Some here may have heard me mention Dark Field Live Blood Analysis. This is how my Lyme was diagnosed. Since many things were rolled into one bill I can’t say for sure how much it costs but I think about $150 Why pay thousands of dollars for diagnostic serum tests that are false negatives, false positives and so confusing when the blood shows it ALL! I think its just nuts to go and have all those serum tests done when dark field can give you a almost certain answer as to if you have lyme or not... especially when those serum tests have so many false positives or negatives.
and especially since insurance won’t pay for most of it anyway.
I have several articles on this I will put up in a while.
First before we look at bugs lets look at some fairly healthy blood under darkfield.
These people do not have lyme on this video with an electron dark field microscope looking at fairly normal blood. WOW! Most docs don’t have this fine a microscope. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu2_kZOg6ak
Normal blood with nice music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAKw0guo1hQ At 0:35 you see normal red blood cells that are not stuck together and two larger white blood cells
Now in the following video there are lots of problems noted. At 0:48 there is a large parasite, large compared to lyme anyway At 2:22 there are stacked RBC s, which may be part of the reason that lyme folks get short of breath AT 2:28 there is what may be candida or biofilm. I don’t know exactly how to read these things At 2:43 you see still shots of dried red blood. You cant see lyme in this but you can see vitamin c deficiency, heavy metals. In the center of this dried drop of blood it should look beefy…like raw hamburger but her’s looks quite bad. I know this one because they told me mine looked real good.
At 4:25 you can see spirochetes… they look like wiggling threads
At 4:49 you see stacked RBCS but in the center of the screen there is one smaller circle with spirochetes in it. This may be a cyst
At 5:04 you see what looks like a spirochete trying to get into a RBC
At 5:36 more fibrogen or biofilm There is a lot of trash in her blood. Many of the moving specks could be other parasites. Most people have some of this but it can take over if your immune system is broken down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En9YI5Pp76U
and here is a video with an electron dark field microscope looking at fairly normal blood. WOW! Most docs don’t have this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu2_kZOg6ak Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
The question is how to find a pracitioner, there are not many. Any tips Carmen?
Also....I thought there was much debate between microbiologists if they can actually identify what is in the blood. One may call something debris and another may call it a parasite. This is why Dr F in AZ is having some credibility problems with some of the docs.
I love the idea of this and have wanted to do it for awhile. Trouble is I can't find anyone to do it.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
Yes, there is some debate on some things seen. But the proof is in the pudding and in trial and error. If a doctor applies a therapy and a medicine and the blood changes under that influence then there is a learning there. If you take say, artimenisin and the cyst and spirochete count drops there is alearning there. If you apply a medicine to cure candida and all the suspected candida disappers from the blood or greatly reduces there is a learning there... if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck.
There have hundreds of culminative years of observation and research, from thousands of practitioners, in the empiracle science of the dark field.. with the leaders in Germany. It has moved into Spain and South America. The USA is way way behind.
One thing that is noted is that those on antibiotics will have no spirochetes seen but there will be cysts. Thats why they relapse after treatment. you have to stay on your antibiotic till all cysts are gone and a regular doctor with serum tests has absolutley no clue when that may be. Although with dark field you may not be sure you will have a safer assessment on when to stop treatment for it will at least be based on something instead of thin air.
We all know that feeling better does not mean cure.
So with alterntaive medicine and dark field microsopy you watch the blood, you assess the patient. You put them on someting more gentle than antibiotics and you watch for the cyst count to go down. You wait till none are seen and then you wait some more. ... unfortunatley no one as of yet knows when it is safe to stop. If only one cyst remains the whole disease may return in time..
Unless perhaps the whole system has been fortified and the immune system restored so one can fight a low level infection on their own.
Thats why so much is done to elimiate toxins and heavy metals, get the digestion right, increase oxygenation, retore immune functions, repair thyroid function, improve methylation. If your doctor is not doing that as you go along there will be a hard time getting better.
Using a dark field microscope is not something that a doctor will adverstise, especially if they be a medical doctor due to FDA and AMA regulations.
I live in Idaho and there has to be at least 10 in this state doing the work. Many in California and Arizona. Probably you can find it in any state that has licensed naturopaths which are about 20 now. Florida certainly has it.
There are a few in Salt Lake I think.
You just have to get on the phone and start calling them and asking them if they do it or if they know of someone who is. I know some states don't have legal naturoapths. In New York State medical doctors are permitted to practice alternative medicine as well as in Alaska, so some might be doing it there.
I've even run into lay people doing it in their garage so to speak. But I would not necessarily count on those to be as accurate as someone fully trained. Ask in the health departments of your local healthfood store. My most favorite doctor in the world I found that way.
