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Posted by MissVictoria (Member # 45232) on :
 
What are the strongest yeast infection medicines and supplements?

I'm taking Nystatin, Diflucan, Terazol, Grapefruit Seed Extract, and probiotics, and I STILL have a yeast infection!! It's so uncomfortable [Frown]
 
Posted by DaveNJ (Member # 17362) on :
 
MissVictoria,

how about caprylic acid or oregano oil? i'm in the midst of a battle with Candida as well. I'm in Week 11 of what is probably my 4th attempt to push through this though this go round has been more focused and i feel like i'm making progress.

how is your diet?

Dave
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
Yikes. I would try to go natural. You may have better results.

Be sure to tackle your dietary concerns ASAP.

MAYBE you could add some sauerkraut? Only small amounts.

Diflucan can really make a mess by causing your body to have trouble processing oxalates. Nystatin can also cause similar troubles.
 
Posted by Robin123 (Member # 9197) on :
 
How about going on a nonyeast diet for awhile? You can look that up and prepare for it.

I did a step-down by eating no sugar but having sweet fruits in the beginning. When I got over the craving for the sugar - took around 10 days, then I dropped the sweet fruit too.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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I found OLE to be better than any anti-yeast Rx -- and much, much safer for my liver.

I also tried both caprylic acid or oregano oil in the past and both were just caustic to my entire GI tract.

If you do take oregano oil, though, be certain it's in a strong gel cap that will not open up until pretty far down your digestive tract. You do not want that in your esophagus.

And be sure to take it in the middle of a good meal.

A no-sugar, very low carbohydrate intake also important. But, with a very low carb approach, be sure to get enough fish, eggs, animal protein and their fats, too, so your blood sugar says stable. Green or non-starchy veggies.

Not necessarily going official "low-carb, high & healthy fat" or ketogenic, yet those principles expalin how to keep sugar low in your body. Most carbs are sugar. Direct websites - and YouTube videos by:

Virta Health . . . Dr. Eric Berg . . . Dr. Ken Berry

-- are a few basic places that explain a lot about how to keep sugar very low.

Best to Avoid grains, legumes, starchy root vegetables as they turn to sugar in the body. Any grain is just like eating sugar. some beans and some root veggies, too, just turn to sugar.


Also know that some kinds of powered plant protein, and whey protein powder, can raise insulin even if it does not spike glucose (though it may for some). You don't want elevated glucose or elevated insulin.

Real food is best. So many additives can really mess us up.

Unless you have metabolic issues like insulin resistance, pre-diabetes or diabetes,

You likely need not go really low but maybe cutting down your total carb daily intake to just better for you would likely be a good trial for a few weeks.

That's still a lot lower in sugars than the standard American diet (SAD).

For a treat: coconut "butter" Raw, by Artisana Organics is very delicious . . . Olivia 100% Raw Chocolate - no added sugar - (from VitaCost) is a very low carb treat, too. It's so strong you won't want much. But it is rich in a dense sense.

Still rinse mouth after, though, as it does have a few carbs and that's still a bit of sugar you don't want sitting on your teeth.

It's best to avoid all sweeteners, even zero calorie. They trick the body and the brain and really can trigger cravings.

Once away from any sweet taste for a week or two, and if enough non-starchy greens, cauliflower is also very low carb / sugar. . when.adequate animal or fish protein and animal fats are on board, sugar cravings really disappear, usually.

"vegetable" and seed oils that are industrially processed at very high heat with chemicals can make one feel very ill and cause damge. This includes soybean oil, canola oil, corn oil, etc. These cause inflammation.

Good, though techinally from fruits: Extra Virgin Olive Oil; Avocado WHEN COLD PRESSED. WILD caught Salmon for its Omega 3 oil is good.

The composition of fats in meat are best from grass-fed & finished / pastured ruminant animals, when / if possible. Fat helps with satiety and energy.

When you look at labels, remember that the listing for sugar matters but so does the listing for carbohydrates. All carbs turn to sugar in our body, very quickly. And candida loves that.

Best to avoid any of the trendy snacks that might claim to be low carb as they are processed and can trigger cravings.

Anything with "natural flavoring" can trigger the brain to crave, crave, crave. So be careful with that as an ingredient.

Some nice benefits, though, to going low carb (however you define outside of treatment for diabetes) is that it can help in so many other ways, too. Sure helped me right away to decrease pain and increase quality of sleep.
Common sense.


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also avoid all smoothies or vegetables juices, even if just all green - that's still a lot of - processed, even if by you in your kitchen -- & concentrated liquid sugar all at once.

Green veggies are meant to eat as real food, not drink a week's servings in two minutes.

I hope you find a comprehensive plan that works for you. It's a lot of just seeing what makes you feel better from the inside out. Good luck.


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[ 10-30-2019, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
 
Posted by Blackstone (Member # 9453) on :
 
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Originally posted by Lymetoo:
Yikes. I would try to go natural. You may have better results.

Be sure to tackle your dietary concerns ASAP.

MAYBE you could add some sauerkraut? Only small amounts.

Diflucan can really make a mess by causing your body to have trouble processing oxalates. Nystatin can also cause similar troubles.

Would you have any information on Diflucan and Nystatin impacts on oxalates? I've not seen much to date to suggest a negative relation; most seems to be focused on the role of yeast/fungal generated increased oxalates and introducing the use of anti-fungals like Diflucan to kill the pathogen, thus reducing harmful oxalates. Is there some other relation between the drugs messing with oxalate metabolism somehow?
 
Posted by GVS (Member # 48913) on :
 
As far as probiotics go, Flora-Balance by O'Donnell labs is good, so is Syntol by Arthur Andrew Medical

GVS
 
Posted by Lymetoo (Member # 743) on :
 
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Originally posted by Blackstone:
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Originally posted by Lymetoo:
Yikes. I would try to go natural. You may have better results.

