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texjb
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posted 25 April 2004 22:40     Click Here to See the Profile for texjb   Click Here to Email texjb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone tried these for the 24/7 head pain? Does it work?

Julie

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Lymetoo
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posted 25 April 2004 22:51     Click Here to See the Profile for Lymetoo   Click Here to Email Lymetoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you're talking about two different kinds of treatments here. Prolotherapy could work for the pain......depends upon what kind of pain you're having.

Do you have access to a library? I would get a copy of Dr Hauser's book on prolo. He has one specifically on head pain, i think.

The only title I have is the one at the end of this list. I know he has about 8 books on prolo.
http://www.prolodoc.com/faber4.htm http://www.prolodoc.com/zale.htm http://www.prolotherapy.com/ http://www.prolodoc.com/
Hear success stories: http://www.prolotherapy.com/proloaudio.htm

Rate prolotherapy: http://www.remedyfind.com/rm-715-Prolotherapy.asp

How do other treatments rate? http://www.remedyfind.com/hc-Osteoarthritis.asp

Articles on prolotherapy:
http://www.prolotherapy.com/documents.htm
http://www.prolotherapy.com/articles/banks.htm http://www.getprolo.com/

A great book on the topic:
Prolo Your Pain Away, by Dr. Ross Hauser

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texjb
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posted 26 April 2004 01:25     Click Here to See the Profile for texjb   Click Here to Email texjb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can you prolo head/ cranial nerve pain and facial nerve pain?

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texjb
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posted 27 April 2004 18:29     Click Here to See the Profile for texjb   Click Here to Email texjb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone done proplotherapy?

Doesn't Dr. C do it?

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lymeinhell
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posted 27 April 2004 19:55     Click Here to See the Profile for lymeinhell   Click Here to Email lymeinhell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I mentioned in my earlier post, I've done the trigger points - in my head. It seems that the pain is radiating from the back of my head near the jaw muscles (like TMJ pain). After the injections, my head, ears, and upper arms don't hurt anymore.

The effects last 1-2 weeks, but after 24/7 pain, I'll take that. And each time the pain returns, it's much less than the time before. So maybe soon, I won't have to go anymore!

Hope you get feedback on the prolotherapy - although I really don't see all that much difference in the process. But hey, what do I know?

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solsearcher
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posted 27 April 2004 21:00     Click Here to See the Profile for solsearcher   Click Here to Email solsearcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tried prolotherapy back in 1999. I complained to the doctor about leg pain I've had since 1987. I went to the doctor because he has a VAX-D machine, and I thought I'd give that a try. I didn't know anything else about him. VAX-D didn't work by the way.

But the doctor was familiar with prolotherapy. I bought a book, read it, and decided to give it a try. Not only did it not work, but the doctor carelessly punctured my spinal canal. I missed two weeks of work due to spinal headaches. That was on top of my perennial tension/sinus headaches. The doctor never suggested prolo to eliminate my usual headaches.

This has nothing to do with prolo, but the doctor who treated me had his license suspended for a year soon after. It was a high-profile case that made national attention that caused him to lose his license. Turns out, he was the doctor who (mis)treated a patient who was a member of the Church of Scientology. She later died, and this doctor was implicated to a lesser degree. Interesting. I didn't know about the case until after I saw him.

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richtersl
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posted 28 April 2004 12:34     Click Here to See the Profile for richtersl   Click Here to Email richtersl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had prolotherapy injections earlier this year to treat a painful shoulder (combination of bursitis and tendinitis). I was AMAZED at how well they worked. I didn't notice much the first week but the changes that ensued in the following weeks were remarkable.

If I had to do it all over again, I would include a magnesium malate regimen along with that.

Upon finishing the prolotherapy shots and physical therapy, I still had pain in my shoulder, even though it was a lot more mobile than it had been. I resolved myself to having to live in some pain.

I had run out of magnesium glycinate and figured I'd just finish up a bottle of magnesium malate I had sitting around. I was taking around 800mg/day. In about a week, I noticed that I had no more pain in my shoulder. It had literally vanished. The only thing that changed was the type of magnesium I was taking. The type of pain I was experiencing isn't something that would just "vanish" on its own.

I don't know how that would work for 24/7 head pain, though. My injection was given right at the site of the pain...in my shoulder. I have no idea where they would inject you for head pain.

I went to an osteopath for my injections.

It's up to you if you want to try these shots, provided it's an appropriate therapy for chronic headaches. LymeToo gave you some great links to research this with.

Linda

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TheCrimeOfLyme
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posted 28 April 2004 13:49     Click Here to See the Profile for TheCrimeOfLyme   Click Here to Email TheCrimeOfLyme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow you nutcases, can't you answer her questions? Joking

JB_ yes, you can use it in the head

Yes, Dr. C does it.

Heck, by now Im sure you gave up and just called the office and asked.

You're all bad picking on me like that haha

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BJG
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posted 12 January 2005 02:05     Click Here to See the Profile for BJG   Click Here to Email BJG     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi
The doc who wrote the book is the doc that FINALLY diagnosed me with Lyme. God Bless him.
He is kind and informed.

He was educated on Lyme by Dr C.
He taught Dr C about prolothereapy.
I would encourage you to go to them.
They are in IL.
BJG

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Foggy
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posted 12 January 2005 10:44     Click Here to See the Profile for Foggy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by solsearcher:
I tried prolotherapy back in 1999. I complained to the doctor about leg pain I've had since 1987. I went to the doctor because he has a VAX-D machine, and I thought I'd give that a try. I didn't know anything else about him. VAX-D didn't work by the way.

Sol, did you have the VAX-D for back/disc pain? I've heard it's hit or miss and expsensive. I've also heard that Prolo may not work on pain from lumbar disc bulges.

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Lymetoo
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posted 12 January 2005 16:00     Click Here to See the Profile for Lymetoo   Click Here to Email Lymetoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dr C did my prolotherapy. He is very experienced in it. Yes, it can help head pain.

The book i read is Prolo Your Pain Away by Dr Ross Hauser. I think this is the person you are referring to, BJG...??

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GiGi
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posted 12 January 2005 17:45     Click Here to See the Profile for GiGi   Click Here to Email GiGi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/021510.html

You will note under the section "Treatment"
#3. the Cervicogenic Headache treatment described with procaine and proliferant, dextrose and glycerine mix, falls under
Prolotherapy. I have described it at length somewhere here on Lymenet a long time ago, what the purpose is for the using the proliferant, etc. When done for the right purpose and done well, it is great.

Neural Therapy is done usually with procaine only, or an added factor such as DMPS when the problems are metal related.

Take care.

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pab
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posted 12 January 2005 18:24     Click Here to See the Profile for pab   Click Here to Email pab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jake has 24/7 headaches and he is going to have prolotherapy at his next Dr. C appointment in March.


Dr. C patients - did you have a separate appointment for prolotherapy? His office said today to just tell him when we are there. We talked about it at Jake's last visit and he didn't have time to do it. I just want to be prepared.

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