I remember when I wanted to find a homeopath in Dallas Texas in 1990. I just called every phone number I could find that had anything to do with alternative medicine vitamins or anything related.
It took about a week and about 30 phone calls to be lead to a homeoapth that saved our family and my kids from a lifetime of drug misery. He was a master and had previously been Cheif Cardiologist of Texas Southwestern Medical Center so you never know what you will find.
I wanted to mention that there is also live blood analysis that is bright field, as opposed to dark field. Those tests can not reveal as much as dark field.
If I think of it I will ask my naturopath if he has any leads for finding a practitioner when I go on the 27th.
Posted by lymenotlite (Member # 33166) on :
I live in Spokane. Do you know of a dark field practitioner in Coeur d'Alene or Post Falls?
Thanks
Posted by lymenotlite (Member # 33166) on :
Can a dark microscope detect the coinfections?
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
sometimes dark field can see babesia but it is difficult. CMV can be seen and other larger parasites in the blood. dont know about Bart. candida can be seen and maybe mycoplasma in some situations
my doc is not concerned in diagnosing or seeing all of them. He says the correct lyme treatment will get rid of all of it but his approach is more of a whole body approach, amping up the immune system as well as antimicrobials, something antibiotics alone will never do and why so many drug users dont get well.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
lymenotlite - I would call all these places found on this page. Tell them you are looking for dark field microscopic work and that you have lyme. (don't accept light field analysis) If they say they dont have that service ask them if their doctor knows of anyone who does the work. Just because someone can see lyme in the dark field does not mean that they or the doctor they are associated with will know how to treat it.
I hope you get some leads. Im in a different part of the state so Im not familiar up in that corner. But they are very alternative up there... much more than where I am. I bet you find someone.
The key to cure for the disease is all in the correct diagnosis.
We need to explore the possibility of dark field live blood analysis (DFLBA) to obtain a comprehensive view of our situation and to understand what we are up against in our health challenges.
This diagnostic tool gives us the opportunity to see first hand those things that we are told do not exist by conventional medicine.
Most often when you go to an alternative practitioner they will be talking to you about microbes and parasites. You may walk out the door thinking this guy is nuts! My doctor never talks about such things and everyone knows that people in the USA don’t get parasites unless they travel abroad.
DFLBA tells th truth and we all know that a picture says a thousand words which is what I really need here. Down to the nitty grit. Most people who have chronic health have parasites or other microbes affecting their health.
The Dark Field Live Blood Analysis attests to the truth. These parasites may not be large ones, they may be microscopic. They may be invading your white blood cells. They may be wrapping around your red blood cells. They may be doing untold damage that has not been diagnosed.
These parasites are not strep or staph nor the bacteria your doctor generally uses antibiotics for. They are stealth, extremely small and invading areas of you blood and body that conventional medicine has no diagnostic tool for.
They are the microbes that are behind most of our new diseases like fibromyalgia, Crohn’s, chronic fatigue, gulf war syndrome, and even cancer. Yes, and I mean cancer.
This has been known for a long time in the naturopathic realm. Dr Royal Rife was one of the first to tell us that cancer is caused by a virus. He had one of the most powerful microscopes in the world at the time and even to date it is far superior to what any routine medical lab possesses.
When Rife saw the microbes he developed a way to kill them. For this he was initially praised but eventually he was run out of the country and died a broken man at the hands of the AMA and their brutal witch hunt…
Now we all know there are no such things as witches and what was done to him was akin to the Salem witch trials and burnings. They burned his lab to the ground.
Now, though the reading I have done it is clear that many of the digestive issues that people suffer from are caused by microbes that cannot be seen, do not respond well to antibiotics and they eventually, if left unchecked will kill us
Many people die each year from Crohn’s disease, stomach cancer, ulcers, esophageal cancer etc. All these diseases are caused by microbes and one of the leading villains in this act is the fungus and obscure microbes that conventional medicine can not and refuses to see.
This fungus can often be visualized with the DFBLA microscope circulating in the blood. These microscopes are connected to a video so you can watch on a TV like screen. You see all your blood cells in action, moving about. You can see systemic Candida, a fungus that causes many cancers according to Dr Tullio Simoncini of Italy. A visit to his site will show you his treatment protocols for cancer focused on killing fungus. He has cured a number of incurable cancer cases buy attacking the fungus, not cancer.
In gut disease the culprit is often Candida albicans. Candida can overtake the walls of the intestine causing a pathogenic state to the whole body. It creates what is called leaky gut syndrome as large particles of food and microbes pass though the gut wall into the blood.
