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Lymetoo
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posted 30 November 2003 19:38     Click Here to See the Profile for Lymetoo   Click Here to Email Lymetoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This program was designed by my naturopath, Gary Brewer. I hope it helps others as it has helped me.

"Successful control and elminiation of a Candida Albicans overgrowth requires a multifaceted program as described below. Failure to follow ALL the steps simultaneously will result in slow progress and will lengthen healing time significantly. The program should be tailored to the individual and must balance the need to eliminate the Candida and deprive it of its food source while insuring proper nutrition for the individual."

Five Steps to Candida Elimination:

1. You must starve it into submission by eliminating its food source.

2. You must kill it with anti-fungal herbs and supplements. [e.g....garlic, onion, caprylic acid, Pau D'Arco capsules or tea, clove, grapefruit seed extract, olive leaf extract, oil of oregano, tea tree oil, Echinacea, Goldenseal, black walnut, MSM, barberry root, uva ursi, neem leaf, biotin]

3. You must reestablish the proper balance and quantity of probiotic bacteria in the digestive tract. [...multi-strain lactobacillus acidophilus and bifidus capsules with FOS should be taken between meals to maximize repopulation of the digestive tract by beneficial bacteria.]

4. You must reestablish proper levels of all B vitamins (yeast free) and utilize other immune enhancing supplements to boost immune system function. [e.g ... B complex vitamins (yeast free), biotin, beta 1-3 glucan, colostrum, maitake mushroom, vitamins A, C, E, zinc and selenium]

5. You must cleanse and heal the digestive tract to promote proper elimination of toxins and Candida and assimilation of nutrients. [e.g...chlorophyll, MSM, omega 3 fatty acids found in flax seed and salmon oils, GLA found in borage, evening primrose and black currant oils. Pantothenic acid, digestive enzymes between meals]

Foods safe to eat:

breads .. low carb breads by Atkins, low carb and Ezekiel breads by Food for Life, low carb tortillas, brown rice bread, low carb pasta and noodles

vegetables of color .. green, yellow, red, purple, etc... like squash, broccoli, cabbage, kale, bok choy, sweet potatoes, celery, spinach, romaine lettuce, collard greens, broccoli slaw, brown rice, basmati rice, millet

olive oil, lemon, organic apple cider vinegar, garlic, onion, limit to 1 oz sugar-free dressing daily

eggs, plain yogurt [NO sugar or fruit added], small amounts of butter, UNsweetened soy milk, Keto milk, kefir

chicken, fish, and turkey, baked or broiled, not fried

Snacks....seeds and nuts...pumpkin seeds, celery with almond butter, almonds, walnuts, unsweetened soy butter, roasted soy nuts

Fruits...Granny Smith apples, lemons, limes....fresh or frozen only

Beverages....WATER, herbal teas like Pau D'Arco, Echinacea, and aloe vera

FOODS TO AVOID:

Sugars: white sugar, honey, aspartame, equal, brown sugar, corn syrup, molasses, most fruits, canned fruits and fruit juices, syrups, soft drinks, cakes, cookies, chocolate

White flour breads and products: hot dog buns, hamburger buns, bread sticks, crackers, whole wheat breads, prepared foods with bread crumb coating, noodles, pasta

white veggies: potatoes, white rice, grits, also corn and all canned vegetables

alcohol and fermented foods, including soy sauce and cider, ginger ale, beer, wine, vinegar, sauerkraut, pickles, relishes, most dressings

dairy products....milk, cheese, ice cream, flavored yogurt

red meats, pork, bacon, sandwich meats, salami, bologna, hot dogs, sausage, etc

peanuts, peanut butter, pistachios

all other fresh and canned fruits and fruit juices not on the "safe" list

Beverages: colas, sodas, fruit juices, pop, sugared drinks, coffee, or caffeinated teas and drinks, fruit punch, etc


[This message has been edited by Lymetoo (edited 01 December 2003).]

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Mo
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posted 30 November 2003 20:58     Click Here to See the Profile for Mo   Click Here to Email Mo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Miss Tu-Tu!!

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posted 01 December 2003 00:18     Click Here to See the Profile for greg   Click Here to Email greg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NICE !!!! back up

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posted 01 December 2003 00:35     Click Here to See the Profile for cootiegirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is excellent!! Thanks TuTu.

I tried doing this. At the same time I was trying to chase away the yeast, I was having some allergy testing done and found I was allergic to several foods. My doctor wanted to put me on an elimination diet. Most of the foods that I was showing allergic reactions to were the safe foods!!!! Chicken, kale and water were fast becoming my only source of nutrition!!!! It was pathetic!

