Anyone on here never had an experience with anxiety/panic attacks? and not because they were on benzos, they just never naturally had anxiety for whatever reason?
Posted by MissVictoria (Member # 45232) on :
I went through anxiety, OCD, and panic attacks when I was really sick. I think they were caused by the combination of the tick-bourne diseases as well as the situation I was in around the illness - no one believed me, the doctors weren't helping me, etc
Posted by map1131 (Member # 2022) on :
My panic attacks for years only happened in my kitchen. I thought it was a sign that I needed to forget the dinner cooking.
But really it was my brain trying to process the info needed in order to have more than one thing going on at a time.
I still get anxious with trying to process things but it's so much better now that I'm finally taking the correct thyroid meds. Thyroid/adrenals go hand in hand.
Lyme & co is known to attack the thyroid.
Pam
Posted by peazy70 (Member # 50322) on :
Short answer: Yes. I feel this way on airplanes or randomly...especially if I’m in a negative head space about Lyme.
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Do you mean anxiety that feels out of control or just anxiety? I think we all have anxieties.
I don't have anxiety that's out of control. I just have Lyme, not other co-infections, so who knows if that makes it easier for me. I generally try to figure out the situation and what I need to do, if I can do something.
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
- I think the term "anxiety" is not adequate for the wide range of body reactions to various kinds of stress for those who deal with lyme / TBD.
"r naturally had anxiety . . . " - I do not think any kind or degree of anxiety is natural. There is always an explanation.
And, while it can be a normal response to a situation, I found that there is always a reason that is not at all about worrying or over-thinking (for myself) . . . It's science, a physiological chain of events starting with infection that might not be treated as effectively as it should be.
For so many, when the infections are properly managed, treated, under control and then diminished the kind of anxiety that lyme can bring - leaves. But there are variables, too.
I don't even call it anxiety because that term is as inadequate as the term "fatigue" is to describe the level of sheer exhaustion, every cell of the body experiences with lyme / TBD (tick-borne disease).
The kinds of anxiety connected with lyme have so many causes / triggers . . . and variations.
As Pam points out, adrenal and thyroid issues are very important to consider for when those are out of whack, the kinds of anxiety that produces that "poisoned all through the body" feeling . . .
sorry, I cannot finish thoughts. still, hope some of this helps even if I can't be very verbal.
With lyme, the HPA and other body / brain operatiing systems can go haywire in so many ways. And the toxicity of lyme . . . and toxicity of cortisol when high . . .
and the inner / middle EAR system also can trigger anxiety
- in the kitchen it happens more, as Pam discovered . . . Sure did / does for me. So much turning of the head and balance has to readjust each time eyes move.
Also so many decisions when in the kitchen - even if seemingly minor. Thinking is much harder if there is any inner ear stuff to contend with.
Ototoxic drugs, excitotoxic food additives also can trigger anxiety (as can other drugs, especially mood or sleep Rx).
I have so much more to add but just can't find the words. I do hope you find some relief soon.
Topic: TINNITUS: Ringing Between The Ears; Vestibular, Balance, Hearing with compiled links - including HYPERACUSIS . . . and anxiety that can be triggered by any of this.
And what helps. -
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
I'm dealing with ths right now. New tick bite, late treatment due to my body not tolerating antibiotics. Now I've found a probiotic that is really good, so taking more antibiotics, but its a little late, and the infections are doing a number with my nervous system. But, I know I will get better.
When I was sick before with lyme before, didn't have panic attacks, but this time I do. Last time, it was more depression and brain fog. This time anxiety and brain fog. Fatigue, of course.
And like Keebler and Map mentiooned, just turning the eyes, multitasking can trigger it. Bright lights. Also have feelings of disorirentaion.
Buhner's herbs are helping, along with zithromax, but boy, I didn't expect to be experiencing this in my early old age.
Krstyn, do you have panic attacks?
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
I have anxiety at times, usually for good reason.
But no panic attacks so far. Whew!
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
Rivendell, don't know whether you've tried this yet - I drink mangosteen juice and it stops all Lyme eye symptoms for me, including the ones you mentioned. I drink around an ounce a day.
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Robin, thanks for letting me know this. I read somewhere that mangosteen helps to kill lyme. I will put it on my list to order. If it could help the light sensitivity, that would be great. One ounce per day. Thanks
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Lymetoo, this starting happening for me after new tick bite. I'm getting better, though. It is more likely to happen on a bad day. Learning not to fear it. That is half the battle and just getting my nervous system healed from all the inflammation.
I couldn't start treatment right away, and that allowed the infection to spread. Couldn't find the right probiotic to help me tolerate antibiotics.
At time of tick bite, I was in the process of trying to heal my gut from the last experience with lyme, and still not totally well at that point. But I was well enough to just rely on herbs. If I had been on antibiotics, perhaps the infection wouldn't have spread.
Posted by nefferdun (Member # 20157) on :
Anxiety is a classic symptom for bartonella. I can experience it when I go to bed at night, for no reason.
Mangosteen is expensive and I for me, it was a waste of money.
Liposomal EDTA was the most helpful supplement I used. It will help break down biofilm so whatever ABX you are taking will be more effective.
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Thanks Nefferdum. I have been diagnosed with Bart in the past. Doesn't EDTA break up heavy metals? I guess the biofilm use the metals.
I am getting into Buhner's approach more, along with my antibiotics. My gut is not in the best shape, and not sure how long I will be able to tolerate the antibiotics.
But I have found a great probiotic, so maybe I'll make it.
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
Best of luck, Rivendell!!
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
Thanks Lymetoo and everyone.
Posted by DaveNJ (Member # 17362) on :
In my early days of this illness i decided to not call it anxiety but rather agitation. I've suffered with anxiety in my life and while the symptoms are the the cause is not. Calling it anxiety infers that there's a mental health issue.
Once you tell a doctor anxiety then the possibility of the root cause being something besides mental is ruled out by most of our doctors looking to call a zebra a zebra.
Just my two cents.
Dave
Posted by MissVictoria (Member # 45232) on :
quote:Originally posted by DaveNJ: In my early days of this illness i decided to not call it anxiety but rather agitation. I've suffered with anxiety in my life and while the symptoms are the the cause is not. Calling it anxiety infers that there's a mental health issue.
Once you tell a doctor anxiety then the possibility of the root cause being something besides mental is ruled out by most of our doctors looking to call a zebra a zebra.
Just my two cents.
Dave
You shouldn't have this problem if you go to a LLMD. They understand that anxiety is a symptom for a lot of people. PM me if you need a doctor recommendation - I'm also in NJ and I go to a great Lyme Specialist who I'm happy to recommend
Posted by DaveNJ (Member # 17362) on :
Missvictoria,
Thanks. My post was referring to my early days of the illness. That was 13 years ago. I don't deal with idiotic doctors anymore.
Dave
Posted by daystar1952 (Member # 3255) on :
That was my first and worst symptom. Had to be on anxiety meds for almost a year.
After getting better with that symptom ...when it came back a little once in a while I was able to correlate it with stomach symptoms...if I had trouble digesting or felt gas.
When the stomach distress would move past a certain point the panic attack would suddenly disappear. Not sure if it is the vagus nerve but there are nerves there that go to the brain that can transmit mental sensations
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