the spice you are consuming as they are antiparasitic. Ticks carry many different parasites and are keeping us in a chronic state of illness.
Soup sounds tasty Ip! [Big Grin]

Gael
 
Posted by Atta (Member # 30786) on :
 
I've done herbal tinctures of wormwood, black walnut, etc. from my homeopath along with the rife and am now on the Hulda Clark maintenance once a week for parasites. I know they are no where close to being out of me. But...my kidneys are taking a hit even with taking the herbs once a week.

Has anyone else had problems with their kidneys while on a parasite cleanse and what did you do to keep them healthy? I'd love to continue but I'm concerned I'm damaging them too much and I"m already on the Hulda Clark kidney tea to support and obviously still quite toxic.

Also, any feedback from anyone else who's done Hulda Clark-did you like her protocol?

Thanks!
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this back up for Jessig
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Atta, coffee enemas help detox the liver and kidneys fast. I feel so much better, they are so worth it. That is how I am able to take the herbs everyday. Now is the time to hit parasites as the full moon is coming up.

Another great bonus about coffee enemas is they get the worms out. Whenever I do a coffee enema, the next day I see a worm. No coffee enema, no worm.
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Some needed updates...

Last week I finished up another round of parasite meds. I seem to be loaded with ascaris. I flushed out some very distinct specimens, worthy of preservation [Big Grin] . Once a huge tangled ball of them [Eek!]

There were visible red lines in many of them. Was this a primitive circulatory system? nerve cord? No... it was their intestine I was seeing.

According to everything I have read about ascaris, they free float in the intestines and absorb nutrients, not the hosts blood. Seeing freshly flushed out worms with bright red intestines makes me ponder otherwise.

Parasiteinfo.com says about ascaris, "Up to approximately one hundred roundworm worms can infect a single human host." I totally disagree with that statement!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Fascinating (their intestines)! Good work Gz! I've passed nests of worms before too. Gross but imagine how many people have them and don't even know it.
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
With this last round of meds, I have also saw a bunch of cresent shaped/"C" shaped things, about the size of a pencil eraser diameter or smaller. Any clue what they could be? Maybe I don't want to know ha ha.

I have also been passing large ropes of stuff. There is a definite pattern for me related to the process of how they leave my body. Whether this is ropeworm/mucoid plaque/other intestinal sludge, I believe it plays a huge role in my getting better.

One of the things I notice in the days before I start passing ropes is that I pass enormous amounts of small parasites. It's like every critter from lymephotos brought their friends to the shindig in my toiletbowl. This follows a period of having had intestinal discomfort.

Sometimes I have felt instantly amazing, almost euphoric, after passing these ropes. Other times I don't get relief, because there are others still in process of moving out at the same time.

I believe these masses of ropes are likely to contain biofilm and colonies of parasites and microorganisms. While I think it is normal for humans to have parasites, I think if someone has stealth infections, addressing parasites can be a critical element in eliminating biofilm mass that protects these infections.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I know what you mean about feeling better after passing rope worms. I think it's getting rid of all their toxins. They release a ton. I've been working on them for over a year, and still passing them.

I agree, I think it is normal for everyone and everything to have parasites, but not massive infections like we have. They hold people back, and I believe most don't even know they have them.

Bart and proto make lots of biofilm (tons more with proto), and it protects these guys for sure. Are you doing coffee enemas too? Sometimes that is all I need to get them out.
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Keep on fighting the good fight [Smile] . I do coffee enemas every day. I pass a lot of ropes with that alone. I notice when I get into the second week of parasite pharms I get symptoms there is a lot of stuff letting go at once. This last round was pretty intense with the amount of ropes.

It makes sense for us to have tons of parasites. It is the immune system that keeps them in check. If things like lyme and coinfections are proliferating while depressing the immune system, parasites are going to have a heyday as well.

I suspect I have proto, have the symptoms of it. I seem to have two distinct sets of symptoms that I thought were all babs, thinking one might be proto, unless it's two different babs or something else entirely.

I've read about people passing ropes for years. Anything that lives in our intestines makes a lot of biofilm. Freaks me out seeing so many huge things as ascaris worms. Just think of how much biofilm a single worm is capable of secreting. The cozy cement that keeps all the critters together.

I am starting to have a few normal hours a few times a week. I am hoping it's the beginnings of getting better. I know for sure I wouldn't be feeling it if I wasn't addressing the parasite/BIOFILM in the gut issue.
 
Posted by Maya12 (Member # 36392) on :
 
I have a question. Can vitamin c only and no salt kill parasites?

I started taking vit c recently and am now passing them but no salt.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone have link to order easy to use enema? Also can disposable enema be worth using?

Thanks
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Maya, whatever works for you great! Vit c alone never made me pass worms though.

Xelaetaks, I never cared much for the disposable ones (can't really control the amount of air that gets in you), but I do like this one (think it was $15):

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-combination-douche,-enema-and-water-bottle-system/ID=prod17207-product
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
I use the red bag enema combo. If a local walmart carries it, you can get it for less than $5.

I think if the vitamin c is clearing the bowels it could make a lot more stuff come out visible, as opposed to more digested.
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
The worm strings I get in my eyes stayed gone about 2.5 weeks this time. The crawling sensations are starting to come back too. They take longer to return with each med round I do.

I found some info saying the worm strings in the eyes are a form of candida. If this is the case, the fact that they clear with parasite tx gives a lot of support to the "russian doll" principle.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Gz, I hear you. Amazing how parasite meds help with the eyes.

Been passing worms all weekend (full moon). I forgot to take a binder one day though and felt bad all day. I'm usually okay if I take humaworm (has psyllium in it) but I didn't take humaworm this time and wham. Thankfully a coffee enema pulled me out of it.

The week after the full moon is still a very active time for them too.
 
Posted by Atta (Member # 30786) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl!

I was doing coffee enemas for a while but stopped because it was affecting the kidneys but that was a while back before I even started with a kidney cleanse.

I've since stopped my Hulda Clark parasite herbs which were also really hurting my kidneys and since then have felt a lot of kidney improvement. So I think I will give it another go...maybe after a colonic which I have been doing recently and am pretty sure I've had some fragments of ropeworm in the toilet afterwards..

Right now for parasites, candida, and apparently lyme and cos by the way I am herxing, I am using Cold pressed Coriander oil and Cold Pressed Black Cumin seed oil.

Holy Moly, four weeks in I am experiencing rotating joint pain, muscle fatigue, emotional swings, hot/cold flashes, exhaustion....So I know I'm killing and not properly detoxing...I think it's time to try those coffee enemas again [Smile]
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
I have been working sporadically to try to kill a very large tapeworm in my small intestine.

These seem much more difficult to get than other kinds of worms (a good many of which I released a long time ago), in large part because they sequester heavy metals and then release them. That has made me really sick if I have gone too fast, so this has been a long process.

The other issue that I have is that my intestines are pretty stuck together with adhesions. I actually wonder if the tapeworm toxins causes the adhesions. But in any case, this makes the issue more difficult since it seems to provide some protection to the tapeworm (keeping it from being moved out of the system).

Recently I have been using a variety of typical parasite herbs in high doses. Also some of a product called "Rascal," which has pumpkin seeds and is supposed to be specifically for tapeworms.

What I feel like when I take doses of herbs is that the parasite goes into almost rigor mortis. I get a stabbing feeling and a feeling of that section of the abdomen feeling stiff and hard.

Once in a while, I can feel the tapeworm crawl to a different part of my small intestine. Right now, it is toward the top. Like right under my stomach.

I feel less sick from the toxins than I used to, so that part is good. But I have heard of so few success stories of people successfully killing tapeworms (as opposed to other worms) that I am discouraged.

I do feel that the worm is much smaller than it used to be, and I have expelled a whole bunch of stuff over time. But it seems really stubborn.

I do water enemas and coffee enemas, and herbal laxatives of various sorts. And I have been adding some fiber (such as acacia fiber), and gone back to trying bentonite. And I eat enormous amounts of fermented foods (and almost nothing else).

What else should I be trying if I want to be aggressive at this point?

It sounds like one suggestion in Salt-C, which I've never really pursued before.

I've taken a lot of DE over time, and it seems to irritate this thing too.

What about ozone? I only have a little water purifying machine, but I am wondering about drinking the water or using it in enemas. It's been a while since I've done that. Or maybe an expensive machine would work better.

Other thoughts?

Thanks much......
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
The adhesions might just be more worms. I have passed tons of worms, so imagine how they can get grow, move and block things. It's also never just one worm.

I also get the stabbing feelings in my abdomen too when I hit them hard. I can also feel movement. Are you sure it's just a tapeworm? I know that rope worms at a certain stage can propel themselves (gas) which might feel like movement (they actually are moving through intestines).

You might want to meet with a Dr. K practitioner for tape worm treatment.

The only other thing I can suggest is to mix salt/c with herbs (not at the same time). Salt really does give the herbs that extra push to help them let go and exit. Also, I've mixed a couple of different parasite products before (helps). These things adapt, so I have to change it up.

Hopefully someone with ozone experience can give you some input for parasites.

There are probably more things (equipment), but my brain is zoning out right now. Hang in there!

[ 04-25-2015, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
So i just passed a rope worm this morning. I did an MMS enema yesterday, so i guess its doing something.

My LLMD actually sugested going after rope worms having been to some seminars (from klinghardt i guess). He mentioned the Gubarev prototol. Gubarev enemas are based on milk/salt or eucalyptus leaves/oil and there are some other types as well. Has anyone have experience with this?

How to get the freaking things out?? What diet is best? I think avoiding sugar and carbs is the minimum (already doing that), but are there other suggestions? I think ive read somewhere that even B vitamin supplements feed these parasites...

Could i have finally found the source of my relentless brain fog, nausea, belching, indigestion, twitching? I always figured it was bartonella, cause symtoms seem to decrease with rifampin (but never go away). But now i understand rifampin actually hits a lot of parasites as well. Hmmm stuff to think about...
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Wow, congrats on passing ropes. I hope you are feeling better from it!

I've done the Gubarev enema protocol a couple of times. There are some pretty good threads over at curezone about it, here is one of them:

http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2118556

I found the enema series helpful. If you try it I highly recommend starting out with a smaller quantity of eucalyptus oil than is recommended. It can be incredibly irritating, as I discovered.

The eucalyptus enema was instantly systemic. It cleared my sinuses far better than any type of inhalation could have. I feel like I had body odor from it for less than a day, not sure if it was some kind of detox reaction or other or if it was just how I was perceiving smell. I have seen people talk about getting ropes out with just regular eucalyptus enemas.

I do daily coffee enemas for detox and I pass lots of ropes with those alone, even before I tried the Gubarev protocol. Since I began coffee enemas I have done multiple rounds of parasite meds, which also moves the ropes out.

I think low sugar/carbs is best, most pathogens and parasites need your dietary glucose to survive/thrive. I didn't know about the B vitamins, thanks for mentioning that! Taking enzymes on an empty stomach seems to help get more stuff out also.

When I began treating parasites, I saw a reduction/disappearance in many of the symptoms you mention. Many I thought were from bart. Parasites provide cover for bartonella and other pathogens in addition to producing lots of biofilm. When I first started treating parasites I had intense bartonella flares.

Treating parasites has been the biggest single factor in the improvements I have been experiencing. I feel like it's probably difficult for most people to get better without addressing them.
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Thank you! I was a bit skeptic about the whole rope worm idea, but having seen them i know they are real. Whether or not they are actually worms remains to be seen of course. Perhaps it has more to do with mucous colonies of microscopic parasites. Anyway next time ill throw some of it under the microscope and try to make a giemsa stain to see what bacteria it holds.

A year a go i was also convinced there were parasites involved with my illness, but ivermectin and alinia didnt seem to help. Well, ivermectin does help with babesia night sweats tbh, but thats it. I was a bit disappointed at the time.
Perhaps i need to look more in to the albendazole/mebendazole treatment, or even pyrantel and praziquantel (biltricide). I did try albenza for 2 weeks, and got some reaction out of it, so perhaps it needs more time, or different combination with other antiparasitics? Also my diet at the time wasnt great, lots of carbs, so i may have been feeding them more then i was killing them?

