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ladyhawk
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posted 15 December 2004 06:55     Click Here to See the Profile for ladyhawk   Click Here to Email ladyhawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am unfamiliar with all of the strains of Borrelia in Europe let alone the US but studies here (Slovakia) indicate 4 strains are most prevalent. I am infected with 2: garinii and afzelii.

I just began taking flucanazole a week ago and, as I posted, am also taking metronidazole and azith on a rotating basis. I started with Metron almost 4 weeks ago, 2+ weeks ago I added azith (every other day rotating with IV metron) and added the flucazole (100/daily) this week.

The first 2+ weeks were really tough but each day I am feeling better and the really strength of symptoms is slowly abating. I guess that when you feel like crap for so long any improvement is like a dream come true.

I do not think that there will be one simple answer for this illness but I am up for fighting with all weapons in my arsenal. I also have a physician who closely monitors what's happening with me and we adjust as needed.

I will take a break from infusions starting 22 dec for 7 days. I will see what happens then. In any case I do not believe this battle will be over for some time, we will see.

As bad as I feel sometimes (actually most times) I know that things could be far worse. I refuse to give up hope. One of my and my docs firmest beliefs is that I will get well and I intend to do so.

kindest regards to all and with hope that the new year will bring us all health and happiness,
ladyhawk

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hodologica
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posted 15 December 2004 09:56     Click Here to See the Profile for hodologica   Click Here to Email hodologica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Best wishes with your regime ladyhawk; good that it seems to be having effect. Your daily diflucan dose is short of that in the Schardt study, but I know at least one person who read the study and was spurred to try it at Schardt's 200 mg /d. I will encourage them to report when they finish the course.

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ladyhawk
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posted 15 December 2004 12:27     Click Here to See the Profile for ladyhawk   Click Here to Email ladyhawk     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The dose is low purposely, slow and steady is how the turtle won the race. My doc and I discuss/adjust as needed. Each of us is different so each will respond somewhat differently.

Good luck to you also!
best regards,
ladyhawk


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Originally posted by hodologica:
Best wishes with your regime ladyhawk; good that it seems to be having effect. Your daily diflucan dose is short of that in the Schardt study, but I know at least one person who read the study and was spurred to try it at Schardt's 200 mg /d. I will encourage them to report when they finish the course.

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micul
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posted 29 December 2004 01:26     Click Here to See the Profile for micul   Click Here to Email micul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For anyone interested in this protocol, I just found out that the 200 mg dose was taken as 100 mg 2 times a day.

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winsomme
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posted 29 December 2004 08:52     Click Here to See the Profile for winsomme   Click Here to Email winsomme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
is anybody trying this yet?

thanks
bill

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hodologica
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posted 02 January 2005 21:45     Click Here to See the Profile for hodologica   Click Here to Email hodologica     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Argh, I'm an idiot! In a previous post I mis-read and mis-quoted Schardt in a way that made it look like he was contradicting himself:

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These two adjacent sentences seem to contradict each other: "No previously publsihed data exists on efficacy of fluconazole agaisnt borrelia in vitro [CORRECTION: TEXT READS "IN VIVO"]. In vitro investigations failed to reveal a direct antibacterial effect of fluconazole on borrelia spp." They propose that the borreliacidal mechanism has to do with alteration of host metabolism and thus of host metabolites essential to borrelia.
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I apologize!

Now, I have just heard from a good source that Schardt has now used this tx on 60 lymies, with very good results. I am trying to find out more.

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micul
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posted 15 April 2005 18:48     Click Here to See the Profile for micul   Click Here to Email micul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brought up for bigmamma

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bigmamma
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posted 15 April 2005 19:08     Click Here to See the Profile for bigmamma     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by micul:
Brought up for bigmamma

AWESOME! Thanks, micul, I found it!!

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liz28
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posted 15 April 2005 19:31     Click Here to See the Profile for liz28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be great if this were helpful, and I look forward to reading others' experiences.

Unfortunately, I had a spooky experience with it. This is one of the excuses my fired ex-doctor used to avoid treating the co-infections. I was doing great on mepron, but every month he came up with an excuse to stop prescribing it--one month it was flagyl, the next it was diflucan. I'm currently doing quite well with a new doctor and proper treatment. The yeast is responding well to nystatin and coptis extract, which retails here for about $6 a bottle.