Be sure to tackle your dietary concerns ASAP.

MAYBE you could add some sauerkraut? Only small amounts.

Diflucan can really make a mess by causing your body to have trouble processing oxalates. Nystatin can also cause similar troubles.

Would you have any information on Diflucan and Nystatin impacts on oxalates? I've not seen much to date to suggest a negative relation; most seems to be focused on the role of yeast/fungal generated increased oxalates and introducing the use of anti-fungals like Diflucan to kill the pathogen, thus reducing harmful oxalates. Is there some other relation between the drugs messing with oxalate metabolism somehow?
I was relating what Susan Owens has said about the relationship in her group Trying Low Oxalates. She has done extensive research on oxalates.

I believe it to be correct because last year I decided to take Diflucan for a month to kill out the yeast in my gut.

All I got in return was an increased sensitivity to oxalates. My main reaction to them is more body pain because oxalates remove minerals from our bodies. It makes my muscles very tight and painful.

Now it takes even less to set me off.

I know that oxalates also affect histamine levels.
 
Posted by Rivendell (Member # 19922) on :
 
Lymetoo, I've been taking those two meds for a long time off and on and a couple years ago developed a kidney stone. Probably caused by the meds maybe. I also have trouble with histamine reactions.

Thanks for the info.

I really think probiotics can help so much along with diet changes. But when yeast is really bad, other things may be required.

Stopping antibiotics and switching to an herbal protocal may help too.
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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Diflucan can cause serious liver damage. Be sure to study this very extensively if you decide to take it so that you know the risks and what may (or may not - there is no guarantee that anything can help but do explore what might - might - help to have on board long before use, during and after).

OLE was much better for me than Diflucan ever was. With what I know today about sugars, IMO, a very low carbohydrate diet would also be helpful with no grains whatsoever, no bean or legumes, no flours whatsoever . . .

a low oxalate diet and a low lectin diet to protect the gut lining and other body tissues may result in some pain relief.

GI pain that might be attributed solely to candida could have various connections to high oxalate foods, lectins, and to the hidden, though natural sugars in some foods like grains, rice, beans, yams, beets, etc.
Gluten, too, can be a culprit yet many have already cut out gluten and get even more relief when cutting out grains altogether.

Dairy, too, can cause gut issues for many. (Sigh!) This one is often the hardest for some but also where some real progress for the gut and lower inflammation can be seen.

A low csrb / high fat approach might give you the foundation for your nutrition with above the ground low-carb veggies, fatty cuts of meat - ruminants are the most nutritious), & salmon, sardines, pastured eggs, etc.

I am not suggesting that you necessarily start on a strict LCHF plan, though just becoming familiar with what that is, can help you whittle out some foods that might cause your gut trouble, for various reasons.

While there are many reasons that one might embark on low (or lower) carb approach, and remember that when carbs drop dramatically, fat must accompany protein as it's the fat that will fuel the body's energy with the protein source providing nutrients.

While many reasons this helps, you can get the basic idea of what low carb mean by searching the web and YouTube for:

"Virta Health"

Search YouTube for :

"Dr. Stephen Phinney" "Well-Formulated Ketogenic Diet"

a "ketogenic diet is very low carb, under 20 grams a day. A few more carbs can go with the "Low Carb/High Fat" plan.

web & YouTube: "Dr. Eric Westman" "no starch diet"

a proper SALT & BROTH are key to staring out.


Avoiding all "vegetable" & seed oils also important for gut health.

Good luck. It can get better, really.

I apologize for so many "do this, not that" statements. It's just that while I am so much better in many ways since I've gone "keto" nearly 1.5 years now, but there is still much I contend with regarding lyme, et. al. and inner ear issues.

so, it's just hard for me to have a great outline of WHY I suggest what I do for the issues that trouble you right now.

I try to give the basics in how to find out more for yourself, though about all the aspects in my posts. I hope you / others might find the learning experience to be enjoyable, too.

there are so many "ah-hah" moments and "wish I'd know that a long time ago" and even "oh, if only we had known that long ago. my mom or dad might still be alive."

Good luck.
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[ 10-30-2019, 02:18 PM: Message edited by: Keebler ]
 
Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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This first links set for any who has a stomach. Really. and for anyone with any kind of digestive distress. Really.

As a first step, eliminating all in this category, some have found great relief in just a couple weeks. The Ivor Cummins' interview here has such a success story:

http://flash.lymenet.org/scripts/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/3/38357?#000000

Topic: "Vegetable" / Seed Oils: Danger & Damage to gut and entire body, too.

LINKS SET that includes the good fats that our bodies need

the toxic, industrial "bad" oils include: canola, corn, safflower and so many others that are not at all what we think.


NOT vegetable oils include: Extra Virgin Olive Oil --though be certain of where it comes from. Research the brand, etc. as not all is what it claims. Cold pressed, only. [Olives really a fruit]

Coconut oil -- raw, unrefined, cold pressed

Avocado oil - unrefined, and also be sure of how it's made, etc. Avocado is also really a fruit. Know your source, their methods.

These three can be helpful and enjoyable for many.
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Posted by Keebler (Member # 12673) on :
 
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In addition to OLE (Olive Leaf Extract) there are many other herbal approaches to managing candida overgrowth.

You might check the web discussion forums / website for

Stephen H. Buhner (he is a master herbalist who is very much "lyme literate" yet does not limit his work to only lyme . . . and also check out his various books. His work is extremely thorough and offers much insight as to why he suggests what he does -- and how best to take this or that herb.
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