I actually bought some milk and salt today so i can try the gubarev enema. Im not sure if this type is less effective than the eucalyptus enema? Anyway, i feel its good to alternate between the MMS enemas and the gubarev enemas (which is done only once every 4 days).

What im wondering is if people get cured by doing those enemas? It seems like it only hits the large intestine, so more worms will continue to poor downstream from the small intestine i think?
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Re the antiparasitics and ropeworms, albendazole was a heavy hitter for me for moving the ropes. I used it in two week courses paired with another parasite med, often not seeing much the first week but then passing tons of stuff the next week and longer.

I've also had some good results with pyrantel/iver. I think too it's just what's ready and there to let go when you start nudging with treatments.

I don't think the milk/salt enema is less effective than the eucalyptus, but it has a different function.

Anything you put into your colon can be systemically absorbed straight to the bloodstream. Medications, nutrition, alcohol, toxins, water, anything. One way coffee and other types of enemas are effective is they can stimulate the liver to dump its bile to the intestines, which can effectively clear the liver and allow you to catch toxins for binding. I saw liver flukes after my second coffee enema.

The intestine is often a hangout for adult stages of parasites large enough for us to see, while microscopic ones and larval stages are there and travel throughout the body too. Enticing them to leave interrupts the life cycle, hopefully decreasing numbers over time.

I agree that this is probably some type of colony of a bunch of stuff. Before I pass a rope I feel very ill with GI discomfort, and expel tons of small parasite looking stuff. I see a distinct pattern with rope expulsion. It will be interesting to see what you find under magnification!

I began treating parasites on a hunch, and I never imagined I would get the visual confirmations I have gotten! I treat my lyme with abx, but feel like everything could come back if I allowed too many protective parasites to remain in the gut/body and my immune system couldn't kick them. If we are immune suppressed and can't kick TBD's without help, we probably need help with the other parasites too.

Also if we have parasites and biofilm interfering with our gut function, then getting that stuff cleared out so the gut can heal should help the immune system overall, which should make it easier to treat TBD's.
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Perhaps these parasites are a result of an immune system that gets stuck in the Th1 response?

Th1 is the proinflammatory side of the immune system which primarily goes after intracellular infections (like lyme and bacterial co-infections).

Th2 is associated with extracellular antigen expression and is normally needed for things like helminth infections.

The immune system can only go either way. It cant do both Th1 and Th2 at the same time.

So what if all these people who are initially not sick, keeping their parasitic worm infections under control with a Th2 shifted immune system, and then lyme comes a long? The chronic lyme infection forces the immune system to shift to Th1, and so all parasitic worm infections can now feast and grow out of control. Their toxins (and heavy metal build up) keep the immune system functioning poorly, so the lyme infection will never be resolved. And if the lyme is not resolved then neither will the parasitic infection. Thats a clear deadlock situation if you ask me!
Just food for thought.

We have to break the vicious cycle. And perhaps treating the parasites and heavy metals which keep immune function poorly is a better way to go than to keep hammering at the bacterial lyme&co infections?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by gz:


I began treating parasites on a hunch, and I never imagined I would get the visual confirmations I have gotten! I treat my lyme with abx, but feel like everything could come back if I allowed too many protective parasites to remain in the gut/body and my immune system couldn't kick them. If we are immune suppressed and can't kick TBD's without help, we probably need help with the other parasites too.

Also if we have parasites and biofilm interfering with our gut function, then getting that stuff cleared out so the gut can heal should help the immune system overall, which should make it easier to treat TBD's.

Right on Gz (completely agree)! Parasites hold people back, period. So happy you are getting good results!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
S13 or anyone else, I think parasites are simply part of nature and everyone and everything has them. Their eggs are in the air, on our food, etc. IMO, it's normal to have them for the recycling process in nature. Lyme patients need to knock them back, as they are just one more thing for our bodies to deal with.

As far as ropes go, humaworm and para cleaner gets them out of me, as well as coffee enemas. These worms took forever for me to find and get them out. LOTS and LOTS of work. So (for new people or anyone unfamiliar) just taking a product or med and seeing nothing means nothing.

Keep trying, and you will see something come out, even if it's not rope worms, other parasites/eggs will show up. For people with babs or proto, the worms hold on, big time.

I've taken and mixed different products along with salt/c. Adding salt c in works. Rotating products or adding an additional one works as well. These things adapt, so just like treating lyme and company, rotating stuff helps.

Another thing about rope worms, they have the unique ability to avoid detection by autolysis (sp?) which means the minute they know the are not in the right place (colon) or dying, they release an enzyme to dissolve themselves so their host does not detect them and treat further. This protects their clan. I know it sounds nuts, but it's quite real and makes perfect sense in nature.

I once saw them after a coffee enema, but forgot to flush. I came back to clean up about an hour later, lifted the toiled lid and they were like jelly, sort of like egg white consistency. I think most would think what they were seeing was biofilm or yeast. Not the case. I think it's fascinating that they can do this.

The more I treat, the better I feel. Keep treating (don't give up)!
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by S13:
Anyway next time ill throw some of it under the microscope and try to make a giemsa stain to see what bacteria it holds.

I would be very interested in learning and seeing what you find. Definitely post it in the microscopy thread, too.
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
Also, S13,

Thanks for the clear Th1 and Th2 explanation! That would line up well with my experience, that's for sure.
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Sure, no problem. If you want to know more there is a good website explaining the Th balance:
http://selfhacked.com/2014/06/16/supplements-foods-exercise-right-type-th1-vs-th2-dominance/


So i made some picture today of the Rope worm. It can get a bit graphical, so i hope im not ruining this thread [Wink]

So here is a loose piece about 5cm long:
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Click for larger image.

Under the microscope, 400x mag, this is what it lookes like:
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You can see its made from some kind of cellular material, but very irregular. The brown stuff are probably pieces of food that got stuck in the slime. You can also see the slime actually shaping or curving the cellular-like material. The cellular material is roughly the same size as a white or red blood cell, so in the range of ~5-10um diameter.

So the next image shows an edge of the "worm", and has been stained with a Giemsa solution:
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Interesting is that there is almost no visible staining of bacterial, protozoal, or cellular material. Except for the small blue dot that is probably a couple of bacteria clumped together. This kind of struck me when i was looking under the microscope. There was hardly any moving bacteria in this slime! Perhaps it has something to do with the fact these "worms" originate from the small intestine which is supposed to be sterile. So as the slime grows, no bacteria are embedded.

So for these rope worms i made a few observations:
- There is some kind of cellular like material, hold together with slimy substance, but it is very chaotic (totally unlike normal multicellular organisms)
- There are no white blood cells involved, no red bloodcells and im pretty sure no other human cells because of a lack of DNA staining from the giemsa solution
- Perhaps these are not cells at all, perhaps they are parasitic eggs of some kind (a harder shell like structure could perhaps keep the staining material away from the internal DNA)

So in my opionion it has little to do with an actual worm, and possibly more with parasitic colonies. But again, pure speculation!


I also took some samples of normal feces to check for any irregularities. And there is this one structure that strikes me as "remarkable" (im no expert at reading poo, but this stood out for me):
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So its actually these small worm like creatures. They are quite large, about 50um - 100um in length is my best guess. Still invisible to the naked eye, but large for a microscope. There are 5 of these worms in the picture. On the bottom 2 are joined side by side.

Close up of the 2 side by side worms:
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And another one:
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As you can see, these worms have a pretty regular structure, multicellular, much unlike the larger rope worms.
The thing which looks like a long coil spring is actually plant based material, so thats from what i ate before.

But these small worms, im not sure about them? Does anyone recognize them? Maybe they have something to do with the rope worms, maybe they dont.
Perhaps a kind of strongyloide in its earlier phases?
I sure hope i have finally found the parasite that is keeping me sick!
 
Posted by GretaM (Member # 40917) on :
 
Great post S13. I love the lab stuff.
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Ok, ive been looking around some more. Mabye the small "worms" in the feces ive posted above are actually plant hairs.
https://www.google.nl/search?q=plant+hair+microscope&safe=off&biw=1430&bih=884&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=gB4-VbLGCdDnaI6hgPgG&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
There are lots of different plant hairs so its difficult to identify or confirm its actually plant hair. But in that case there are no worms in my feces.

There is something else ive seen in my blood a long time a go:
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Could be an artifact, contamination, or a parasite. It is clearly being attacked by white blood cells. You can see them sticking on all the sides of the "worm".

So maybe this is the parasite im looking for?

Another manual time lapse of live blood shows growth of an unknown worm like creature. In the image below they are very small, maybe 20-30um long. The bigger worm in the blood above is much bigger, over 300um long. But perhaps these smaller parasites are young larva that hatch and eventually will grow to these bigger worms? Who will know?
Anyway the time lapse that shows the growth:
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This was captured by pure luck btw, and i dont see them very often. Maybe the parasites (and/or eggs?) cycle in and out of the blood?

More mysteries!! Yay! [Smile]
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Wow im actually starting to suspect i have systemic Trichinosis! Given my reaction to albendazole, my muscular problems, puffy red eyes (bags), strange rashes, nausea. Ive always said that my muscles feel toxified, like something is poisoning them from within. Perhaps its the Trichinella cysts that invade the muscle tissue.

Systemic trichinosis can cause a lot of neurological problems as well from what ive read. And its very tricky to treat (perhaps thats why my short course of albenza showed some improvement, but no cure)

Great.

Anyone suggestions for treating this stuff? Longer term albendazole? Rotation antiparasitic herbs? Iver and alinia did not help at all.

I may look in to getting a muscle biopsy to verify this worm infestation.
 
Posted by anverss (Member # 45382) on :
 
I have been treated for more than a year for lyme (bor., myco). But haven't made any real progress. My biggest issues are severe weight loss, psychological problems, bloating and fatigue. Is it possible that parasites or worms can cause the severe weight loss?

I have been taking wormwood for 2 months now and saw some roundworms in my stool.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Welcome anverss!

I think it is possible that parasites can cause severe weight loss. I also believe lyme fits in there as well. Check out the symptoms of parasites below.

Great you found roundworms! Wormwood will help, but unless you are hitting them with the big 3 all at once: wormwood, black walnut hulls and cloves, you won't really do much. The eggs will still live, and the bugs will still thrive.

Now is a great time to hit them before the full moon.

https://humaworm.com/formula.html

https://humaworm.com/symptoms.html

https://humaworm.com/deworming.html
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by anverss:
I have been treated for more than a year for lyme (bor., myco). But haven't made any real progress. My biggest issues are severe weight loss, psychological problems, bloating and fatigue. Is it possible that parasites or worms can cause the severe weight loss?

I have been taking wormwood for 2 months now and saw some roundworms in my stool.

Severe weight loss is one of my problems as well. And belching, nausea, psychological problems, fatigue, twitching, shortness of breath, toxic restless muscle sensation, excessive transpiration, pounding heart, etc.

A trial with 4 days of water fasting was quite remarkable actually. I had to be careful with being underweight already, but i really felt a lot was dying when i fasted. They say water fasting can be very beneficial for killing parasites. It was a horrible experience btw and I was only able to fast for 4 days, before i gave up due to extreme increase in symptoms. Lost 6 pounds, but strangely also gained them back in the 3 days after the water fast. Doctor said i looked better afterwards then i had in a long time. In hindsight the fast was too short to actually kill all of the bad guys, so a week after the fast i had lost the gains i had made.
But i must have killed some of them, thats for sure.

Maybe i will do some more short water fasting in the future. Albendazole now seems to be hitting it in some way, but i doubt it will be sufficient to actually kill it all (especially if some of them are encysted)

I will also do a new trial with Giemsa blood smears and live blood analysis at different times of the day (especially at night, like 3am, 5am, 7am or something like that). Perhaps they will show up in more significant numbers that way. Ive always wondered why my nausea was so bad at 5-6am in the morning. Maybe the parasites have a night time schedule or something...
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Ok ive captured another nematode like worm in my blood:

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Darkfield overview

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Bright field close up of the head (for nematodes i think the small end is the head, the large end is the rear, but this seems to differ with species)
The red stuff are red bloodcells, which are approx 7um in diameter. So the nematode is about 250-300um long. Just small enough to be invisible by the naked eye.