So if you take this road, please sure you've gotten rid of everything else first.

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Lymetoo
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posted 15 April 2005 19:36     Click Here to See the Profile for Lymetoo   Click Here to Email Lymetoo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diflucan works very well on yeast. Most people with Lyme have yeast.

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janet thomas
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posted 15 April 2005 20:05     Click Here to See the Profile for janet thomas   Click Here to Email janet thomas     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I pulse Ketek 4 days on, 3 off. I've been having a thrush problem so on my last 3 days off of ketek I took Diflucan 150 mg twice a day. It was like a big herx the entire 3 days. Stopped within 1 day off diflucan.

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bettyg
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posted 17 April 2005 16:46     Click Here to See the Profile for bettyg     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm on 200 mg daily of diflucan generic. Started every other day of 100 mg. Last month went daily to 200 mg daily. NO improvement.

My beginner LLMD stated this should help my "brain lyme". Anyone notice anything for them?

Bettyg., Iowa

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break the chains
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posted 17 April 2005 17:24     Click Here to See the Profile for break the chains   Click Here to Email break the chains     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heres an idea

since 50-80% or greater of us lyme patients have mycoplasmas whether we know it or not perhaps diflucan is going after the mycoplasma?
myco means fungi. mycoplasma has a fungal growth pattern.
i have heard just lately of veterans using lamisil for the mycoplasmas with sucess as well.
these are new potent anti-fungal meds. people having success curing lyme with difflucan is very interesting.

now i am seriously thinking about taking lamisil or difflucan to go after my 5 strains of mycoplasma.

[This message has been edited by break the chains (edited 17 April 2005).]

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Jellybelly
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posted 17 April 2005 17:47     Click Here to See the Profile for Jellybelly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is interesting because I have had yeast problems for years, severe. I had managed to get them under control until I started Minocycline a little over a year ago. I had been on a few rounds of other ABX for the 2 Mycos I have and had really been gaining ground along with the heparin. I had managed to slow my heart rate from 120 down to about 90, and I was probably in about 85% remission.

I wanted to gain that last 15% and had a few annoying symptoms like tinnitis and I swithced to Minocycline for a bit. The yeast flaired pretty bad. I asked my doc for something for the yeast. Can't remember what it was, but I took it for over a mnonth. Until right now, I never knew why, but I gained another 10% of my health back right then and there. Myabe it was the yeast med that had an effect on the Mycos and/or the Lyme. My heart rate dropped down to around 80. So this is a very interesting little piece of my puzzle. Thanks

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VEE VEE
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posted 17 April 2005 19:22     Click Here to See the Profile for VEE VEE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow,

What a great thread. I am glad this has come up right now.

My LLMD has me off of all antibiotics for one week. During this week I took my Fluconazole 100mg. I don't have any yeast issues but after 1 1/2 years of antibiotics I am sure I have some in my gut. I am very good about diet and no sugar.

Well, I took an extra week off before starting the fluconazole (due to circumstances beyond my control)

All I have to say is, I really have a lot of my lyme symptoms back. Physical ones, ringing in the ears, floaters, etc....and MY KNEES are ten times worse!!!!

My brain is not 100 %

Anyhow, I took my last fluconazole today and I start ceftin & mino tomorrow.

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liz28
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posted 17 April 2005 19:23     Click Here to See the Profile for liz28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

For herbal types, here's info from Dr. Zhang's site. He uses berberine in his coptin tablets. It is also found in goldenseal, grapeseed extract, and coptis chenisis. All of these help get rid of yeast quickly.


(Chemical name: Berberine, or Umbellatine):
Berberine is an active ingredient of Berberine chinensis and has a wide anti-infectious spectrum. It can strongly suppress gram positive and negative bacteria and can also suppress Mycobacterium tuberculosis and fungi. Its potency is roughly equal to or stronger than that of sulfanilamide and slightly weaker than that of streptomycin and chloramphenicol. It has strong bacteriocidal effects on spirochetes. It has anti-viral effects and can also suppress other pathogens, such as Ameba. Its toxicity is low and it is a safe herbal remedy, with virtually no side effects. Long-term use has not been seen causes any adverse reactions and there is no accumulative toxicity. Its molecular weight is 336.37 and it can penetrate the BBB. All these features made it a suitable remedy for LD.

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