I've fallen off the wagon a bit which is only benefitting the yeast. I've tried to reintroduce some of the safe foods to see how I respond to them....Gonna pin this list to my shirt!
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Kathy Boss
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posted 01 December 2003 02:24     Click Here to See the Profile for Kathy Boss   Click Here to Email Kathy Boss     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello Lymetoo,

You always have such good informationa nd I am not one to debate with you or anyone else......

But me having a huge Candida problem with 2 huge treatments (ICHT) that can leave you with more of a problem with candida than you started with.....


This is where my doctor (a pathologist) started. Mega dose's of enzymes (the right ones) UVBI treatments and vit C and multivitamins.

This last (and first Chelation) one week ago has left me with a MASSIVE vaginal yeast infection.

This tells me to stay away from things that kill off bacteria and stick with detox and the way I originaly was going.

Far infared is the next and only thing I do at this next office visit. I am so mad I am in the position of this vaginal yeast infection when all I had to do was listen to GiG....I did not have to do Chelation treatment at this time.....

It only throws you back when you do not do the right things at the right time.

I WAS DOING SO GOOD ON LITTLE SUPPLEMENTS AND HAD TO ROCK THE BOAT.

No one could afford or know how to put all the supplements mentioned above together. That is what I originaly found confusing.

Not that you or your doctor doesn't know what they/you are talking about but.......

If someone else finds a problem with trying to follow the above protocol/or doesn't have the money to purchase all the things mentioned above to get a Candida free life style they can first......

Get off all abx, get the right enzymes and a good protocol of vitamins & minerals to get thru their first 2-3 months.

It takes that long to see a difference and give yourself rest to see a difference in between.

Kat

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Melanie Reber
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posted 01 December 2003 10:05     Click Here to See the Profile for Melanie Reber   Click Here to Email Melanie Reber     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Miss Toots.

It is really nice to have all of this information in one place.

Melanie

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posted 01 December 2003 11:24     Click Here to See the Profile for woody   Click Here to Email woody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A keeper...thanks!!

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posted 01 December 2003 11:32     Click Here to See the Profile for bgnrsmnd   Click Here to Email bgnrsmnd     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anybody know what the deal is with peanuts/peanutbutter? I've heard they are prone to mold, but is this possibly an issue with source/storage? The commercial peanut butters are often high and sugar so I try to avoid them, but I have peanut butter ground at a local health store that is sugar free. I like it because I get easily delivery of fat/protein when I am not up to cooking (most of the time these days).

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Wow, Lymetoo, this is priceless!!!

Definitely a keeper! I'm printing it out right now.

We can always count on you.

Thank you, thank you, sweetie.

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posted 01 December 2003 12:50     Click Here to See the Profile for troutscout   Click Here to Email troutscout     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Awesome stuff.

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Lymetoo
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posted 01 December 2003 13:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Lymetoo   Click Here to Email Lymetoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Kathy, I'm so sorry you are having problems with the yeast now...UGH! ....NO, you don't have to buy ALL those supplements, notice that it says "e.g"...."for example" / It just lists all the possibilities so you can choose.

bg....I think it's the mold issue with the peanuts.

The AVOID list can be relaxed SOME if your yeast is under control....but with us being on abx, we have to be very careful how much we bend the rules.

I bend the rules very little, and yet I have a major yeast problem right now. It's getting better, but I'm still going to be very strict on this thing for another week or two.

BTW, this is the Dr who first sent me to my wonderful Dr C....[I didn't know I had Lyme at that time....only that I needed help with a yeast problem!] Dr C is this naturopath's doctor! (Dr C is in family practice.)

So I am forever grateful to Dr. Brewer! I could possibly have gone the rest of my life not knowing I had Lyme.

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One problem with peanuts is aflatoxin. I am told that cashews and almonds are best for fungus. Pistachios especially bad.

I haven't verified this, but my mold doctor told me that tofu might be a problem, and if so, then so is unsweetened soy milk. (Too bad. I can't drink cow's milk.)

Provolone and mozarella for cheese supposedly OK. No romano, asiago, parmesan. There are 3 kinds of rennet: veg, animal, and microbial. The last can be fungal (maybe aspergillus) or bacterial. So try to find out how cheese is made if you do that.

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That's good stuff on candida. But, one thing I keep reading and hearing about more and more these days is that stomach parasites are a contributing factor with candida. And you need to get rid of parasites before you can effectively get rid of candida. So, if you are having fits with candida, try looking at parasites. I need treatment for both, but I was told to treat the parasites before working on candida. I am taking probiotics and prebiotics while treating parasites so as not to lose ground, but I will not address the candida with diet until I am done with parasites.

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Breads of any kind are NOT safe to eat when trying eliminate Candida. They contain yeast.

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posted 19 January 2004 15:44     Click Here to See the Profile for dontlikeliver   Click Here to Email dontlikeliver     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excellent list, thanks.