It has a lot of the same features as the previous blood worm i posted. Including the narrow channel inside the worm. This could be part of the digestive or reproductive system of the nematode.

Am i seeing these worms more now that im taking albendazole? All of the worm samples ive found so far are dead. But perhaps dead is the only time they float freely throughout the blood? Alive they could be hatching on to the inside of the blood vessels? Or hiding in tissue?

More challenge testing to come...
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Ive posted a video on youtube that shows the possible nematode getting attacked by 2 white blood cells:

https://youtu.be/sKI-qiWZ4ek

The WBC's are the greenish globs that move rapidly (well its time lapse so in reality they move really slow). The WBC's try to encapsulate the nematode but there are just too few wbc's in this live blood sample to accomplish this.
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Ive found another video by a dark field microscopist that also shows these nematodes in the blood of a human patient:

https://youtu.be/oRFTG35PdsU

Looks very similar to what im seeing in my own blood.

She mentions the possibility of it being a variant of strongyloides. But tbh i think this is just a guessing game. There are probably lots of undiscovered pathogenic nematodes out there, causing different symptoms. But treating them seems a must for me, since a nematode caused Th2 shift will severely block your chances of getting rid of Borrelia (which requires a Th1 pro-inflammatory immune reaction )
 
Posted by TNT (Member # 42349) on :
 
Here is a pretty amazing shot of eosinophils attacking a nematode (definitely looks like a time-lapse):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw_I21RnBWg
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Awesome video TNT!

Im really starting to feel more and more confident this parasitic nematode link is very important in lyme disease, and often overlooked. Especially by the more mainstream LLMDs.
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
hi s13, that is pretty amazing that you were able to find that organism in your blood!

Sorry if I missed this but how often do you take the albendazole? my guess is taking a long course of multiple meds is probably the best route. Have you looked into triclabendazole, fenbendazole, mebendazole, praziquantel etc? But it's great that you have found at least one med that helps you.

Are you familiar with ICU's protocols?
http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=1921385

I think doing blood smears from different points of the day is a very good idea, some parasites have more nocturnal activity, I guess it just depends on the organism.

I'm currently on ivermectin and albenza, once a week. Treating for protomyxzoa. The herxing has been brutal, specially with the ivermectin, but now getting under control as I've started taking montelukast, must be some sort of crazy histamine action going on. I honestly can't believe how helpful the montelukast has been. I don't fully understand the mechanics of what is going on but combo of ivermectin and albenza are working well.

I'd be very curious to know what % of healthy people have parasites vs people with chronic conditions. No doubt we have coexisted with this stuff for thousands of years, and have yet to catalogue the full array of these tricky and often very well-hidden camaflouged organisms. I wonder if a weakened immune system allows parasitic infections the opportunity to springboard into worse symptomatic displays in people, especially those of us with chronic health issues. Wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple factors at work.

Good luck to you in your treatments! keep us posted
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Hey sebreg,
I was amazed too. You almost never read about these things, and that is a big problem i think. I also feel these parasites could easily be missed with microscopy, if one is not actively taking parasite killers. When alive these nematodes dont seem to float around in the blood. Its only when they die is when you get a chance to observe them.

I know about the parasite protocols yes. I have taken albendazole now for 5 days, an planning to do at least 2 weeks, 2x400mg/day. Alinia was not very helpful, ivermectin seems to cause more disturbance of the parasite somehow (more weight loss)

Ive still got praziquantel, Pyrantel and DEC (Diethylcarbamazine) to try.
I will probably do a rotation first to find out what hits it and what not. DEC is not often used, but Bryan Rosner was very positive about it in his book:
http://lymebook.com/ivermectin-albendazole-diethylcarbamazine-alinia-mimosa-pudica

For herbals im looking at Mimosa pudica and liposomal artemisinin, but i will try those later as well. I had some reaction before with artemisinin so maybe it could be helpful with my new eradication program.
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
oh yeah, DEC, I'm very curious about, I've come across it before. Can it sometimes have weird side effects with the eyes?

Lipo artemisinin seems to be a pretty good one for me. Pyrantel seems to work too but it upsets my stomach. Haven't tried praz or alinia but I've been meaning to.

I think I'm going to keep doing the ivermectin/albenza combo for a while and see how far that takes me. I think I can knock this thing pretty far back with this combo. I may try pyrantel again down the line, and test out alinia and praz at some point to see if they cause any herx.

With my doc I'm doing the albenza once a week, I'm fine with that, if you take it everyday for a while you can start losing your hair and I'm way too vain to allow for such a possibility [Wink]

Where would you order mimosa pudica from? it seems rather hard to find.

Thanks for the Rosner link, def heard a bit about him but hadn't really read much of his stuff. The link is very informative and helpful.

It sucks being such a guinea pig but when you've been sick long enough you are willing to try a lot of things!
 
Posted by anverss (Member # 45382) on :
 
Added Enula to my protocol. This seems to do a lot again. Starting with ivermectin,... and enemas in a couple of weeks. But I am a bit scared this will be to much. I am already underweight

Isn't Rosner a fraud?

S13 maybe we can speak in dutch?
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Ive got the mimosa from Biopure.eu. Not sure if its effective or not.

Im not sure about the truth of Rosner's stories, but he seems to line up his parasite protocol with Klinghardt's, and he is one of the few that mentions DEC.

Anverss, enula has some good antiparasitic properties as well. So if it works for you, keep using it! Sure we can talk in dutch if you like, just PM me.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Anverss, good you added Enula as it helps some people with worms. Iver has been a good med for me. Hands down though, coffee enemas have been the best at getting worms out, and now would be the best time to do them (before and after full moon).

Since you are underweight, you might try doing the enemas every other day. I do them every day now, but I managed to put some weight on eating desserts --it took more yeast killers and probiotics, but I managed to gain some weight.

As far as treating, I was underweight and treated hard core. These things are eating our food/nutrients, which may be part of the reason why some people are underweight (too many parasites).

No, Rosner is not a fraud, he's the real deal.

http://lymebook.com/ivermectin-albendazole-diethylcarbamazine-alinia-mimosa-pudica
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Catgirl, very interesting about the autolysis. Another reason we don't see the critters by the time they leave.

S13, awesome microscopy pictures. Thank you so much for posting!! I think nematodes are probably a big issue for many. Filarials carried by ticks farm and harbor Bb. Filarials are easily spread by mosquito bites. I think anyone with Bb should be treat for filarials as well.

So far I still favor using pharma antiparasitics for myself. I've not herxed from them, just had measureable improvement. Often if I don't see results with a certain med, it shows itself to be effective another time. I think timing has a lot to do with it, whether we can control it or not.
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
gz, no problem! Im happy to be able to add something to the community [Wink]

Ive got another picture, showing a dead nematode in my own blood. This time with a hybrid form of darkfield and brightfield microscopy, so you get a bit of depth perception:
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So again, the red objects are red blood cells (just to give a size comparison).
If only i could figure out what the exact species of this nematode is? Any suggestions?

Also, since microfilaria are just the larval stage of the nematode, i wonder where the adult female lives inside the body? The adults are usually much bigger. I would think the digestive tract? That would actually seem logical given my malabsorption, nausea, weight loss, belching and other GI related problems. I would hate to think the adults could be in the abdominal cavity, cause once there they can never be eradicated. Drugs just dont go there...
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Worrisome to ponder, but if we had normally functioning immune systems the worms might not be issue. Perhaps the approach with salt/c could be useful for everything unreachable.

I think filarials can be found various places in the body. If we can't reach them, hopefully we are hitting them at another point in the life cycle. I definitely have them throughout my body, I cycle back onto the meds for a couple weeks when the skin-crawling sensations resume.

I've been able to sleep since I began tx'ing parasites. The insomnia used to be horrific. I still get some sleep issues with bart/lyme, but that is completely manageable compared to what the worms were doing to me!
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
thanks as always for sharing s13, these are amazing photos! but you don't think meds could hit the adults? even with systemic anti-parastics?

I assume that is one reason multi-drug protocol is good is because with the right combo each drug hits different life stages of the parasite.

Glad to hear you are sleeping better GZ! how long have you been treating parasites?
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Well, this is what i read from wikipedia about filariasis:

quote:
The recommended treatment for people outside the United States is albendazole (a broad-spectrum anthelmintic) combined with ivermectin.[4][5] A combination of diethylcarbamazine and albendazole is also effective.[4] All of these treatments are microfilaricides; they have no effect on the adult worms.
Though some sites report DEC can kill some of the adult species.
But we need a way to kill all adults, otherwise the microfilaria just keep coming. And its the adults that probably cause the malnutrition by consuming vast amounts of food we eat, not the larva. But that is my interpretation.

So if regular antihelmintics dont do the job, what can we use? Salt/C? Water fasting? Are there perhaps herbs strong enough (artemisinin/mimosa/wormwood/garlic etc)?

I personally think salt/c only works on the intestine (the body is way to big and strictly regulated when it comes to NA/CL, so it will never cause osmotic shock from the bloodstream). But if the adults are located in the intestine it might just work.
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
oh yes, I think I've seen some studies on this stuff. Now are we talking about lymphatic filariasis?

From what I've understood, even if you can't kill the adults, by dosing once or twice a year you can basically get and keep microfilaria levels to very low near 0 levels and really level out the disease. Which sure, you want to be rid of this thing, but this is the next best thing no?!
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
The best next thing is better than nothing. But with lyme perhaps the adults can cause such a severe Th2 immune system shift, that you become unable to fight off the intracellular borrelia/bartonella/babesia. For that you really need a good Th1 response. Any helmintic infection will just prevent that imo.
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
gotcha, yes this gets tricky I see. tough to figure out a good strategy when dealing with multiple pathogens, I don't know enough about the immune system responses with these illnesses, I need to read up on that as I've seen people bring it up quite often.

You doing ok on the albenzadole? how long have you been treating for lyme/etc?
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
yeah im doing ok for now. Ive been treating for 2.5years now. I was healthy until summer of 2012 when i was bitten by a tick and became ill very fast (literally overnight).
 
Posted by redpiragrl (Member # 45750) on :
 
Hello, I am new. I want to ask if it is possible that my 1 year old could have gotten a parasite after being bitten by a tick? Thanks
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
Hi redpiragrl. I'm sorry to hear that, is your baby exhibiting any symptoms? How long ago was she bitten? I'm certainly no expert but ticks do carry parasites. If you are worried maybe other members can suggest best course of action in terms of what kind of doctors you could visit, hopefully some llmds in your area.

S13: you've improved with treating the lyme? hopefully treating for parasites can get you to the next level if you aren't already there!
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Im hoping that as well. Recently started DEC, planning on alternating it perhaps with albendazole.

But im still not sure that will get rid of the adult nematodes. TBH i dont know where they reside in the body, but im suspecting the small intestine.

I also read that hookworm used to be treated with Epsom salt. The salt would break down the protective mucus layer in the gut, allowing other substances like Thymol to kill the worms.

References:
http://www.parasiteinfo.com/parasites/hookworm.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hookworm

So is that why Salt/C works? Does it remove the protective barrier of worms in the gut? So dont we all need to do that if we have parasites?
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Up for ryan
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Salt puts the parasites into osmotic shock. (dehydrates them) Think of when you put salt on a worm on the sidewalk. They shrivel up.

Gael
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
I've been doing Salt/C for about a week now. I've been doing 1-2 teaspoons of salt and several grams of Vitamin C morning and night. It seems to be making a difference (I am dealing with a tapeworm).

I've been taking castor oil by mouth (followed by coffee) and doing castor oil enemas, on daily basis. This seems much more productive than just coffee enemas.

I seem to remember reading on this thread that it's better not to use anti-parasite herbs in combination with Salt/C. Is that correct? What is the reason for that?

Is there anything else that I should consider doing - or consider not doing - while on this Salt/C protocol?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Starting with 1-2 tsps. is WAY too much. The advised starting doses are 1/4tsp sea salt and 1/4tsp of c mixed in a large glass of water, otherwise you could herx too hard and get dehydrated.