Candida invades the blood stream and moves to other body locations like the stomach, the esophagus, the prostate, even the toenails. When the Candida is challenged it causes a massive change in the terrain of the tissues and cancer may ensue.
These fungus cells as well as other debis from the gut can be visualized with the dark field microscope in the blood. Cancer cells can also be visualized.
The main cause of Candida over growth and leaky gut syndrome is the use of antibiotics and steroids. Antibiotics cause a mutation in the Candida making it tenacious and difficult to control. It actually changes is form and capacities. When it latches on to the wall of the gut it damages the tissues. Steroids create an environment that represses the immune system so that Candida can further go out of check. The two together can be a deadly combination prepping one for a death to come years down the road from cancer.
The Dark Field microscope can see many pathogens in the blood and other living tissues. In the related links below I am presenting a video from the Ergonom company who makes these microscopes in Germany. Although it is an advertisement for the microscope they present these hidden microbes I am telling you about so you can see firsthand for yourself.
They present what Dr Royal Rife likely viewed and named the BX virus, that causes cancer.
Now you may be asking, why have I not heard of this before? Why does my doctor not use this?
The FDA has not approved the dark field microscope for diagnosis in medical care. It is not taught in medical school. Therefore no insurance will cover this form of diagnostics and if a medical doctor bases his diagnosis upon the dark field microscope findings he can be charged with malpractice. This tool is widely used in Germany and other European countries and by naturopaths, chiropractors and alternative thinking medical doctors in the USA in states that permit medical doctors to use alternative means.
This form of diagnostics can reveal the health of the blood cells and other conditions in the body. It can determine nutritional deficiencies by the appearance of blood tissues. It can monitor the changes of living cells when exposed to different foods, medicines pathogens and toxins.
I hope you are getting a glimpse of how important this form of diagnostics is and how it may be a key to finding your way to your cure.
On page 6 of this pdf there is a very nice photo of lyme under the electronic dark field microscope. Professor Enderlein developed the dark field micrscope in Germany. The Germans have taken the work to new heights. http://www.pferdemedizin.com/peter/enderlein_engl.pdf Posted by CD57 (Member # 11749) on :
Is there some sort of association that people doing this would likely belong to, or is it too under the radar for that? I would understand that they wouldn't want to be advertising that they do it...
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
I have looked for an association but have not found one. My doc says he had to wait until he graduated to learn the process. They dont teach it in naturopathic school but he says many NDs now take the training.
Posted by Shannsmom (Member # 42416) on :
This analysis sounds very interesting. My daughter is so sick lately and we are trying to decide our next step. Who to see, what to do.
I did a quick search for Darkfield Live Blood Analysis in our city and found there is a clinic that does this. They list some practitioners who will refer you and help to develop a health plan for you with the results.
It would seem to me, you would need to find someone who really knows what to do with these results. How do you know if they are experienced enough to be able to help you?
Lyme is such a complicated condition, and my daughter really wants to find someone who knows how to deal with all of her symptoms.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
Exactly, Shannsmom. Not all clinics who do dark field can manage lyme. You will have to ask.
But at my clinic they use no antibiotics and manage lyme quite well. In fact the woman who does the dark field microscopic work, she learned it because of her daughter.
Her daughter was literally on deaths bed. She had been all through the medical system and didn't know what to do. She decided they had nothing left to loose to try natural as everything else failed.. and they didn't even know she had Lyme. Dr. W. had to carry the girl into his office. She was totally out of it. They worked on her night and day with many support IVs and antimicrobials. She is well today and now out of high school leading a normal life.
It was the dark field where they saw the lyme. Mom was so impressed she went on to study it and she now does the work in the same clinic.
Even if that clinic can't manage lyme you can keep visual tabs on things with their analysis.
My analysis showed candida too and the lyme cysts mixed up in candida biofilm. No regular doc would have found that...so Im addressing candida too now... mostly with Rife and of course Colloidal Silver works on Candida.
If they are not familar with reading Lyme in the dark field just show them the videos I posted here on the first post on this thread. They should be able to take it from there. Tomorrow I'll post the Bradford and Allen research that will help anyone doing dark field.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
I came across this video this morning. I really love pycogenols and have used them successfully for allergies in the past, particularly for mountain cedar allergy. I knew that they helped circulation problems and many tests have been done in airline pilots.
Great dark fiedl microscopy clip here showing you the power of this supplement combined with enzymes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOUBwj93u0c Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
The Townsend Letter is the Naturopaths journal that is the counter point to the Journal of American Medicine, with the huge excpetion in that there is no pharmaceutical interest either by the editors or advertisors.
