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Topic: Bartonella Alert
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Tincup Frequent Contributor Posts: 2234 From: The Moon Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 07 May 2002 18:09
Just finished this rough draft.. and am SOOOO tired of looking at it.. I could use an Editor...Anyone? THANKS! It has to be a ONE page handout.. so I can't add more unless I take out stuff... BARTONELLA ALERT It is well known that co-infections may occur with Lyme Disease relatively frequently. Patients with a history of Lyme Disease who have incomplete resolution of symptoms should be evaluated for Bartonella infections. Bartonella is an intracellular, gram-negative bacteria that can become chronic. Certain lab tests may not detect the infection due to a variety of strains and the lack of sensitivity of the tests. It is advised to use both PCR and IFA methods of testing and not to dismiss the disease due to negative tests when symptoms are present. Various Bartonella species have been recognized since the early 1950’s. Bartonella may not present in its usual form when additional infections, such as Lyme or Babesia are present. In addition, typical Bartonella lesions are not always seen in patients, therefore, a diagnosis of “fever of unknown origin” should alert a physician to consider Bartonella. It is estimated that approximately 2/3 of the patients with Bartonella have a fever. Involvement of practically every organ has been reported. There are a variety of symptoms associated with Bartonella, including, but not limited to, the following: GENERAL: Fatigue, Restlessness, Combative behavior, Myalgias, Malaise, Liver and/or Spleen involvement, Abdominal pain, Infectious Mononucleosis-like Syndrome, Granulomatous Hepatitis BRAIN: Encephalopathy may occur 1-6 weeks after the initial infection and is fairly common in patients with Bartonella. Note: Approximately 50 percent of patients who develop Encephalopathy can be affected by seizures (from focal to generalized, and from brief and self-limited to status epilepticus). Headaches, Cognitive Dysfunction, and CNS Lesions may be evident. RASH AND LYMPHADENITIS: Erythematous papules (red splotches or slightly raised red spots) may develop. Such papules occasionally occur on the lower limbs but are more common on the upper limbs, the head, and neck. The papules may appear on the skin or mucous membranes. Bartonella may also cause subcutaneous nodules, with some bone involvement possible. The nodules may show some hyperpigmentation, be tender, fester, and/or be enlarged or swollen, but not always. EYES: Conjunctivitis, Bartonella Neuroretinitis, Loss of Vision, Flame Shaped Hemorrhages, Branch Retinal Artery Occlusion with Vision Loss, Cotton Wool Exudates, Parinaud’s Oculoglandular Syndrome, and Papilledema. BONES AND MUSCLES: Osteomyelitis, Myositis, Osteolytic Lesions (softening of bone), Myelitis, Radiculitis, Transverse Myelitis, Arthritis, Chronic Demyelinating Polyneuropathy. HEART: Endocarditis, Cardiomegaly. Possible lab findings: The following may show up during standard testing: Thrombocytopenia, pancytopenia, anemia, elevated serum alkaline phosphatase level, elevated bilirubin, abnormal liver enzymes. X-ray of the bone may show areas of lysis or poorly-defined areas of cortical destruction with periosteal reaction. Cardiomegaly may show up on a chest X-Ray. Biopsies of lymph nodes reveal pathology often indistinguishable from sarcoidosis. Reports of biopsies strongly suggestive of lymphoma do occur. Tests occasionally show an enlarged liver with multiple hypodense areas scattered throughout the parenchyma. TREATMENT: You MUST consult a knowledgeable physician for information on treatment for disseminated Bartonella. Some of the medications which have been used in the past have included Doxycycline (with or without Rifampin), Ciprofloxacin, Erythromycin, Azithromycin, trimethoprim-sulphamethoxazole, gentamicin, and other macrolide antibiotics. ------------------ My Tincup runneth over with whine. IP: Logged |
Lymetoo Frequent Contributor Posts: 16145 From: Missouri Texan Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 07 May 2002 21:25
Tincup....looks good to me!! Where ya going to hand it out?? I learned a few things!!IP: Logged |
SandiB Frequent Contributor Posts: 902 From: North FL USA Registered: Aug 2001
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posted 07 May 2002 23:11
Thanks for the info on bartonella....I was researching it a few weeks ago when I was asking about toxoplasmosis. You are helping us get educated...appreciate it. SandiBIP: Logged |
WildCondor Frequent Contributor Posts: 3865 From: The Swamp Registered: Nov 2000
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posted 08 May 2002 00:02
Do you hear somebody sneezing? IP: Logged |
Etta Frequent Contributor Posts: 140 From: Mountainburg, AR Registered: Apr 2001
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posted 09 May 2002 01:10
Thanks Tincup for the article. It would be useful to many to add how it is gotten:i.e, thru tick bite,flea bite or an infected animal such as a cat scratching you after he's scratched the flea feces from his skin. I keep testing positive for this inspite of extensive treatment with the Doxy.Zythro, and Levaquin. We're starting to suspect exposure to my cats, may be the culprit. Thanks again.IP: Logged |
LimeKrazy Frequent Contributor Posts: 70 From: MontCo, PA Registered: Oct 2001
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posted 09 May 2002 07:17
tincup -this is great information -- can you also post the sources you obtained it from? I really like to read research/review articles, etc because often they provide links to more and still more info and also it is useful to have sources to cite when trying to deal with doctors and insurance companies (not to mention skeptical friends and family!) thanks  --LK PS-I don't think there's anything extraneous in your post -- nothing to be edited! [This message has been edited by LimeKrazy (edited 09 May 2002).] IP: Logged |
greg Frequent Contributor Posts: 721 From: frederick,md,usa Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 09 May 2002 16:52