Drink extra water as well as coconut water to help balance electrolytes. Hopefully you are using SEA SALT!!. I have always used antiparasitic herbs along with salt/c as it will pack and extra punch. Again start with a low dose and work up from there.

Gael
 
Posted by slayadragon (Member # 16153) on :
 
This amount seems to be fine, actually.

Plain sea salt seems pretty toxic to me. I am using RealSalt from Utah.

Thanks for the suggestions.
 
Posted by karenl (Member # 17753) on :
 
S13, where did you order your DEC? Do you have a good source? Would like to order it as well.
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Ive send you a PM!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Wow, just passed a 13 inch worm (rope), with several of his friends! He was a thick one too (1/2 inch wide). I feel so much better when they leave.

This must be a crazy full moon coming up, I am testing positive (muscle testing) for lots of anti parasitic stuff (higher doses). Lyme herbs too. I took a ton of cats claw today.
 
Posted by dal123 (Member # 6313) on :
 
What is DEC?
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Yea, catgirl! So great when they move out!

Strange on what you've been noticing, I've been thinking perhaps a sudden increase in my symptoms is need for a parasite treatment, even though it wasn't that long ago I finished a round.

dal123, DEC is diethylcarbamazine, an antiparasitic used to treat filarials.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks gz!

Good to treat before and after full moon, although I am always working on them, as they just lay eggs and repopulate.
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
S13 did you take the DEC? How is that going?

Also, has anyone used lugols iodine for parasites?

Catgirl, are you mostly well now? I know that you have been doing the parasite thing for a while.

[ 06-01-2015, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: Haley ]
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Catgirl...what do you mean a ton. What is a large dose of cats claw. Thx
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Yes ive taken DEC, but only for a short period. For me it didnt seem to change much, compared to ivermectin and albendazole.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Haley, no not well. I'm better in some areas but still have lyme and company. I've also used lugols but not sure it did anything for parasites.

Lp, 2000-4000 mg/day.
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
Catgirl how long have you been doing the anti-parasitics? Which symptoms have subsided? Do you notice is Lugols helps certain symptoms. I'm trying to take one drop a week and it kicks my butt completely.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I've been treating parasites for a couple of years (2 or 3). Neuro symptoms improved a lot, also sinus issues (gone), no more hay fever, and no more teeth pain (grinding).

I have much more energy now than I had before. I actually put on a few pounds this past year (good for me as I was too thin).

Iodine helps me with yeast and thyroid (muscle test) and maybe amoebas (just found this below). Unfortunately, iodine also feeds proto. I take it every few days now but it has taken a long time for me to get to this point. I also only take 3mg.

Maybe it's killing some amoebas, or check out proto, maybe that is doing it to you? Funny, I'm herxing right now and I had iodine today (lol)!


http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-35-iodine.aspx?activeingredientid=35&activeingredientname=iodine
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
[Smile] ;)Hope everyone is doing well! Way to go Catgirl passing that big sucker. Don't forget about using cloves for eggs. I used to put cloves and cinnamon in my coffee and it helped a lot getting rid of a ton of stuff.

Gael
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Catgirl, why do you think iodine "feeds" proto? That seems very unlikely.

quote:
The great advantage of iodine antiseptics is their wide scope of antimicrobial activity, killing all principal pathogens and, given enough time, even spores, which are considered to be the most difficult form of microorganisms to be inactivated by disinfectants and antiseptics.
source

So if iodine basically kills everything (in the right dose), i dont think proto is all of a sudden some kind of exception.

Maybe iodine just exposes another layer of the onion for you?
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
For all of you with parasites in the gut, do any of you have problems with your ileocecal valve?

Ive read that ileocecal valve problems can be triggered by intestinal parasites. And having that valve stuck open is a very bad thing.

So if you do, was there any kind of parasite treatment, or other treatment that helped the ileocecal valve to operate better?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
I have ileocecal valve problems. It feels like a gastroporesis being caused by the parasites bunching up as I am killing them.

Got rid of a TON of parasites/flukes/eggs early on but have smaller parasites that have made their home in my chest well as detected by a cat scan. Am getting rid of this infection little by little using salt/c. and antiparasitic herbs.

Not easy,but am making progress. Don't think their is any simple answer for this. Patience and persistence has been key.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Gael!

S13, minerals feed proto.
 
Posted by Andromeda (Member # 45866) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Tammy N.:
I don't know how stool samples are tested. I just know they are almost always negative. Maybe they take a small smear and look at a small amount and perhaps nothing is visible in that smear?.

Just reading through old threads thing to catch up.

I've done fecal smears before, and what you are looking for depends if you wet mount or dry mount.

If you do the smear immediately as a wet mount, you are looking for motile forms.

In dry mounts, you use various techniques. Like an acid fast, In which you use various stains and rinsing of the slide. In one method, the background would be blue, and the organism would show up, say red, for Cryptosporidium. The staining would be uneven on the structures of the organism.

You can also search for ova (eggs) of the parasites, which is a great way to confirm parasites.

You can also do a gross examination and see certain worms, and tapeworm segments.

A negative stool test could mean, you have no parasites. Or, none were shed in that sample. My main concern is that most fecal samples are not run immediately after collection, and not repeated.

I think some labs will culture (attempt to grow) potential pathogens, or do antigen tests. I was a vet tech so I've only tested animals, which frequently come up positive.

There is a lot of stuff, undigested bits, plant matter and whatnot that look like parasites. Unless you have a large tapeworm, I'm skeptical that what a lot of you are seeing is what you think it is. But as we never deworm ourselves, perhaps they are more common than we think.

The 2 main types of intestinal parasites are helminths and protozoa. Helminths are generally visible to the naked eye in their adult stages only, whereas protozoa are not. These parasites are only visible under magnification, minimally 10x, and clearer at 40x and 100x.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Willy Burgdorfer found Filarial worms in the original ticks he dissected. Dr Eva Sapi a researcher from Conn. found them in over 40% of the ticks she dissected.

I had 20" worms, large and small eggs and flukes as well as a tape worm exit after strong antiparasitics and salt/c. The parasites pictured on www.lymephotos.com also exited from my colon, scalp and mouth.

They appeared as large as they look on the site. I guarantee that most of us are seeing parasites and are NOT delusional!

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Ditto (agree with Gael).
 
Posted by Andromeda (Member # 45866) on :
 
You must have misunderstood my post, I wasn't stating that people don't have or might not see these parasites. Simply that there are a lot of things that LOOK like parasites that aren't.

A really good example is that plant cells look like worms. They can appear long, thin, and transparent. Some are surrounded by blue threads and or purple threads or look very colorful. They are often confused for parasitic nematode worms.

In the lymephoto website, the resolution is pretty poor to be able to determine the structure in a lot of the pictures. Its not magnified enough to separate plant cells from an animal parasite. The overall shape is not enough for ID, the inside structures or mouthpieces need to be shown. Nematodes are bilaterally symmetrical, elongate, and usually tapered at both ends:

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This is a great photo of a tangle of fillarial worms:

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One thing that's tripped me up before is yeast. The worst was yeast forming pseudohyphae like this:
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It can be really difficult to separate out the actual parasites from the artifacts, especially if you don't have a good microscope or staining technique.

In tapeworms, I would expect to see a head and segments. I haven't seen any come out of me yet. In looking at poop, Ive learned that oftentimes I am wrong in my first impression in what I am seeing.

It would be nice to have someone really start looking into this and getting samples from us Lyme sufferers and getting good photos, since most doctors think parasites aren't a thing, or its just "Pseudoparasitism" ie accidental host.

I have done ~3 months of Byron White A-P drops, and I did 1 month of the Freedom, Cleanse, Restore from Dr Omar M. Amin. Once that is done, not sure what my next step should be.
 
Posted by Andromeda (Member # 45866) on :
 
An example is that this is a plant hair:

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To me it looks a lot like some kind of parasitic worm. If I was looking at this, Id focus in one the ends, to look for the head, or some type of internal structure.

Makes me wish I had a microscope at home to see if I can see anything. Id have to set up a room and have my own stains, kind of a hassle.

I haven't tried the salt thing that people here are talking about. Not sure what it really entails. My AP drops (byron) had wormwood I think in them. Wondering if I should continue along the herbal path, or do something more like DE or use salt?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Wow, those pictures sure could fool me. Thanks for posting. I am pulsing liposomal artemisinin and during the days I take that, I see a lot more stuff that resembles parasites.

So I am assuming it is probably helping me to get rid of some of the stuff that has been keeping me ill. I like to think so anyhow!

During the time I took Hanna Kroeger wormwood complex, my liver enzymes went up so I had to stop. It is hard to believe that herbs could do that, but they are pretty potent. I have heard that Byron White AP is pretty potent too!

I did Salt C for a while. If you choose to do that, make sure you get the e-book and follow correctly - going very gradually and slowly. Make sure you use only sea salt and drink lots of water. It works for many.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Andromeda,

I appreciate your due diligence in trying to show what may be something other than parasites that people may be seeing. I am sure that other debri such as a plant hair might appear under a microscope in some stool.

Speaking from personal experience, I didn't need a microscope to identify the parasites I was seeing as they were macroscopic in appearance. Some of them were EXACTLY in color and size as shown on the lymephotos site.

I did six months of antiparasitic herbs without having anything exit. When I added the salt/c, I had a mass exodus of parasites, flukes and eggs exit for months. Parasites can't tolerate salt because it puts them into osmotic shock(dehydrates them) and the let go.

Maybe you have to experience this first hand to remove any doubt you may have. Persistence is key in getting rid of parasites. I wish you luck in this endeavor. It is well worth the effort.

Gael
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
hi guys, little while since I dropped in. Hope you are all making progress with your treatments!

I'm on ivermectin, albendazole for protomyxzoa for about 3-4 months now, it has been kicking my butt but am making some really solid progress that has been giving me a bit of hope, but I try and not get too optimistic, let's see what happens with time [Wink]

The ivermectin seems to hit this bug really really hard in my case. Once the brutal herx dies down after a few days I feel closer to my normal self than I have in years. I'm also on montelukast which helps cut the herx down a bit, I've also noticed that drinking chamomile tea takes the edge off, at least for an hour or two. Funny.

It is a long hard road, I probably had a high infection burden or some nasty variant or some such thing hard to say as there is so little info on PR (I was bedridden for years with terrible chronic pain and fatigue before I got any treatment). I stick really close to the recommended diet, it has been helpful for me but probably entails some risks as well.

Who knows what the endgame is, I hope I can get to baseline or close to it (isn't that what we all hope for with our treatments!). One cool thing is that my pain has improved so much I've been able to finally cut out meds I was taking for pain management and anxiety due to dealing with this condition and pain.

Thank you all for sharing your experiences, it makes my path seem a little less scary, less lonely, and adds motivation and also hope [Smile]

[ 06-25-2015, 02:26 PM: Message edited by: sebreg ]
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
The plant hairs also puzzled me at first, they look just like nematodes or some kind of parasitic worm under the microscope.

On another subject, I have already posted this time lapse picture of my blood on the previous page, but i have finally figured out what it is:

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Its actually a fungal form transforming to a "true" hyphae form (as opposed to a "pseudo" hyphae form). So most likely its candida, traveling in the blood!

Most LLMD's seem to think candida is bound to the gut only, but this time lapse provides some solid proof that fungal forms can and do travel around in the body via the bloodstream.
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
Here i found a link that shows Candida hyphae forms:

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Source: http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v3/n12/box/nrg948_BX1.html

So thats exactly what i see in my blood.
So it wasnt a parasite after all!
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
S13 - what kind of microscope are you using and what type of camera? I think I saw your posts on the microscope thread, but not sure I saw which microscope.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Sebreg, so nice to hear you are doing better! PR has been a long road for me as well.

I am so happy to hear you knocked your pain down. Diet alone did that for me (99% vegan). Low fat helps too. I had to add a little more fat in though as the very low fat diet was affecting my hormones, sleep, adrenals, etc.

That said, I think the low fat diet knocked PR back enough for other co infections to pop through. I think they were hiding in all the biofilm PR makes.

Knocking parasites back has helped me with babs, cognitive issues, weight and more. I weigh 10 lbs more than I did a year ago, which is a bonus for me.