Not all breads contain yeast, there are yeast-free ones. However, if soy isn't safe then perhaps low-carb bread isn't either as I think much of it is soy-based.

Also, other yeast-free breads still made with flour will not be low-carb - so then there's still the issue with high-carb = blood sugar = yeast problem.

I know when I did yeast-free I was told no bread of any kind.....but life did get dull with just fish/meat and salad without dressing (or any dressing contaning vinegar anyway).

Anyway, excellent list, I will print it out also although I'm not doing yeast-free yet.

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posted 19 January 2004 19:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Lymetoo   Click Here to Email Lymetoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You must buy the breads at the health food store....and read the labels.

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All such efforts in trying to get yeast infections under control as long as you still harbor excess heavy metals in your body will not be a permanent solution.

Yeast/fungi is an agent the body employs to protect itself from the heavy metals - in other words, to protect you yourself from worse. The trouble is - the fungi also give off toxins during their cycler that cause an added burden to your body.

The only permanent solution to candida etc. is to get the metal toxicity out of the body, and thereby also protect your major organs from high LDL cholesterol, which is also due to heavy metal toxicity.

You can try all the yeastbook diets until the cows come home - it will not work longterm as long as you are heavy metal toxic. Sorry, folks.


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posted 19 January 2004 23:31     Click Here to See the Profile for blackmon   Click Here to Email blackmon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks - great inforomation...sums it all up!

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One thing I have found is that candida forms roots and spores in the body and while killing it with supplements helps; it will come back if you don't address the spores and roots. One other important thing to note is that without metal toxicity and parasites addressed it becomes virtually impossible to eliminate the Candida.

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posted 07 March 2004 05:20     Click Here to See the Profile for rosesisland2000     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
great information Lymetoo...up for others

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Yeast is normal in our bodies in the right amount. It is not just heavy metals that cause an overgrowth of yeast. One can be free of heavy metals and still harbor a massive yeast overgrowth. An abundance of Candida is mostly caused by an imbalance in the body ecosystem, too little of the good bacteria. This makes room for the yeast to take over. This happens most commonly from antibiotics killing all the good & bad bacteria in our bodies.

You must add good bacteria back into your diet, not just try to kill all of the yeast. Yeast loves sugar so, that has to go. Starve the little suckers and then add in some good probiotics and perhaps some soil based beneficial bacteria.

You also need to clear out the dead yeast, as we do the dead chetes. Psyllium, bentonite and charcoal are just a few of the ways to clear out the dead debris.

You must also heal the leaky gut with things like L-Glutamine and good digestive enzymes.

Lymetoo's post is pretty much right on target. I had severe Systemic Candida. It took a year to get it to a manageable level. I do not have heavy metals, have always tested below normal levels. My Candida is the result of oral antibiotics.

I suggest you experiment with the suggested supplements. Oil of Oregano made me sick as a dog but, Caprylic Acid worked like a charm, as did GSE. You are not expected to take all of these things. Everyone is different.

Patience and diet diligence will bring results.

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posted 17 November 2004 12:55     Click Here to See the Profile for GiGi   Click Here to Email GiGi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And take a tablespoon of EM in a glass of water (Efficient Microbes) three times a day. It works and costs pennies! And keep taking it! You won't be sorry, because it also gets your sludgy blood flowing again and reaching into areas where thick blood has trouble flowing, and you will start feeling as light as a feather once you get going on this.

We are well, but this is one of our mainstays every day.

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posted 17 November 2004 15:42     Click Here to See the Profile for mycoplasma1   Click Here to Email mycoplasma1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm still looking for a good probiotic. I think I have bacterial overgrowth of the small intestine and have positive IGA for yeast.

My doc wants me to try Nystatin and he is a naturopath! He already has me on Oil of O. and others Metagenics berberine, which helped and IV C drips. I also have Lyme and debating oral IV as I am chronic and just found out I had it for probably 10 yrs.

What do you think about trying Nystatin? I am also scheduled to get my 10 amalgams out, but don't know whether I should do the amalgams or the abx first.

Any advice?

Thanks!

Chris

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posted 17 November 2004 16:07     Click Here to See the Profile for mycoplasma1   Click Here to Email mycoplasma1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Excuse my Lymie brain! I was asking about a good probiotic.

I am taking PB8 on and off, but don't really think it is helping.

I've tried Three lac and think it was helping, but Iwas going through other problems and think I had H-Pylori and an ulcer which I thought was cured with Mastic Gum but I have that pain under my loeft rib again the last few days and think it's back. Not sure if I should do the antibiotic route for H-Pylori or stick with the Mastic Gum.

Anyway, have any of you done Primal Defense, Three Lac or Florastore for any length of time and saw results?

Thanks!

Chris

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