thanks t.c. good info for llmd..my llmd says that he has good luck getting rid of bart without having to use cipro..ive been on zitro and will be up for retest this month...keep ya posted...gregIP: Logged |
baxter Frequent Contributor Posts: 86 From: PA Registered: Feb 2002
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posted 09 May 2002 20:51
Thanks tincup for the great post. Didn't you have somewhere to be today???? Just curious as I couldn't get the day off after-all, I really wanted to attend. I did email you, maybe you didn't get it?? Hope your date went well!!------------------ baxter IP: Logged |
cbb Frequent Contributor Posts: 3694 From: South Carolina Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 03 March 2003 10:37
Good info. Back to the top.IP: Logged |
hummingbird Frequent Contributor Posts: 253 From: CA Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 03 March 2003 11:17
Thanks tincup... some of that sounds pretty unpleasant...ummm... what are cotton wool exudates? ------------------ Bright Blessings! Joy IP: Logged |
Tincup Frequent Contributor Posts: 2234 From: The Moon Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 03 March 2003 11:25
Cotton wool stuff for hummingbird..... http://www.avclinic.com/Retinal_signs.htm IP: Logged |
hummingbird Frequent Contributor Posts: 253 From: CA Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 03 March 2003 12:31
ghee, and I thought I might be able to spin it!  IP: Logged |
cbb Frequent Contributor Posts: 3694 From: South Carolina Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 04 April 2003 22:37
to the top for new membersIP: Logged |
troutscout Frequent Contributor Posts: 4496 From: North East, Iowa Registered: Sep 2002
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posted 15 July 2003 19:30
tO THE TOPIP: Logged |
DiffyQue Frequent Contributor Posts: 1172 From: Registered: Nov 2002
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posted 15 July 2003 20:05
Tincup, Execellent! A future table-format as a check- off list? In Excel, far left column of Sxs, the rest of the columns to the right could be the days of the week, and the person could record the time of occurence? Good Luck Dq IP: Logged |
Tincup Frequent Contributor Posts: 2234 From: The Moon Registered: Jun 2004
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posted 15 July 2003 23:35
Hey DiffyQ...You said... "A future table-format as a check- off list? In Excel, far left column of Sxs, the rest of the columns to the right could be the days of the week, and the person could record the time of occurence?" Sorry.. You don't hardly think I have a clue what any of that computer stuff means.. do ya?  Sorry... I am not computer literate enough to do what you are saying... heck.. I don't even KNOW what you are saying. But.. it sounds like a good idea! Can YOU do it? IP: Logged |
cbb Frequent Contributor Posts: 3694 From: South Carolina Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 17 July 2003 01:07
Great info!! To the top for those who haven't read it.IP: Logged |
frenchbraid Frequent Contributor Posts: 948 From: Northwest, NJ USA Registered: Jul 2003
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posted 17 July 2003 09:40
Hi Tincup!This is ironic that I saw your post this morning. We were discussing this very thing last night at the Lyme support group. Do you know if Rocephin also treats Bartenella? The reason I'm asking is because I called the Center that I'm being treated at to ask what co-infections that I was tested for. The only one they tested me for was Babesia. I was shocked. Is this possibly because the treatment that I'm on will also kill the Babesia? Just curious because it was a BIG topic last night. IP: Logged |
GiGi Frequent Contributor Posts: 2923 From: Washington State Registered: Oct 2000
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posted 17 July 2003 10:25
My damage was originlly identified by an Infectious Disease guy with Lyme Meningitis. The main culptrit, without my asking for co-infection tests, was Bartonella Hensleae, then called Rochlamae hensleae (sp?).The major symptoms was severe, severe brain fog and ligament involvement. But the brain fog was treated and conquered with Neural Therapy www.neuraltherapy.com, not at all with antibiotics. Tiny seizures were seen during Real Time EEG also called Neurofeedback (www.neuropathways.com) IP: Logged |
cootiegirl Frequent Contributor Posts: 1671 From: New York State Registered: Oct 2002
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posted 17 July 2003 12:15
Wish I had this info sheet a few weeks ago when I saw the duck psychologist that did the neuropsych testing on me and told me my problem was depression, and I couldn't possibly have Bartonella (the old false positive argument) because it can only be contracted from bugs in South America!!! Would have liked to shove this under his nose because he sure wasn't believing me!!Looks good to me - clear, concise but packed with important info..... cootiegirl IP: Logged |
livinlyme Frequent Contributor Posts: 875 From: Bloomsburg,PA USA Registered: Mar 2003
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posted 17 July 2003 12:28
TY TC,Sponge, sponge,, SUX, SUX, I'm full now, thank you, how refreshing.... TC, I think you are entitle to mark the 8,000 served and still pouring!!?? UP, UP ------------------ Can't do better, unless you know better! IP: Logged |
lightfoot Frequent Contributor Posts: 1059 From: CO Registered: May 2002
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posted 17 July 2003 13:06
Tincup,Thanks so much.....everything in one neat article!! Thanks for bringing this to the top. Any problem with us using this article for education, etc (duck food)? lightfoot IP: Logged |
cbb Frequent Contributor Posts: 3694 From: South Carolina Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 16 September 2003 20:01
Great info!Back to the top. IP: Logged |
cbb Frequent Contributor Posts: 3694 From: South Carolina Registered: Mar 2001
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posted 27 September 2003 17:51
To the top again.IP: Logged |
Mo Frequent Contributor Posts: 5800 From: Wonderland Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 26 October 2003 17:36
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