I'm glad chamomile helps. Green tea helps me too.

It's amazing how much parasites affect us. They are the hidden co infection that most people have no idea exist.

P.S. You're not alone. My doc says lots of people have proto. I think most people don't even know they have it.

[ 06-26-2015, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Catgirl ]
 
Posted by S13 (Member # 42830) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Haley:
S13 - what kind of microscope are you using and what type of camera? I think I saw your posts on the microscope thread, but not sure I saw which microscope.

Im using a rather old Olympus E Series binocular microscope, with darkfield condensator. It was old and cheap, but it works like a charm. Those old microscopes were built to last.

I sometimes use my digital compact camera, a simple Canon Ixus 80IS, that i just keep in front of the eyepiece. I also have a Euromex CMEX 5 MP USB Camera, that i use for making longer time lapse recordings. Like the one that shows candida growing in the blood:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlAYKAR9X2Q
(at the time i thought this probably was a contamination, now i know it probably wasnt!)
It shows a different kind of growth however, more like the pseudohyphea kind.
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
Wow, that is amazing, I may send you a private message with more questions S13
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
Hey Catgirl! so glad to hear the diet has helped you as well! do you have the PR and other infections under control now? Are you still chipping away at them or have you reached a baseline?

I really can't believe how tough and tenacious these things are. I could never have imagined of such weird chronic nebulous diseases before I came down with this thing.

It's been a grueling test, I feel like the treatment, which is tough due to herxing, slowly chips away at the disease burden but wow it is a tough long slow grind!!! Can be rather difficult at times, it is mentally and physically exhausting. But frankly, I believe these treatments are what I have to go through to give myself the chance to claw back every ounce of health and quality of life possible. But it is always great to be able to hear from and chat with others who are going thru similar experiences and can understand the magnitude of difficulty in dealing with these illnesses and their treatments.

How do you feel about coffee? I'm trying to cut back a bit. It's something that gives me the illusion of energy and focus but not sure if it is helpful for my overall condition. Especially with herxing, I feel it may exacerbate that. I know people are all over the place on coffee and it is probably very much based on each person's individual preferences, physiology, and specific pathologies.

And do you guys have any thoughts on Hyperbaric oxygen therapy for parasite and related illnesses? I'm trying to look into that a bit, but I'm not sure if it can be helpful for PR. I've read it can be helpful for lyme (which I'm pretty sure I don't have) but not the co-infections. I asked my dr, and he said it can't hurt, but I'd rather not be tossing money down the drain if possible.

One neat thing is I'm able to exercise with a real energy now, which I haven't been able to do for the past 10 years. Unfortunately I still get post exercise pain flare-up/malaise (but not to the degree I used to), especially if I exercise hard. It is rather frustrating, I'm grateful I can exercise, heck I'm grateful I can walk! but I hope I can get to the point where I don't pay any price for exercising. Hopefully over time I can knock this thing back far enough that I can exercise with relative impunity [Wink] I was an exercise junky before illness.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Sebreg, yes I have PR and lots of other co infections, but not under control. :( It's a battle for sure. You're right, it is mentally and physically exhausting, but I think we have to go through it to beat it.

Um, well I have coffee all the time via coffee enemas (lol!). It really helps with the herxes! I fought for so long NOT to do them. I just couldn't wrap my head around doing them. But then I caved and tried one and was hooked. It is so nice to feel instantly better. So worth it.

As far as drinking it, I think as long as you can sleep it's not a problem, but if you have the dreaded insomnia that typically comes with proto, then maybe some decaf? I dunno. We are all so different. Whatever works for you! :)

Phioph has a great thread on mild Hbot. I believe it kills tons of stuff. I am a little hesitant to try it though, as I don't want to feed nasty PR. I'm not sure that it does feed it, but I heard or read somewhere that oxygen feeds babs, and since PR has similar symptoms as babs, I just thought, oh well, not for now.

Phioph was really sick though, and it brought her back, but I'm not sure what she had.

I know what you mean about energy. It is such a gift for people who lost it. My energy gets stronger the more I treat parasites. I think they suck the nutrients right out of people. It seems like the more I kill the stronger I get.

Exercise really helps me with herxes, and overall mood, hormones, lyme, etc. I can't exercise like I used to (aerobic), but can do anaerobic stuff.
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
sebreg - go with your intuition when it comes to coffee. I feel much better when I don't drink it, but that is a tough one to cut out. It's my last "fun" thing left. I'm convinced I'll heal faster without it. It just takes a while to wean off of it.

I am doing hyperbaric oxygen. My "gut" feeling is that it kills a lot of pathogens while simultaneously building the immune system, so hopefully the bugs that don't die from the oxygen will be knocked down by the immune system.

My personal opinion on mHBOT and parasites (large ones - worms!) is that it will take more than oxygen or a strong immune system to knock them out. I'm talking about parasites in the blood not in the digestive tract. That's why I plan to take a day here and there to kill off parasites while continuing to do the oxygen.
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
Catgirl: Do you feel you are making good progress overall? I'm sure there are ups and downs in the process. For me ivermectin seems to be the key medicine. I was on zithro and malarone before, they worked, and I herxed quite a bit, but not sure if they were going to advance me fast or far enough. The ivermectin was basically a nuclear bomb for me in terms of herx, but it seems to really work against this thing! herx has become more manageable but still tough and probably indicates there is still a pathogen burden of some significance, even if I have cut burden way back from what it was originally. This thing is ridiculously tenacious and tough!

And thanks for the hbot info, I may have come across that thread where you mentioned hbot possibly feeding babs and I think that added to my hesitance. I need to look up the hbot feeding babs thing, possibly people are herxing? I felt reassured that my dr says hbot can't hurt, as he is a pretty sharp guy when it comes to the mechanics and biology of these illnesses, but still, you can't be too careful! Next time I see him I'll run thru some of my questions and concerns regarding hbot, I also want to hear if has seen any of his patients improve with that therapy.

Exercise is a true therapy. I love it, it helps make me feel human and closer to normal again haha! and definitely helps mentally.

Haley: Awesome that you are doing the hyperbaric, how long have you been doing it? Do you feel it is helpful? sometimes it can take a while to see results? And I agree, at least for PR, but probably for most of these stubborn chronic cases, my guess is multi-pronged approach is important, but strong rx/herbs are often key to really cut these things down.

On the coffee... it is the toughest thing to give up! I love it so much, but will go ahead and trial drinking decaf during the week and then 0 coffee on days I take my meds as those days I am shot anyhow and coffee ain't gonna help much. If there is a chance it makes the road a little smoother then I figure I should give it a shot.

Any thoughts on sauna therapy? I've started using my local gyms dry sauna, I'd love to do fir sauna but I'm going with what I have easy access to. Really not sure how effective it might be, but Dr seems to recommend sauna therapy. Proto doesn't like heat, as well as other pathogens like lyme and some of the confections. Hence sauna may be beneficial, or so the theory seems to go? at least sauna is an innocuous adjunct therapy that poses very little risks even if benefits are iffy. Plus it could be good for detox. Or relaxation and stress.

I got the gut test from Fry Labs, am waiting for full results but preliminary seems to indicate that bacteria is fine but proto may be in my gut. Kind of bums me out, I was hoping it was limited to one body system, vascular, but this thing has hit me so hard that my intuition kind of doubted it could only be limited to one body system. As far as I know I don't have lyme or any other confections, obviously can't rule out the possibilities, but a lot of my symptoms seem to line up perfectly with PR and that is what I have lab dx for.

I really hope they can keep finding out more and hopefully build up greater research on this basket of illnesses. Would be pretty helpful and we'd end up with better more targeted treatments.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I feel like I'm inching along slowly. I think it's the lyme, co infections, detox issues (genes), metals, and mold and lots of parasites. That's a lot, and for sure proto is protecting everyone (biofilm).

I take iver but it doesn't hit it as hard for me as alinia does. Alinia is tough. I feel like it just takes time and patience, so I agree, it is a long slow grind.

I've heard that sauna drives the meds deeper, but don't know for sure. I do look and feel better after I do FIR sauna. It's hard to do during summertime though. I hate heat when it's hot (lol)!

I'm with you, I hope they find out more on how to deal with this bug. I wish all the lyme docs and Dr. F would get together and share info. IMO, proto holds everything up.
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
Glad to hear there is progress for you even if it is slow. I've tried alinia seems effective for me as well, I may look into using it down the line. It's just surprising (I shouldn't still be surprised) at what a monumental slow, arduous undertaking it is to keep knocking this thing back. I guess I need to remember how far I've come and not how far I still have to go.

When I think about how much further to go it can be a little disheartening and overwhelming. I reached a point a year ago where I got sick with settling and needed to see if I could get more quality of life back with new treatments. Not sure I realized that would entail such a process, but I don't regret it and am grateful for progress and effective meds.

That's cool about the sauna, someone mentioned that on the Facebook pr group as well. Any little trick that can help with treatment is worth exploring!

And I agree, really wish there was more information being shared. I like Dr F but wish he was getting his info out there so people could test it out and confirm/deny in their own studies. I guess he is protecting IP or something, or maybe his idea is so novel that he really needs to make sure the research is unbelievably solid and well put together before publishing. I don't know how the research world works, especially when one is an independent researcher.

Thanks for your messages, so helpful to vent a bit and be able to share [Smile]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sebreg:
...It's just surprising (I shouldn't still be surprised) at what a monumental slow, arduous undertaking it is to keep knocking this thing back. I guess I need to remember how far I've come and not how far I still have to go.

When I think about how much further to go it can be a little disheartening and overwhelming.

Ditto (I've had the same experience)! Sebreg, you have such a wonderful way with words and describe it perfectly! It can be overwhelming at times. I try so very hard to stay positive and envision myself beating this bug.

Imagine people who don't know they have this parasite! It would take a lot for them to figure this out.

In the meantime, I am thankful that the parasite meds not only knock PR back, they also kill parasites. Are you seeing any strange little creatures exit from the parasite meds?

I do think it's important to keep trying new things, and figure it can't hurt. I think I will up my sauna game this summer now. Lyme hates heat too, so that may be why I feel better after I do it. It also helps to get toxins/mold out.
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
Aww thank you Catgirl! same deal here, maintain positivity, focus on the gains and making progress, and I suppose if one is still reacting to meds I take it as a good sign.

It's amazing though, after I dose with ivermectin, the herx is still strong and it does affect me mentally increasing anxiety and stress (and flares up lymph node pain and fatigue). Usually lasts 24-48 hrs and then the anxiety and stress are washed away. Like night and day.

Btw, I took my ivermectin dose before sauna yesterday, and wow, I think the sauna really did "push the meds deeper." Not sure it is smart, but if it increases med effectiveness, hmm, might keep experimenting with that. Did you say you have a fir sauna? do you have the soft one or a wood fir sauna?

You know, I've never seen any little creatures exit with the parasite meds. Which leads me to believe my main issue is probably protomyxzoa and possibly some other microscopic culprits in the lyme family or some other unknowns.

I really like my dr but I'm thinking of trying to see an llmd here in the Phoenix area to have a fresh set of eyes and look into lyme and coinfections, would like a strong double check with tests on all that.

If you have lyme, can the symptoms stay static? for me, my main symptoms stayed pretty much the same: fatigue, terrible chronic pain of lymph nodes behind ears, also used to have pain at back of head for a long time but that is gone now. Also poor circulation, cold feet and hands. Also anxiety. The symptoms stabilized and didn't get worse, even though they were terrible.

All these things are better now as I'm going thru treatment, the lymph node pain is the one I'm really trying to knock out.

One funny thing I've noticed with coffee in my case. Whenever I take effective meds I tend to get rashes on my left forearm, shoulder, and chest. Well, as I've cut back on my coffee consumption these rashes are disappearing. Just a weird observation. Before illness coffee never caused any issues for me. My guess is that the best thing for me is to lay off coffee, at least until I can make it close to baseline where my body reacts less to meds. Not sure I can stick with it though, coffee is so good. We'll see [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Coffee has many health benefits and nutrients, not to mention it is VERY high in antioxidants. It also opens the bile ducts. I sometimes add cinnamon and cloves to my coffee. Cinnamon is anti candida and cloves helps get rid of parasite eggs. Google coffee health benefits and decide for yourself. [Smile]

Gael
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
oh heck yeah coffee is an awesome drink with great benefits. It is also very chemically complex, and something might be going on with it that makes my herxing worse? hard to say, I'll just taper back for a while, def won't ever quit it that's for sure [Wink]
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Yes, a fir sauna (wood). I tried it today and felt dizzy afterwards, but then I upped my iver dosage yesterday so maybe that had something to do with it (not sure).