This article outlines the Bradform Allen Research on lyme done with the dark field microscope.
You DONT need a Dark Field to view the spirochetes. I see them in my blood & on a regular light field/compound microscope.
Here is a quick video of the type of things I saw when I finally got this crappy video cam. This in no way represents some of the crazy numbers of them I saw, but I did not have a good camera at that time.
Here is another video of white blood cells moving around & carrying these specks within them. I was always curious as to what they were, until one day I observed them afterwards & was shocked. It was clear that they were spirochete cyst forms.
They eventually bust out of the dying white cell & the elongate to those spirochetes (long hair like string):
In this video you can see MANY of them bursting out of the white blood cell. They are very hard to see & hair like. I took this video with a hand held camera dangling over the eye piece. You have to look really close to see them. They are partially in the cell & are pretty darn long.
Great home shots Lymedin2010! Good to show that you dont even need a lab or a doctor. One can self diagnose. What kind of scope did you use and at what power? You must be a biology major?
Did you stain your samples? Dark field requires no staining. Dr Alan MacDonald uses light field but he has to stain, which is time consuming and different microbes require different stains..so I think, in part, thats why dark field is becoming popular. Also dark field is available in electon levels of viewing although I haven't heard of a doc in the US that is doing it.. but I bet there is somewhere. I dont know what the ergonon microscope costs but here reallly needs to be more in this country because if you really want to see the truth that is the scope to do it with. Lyme is only the tip of the iceburg, but with a steep and slippery slope.
This is a video from Germany (film is in english) on the capabilities of the Ergonon Dark Field Microscope that can view live blood. Its a little slow paced viewing but oh so revealing. Its telling us that there is a whole world of microbes that we can't see in conventinal labs that could be making us sick. We just can't see them
I am not a biology major. I am just curious & pissed that general medicine cannot pickup on what is known to be a passed via the circulatory system.
If it can so easily be passed on by tick bites from the animals, then you must logically know that it is present in LARGE quantities within the blood & circulation.
I incorporate a used Zeiss Microscope "Standard 14" Laboratory Binocular Microscope: 47 09 14-9902/45 (Actual Microscope model). Mine is a Phase Contrast Microscope & I was lucky to buy for $100 on Ebay.
I see many of the blood organisms in this last video on my own blood. Some of them look like a disc or foot with a flagella.
Other ones I see that are blebs & cysts of borrelia. It is a shame that many/most doctors just don't give a crap about this.
It does not take a genius to see this and speculate that these agents are the cause of ongoing infection. It only takes someone who cares enough to look
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
I paid $600 to get the photographic images of my blood from F labs. All I know is that I have stippling on my red blood cells and something with motility moving between them.
The doctor that ordered the test would not talk to F so i went to see an NP. She called him and said they had an interesting discussion but she does not know what is in my blood or even what I should test for.
I am so sick of trying to get information and treating myself. I found out babesia or lead can make stippling on your cells. PR usually attaches to the outside of the cell and is a large organisma.
I have no idea what any of this is. Maybe BLO and PR. I am going to look at the your links and maybe I will learn something.
Posted by Carmen (Member # 42391) on :
I think lots of different things can cause a corrigated border on the RBCs. It is a sign of distress on the cell wall. Lyme is actually known to penetrate the RBC or even the WBC. Generally a WBC will digest a micro-organism but Lyme will use the cell a breeding lab at times.
Its very important to take sufficient vitamin c. Lack of vitamin c and its stress shows up in dried blood samples by dark field. Everyone with lyme has it.. as vitamin c is one of the bodies first line of defence against all infection. It gets burned up fast and its almost impossible to get enough from food. I am going to post a thread next week on how to maximize vitamin c intake without doing IV vitamin c in a very cost effective away.
It is really important when getting dark field done to have someone who can intrepret the test well and is familair with lyme. It may not necessarily need to be the person doing the exam but a doctor who can look at the video or photo shots. I think a video is better than photo shots. Certainly the person doing the exam needs to be familar with what it looks like though.
In my case the person doing the test said she thought she saw a sprirochete but then it moved under a bunch of other stuff in the blood sample and she couldn't find it again. If she had been doing a video we would have had it on film. She only had the capacity to do photo shots. But we got lots of the cysts and candida in the photos.
Depending on how the spirochete is cycling and what drugs you have been on there may not be a lot of spirochetes to see swimming in the blood. Its pretty easy to kill them off when they are in that state. Its getting them during all their life cycles and where they hide that is the issue. This is why treatment has to be long term. And we all know that long term with antibiotics can be dangerous on multiple levels.
