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Tincup
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posted 07 May 2002 18:09     Click Here to See the Profile for Tincup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just finished this rough draft.. and am SOOOO tired of looking at it.. I could use an Editor...

Anyone? THANKS! It has to be a ONE page handout.. so I can't add more unless I take out stuff...

BARTONELLA ALERT

It is well known that co-infections may occur with Lyme Disease relatively frequently. Patients with a
history of Lyme Disease who have incomplete resolution of symptoms should be evaluated for Bartonella
infections. Bartonella is an intracellular, gram-negative bacteria that can become chronic. Certain lab tests
may not detect the infection due to a variety of strains and the lack of sensitivity of the tests. It is advised to
use both PCR and IFA methods of testing and not to dismiss the disease due to negative tests when
symptoms are present. Various Bartonella species have been recognized since the early 1950’s.

Bartonella may not present in its usual form when additional infections, such as Lyme or Babesia are
present. In addition, typical Bartonella lesions are not always seen in patients, therefore, a diagnosis of
“fever of unknown origin” should alert a physician to consider Bartonella. It is estimated that approximately
2/3 of the patients with Bartonella have a fever. Involvement of practically every organ has been reported.

There are a variety of symptoms associated with Bartonella, including, but not limited to, the following:

GENERAL: Fatigue, Restlessness, Combative behavior, Myalgias, Malaise, Liver and/or Spleen
involvement, Abdominal pain, Infectious Mononucleosis-like Syndrome, Granulomatous Hepatitis

BRAIN: Encephalopathy may occur 1-6 weeks after the initial infection and is fairly common in patients
with Bartonella. Note: Approximately 50 percent of patients who develop Encephalopathy can be affected
by seizures (from focal to generalized, and from brief and self-limited to status epilepticus). Headaches,
Cognitive Dysfunction, and CNS Lesions may be evident.

RASH AND LYMPHADENITIS: Erythematous papules (red splotches or slightly raised red spots) may
develop. Such papules occasionally occur on the lower limbs but are more common on the upper limbs, the
head, and neck. The papules may appear on the skin or mucous membranes. Bartonella may also cause
subcutaneous nodules, with some bone involvement possible. The nodules may show some
hyperpigmentation, be tender, fester, and/or be enlarged or swollen, but not always.

EYES: Conjunctivitis, Bartonella Neuroretinitis, Loss of Vision, Flame Shaped Hemorrhages, Branch
Retinal Artery Occlusion with Vision Loss, Cotton Wool Exudates, Parinaud’s Oculoglandular Syndrome,
and Papilledema.

BONES AND MUSCLES: Osteomyelitis, Myositis, Osteolytic Lesions (softening of bone), Myelitis,
Radiculitis, Transverse Myelitis, Arthritis, Chronic Demyelinating Polyneuropathy.

HEART: Endocarditis, Cardiomegaly.
Possible lab findings: The following may show up during standard testing:

Thrombocytopenia, pancytopenia, anemia, elevated serum alkaline phosphatase level, elevated bilirubin, abnormal liver enzymes.
X-ray of the bone may show areas of lysis or poorly-defined areas of cortical destruction with periosteal
reaction. Cardiomegaly may show up on a chest X-Ray.

Biopsies of lymph nodes reveal pathology often indistinguishable from sarcoidosis. Reports of biopsies
strongly suggestive of lymphoma do occur.

Tests occasionally show an enlarged liver with multiple hypodense areas scattered throughout the
parenchyma.

TREATMENT: You MUST consult a knowledgeable physician for information on treatment for
disseminated Bartonella. Some of the medications which have been used in the past have included
Doxycycline (with or without Rifampin), Ciprofloxacin, Erythromycin, Azithromycin,
trimethoprim-sulphamethoxazole, gentamicin, and other macrolide antibiotics.

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My Tincup runneth over with whine.

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Lymetoo
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posted 07 May 2002 21:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Lymetoo   Click Here to Email Lymetoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tincup....looks good to me!! Where ya going to hand it out?? I learned a few things!!

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SandiB
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posted 07 May 2002 23:11     Click Here to See the Profile for SandiB   Click Here to Email SandiB     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the info on bartonella....I was researching it a few weeks ago when I was asking about toxoplasmosis. You are helping us get educated...appreciate it.
SandiB

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posted 08 May 2002 00:02     Click Here to See the Profile for WildCondor   Click Here to Email WildCondor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you hear somebody sneezing?

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Etta
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posted 09 May 2002 01:10     Click Here to See the Profile for Etta   Click Here to Email Etta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Tincup for the article. It would be useful to many to add how it is gotten:i.e, thru tick bite,flea bite or an infected animal such as a cat scratching you after he's scratched the flea feces from his skin. I keep testing positive for this inspite of extensive treatment with the Doxy.Zythro, and Levaquin. We're starting to suspect exposure to my cats, may be the culprit. Thanks again.

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LimeKrazy
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posted 09 May 2002 07:17     Click Here to See the Profile for LimeKrazy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tincup -

this is great information --
can you also post the sources you obtained it from?
I really like to read research/review articles, etc because often they provide links to more and still more info
and also it is useful to have sources to cite when trying to deal with doctors and insurance companies
(not to mention skeptical friends and family!)

thanks
--LK

PS-I don't think there's anything extraneous in your post -- nothing to be edited!