I think you are wise to check out lyme with an LLMD. Lyme usually comes with co infections. If that's the case, your anxiety could be bart. I've found the parasite meds can subside my co infection symptoms, but eventually they pop back up again.

You know about the lyme tests right? I tested negative until I was on abx for a few months, then tested positive (common). Lyme and company can easily avoid detection. Lyme is also very different for each of us. My husband barely has any issues at all.

I think lymph node pain for me was parasites (gone now, thankfully). I have taken lots of anti parasitic herbs and also salt c to knock parasites down. The thing is, they don't always show up in the commode. It has taken major work to get them out, and my doc even said that sometimes they don't let go easily for people with babs.

Have you tried cloves yet like Gael suggested? Now would be a good time as the full moon is coming up (now is when they reproduce). I think everyone has parasites and that lyme patients have more of them and just need to knock them back.

Wow, I am not sure about the rash connection to coffee. My LLMD told me that rashes are usually bart related though, but in your case maybe it's an allergy (not sure)?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Catgirl,

In case you missed it, we have two full moons this month. The first one is on Wed July 1st and the second one is called a Blue Moon on July 31st. Has anyone looked into medical astrology? I have investigated it some and discovered that parasites and infections were in my chart.

Also just read (sorry can't remember the source,(might come up if you google birth mos and diseases) that certain birth mos had different maladies. Of course mine indicated parasites and infections. UGH!!

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
OMG, 2 full moons? Argh! No travel for me in July (lol)! I can't remember if the blue moons were strong ones. Oh well, ordering lots of herbs.

Very cool about medical astrology. I will do a search on it and birth months. Thanks Gael!
 
Posted by LisaK (Member # 41384) on :
 
hi, I have never posted on this thread (I think) and I cannot read all this info, so I am going to ask a question and hope someone can help . if you know something about what I am asking- if you could PM me about it- I would appreciate that as I do have trouble sifting through all the other stuff on here. [Smile]

my best friend- her husband- has these sx:

extreme vomiting
sometimes diarrhea
loss of appetite
weight loss (of course)
constant pain in GI/abdomen area
confusion
lethargy
probably others, but can't think of right now.
he has lost his job for inability to function at any level.

A little background:
he has phobias of Drs, hospitals, faints at bloodwork, refuses invasive procedures.

he had a "lump" on his carotid artery a few years ago that he refused biopsy and self treated with herbals, etc. and the lump went away.

he and his wife (my friend) think these current sx are from the "tumor" they thought was cancer and has gone to his brain causing all this now.

he is also diabetic .

These sx came about a month ago and lasted about 3 weeks. then he was 100% fine. thought it was reaction to his new med for diabitese.

now, 2 weeks ago it started again. same way. eased up a little yesterday. but now is like wasting away and his teeth are losing enamel.

my friend told me her man said it feels like when it comes on , that his chest and abdomen are opening and his skin is being ripped off.

I had a similar feeling when I was tx for my tape worm. I told her this yesterday, and then I realized it was just a full moon!

so I am thinking it's a tape worm or something. she said he had stool samples were all negative.

Can they be negative and still have worms?

he just now [dizzy] FINALLY agreed to MRI of head/neck, and is getting an EGD next week.

no one has done any blood work.

this is about it I think. she thinks he is dying for sure. and I fear if these tests show nothing then he gets well again soon and it comes back next month with moon he may really die.

any advice / opinion/ facts???

I am trying to get info to tell them , but they are stubborn (she is a nurse [Smile] ) and I am hoping to find and give real good info so they can stop being so one tracked about this.

hopefully it isn't brain tumor, but if it isn't they will need a new road to follow.


I will check back here, but PM would be better if you could. thanks so much.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Poor guy. It sounds like there are several things going on with him right now. I'm sure he has parasites too, but doubt anyone can convince his mainstream medicine trained wife of that.

Unfortunately there are no hard pieces of evidence to give people when it comes to the world of parasites because the field has not been explored in depth by mainstream medicine yet.

That and the lab tests are bad for several reasons. So yes, the tests can be negative and the person still has parasites.

Mainstream medicine thinks that parasites are generally only in those who travel outside the US, so that gives you an idea how little they know.

There are several good Dr. K interviews regarding parasites (search) with really good info, but I doubt his wife would listen to or believe them.

For all of the above reasons I doubt you can do anything other than suggest some books, maybe (Hulda Clark on cancer--it's parasite related). Below is a good list of symptoms of parasites.

https://humaworm.com/symptoms.html

Good luck Lisa!
 
Posted by LisaK (Member # 41384) on :
 
thanks Catgirl.

yeah, he used to eat raw meat. when he found out he had that lump he changed his diet and no longer eats any pork or any raw meat. he and his wife both believe in parasites and all that, but even though they read a lot and research alternative methods, they still have a hard time believing anything ccould be tick disease or something else.

not sure why. I think they are just set on the tumor thing. which may be true. I guess they will know more soon. I just want more ammo in case all tests come back negative.
 
Posted by sebreg (Member # 44928) on :
 
hey Catgirl! yes I'm thinking retesting lyme would be a good idea. I've been reading about that phenomenon you mentioned of testing after some treatment of abx, would be curious if that could happen in my case. I'm seeing an llnd tomorrow, and have another appointment with an llmd in San Diego next month.

I'm trying to cover all corners, and the more I've thought about my case and how lyme works the more I believe it could be a part of the puzzle. I'm feeling better than I have in years so now I have the physical and mental energy to really explore this angle. For many years I was so tired with my health and resigned to my condition that I just didn't want to see any more doctors who would probably say hurtful things or just dismiss me out of hand as cfs or some such thing.

No matter what I'd like to get more info, I really want to stamp out as much as possible whatever chronic infections are the root cause of my issues. Sure I probably can't cure, but I think I can get a solid remission and with careful strategy can keep it at bay.

And I just started reading Cure Unknown by Pamela Weinstraub, absolutely fantastic.
 
Posted by Andromeda (Member # 45866) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glm1111:
Andromeda,

Speaking from personal experience, I didn't need a microscope to identify the parasites I was seeing as they were macroscopic in appearance. Some of them were EXACTLY in color and size as shown on the lymephotos site.
Gael

I do t think anyone in this thread is doubting that parasites exist or could be a major complication to getting better. But confirming parasites can be VERY difficult.

The lymephotos site, I'm not sure half of the photos on there are even parasites. It looks like a real effort to catalog what might be inside us, however, the pictures are amateur. Some of them look like they were just taken by a wide angle lens zoomed in. They are fuzzy and unclear. The photos don't show scale, magnification, if any. OR any confirmation that what we are seeing is a parasite ( stained structures, mouthparts, etc).

That's not to say that some of the photos aren't legit. And we simply don't know the role of parasites and Lyme, and microfillaria.

I've talked to multiple people that say they've seen worms exit after a salt/c treatment. I certainly don't doubt this, but without laboratory evidence or high quality photos, we lack confirmation and are relying on visual confirmation by untrained eyes, which can be unreliable.

I'm afraid medical doctors don't take this seriously to look into, and I wonder if doctors supporting it aren't interested in confirming it in case they misdiagnose you.

I've taken a lot of the herbal parasitic preparations, I haven't seen anything emerge, nor is my health improved. I believe my biggest issue right now is latent viral infections and babesia/bartonella, so I can't say for sure if treating parasites has helped me yet.

I'm certainly going to look into salt/c. I'm just so sick right now, I don't even know where to begin.
 
Posted by Andromeda (Member # 45866) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by S13:
The plant hairs also puzzled me at first, they look just like nematodes or some kind of parasitic worm under the microscope

Those are great photos! Are you currently treating for parasites? I'm too exhausted to go back and read.

I thought parasite tx would get me ahead, but no suck luck yet. I might be too impatient. My LLMD used the onion analogy, how I have so many layers to address I have to give things time, knock back one and something else comes out.

I just completed herbal parasite treatments. I've had Flagyl and diflucan. Not sure what my next step would be.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Andromeda,

With all due respect, I understand your skepticism because I have a sister who is a medical technologist and had the same view as you do when she looked at the lymephotos site.

If she saw a worm writhing on the sidewalk after being doused with salt, she would want the lab to confirm that it was in fact a worm. I know of folks who sent whole worms to a lab and it came back negative.

Labs are not the best at identifying parasites even when they are looked at by a so called "trained" eye. I grew up playing in the woods and I knew a worm when I saw it.

I understand your frustration and only wish you the best in getting rid of this horrible disease. Try not to get too impatient when going after parasites.

I took 6 mos of strong antiparasitic herbals, but it wasn't until I added the salt/c did they let go. I had a mass exodus for mos continuing the herbs and salt/c.

This combo seems to pack a punch when trying to get these parasites to let go. Persistence is key. Extra cloves also helps kill the eggs. I wish you only the best in your endeavor to get well.

Gael
 
Posted by Whoknew? (Member # 45675) on :
 
Hi all,
I'm a lurker here following buhner's protocols for Lyme and co-infections. It's early days so I can't comment on its effectiveness but I wanted to share a possibly helpful tidbit for those fighting parasites.

I passed an 8" ropeworm/mucoid plaque/alien being quite by accident the other day. I've been on the Buhner Lyme core for more than two months and I've never experienced this before taking a single serapeptase capsule. I took it one afternoon and my neuropathy flared. A couple days later I developed a headache and nausea after dinner (these are unusual for me). Then I met my little friend face to face...at a distance of course. The headache and nausea stuck around well into the night. Burbur didn't touch it but chlorella finally made me feel better.

So, maybe combining the Buhner core, plus CSA, artemisinin, ashwagandha, and red sage root with serapeptase will boot some of these guys out for y'all. I've not tried it again as it isn't a convenient time to be messing with bathroom issues but will try again in about a month and report back if results are replicated.

Hope that helps someone. [Smile]
 
Posted by patches10025 (Member # 20983) on :
 
Does anyone know where you can send a potential parasite that came out in stool , to get it tested to see what it is?

Thanks in advance...
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
I havent been here in awhile. Im.treating mold toxins. Still eat stuff parasites dont like. I havent seen many prasites in awhile. Tonight it seems a bunch of pin worms left ...vaginally....this is new for me. Anyone else? Gayle?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Ip

Pin worms come out at night rectally to lay their eggs and can also enter the vaginal area. Not a surprise that you had them exit from there.

You might want to do some research on killing pin worms and covering the rectum with maybe Vaseline at night so they can't exit to lay eggs.

Sorry you are having this experience, but as the saying goes, better out than in. [Smile]
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
Bringing this back up for gottadance to review.
 
Posted by rainboworiver (Member # 45562) on :
 
Can someone share Dr. Simon Yu's protocol? Above message says that it is in the PDR. Where is the PDR?
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
I am wondering if I might have just passed a liver fluke.
I poked around with my specimen and it was fairly easy to smash and smear/spread out.
What is the texture of a passed fluke?

I had eaten something that had small bits of tomato in it the night before.

Anyway - this evening I did a saline enema.
TMI - but anyway.....everything was brown - except one object that was definitely red.

It looked exactly like the "specimen" in the center of this link:

http://www.curezone.org/upload/Parasites/Liver_Flukes/liverFluke.jpg

It is probably a remnant of a piece of tomato - but how could that be?

FWIW I have been having weekly IV infusions of saline. Last month three IV Vitamin C infusions.

When tomatoes are passed - are they red in the toilet?
 
Posted by susank (Member # 22150) on :
 
Further - remembered that I eat cherries every night.

Question: how does one differentiate between colorful fruits/veggies and flukes/parasites in a toilet? When the foods eaten at least 24 hours before seen.

My specimen/blob of whatever was more the color of a tomato.