Long term with colloidal silver or MMS is not, IMHO.
nefferdun, somewhere along the line I saw photos of babesia inside of RBCs.
Doctors are afraid of dark field microscopy because it is not FDA and AMA approved. Some doctors have had their offices confiscated in the past for using it. The FDA does not approve it for diagnositic uses... but its just fine for nanoscience research...go figure.
I think that it is not approved because it shows the truth! and we can't have that, now can we. Every bit of truth we find out there makes the pharmaceutical industry look bad, very bad. And the pharmaceutial companies control the doctors and the medical schools, the FDA and the AMA though financial ties, payoffs, bribes, blackmail and threats of discrediting researchers in multiple ways. Just look to history to know the truth of this.
In my test I was informed that my dark field exam was for research only. not for diagnostics. I dont know how the FDA feels about light field or bright field live blood analysis but it seems to me that the method does not show as much as could be there.
As I have said, my doc is not so interested in diagnosing all the different infections that are potentially there. He feels that his treatment will get to it all eventually. I will discuss this more with him when I see him this coming week.
I am using rife and its pretty easy just to run the frequencies for babesia, bartonella and the other stuff. Ive not had a diagnosis for these nor do I plan to seek one unless I can get it done by electro dermal screening.
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Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
I had dark field microscopy done a number of years ago by an ND who I think no longer practices. Her methods of treating were off the wall, in my opinion.
I have an hour video that shows babesia and mycoplasma. Lyme was harder to spot. I was deathly ill at the time.
I'd love to get another one done as an update. I am doing better, but I would like to know what still lingers and causes my fatigue.
If anyone knows who does this in the Chicagoland area, please PM me.
I might even consider buying a microscope like Lymein2010. I think it is very useful.
Posted by CherylSue (Member # 13077) on :
Lymein2010, your first few videos indicate that you have bartonella. That's what those dots are that attached to the outside of your red blood cells.
Posted by Uggabug (Member # 51554) on :
These wiggly spirochete-looking creatures under a microscope may not be Lyme. This study may be of interest. I started doing research after someone with a microscope hinted my "worms" coming out of red blood cells were Lyme. They aren't cork-screw type, but I saw these all over the internet, some claiming to be Lyme. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-10479-8#Fig2 Posted by WakeUp (Member # 9977) on :
In the 1930s, the humble microscope was the "Gold Standard" for diagnosis of the spirochete known as Syphilis.
Of course now that big pharma can make gobs of money off of expensive and inaccurate blood tests---- the simple, cheap, and effective Gold standard microscope is now discouraged.
The truly evil and greed driven people who direct big pharma and the AMA also want Lyme diagnoses to be controlled by inaccurate blood tests--- that extract money but do not diagnose properly. They want the Lyme epidemic hidden, minimized, and undercounted--- for unknown reasons.
We are ALL being hoodwinked by psychopaths.
Everything is about the money--- and also about the mass-weakening of average American citizens through many diverse types of biologicals. A "weak population" does not fight back, and can easily be "harvested" for gobs of money each month by the corrupt medical industrial complex.
Just think about it: A Weak and chronically sick human population is a VERY GOOD business model for the corrupt elite!!!! This business model is the exact opposite of the farming business model-- where animals are kept healthy just before their death by slaughter.
Ironic, eh??
The list of so called debilitating lab-weaponized "emerging diseases" afflicting Americans is now a long one: Chronic fatigue syndrome, Gulf war syndrome, West Nile virus, Morgellons, Lyme disease, Borrelia Miyamotoi, Bartonella, Babesia, Zika, Autism spectrum disorder, Mycoplasma, AIDS, etc. etc.
The good thing is that spirochetes, and many other organisms are plenty big enough to see and photograph under a microscope-- both lightfield lenses, and better yet, darkfield lenses--- and spirochetes can be readily identified as such, although the specific strain can only be accurately identified through PCR.
So--- a microscopic review of live blood is a great idea and should be encouraged by ALL LYME PATIENTS ! We will have to do this ourselves....
A person just needs a microscope with a really fine lens and excellent light source. Unfortunately, my Amscope's lens is not quite good enough to see spirochetes, though I believe I have captured several live filaria in a drop of my morning blood.
Just buy a microscope with an EXCELLENT SET OF LENSES (lymed's recommendation is good), also purchase an additional darkfield lens if you can, and then ask any person with a BA in biology to prepare you some slides with a pinprick of you blood.. Use your iphone to take pictures of the images-- you will be amazed at what you see.. !!
The KEY to viewing spirochetes is the quality of the microscope lenses and the light source in the microscope. Zeiss lenses are among the best.