[This message has been edited by LimeKrazy (edited 09 May 2002).]

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greg
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posted 09 May 2002 16:52     Click Here to See the Profile for greg   Click Here to Email greg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks t.c. good info for llmd..my llmd says that he has good luck getting rid of bart without having to use cipro..ive been on zitro and will be up for retest this month...keep ya posted...greg

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posted 09 May 2002 20:51     Click Here to See the Profile for baxter   Click Here to Email baxter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks tincup for the great post. Didn't you have somewhere to be today???? Just curious as I couldn't get the day off after-all, I really wanted to attend. I did email you, maybe you didn't get it?? Hope your date went well!!

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posted 03 March 2003 10:37     Click Here to See the Profile for cbb   Click Here to Email cbb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good info.
Back to the top.

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hummingbird
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posted 03 March 2003 11:17     Click Here to See the Profile for hummingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks tincup... some of that sounds pretty unpleasant...

ummm... what are cotton wool exudates?

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Tincup
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posted 03 March 2003 11:25     Click Here to See the Profile for Tincup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cotton wool stuff for hummingbird.....

http://www.avclinic.com/Retinal_signs.htm

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hummingbird
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posted 03 March 2003 12:31     Click Here to See the Profile for hummingbird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ghee, and I thought I might be able to spin it!

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posted 04 April 2003 22:37     Click Here to See the Profile for cbb   Click Here to Email cbb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
to the top for new members

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posted 15 July 2003 19:30     Click Here to See the Profile for troutscout   Click Here to Email troutscout     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tO THE TOP

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posted 15 July 2003 20:05     Click Here to See the Profile for DiffyQue   Click Here to Email DiffyQue     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Tincup,

Execellent! A future table-format as a check-

off list?

In Excel, far left column of Sxs, the rest

of the columns to the right could be the

days of the week, and the person could

record the time of occurence?

Good Luck
Dq

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Tincup
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posted 15 July 2003 23:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Tincup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey DiffyQ...

You said...

"A future table-format as a check-

off list?

In Excel, far left column of Sxs, the rest

of the columns to the right could be the

days of the week, and the person could

record the time of occurence?"

Sorry.. You don't hardly think I have a clue what any of that computer stuff means.. do ya?

Sorry... I am not computer literate enough to do what you are saying... heck.. I don't even KNOW what you are saying.

But.. it sounds like a good idea!

Can YOU do it?

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cbb
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posted 17 July 2003 01:07     Click Here to See the Profile for cbb   Click Here to Email cbb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great info!!
To the top for those who haven't read it.

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frenchbraid
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posted 17 July 2003 09:40     Click Here to See the Profile for frenchbraid   Click Here to Email frenchbraid     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Tincup!

This is ironic that I saw your post this morning. We were discussing this very thing last night at the Lyme support group. Do you know if Rocephin also treats Bartenella? The reason I'm asking is because I called the Center that I'm being treated at to ask what co-infections that I was tested for. The only one they tested me for was Babesia. I was shocked. Is this possibly because the treatment that I'm on will also kill the Babesia? Just curious because it was a BIG topic last night.

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posted 17 July 2003 10:25     Click Here to See the Profile for GiGi   Click Here to Email GiGi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My damage was originlly identified by an Infectious Disease guy with Lyme Meningitis.
The main culptrit, without my asking for co-infection tests, was Bartonella Hensleae, then called Rochlamae hensleae (sp?).

The major symptoms was severe, severe brain fog and ligament involvement. But the brain fog was treated and conquered with Neural Therapy www.neuraltherapy.com, not at all with antibiotics. Tiny seizures were seen during Real Time EEG also called Neurofeedback (www.neuropathways.com)

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cootiegirl
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posted 17 July 2003 12:15     Click Here to See the Profile for cootiegirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wish I had this info sheet a few weeks ago when I saw the duck psychologist that did the neuropsych testing on me and told me my problem was depression, and I couldn't possibly have Bartonella (the old false positive argument) because it can only be contracted from bugs in South America!!! Would have liked to shove this under his nose because he sure wasn't believing me!!

Looks good to me - clear, concise but packed with important info.....
cootiegirl

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livinlyme
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posted 17 July 2003 12:28     Click Here to See the Profile for livinlyme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TY TC,

Sponge, sponge,,
SUX, SUX,
I'm full now, thank you, how refreshing....

TC,
I think you are entitle to mark the 8,000 served and still pouring!!??
UP, UP

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lightfoot
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posted 17 July 2003 13:06     Click Here to See the Profile for lightfoot   Click Here to Email lightfoot     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Tincup,

Thanks so much.....everything in one neat article!!

Thanks for bringing this to the top.

Any problem with us using this article for education, etc (duck food)?

lightfoot

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posted 16 September 2003 20:01     Click Here to See the Profile for cbb   Click Here to Email cbb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great info!

Back to the top.

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posted 27 September 2003 17:51     Click Here to See the Profile for cbb   Click Here to Email cbb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To the top again.

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posted 26 October 2003 17:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Mo   Click Here to Email Mo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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