Partially digested fruits retain their color - somewhat?

Enemas can cause food to exit before being fully digested? Thereby retaining color?

Perhaps it is wishful thinking on my part that I passed a fluke. (strange). It would be my very first toilet prize!!!!
 
Posted by kimmie (Member # 25547) on :
 
I just wanted to share my experience. I started using castor oil as a body moisturizer. Since then, I have become very sick and passing long worms daily sorry....gross. I've never passd things like this before. Researching it further it shows castor oil to kill parasites and tapeworms through suffocation. It's working rather well....to the point I have to take a break. I was using the oil on my legs and going to bed for the night. This is the strongest treatment I have ever done and the die off is terrible. I'm having severe brain fog, nausea, inflammation and pain and fatigue which I didn't have prior to using the oil
 
Posted by kimmie (Member # 25547) on :
 
Also, castor oil due to its low molecular weight is one of the best absorbed oils from topical application. I guess I didn't think it would have this strong of a reaction. It's been tough to say the least
 
Posted by Neko (Member # 46592) on :
 
To clarify, where are you passing these worms using the oil? I assume not the skin.. But how would oil on the skin transfer to gut parasites???
 
Posted by kimmie (Member # 25547) on :
 
Yes passing them in the bathroom. The oil is readily absorbed and has a systemic effect when used topically. I have had to slow down to only once weekly now with the oil because the die off/ detox is incredibly hard. Still passing things daily I was using the oil as an all over moisturizer and leaving it on overnight
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone here try fenbendazole and know if it is effective? Also if so what kind of stuff you passed with it?

Thanks
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
FYI,

The skin is the largest organ and anything applied topically will be absorbed systemically.

Also Castor oil was used daily by parents and grandparents years ago who knew that parasites could be a problem and was used on a daily basis. The CDC had a report out some months ago stating that approx. 60 million Americans were infected with parasites.

Humans can be infected with parasites as easily as our animals can. We have gotten so far away from these facts that or ancestors knew as a fact.

I read a statement a while ago posted by a Naturopathic Doctor who believed that most people with chronic illneses are infected with parasites. I agree with him. Hulda Clark believes that parasites also cause cancer.

A nightmare for sure. As far as febendazole is concerned or any of the antiparasitic pharma drugs, they each target different parasites. You can look it up.

Gael
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
Interesting re the castor oil. I used to use it for scalp massage and didn't have any reaction to speak of, but castor oil packs on my abdomen resulted in lots of diarrhea.

I took a few months off of parasite tx and some familiar sx crept back in. I felt some relief after a treating for a couple rounds. I didn't see anything until later when I restarted cryptolepis. It felt very antiparasitic to my body this time as it caused me to expel long roundworms. Getting them out again, and thankfully not seeing them en masse like the last time.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
gz,

It's very important to stay with parasite tx since roundworms can lay 200,000 eggs a day. If even one egg is left, the cycle will start all over again. Cloves are reported to kill the eggs as well as salt. Glad you expelled more when you did cryptolepis.

Gael
 
Posted by kimmie (Member # 25547) on :
 
Parasitic Infections

Methylsulfonylmethane has an ameliorating or curing effect on a variety of parasitic systemic microbial infections. Efficacy can be determined by in vitro testing to determine growth inhibition or killing of the specific organism by exposure to methylsulfonylmethane at various concentrations in an otherwise acceptable growth-maintaining in vitro media for the organism. If inhibition or death of the organism occurs when exposed to methylsulfonylmethane at concentrations below about 100 ppm, the methylsulfonylmethane will exhibit in vivo activity against that organism. Examples of parasitic infections susceptible to treatment with methylsulfonylmethane are those commonly associated with infection of the intestinal or urinogenital tract, e.g., Nematodes, Trichomonas vaginalis, Giardia, Enterobius and other intestinal worms, systemic infections by Histoplasma capsulation, Coccidioides, Toxoplasm and other in vitro susceptible organisms.
 
Posted by kimmie (Member # 25547) on :
 
Just to clarify....this needs to be ORGANIC SULFUR only availably in crystal or powder form. If you have CBS mutations, I would closely monitor your urine sulphates via strips to make sure you are not too high (800+) and this is a wonderful detox so you may herx so go slow...start 1/2 tsp in water twice a day and increase as tolerated. Ill post the link where to purchase
 
Posted by kimmie (Member # 25547) on :
 
http://www.h2oairwateramericas.com/Departments/Supplements/Organic-Sulfur.aspx


This is the organic methylsulfonylmethane (MSM) not to be confused with over the counter MSM or MMS (chlorine dioxide) Over the counter MSM in pill form does not have the same action as organic MSM crystals

[ 11-05-2015, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: kimmie ]
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
up for imogencoco
 
Posted by lymeboy (Member # 24769) on :
 
I have a question about parasites. I've been treating with Salt-c for over a year. Most of this time was at a high dose (20 g salt/c). Past 5 months has been maintenece dose and a few weeks off here and there.

I have lost a lot of weight. around 30lbs, maybe more maybe less. I was taking parastroy along with the Salt-c for a long time and it helped but I didn't realize I could screw my body up by taking it continually.

Is it possible I need more than Salt-c? I'm very worried about the weight loss because I have been forcing myself to eat 3 times/day. I try to eat big meals. But I am down to very low body fat and my ribs are poking through.

Could I have tapeworms that are immune to the Salt-C? Do I need something like Ivermectin?
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
lymeboy,

Google parasites and weight loss. There is a lot of info on the cause and tx.

Gael
 
Posted by romi (Member # 47037) on :
 
could I get info on Dr. K, a website or something? New patient , diagnosed early this wk
 
Posted by romi (Member # 47037) on :
 
could I get info on Dr. K, a website or something? New patient , diagnosed early this wk
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Anyone got ideas? Vivid parasite around the neck, feels like it wraps to top of my head and in my neck, it's crazy. I'm thinking of taking albendazole and/or allinia again. Prazi seems to have minimal effect and ivermectin has some effect but not sure if it bothers them really.

Thanks
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Alinia seems to help me with head parasites more than the rest of those meds. You could also try salt/C with anti parasitic herbs (worms/bugs hate the combo).
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Thanks. I sometimes do lemon water and salt. I understand lemon water may have limited vitamin c though, Also cause of kidneys I'm hesitant to take too much salt but I guess I can take a small-medium amount.
 
Posted by Xelaetaks (Member # 44016) on :
 
Gonna say the alinia seemed pretty effective but it was quite strong. Months ago I managed a few days on it but it gave me a little of what seemed like chest discomfort so I stopped after one dose. Wish I could handle it better. I may do another round of albendazole soon. Haven't taken that in months,
 
Posted by Lymedin2010 (Member # 34322) on :
 
Hidden Epidemic: 
Tapeworms Living Inside People's Brains

http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jun/03-hidden-epidemic-tapeworms-in-the-brain

"Nash and other neurocysticercosis experts have been traveling through Latin America with CT scanners and blood tests to survey populations. In one study in Peru, researchers found 37 percent of people showed signs of having been infected at some point. "
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Wow, this is an incredible article! Thanks for sharing! I wonder if any of the routinely used anti-parasitical meds, herbals and Salt C would pass the blood brain barrier to reach parasites living in the brain like this.
 
Posted by WPinVA (Member # 33581) on :
 
Hello Parasite Warriors,

This is my first time posting on this thread and I have a couple of questions. I am thinking of trying a parasite cleanse.

I have treated heavily for babesia and I definitely think that helped with parasites. But parasite treatment - other than babs - has never been a focus.

So my first question is - would heavy treatment for babesia have taken care of the rest of the parasites? Or is different treatment needed apart from that? Is there anyone on here who has done heavy babesia tx and STILL has trouble with parasites?

Second question: assuming I move forward, I already take artemenisinin and I am thinking of adding cloves and black walnut hull. I'm looking at the Hanna Kroeger products - links below.

Does this sound like a good place to start? Advice welcome! Thank you!

http://www.hannasherbshop.com/shop/cloves-fresh-ground-encapsulated.html

http://www.hannasherbshop.com/shop/black-walnut-hull-extract-extra-strength-new-dimensionsr-2-oz.html
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
I treated parasites heavily for a while with salt/c, herbs, then pharma meds. Shortly after that I treated babs. I was on high dose mepron, cryptolepis, and artimisinin, all of which had noticeable antiparasitic effects. Also Bactrim and sida acuta.

I've been off all aforementioned babs tx except art. I still have some babs sx, but on all the prior babs tx I noticed parasite symptoms getting stronger.

I'm now back to a rotation of pharma parasite meds and getting visible evidence. I am also feeling a lot better too!

I think the babs treatment can hit a lot of parasites, and parasite tx probably has overlaps with hitting Lyme/co's.

It probably depends a lot on the types of bugs you have as to how well babs tx affected parasite load. I think Hanna Kroeger herbs is probably a good place to start. I haven't used but cloves and rascal in that brand, I had some results with Parastroy myself.

Treating parasites should be lifelong, including using traditional foods as maintenance after loads have been greatly decreased. Despite my babs tx, my parasite load starting coming back. I should have used more maintenance, now I'm starting over again, although not nearly as bad as in the very beginning.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
WP, I agree with gz (on everything).

Heavy duty babs treatment helps a little but there are lots of parasites clinging on. It can be hard work getting them out especially for people with babs (they don't want to let go). I have tried it all (salt/c, herbs, meds). They all help, but it is no easy job.

Artemisinin and cloves or black walnut or even anti parasitic herbs did next to nothing for me as far as seeing them in the toilet.

I would consider attacking them as if you were trying to open a vault. If one thing doesn't get them out try something else, or even combining stuff (that's what I do).

Salt/c and herbs combined truly does help too. Coffee enemas are a must IMO. If you want them out, incorporate coffee enemas.

P.S. I like Hanna Kroeger's products. I also use lots of different brands because they adapt.
 
Posted by WPinVA (Member # 33581) on :
 
Thanks to you both. It's been a while since I treated babs so strongly, and i do seem to feel better when I'm on art, so it makes sense to me that it either missed some stuff, or I could just use some maintenance.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dbpei:
I wonder if any of the routinely used anti-parasitical meds, herbals and Salt C would pass the blood brain barrier to reach parasites living in the brain like this.

Dbpei, I know praziquantel and alinia cross the bbb. Gael knows more about salt/c though (I'm not sure).
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl. This is good to know.
 
Posted by glm1111 (Member # 16556) on :
 
There is a brain/gut connection. When I take salt/c and or the herbs, I notice things starting to move in my head and from under my skin.

The salt/c, especially the salt will move the bugs from their hiding places because the salt pts them into osmotic shock. (dehydrates them from the inside and they can't stand it. Think of when you soak an infected finger in salt water, it draws out the infection.

I have read that when the fetus is developing there is one sack, and that sack divides into two parts. One goes to the brain and the other half is the gut. Maybe that explains why there are neurotransmitters in both the brain and gut.

I hope this helps some in explaining why I feel that the salt does cross the blood brain barrier. To add, when I was just ingesting antiparasitic herbs the infection started to push out under my scalp.

Gael
 
Posted by Cooper2016 (Member # 47405) on :
 
Hello all,

Been following the thread and decided to try it myself. Been

using Kroger herb complex with 1/4 tsp of SaltC combo for

about 2 weeks. I keep getting what appears to be things that

look like white balls..ish. Almost like yogurt covered raisins for

lack of a better way to describe.

Today I decided to get a closer look and I am not sure what they

are. However I did take some photo's

I am new so I am not sure its ok to post a link to another forum...

but I see no way to attach a photo.

http://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2300199#i
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Hi Cooper, welcome to Lymenet! Good for you that you are treating and critters are exiting!

For me the white stuff is from worms dissolving. Some worms release an enzyme that helps them to dissolve so they are not detected by their host (autolysis).

I suspect another worm did this (rope worm), not the white worm, but made it dissolve too (their only form of defense is to not be detected). Keep up the good work!
 
Posted by LymeNotLymes (Member # 45544) on :
 
I sure never thought I'd post here, but my naturopath saw a fluke? in my urine. He mentioned shistosomiasis?? I saw it, too. It was scary and large. He also saw spirochetes in my urine. This might explain my frequent urination even though my urinalysis is clean?? I can't help but be doubtful. I mean really? It looked like something out of a science fiction movie.
 
Posted by bluelyme (Member # 47170) on :
 
I have been on wormwood about a month and just started ivermectin. ..natropath said it looked like ascaris. ...is this effective ...has anyone tried mimosa pudica? Wormwood cand be toxic for long periods ya? Thanks
 
Posted by morgan11 (Member # 47341) on :
 
The three most effective herbs to get rid of parasites are WORMWOOD,CLOVES and BLACK WALNUT HULL. Wormwood alone is not enough. When I added salt/c after taking these herbs, I had a mass exodus of parasites,

It takes a long time to get rid of parasites and it's important to stay on antiparasitics. I have had no toxic side effects from taking this combo for a long time. Just LOTS of herxing.

Gael
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I agree with Gael, no problem on wormwood for me.

Bluelyme, yes ivermectin is a good parasite med. I've also tried mimosa pudica. It works well for some people (we are all different).
 
Posted by LymeNotLymes (Member # 45544) on :
 
Am I the only one with shistosomiasis on here? Interesting. Well for anyone else who comes along with the same problem and gets no response, myrrh extract is supposed to be effective. Hope this helps someone, some day.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
I've never heard of it. That's great that myrrh extract helps kill it!
 
Posted by LymeNotLymes (Member # 45544) on :
 
Yes, because I believe the alternative is Biltricide which can have some unpleasant side effects.
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
I think the toothpaste I use has myrrh in its ingredients! I am glad after hearing this!
 
Posted by bluelyme (Member # 47170) on :
 
Do you think parisites are infected with Bb as well. (Point of reinfection? ...also are they more vulnerable at full moon or just more noticable?
 
Posted by gz (Member # 43818) on :
 
There are some nematodes that have a symbiotic relationship and "farm" borrelia for their own benefit.

The farming analogy is like people that care for their livestock. We use livestock for food, clothing, etc; so we take excellent care of them and ensure our own livelihood in the process.

These parasites literally protect Bb in the body.

"Russian Doll Theory"... Bigger parasites are infected with smaller ones, all the way down to viruses and prions. Have to eliminate from big to small.

When dogs have heartworm they are also treated with doxy, because the heartworm parasite carries a bacteria called wolbachia. When the heartworm is treated the dog can be killed by the released wolbachia infection unless doxy is on board.

Link to reposted article on Nematode Spirochete Farmers:

http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/1/105466
 
Posted by Neko (Member # 46592) on :
 
Have to update my parasite journey. First parasite treated was babesia. I went on Mepron, Zithromax, cryptepsis and behind balance MC-BAB3.

I was still feeling sick last year so I did a round of biltricide. Had a negative comprehensive stool test prior, besides endolomax nana ( told it was fairly common and benign).

This past fall, my gut issues got worse. I had GERD and constipation, with large hard to pass, mucousy stools. Had another comprehensive stool test, positive for cryptosporidium and dividing yeast. Went on alinia for 3 days then dufkucsn for a month, followed by VSL#3 prescription strength.

I tried a lot of things, I went off birth control and my antidepressant...I was having estrogen dominance issues and histamine issues. My allergies evaporated but still gut problems.

Just saw a specialist who took a scrapping 14 inches inside my colon. Well, I have amoebic DYSENTARY and whipworm. It's amazing despite all my treatments and herbals ( I did 3 months of freedom restore cleanse) I have these things. Going on tindamax and ivermectin next.

No wonder I've been feeling terrible. WHIPWORM! About a year ago I saw what looked like a piece of a worm pass in my feces, now I know I wasn't imagining it!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Good for you Neko!

Parasites are hard to get out for many people, so that makes it easier for people to give up thinking they have none. The parasites just don't want to let go.
 
Posted by Jordana (Member # 45305) on :
 
I'm really thinking about trying this but I start to get confused about doing more than one thing at a time.

My protocol this month:

I'm going to do about five days of Bactrim since I was herxing way too hard on mino and pulsed tindamax. Then add 100 mino again plus pulsed flagyl 2x a week.

Buhner protocol minus cat's claw with corydceps instead; add Sida, Houttuynia, Baicalein,crypto, pinella, JK and nanomag 3x a day.

Supplements -- DHEA, methylguard, lipo-c, pregnenolone,salvia,ashwaghanda,colestipol

OKAY so the reason I listed all that is because I want to try a round of parastroy but I'm afraid it's too much stuff. Is adding this on right now too much too soon; will I just make myself sick?
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Neko, how did that specialist take the sample that showed you have amoebic dysentary and whipworm? Was it a sygmoidoscopy? Or a stool sample?

I have read that samples and even colonoscopies miss detecting parasites! So this is amazing your doctor has detected these things!

I am happy for you that perhaps you have some answers and now can make some good strides. [Smile] Thanks for sharing!
 
Posted by Neko (Member # 46592) on :
 
It was a sygmoidoscopy. My stool stool samples were negative. I had no way of explaining my gut issues. It was parasites or nerve damage.

I went to a gastroenterologist who told me I was constipated and to take fiber supplements. Thanks for nothing.

This was after traveling to Latin America 3x in the past ten years. How could No one connect the dots? It's possible I picked up worms working with farm animals, though I dewormed them twice a year. Should have given myself some!

It makes me shudder thinking of all the IBS complaints that might be parasites!

I'm taking the meds, then might consider some type of cleanse. I'm pretty gross out about the worms. The amoebas I get, even without drinking the water it's hard to avoid them in some countries. I'm just surprised the alinia be biltricide didn't help.
 
Posted by bluelyme (Member # 47170) on :
 
Biggest to smallest...parasites thwn bacteria then viruses...go for jordana...i may do some moee ivermectin. ..you may pause other herbals..or only treat ar full moon...idk
 
Posted by packypacky (Member # 41758) on :
 
There are two ways to kill: biggest to smallest, and smallest to biggest.

The latter works for starving the bigger bugs of their foods.

But I am also confused..
 
Posted by dbpei (Member # 33574) on :
 
Has anyone here taken Beyond Balance, MC-PZ? My LLMD prescribed this for me, describing as 'mild' parasite treatment. I started at 1 drop 2 x day and have been very slowly increasing by 1 drop.

I had a lot of abdominal cramping initially (I NEVER get this) and saw many strange things in the toilet. It also changed the consistency of my stools but now they are going back to well formed. Not sure what to make of this.

My head symptoms are a little better and I am noticing some subtle improvement in other areas as well. Of course, I am taking herbal tx for other things as well. So it is hard to know what is doing what. It would be good to hear from anyone else who has used this and if they had any success.

[ 06-26-2016, 05:53 AM: Message edited by: dbpei ]
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
Hello Everyone. I'm sure the wonderful subject of constipation has come up here. I don't have the energy to go through all 31 pages.

For anyone that has taken pharmaceutical anti-parasitics - did you get constipated? Actually, constipated would be an understatement.

I take Albenza once a week, I plan to go to once a month. The good news is that it has helped me tremendously, that bad news is that I can not poop. I have tried everything. There could be other reasons, I just wonder if it is the Albendozole. What did you take to help?

Neko - what med did you take? Are you feeling better?
 
Posted by mlg (Member # 35383) on :
 
Check with your doctor or other people but back before I knew what I had a doctor from Mexico gave me flagyl, amoxicillin, and prilosec. He said the prilosec would help my intestine open up and the flagyl and amoxicillin would absorb better as they are both anti-parasitic.

A different time in my life they gave me tetracycline, which helped me go. Also, Paragone, and/or grapefruit pectin.Check with a doctor, nurse or someone who has experience with this.

Also, check colonics.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Wow, it's been awhile since I've seen this thread.

Neko, parasites are everywhere, not just other countries. It can be hard for people (especially docs) to accept or even wrap their heads around the fact that there are parasite eggs in food, water, air, etc, even restaurant food.

So, IMO, most people don't even know they have them. Also, alinia and bilt barely made a dent for me, so I just keep treating.

Dbpei, I tried MC-PZ and didn't notice much with it, but that's wonderful it's doing something for you! For me, just trying something new can stir up the bugs sometimes.

Haley, I don't remember if they made me constipated. That said, how is your diet? Greens, veggies and lots of water will help (parasites hate greens). Have you tried coffee enemas yet?

They help release more worms as well as cleanse the body of toxins (when the worms die, they release toxins in your body).
 
Posted by Haley (Member # 22008) on :
 
Thanks Catgirl. I follow the Wahl's protocol which is about 6 cups of veggies a day.

I do enemas all the time, but have not done coffee yet. I'll give it a try.

Thanks MLG. I will keep that in mind.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
You're welcome Haley! I'm pretty sure coffee enemas will do it for you. After one I was hooked.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Just thought I'd give an update and maybe this will help newbies. [Smile]

I've been treating parasites for several years now (no, I have not been out of the country, parasites are everywhere). I have passed so many worms it would blow people away. I have way more energy now than I had before treating. Even more energy than I had last year.

I used to pull weeds out in the yard and then pass out with severe exhaustion. Not anymore. I have tons of energy now. I can put out 4 bags of mulch now with now problem, and then go shopping.

I sleep better than I have in years. I attribute that to getting rid of the parasites and their toxins/heavy metals (big). They hold heavy metals too, so kill them, then the metals get released, and I suspect not until.

My eye floaters are practically gone (I see nothing right now). I attribute that to parasite meds and sauna. Coffee enemas are a godsend. I pass a worm every time I do them.

So even though I have lyme and co infections, just hitting parasites has made a big difference for me. Even my brain works better. The sleep alone was worth it all.

Hang in there everyone, it's working! [Smile]
 
Posted by lookup (Member # 44574) on :
 
Spread 4 bags of mulch and then go shopping! That's great!!
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Thanks Lookup!

I had no idea how much parasites could drag me down. Even with all my co infections and lyme, those bugs were the biggest part of why I had no energy, not the lyme.

I still have lyme and now have energy. If only people knew how much of a role parasites play with lyme.
 
Posted by lookup (Member # 44574) on :
 
Catgirl- it is good to keep in mind! What was your

favorite way to detox metals?
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
The sauna. It's so easy, plus it gets my head/eyes for the floaters. My eyes are so white after I do it.
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
up
 
Posted by lpkayak (Member # 5230) on :
 
Thanks tutu. Now im embarrassed to ask. Hmmm. Maybe i ll pm gayle
 
Posted by hiker53 (Member # 6046) on :
 
lp--I had several small worms come out of my gums. UGH and yes, embarrassing.

Now who is ever going to want to pucker up and kiss my face!!??

But perhaps other have the same issue you have and could benefit.

Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Bumping for newbies. This is a very long thread but worth reading.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Has anyone found a way of getting rid of worms/parasites in the nasal passages? I am taking a variety of antiparasitics and have had 'bathroom issues' , expelling lots of small worms, flukes, eggs etc, but nothing seems to touch the nasal ones.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
Have you tried a neti pot? Somewhere in this thread someone did the salt/C protocol and got them out. Salt/C seems to be the one thing they just can't handle.
 
Posted by ukcarry (Member # 18147) on :
 
Hi Catgirl. I make a saline spray, adding either GSE or clove oil and use it to irrigate in much the same way as my old neti pot.....I find the reusable spray bottles easier to sterilise in a satisfactory way.

I do take quite a bit of Himalayan salt and some vit C, but not a high amount of the latter. I would be reluctant to go too far down the salt C route because I am on a betablocker for heart rhythm problems and tend to have quite high blood pressure despite the bb.
 
Posted by Catgirl (Member # 31149) on :
 
There is something about mixing the two (powdered form). It sounds like you're doing all you can for the moment. Maybe when your blood pressure comes down you can try it. Hopefully someone else posts here with a good idea. :)
 
Posted by chriscat (Member # 51024) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by VV:
sillia,

I generally take enzymes with every meal.
I've been taking them for more than 6 months.

This will digest food. Remember to take enzymes on empty stomach as well. Parasites excrete something that counteracts enzymes so that they won't be digested. I buy Nature's Plus Ultra-Zyme from the Vitamin Shoppe. It has probiotics as well.
 


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